The Backup Plan

Posted: December 14th, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 143 Comments »

Nick Foles is the new starter. Everyone knows that and has 1000 percent complete faith he will play at an elite level for the next couple of months. Right?

But what happens if Foles gets hurt? Your backup is…Nate Sudfeld.

I’m sure Sudfeld is a terrific person. I bet you would enjoy chugging some PBRs and listening to Three Sides Live by Genesis with him. Or maybe discussing the role of Admiral Nelson in the Battle of Copenhagen. That’s all well and good, but the real question is whether Sudfeld can be a functional NFL QB.

He has never thrown a pass in an NFL game. That means he is about as raw as you can get. Sudfeld has been with the Eagles since cutdown day, when the Skins let him go. The Eagles put him on the practice squad for about half the season. The Colts talked about adding Sudfeld to their roster, but the Eagles ended that idea by adding him to their active roster.

The Eagles coaches say they like Sudfeld and see him as a player to develop.

I was not a fan of Sudfeld’s when he came out of Indiana. His highlights were good, but I saw a player who was just too inconsistent for me. He does remind me of Nick Foles. Both are big pocket passers with some mobility. Sudfeld has the better arm. I might not be the only one who sees Sudfeld and Foles as similar. For those who don’t remember, Doug Pederson was the Eagles coach who worked Nick Foles out prior to the 2012 draft and who really liked him.

Sudfeld did play in the last two preseasons. He played the entire preseason finale for the Skins this summer, going 22-33-228 and leading them to a dominant crappy 13-10 win over the ’85 Bears crappy Bucs.

Here are some preseason highlights.

Here is a good game of his from his days at Indiana.

There is no question that Sudfeld has some talent. He makes some impressive throws. He puts good touch on his passes and gives his receivers a chance to make a play. You want a guy who throws a catchable ball. I think his skill set fits the Eagles offense. I think Sudfeld could develop into a solid backup.

My concern for now is relying on him in such crucial games. If Foles stays healthy, who cares. But what if Foles does get hurt? Man, you’d have no idea what to expect from Sudfeld.

It would be great if the Eagles could get Sudfeld some reps somewhere in the next three weeks. Build a big lead on Sunday or against the Raiders and see what the kid can do. Just let him get a feel for the speed of the NFL game. You could argue that the Eagles could let him start a game if they clinch homefield advantage. There is risk in that, as Jimmy Bama points out. You don’t want to take away from the Eagles momentum heading into the playoffs. Foles also needs all the reps he can get.

If the Eagles are up 31-10 or 27-9 or something like that with less than 10 minutes left on Sunday, I’d put Sudfeld in. You need a three-possession lead in the 4th quarter. If the Eagles somehow have a huge lead, definitely put him in. The Eagles should win on Sunday, but with Foles at QB you just don’t know how much the Eagles will score.

The Eagles could add a veteran QB, but there just aren’t good options at this time of the year. Matt McGloin played for the team this summer, but he was awful. RG III is on the market, but hasn’t played in a while. Colin Kaepernick is healthy, talented and has Super Bowl experience. But he’s also sat for a while and would bring all kinds of attention to the team. Some of you would object to Kap for political reasons. I would tell you to put that argument on hold, go look at the Eagles trophy case and then get back to me.

I want this team to do whatever they feels improves their chances of getting to and winning the Super Bowl. Go sign Tony Romo, Troy Aikman or friggin’ Benedict Arnold. Do what it takes to win.

The counter argument is that Sudfeld has been here all year and knows the system. Adding a talented veteran who doesn’t know the system and is rusty is hardly an ideal option. It takes time to get into football shape and have any kind of timing. This is mid-December. There isn’t much time to spare.

There is one angle to this that I do like. Pederson has preached Next Man Up all year. He’s shown confidence in the backups and they have mostly played well when given the chance to help. Sticking with Sudfeld means sticking with the philosophy and there is something to be said for that. This team has great chemistry from top to bottom, in part because every player feels like they contribute.

Hopefully Sudfeld’s contribution will be kneel-downs in blowout wins.

