Is Doug Ready?

Posted: January 4th, 2018 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 162 Comments »

We talk a lot about Nick Foles and whether the Eagles are ready for the postseason. There is also the question of how Doug Pederson will do.

Pederson guided the Eagles to a 7-9 record in 2016 and a 13-3 record this season. He should be a strong candidate for Coach of the Year. I think in his two seasons he has proven that he can motivate and lead a team. He can put together an effective gameplan and is a good play-caller. This year he’s taken a big step forward with strategy and being aggressive. Pederson is a quality head coach.

Coaches, like QBs, are heavily evaluated on what they do in the postseason. Who is a better head coach, Marty Schottenheimer or Tom Coughlin? I would take Schottenheimer in a second, but Coughlin has two rings and is the guy who most people would choose.

Not having Carson Wentz changes things in a big way, but Pederson will still be judged on how his team plays. If they win a game or two, his reputation will grow even bigger. If they lose in the divisional round, but the game is competitive, he’ll get credit for doing his best. If the team lays an egg, the critics will be talking about how Wentz carries him and Pederson is an average coach.

If the Eagles win the Super Bowl, Pederson is made Lord of Pennsylvania and rules the region for the rest of his life.

Is Pederson ready for the postseason?

He was the offensive coordinator in KC from 2013-2015. The Chiefs went 1-2 and never advanced to the AFC title game. As an assistant in Philly from 2009-2012, Pederson was 0-2 in playoff games. Those losses came in the wild card round in 2009 and 2010. You have to go all the way back to 1996 and 1997 to see him as part of teams having real postseason success. The Packers won the Super Bowl in 1996 and then lost in the Super Bowl in 1997.

Coaches don’t need a ton of experience to do well in the playoffs. It doesn’t hurt, obviously, but it isn’t a requirement.

One of the things I like most about Pederson is that he seems to be his own man. He spent a lot of time with Andy Reid, but is far from a clone of Big Red. Pederson mixes in offensive concepts from Chip Kelly and college coaches. He has a very open mind to analytics and was aggressive on 4th downs this year. Pederson seems to be more open-minded than most coaches.

I hope Pederson has learned from the playoff teams he’s been a part of over the years. He seems to be a coach who is able to honestly evaluate what happens and adjust accordingly. We’ll have to wait and see if he can take those lessons and turn them into positive results.

*****

I disagree with Brandon here.

Kamu had an unfair advantage. He was kicking the ball and knew exactly where it would go. That had to make it easier for him to go down and make the tackle.

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This has nothing to do with the Eagles. Just, wow.

One unpleasant thought…Belichick leaves the Patriots when the season is over. He goes to the Giants and takes over as coach. He wouldn’t have Tom Brady, but I don’t think you’d want any part of dealing with BB in your division.

Sounds like it is going to be a wild offseason in Beantown.

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162 Comments on “Is Doug Ready?”

  1. 1 ChoTime said at 10:55 PM on January 4th, 2018:

    Wow, the article about Brady Vs Belichick… guess winning doesn’t cure everything.

    BB to New York is an awful thought. Kind of odd that Kraft would have chosen Tom over Bill, though. Bill can’t have much left in the tank.

  2. 2 xeynon said at 11:43 PM on January 4th, 2018:

    Belichick is pretty old.. is he gonna want to start over with a young QB and a much less talented roster?

    I do think he’s a great coach and he didn’t have all this success without knowing what he’s doing, but I think there’s some Phil Jackson potential if he goes to the Giants (i.e. legacy tarnishing failure that results from no longer having a generational player at his disposal).

  3. 3 CrackSammich said at 12:03 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    If he’s not interested in a HC position anymore, I know a place that might be in the market for a DC.

  4. 4 BlindChow said at 1:01 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    You think Tom Brady, at 40, has more playing left in the tank than his coach?

  5. 5 ChoTime said at 1:20 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    Sorry, I meant it the other way around. I don’t think _Tom_ can have much left!

  6. 6 BlindChow said at 2:11 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    Ha, that makes more sense!

  7. 7 Gary Barnes said at 11:54 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    Dallas would worry me the most especially if Jerry’s son continues to have influence and can convince his father to give BB full authority. I doubt BB would leave NE unless he gets that same power.

  8. 8 sonofdman said at 12:02 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    I doubt there is any chance that BB would coach for Jerry Jones. Even if BB were given full authority, there is no way Jerry Jones would stay out of football decisions.

  9. 9 Gary Barnes said at 12:43 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    Agreed, as mentioned it would need to be driven by his son and include convincing Jerry to stay away so they could win. Jerry did that with Johnson and to a certain degree with Parcells, but his son would definitely need to run interference.

  10. 10 CrackSammich said at 11:27 PM on January 4th, 2018:

    I’d think Raiders would be the best landing spot for Darth Hoodie. A QB that, at least last year, looked like he was up and coming. Some defensive talent.

  11. 11 xeynon said at 11:45 PM on January 4th, 2018:

    Plus a fairly weak division. If he values his career winning percentage, BB will want to stay away from Wentz. It’s always easier to coach with the best QB in the league than against him. 😉

  12. 12 Julescat said at 8:06 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    screwed up lockerroom though

    BB would have to cut a lot of cancer from that team

  13. 13 Mitchell said at 11:31 PM on January 4th, 2018:

    Is Pederson the coach Chip was supposed to be?

