Year of the Goblin

Posted: January 18th, 2018 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 282 Comments »

The Eagles drafted Jalen Mills in the 7th round of the 2016 draft. The big question at the time was whether he would play S or CB. Mills had played both in college and it wasn’t clear where the Eagles preferred him.

Jim Schwartz fell in love with the precocious rookie very quickly. Mills was far from perfect, but carried himself like a confident veteran. He had the right combination of skills, confidence, attitude and coachability.

Mills started twice as a rookie, but finished 5th on the team in tackles. He got plenty of playing time. There were some ugly moments, like getting beaten by Alshon Jeffery for a big play. Mills did show enough promise that the Eagles felt comfortable with him as a potential starter in 2017.

There was an open competition at CB in the spring and summer, with just about everyone on Earth getting a shot. Mills won a job and started the whole year. He played well enough to be a 3rd alternate to the Pro Bowl. Mills finished 4th on the team in tackles, picked off 3 passes and broke up 14 others. That’s a darn good year.

Numbers don’t always tell the whole story and that’s certainly true here.

Mills was covering Julio Jones on 4th down with the game on the line in the divisional round of the playoffs. The pass was thrown to Jones, but Mills had him well-covered and the pass was incomplete.

Think about that for a minute. Jalen Mills vs Julio Jones. To every person on the planet, that was a huge mismatch. Well, all but one. Mills probably felt he was perfect for that assignment and wondered if Jones could handle him.

This wasn’t the first time that Mills made an impact play. The Eagles were struggling with the Niners at midseason. Mills picked off a pass late in the 1st half and ran it back for a TD. That broke the game open and the Eagles won easily. Go back to the season opener. The Skins drove down into scoring territory. Kirk Cousins was under pressure and forced a pass into coverage. Mills picked it off. That kept the Skins from even getting a FG and helped the Eagles to get off to a 1-0 start.

Mills had a key pass break-up in the Oakland game. Michael Crabtree would have had a 1st down at the 2-yard line, but Mills got a hand on the ball and knocked it away. The Eagles might not win that game without that play. Mills also picked off a pass late in the win over the Panthers.

There are more than a few plays that Mills would like to have back. He got burned for a long TD in the Raiders game. He had a costly holding penalty in the win over the Giants a few weeks back. He had a couple of pass interference penalties in the Carolina game.

Jalen Mills isn’t and won’t ever be a shutdown corner. He is a tough, competitive corner that will tackle and make some plays. The Eagles defense doesn’t finish 4th in yards and points without him. He’s been very good this year.

Sunday will be his biggest challenge of the year. The Vikings have a pair of terrific WRs. This is the kind of stage Mills wants. The NFC Championship on the line and good competition for him.

He doesn’t have to be perfect. He just has to find a way to make a big play at the key moment, kind of like he’s done all year.


282 Comments on “Year of the Goblin”

  1. 1 DustyRyder71 said at 1:25 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    “Jalen Mills isn’t and won’t ever be a shutdown corner.”

    Just don’t ever tell him that.

  2. 2 BlindChow said at 5:20 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    I’ve always hated when writers throw in these kind of blanket statements about the future. You see them at the end of a lot Tommy’s articles when he specifically praises a player or the team. It’s like he feels he has to throw in some hedges so he doesn’t appear too homer-ish.

    At least throw in a “probably,” Tommy!

  3. 3 CrackSammich said at 7:28 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say he’s not Revis in his prime, or even as good as Lattimore as a rookie. But he gets it done.

  4. 4 BlindChow said at 12:04 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Neither of which Tommy said, and neither of which I objected to.

    He’s in his 2nd year as a 7th round pick. Maybe hold off on saying definitively what his ceiling is going to be throughout his entire career?

  5. 5 meteorologist said at 12:06 PM on January 18th, 2018:

  6. 6 Mac said at 1:20 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    They’re missing a 6 at the top of that image.

  7. 7 sonofdman said at 1:54 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    You could argue that he has that backwards: Character sets the floor and talent sets the ceiling.

    For example, no matter how good my character, I would not be able to raise my ceiling to be that of an NFL player. On the other hand, a person with all the talent in the world can be a complete failure if they have a bad character/attitude/work ethic.

  8. 8 Mac said at 5:05 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Character gets your foot in the door, but you’ll only get as far as you’re willing to cheat.

  9. 9 Green Goblin Swag said at 8:45 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    I love Mills as much as anyone here, clearly but It’s most likely true. Then again we don’t need him to be a shutdown corner. Keep the play in front, make a tackle and occasionally jump a route and get a pick.

    That’s all we really ask the CBs to do in this scheme.

  10. 10 Green Goblin Swag said at 8:47 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    There’s no need for any Homer phobia around here probably Tommy,

  11. 11 xeynon said at 9:41 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Mills ran a 4.48 at his pro day which isn’t shutdown corner speed, and he doesn’t have the length of a guy like Richard Sherman to make up for it.

    I think it’s unlikely he’ll ever be a shutdown CB, but your point is nevertheless well-taken. Expressing things in way-too-certain terms is a really common vice in sports media.

  12. 12 Buge Halls said at 10:10 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Sherman – sheesh! He makes one lucky play in the playoffs in his first (or 2nd?) year by tipping a ball the slightest bit and suddenly he’s the best corner since Prime. He’s got the reputation now and nobody challenges him – just like Nnamdi Asomugha was supposed to be!

  13. 13 xeynon said at 10:15 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Sherman is (or at least was) a legitimately great player.

  14. 14 Mac said at 10:39 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    I think that’s debatable. He excelled in a system that played to his strengths, with a high level of talent at all other DB positions, and was routinely allowed to play “thug” style CB by the refs.

    For my .02 he is one of the most overrated players in the league. Hypothetically, I believe that if you drop him in on any other team he’s just a guy at best, and possibly a liability on a team that collects a lot of laundry (like our Eagles or the Raiders).

  15. 15 xeynon said at 10:48 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    He excelled in a system that played to his strengths

    This is true of literally every NFL player who plays at a high level.

  16. 16 Mac said at 11:07 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    And I’m arguing that he wouldn’t play at this level on any team that isn’t Seattle.

    He might be ok on the ’91 Eagles team as a backup.

  17. 17 xeynon said at 11:33 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Peters would not be as dominant in a system that required him to run a ton of extra plays and have greater stamina (he wasn’t as good when he was playing in Chip’s up tempo system). Julio would not be as dominant playing in a system that didn’t properly utilize his elite speed or leaping ability (he wasn’t as good this year in Sarkisian’s system as he was last year in Shanahan’s). Tomlinson would not be as dominant in a pass happy system that didn’t give him the ball at least 20 times a game. I’m not sure that I agree with your argument re: those players.

    But even if I grant you the point, I think what I said definitely applies at least to every CB in the league, because the defensive backfield is such a system-dependent part of a defense. If you take in-his-prime Darrelle Revis and put him in a Tampa-style cover 2, you are wasting the ability that makes him special. DBs are always most effective when they’re playing a system that emphasizes their strengths.

  18. 18 Mac said at 11:43 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    The super elite DB is about as rare as the super elite QB.