*****

Stefen Wisniewski was limited in practice today. That’s better than nothing, but still makes you nervous for Sunday. Jason Kelce had an interesting mishap. Go read Les Bowen’s practice notes for the details and a funny Carson Wentz story.

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  • Ark87

    Tommy, not sure if it was a joke or reference of some sort. But if you are a history buff and you made a second website to occasionally write for, would be my second favorite place on the internet (second only to iggleblitz).

    As for sudfeld, they need to either get the backup now, or roll with Sudfeld hell or high water. Waiting for Foles to get hurt then getting someone off the couch would be terrible malpractice. I’m ok with sticking with Sudfeld as long as they do their due diligence kicking the tires out there, and make a lot of called to see if there is a better option to be had. If they come up empty, so be it.

    • BlindChow

      If they really do think Sudfeld can handle it (and aren’t just saying that because they don’t want to hurt his precious little feelings), then I’m okay with rolling with him.

      After all, the Eagles did give up a roster spot for him when another team came calling. Clearly the staff didn’t want to lose him. (I mean, they didn’t give one up for Bryce Treggs (hey welcome back!)…)

  • Dave

    In 2013, I was very high on Foles. The one thing I can’t shake is the game against Dallas that year. He was 11-29 for 80 yards.

    I kept waiting for the coaches to say he had a concussion or something wrong with his head. He looked completely lost that day.

    Obviously he turned it around as the next game was the 7 TD HOF performance against the Raiders.

    I’m curious to see if he connects with the deep pass, which was something Carson really hasn’t done this year with the exception of his connection with Mack Hollins. Nick was definitely not afraid to sling it deep, granted it was made much easier having a young DeSean.

  • Insomniac

    I hope Foles is just a good game manager. Let the guys make plays for him and don’t force him to make plays. That being said, if Wis ain’t playing then Sudfeld is probably likely to be starting at some point this season.

    Thus, my scale of disappointment and self loathing for our QB situation via alcohol comparisons.

    Wentz – The usual rotation of beer is ok with me. Maybe a cocktail on a blowout day.

    Foles – Broke out the whiskey and not even the good kind.

    Sudfeld – Never wanted to try anything harder than whiskey but absinthe sounds good about now.

    • Guy Media

      AMEN on the game manager aspect. The O-line needs to dominate on the run, the special teams needs to tackle dude and not allow any returns, and the D needs to shut teams down. The job of Foles should be to complete enough key passes to win the game vs. teams that have no business beating us (Giants, Raiders) or beating us in our building (Divisional round opposition, NFC Championship round opposition).

  • DustyRyder71

    Three Sides Live would be pretty cool, but Nate would have a fan for life in me if he broke out Seconds Out instead.

    And if I could trade in that PBR for a Ballast Point Victory at Sea, we’d be all set.

    • ChoTime

      Given my experience with Genesis in the 80s, I think I’d rather listen to Two Live Crew with a good Sculpin or Big Eye.

    • D Smith

      Seconds Out and both of the The Way We walk albums, hell yea!

  • SteveH

    It’s gotta be Kap if Foles goes down. There’s no way we’re entrusting the rest of our season to Nate Sudfeld or Matt McGloin.

    Of course it was Chance Warmack who stepped on Kelce. Who else? Dude is more hazard than help to the team at this point.

    • Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard

      ugh

    • Guy Media

      Nope. We don’t play that type of grabasstic read one and run bullshit here. No thanks on Kaep.

      • Crus57

        Only thing QB-wise that makes me look favourably on Kaep is that he is mobile enough to deal with a leaky OL, if we have to play a game of Chance.

        • Guy Media

          But that mobility is overlapped by inaccuracy, poor decision making, and making progression reads.

          • or____

            Mike Vick had success…

    • D Smith

      Omg. So tired of hearing about Colon Krapernick. He doesn’t know the playbook. Has no rhythm with receivers. As well as taking snaps from Kelce and hand-offs to our backs. All of that takes time. He hasn’t played in almost two full seasons. Krapernick makes no sense for the Eagles.

