Sloppy in Seattle

Posted: December 4th, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 81 Comments »

What an awful night.

The Eagles laid a major egg. The offense was anemic in the first half. They got better in the 2nd half, but still made crucial mistakes. The defense had no answers for Russell Wilson and his magic show. Doug Pederson and the coaches weren’t on their A-game. And it didn’t help that every close call seemed to go against the Eagles, some proving to be huge.

Other than that…

Some will want to say “The Eagles have been exposed!” I don’t think that is the case at all. The Eagles have been sloppy in some recent games, but were so much better than the competition that they got away with it. Not tonight.

The Eagles proved that they can’t play sloppy football and beat a good team.

Seattle played with an edge and their home field advantage was an issue for the Eagles. It seemed like the Eagles snapped the ball with :01 on the clock about half the game. That means Carson Wentz isn’t studying the defense. He’s focused on getting the ball and isn’t in an ideal frame of mind for finding the open receiver.

I don’t know if the Eagles were too amped up or what was going on. Lots of guys made mistakes. Jalen Mills forgot how to tackle. Alshon Jeffrey needlessly holds on a running play. Mychal Kendricks played his worst game of the year. Wentz missed some wide open receivers that could have led to TDs or huge plays. Big V struggled with Frank Clark. Jay Ajayi was sloppy. There were STs penalties on almost every 1st half return.

Mistake after mistake after mistake.

This wasn’t about talent. It wasn’t about gameplan. The Eagles played sloppy football.

All of that said…the Eagles were a few plays from being right there. If Carson Wentz doesn’t fumble at the goal line…if Wentz hits a wide open Agholor in the 1st quarter…those could both be TDs. If the officials didn’t let Wilson throw a forward pass 5 yards down the field, a TD drive by Seattle doesn’t happen. Of course, it might have helped if the Eagles challenged the call. Pederson and his advisers up in the booth failed on that one.

The Eagles got a huge slice of humble pie. The whole world had been kissing their ass for a while now. Seahawks players talked to the Eagles after every single play. It drove me nuts, but probably was good. When you get your nose shoved in poop, you remember it and don’t want that feeling again.

The Eagles can learn from this game. They faced a playoff team in a tough atmosphere. They failed. That isn’t a defining moment. It showed the Eagles what they need to do to win games like that. You can’t make mistakes and you have to make plays.

You also have to keep in mind that this wasn’t a good matchup. Wilson is used to bad blocking and dealing with pressure. He’s sometimes at his best when running around and doing insane things. That neutralized the Eagles pass rush to a certain extent. Even when they won and got pressure…they didn’t win. Wilson could spin out of it and throw the ball away or to someone for a key completion.

I hate watching Wilson. I can’t imagine how frustrating it must be to play against him.

The Eagles are still a good team. They are still going to win the NFC East. This loss can be a bump in the road if the players and coaches learn from it. They have to identify the mistakes and work to correct them. Doug Pederson said all the right things in his postgame press conference.

Now the players have to make those words mean something. They need a strong week of practice and a much better performance next Sunday.

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  • P_P_K

    This time next week — after Lane Johnson again proves he is the best RT in the NFL, and Agholor has his second straight 100yd game –the Eagles will be 11-2 and we’ll be discussing playoff scenarios

    • Guy Media

      When he’s not falling down on 3rd&short plays at the end of a half……..

      • Matt

        The field seemed be terrible. Lots of players slipping around.

  • Sean E

    Take care of business and we can make sure a rematch happens at the linc, not Seattle.

  • A_T_G

    I will need to look into it in the morning, but I think there are some past Super Bowl winners that lost a few regular season games. I’ll report back.

    • xeynon

      Will never forget the 2008 season, the last time Andy got a team to the NFC title game.

      We blew the doors off the Cardinals in a nationally televised game on Thanksgiving, totally outclassed them and beat them by four TDs. Thought that when we played them in the NFC title game we’d be sure to beat them again. Nope.

      Going 15-1 is really hard, people should probably get over the idea that this team is underachieving because they no longer have a chance to do so.

      • Matt

        That’s a good example. Its hard to beat a team twice. I feel we’d beat them again.

        And yes, its hard to 15-1, even harder to win 17 games in a row (what they would need to win the Super Bowl). Its hard to play your best every game. This happens, I’m not that worried.

  • droid3000

    doug coached scared tonight

    • Guy Media

      And dumb, but I expect him to get that corrected for next week.