    I’m not even close to considering Sherman in that category. In my view, he’s more akin to Jalen Mills than he is to Revis. His elite skill is holding without drawing a flag. Maybe that works on another team… but it definitely works in Seattle where they game plan to mug the other teams WRs so often that the refs can’t possibly flag all the penalties.

  19. 19 xeynon said at 11:47 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Ehh. I think you’re drinking the Haterade a bit too much.

    Sherman can annoy me but I have no problem saying he’s an outstanding player.

  20. 20 Mac said at 1:26 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Could be.

  21. 21 BlindChow said at 11:59 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    I’d reverse it, too. I think if Mills was on that Seahawks defense, people would be raving about how he’s the next Richard Sherman.

  22. 22 meteorologist said at 12:04 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    He ran 4.6+ at the combine

  23. 23 meteorologist said at 12:07 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    It’s a vice because people want it

  24. 24 BlindChow said at 12:19 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Mills ran 4.61 at the Combine. Sherman ran 4.60.

    However, you are right. Sherman is 2.5 inches taller. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve watched Mills get beaten and said, “Man, if only he was 3 inches taller!!” because clearly that was the only thing holding him back…

  25. 25 xeynon said at 12:48 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    IIRC Mills was supposedly nursing an injury at the combine. He did run faster at the LSU pro day so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt on that.. he’s no burner either way though.

    With Sherman, I think it’s a combination of height, arm length, and physical strength. At his peak he was outstanding at jamming guys coming off the line, and his ability to leap and get his hands up helped compensate for his lack of top end speed. Mills is not the jam player Sherman is, in addition to not being as big.

  26. 26 DustyRyder71 said at 5:27 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    BLG is the king of hedges. He’s petrified to put himself out there on anything.

  27. 27 eagleyankfan said at 7:16 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    it’s not the first time he has used those words to describe JM.

  28. 28 Insomniac said at 1:29 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Is it safe to say that Gym Shorts was right about Rowe this entire time?

  29. 29 Dave said at 7:42 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    He knew Rowe was going to get injured?

  30. 30 Buge Halls said at 10:12 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    “injured” so he only costs a 4th not a 3rd?

  31. 31 Insomniac said at 6:03 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    For the sake of arguing, yes. Yes he did.

  32. 32 Donald Kalinowski said at 10:39 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Eric Rowe was much much better than Leodis McKelvin.

  33. 33 Insomniac said at 6:02 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    That’s like saying Cary Williams was so much better than Bradley Fletcher. That’s just way too easy.

  34. 34 PudgyPanda said at 4:29 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    I wonder if this would happen in Philadelphia?

  35. 35 eagleyankfan said at 7:15 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    RPO. Nobody ever really used it until Saturday morning. Now – nobody can shut up about it. RPO. RPO. RPO. Know what set that play up? RPO. Know why that pass worked? RPO. Know why it’s so windy – RPO. PUKE.
    Watching all those offensive line plays(there were 1000 of them) makes you feel like the Eagles should have won that game 40 – 10. There were pancake blocks all over. Lineman running down field making plays. As it showed on the previous thread – Ajayi was taking chunks of yards off at a time during that scoring drive. What happened the rest of the game? (is the answer the difference between Wentz and Foles?)

  36. 36 bobeph said at 7:20 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    yep, you listen to everyone comment on the game, you’d think philly did win 40 to 0, but if they stick that ball in the endzone one more time, all these commentators would be right, so yes the difference was between foles and wentz, but a win is a win

  37. 37 xeynon said at 9:40 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Ajayi fumbled in Atlanta territory on one possession and the Falcons played good red zone defense (which is different than defense between the twenties) on the others. What do you mean “what happened?”

  38. 38 eagleyankfan said at 1:53 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    so — you’re saying — all of clips of the linemen being superman are a farce because once into the redzone — those same guys couldn’t do the job?

  39. 39 xeynon said at 2:58 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    No, I’m saying that even if the linemen are pancaking guys in a conventional defense, it’s different in the red zone. Defenders are bunched closer together and the back seven can support the run more aggressively because they have less field to defend and don’t have to worry about getting burned deep. How many times have you seen a goal line play where the OL gets leverage and puts the DL down, but a LB steps up into the hole to make a tackle?

    It’s harder to both run and pass in the red zone. That’s why there are so many offenses that can move the ball well between the 20s but have trouble scoring points.

  40. 40 meteorologist said at 12:19 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Wasting downs giving the ball to Blount. Turnovers, Foles not being Wentz

  41. 41 Dragon_Eagle said at 7:45 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Did you guys catch this link from BGN? Minnesota Fox News talking about going to Philadelphia and the Linc with warnings and advice for fans.

    “It gets pretty notorious down there.”

  42. 42 CrackSammich said at 8:02 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Speak for yourselves. I intend to be the people your parents warned you about.

  43. 43 A_T_G said at 8:04 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    The b-roll footage during the report was Will Smith getting tossed on the playground from the Fresh Prince opening, probably.

  44. 44 Crus57 said at 11:26 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    I’d say they should move to Bel Air to feel safer, but Eagles fans already took over LA twice.

  45. 45 Masked Man said at 11:36 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    The streets are very safe here. It’s the people you have to watch!

  46. 46 Julescat said at 9:13 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    to be fair, when I had season tickets (in the days of the Vet), I witnessed many fights. I sat on the end of a row and it seemed like the entire first half I had to get up to let people by to get beer. The second half was letting people by to hit the bathroom. The halftime cutoff of beer meant a mad rush to buy before last call.

    The worst game was a Monday night against the Giants. the lower seats were all bought by NY fans. When the game ended all of the Giants fans had to climb the steps past a gauntlet of Eagles fans. The animosity of the fans yelling at each other all game sparked a huge brawl in my section. Security came and had trouble keeping the fans apart. There were a lot of innocent bystanders who got caught up in the battle.

    If I were a Vikings fan going to the game, I would wear my Vikings gear under a coat and not cheer wildly if Minnesota does well. Be polite and maybe by a beer for the Eagles fan sitting next to you.

  47. 47 P_P_K said at 11:17 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    I love our rowdy fans and I consider myself one, but the good-old days were not so good. I used to vend at the Vet as a part-time job, I was a souvenir salesman. I was a college student and it was great. Even when I didn’t work, I had a pass to every game and concert. I would work Phillies games on weekends but stopped working the Eagles games. There were too many mean drunks. In my opinion, it went beyond fandom and into real violence and cruelty. It got to the point where women were unsafe and I know guys stopped bringing their kids. That the Police Dept actually put a Court in the stadium is revealing.

  48. 48 Donald Kalinowski said at 10:34 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    My parents are immigrants and are huge Eagles fans. Back in the early 00s we were scared to go to any of the games because of the reputation the fans had.

    I went to the Linc in 2010 and the place was pretty decent. I’m guessing that the people cleaned up with the new stadium and more expensive tickets?

  49. 49 kajomo said at 10:51 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    I know most fans get annoyed with the Philly fan reputation, but I love it.

    That’s right, come to our stadium at your own risk. You wear another team’s jersey maybe you die. Better stay at home so a crazy ass, loud as hell eagles fan can have your ticket. HFA – we protect our home.

    Now I’m not condoning anyone actually doing anything violent to another fan, but I don’t mind the reputation. Also if you wear another jersey you are an AAAASSSSSSHHHHOOOOOOLLLLLLEEEEE!

