The Backup Plan

Posted: December 14th, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 143 Comments »

Nick Foles is the new starter. Everyone knows that and has 1000 percent complete faith he will play at an elite level for the next couple of months. Right?

But what happens if Foles gets hurt? Your backup is…Nate Sudfeld.

I’m sure Sudfeld is a terrific person. I bet you would enjoy chugging some PBRs and listening to Three Sides Live by Genesis with him. Or maybe discussing the role of Admiral Nelson in the Battle of Copenhagen. That’s all well and good, but the real question is whether Sudfeld can be a functional NFL QB.

He has never thrown a pass in an NFL game. That means he is about as raw as you can get. Sudfeld has been with the Eagles since cutdown day, when the Skins let him go. The Eagles put him on the practice squad for about half the season. The Colts talked about adding Sudfeld to their roster, but the Eagles ended that idea by adding him to their active roster.

The Eagles coaches say they like Sudfeld and see him as a player to develop.

I was not a fan of Sudfeld’s when he came out of Indiana. His highlights were good, but I saw a player who was just too inconsistent for me. He does remind me of Nick Foles. Both are big pocket passers with some mobility. Sudfeld has the better arm. I might not be the only one who sees Sudfeld and Foles as similar. For those who don’t remember, Doug Pederson was the Eagles coach who worked Nick Foles out prior to the 2012 draft and who really liked him.

Sudfeld did play in the last two preseasons. He played the entire preseason finale for the Skins this summer, going 22-33-228 and leading them to a dominant crappy 13-10 win over the ’85 Bears crappy Bucs.

Here are some preseason highlights.

Here is a good game of his from his days at Indiana.

There is no question that Sudfeld has some talent. He makes some impressive throws. He puts good touch on his passes and gives his receivers a chance to make a play. You want a guy who throws a catchable ball. I think his skill set fits the Eagles offense. I think Sudfeld could develop into a solid backup.

My concern for now is relying on him in such crucial games. If Foles stays healthy, who cares. But what if Foles does get hurt? Man, you’d have no idea what to expect from Sudfeld.

It would be great if the Eagles could get Sudfeld some reps somewhere in the next three weeks. Build a big lead on Sunday or against the Raiders and see what the kid can do. Just let him get a feel for the speed of the NFL game. You could argue that the Eagles could let him start a game if they clinch homefield advantage. There is risk in that, as Jimmy Bama points out. You don’t want to take away from the Eagles momentum heading into the playoffs. Foles also needs all the reps he can get.

If the Eagles are up 31-10 or 27-9 or something like that with less than 10 minutes left on Sunday, I’d put Sudfeld in. You need a three-possession lead in the 4th quarter. If the Eagles somehow have a huge lead, definitely put him in. The Eagles should win on Sunday, but with Foles at QB you just don’t know how much the Eagles will score.

The Eagles could add a veteran QB, but there just aren’t good options at this time of the year. Matt McGloin played for the team this summer, but he was awful. RG III is on the market, but hasn’t played in a while. Colin Kaepernick is healthy, talented and has Super Bowl experience. But he’s also sat for a while and would bring all kinds of attention to the team. Some of you would object to Kap for political reasons. I would tell you to put that argument on hold, go look at the Eagles trophy case and then get back to me.

I want this team to do whatever they feels improves their chances of getting to and winning the Super Bowl. Go sign Tony Romo, Troy Aikman or friggin’ Benedict Arnold. Do what it takes to win.

The counter argument is that Sudfeld has been here all year and knows the system. Adding a talented veteran who doesn’t know the system and is rusty is hardly an ideal option. It takes time to get into football shape and have any kind of timing. This is mid-December. There isn’t much time to spare.

There is one angle to this that I do like. Pederson has preached Next Man Up all year. He’s shown confidence in the backups and they have mostly played well when given the chance to help. Sticking with Sudfeld means sticking with the philosophy and there is something to be said for that. This team has great chemistry from top to bottom, in part because every player feels like they contribute.

Hopefully Sudfeld’s contribution will be kneel-downs in blowout wins.


Stefen Wisniewski was limited in practice today. That’s better than nothing, but still makes you nervous for Sunday. Jason Kelce had an interesting mishap. Go read Les Bowen’s practice notes for the details and a funny Carson Wentz story.


143 Comments on “The Backup Plan”

  1. 1 Ark87 said at 9:59 PM on December 14th, 2017:

    Tommy, not sure if it was a joke or reference of some sort. But if you are a history buff and you made a second website to occasionally write for, would be my second favorite place on the internet (second only to iggleblitz).