  • Insomniac

    Trade a 4th for Josh Gordon. Alshon is not a #1 WR this season.

    • John Luck Pickerd

      Spoken like a true Negadelphian.

    • droid3000

      ive wanted gordon for a while but im sure the eagles wouldnt be interested. never really cared about alshon

    • xeynon

      No fucking way. Gordon is a head case who is one more badly timed joint away from a lifetime suspension.

      It wasn’t the receivers that cost us this game. We had guys get open, Wentz just didn’t hit them when the chances were there.

      • Insomniac

        I was only being half serious. The trade for Gordon meme will always live on through me but really we need someone to step it up at the opposite side of Alshon.

    • CrackSammich

      No.

      • Insomniac

        No.

        • CrackSammich

          No.

    • Someguy77

      No. Eagles could always use another WR threat but it wasn’t remotely on the list of reasons why they lost tonight.

      Much bigger issues on this team given impending FA this offseason too.

      • dillinja

        what impending FA? I think we only have two starters out of contract, although losing Bradham would be a loss.

    • Buge Halls

      Jefferey just singed a 4 year contract – with guaranteed money – yeah, let’s cut him!

  • John Luck Pickerd

    The Eagles just did not show half the intensity that the Seahawks did, and made far too many dumb mistakes. The obvious turning point was Wentz’s decision to try and go for the endzone instead of doing the smart thing and going down right away. This game shows you the bad perks of having Wentz because of his tenacity and aggressive decision making (ala Favre) and the loss falls on him as much as anyone else in the game. The team needed to play way better, but they just fell behind and never got in rhythm. Onto LA.

    • dillinja

      The goal line fumble was absolutely the turning point of the game. I thought Wentz and the team played OK, but lacked edge/intensity that, as you say, the Seahawks had. Eagles have really struggled playing in Seattle in the last 10 years, seems like we always don’t play that well there.

      • xeynon

        Yup, if we score there it’s a 10-10 game and we have all the momentum.

        The hope is Wentz learns from that – you can’t put the ball at needless risk in a high leverage situation like that.

      • John Luck Pickerd

        Eagles are 1-6 against Seattle since 2005.

        • dillinja

          I didn’t know it was that bad – but we’ve played some awful games against them since 2010.

          • John Luck Pickerd

            Last year was quite similar to tonight’s game too. Tight game for most of it, but dumb mistakes, penalties, and inexperience in hostile HFA environments like that killed us the same way.

          • dillinja

            I think this was close tbh. Last year we were down by three scores until some garbage time tds.

    • Guy Media

      “The Eagles just did not show half the intensity that the Seahawks did, and made far too many dumb mistakes.”

      Yup, that was the game in a nutshell. Really disgusted with the lack of effort, but I think they’ll get it turned around.

      • Matt

        That’s also probably due to the “king of the hill” affect- everybody wants to knock of the best team. Plus Seattle REALLY needed this game to keep pace in the playoff hunt.

  • xeynon

    Well said Tommy.

    This was a disappointing result, but it’s hardly a disaster. Seattle matches up well with us, they were extremely motivated tonight, and CenturyLink is still a very tough place to play.

    We had opportunities, we just didn’t make the critical plays. Gotta learn from it and move on. Next week is the biggest game of our season.

    • Eagles_Fan_in_San_Fran

      “Next week is the biggest game of our season.”
      Indeed. Lose that and then I’ll start to get worried, but until then, hey, we weren’t going to go 15-1, after all.

      • xeynon

        Lose that and I think we need to dial back the expectations from “Super Bowl contender” to “probably still a year or two away”.

        Which, in the big picture, is still ahead of where I thought they’d be this season. I believed 10-6 and a playoff berth was a reasonable goal and that looks like our floor right now.

  • Eagles_Fan_in_San_Fran

    This just proves two things:
    1) The 2 places you don’t want to play at in the playoffs (or in a playoff-type atmosphere like tonight) are Seattle and New England.
    2) The 2 QBs you most don’t want to play against in the playoffs are Brady and Wilson.
    Now as pointed out below, just take care of business and at least if we see SEA in the playoffs, it’ll be at the Linc (and at this point, I’d actually love to see that happen, so we can exact some revenge here).

    • xeynon

      I actually disagree with you about New England/Brady.

      Firstly, New England is not as fearsome a place to play in a playoff game as you imply (the Mark Sanchez-led Jets won a playoff game there, as have the Ravens on multiple occasions).