  50. 50 daveH said at 7:52 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Reverend Mills
    I hate the name green goblin. .for me we had a minister in Valley Forge. .he was older, calm and very well respected.

  51. 51 Green Goblin Swag said at 8:40 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    U gotta get right with it , Ur gonna hear it here for a while 🙂

  52. 52 daveH said at 12:42 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    I hope he is here playing tough for years!
    Masked Man called him SKITTLES . Does anyone else cam him that? That’s a very cool nickname imho

  53. 53 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 8:29 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Prediction: Mills will be a good safety some day.

  54. 54 Green Goblin Swag said at 8:39 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Sweet about time my dude gets some love

  55. 55 Dragon_Eagle said at 12:22 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Mrs. Mills?

  56. 56 Green Goblin Swag said at 5:19 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    lmao got me

  57. 57 Gary Barnes said at 8:44 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    I see Mills as a S longer term – give me Darby & Jones with Robinson in the slot.

    I’m not a fan of the “look at me” attitude and finger wagging bs, but, whatever, it can be ok if his performance on the field continues to improve.

    The good thing is our secondary seems to be much better than it was this time last season.

  58. 58 nicolajNN said at 9:32 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    I understand not liking his attitude on the field, I’m not the biggest fan either. It will drive you nuts during bad stretches, but it’s not a bad one to have as a corner, short term memory, nothing seems to faze him, and it can annoy the opposition.

  59. 59 Gary Barnes said at 10:14 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    If it works for him and the team is ok with it, so be it. As a fan, the “look at me” players are not the ones I follow. Give me humble, mature and respected leaders like Celek, Peters, Cole, Jenkins, Dawk, Westbrook all day long.

  60. 60 xeynon said at 9:37 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Robinson is likely gone after this season. He’s played well but I don’t think you can justify spending the money it will take to keep him when you have Darby-Jones-Mills-Douglas all under 25 years old and under contract at the position.

  61. 61 Gary Barnes said at 10:08 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Good point – I do not see Mills in the slot so maybe Douglas picks that up or we find another external option.

  62. 62 xeynon said at 10:13 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    I think Mills would do fine in the slot against the bigger, stronger type slot receivers (JMatt, Larry Fitzgerald, etc.) but would struggle against the quick shifty guys like Beasley. I agree it’s not a perfect fit for him. Long-term he may be a safety but I suspect they’ll continue to play him at CB for the foreseeable future. Could shift Darby or Jones inside to play slot on nickel downs.

  63. 63 kajomo said at 10:41 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    I don’t think he breaks the bank and CB is one of those positions you can never have enough of. If Jalen moves to safety in the corey graham role you can certainly justify keeping Robinson.

  64. 64 xeynon said at 10:47 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Sure, they can at least feel him out to see how much money he wants. I’m not sure I want to spend more on him than he’s making this season though. Money’s only part of it – there are only so many snaps to go around, and with Douglas and Jones both likely to be ready for bigger roles next season there will be fewer available.

  65. 65 kajomo said at 10:57 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    My thinking is that Robinson played at a pro bowl level for a slot corner. You are unlikely to get that level of play from Rasul who would be the 3rd corner in that situation. You also now have to have a solid plan as the #4 CB. Our starters would have suffered a nasty ankle and an Achilles injury in the last year. That #4 guy is going to have to start at some point. I also like the idea of using Rasul and his size situationally based on match ups. No reason he can still get plenty of snaps.

    I would rather cut Curry and keep robinson for 3.5-4.5mil a year and find a #4 DE in the draft.

  66. 66 xeynon said at 11:01 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    I disagree. Not that I don’t value CB depth, but I think we have that regardless of whether we bring Robinson back (and we can always draft a guy to play slot corner or sign another bargain free agent – guys with that skill set aren’t *that* hard to find). Curry is overpaid, but is a *very* solid run defender and more impactful as a pass rusher than his sack numbers alone suggest.

  67. 67 kajomo said at 11:13 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Barnett is going to be taking the starter snaps. I also think Steven Means would be fine as a #4 DE, but want to draft another fairly high. We have Graham, Long and Means on the final year of their deals. We need some long term answers moving forward.

    Re-Signing PRob and moving Jalen to safety provides depth at 2 positions and gives us a ton of flexibility. I’m not saying it’s a given, but I don’t think there is 0%chance he returns like some people. For a team that has really struggled at CB I am not eager to let a good one just walk out the door.

  68. 68 xeynon said at 11:19 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    It all comes down to how much he wants to be paid. If he’ll come back on a cheap deal, knowing that he’s going to be playing a limited role as a slot CB, I’m fine with that.

    I agree with you that DE should be a spot they hit somewhere in the draft, but I think they need a developmental player there more than an impact guy. They should 100% go BPA, but assuming equal player quality among available prospects I’m prioritizing positions to target in this order:

    OT: JP is old, Vaitai could possibly develop into a long-term starter but it never hurts to have competition/insurance in case he’s nothing more than a swing tackle.

    LB: Bradham might not be back, and at this point Hicks has to be considered an injury question mark going into every season.

    S: Jenkins is getting up there and will need to be replaced in the next few years, McLeod is also a veteran, no young depth.

    Then DE.

  69. 69 A Roy said at 11:31 AM on January 18th, 2018:


  70. 70 kajomo said at 11:33 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    JP’s injury is a problem. He won’t be cleared medically prior to FA, so we can’t use his cap $$$ to upgrade the roster. That has me believing we bring him back for at least another year. Also this is a pretty lack luster OT class. I hope we trade back to recoup some picks and that makes landing a quality OT even more difficult. This year is loaded with interior guys though

    I think Bradham is almost a must sign type of guy, but we still need to add someone. Hicks can not be counted on and we still may move on from Kendricks. Tahir Whitehead could be a cheap stop gap guy in FA with a Schwartz connection. We would still need to draft 1-2 guys.

    This is why I like moving Jalen to safety. He played their in college and is a perfect fit there for how we play Malcolm. His supposed lack of speed is also minimized there.

    I would add OG, CB (if you move Jalen and don’t re-sign Robinson), and WR to the list. WR is my dark horse need. Keep surrounding Carson with weapons. A guy like Deon Cain or Jaleel Scott would look great opposite Alshon.

  71. 71 xeynon said at 11:38 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    I have no objection to drafting a WR or OG (or a RB as A Roy suggests below) either, assuming they are BPA. As for CB, I think they probably only let Robinson leave if their intent is to leave Mills there. I could see a move to S a year or two down the road, but for now I think they’ll keep him at CB because Jenkins and McLeod are still playing at a high level.

  72. 72 D3FB said at 8:26 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Wiz is under contract for 2 more years.

  73. 73 CrackSammich said at 10:18 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    CBs get paid more than safeties. Therefore he’s gonna be a CB here or on Schwartz next team.

  74. 74 Gary Barnes said at 11:06 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Last thing on my mind is what he gets paid. Eagles tell him where to play as long as he is under contract. No player is bigger than the team; they do their job or GTFO.

    If Schwartz plays favorites and does not do what is in the best interest of the team & organization, he should be fired imo. He can go join Lombardi and drink beers for all I care.

  75. 75 CrackSammich said at 11:09 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Funny thing is, what he gets paid is pretty near the top of his mind, and definitely the first on his agent’s mind.