    As for sudfeld, they need to either get the backup now, or roll with Sudfeld hell or high water. Waiting for Foles to get hurt then getting someone off the couch would be terrible malpractice. I’m ok with sticking with Sudfeld as long as they do their due diligence kicking the tires out there, and make a lot of called to see if there is a better option to be had. If they come up empty, so be it.

  2. 2 BlindChow said at 12:02 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    If they really do think Sudfeld can handle it (and aren’t just saying that because they don’t want to hurt his precious little feelings), then I’m okay with rolling with him.

    After all, the Eagles did give up a roster spot for him when another team came calling. Clearly the staff didn’t want to lose him. (I mean, they didn’t give one up for Bryce Treggs (hey welcome back!)…)

  3. 3 Dave said at 10:18 PM on December 14th, 2017:

    In 2013, I was very high on Foles. The one thing I can’t shake is the game against Dallas that year. He was 11-29 for 80 yards.

    I kept waiting for the coaches to say he had a concussion or something wrong with his head. He looked completely lost that day.

    Obviously he turned it around as the next game was the 7 TD HOF performance against the Raiders.

    I’m curious to see if he connects with the deep pass, which was something Carson really hasn’t done this year with the exception of his connection with Mack Hollins. Nick was definitely not afraid to sling it deep, granted it was made much easier having a young DeSean.

  4. 4 Insomniac said at 10:35 PM on December 14th, 2017:

    I hope Foles is just a good game manager. Let the guys make plays for him and don’t force him to make plays. That being said, if Wis ain’t playing then Sudfeld is probably likely to be starting at some point this season.

    Thus, my scale of disappointment and self loathing for our QB situation via alcohol comparisons.

    Wentz – The usual rotation of beer is ok with me. Maybe a cocktail on a blowout day.

    Foles – Broke out the whiskey and not even the good kind.

    Sudfeld – Never wanted to try anything harder than whiskey but absinthe sounds good about now.

  5. 5 Guy Media said at 6:02 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    AMEN on the game manager aspect. The O-line needs to dominate on the run, the special teams needs to tackle dude and not allow any returns, and the D needs to shut teams down. The job of Foles should be to complete enough key passes to win the game vs. teams that have no business beating us (Giants, Raiders) or beating us in our building (Divisional round opposition, NFC Championship round opposition).

  6. 6 DustyRyder71 said at 10:51 PM on December 14th, 2017:

    Three Sides Live would be pretty cool, but Nate would have a fan for life in me if he broke out Seconds Out instead.

    And if I could trade in that PBR for a Ballast Point Victory at Sea, we’d be all set.

  7. 7 ChoTime said at 12:38 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    Given my experience with Genesis in the 80s, I think I’d rather listen to Two Live Crew with a good Sculpin or Big Eye.

  8. 8 D Smith said at 9:30 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Seconds Out and both of the The Way We walk albums, hell yea!

  9. 9 SteveH said at 11:04 PM on December 14th, 2017:

    It’s gotta be Kap if Foles goes down. There’s no way we’re entrusting the rest of our season to Nate Sudfeld or Matt McGloin.

    Of course it was Chance Warmack who stepped on Kelce. Who else? Dude is more hazard than help to the team at this point.

  10. 10 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 11:13 PM on December 14th, 2017:


  11. 11 Guy Media said at 6:03 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    Nope. We don’t play that type of grabasstic read one and run bullshit here. No thanks on Kaep.

  12. 12 Crus57 said at 7:16 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    Only thing QB-wise that makes me look favourably on Kaep is that he is mobile enough to deal with a leaky OL, if we have to play a game of Chance.

  13. 13 Guy Media said at 9:29 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    But that mobility is overlapped by inaccuracy, poor decision making, and making progression reads.

  14. 14 or____ said at 10:58 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    Mike Vick had success…

  15. 15 D Smith said at 9:36 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Omg. So tired of hearing about Colon Krapernick. He doesn’t know the playbook. Has no rhythm with receivers. As well as taking snaps from Kelce and hand-offs to our backs. All of that takes time. He hasn’t played in almost two full seasons. Krapernick makes no sense for the Eagles.

  16. 16 CrackSammich said at 10:06 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    I’m glad that you found the most mature way to phrase your criticisms.

  17. 17 kajomo said at 11:35 PM on December 14th, 2017:

    I’m not optimistic that Foles can get the job done in the playoffs, but if he goes down we have no shot. Better to just stick with Sudfeld and show you have faith in the guys on your roster.

  18. 18 P_P_K said at 9:19 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    And start looking to next year.