      • CrackSammich

        I’m glad that you found the most mature way to phrase your criticisms.

  • kajomo

    I’m not optimistic that Foles can get the job done in the playoffs, but if he goes down we have no shot. Better to just stick with Sudfeld and show you have faith in the guys on your roster.

    • P_P_K

      And start looking to next year.

  • 这样精彩的博客越来越少咯!

  • Someguy77

    At this point, if Foles goes down Doug P. may as well suit up at half-time

    • teltschikfakeout88

      Reich would be the backup…

  • Ian no. 2

    +1 on signing Kap.

    Don’t think it will happen as has been reported to CBS, and Lurie essentially went negative on Kap during his “I signed Vick” speech, citing a diss on ‘first responders.’ Kap explained that he had uncles and friends that were cops and that many have the right intentions, which, granted, was not the apology that some would ask for, but for Lurie doing time for animal abuse agrees with his paternalism more than exercising one’s first amendment rights. And of course, what does Vick have to do with Kaepernick? Lurie – Jenkins – Kap is another angle. But I agree circumstantially with those that say it’s not one owner, but the league that has blackballed him. The Packers don’t have an owner and they didn’t sign Kap when they needed him.

    • Guy Media

      -1 on signing Kaep; he doesn’t play the game properly.

      • kevinlied

        I feel like that’s a valid argument for why you don’t sign Kaep to start over Foles. Less compelling when the options are Kaep and Nate Sudfeld.

        • Guy Media

          Kaep would be so far outside of any type of structure, I can’t see any reason to have him.

          • kevinlied

            I hear you. I think if a quarterback falls below a certain line of competence, I’d rather have Kaep improvising than that dude operating within a structure. I’m not sure where exactly that line is, but I fear Sudfeld is comfortably beneath it.

          • Ark87

            true, but at the same time, if the o-line is beat up, running the ball a ton with a smattering of sandlot can be just enough if the defense can get it together. Wentz did a lot of his damage outside the structure after all.

            He’s limited for sure, even with offseason prep. But if they like him more than Sudafed, I’m on board I guess. If we’re on our 3rd QB, then I’m in full on F-it mode. Knock yourselves out, whatever miracle we’re praying for, I’ll pray for it too.

        • kajomo

          Please tell us everything you know about Nate Sudfeld. Strengths, weaknesses, what he excels on at practice. How can you possibly say Kaep is a better option then Sufeld? We as fans just don’t know.

          What we do know is that Kaep was figured out. He locks on to WRs or runs if his first read isn’t there. He is easy for good defenses to defend.

          If Foles goes down we likely don’t have a viable replacement, but give me the guy we don’t know about and has been practicing in the offense for months over the guy we know isn’t good enough and has never played in this offense.

          • kevinlied

            What you say regarding the mystique surrounding QBs who haven’t played is undoubtedly true. We don’t know. But by the same logic, we can’t say for sure that Matt Ryan is a better option than Sudfeld. Look, if the coaching staff feels like Sudfeld is the quality of a top-40ish NFL quarterback, cool. Is there a good argument that Kaep, warts and all, is not of that level?

          • kajomo

            QB is tricky. Athletically you look at him and say he has better tools than even half the starting QBs in the league. But his inconsistency, his unavability to work through progressions, etc. impacts th rest of the team. Wentz made everyone else around him better. Foles and Sudfeld won’t do that. Kaep often makes his teammates jobs harder. He is not a good fit for this system, so not a good fit for this team. I do think he deserves a job somewhere, but not this eagles team.

          • Ian no. 2

            It is not easy to defend a running quarterback with an 88.9 career passing rating. There are a lot of professional columns nitpicking Kap and they are deceptive junk.

          • FairOaks

            Have to admit, I didn’t pay a lot of attention to his stats last year. They were fairly decent, on a horrid team. The year before he was awful though, which is when I thought he was basically done. Of course that was with Chip, whose offense can inflate QB numbers some.