  14. 14 Mac said at 10:34 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    yes

  15. 15 DustyRyder71 said at 11:40 PM on January 4th, 2018:

    I have a lot of respect for the Hoodie, but let’s see how great he is without getting the best QB to ever play the game with the worse of his two 6th round picks.

    Bring him on. The Eagles/Giants rivalry could use some juice.

  16. 16 or____ said at 3:55 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    ? Carson was on the cheatriots? Or Payton? Rogers?

  17. 17 xeynon said at 11:40 PM on January 4th, 2018:

    As of right now, Pederson gets an “A” from me for the job he’s done this year. The only way that gets knocked down is if the entire team comes out and craps the bed in the divisional round – if they have a good game plan and play hard (which is what I expect), there’s no way I fault him for it even if they lose given that team is down so many of his best players. If they make it to the Super Bowl it gets bumped up to an A+.

  18. 18 BlindChow said at 1:02 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    My favorite thing about Pederson is his aggressiveness on 4th down. He’s what Chip Kelly promised to be but never was.

  19. 19 xeynon said at 8:41 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    Agreed. It indicates that he’s open-minded to new ideas and not afraid to be criticized for decisions that don’t work out which be are both characteristics all the great coaches have.

  20. 20 SteveH said at 9:56 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    Chip Kelly was such a con artist, but also I wanted to buy into what he was selling, because really once he was hired, what choice did we have?

    Tangential but somewhat non-sequitar, How in the hell did Doug Pederson end up being a stud coach? He’s been better than I ever could have hoped for.

  21. 21 Howie Littlefinger said at 11:11 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    Its like when u watch a good movie but never saw the trailer to hype it. We have gotten to judge Doug over time based on merit with no hype.

    Chip was sold to us as being a savior. Doug was sold to us as “Not being a Chip”.

  22. 22 SteveH said at 3:35 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    And it really says something that “not being Chip” was cause for hope, doesn’t it?

  23. 23 Mac said at 10:31 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    He’s everything Chip Kelly wants to be.

    1. Tall
    2. Likeable
    3. Growth Mindset
    4. Aggressive
    5. Uses analytics (effectively)
    6. Respected by players
    7. Has a defense that works on an NFL level
    8. Puts players in a position to succeed

  24. 24 Gary Barnes said at 11:55 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    9. Emotional intelligence

  25. 25 wee2424 said at 3:20 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    Wow, just wow regarding BB and TV.

  26. 26 T_S_O_P said at 3:48 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    Kudos to KGH, but both Gerry and Maragos have good numbers relating to games played.

  27. 27 Jamie Parker said at 4:35 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    Belichick to the Giants scare me? Nah. The NFC East is not the AFC East. What do the Eagles have that the Jets, Bills, and Dolphins haven’t had since 2001? A big time franchise QB.

  28. 28 Stephen E. said at 1:18 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    Heck, Dak and Cousins are probably better than any starting QB in the AFC East not named Brady. But then, Cousins will probably be gone next year.

  29. 29 Jamie Parker said at 4:46 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    Some of Doug’s play calling has been shaky towards the end of games at times. Two games come to mind: the Panthers and Rams. In the Panthers game we were running well behind Peters and Wiz, but every time we ran behind Vaitai, it was a disaster. With 3 minutes left, he ran behind JP and Wiz gained 7 yds on 1st down. Then on 2nd down he ran it behind Vaitai, and lost 4 yds. we probably could’ve run the clock out had he kept running behind JP and Wiz. Then in the Rams game, every time we ran behind Lane and Brooks, we were getting seemingly 10 yards. But with 2 minutes left, he ran it behind Vaitai on 1st and 2nd down and lost a yard. He ran it behind Lane and Brooks on 3rd down and Ajayi almost broke it for a huge gain but only got about 7 yards, and giving the Rams the ball again. We ended up winning both games, but it could’ve been a lot less stressful if Doug just kept going with what was working.

  30. 30 xeynon said at 8:14 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    Results-oriented analysis/confirmation bias.

    They’ve also had running plays behind Vaitai be successful (see e.g. Ajayi’s long run against the Giants or Clement converting a crucial late game third down against the Rams) and running plays behind other OL get stuffed. You can’t run it to the same side every time. A running play behind an inferior run-blocking OL that the defense doesn’t anticipate has more chance of succeeding than one behind a great OL that the defense knows is coming.

  31. 31 Guy Media said at 8:16 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    “Results-oriented analysis/confirmation bias.”

    Easy solution; get better results.

  32. 32 Jamie Parker said at 6:50 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    I was talking about that particular game. And with only a couple of minutes left, you’re not trying to keep the defense honest. You do what’s been working the whole game.

  33. 33 xeynon said at 7:59 AM on January 6th, 2018:

    My point is that they have also had success running behind the left side of the line, both early in games and at critical moments, and you are discounting those plays while focusing on the ones that didn’t work, while on the other hand discounting failed plays to the right side and focusing on ones that did work.

    If the defense is stacking up to stop a run to the right side, it’s flat out dumb to run directly into it, even if your blockers on the other side aren’t as good.