  19. 19 中青看点 said at 11:41 PM on December 14th, 2017:


  20. 20 Someguy77 said at 1:28 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    At this point, if Foles goes down Doug P. may as well suit up at half-time

  21. 21 teltschikfakeout88 said at 9:00 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    Reich would be the backup…

  22. 22 Ian no. 2 said at 2:05 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    +1 on signing Kap.

    Don’t think it will happen as has been reported to CBS, and Lurie essentially went negative on Kap during his “I signed Vick” speech, citing a diss on ‘first responders.’ Kap explained that he had uncles and friends that were cops and that many have the right intentions, which, granted, was not the apology that some would ask for, but for Lurie doing time for animal abuse agrees with his paternalism more than exercising one’s first amendment rights. And of course, what does Vick have to do with Kaepernick? Lurie – Jenkins – Kap is another angle. But I agree circumstantially with those that say it’s not one owner, but the league that has blackballed him. The Packers don’t have an owner and they didn’t sign Kap when they needed him.

  23. 23 Guy Media said at 6:04 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    -1 on signing Kaep; he doesn’t play the game properly.

  24. 24 kevinlied said at 8:56 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    I feel like that’s a valid argument for why you don’t sign Kaep to start over Foles. Less compelling when the options are Kaep and Nate Sudfeld.

  25. 25 Guy Media said at 9:28 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    Kaep would be so far outside of any type of structure, I can’t see any reason to have him.

  26. 26 kevinlied said at 10:15 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    I hear you. I think if a quarterback falls below a certain line of competence, I’d rather have Kaep improvising than that dude operating within a structure. I’m not sure where exactly that line is, but I fear Sudfeld is comfortably beneath it.

  27. 27 Ark87 said at 11:55 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    true, but at the same time, if the o-line is beat up, running the ball a ton with a smattering of sandlot can be just enough if the defense can get it together. Wentz did a lot of his damage outside the structure after all.

    He’s limited for sure, even with offseason prep. But if they like him more than Sudafed, I’m on board I guess. If we’re on our 3rd QB, then I’m in full on F-it mode. Knock yourselves out, whatever miracle we’re praying for, I’ll pray for it too.

  28. 28 kajomo said at 12:00 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Please tell us everything you know about Nate Sudfeld. Strengths, weaknesses, what he excels on at practice. How can you possibly say Kaep is a better option then Sufeld? We as fans just don’t know.

    What we do know is that Kaep was figured out. He locks on to WRs or runs if his first read isn’t there. He is easy for good defenses to defend.

    If Foles goes down we likely don’t have a viable replacement, but give me the guy we don’t know about and has been practicing in the offense for months over the guy we know isn’t good enough and has never played in this offense.

  29. 29 kevinlied said at 12:11 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    What you say regarding the mystique surrounding QBs who haven’t played is undoubtedly true. We don’t know. But by the same logic, we can’t say for sure that Matt Ryan is a better option than Sudfeld. Look, if the coaching staff feels like Sudfeld is the quality of a top-40ish NFL quarterback, cool. Is there a good argument that Kaep, warts and all, is not of that level?

  30. 30 kajomo said at 12:34 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    QB is tricky. Athletically you look at him and say he has better tools than even half the starting QBs in the league. But his inconsistency, his unavability to work through progressions, etc. impacts th rest of the team. Wentz made everyone else around him better. Foles and Sudfeld won’t do that. Kaep often makes his teammates jobs harder. He is not a good fit for this system, so not a good fit for this team. I do think he deserves a job somewhere, but not this eagles team.

  31. 31 Ian no. 2 said at 12:17 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    It is not easy to defend a running quarterback with an 88.9 career passing rating. There are a lot of professional columns nitpicking Kap and they are deceptive junk.

  32. 32 FairOaks said at 4:21 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Have to admit, I didn’t pay a lot of attention to his stats last year. They were fairly decent, on a horrid team. The year before he was awful though, which is when I thought he was basically done. Of course that was with Chip, whose offense can inflate QB numbers some.

  33. 33 Julescat said at 9:34 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    Kap is a mediocre QB who happens to be a locker room cancer and would drive away the team’s fans. why no mention of Johnny Football?

    that would make as much sense as Kap

  34. 34 xeynon said at 11:41 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    Kaepernick may be the center of a media circus if he signs somewhere, but he’s not a “locker room cancer”. His teammates in SF spoke highly of him and he’s deeply respected around the league for his willingness to take a stand on issues important to him from everything I’ve heard. I understand the preference not to sign him but let’s be fair here.