    • Julescat

      Kap is a mediocre QB who happens to be a locker room cancer and would drive away the team’s fans. why no mention of Johnny Football?

      that would make as much sense as Kap

      • xeynon

        Kaepernick may be the center of a media circus if he signs somewhere, but he’s not a “locker room cancer”. His teammates in SF spoke highly of him and he’s deeply respected around the league for his willingness to take a stand on issues important to him from everything I’ve heard. I understand the preference not to sign him but let’s be fair here.

        • Julescat

          the locker room cancer would be the endless “look at me” controversies the rest of the team would have to answer for.

          Don’t forget the pig socks, as well as the t-shirt insulting Cubans worn in Florida.

          • Ian no. 2

            He didn’t insult Cubans. Writing for people who can be easily fooled insults people’s intelligence.

          • xeynon

            His former teammates have no problem with him. His protests were a big story last season when he was still playing and nobody complained about it.

            And I hardly think you can accuse him of a “look at me” mentality. He didn’t even talk about the anthem protest until a reporter noticed it and asked him about it, and since he’s been out of the league all he’s done is gone around and give his own money and time to advance causes he cares about – he hasn’t even given interviews.

            You’re free to dislike the guy’s politics, but to call him a locker room cancer is unfair. The people in the best position to judge that are his teammates, and none of them have had any problem with him.

      • Ian no. 2

        Kaepernick has a career 87.3 passer rating in the playoffs and has taken his team to two NFC championship games.

        There is not a single instance of a player saying that he has a negative effect on locker room culture. A former Eagle coach I will not name vouched that he was a positive influence in the locker room last year, a year in which he posted a 90.7 passer rating despite being thrown in to a dysfunctional offense in mid-season.

        • Julescat

          SF paid extra money to void the last year of Kap’s deal

          actions speak louder than words

          • Ian no. 2

            No, they didn’t pay ‘extra money.’ Kap voided the contract, which the Niners were probably going to void later instead of paying him over 16 million. And you neglect to mention the fact that several owners are openly advocating a boycott of Kaepernick and there is currently a respected attorney filing a lawsuit suggesting such a league-wide boycott.

  • Dan in Philly

    If the Eagles lose by 10-6 or something like that this town will freak.

  • Jack Waggoner

    It’s like with Tebow, you don’t want to bring the circus to town. Now if Foles gets hurt maybe you sign Kap at that point rather than use the kid.

    • Guy Media

      I think the circus aspect is overrated, but Kaep( much like Tebow) doesn’t play the game the right way. FAR too much read one and run / not enough staying in the pocket and making progression reads.

  • Fufina

    If we are ever in a situation where we are having to play our 3rd QB we are screwed. We will need to have the good version of Foles to make any progress in the playoffs, and if Foles gets injured we are not going anywhere. There is no-one who is going to make a difference with this little time to learn the scheme and people like RG3 and Kaep have never played in a west coast, so you would need to rip up the entire playbook and try and implement something specifically for them, and there will be no time to even attempt that if Foles gets injured.

    We also have almost no cap room this year left, and need every cent to roll over to next year, so i would be shocked if we signed any QB to anything more than a vet minimum deal (which would not add anything to our cap for 2017).

    If Foles gets injured, then its just not our year. There is no point trying to plan for the scenario where he gets hurt more than 1-2 snaps, because as soon as that happens it is all over anyway.

    • P_P_K

      An inconvenient truth.

  • Guy Media

    “The counter argument is that Sudfeld has been here all year and knows the system. Adding a talented veteran who doesn’t know the system and is rusty is hardly an ideal option. It takes time to get into football shape and have any kind of timing. This is mid-December. There isn’t much time to spare.”

    Correct! And where are we going to get another pocket passer at this time of year?

  • xeynon

    The only free agent QB I consider signing at this point is Romo – while neither he, Kaep, nor RG3 has ever played in our scheme, Romo had the longest career and has played in offenses more similar to ours than the read option offenses Kaep and Griffin have run. I defer to the coaches’ judgment though – if they think Sudfeld is he best option as a backup, we go with him. I tend to think we’re in Raiders-with-Connor-Cook territory regardless if Foles goes down. Neither a practiced third stringer nor a rusty and system-unaccustomed experienced starter is winning us the ‘ship.