  34. 34 PudgyPanda said at 4:49 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    Kraft is not going anywhere. Belichik could easily say “screw it, I’m going fishing” but Brady is definitely slipping and 40. Kraft could find himself with no HC, no up-and-coming QB, an aging roster and half of the coaching staff gone. A thing of beauty!

  35. 35 SteveH said at 7:21 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    Kraft is such a shithead. I remember after his wife of (googles) almost 50 years died, there was all this fuss about how terrible it was and Kraft was in mourning and what an amazing relationship they shared over the years and shit, and they showed him at a goddamn basketball game yucking it up with some failed model/actress 40 years his junior about 2 weeks after his wife died, literally as they were talking about how devastated he was about her passing.

    Yeah he seemed all torn up about it.

    I always assume super rich dudes do this anyhow, but Kraft and his “Patriot Way” self-righteous bullshit makes it so grating. Just let the unspoken knowledge that you’re banging all kinds of side pieces (that you’re wife knows about but doesn’t get angry about unless you get put in the news) hang there, don’t try and feed me some sanctimonious garbage about what a wonderful human being you are.

  36. 36 Julescat said at 8:04 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    a bit judgemental

  37. 37 xeynon said at 8:16 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    How is it judgmental to be disgusted by hypocrisy and obvious dishonesty?

  38. 38 SteveH said at 10:04 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    I think I was pissed off the most that I had to have that horseshit spat at me while I was watching an unrelated NBA game. Spare me the righteous rich man drivel, sports networks.

    Of course it’s even worse during the actual NFL games, how we have to constantly hear how NFL owners are such wonderful and generous people.

    The players too, never a bad apple among them.

  39. 39 Mac said at 10:55 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    Is there anything of which one can say, “Look! This is something new”? It was here already, long ago; it was here before our time. No one remembers the former generations, and even those yet to come will not be
    remembered by those who follow them. Ecc 1:10-11

  40. 40 Forthebirds said at 9:51 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    And his cheese stinks too.

  41. 41 SteveH said at 7:17 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    If Pederson wins the superbowl I am totally down with giving him a personal fiefdom somewhere in PA. I might even volunteer as a peasant worker for a couple of weeks in gratitude.

  42. 42 Guy Media said at 8:12 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    I suggest disbanding Pittsburgh as a city, erasing it from the record, and giving the new open space to Pederson as his personal kingdom. We’ll just build him a super train to Philadelphia from his palace.

  43. 43 bill said at 8:21 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    Just when I think you can’t possibly say anything more offensive, you go and say something like this … and totally redeem yourself. 🙂

  44. 44 Guy Media said at 8:23 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    I’m trying to save a new level of personal offensiveness if the Eagles season doesn’t extend into February.

  45. 45 Gary Barnes said at 11:59 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    Harrisburg would be better, shorter train ride and Doug could try his hand at Governor. Maybe he could get the legislature to actually work in the people’s interests instead of their own.

  46. 46 Jamie Parker said at 6:51 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    Especially if he does it against the Steelers.

  47. 47 SteveH said at 7:26 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    I hope BB leaves and the Patriots face plant so hard.

    They went 11-5 with Matt Cassel as the starter for a year for fucks sake, does Brady really believe he has 5 rings without BB? Or spygate or Adam Viniateri being an ice cold blooded monster, or the fucking tuck rule, yada yada.

  48. 48 A_T_G said at 8:02 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    He believes he has determined the correct amount of water to drink to prevent sunburn and pjs that heal you while you sleep.

    So, yes, he absolutely believes he is the reason for all those rings.

  49. 49 Guy Media said at 8:11 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    I agree. Belichick is no saint, but Brady’s BS alternative medicine nonsense is loony toons.

  50. 50 sonofdman said at 9:40 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    Not to mention that all the TB12 crap doesn’t even include the one thing (HGH) that is most likely responsible for Brady playing into his 40s.

  51. 51 SteveH said at 10:02 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    The league would never test someone like Brady. Too important to the bottom line.

    Kind of like how they’ve never popped Dwyane Wade even though he looks like a fucking chipmunk with a mouth full of nuts his cheeks are so puffed out from all the steroids he takes to hold his knees together.

    Seriously, Wade looks like he has the fucking mumps in some photos.

  52. 52 xeynon said at 8:18 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    Belichick is the most indispensable member of the trio no question. If I’m apportioning credit for their success it’s divided something like this:

    Belichick: 65%
    Brady: 35%
    Kraft: 0%

  53. 53 Guy Media said at 8:20 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    I might go 65-30-5

  54. 54 Stephen E. said at 1:21 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    Indeed. Kraft at least has to get credit for hiring and retaining his HC.

  55. 55 Tom33 said at 8:24 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    you guys are nuts. There’s no way BB wins Superbowls without Brady (with the exception of maybe the 1st one, before Brady became Brady). Just like Brady probably wouldn’t have as many (any?) without Bill.

    Problem is players get old. Montana got moved from the 49ers. Colts moved on from Payton. Pack moved on from Favre. Bill is cold enough to know this and be willing to do it. Sounds like Kraft isn’t.

    I hope the Giants keep Eli for 10 more years.