  35. 35 Julescat said at 3:20 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    the locker room cancer would be the endless “look at me” controversies the rest of the team would have to answer for.

    Don’t forget the pig socks, as well as the t-shirt insulting Cubans worn in Florida.

  36. 36 Ian no. 2 said at 3:36 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    He didn’t insult Cubans. Writing for people who can be easily fooled insults people’s intelligence.

  37. 37 xeynon said at 6:09 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    His former teammates have no problem with him. His protests were a big story last season when he was still playing and nobody complained about it.

    And I hardly think you can accuse him of a “look at me” mentality. He didn’t even talk about the anthem protest until a reporter noticed it and asked him about it, and since he’s been out of the league all he’s done is gone around and give his own money and time to advance causes he cares about – he hasn’t even given interviews.

    You’re free to dislike the guy’s politics, but to call him a locker room cancer is unfair. The people in the best position to judge that are his teammates, and none of them have had any problem with him.

  38. 38 Ian no. 2 said at 11:41 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    Kaepernick has a career 87.3 passer rating in the playoffs and has taken his team to two NFC championship games.

    There is not a single instance of a player saying that he has a negative effect on locker room culture. A former Eagle coach I will not name vouched that he was a positive influence in the locker room last year, a year in which he posted a 90.7 passer rating despite being thrown in to a dysfunctional offense in mid-season.

  39. 39 Julescat said at 3:19 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    SF paid extra money to void the last year of Kap’s deal

    actions speak louder than words

  40. 40 Ian no. 2 said at 3:43 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    No, they didn’t pay ‘extra money.’ Kap voided the contract, which the Niners were probably going to void later instead of paying him over 16 million. And you neglect to mention the fact that several owners are openly advocating a boycott of Kaepernick and there is currently a respected attorney filing a lawsuit suggesting such a league-wide boycott.

  41. 41 Dan in Philly said at 4:09 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    If the Eagles lose by 10-6 or something like that this town will freak.

  42. 42 Jack Waggoner said at 4:33 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    It’s like with Tebow, you don’t want to bring the circus to town. Now if Foles gets hurt maybe you sign Kap at that point rather than use the kid.

  43. 43 Guy Media said at 6:05 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    I think the circus aspect is overrated, but Kaep( much like Tebow) doesn’t play the game the right way. FAR too much read one and run / not enough staying in the pocket and making progression reads.

  44. 44 Fufina said at 5:36 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    If we are ever in a situation where we are having to play our 3rd QB we are screwed. We will need to have the good version of Foles to make any progress in the playoffs, and if Foles gets injured we are not going anywhere. There is no-one who is going to make a difference with this little time to learn the scheme and people like RG3 and Kaep have never played in a west coast, so you would need to rip up the entire playbook and try and implement something specifically for them, and there will be no time to even attempt that if Foles gets injured.

    We also have almost no cap room this year left, and need every cent to roll over to next year, so i would be shocked if we signed any QB to anything more than a vet minimum deal (which would not add anything to our cap for 2017).

    If Foles gets injured, then its just not our year. There is no point trying to plan for the scenario where he gets hurt more than 1-2 snaps, because as soon as that happens it is all over anyway.

  45. 45 P_P_K said at 9:17 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    An inconvenient truth.

  46. 46 Guy Media said at 6:00 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    “The counter argument is that Sudfeld has been here all year and knows the system. Adding a talented veteran who doesn’t know the system and is rusty is hardly an ideal option. It takes time to get into football shape and have any kind of timing. This is mid-December. There isn’t much time to spare.”

    Correct! And where are we going to get another pocket passer at this time of year?

  47. 47 xeynon said at 6:28 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    The only free agent QB I consider signing at this point is Romo – while neither he, Kaep, nor RG3 has ever played in our scheme, Romo had the longest career and has played in offenses more similar to ours than the read option offenses Kaep and Griffin have run. I defer to the coaches’ judgment though – if they think Sudfeld is he best option as a backup, we go with him. I tend to think we’re in Raiders-with-Connor-Cook territory regardless if Foles goes down. Neither a practiced third stringer nor a rusty and system-unaccustomed experienced starter is winning us the ‘ship.

    Ideally, the Eagles blow out the Giants and Raiders so Sudfeld can get some second have snaps against live bullets. As for the season finale, assuming we’ve clinched HFA I 100% think we rest the starters there. Normally I can see the argument there, but we have too many critical players we can’t afford to lose – not only Foles but also Johnson (heck every starter on our OL), Cox, Bradham, Kendricks, Jenkins, etc. We had great depth at the beginning of the season, at several positions we don’t know, so we have to be appropriately cautious. The risk that they’ll get rusty with an extra week off seems like a lesser concern to me than the risk that one of them gets hurt and we’re suddenly starting a replacement level player in the playoffs.