    He’s a starting corner in this league. He’s going to want starting corner money, especially because it will be more than starting safety money, and some team out there will pay it to him.

  76. 76 D3FB said at 8:25 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Sure but if he’s a better player at S than CB the money is pretty similar. Rodney McLeod makes comprable money to Prince Amukamara and David Amerson

  77. 77 Gary Barnes said at 9:42 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    He can think about it all he wants – he plays for the Eagles and does what they want him to do or he can hit the curb. No good or smart team makes football decisions based solely on what a player makes or what he wants. The decisions are made in the best interest of the team’s success. If the Eagles believe he is a better S than CB, that is where he plays.

  78. 78 Ark87 said at 12:13 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    I usually feel the same way about showy players but I’m actually ok with Mills’ on-field persona, even respect it. He doesn’t need to be humble, his origin as a 7th round pick is humble, our expectations for him are humble, and he’s doubtlessly been humbled or straight up humiliated countless times by players more talented and physically gifted than him. His attitude is a sign of either resilience or obliviousness, but to me there’s nothing more Philly than an eccentric dude that has no F’s to give and a tough SoB to boot.

    All this is to say, it helps that he is playing well and by all indications is a great teammate, and is incredibly grateful to be able to play football and to the Eagles for giving him his shot (and is wearing green!). If any of those things weren’t apparent I’d probably be right there with you.

  79. 79 xeynon said at 9:36 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    No disrespect to Thielen and Diggs, who are an excellent pair of starting WRs, but neither of them is Julio Jones, so I’m not sure this is Mills’ biggest challenge this season. Maybe the biggest challenge for the secondary as a whole, but not sure about Mills specifically.

    He has developed into a very solid player and was a great value in the 7th round.

  80. 80 Buge Halls said at 10:15 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    “…neither of them is Julio Jones…” and combine that with those Case Keenum ducks, it should be a good day for out secondary!

  81. 81 Donald Kalinowski said at 10:42 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Theilen and Diggs have different games than Julio and Sanu. I think Mills matches up better against Julio than with Thelen/Diggs.

  82. 82 xeynon said at 10:44 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Julio is bigger, faster, stronger, and quicker than either of them. Thielen might – might – be his equal in route running, but can’t match up to him on sheer physical dominance. There is no CB for whom either he or Diggs is a tougher cover than Jones. Jones is either the best receiver in the league or 1A along with Antonio Brown.

  83. 83 meteorologist said at 12:12 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Julio isn’t as good as Brown

  84. 84 xeynon said at 12:43 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    I think you can make a case either way. Brown is a great, great player and more consistently productive, but Julio can overpower defenses in a way Brown can’t.

    I’m not going to argue too hard with you though, I think that’s absolutely a respectable opinion.

  85. 85 eagleyankfan said at 1:45 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    All I know is if you had Thielen and JJ — you win fantasy championships :). With a little from an ‘ok’ runner from the Rams…

  86. 86 Philadelphian said at 10:22 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    I always liked Mills in a red zone situation because he doesn’t have to worry about anyone blowing past him. With Mills, it comes down to not being in a situation where he doesn’t have the necessary speed to recover. However, his coverage skills have improved immensely.

  87. 87 kajomo said at 10:45 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    My ideal scenario is Jalen moving to safety to replace Corey Graham. They can play him at safety, move him around to cover TEs, or even play in the slot. He is always available for CB should we have a bunch of injuries or guys like Jones and Rasul don’t develop. I would also like to keep Robinson for another 2-3 years if the market isn’t crazy for him this offseason. Guys playing at his level aren’t easy to find, but his limited market this pst offseason and him taking less money to play with Jenkins makes me feel like we have a shot to re-sign him. That would give us tremendous depth across our secondary and we can focus our limited draft capital elsewhere.

  88. 88 CrackSammich said at 10:56 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    “Guys playing at his level aren’t easy to find”
    Guys playing at his level aren’t easy to pay.

  89. 89 kajomo said at 11:05 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Do you guys really think he’s getting 7-8 mil on the open market? No way.

    He isn’t Richard Sherman with a long history of playing at a high level. He has had multiple injuries in the NFL. He’s 30yo. He hasn’t been a starter since his days in NO.

    Robinson found a good fit here in Philly. He came here on the vet minimum. He came here in part to play with Malcolm Jenkins. He deserves a bump in pay, but he isn’t going from vet min to crazy long term deal. We have no salary cap dollars invested in CB. We can afford him at 3.5-4.5 mil per season for the next 2-3 years.

    Sure someone may offer him more, but I don’t think it will be way more. We offer the culture, stability, scheme fit, and winning that Robinson could value as a vet coming to the end of his career.

  90. 90 xeynon said at 11:12 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    I would not pay a 30 y/o CB $4.5 million a year on a multi-year deal to play slot CB. Just don’t see that as good value.

  91. 91 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 12:47 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Look at corner play across the NFL and tell me why a team wouldn’t pay Robinson this offseason (not $10m, but more than the Iggles are willing to pay).

    Gang he’s not re-signing. As I said yesterday, CBs are the deepest youngest and cheapest group on this team. Howie needs it to stay that way so we can afford to pay for talent at other positions (WR, OL, LB, DE/DT, even backup QB etc etc). Robinson is neither coming back cheap nor likely to be a slot CB next year. It’s a done deal.

  92. 92 CrackSammich said at 11:10 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Listen, guys. Players taking significantly less money to stay on the same team is the exception and not the rule. Stop this narrative right now.

  93. 93 A Roy said at 11:13 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    So, for example, you’d go to Cleveland for $4.5M rather than stay in Phil for $3.5M even though the difference is $1M minus taxes minus potential playoff money in Phil minus possible Lombardi in Phil?

  94. 94 xeynon said at 11:14 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    It does happen, but is the exception, not the rule. And really, I don’t blame players for taking the money while they can get it. These guys can play until they’re 30 or so if they’re lucky, and should squeeze every last dollar out of their ability while they have it.

  95. 95 A Roy said at 11:19 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Romo could have gotten $20M to be a QB this year. I doubt he’s getting that as a broadcaster. Some don’t need to squeeze every last dollar.

  96. 96 xeynon said at 11:21 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Romo made more than $100 million in his career as a franchise QB.

    Most NFL players are not in that income bracket. A guy like Patrick Robinson definitely isn’t.

  97. 97 A Roy said at 11:30 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    As I said in another post, it’s all relative. Long felt he had enough money and gave his season to charity. He certainly doesn’t have $100M. At what point…$10M, 20M…does it become “enough”? Depends on the man.

  98. 98 CrackSammich said at 11:31 AM on January 18th, 2018:


    You all seem to to think every single one of our free agents are coming back on reduced salaries. Not happening.

  99. 99 A Roy said at 11:33 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    No, but some will…and 18 of the 22 starters are already locked up, so we’re not talking about a large number of players who will be paid large amounts of money.

  100. 100 CrackSammich said at 11:36 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    We’re talking about those 18 of 22 preventing us from making offers for the FAs of what they’re worth.

  101. 101 A Roy said at 11:51 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Depends on if we overpaid for any and by how much, I guess.