  56. 56 xeynon said at 8:31 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    Bump it up to 60-40 if you like, but while I agree with you that they are both critical I think Belichick wins at least a couple even with a less talented QB. The guy went 11-5 with freaking Matt Cassel.

  57. 57 Forthebirds said at 9:47 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    And Dallas can keep Dak. Without Elliot he is mediocre. I want to keep seeing Eli’s sad face for as many years as possible.

  58. 58 Gary Barnes said at 12:15 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    I’m not a Kraft fan, but he did hire BB and give him full authority which laid the foundation for this whole dynasty, the drafting of Brady and keeping the team winning for 20+ years. He does deserve credit for recognizing BB’s talent and giving him the resources to succeed.

    BB is the mastermind of the football operations, the best HC ever imo and a proven roster constructor – year after year with injuries, FA, trades etc. he has fielded not just competitive teams, but elite ones consistently. He is the model I’d want Roseman to emulate. The results speak for themselves: 5 SB amongst many other achievements.

    Brady imo gets the least credit, but he still is critical to their success and one of the best QB to ever play (I’d still take Montana). He takes care of his health, works incredibly hard, hates losing intensely, leads effectively and performs very consistently. He is the model I’d want Wentz to emulate.

    My take would be:

    BB: 50%
    Kraft: 30%
    Brady: 20%

  59. 59 xeynon said at 2:01 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    I’m not going to give Kraft too much (that is, any) credit for hiring and retaining Belichick or for paying Brady. Belichick was a very hot coaching candidate at the time whom anybody would’ve hired – it’s not like he was an obscure candidate. And once he started winning it would’ve been insane not to keep him. Ditto Brady once he started to develop into a superstar QB.

  60. 60 Gary Barnes said at 2:44 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    I think that is somewhat unfair.

    Kraft (with Parcells recommendation) brought BB in after he was fired from Cleveland. He had one winning season in Cleveland out of five and was viewed as not ready to be a successful HC.

    He stayed in NE for one year, then jumped to the Jets with Parcells for three seasons before Kraft grabbed him again to run the ship in NE. Kraft felt he was ready and trusted that BB could do it. Kraft could have held his leaving against him and written him off as a Parcells crony, but he saw the talent and got past the grudge (not so much with Parcells supposedly).

    There was reporting at the time and more recently about how many folks close to Kraft advised him not to hire BB including Art Modell, Cleveland owner. BB was also under contract with the Jets as HC (part of the deal with Parcells) and Kraft had to negotiate a deal, including giving up a 1st rd pick, to bring him back. It was not that popular a move in NE.

    That happened in 2000. The Pats finished 2000 with a 5-11 record yet Kraft stuck by him. Brady was selected in BB’s first draft as HC of the Pats. Pats won their first SB in 2001 with Brady taking over for Bledsoe. The rest is history as you say, but it was hardly the no-brainer to hire BB and certainly was not to draft Brady in the 6th rd. Those were smart and deserve credit imo.

  61. 61 xeynon said at 5:59 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    I’m not sure how much credence to give that reporting, given that Kraft and his people have every incentive to leak stuff that makes him look good, and a slant that says “I saw that Belichick was going to be a great coach when nobody else did” certainly qualifies. Belichick was already well known at that point for having coordinated elite defenses with the Giants and Jets and for having had some success in Cleveland before circumstances intervened, and the primary concern about him was his personality, not his qualifications. But for the sake of argument, fine, give Kraft 5% of the credit.

    There is no way he deserves anywhere close to as much of the credit as the other two however, or more of it than Brady does.

  62. 62 eagleyankfan said at 8:09 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    “Coaches, like QBs, are heavily evaluated on what they do in the postseason.” — explains why Rex Ryan and Fisher were head coaches for so long. Unbelievable how long it took NFL owners to realize how terrible these two coaches were. Rex ruined the Jets, then moved to Buff to ruin them. Fisher lasted with the Rams for how long and 1 year removed…Rams are back to the greatest show on earth and Buff in the playoffs. NFL is a better place with these guys NOT being a HC.

  63. 63 xeynon said at 8:27 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    I think coaches with certain franchises get a shorter leash. You won’t last more than 3 seasons at most if you stink it up with the Giants, Eagles, 49ers, Jets, Redskins, etc.

    However there are markets/teams where the pressure is less intense and/or the ownership is more interested in having a pliable tool than in winning, and if you get a job in one of these places you can be mediocre for a long time without being held to account for it. Fisher in Tennessee/St. Louis is a good example. Marvin Lewis in Cincy is another.

    Rex Ryan I think is like his dad or Ray Rhodes – lots of swagger, and so was able to talk his way into a couple of jobs, but has been figured out at this point and won’t be hired again.

  64. 64 Bert's Bells said at 11:04 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    Rex made the Jets a viable operation. Woody Johnson is 100% responsible for them being a joke.

  65. 65 Guy Media said at 8:14 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    I’d predict Belichick goes to the Dolphins if he leaves New England………and turns Suh loose on Brady.

  66. 66 bill said at 8:18 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    My guess is BB is going to be a part of no other organization. Once he leaves NE for another team, the leaks about all the shady (read:cheating) stuff that went on there will be constant. Kraft is much better off keeping him, or promoting him to a well paid “President of Football Operations” that is essentially a retirement with presence at the facility.