  48. 48 Guy Media said at 6:31 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    I’d love to see a ton of Sudfeld in a game vs. Dallas that only exists to have the fans taunt Elliot for being a all-pro of domestic violence and lying.

  49. 49 or____ said at 7:38 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    Why are people even talking about a retired player as a free agent? And doesn’t Dallas still own his rights?

  50. 50 wee2424 said at 1:26 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    No, he was released.

  51. 51 teltschikfakeout88 said at 9:00 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    Romo…looks to have put on some lbs on tv..not so sure he is in shape to play…

  52. 52 HawaiianEagle said at 8:38 AM on December 15th, 2017:


  53. 53 Philadelphian said at 10:10 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    I know this is wishful thinking, but could Matt McGloin be another Patrick Robinson?

    As much as I hate to say it, bringing in McGloin is the only move that makes sense at backup. If nothing else he knows the Eagles system. If the Eagles are down to Sudfeld and he falters there’s nothing to lose in trying McGloin.

  54. 54 or____ said at 11:29 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    No. PRob demonstrated decent success, in real NFL games prior to coming here. McGloin, uh, no.

  55. 55 xeynon said at 11:46 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    Patrick Robinson came into the league as a #1 pick, so we know he at least has the raw talent to thrive under the right circumstances. McGloin was an UDFA, and not the kind who’s demonstrated during his NFL career that the scouts misjudged his talent level. It is indeed wishful thinking.

  56. 56 Philadelphian said at 3:02 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    During training camp, no one including McGloin was considered more of a liability than Robinson.

    I’m not claiming McGloin is a savior because he stinks, but if Foles gets a minor injury in a game that forces him out of a game it makes more sense to bring someone in that knows the system.

  57. 57 xeynon said at 3:04 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    That may be true, but if Foles gets hurt I don’t know that we’re any less screwed with McGloin than we would be with Sudfeld.

  58. 58 Philadelphian said at 3:21 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Let’s face it either way we are in trouble. However, in the short-term, Foles is only out for the remainder of a particular game, I think you have a better shot with McGloin. It’s not that I think McGloin is better than Sudfeld, which he’s not, but at least he has some experience.

    I think what we need to remember is how a defense game plans for a particular QB and then sometimes has a difficult time adjusting to someone else. What better example than Mark Sanchez who looked like a world beater in relief, but than got exposed the following week.

  59. 59 Philadelphian said at 6:30 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Let’s hope Foles stays healthy.

  60. 60 kajomo said at 11:55 AM on December 15th, 2017:


  61. 61 wee2424 said at 1:25 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    You did watch him this past offseason correct?

  62. 62 Philadelphian said at 2:57 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Yes, and I also watched Robinson.

  63. 63 wee2424 said at 10:18 PM on December 20th, 2017:

    There is also a stark difference between playing QB and CB. Robinson has also played nickel CB at a very high level in the past.

    McGloin has never played the position at a high level, and lacks the physical ability for his position that Robinson does posses for his position. Keep in mind that Robinson was a very high draft pick for a reason.

  64. 64 Philadelphian said at 11:10 PM on December 20th, 2017:

    I think you need to keep in mind that we are talking about a short run solution. In other words, if Foles goes down in a winnable game, but is expected to come back the following week. Even though I believe Sudfeld is a lot better, I wouldn’t want his very first appearance in a NFL game being in that situation.

  65. 65 Ryan Stocker said at 10:27 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    The only way you sign another QB is if Foles goes down. And even then, I would Sudfeld start a week while the new guy got up to speed. Guys I’d look at? Romo and RGIII. Talent-wise, Kaep is probably the best option. Distraction-wise, absolutely the worst. I really don’t care about his political views, but others do, and that’s the problem. All it would be is a distraction that could take away from how the team is feeling.

  66. 66 daveH said at 12:12 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    You address a very real point .. if we all want to be there rooting for our team. . If one just wants to be neutral on all that Kaep is. .. it creates a real confusion to cheer or not to cheer .. i interpret much of his publicity as an objective to divide first, and not sure when the Unite part happens .. not sure any of his primary focus helps our team and not sure that his superior athleticism qualifies him as a good enough QB. . At the right price you take him, so i do wonder what kind of money he would want (500K hell yes, 5M no thanks )

  67. 67 ChoTime said at 12:36 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    I just don’t think he’s very good. I always thought he was overrated. I support him politically, but as a football player, he just doesn’t move the needle.