  102. 102 xeynon said at 11:43 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    The only starters who aren’t under contract for next season are Bradham and Ellerbe (and Blount, if you want to count him and not Ajayi as the starter). So I’d call it 20 out of 22, 21 out of 22 if we consider Hicks and not Ellerbe our starting MLB going forward.

  103. 103 A Roy said at 11:50 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    I used 18 because either TLAW or Kempski cited that at some point. I can believe what you say, too.

  104. 104 kajomo said at 11:43 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Maybe you just overvalue our own players.

    Robinson signed here on the vet minimum. He was offered a little more from another team but chose to come here. That should tell you what the league thought of him. He’s had a good year, but it is unlikely to sky rocket his salary to tops at the position.

    Trey Burton is not a guy teams want as a #1 TE. How many teams outside of the patriots spend big money on #2 TEs?

    Bradham is the one guy I could really see breaking the bank and unfortunately is the guy we need the most.

    Blount waited forever to sign with us and didn’t break the bank. Sproles is coming off an ACL injury and is old as hell.

    Which FA is leaving here and getting a massive contract?

  105. 105 xeynon said at 11:44 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Trey Burton is not a guy teams want as a #1 TE.

    I wouldn’t be so sure about that. I think Trey is in a very similar position to that of Delanie Walker a few years back – versatile guy, undersized for a full-time TE, got limited playing time in a Swiss Army Knife role for a winning team, but then got paid to be a starting TE by a rebuilding one. I could see history repeating.

  106. 106 kajomo said at 11:59 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    It only takes one team and all that…but Delanie is a better blocker that could play all downs. Burton is small even for a move TE. I think that limits his playing time and as a result his earning potential.

    He certainly has value in the passing game, as a ST guy, and a move TE, but he’s not going to be get crazy money.

    TE is a really weird position though. Some guys get paid tons of money while everyone else struggles to get more that $3mil APY.

    Moves that could be made to make room for Burton are cutting Celek and/or Maragos.

  107. 107 xeynon said at 12:07 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    I want to keep Burton badly, but I’m afraid he’s one of the most likely of our pending FAs to get overpaid in free agency. We’ll see.

  108. 108 kajomo said at 12:17 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    It’s certainly possible.

    The eagles will award each player a value and try to sign them for that. If that player can get more on the open market we let them walk.

    The original comment was that we are all irrational and think all of our players are coming back on way undervalued contracts. I think our FA class is really hard to read. They aren’t starters, but have talent. How the league views them will be interesting. It can go either way and only takes one team to pay them.

    While I would love to have Burton or Robinson back next year I don’t think either is worth paying crazy money too. I don’t think any smart team will over pay them. But there is always the Browns, Raiders, etc that could throw a curveball.

  109. 109 xeynon said at 12:41 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Agreed. Assign them a value and don’t go above it is the smart way to go about these things, and what I think Howie will do.

  110. 110 daveH said at 12:38 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    And i don’t want Nigel B to leave either. .. .

  111. 111 CrackSammich said at 12:00 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Robinson was a very good slot corner who took money to play as an outside corner. Just like in our camp, he was not able to play outside, and bombed out in Indy. He’s not going to be making vet minimum next year.

  112. 112 kajomo said at 12:06 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    I never said he was making vet minimum. I said I’d give him $3-5 mil per year on a 3 year deal. I don’t think he gets significantly more than that on the open market. 30yo journeymen getting massive contracts are the EXCEPTION

  113. 113 D3FB said at 8:17 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    You’re right Chris Long only has made $89 million in his career.

  114. 114 A Roy said at 12:56 AM on January 19th, 2018:

    After taxes, agents fees, etc. It’s probably only $40M. My point is just; what is enough? Everyone has a point where more money doesn’t do shit for your life.

  115. 115 CrackSammich said at 11:22 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Romo is already rich AF, dude. He’s not coming off his rookie contract, or someone who *doesn’t* have a future in broadcasting.

    That said, Cutler, *did* come back for the money.

  116. 116 Bert's Bells said at 12:56 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Romo could have easily been paralyzed the last time he left the field.

    If he came back -it would not have been for the money.

  117. 117 CrackSammich said at 11:16 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    If you were offered $3.5M a year to be a slot corner here or $7M a year to be an outside corner in Cleveland?

  118. 118 A Roy said at 11:18 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Everything’s relative. It really depends on the amount of the gap between the two offers. I know lots of people in regular life who take less money for various reasons…less travel, job stability, degree of comfort with management/position, e.g.

  119. 119 CrackSammich said at 11:20 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Right. Exceptions.

  120. 120 kajomo said at 11:37 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    I’d go to Cleveland. If the different was $1mil I’d stay in Philly without a second thought

  121. 121 ChoTime said at 2:07 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Remember, this is their job. They have like 3-5 years to make enough money to live on for the rest of their lives.

  122. 122 A Roy said at 2:22 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Well, technically, they need to make it to when their lucrative NFL pension kicks in…and they have that free college degree for their second career. I am only arguing that people in all occupations routinely accept less than top dollar because there are other considerations.

  123. 123 D3FB said at 8:15 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    $5K a month when he’s 55, and that sweet sweet second career with a degree in Family and Youth Sciences.

  124. 124 ChoTime said at 10:34 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    I didn’t know the pension was even that much. Have to admit, seeing Bo Jackson hanging around conventions hawking stuff made me sad.

  125. 125 A Roy said at 1:08 AM on January 19th, 2018:

    The current agreement is $76K at 55 or $201K at 65. With many, many extras. And while I didn’t use the sarcasm font for the college degree, they still had the opportunity to get a usable education. While we’re on the subject, I do believe they are exploited in college…at least in the major conferences where football is their primary “job” over class work.

  126. 126 Mac said at 11:22 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Context. It’s all about context.

  127. 127 Bert's Bells said at 12:44 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    ” opportunity to spread the message God has put on his heart ”
    Green Bay, it is.

    Nice knowing you, Trey!

  128. 128 sonofdman said at 1:12 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Nice Reggie callback.

  129. 129 Mac said at 1:18 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    The degenerates of Green Bay need all the help they can get.

  130. 130 CrackSammich said at 1:43 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Wait, so your basic point is that I’m simple because I think money is an important part of deciding where to work?

    Glad we cleared that up.

  131. 131 Mac said at 4:12 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Well, I for one had no idea you had such a bad conversation on here about Maclin, but that context helps me understand where you are coming from… My original statement about Burton having reasons to want to stay on the team was made in a vacuum and wasn’t meant to make anyone upset. I do think that Burton has built something really good with his relationships on this team, and I don’t think it necessarily moves the needle if you’re talking about millions of dollars (which I’m not). If you think he’s the next James Casey and is going to get an offer from another team that is substantially better than the value he provides the Eagles… then I think that’s where we disagree. I really like Burton the person, but I’m not sold on him as a TE worth “must have” money.

    I think the Eagles will come up with a good offer to keep Bradham, and I think Robinson is gone.

    For what it’s worth I think it’s pretty clear that Maclin wasn’t just in it for the money, I think he preferred Andy (and was tampered with), and wanted to be close to home. The fact that it was also a better deal monetarily was just icing on the cake.

  132. 132 kajomo said at 11:37 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    What if a player took less money for a better situation this year. Does that not prove he value fit, chemistry, culture? Is it unreasonable to think he may do so again.