  67. 67 Guy Media said at 8:26 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    Kraft better hope that doesn’t boomerang back on him.

  68. 68 Mac said at 10:25 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    Why not team up with Puff Daddy and own the Panthers?

  69. 69 Dave said at 9:12 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    Reading the ESPN article on the Patriots, a few things stick out.

    1.) Belichick is an asshole
    2.) Brady is an asshole

  70. 70 Guy Media said at 9:16 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    3) Brady’s “trainer” is a complete quack.

  71. 71 Dave said at 9:23 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    Tom Brady is the athlete version of Tom Cruise.

  72. 72 sonofdman said at 9:36 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    That is a great comparison

  73. 73 xeynon said at 9:40 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    I actually came out of reading it somewhat more sympathetic to Belichick than I was before. It didn’t tell us that anything about him being an asshole that we didn’t already know, really. But it did reveal that Brady is not the selfless team-first superstar he has liked to be portrayed as.

  74. 74 Guy Media said at 9:43 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    I did as well.

  75. 75 Dave said at 10:03 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    I can’t find sympathy for a coach who cheated his way to more than 1 Superbowl win.

  76. 76 SteveH said at 10:07 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    If I had 2 wishes 1 would be for world peace and an end to hunger, and the other would be to know what all the evidence was that Goodell destroyed in the wake of the spygate investigation.

    My favorite revelation was that they used to dress up low level Pats staffers in official NFL apparel and go steal opposing teams first 15 or first 20 play plans from the opposing locker rooms before games.

    Spygate was about more than some goon taping some walkthroughs on Saturdays, but we’ll probably never get to know how extensive it was.

  77. 77 jshort said at 2:51 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    Think I’d use one of those wishes on hitting the power ball. Don’t they use that 1st wish of yours a lot in beauty pageants?

  78. 78 SteveH said at 3:34 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    It’s the socially acceptable answer.

  79. 79 Bert's Bells said at 11:01 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    I think Belichick is an incredibly smart guy and a great coach. It’s on the league that he and the Patriots weren’t substantially penalized for all their rule breaking. Like most rich people -he keeps bending the law and breaking the law because there are no repercussions.

  80. 80 Dave said at 12:20 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    Belichick is considered a great coach based on his team’s win/loss records and multiple Superbowl wins.

    I absolutely question both of those achievements.

    His first 3 Superbowl wins are a direct result of cheating.

    His overall record is padded due to playing in the horrible AFC East during his tenure. In reality, the Patriots start out with a record of 5-1 every year due to the lousy Bills, Jets and Dolphins being on their schedule.

    Add in Adam Vinatieri making some absolute clutch kicks and the tuck rule (not to mention Matty Ice’s inability to hold onto a 3 score lead), there has never been a professional sports team have some many things go right over such a long period.

    I know I’m pissing and moaning about the past, but if Pete Rose was banned for life in baseball for gambling, how the hell has Belichick still coaching and considered one of the best ever when he was caught cheating over multiple years and at the games highest level?

    “Like most rich people -he keeps bending the law and breaking the law because there are no repercussions.” I 100% agree with this statement.

  81. 81 Gary Barnes said at 12:40 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    Pete Rose knew he was breaking the cardinal rule of MLB (it was posted on every clubhouse door) and what the penalties would be if caught…and he did it anyway both as a player and manager.

    The NFL rules on cheating are largely non-existent, vague or contradictory. They are under the control of the commish who seems to make things up as he goes for mainly political or self-preservation “defend the shield” reasons.

  82. 82 jshort said at 2:40 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    Community immunity

  83. 83 Man Of War said at 12:27 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    how else would you win so much?

  84. 84 CTbirdsguy said at 2:48 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    I texted my Patriots fan friend to try and rib him about Brady, and boy I regret it. Here’s what I got in response, roughly: “that article is hot garbage because they dont have “real sources”…refer to the pats’ statement…ESPN’s ratings suck…ESPN is fake news…look at that other time Seth Wickersham had a story that Richard Sherman disputed…we win so much so we have haters…keep hating hater”

    Jeez, the besieged mentality and tribalism is out of control with that fanbase, and reminiscent of some other spheres of life…

  85. 85 RobNE said at 3:29 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    wow wonder who he voted for

  86. 86 CTbirdsguy said at 3:44 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    Im pretty sure he didn’t, which is what really makes the parallelism fascinating to me

  87. 87 xeynon said at 5:52 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    When the Patriots inevitably fall – which looks like it will happen sooner rather than later – I am looking forward to delighting in the misery of Pats fans. They are a truly insufferable fan base.

  88. 88 Forthebirds said at 9:40 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    Let me settle this Patriots controversy once and for all. It’s the guy who fills Brady’s balls with air (take that however you want) who is most responsible for the team’s success.

  89. 89 Bert's Bells said at 10:58 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    Doesn’t the guy release pressure from his testicles?

    I mean balls.

  90. 90 Dragon_Eagle said at 4:04 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    Isn’t that Giselle’s job?