  68. 68 Guy Media said at 4:11 PM on December 15th, 2017:


  69. 69 or____ said at 11:02 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    Ok I see now that Romo was released from the Cowboys which I get. And I understand Farve did it, yada yada.

    Does anybody actually think there’s greater than a 0% chance he’d come out of retirement? I sure as hell don’t.

  70. 70 Bert's Bells said at 11:22 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    Are you suggesting the ol’ gunslinger saddle up for his former understudy?

    That’s the kind of narrative which would cause the league to rig everything for the Eagles to get to the SB.

  71. 71 or____ said at 11:37 AM on December 15th, 2017:

    Well there’s that…

    I can picture it now “Loopy Carson Wentz calls in to tell Brett Farve to just throw it up there more”!

  72. 72 Ark87 said at 12:08 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Since we’re all talking about throwing stuff on the wall and seeing what sticks.

    Peyton Ma-Alright hear me out!
    We’re talking a really low bar here people! 3rd QB!

    Yes he’s old as F and his arm was shot in his last Superbowl (that they won by the way). Maybe he healed just enough, give him 3 weeks to get into the play books and get game ready. He just needs to physically hold it together for 3 wins.

    Lets face it, it can’t sit well with him that his scrub little bro has the same amount of rings as him. Now, 3 SB rings with 3 different teams…

    GOAT, eat it Brady!

    …sigh…that was fun, in that fantasy we also signed Megatron and URLACHERRRRZ

  73. 73 ChoTime said at 12:35 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Multiple forks were already stuck in him when he was last playing. I’m not in favor of picking up a new QB. If we lose Foles, better just let Lane Johnson take over at that point.

  74. 74 Ark87 said at 1:00 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    It was tongue in cheek, no one is actually taking this 3rd QB talk seriously right?

    If we get down to our 3rd QB, unless Sudfeld is the next out of no where Tom Brady it’s over. No one wins Super Bowls on their 3rd QB. Damn hard to win with your first.

  75. 75 ChoTime said at 3:35 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    It appears that some here are taking the 3rd QB talk seriously. I’m not… I guess I would take Romo, because he was quite the baller.

  76. 76 or____ said at 1:38 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Love that idea. I was trying to think of former QBs (in their highschool/college pedigree) on the roster. Lane it is!

  77. 77 wee2424 said at 1:23 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Disagree on Manning, but thumbs up for the URLACHERRRZ mention.

  78. 78 sonofdman said at 6:16 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    As long as he gets some of those shipments “for his wife” before he comes back.

  79. 79 ChoTime said at 12:34 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Article about how s____y it is to be an Eagles fan. Unfortunately, I do identify ith the “doomed” feeling. Obligatory snowball reference, of course. But an awesome picture of Wentz as the Savior compensates.

  80. 80 xeynon said at 1:15 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    As s—-y as it is to be an Eagles fan, it was even s—-ier to be a Patriots fan until Belichick and Brady came along. “Doomed” franchises are only doomed until they get a good coach and a good quarterback.

  81. 81 P_P_K said at 1:39 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    And our Coach and qb are class acts, unlike B & B.

  82. 82 or____ said at 1:41 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    This times a billion. #emotionalintelligence

  83. 83 xeynon said at 3:03 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Yeah, I’m really not too worried about the future, despite the bad injury luck this season. Pederson and Wentz have both shown me enough that if I had to bet I’d say we win at least one SB with them at some point.

  84. 84 Mac said at 1:16 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    A fish satisfied, or an Eagles fan dissatisfied eh?

  85. 85 or____ said at 1:36 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Woe is us! Best record in the league. Bright future with uniquely talented youth. If only we could be like the _______…. sorry I got nothing. I can’t do it. I wouldn’t trade being an Eagles fan for any other team in the league right now.

  86. 86 P_P_K said at 1:43 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Am I missing out on the joke? The link took me to an article on “The origin and early phylogenetic history of jawed vertebrates.”

  87. 87 ChoTime said at 3:33 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Ha, just testing you? Sorry, I was trying to find evidence that terrestrial vertebrates are more closely related to bony fish than cartilaginous fish, and that article was what I found.

    Here’s the ESPN To Live and Die in Philly article:

  88. 88 P_P_K said at 3:40 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Glad to have the right link, I’m off to read.
    Thought maybe the jawed vertebrates was a veiled reference to Jaworski’s family tree.