    Revis was a ducking mercenary. He wasn’t taking less money for anything.

    It’s a personal decision that is handled differently by each person

  133. 133 xeynon said at 11:11 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    I realize nobody wants to focus on the draft yet (with good reason), but because the Vikings reached the NFC Championship Game, the 4th round pick we netted from them in this year’s draft in the Sam Bradford trade is now a 3rd rounder. If we lose to them on Sunday, it will become a 2nd rounder if they win the Super Bowl. So we really want them to go all the way if we can’t.

  134. 134 TXEaglesFan said at 11:22 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Hmm, I think that was for the 2016 season playoffs and also hinges on how much Bradford played. The article you linked doesn’t specifically say which season though.

  135. 135 xeynon said at 11:24 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    You’re right, good catch.

  136. 136 Donald Kalinowski said at 11:24 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    It was based on the 2016 season. So the Eagles get a 4th no matter what.

  137. 137 Tumtum said at 11:27 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Mills isn’t Dieon Sanders. His detractors seem to think that means he isn’t a valuable member of this team. Would you rather have him or Byron Maxwell? Sconces (who sadly was one of the better guys of the last 5 years)? Asomougha (he isn’t important enough to check spelling on his name), or even Noland?

    So no he ain’t Dieon, but Fletch isn’t Donald either, and I don’t hear people talking down on him.

  138. 138 Donald Kalinowski said at 11:36 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Mills has been our best CB in a long time. Probably since Asante. You could make the case for Brandon Boykin.

    Leodis McKelvin, Byron Maxwell, Eric Rowe, Cary Williams, Bradley Fletcher, Nnamdi, and DRC.

  139. 139 Dave said at 12:18 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Ronald Darby > Mills and it’s not even close.

    According to PFF (I know PFF sucks, blah, blah, blah) provided during the Falcons telecast, Mills is ranked 75th out of 122 CBs while Darby is 36th.

    I think if Rasul Douglas were actually given playing time, he would be better too.

  140. 140 Fufina said at 12:32 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Will be really interesting next season, with Darby, Mills, Douglas and Jones all competing for starting spots. I honestly think Mills may well end up best in the Jenkins role as a hybrid safety 2-3 years down the line if he is still on the roster.

  141. 141 CrackSammich said at 1:40 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Mills is going to be playing corner for Schwartz’s next defense, just like Bradham and McKelvin did here.

  142. 142 A_T_G said at 2:05 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Ugh. That rings disappointingly true.

  143. 143 xeynon said at 12:52 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    PFF grades for CBs aren’t fit to wipe your butt with.

    They have no way of knowing with absolutely certainty what a CB’s coverage responsibilities are on a given play (for example, whether getting burned on a deep route was on him for playing the short route or on the S who was supposed to help over the top but didn’t). Plus comparing CBs in zone schemes to those in man-to-man is apples and oranges, never mind defenses designed to give up short completions as long as they don’t get beat over the top.

  144. 144 SteveH said at 1:20 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    I kind of agree Xeynon but I think that they probably do give you a sort of ballpark idea of how good a corner might be, like if someone is ranked 112th out of 122 corners, I don’t think he’s secretly a stud CB.

    I think Mills and Darby are very different corners which makes them difficult to compare. It kind of reminds me of Lito and Sheldon.

    Mills is like Sheldon, not as athletic, but a competitor and physical corner who will stick his nose in and make plays against the run.

    Darby is kind of like Lito, he is more athletic and can gamble a bit, will probably get more interceptions, not as physical though.

  145. 145 xeynon said at 1:24 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    I think Lito/Sheldon is a fair comparison.

    I certainly don’t think Mills is an elite CB, but I think that conventional stats (PBUs, interceptions, opposing QB rating when targeting, etc.) do a decent job of telling us how effective a guy is or isn’t – don’t need the PFF guys watching tape and guessing at what the CB was supposed to do and arbitrarily grading how well he carried out his supposed assignment.

  146. 146 A_T_G said at 2:08 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    I thought it might be disrespectful to history to make the comparison this soon, but I agree completely that they fit a similar dynamic.

    As a bonus, our defense is flexible enough to allow them to cover a receiver instead of a side now, so teams can’t line up their fast guy on Sheldon and their big guy on Lito all game long.

  147. 147 Dave said at 2:42 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    INCYDK, Sheldon was not slow. He ran a 4.47 at the combine.

    Sheldon was fast, Lito was blazing fast.

    Mills is slow, Darby is blazing fast.

  148. 148 xeynon said at 2:55 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Mills ran a 4.48 at the LSU pro day. Perhaps that was inflated and the 4.61 he ran at the combine is more representative, but it he had run faster than that in previous workouts. His fastest recorded time was a 4.47, the same as Sheldon’s combine time (though to be fair Brown may not have run his best time at the combine either).

  149. 149 D3FB said at 8:04 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Always add a tenth for pro day times that do not match combine times

  150. 150 SteveH said at 4:10 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Yeah the comparison is definitely not performance based, it’s just in terms of athleticism and skillset.

  151. 151 Donald Kalinowski said at 1:31 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    I left Darby outo f it because he only had significant playing time in 6 games this year.

  152. 152 kajomo said at 3:03 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    You are a notorious Mills hater.

    I would say Darby has much better potential, but their ply this season has been similar. Certainly can’t say Darby has been so much better it isn’t even close. That’s just not true

  153. 153 SteveH said at 1:08 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    It’s funny how Sconces was definitely a better corner than Bradley Fletcher but people hate him just as much because of his attitude.

    God we’ve gone through the dregs at cornerback over the years. Up until this season I’ve missed Lito and Sheldon so much. Hell even Asante Samuel was a ballhawk, even if he couldn’t tackle. sometimes you don’t know you have a good thing until it’s gone.

  154. 154 Tumtum said at 1:59 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Asante could also cover pretty darn well, and again if he let up plays it was because he was trying to make them. I really don’t recall aggregious bites all that often.

  155. 155 D3FB said at 8:03 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Sconces did the fake tough guy shit like diving 2 feet to the left or right of a ballcarrier to make it look like he was trying to tackle.

  156. 156 Masked Man said at 11:29 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Skittles is one of my most favorite Eagles players.

  157. 157 daveH said at 12:35 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Skittles is a great nickname

  158. 158 Masked Man said at 12:58 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    I believe Malcolm Jenkins called him Skittles when he showed up as a rookie in 2016 with the lime green hair dye.

  159. 159 daveH said at 6:22 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Dam 2 years with a green ‘do. . That’s badass. . Kind of kookie also and i like that. .

    .Skittles is a proper nickname .. the green goblin is lame. …i could see myself getting a SKITTLES jersey in fact

  160. 160 daveH said at 6:24 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    I love it … he probably heard MJ call him skittles and chuckled and whatever happens he just rides if off ..
    I doubt he gave MJ the finger wave

  161. 161 mtn_green said at 11:37 AM on January 18th, 2018:

    Mills will always have problems with speedy corners.
    The scheme is for him to jump routes and go after ball. Therefore he will get beat.
    Tackles everything in front of him even rb. No mention in article how important mills is to stopping the run in this scheme.

  162. 162 SteveH said at 1:12 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    So the BGN article on which Vikings player would you take had me thinking, if you were taking a player for just this one game, or permanently, who would you take?