  91. 91 SteveH said at 9:58 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    This shit with TB12 and the quack doctor and whatnot, Brady genuinely sounds like he’s becoming delusional, like in a medically diagnosable way. Water that prevents sunburn and concussions? This is some really way out there stuff.

  92. 92 Gary Barnes said at 12:20 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    He and Russell Wilson should compare notes

  93. 93 SteveH said at 3:34 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    God didn’t tell Brady to keep Gisele pure, lucky for Tom, God instead communicated him the secret to concussion water when he looked in the mirror.

  94. 94 Man Of War said at 12:26 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    yeah he is way out there in the stratosphere of athletes

  95. 95 ChoTime said at 2:24 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    Not necessarily delusional. There is something called the placebo effect.

  96. 96 SteveH said at 10:15 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    Since the hot topic is organizational shakeup, how about the Packers firing everyone but McCarthy? Of course since it’s the Packers they’ll hire an in house GM who will suck as bad as Ted Thompson, McCarthy will promote in house coaches who will be scapegoated again in the future, and Aaron Rodgers will probably continue to swim in piles of money to numb the pain of knowing he’s never going to win another Super Bowl.

    Seriously, the Packers lucked into a generational talent with the 24th fucking pick and have wasted so many prime seasons.

  97. 97 BlindChow said at 12:54 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    Honestly, I think Rodgers must be backing McCarthy for them to keep him and fire everyone else, as this would’ve been the perfect time to clean house completely.

    That is, assuming they realize that Rodgers is basically the entire reason they’ve been successful up to that point. (And if not, perhaps this is one of the drawbacks of not having a singular “owner” making these decisions…)

  98. 98 xeynon said at 8:18 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    If Rodgers is going to the mat for McCarthy that’s just dumb.. I honestly think he’d have won 2 or 3 Super Bowls by now if he had a better coach.

  99. 99 BlindChow said at 12:43 AM on January 6th, 2018:

    It’s weird how great QB play can make a coach look better.

  100. 100 xeynon said at 7:54 AM on January 6th, 2018:

    I don’t think anyone thinks Rodgers makes McCarthy looks better. McCarthy consistently makes dumb decisions re: challenges and fourth downs, mismanages the clock, etc. He’s a good game-planner, but a poor game day coach. This seems to be the consensus I see among football fans.

  101. 101 Johnnydeagle said at 10:32 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    Lance Armstrong, err… Bill Belicheat and his cheatriots will eventually be stripped of their accomplishments.
    Read the book “Spygate the Untold Story” by Bryan O’Leary.

  102. 102 Howie Littlefinger said at 10:54 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    I have been quietly impressed with Gerry being a future player for this team. He looked fluid in coverage and aggressive towards the ball.

  103. 103 or____ said at 12:02 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    I have been not quietly but quite impressed with him (in limited sample size albeit) #MediaMike/#GuyMedia

  104. 104 Howie Littlefinger said at 1:51 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    I mean I’m trying not to over hype him but maybe next year when hicks goes down we see him instead of Joe Walker or an Ellerbe situation.

    I think with guys like Ags, Mills, Gerry and Clement u are starting to see the affect of good coaching.

  105. 105 Bert's Bells said at 1:54 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    At the very least he’s competent depth. Like a more athletic Najee Goode.

  106. 106 or____ said at 1:58 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    I’m not certain of that quite yet. But promising.

  107. 107 Bert's Bells said at 2:36 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    Agree. Should have said “looks like he could be…” so far he’s played like it’s possible.

  108. 108 or____ said at 2:01 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    Yeah cautious optimism for now sure. But promising nonetheless.

  109. 109 xeynon said at 2:05 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    He’s a bit light in the butt to be a MLB – he only goes about 220.

    I can see him as an excellent ST player but unless he puts on some muscle and learns how to shed blocks the way a LB has to I don’t think he’s a guy you can get away with playing extended snaps from scrimmage at MLB.

  110. 110 A Roy said at 2:35 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    MLB? Hell, he’s too light for Will. Have you looked at him? He’s as big as he can get…with or without the miracle of modern chemicals. I agree with you that Special Teams is his niche, but never, ever Mike or Sam. and only backup Will.

  111. 111 xeynon said at 7:25 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    I don’t disagree with you. I’m not the one who suggested he could be a backup MLB.

  112. 112 xeynon said at 1:57 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    He was a safety in college (albeit one not known primarily for his coverage skills), so it’s not surprising that he’d be outstanding in coverage for a LB.

  113. 113 RobNE said at 10:56 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    I’m here for all the Pats hate/talk today. My take is that the part about the trainer is whatevs, It’s just BS stuff, I get it but that’s not the story. The story is if Kraft told BB to trade Jimmy. But I still don’t know how they could keep him, so is this even much of a story. He was turning down their offers to remain the backup. He was a FA after the year.

    I’ll take BB and Brady are both here next year and win the AFC over any other scenario you guys are throwing out.

  114. 114 unhinged said at 11:18 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    If you’re playing the odds, I guess the Pats had to placate Brady, but it seems like they could have snagged more than a 2nd for Garoppalo. I agree that B&B will return next season, but father time will interrupt Brady’s REM sleep at some point.

  115. 115 sonofdman said at 12:00 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    My impression from the article was the Belichek took less than he could have gotten for Garrapolo to put him in a situation where he would have a good chance to succeed. This way Belichek can be proven right when Garrapolo is good.