  89. 89 FairOaks said at 4:00 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    I was wondering (looking at the URL) how the Eagles fan situation has become so much of a national health issue that the National Institutes of Health needed to write about it…

  90. 90 Ryan Rambo said at 12:52 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Giants SS Landon Collins (ankle) is doubtful Week 15 against the Eagles

  91. 91 xeynon said at 1:13 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    They’d be extraordinarily dumb to risk further injury to one of their best defenders in a meaningless game when a loss benefits their draft position. I expect he’s as good as out.

  92. 92 Mac said at 1:14 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    SS = slow safety

  93. 93 A_T_G said at 1:07 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Out of curiosity, when a team wins the Super Bowl, do players on the IR get rings? Asking for a few goats.

  94. 94 kajomo said at 1:10 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Yes. Anyone that was a member of the team who played I believe gets one, but I know the IR guys do

  95. 95 wee2424 said at 1:21 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Everyone. Coaching staff, injured players etc.

  96. 96 eagleyankfan said at 1:51 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    and people that post on T-Laws board

  97. 97 Bert's Bells said at 1:29 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    It’s up to the club, actually. So theoretically all youse “12th men” out there can get one if Lurie says so.

  98. 98 or____ said at 1:33 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    I don’t agree about the correlation, but I do agree about the fact that this should be a very winnable game.

    I dislike the concept of “that games means_____ for that game”. Not how the NFL or life really works.

  99. 99 GermanEagle said at 1:36 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    I would normally agree with your statement, however when looking at the 37 injured players from the Giants it would be really Hard to swallow a loss on Sunday.

    Especially since I will be at the game.

  100. 100 P_P_K said at 1:38 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    I can’t keep track, was it good luck or bad luck when you go to games? Or was that only related to your daughter’s games? Regardless, please don’t screw this up.

  101. 101 GermanEagle said at 1:39 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    The Eagles winning percentage when GE is going to an actual game is 0.875.

  102. 102 P_P_K said at 1:42 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    I sure hope you are messing up your decimals and percentages, and the actual winning percentage is 87.5%. Otherwise, please stay home.

  103. 103 GermanEagle said at 1:45 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    I was trying to use american metrics. Lol

  104. 104 P_P_K said at 10:18 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Wasn’t that Andy Reid’s excuse about why he couldn’t figure out how to utilize timeouts?

  105. 105 Mac said at 1:44 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    And undefeated in the offseason when GE is having oral surgery!

  106. 106 or____ said at 1:40 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Oh yeah, super hard to swallow, unless they started Sudfeld, only ran Clement, Seomalu at C, Warmack at Guard, and Gibson/Johnson at WR.

  107. 107 Bert's Bells said at 1:51 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    I’m looking at this like a pre-season game. A win is nice, but strong individual performances mean more (looking at FOles)

  108. 108 or____ said at 1:53 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Yeah, I mean, I definitely want a win. Sweeping NFC East is still on the table, as is clinching #1 seed. But we could totally lose this game and win the superbowl or something.

    Did anyone rule out the patriots after last week?

    edit: cheatriots

  109. 109 eagleyankfan said at 1:54 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    I don’t understand that thinking at all…2 roads to the superbowl….home or away games…I’ll take the ‘home’ games thank you very much. I’m certainly NOT looking at this game as ‘oh well’, we lost….I get what you’re saying — sure – visiting teams all the time…but I want the better odds of home instead of having to travel to Seattle or Rams or Vikes…

  110. 110 or____ said at 2:00 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Yeah, I agree with you and didn’t really suggest otherwise. Just saying that technically, a loss to the Giants would not prevent us from anything. We could still lock up home field advantage with wins in the other remaining games/other teams losing, and we could still have success beyond that.

  111. 111 Mac said at 2:02 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    I did…. They lost to Jay Cutler on the Dolphins. Bunch of chumps.

  112. 112 or____ said at 2:56 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Means they can’t have success in the playoffs or win the superbowl right?

  113. 113 Mac said at 4:22 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    It means that if they have success it’s only because they cheated, because they can’t beat a lousy team without cheating.

  114. 114 kajomo said at 3:06 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    It’s not the same.

    If we lose after 2 very inconsistent weeks then we are plying bad football and have our back up QB.

    When they lose they still have the best coach and QB in the history of the game.

    Can’t really compare those 2 situations

  115. 115 or____ said at 3:37 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Fair enough, but that still doesn’t change the fact that being certain about a future NFL game based off of a past NFL game is a violation of logic and fact.

  116. 116 kajomo said at 7:24 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    I agree. Just because we lose does not determine what happens in the future.

    That said, I want to see the defense dominate and Foles play well. Those will make me feel better moving forward. A win is a must in my mind because I feel we need HFA to have a shot with Foles.