      Secondly Brady, while great, is not nearly as bad a matchup for our defense as Wilson is. Our pass D succeeds by getting after the quarterback with the front four and forcing quick throws which compensate for the limitations of our game-but-physically limited cornerbacks. A guy who can scramble around like Tarkenton until somebody pops open, like Wilson, is a much bigger threat to that sort of defense than a guy who relies on precision and timing like Brady. Our defense is quite similar to the Giants defenses that twice beat him in the Super Bowl.

      • dillinja

        Very good observation.

  • Nailed It!

    I can’t describe how that game felt from the stands. Just brutal.

    • SteveH

      oh I can imagine. I’ve never come so close to throwing something in anger in my life I think as when Doug didn’t challenge that forward pass in the 4th quarter. Just a backbreaking mistake at a crucial moment in the game.

      • ColorSgt

        I think if that first challenge was reversed like it should have been, Doug would have challenged the forward pass. Since everthing seemed to be going against the Eagles, he probably figured if it was close, that call would too. Then they would lose a timeout and be out of challenges. I still think he should have challenged it.

        • SteveH

          Of course he should have, there was a clear angle of the ball going forward at least a yard. There was a replay on the network feed before the ball was snapped again that showed the ball moving forward, even if you couldn’t see exactly how far forward.

          Furthermore, after winning the challenge it would have given the ball right back to our suddenly hot offense, who wouldn’t have been down 2 scores and would have had plenty of time to work with. Hell we even could have punted instead of having to go for it on 4th down!

          Bill Belichick, and bless his soul because I hate his cheating guts, is right when he talks about critical moments in games. I remember reading about how he would have his team watch footage of Tiger Woods when Tiger Woods was clutch, and emphasize how it’s necessary to make the play at the critical juncture if you want to be a champion. Well, right here, tonight, Doug failed to make the critical call, even though it was a layup.

          • Spooonius

            I’m very much in Doug’s corner, but from where I’m sitting he seemed very hesitant in this game. On the bright side, this is a relatively harmless way to learn some necessary lessons. Seattle played with an edge, like a championship team while the Eagles looked confused and overwhelmed at times. I felt like I could see it in Carson’s eyes from the very beginning. Still, I don’t see a rematch with the Hawks going the same way. Maybe it’s just my Roseman colored glasses.

          • SteveH

            I’m a big Doug fan right up until he failed to challenge that call. I could even forgive the poor first half plan because as usual he switched up to something that worked better in the 2nd half.

            I can’t blame Doug for Carson looking like shit at times. That’s just a young QB being a young QB. At least I hope that’s what it is, and not the beginning of a worrying trend of failing to perform in big games.

      • Mark Miller

        That play was not reviewable. Only 12 men on field is reviewable for penalty calls. That said it was a close play and they could have asked to review it…

    • Guy Media

      Hopefully you didn’t puke all over yourself watching that horrible “effort.”

  • anon

    Let’s not forget, no Sherman, no chancellor, no Jeremy lane. Alshon mde Maxwell look good tonight

    • SteveH

      Maxwell is the right matchup for Alshon though. Maxwell may suck ass against athletic guys but he is big and strong, which is what Alshon is. He got burned twice by Agholor, no surprise there.

    • or____

      No Peters, Sproles, Hicks, Sidney Jones…

  • CrackSammich

    I guess I’m just in a bad mood for an unknown reason, but the product the NFL puts out is just abysmal. There were at least 4 times there was a huge or controversial play where instead of showing a replay, they’d watch Wilson walk in circles behind the play or slam cut to commercial. Commercial, commercial, commercial. Refs basically playing fast and loose with the rules all night in both directions, missing calls and applying different standards on different plays. Just awful viewing. I can’t imagine how boring this is in person these days.

  • SteveH

    I didn’t really feel like Wilson was all that amazing tonight. He had basically 2 good throws the whole time, one was a dime to Jimmy Graham in the end zone which was just a great play, the other was the one he heaved up to Doug Baldwin, I put on Schwartz for thinking it’s a good idea to 0 blitz Wilson. Seattle’s OL is garbage and can barely block a 4 man rush, if you want to blitz him send 1 extra guy and cover. Fuck. Wilson is the most equipped QB in the league to deal with a 0 blitz.