    Ideally, the Eagles blow out the Giants and Raiders so Sudfeld can get some second have snaps against live bullets. As for the season finale, assuming we’ve clinched HFA I 100% think we rest the starters there. Normally I can see the argument there, but we have too many critical players we can’t afford to lose – not only Foles but also Johnson (heck every starter on our OL), Cox, Bradham, Kendricks, Jenkins, etc. We had great depth at the beginning of the season, at several positions we don’t know, so we have to be appropriately cautious. The risk that they’ll get rusty with an extra week off seems like a lesser concern to me than the risk that one of them gets hurt and we’re suddenly starting a replacement level player in the playoffs.

    • Guy Media

      I’d love to see a ton of Sudfeld in a game vs. Dallas that only exists to have the fans taunt Elliot for being a all-pro of domestic violence and lying.

    • or____

      Why are people even talking about a retired player as a free agent? And doesn’t Dallas still own his rights?

      • wee2424

        No, he was released.

    • teltschikfakeout88

      Romo…looks to have put on some lbs on tv..not so sure he is in shape to play…

  • HawaiianEagle

    “OH, THAT’S GREAT. TWEETER YOU TAKE THE SNAPS!”

  • Philadelphian

    I know this is wishful thinking, but could Matt McGloin be another Patrick Robinson?

    As much as I hate to say it, bringing in McGloin is the only move that makes sense at backup. If nothing else he knows the Eagles system. If the Eagles are down to Sudfeld and he falters there’s nothing to lose in trying McGloin.

    • or____

      No. PRob demonstrated decent success, in real NFL games prior to coming here. McGloin, uh, no.

    • xeynon

      Patrick Robinson came into the league as a #1 pick, so we know he at least has the raw talent to thrive under the right circumstances. McGloin was an UDFA, and not the kind who’s demonstrated during his NFL career that the scouts misjudged his talent level. It is indeed wishful thinking.

      • Philadelphian

        During training camp, no one including McGloin was considered more of a liability than Robinson.

        I’m not claiming McGloin is a savior because he stinks, but if Foles gets a minor injury in a game that forces him out of a game it makes more sense to bring someone in that knows the system.

        • xeynon

          That may be true, but if Foles gets hurt I don’t know that we’re any less screwed with McGloin than we would be with Sudfeld.

          • Philadelphian

            Let’s face it either way we are in trouble. However, in the short-term, Foles is only out for the remainder of a particular game, I think you have a better shot with McGloin. It’s not that I think McGloin is better than Sudfeld, which he’s not, but at least he has some experience.

            I think what we need to remember is how a defense game plans for a particular QB and then sometimes has a difficult time adjusting to someone else. What better example than Mark Sanchez who looked like a world beater in relief, but than got exposed the following week.

          • Philadelphian

            Let’s hope Foles stays healthy.

    • kajomo

      No

    • wee2424

      You did watch him this past offseason correct?

      • Philadelphian

        Yes, and I also watched Robinson.

        • wee2424

          There is also a stark difference between playing QB and CB. Robinson has also played nickel CB at a very high level in the past.

          McGloin has never played the position at a high level, and lacks the physical ability for his position that Robinson does posses for his position. Keep in mind that Robinson was a very high draft pick for a reason.

          • Philadelphian

            I think you need to keep in mind that we are talking about a short run solution. In other words, if Foles goes down in a winnable game, but is expected to come back the following week. Even though I believe Sudfeld is a lot better, I wouldn’t want his very first appearance in a NFL game being in that situation.

  • Ryan Stocker

    The only way you sign another QB is if Foles goes down. And even then, I would Sudfeld start a week while the new guy got up to speed. Guys I’d look at? Romo and RGIII. Talent-wise, Kaep is probably the best option. Distraction-wise, absolutely the worst. I really don’t care about his political views, but others do, and that’s the problem. All it would be is a distraction that could take away from how the team is feeling.