    I think for just this game Eric Kendricks. Having him instead of Ellerbe for MLB would be massive, but I think moving forward we obviously have Hicks in place, so Kendricks makes less sense.

    I think if we could poach anyone moving past this season it would be Diggs. The guy is an absolute beast who’s had the misfortune of playing with QB’s who don’t know how to utilize him. He’s tall, fast, and can high point the ball with the best of them. He actually reminds me of a slightly less physical but faster Alshon Jeffrey. If you had Jeffrey/Diggs/Agholor as your top 3 WR moving forward instead of Jeffrey/Smith/Agholor you’d be in really fucking good shape, especially with Ertz in the mix as a receiver.

  163. 163 xeynon said at 1:22 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Diggs, eh. He’s a good player but I don’t think he’s even the best wide receiver on that team.

    I think my answer is the same regardless of whether it’s for this game or the long term: Xavier Rhodes. An elite shutdown CB could take the Eagles’ defense to the next level.

  164. 164 sonofdman said at 1:49 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Definitely. I would probably take Rhodes and if not him, Harrison Smith.

  165. 165 kajomo said at 3:09 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Rhodes is the easy one. Griffin would be my second choice. Putting him on that DL wouldn’t be fair

  166. 166 xeynon said at 3:52 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    He’s definitely really good, but I think is a bit more marginal of an upgrade over Graham/Curry/Barnett/Long than Rhodes would be over Mills.

  167. 167 Donald Kalinowski said at 1:28 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    I’d rather have Kendricks than Hicks. Hicks is too injury prone. I’d probably take Harrison Smith.

  168. 168 A_T_G said at 1:58 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Taken out of context, that comment would have gotten your Eagles Fan Card pulled and shredded a few months ago.

  169. 169 Tumtum said at 2:20 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    But would you replace Hicks over filling a bigger need with Diggs or Rhodes.

  170. 170 Tumtum said at 2:18 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    All about Terps. I can endorse this. Rhodes too.

  171. 171 truehaynes said at 6:48 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    We get the better terp wide receiver and get rid of the crap one

  172. 172 truehaynes said at 6:49 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Maryland alumni here

  173. 173 unhinged said at 5:37 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Stefon Diggs is 6’0. I like him too, and I’d take him for his high-pointing and natural athleticism. He doesn’t have anything close to Jeffery’s catch radius.

  174. 174 D3FB said at 7:59 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    I’ll take Danielle Hunter. A guy with 26 career sacks and just turned 23. He and Barnett will eat souls for a decade.

  175. 175 A_T_G said at 2:13 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Could this week possibly go by any slower? It feels as if Sunday is a month away yet.

  176. 176 ChoTime said at 3:19 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Enjoy relevance while it lasts. There’s probably a coin flip’s odds or worse that it will be the last one we have.

  177. 177 xeynon said at 3:50 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Then we start talking about free agency/the draft.

    One of the joys of playing deep into the playoffs is that you don’t have to wait long for the relevant part of the offseason to start.

  178. 178 Dragon_Eagle said at 7:07 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Another joy is that you can watch the other playoff games with significantly more enthusiasm.

    I do like to watch the playoffs even when the Eagles aren’t there. But when the Birds are in the mix, its just soooo much more fun to speculate on a future matchup.

    E.g. – Jax v. NE will be so much more entertaining to watch because the Eagles are still alive.

  179. 179 jshort said at 4:23 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Wonder what the odds are of a team getting HF for the SB. On top of that, have to travel to the #1 seed (of course the back up issue) but they have to play outside. Just saying. Thinking we are much better off than a little less a coin flip.
    While at work today got into a conversation with an avid Vikings fan. He travels to see them at least once per season. He thinks they’re going to rip us up, so much so that he is passing on a trip to the Link and just making SB arrangements for him and his daughter, how nice.
    The only thing going through my head at the time were those gif’s of our offensive and d-lines, and thinking good luck, cause I don’t see this happening. This Eagles team will win this game, no doubt in my mind, and A_T_G gets another bye week.

  180. 180 ChoTime said at 4:39 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Coin flip = 50%, right? I mean how much of a chance do you give us?

    I do think it’s ridiculous to write us off, but I don’t think we should favored here, either.

  181. 181 jshort said at 4:43 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    It was the (or worse).

  182. 182 P_P_K said at 3:26 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    I have a callus on my finger from repeatedly refreshing Iggles Blitz.

  183. 183 Donald Kalinowski said at 3:34 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Ever since 2002 I’ve tempered my excitement. Almost 2 decades later and it still scars me. Enjoy the week

  184. 184 P_P_K said at 4:02 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    So many disappointments over the years; losing playoff games that were winnable. This team, under this Coach, feels different. They consistently find a way to get the victory. Even if our backup qb can’t take us all the way, the Pederson Eagles are something special.

  185. 185 iceberg584 said at 4:21 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    My childhood ended on January 19, 2003.

  186. 186 ChoTime said at 4:37 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Ha, that was the worst. I think that’s when my sports PTSD really kicked in.

  187. 187 xeynon said at 4:41 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Definitely the worst Eagles loss of my lifetime. The next year’s NFC Championship Game sucked too though.

  188. 188 YUGE said at 2:41 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    I’ve been a Eagles & Vikings fan forever, so I win either way Sunday.

  189. 189 SteveH said at 3:55 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Howie Roseman named PFWA executive of the year.

    I can’t think of any coach or executive who’s had such a fast and compelling redemption story.

  190. 190 anon said at 4:02 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Chip Kelly? ha. ha.

  191. 191 Masked Man said at 5:42 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    I just posted about that above, Steve. You were here two hours before.

    I posted this link from BGN for anybody who wants to read about it. Only news report I’ve seen so far.

  192. 192 SteveH said at 6:29 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Not a problem, it happens.

  193. 193 ChoTime said at 4:36 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Turns out the Eagles are down with stats. “The approach is driven by an analytics team so involved in the operation that two members of the department — including coaching assistant/linebackers coach Ryan Paganetti, a Dartmouth grad with a degree in economics — communicate with Pederson in-game.”

    “Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie has long had an analytics team in place; the desire for an optimal fourth-down strategy is not new. The difference is that the Eagles now have a more willing dance partner on the sideline in Pederson.”

    “Analytics are being deployed on the defensive side of the ball as well. Defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz might come off as an old-school football guy, but he studied econometrics — the application of statistical and mathematical techniques in solving problems — at Georgetown, and is known to be very much data-driven in his approach to the job.”

    One guy apparently used be an intern at Football Outsiders, my favorite stats site. Suck it, hatahs!

  194. 194 xeynon said at 4:40 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    One thing noteworthy about the Patriots is that they’ve consistently had the highest percentage of college graduates of any NFL team on their rosters for awhile now. The Ravens are also known for employing smart guys. Glad to see the Eagles following suit.

  195. 195 anon said at 4:44 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Eh – Chip tried this – doesn’t always work

  196. 196 xeynon said at 5:03 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    I’d argue that Chip’s regime failed for other reasons.

    Besides, nobody argued that they don’t also have to be talented.

  197. 197 CrackSammich said at 4:58 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Yeah, but then the one Ravens OL retired and the average intelligence nosedived.