    I thought our corners/safeties/linebackers had shit games though. There was a period in the middle of the game where we could not fucking stop holding people, it was fucking ridiculous. Bradham got abused in coverage a bunch, Kendricks got beaten soundly on the last TD, Darby had bad coverage a few times, no one seemed to be able to stick with anyone on the crossing routes, Mcleod bit hard on Baldwin’s inside move on his long catch, Malcom Jenkins was mostly a nonfactor aside from being posterized by Graham.

    Ironically the best coverage we had all night was when Darby got flagged for that bogus pass interference call.

    We also had some seriously shit tackling in the 2nd half, in particular on that 21 yard run by whoever the fuck their running back was. Like 3 people had garbage tackle attempts.

    As bad as Wentz was tonight, he threw for 120 more yards than Wilson did, and his interception didn’t come until the desperation heave at the 2 minute warning.

    He did fuck up with the goal line fumble though.

    Nice job talking smack this week Blount, you had a shit game running the ball too.

    Almost everyone had a hand in this loss. Agholor, Torrey Smith, Trey Burton, Brandon Graham, Derek Barnett and 4/5ths of the offensive line are the people I can think of who played well, just about everyone else had a hand in this thing.

    • xeynon

      Can’t agree with you. Wilson was phenomenal in this game. He’s playing behind a terrible line, with mediocre backs, and receivers who are only decent, he’s running for his life on almost every pass play, and he’s still carrying that offense.

      Sub in literally any other QB in the league other than Rodgers and I think the Eagles win that game, mistakes or no. Wilson was the main reason we lost.

      • SteveH

        If he wasn’t such a good scrambler the Seahawks line wouldn’t be so shit. They don’t care that their line is shit because they know how elusive Wilson is, and lots of times great things happen when he’s running around.

        That didn’t really happen tonight though, all his best plays came from traditional pocket passing.

        He did escape pressure a few times but didn’t really do anything that amazing with it (aside from the bullshit forward lateral which shouldn’t have counted). He also got creamed a few times and got away with what should have been an early interception when he threw into the middle of 4 Eagles.

        He had a decent night stats wise, and I’ll give him props for that great throw to Graham, but otherwise he was good but not great.

        The TD tosses to Richardson and the RB were both throws to wide open players, you don’t have to be a MVP to make those throws (looking at you Carson).

        Phenomenal though? I’ve seen Wilson play phenomenal and this wasn’t it.

        • xeynon

          He put up a 118.3 QB rating despite being under constant pressure. I’d say that’s pretty damn good.

          It wasn’t so much the positive plays that he made by scrambling that killed us, it was the negative plays he avoided by doing so. Several times he got away from what would’ve been sacks with a less mobile QB in his place and threw the ball away. That kept the Seahawks out of third and long situations several times. He also drew at least two penalties by scrambling until our defensive backs lost coverage and held somebody.

          It was a really outstanding performance and as I said I think Rodgers is the only other guy in the league who beats us in that game.

          • SteveH

            He does that every game though, that’s what he does. He didn’t have anything that was above and beyond an average performance last night, if anything I thought we did a pretty good job on him outside of that boneheaded 0 blitz. This wasn’t like his last second march against the Texans or any other equally awe inspiring performance, he hit guys running wide open at times, he made that awesome throw to Graham, and the rest was just our ineptitude on offense.

  • Someguy77

    Tough loss but hopefully Wentz and Pedeson both learn from it.

    Need to win next week. NFC is quietly very good this year and don’t want to possibly play Seattle in the first round at the Linc.

    • xeynon

      I think we could beat Seattle in the WC round at the Link. They’re not nearly as formidable away from home.

      That said, it’d be no guarantee, and we’re really better off avoiding the WC game altogether if we can.

    • BlindChow

      What do you mean, “quietly”?

      There are a ton of NFC teams with great records, and the AFC is filled with a bunch of 6-6 teams duking it out for playoff spots. That’s not “quiet.” That’s “obvious.”

      Don’t mean to pick on you specifically, but I’ve been seeing adjectives like “sneaky” and “low-key” tossed around so often they’ve become meaningless. I guess your “quietly” triggered me…

  • Someguy77

    For a guy supposedly dealing with a meaningful hamstring injury, Wagner was all over the place tonight.

    Eagles have been able to overcome their injuries all year so but tonight missing Peters and Sproles seemed to loom pretty large at times.

    • SteveH

      I had a laugh when we tried that draw play with Clement and Wagner hunted it down like a polar bear tracking a seal club. Probably not the greatest plan, have your running back outrun Bobby Wagner to the edge.