    • daveH

      You address a very real point .. if we all want to be there rooting for our team. . If one just wants to be neutral on all that Kaep is. .. it creates a real confusion to cheer or not to cheer .. i interpret much of his publicity as an objective to divide first, and not sure when the Unite part happens .. not sure any of his primary focus helps our team and not sure that his superior athleticism qualifies him as a good enough QB. . At the right price you take him, so i do wonder what kind of money he would want (500K hell yes, 5M no thanks )

    • ChoTime

      I just don’t think he’s very good. I always thought he was overrated. I support him politically, but as a football player, he just doesn’t move the needle.

      • Guy Media

        Agreed.

  • or____

    Ok I see now that Romo was released from the Cowboys which I get. And I understand Farve did it, yada yada.

    Does anybody actually think there’s greater than a 0% chance he’d come out of retirement? I sure as hell don’t.

    • Bert’s Bells

      Are you suggesting the ol’ gunslinger saddle up for his former understudy?

      That’s the kind of narrative which would cause the league to rig everything for the Eagles to get to the SB.

      • or____

        Well there’s that…

        I can picture it now “Loopy Carson Wentz calls in to tell Brett Farve to just throw it up there more”!

  • Ark87

    Since we’re all talking about throwing stuff on the wall and seeing what sticks.

    Peyton Ma-Alright hear me out!
    We’re talking a really low bar here people! 3rd QB!

    Yes he’s old as F and his arm was shot in his last Superbowl (that they won by the way). Maybe he healed just enough, give him 3 weeks to get into the play books and get game ready. He just needs to physically hold it together for 3 wins.

    Lets face it, it can’t sit well with him that his scrub little bro has the same amount of rings as him. Now, 3 SB rings with 3 different teams…

    GOAT, eat it Brady!

    …sigh…that was fun, in that fantasy we also signed Megatron and URLACHERRRRZ

    • ChoTime

      Multiple forks were already stuck in him when he was last playing. I’m not in favor of picking up a new QB. If we lose Foles, better just let Lane Johnson take over at that point.

      • Ark87

        It was tongue in cheek, no one is actually taking this 3rd QB talk seriously right?

        If we get down to our 3rd QB, unless Sudfeld is the next out of no where Tom Brady it’s over. No one wins Super Bowls on their 3rd QB. Damn hard to win with your first.

        • ChoTime

          It appears that some here are taking the 3rd QB talk seriously. I’m not… I guess I would take Romo, because he was quite the baller.

      • or____

        Love that idea. I was trying to think of former QBs (in their highschool/college pedigree) on the roster. Lane it is!

    • wee2424

      Disagree on Manning, but thumbs up for the URLACHERRRZ mention.

    • sonofdman

      As long as he gets some of those shipments “for his wife” before he comes back.

  • ChoTime

    Article about how s____y it is to be an Eagles fan. Unfortunately, I do identify ith the “doomed” feeling. Obligatory snowball reference, of course. But an awesome picture of Wentz as the Savior compensates.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4648279/

    • xeynon

      As s—-y as it is to be an Eagles fan, it was even s—-ier to be a Patriots fan until Belichick and Brady came along. “Doomed” franchises are only doomed until they get a good coach and a good quarterback.

      • P_P_K

        And our Coach and qb are class acts, unlike B & B.

        • or____

          This times a billion. #emotionalintelligence

        • xeynon

          Yeah, I’m really not too worried about the future, despite the bad injury luck this season. Pederson and Wentz have both shown me enough that if I had to bet I’d say we win at least one SB with them at some point.

    • Mac

      A fish satisfied, or an Eagles fan dissatisfied eh?

    • or____

      Woe is us! Best record in the league. Bright future with uniquely talented youth. If only we could be like the _______…. sorry I got nothing. I can’t do it. I wouldn’t trade being an Eagles fan for any other team in the league right now.

    • P_P_K

      Am I missing out on the joke? The link took me to an article on “The origin and early phylogenetic history of jawed vertebrates.”

      • ChoTime

        Ha, just testing you? Sorry, I was trying to find evidence that terrestrial vertebrates are more closely related to bony fish than cartilaginous fish, and that article was what I found.