  116. 116 Tom33 said at 11:38 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    Finally read the piece. If they really offered him $17-$18 mil/year for a 4 year deal to be a backup they really were playing the long game. But it sounds like Jimmy G wanted his chance to shine and Kraft blinked. Can you imagine if they had traded Brady to SF instead? That would have taken some stones.

  117. 117 RobNE said at 11:52 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    he will make a lot more and start. They tried to hedge their bet, reasonably, and he reasonable said no. Given that, I don’t really see how the assertion that Kraft made BB trade Jimmy makes much sense.

  118. 118 sonofdman said at 11:58 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    One possibility is that Belichek want to move on from Brady after this season and sign Garrapolo long term or at least franchise him. Or BB at least wanted to keep that as an option so they could make a decision based on Brady’s play after the season.

  119. 119 RobNE said at 12:02 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    yes, could be.

  120. 120 xeynon said at 1:56 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    The 49ers moved on from Montana (in my mind the only QB with a case to be called the GOAT as strong as Brady’s) when it became clear his body was breaking down and Steve Young wouldn’t wait forever. There would’ve been precedent.

  121. 121 Dave said at 11:51 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    I think the real story is that Jimmy G was traded at the behest of Tom Brady.

    The only reason Brady is in the position he is today is due to injuries to Drew Beldsoe. He knew all too well his body was breaking down (as evidence by his lack of practice time this year for his achilles and other injuries). With nobody to back him up (Brissett, Garappolo), he would not be surpassed by Hoyer or a rookie in 2018.

    Tom Brady’s self-preservation tactics come at the expense of the future of the team, his coach, and owner.

  122. 122 CTbirdsguy said at 2:54 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    No, I think ultimately the team traded Garoppolo due to circumstance and having no other choice thanks to Brady continuing to play well. But what really raised my eyebrows was how Garoppolo got frozen out of the TB12 training facility for a while, and then how Brady allegedly was exuberant when they unloaded Jimmy G. As if I could root harder for the downfall of the Pats and the revenge success of Jimmy G

  123. 123 anon said at 11:58 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    brady is from san mateo – he did it for his hometown team, couldn’t bear watching them suffer anymore

  124. 124 unhinged said at 11:18 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    A 66 year-old Belichick with an older GM that Belichick may or may not tell to go to hell. I’ll take Bill with Eli vs Doug with Carson any day of the week. What would be curious is how Robert Kraft would take it. Tisch and Mara can laugh at the self-anointed envy of the league, because he’s never beaten them. That would probably really sting.

  125. 125 Man Of War said at 12:23 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    wrong Carson crushes eli everyday of the week

  126. 126 unhinged said at 3:18 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    I guess I didn’t word that correctly. I am an Eagles fan from birth. I will take BB coaching Eli vs Doug coaching Carson ANY day. I like the matchup. We agree.

  127. 127 xeynon said at 5:50 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    Meh. Eli’s really not a great QB, especially at this point in his career, and while Belichick is a great coach, he’s not invincible. He has never had to deal with a QB as good as Wentz in his own division.

  128. 128 Ryan Rambo said at 11:54 AM on January 5th, 2018:

    https://youtu.be/8uJvLKq8gmo

  129. 129 or____ said at 12:34 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    Really hope Joe Douglas doesn’t leave. (Texans interview report)

  130. 130 Dragon_Eagle said at 4:08 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    What? uh oh. That sounds more damaging that losing Flip or the Schwartz.

  131. 131 or____ said at 4:19 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    Indeed. See bleeding green nation. And a pft report I believe.

  132. 132 Stephen E. said at 12:40 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    Did Kamu actually make a tackle on his own kickoff? I saw the video where he actually went down and blew up two blockers on one of his kicks, but if he made the tackle on one that’s awesome.

  133. 133 Someguy77 said at 12:48 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    Belicheck vs Brady feud and the current state doesn’t surprise. Both are hypercompetitive and so obsessed with winning that they will whatever it takes including cheating repeatedly if necessary even for a tiny incremental edge.

    It doesn’t surprise me that Belicheck was going to possibly move on from Brady. This was a guy after all who cut Kosar in Cleveland, was unapologetic, and received FBI protection after he got repeated death threats.

    Moving on from Brady was the smart play too after this season irregardless of the season outcome. Yeah it would have caused a shit storm in Boston if they won the Super Bowl and traded Brady.

    I don’t care what nutrition or crazy monk-like routine Brady follows daily. You can only defy the aging process for so long and he maybe has 1-2 solid years left after this one.

    Belicheck has treated a number of other key Patriots’ players coldly and trading them when he felt their usefulnesses to the team was overweighed by their contract or likely on field performance.

    He did that starting with Lawyer Milloy and has done it repeatedly. It is one of the reasons the Pats have stayed on top for so long.

  134. 134 Mac said at 1:14 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    All good things come to an end. Fortunately, all bad things come to an end as well.

  135. 135 xeynon said at 2:08 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    I agree. The end tends to come fast when it comes in the NFL – look at what happened to Peyton, who went from an NFL MVP candidate to worse than Brock Osweiler in one calendar year.