  117. 117 or____ said at 7:33 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Agreed, except for that last part. Haha, sorry I’m like that. Of course HFA increases the chance of success, duh, but it’s not a must.

  118. 118 kajomo said at 7:44 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Not literally a must, but it’s a must for me to have any confidence. the odds of Foles winning a road playoff game are a lot lower than at home.

  119. 119 xeynon said at 6:14 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Eh, a loss this week would be bad, but it doesn’t necessarily mean anything or affect my outlook for the reason of the season. Totally depends on how it happens. If Foles comes out and lights it up but they give up a bunch of points on fluky plays or whatever and lose a close game, I’ll be mad but won’t write them off come playoff time. If the offense totally craps the bed and looks impotent without Wentz against a banged up Giants D I’ll be more concerned.

  120. 120 kajomo said at 7:22 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    We can’t completely write them off because anything can happen in the playoffs. Just saying Brady and Co have earned the benefit of the doubt more than the Foles lead eagles squad.

    I actually think a bad defensive performance would be worse than a bad offensive one. The defense has not been playing well enough and they have no excuses.

  121. 121 eagleyankfan said at 1:53 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    well, that and home field…

  122. 122 GermanEagle said at 1:54 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    I don’t. Securing a 1st round bye should be top priority. And even if this means a 6-3 victory.

  123. 123 Bert's Bells said at 4:32 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    That’s there, sure. But they’ve two other games too.

  124. 124 mtn_green said at 1:58 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Aren’t Vikings on qb3? Bridgewater-Sammy-keenum

  125. 125 or____ said at 2:01 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Not sure that Teddy was really “#1” this year..

  126. 126 xeynon said at 3:01 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Bridgewater got hurt last preseason and they traded a #1 pick to bring in Bradford as a new starter. That doesn’t count as QB3 for this season.

  127. 127 Insomniac said at 4:14 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    To be fair, Bridgewater is pretty much a QB2 at best from what he’s shown in the league.

  128. 128 A_T_G said at 3:48 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    I dare you to watch this without smiling…

  129. 129 Ark87 said at 4:37 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Saw Wentz trotting off the field after a touchdown, such an effortless and graceful run, so alive… back to depression

  130. 130 nicolajNN said at 4:42 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    One cool thing about this one, normally it seems an offensive player is mostly interacting with the offence, and vice versa for a defender, Celek is firing everyone up, offence, defence and special teams

  131. 131 daveH said at 6:57 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Good, yes i was smiling. . It cut or on me when he went to Mills

  132. 132 P_P_K said at 8:19 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    I tried not to smile, couldn’t do it.

  133. 133 A_T_G said at 11:03 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    After all these years, the man loves his job.

  134. 134 Insomniac said at 4:16 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    How piss off everyone. Don’t shut down the schools on a snow day.

  135. 135 or____ said at 4:34 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    How to piss off everyone. Shut down the schools on a a snow day when it might end up not snowing much… just saying…

  136. 136 Julescat said at 5:25 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    gotta make up those days in June

  137. 137 ColorSgt said at 5:37 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    This is not a must win game for sure, but I still think its a big game. Obviously, there is the bye they want to get. It’s also a division game that I could see being an ugly game. You would hate to see them stoop to giants level. But most importantly, you want to see Foles do well. It could really help the team to see him play well and believe in him. To a degree he showed that last week. But he needs to show that for a full game especially against a crappy giants team.

  138. 138 ColorSgt said at 6:28 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    I don’t want kaep because I don’t think he’s that good. Throw in the ridiculous media attention and mcgloin is looking like a good pick up. Kaep is the last thing this team needs. Save your political comments to yourself, because I don’t care.

  139. 139 Guy Media said at 6:38 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    I think we’ve all put it out there on where we stand with Kaep politically (I’m in agreement with him), but you’re spot on with your assessment of his quarterbacking.

  140. 140 ColorSgt said at 6:44 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Yeah I’m late to the party…. I read down and saw some similar comments. I just don’t like politics or at least discussing them, because people get crazy with it. That’s why I follow football, but I guess we all get a little crazy on here too.

  141. 141 Julescat said at 7:28 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    not with kap or any of his attention seeking antics

    remember SF paid extra to buy him out of the last year of his contract

  142. 142 daveH said at 6:56 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    I can’t wait to beat the Gints and hear them tell me that they were only playing their backup QB !!!

  143. 143 SteveH said at 9:21 PM on December 15th, 2017:

    Every time I watch Embiid I’m just blown away. Dude is out there with a bad back grinding away bringing the team back in the clutch, just crazy.