        Here’s the ESPN To Live and Die in Philly article: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21768098/eagles-fans-soak-another-beatdown-wentz-injury-nfl

        • P_P_K

          Glad to have the right link, I’m off to read.
          Thought maybe the jawed vertebrates was a veiled reference to Jaworski’s family tree.

        • FairOaks

          I was wondering (looking at the URL) how the Eagles fan situation has become so much of a national health issue that the National Institutes of Health needed to write about it…

  • Ryan Rambo

    Giants SS Landon Collins (ankle) is doubtful Week 15 against the Eagles

    • xeynon

      They’d be extraordinarily dumb to risk further injury to one of their best defenders in a meaningless game when a loss benefits their draft position. I expect he’s as good as out.

    • Mac

      SS = slow safety

  • A_T_G

    Out of curiosity, when a team wins the Super Bowl, do players on the IR get rings? Asking for a few goats.

    • kajomo

      Yes. Anyone that was a member of the team who played I believe gets one, but I know the IR guys do

    • wee2424

      Everyone. Coaching staff, injured players etc.

      • eagleyankfan

        and people that post on T-Laws board

    • Bert’s Bells

      It’s up to the club, actually. So theoretically all youse “12th men” out there can get one if Lurie says so.

  • or____

    I don’t agree about the correlation, but I do agree about the fact that this should be a very winnable game.

    I dislike the concept of “that games means_____ for that game”. Not how the NFL or life really works.

    • GermanEagle

      I would normally agree with your statement, however when looking at the 37 injured players from the Giants it would be really Hard to swallow a loss on Sunday.

      Especially since I will be at the game.

      • P_P_K

        I can’t keep track, was it good luck or bad luck when you go to games? Or was that only related to your daughter’s games? Regardless, please don’t screw this up.

        • GermanEagle

          The Eagles winning percentage when GE is going to an actual game is 0.875.

          • P_P_K

            I sure hope you are messing up your decimals and percentages, and the actual winning percentage is 87.5%. Otherwise, please stay home.

          • GermanEagle

            I was trying to use american metrics. Lol

          • P_P_K

            Wasn’t that Andy Reid’s excuse about why he couldn’t figure out how to utilize timeouts?

          • Mac

            And undefeated in the offseason when GE is having oral surgery!

      • or____

        Oh yeah, super hard to swallow, unless they started Sudfeld, only ran Clement, Seomalu at C, Warmack at Guard, and Gibson/Johnson at WR.

    • Bert’s Bells

      I’m looking at this like a pre-season game. A win is nice, but strong individual performances mean more (looking at FOles)

      • or____

        Yeah, I mean, I definitely want a win. Sweeping NFC East is still on the table, as is clinching #1 seed. But we could totally lose this game and win the superbowl or something.

        Did anyone rule out the patriots after last week?

        edit: cheatriots

        • eagleyankfan

          I don’t understand that thinking at all…2 roads to the superbowl….home or away games…I’ll take the ‘home’ games thank you very much. I’m certainly NOT looking at this game as ‘oh well’, we lost….I get what you’re saying — sure – visiting teams all the time…but I want the better odds of home instead of having to travel to Seattle or Rams or Vikes…

          • or____

            Yeah, I agree with you and didn’t really suggest otherwise. Just saying that technically, a loss to the Giants would not prevent us from anything. We could still lock up home field advantage with wins in the other remaining games/other teams losing, and we could still have success beyond that.

        • Mac

          I did…. They lost to Jay Cutler on the Dolphins. Bunch of chumps.

          • or____

            Means they can’t have success in the playoffs or win the superbowl right?

          • Mac

            It means that if they have success it’s only because they cheated, because they can’t beat a lousy team without cheating.

        • kajomo

          It’s not the same.

          If we lose after 2 very inconsistent weeks then we are plying bad football and have our back up QB.

          When they lose they still have the best coach and QB in the history of the game.

          Can’t really compare those 2 situations

          • or____

            Fair enough, but that still doesn’t change the fact that being certain about a future NFL game based off of a past NFL game is a violation of logic and fact.

          • kajomo

            I agree. Just because we lose does not determine what happens in the future.