  • SteveH

    Hats off to Brandon Graham for 1.5 sacks tonight. At least someone on the defense remembered it was a big game.

  • Frencheaglesfan

    I know it’s easy complaining about a nfl play while watching from your couch but the Football IQ of Torrey Smith on the Fumble is pretty gruesome.

    • CrackSammich

      Second time this year he did that.

      • Frencheaglesfan

        I don’t know the guy and he may look like it but isn’t a la T-mac but he seems to me like he doesn’t play with the same mentality as Wentz, Jenkins, Mills, Graham,…

  • Frencheaglesfan

    I despise the Seahawks so much for being so Dirty on every play. Wentz late hit of course but watch as well the zero blitz play on Baldwin TD, Jenkins is taken out of the play fast but get a huge blow in the back. Hate them.

  • Frencheaglesfan
  • Frencheaglesfan

    Last thing, we talk a lot about the forward pass and the Doug let down for not challenging the call but what about the HUUUUUUUGE Missed Tackle by Chris Long seconds before that. Smh

  • Masked Man

    If there was a handful of plays going the other way, this score could be reversed.

    But the Eagles weren’t sharp. That team in that loud stadium puts a lot of pressure on a visiting team. And they were up for the game.

    Hopefully we never see them again this year, or at least get to bring them to the Linc.

  • Ankerstjernen

    Im just chiming in to give Tommy credit for the headline of todays post. Solid work, Tommy.

  • Guy Media

    “Some will want to say “The Eagles have been exposed!” I don’t think that is the case at all. The Eagles have been sloppy in some recent games, but were so much better than the competition that they got away with it. Not tonight.”

    I couldn’t agree more. I’m not really panicked about any long term problems with the team in full, but good lord was that a gutless, lazy, un-focused, and generally putrid game. The entire group of dudes didn’t really care enough about winning a game to get out there and execute properly. Losing to Seattle over and over again didn’t seem to properly motivate this team to get revenge. I don’t think I can use gutless and soft enough times over as it applies to that game vs. a team that just got worn out by Washington.

    But……………
    – I had @ Seattle down as a loss to start the year anyway
    – Going 15-1 is an extremely rare accomplishment
    – after this next Sunday, the Vikings have a few games they could lose
    – I trust the team to bounce back with full effort for the balance of the regular season and close it out 4-0

    It just sucks to have seen them lose a game that should have been a major statement win due to a myriad of factors under their own control.

  • Buge Halls

    The defense held up their end of the game for most of it. Many huge failures on the offense. Also, I see the Seahawks defense is still allowed to hold whenever they want!

  • Corry

    I’ll be worried if the Birds look awful against the Rams. Losing games happens and I think ultimately the team should be better for this loss.

  • Frencheaglesfan

    At least this game showed that Russel Wilson is arguably top 3 surely top 5 QB. This guy destroyed our secondary.

    • Dave

      He was on last night. Watch him in other games and he doesn’t look like anything special. He feasted on Kendricks and our secondary being able to play man coverage.

      • Frencheaglesfan

        He is with Brees the only other QB I don’t want to face in the NFC Race (if rodgers doesn’t come back of course). He is like Carson a relentless worker, he never quits. Sure he lives on the big play and can make mistakes but he is so smart and keeps on making huge plays. If you look at his stats it doesn’t look like he was just ballin’ yesterday, this guy is definitely in the MVP race and imo if it ended today he would get my vote.

        • Frencheaglesfan

          RW
          62.4
          3,256
          26
          8
          96.9

          CW
          60.7
          3,005
          29
          6
          102.0

          And I would definitely keep our weapons over his.

          • gomer_rs

            RW also has 400 yards rushing and 3 rushing TDs

  • or____

    As long as Ertz is healthy going into next week, I’m confident and feeling fine. Superbowl talk prior to the playoffs starting is silly anyway. I think the Rams D (who performed really well for me in fantasy this week while I benched the Birds), is very good but they might be without their stud – some dude named Barwin…

  • Dave

    What was most upsetting watching the game was how Wentz still throws the ball to Ags and Torrey when the are covered. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen either play win a 50/50 ball.

    It’s maddening that Wentz goes on long streaks of avoiding Alshon and Ertz, his 2 best pass catchers.

    I would have preferred Wentz throw 3 interceptions and be aggressive than the passive play he seems to have in the first half of games this year.

  • Stephen E.

    I also liked the non-call when Barner was hit on a fair catch. I guess you have to flop for the officials to notice.

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