    Brady has already shown signs of slippage and without Belichick there to scheme around them I don’t think it’ll be long before it becomes enough of a problem that they can no longer win with him.

  136. 136 Someguy77 said at 10:38 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    Lived in Boston at the time and saw how Lawyer Milloy got treated which was just cold-blooded.

    Milloy played a big role in the 2001 season including having a good game vs Rams in the Super Bowl. He was the defensive co-captain and a team captain all year along.

    Milloy had another decent year in 2002 and was the defensive captain and a team captain.

    Belichick wanted him to renegotiate his contract after the 2002 season, the two sides couldn’t come to an agreed pay cut, and Belichick just cut Milloy 5 days before the season opener without telling anyone on the team before hand.

    Didn’t even repeatedly try to trade him either at the last minute for peanuts. Just DFA. It was Belichick saying ‘I’m in charge and your a nobody.’

    Defensive veterans showed up to Foxboro and were stunned. It just showed me how just ruthless Belichick was going to be.

    Bills went on to smash the Pats in the 2003 season opener winning 31-0. Brady was 14-29 for 123 and 4 INTs (his worst game as a Pat) and it is still the biggest defeat in Belicheck’s tenure as the Pats’ coach.

    Belicheck didn’t even acknowledge/answer questions about Milloy after that game in the post-game.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlTQcHmIE6Y

  137. 137 daveH said at 1:15 AM on January 6th, 2018:

    You win with irregardless

  138. 138 Tdoteaglefan said at 1:48 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    The Raiders just gave Gruden a 10 year $100 Million Dollar Contract
    W
    T
    F

  139. 139 xeynon said at 2:09 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    I’m not going to complain about other teams being dumb. Makes the job easier for the Eagles.

  140. 140 RobNE said at 2:56 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    shows you how ridiculously high the valuation of the teams are, when an owner can think that it doesn’t matter if he pays Gruden for 5 or 6 years for not working.

    owning a team is like the best play there is

  141. 141 Bert's Bells said at 3:33 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    For real. What are the odds that ANY coach lasts 10 years, let alone Gruden who’s longest coaching tenure is half that?

    He is still relatively young, so it’s not like they’re giving free money to Tom Coughlin or some geezer like that.

  142. 142 Mr. Magee said at 6:01 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    Is the whole thing guaranteed? I guess all NFL HC’s salaries are, but in the case of a 10 year deal you’d think Davis would give himself an out.

  143. 143 Julescat said at 6:43 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    plus what kind of allowance for losing does Gruden get? is he allowed to blow up the team and rebuild?

  144. 144 Insomniac said at 2:57 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    From what I know from reading about things about Mark Davis, this deal was probably written and honored on a napkin while both guys were hammered at Buffalo Wild Wings.

  145. 145 SteveH said at 3:36 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    Now I see why Gruden is leaving the booth. How could you turn that kind of money down?

  146. 146 Man Of War said at 2:24 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    doug?
    he isn’t ready, never was, had carson that’s what.
    now he has foles and will lose accordingly

  147. 147 ChoTime said at 11:33 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    That’s not a good take.

  148. 148 BlindChow said at 12:10 AM on January 6th, 2018:

    https://i.imgur.com/gAoX6Oy.png

  149. 149 ChoTime said at 12:20 AM on January 6th, 2018:

    Okay, I’m a believer, he’s out.

  150. 150 xeynon said at 7:50 AM on January 6th, 2018:

    Seriously, I didn’t even know which troll you were feeding until I happened to visit the site from a browser I wasn’t logged into.. I remain very happy I blocked that guy.

  151. 151 PhanFromAfar said at 3:06 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    Fuck New England.

  152. 152 Dragon_Eagle said at 6:43 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    Yeah, fuck New England with a bomb cyclone.

  153. 153 bobeph said at 10:46 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    you are an idiot with your language

  154. 154 Dave said at 3:12 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    https://twitter.com/billbarnwell/status/949350170747199491

  155. 155 sonofdman said at 3:58 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    LOL

  156. 156 xeynon said at 8:17 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    Seriously, that was the most bizarre detail of the whole story. It amazes me to think that with all he’s accomplished Brady would still be so insecure as to be bothered by something as picayune as this.

  157. 157 Dragon_Eagle said at 8:05 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    Tom Brady, Bill Belichick, Robert Kraft, Jon Gruden, Steve Bannon, and California’s pot laws. There’s a good South Park episode in here.

  158. 158 Insomniac said at 9:27 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    Who are we rooting for this weekend?

    Personally

    Chiefs > Titans
    Falcons > Rams
    Jags > Bills
    Panthers > Saints

  159. 159 Someguy77 said at 11:03 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    Panthers in a big way. Eagles aren’t beating the Saints.

  160. 160 xeynon said at 11:41 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    They aren’t playing the Saints if the Falcons win.

  161. 161 xeynon said at 11:43 PM on January 5th, 2018:

    Chiefs (Andy factor)
    Falcons (easier divisional opponent for us)
    Bills (been a generation since they made the playoffs; sentimental favorite)
    Panthers (my dad lives in Charlotte and is a quasi-Panthers fan, plus there’s lingering Bountygate distaste for the Saints)

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