            That said, I want to see the defense dominate and Foles play well. Those will make me feel better moving forward. A win is a must in my mind because I feel we need HFA to have a shot with Foles.

          • or____

            Agreed, except for that last part. Haha, sorry I’m like that. Of course HFA increases the chance of success, duh, but it’s not a must.

          • kajomo

            Not literally a must, but it’s a must for me to have any confidence. the odds of Foles winning a road playoff game are a lot lower than at home.

          • xeynon

            Eh, a loss this week would be bad, but it doesn’t necessarily mean anything or affect my outlook for the reason of the season. Totally depends on how it happens. If Foles comes out and lights it up but they give up a bunch of points on fluky plays or whatever and lose a close game, I’ll be mad but won’t write them off come playoff time. If the offense totally craps the bed and looks impotent without Wentz against a banged up Giants D I’ll be more concerned.

          • kajomo

            We can’t completely write them off because anything can happen in the playoffs. Just saying Brady and Co have earned the benefit of the doubt more than the Foles lead eagles squad.

            I actually think a bad defensive performance would be worse than a bad offensive one. The defense has not been playing well enough and they have no excuses.

      • eagleyankfan

        well, that and home field…

      • GermanEagle

        I don’t. Securing a 1st round bye should be top priority. And even if this means a 6-3 victory.

        • Bert’s Bells

          That’s there, sure. But they’ve two other games too.

  • mtn_green

    Aren’t Vikings on qb3? Bridgewater-Sammy-keenum

    • or____

      Not sure that Teddy was really “#1” this year..

    • xeynon

      Bridgewater got hurt last preseason and they traded a #1 pick to bring in Bradford as a new starter. That doesn’t count as QB3 for this season.

    • Insomniac

      To be fair, Bridgewater is pretty much a QB2 at best from what he’s shown in the league.

  • A_T_G

    I dare you to watch this without smiling…
    https://twitter.com/eagles/status/941767571434606592

    • Ark87

      Saw Wentz trotting off the field after a touchdown, such an effortless and graceful run, so alive… back to depression

    • nicolajNN

      One cool thing about this one, normally it seems an offensive player is mostly interacting with the offence, and vice versa for a defender, Celek is firing everyone up, offence, defence and special teams

    • daveH

      Good, yes i was smiling. . It cut or on me when he went to Mills

    • P_P_K

      I tried not to smile, couldn’t do it.

      • A_T_G

        After all these years, the man loves his job.

  • Insomniac

    How piss off everyone. Don’t shut down the schools on a snow day.

    • or____

      How to piss off everyone. Shut down the schools on a a snow day when it might end up not snowing much… just saying…

      • Julescat

        gotta make up those days in June

  • ColorSgt

    This is not a must win game for sure, but I still think its a big game. Obviously, there is the bye they want to get. It’s also a division game that I could see being an ugly game. You would hate to see them stoop to giants level. But most importantly, you want to see Foles do well. It could really help the team to see him play well and believe in him. To a degree he showed that last week. But he needs to show that for a full game especially against a crappy giants team.

  • ColorSgt

    I don’t want kaep because I don’t think he’s that good. Throw in the ridiculous media attention and mcgloin is looking like a good pick up. Kaep is the last thing this team needs. Save your political comments to yourself, because I don’t care.

    • Guy Media

      I think we’ve all put it out there on where we stand with Kaep politically (I’m in agreement with him), but you’re spot on with your assessment of his quarterbacking.

      • ColorSgt

        Yeah I’m late to the party…. I read down and saw some similar comments. I just don’t like politics or at least discussing them, because people get crazy with it. That’s why I follow football, but I guess we all get a little crazy on here too.

      • Julescat

        not with kap or any of his attention seeking antics

        remember SF paid extra to buy him out of the last year of his contract

  • daveH

    I can’t wait to beat the Gints and hear them tell me that they were only playing their backup QB !!!

  • SteveH

    Every time I watch Embiid I’m just blown away. Dude is out there with a bad back grinding away bringing the team back in the clutch, just crazy.