  198. 198 xeynon said at 5:02 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    John Urschel isn’t just smart for a football player, he’s smart by any standard. The guy is doing a PhD at MIT.

  199. 199 unhinged said at 4:52 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    If this has already been consumed by you ravenous magpies I apologize. If not, to quote our German friend, thank me later

  200. 200 GermanEagle said at 5:28 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    You’re welcome.

  201. 201 Masked Man said at 5:37 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Izat about you GE?

    You rascal you!

  202. 202 Frencheaglesfan said at 5:02 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Outside of QB, if you could pick any player from the NFL to play this game with us, who would you pick. (for the sake of the game act like he knows the playbook and the chemistry is here. And of course I know, we all we got, we all we need). I’m pulled apart between Von Miller and Zeke.

  203. 203 GENETiC-FREAK said at 5:09 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Aaron Donald, Luke Kuechly or Earl Thomas. One of those 3 for me.

  204. 204 xeynon said at 5:10 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Antonio Brown or Julio replacing Torrey Smith.

    One Jalen for another (Ramsey for Mills) at CB.

    An elite MLB (Luke Kuechly, Sean Lee, etc.) over Ellerbe.

    Generally I’d want the biggest possible upgrade over the guy we currently have and I think any of those three would be a bigger improvement over our current starter than Zeke (not even the best RB in the league, Gurley is a better choice) would be over Ajayi, or Miller over Graham.

  205. 205 GENETiC-FREAK said at 5:11 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Brown is a good pick. Helps the PR as well and hes elite WR.

  206. 206 xeynon said at 5:14 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Speaking of Steelers, I’d also take Bell over Elliott at RB.

    I think we overrate how good Zeke is.

  207. 207 Frencheaglesfan said at 5:16 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Bell is the only one I would slighlty consider over Zeke but Gurley to me is overrated.

  208. 208 xeynon said at 5:27 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Even prorating Elliott’s 2017 stats over an entire 16 game season, Gurley had a better year (note that Gurley didn’t even play in week 17 and I’m NOT prorating his stats, just Elliott’s):

    Gurley: 279 carries, 1305 yards, 4.7 YPR, 13 rushing TDs, 64 catches, 788 receiving yards, 12.3 YPC, 6 receiving TDs

    Elliott (prorated through 16 games): 387 carries, 1573 yards, 4.1 YPR, 11 rushing TDs, 42 catches, 430 receiving yards, 3 receiving TDs

    The only stat by which Elliott would’ve been superior is yards, based on the fact that he would’ve had more than 100 more carries, and he still would’ve had fewer total yards. He’s strictly inferior by any other measure. Despite running behind an OL that’s not as good as Dallas’, and not playing with the best QB in the history of the universe in Dak Prescott. 😉

  209. 209 DustyRyder71 said at 5:29 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    My goodness… Dallas is going to run that kid into the ground in record time.

  210. 210 xeynon said at 5:30 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    You have to run your RBs into the ground when you’re trying to cover up the faults of a severely limited QB like Dak. 😉

  211. 211 anon said at 6:11 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Does analogy hold for Pittsburgh?

  212. 212 DustyRyder71 said at 10:25 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Dak is too good to be replaced, and not good enough to win anything of consequence. Welcome to QB purgatory, Cowboys. Enjoy your stay for the next five years.

  213. 213 Frencheaglesfan said at 5:31 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Nice insight. You convinced me.

    I change my pick into…………………. Tyreek Hill :)!

  214. 214 anon said at 6:11 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Not a lot of Gurley talk last year…

  215. 215 Frencheaglesfan said at 5:15 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Agree with the logic of having the biggest upgrade. Jalen is ballin’ but he is so young I won’t trust him yet. Hard to not like having Julio or Brown in the team. I hate Dallas and the ewok but in my book he is the best RB in the league by a mile, he is AP level and my logic is that it fits our biggest strenght, winning in the trenches.

  216. 216 xeynon said at 5:16 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    He’s a top 5 RB but Gurley and Bell both have run just as well running behind inferior offensive lines, and both are better receivers as well.

  217. 217 Frencheaglesfan said at 5:20 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    2017 Cowboys Oline < 2017 Steelers Oline < 2017 Rams Oline.

    Smith missed some games and Lael is not really good at tackle and Zeke hardly missed a beat. Zeke missed 6 games and he is 20 yards close to 1000. Gurley is 1300 for the whole season.

    They are both indeed better than zeke in the passing game, and I don't really know who is the best at pass blocking. All around it is maybe a tougher pick than I thought.

  218. 218 xeynon said at 5:29 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Zeke missed 6 games and he is 20 yards close to 1000. Gurley is 1300 for the whole season.

    Only because Zeke got more carries per game. His yards-per-carry was significantly lower (see post below).

    As for OL, Smith missed a few games, granted, but is still one of the best LTs in the league. Martin and Frederick are Pro Bowlers. The Rams don’t have any OL that good. The Steelers have one (DeCastro).

  219. 219 SteveH said at 6:28 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    The Cowboys OL just mashes on people when they commit to the run. They did drop off a bit this year I think because they let Ronald Leary walk, but they still have 3 all pro type talents on the line.

    Lucky for us we had 3 all pro type guys ourselves this year in Johnson/Brooks/Kelce.

    Imagine if we hadn’t lost Jason Peters. Without worrying about pressure from the left side Foles would probably be looking so sharp.

  220. 220 daveH said at 6:35 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Every MLB is a 1/2 twist from done .. im far happier w our guy than lee or kookly.
    .. my answer 1 year forward is to want Bradham back.
    Earl Thomas for Brandon Graham … we’ve wanted that switch since year 1 .. they need a DE and we’ve always wanted ET … i DONT want to see Graham go at all, he’s been a great Eagle… but the twisted gods of f-ball may feel it the final destiny

    And no interest in seeing ET go to d-all-ass

    I love that Gives have to decide and negotiate with an injured ODB this contract season … great chance to leave both infuriated like how Andy passed off TO and let it wreck an entire season

  221. 221 Insomniac said at 5:30 PM on January 18th, 2018:


  222. 222 Frencheaglesfan said at 5:34 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    He is so unlikeable that I’m afraid he gives a boost to his opponents. I prefer Julio, Hopkins or Brown over OBJ.

  223. 223 jshort said at 5:38 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Does it have to be a current player? Like on an NFL roster now. Just want to know the rules.

  224. 224 Frencheaglesfan said at 5:39 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Since I’m bored and we are far from Sunday, I suggest we do current roster for now and all time roster later :).

  225. 225 Insomniac said at 5:43 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    It’s arguable that Zeke is just as unlikable.

  226. 226 Frencheaglesfan said at 5:47 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    It is :). But I prefer someone running behind this Prow Bowl line than someone catching balls from Nicky.

  227. 227 Insomniac said at 5:52 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Ahhhhhhh reply fail lol.

    I don’t think he could tell the difference from Eli and Foles at this point.

  228. 228 A_T_G said at 5:58 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Point of order question: if I take Brady for our QB does it mean NE is forced to play without him?

  229. 229 sonofdman said at 7:35 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Using this logic, I would pick someone crucial on the Vikings. Maybe Everson Griffin. Weaken their pass rush and make ours even stronger.

  230. 230 A_T_G said at 8:05 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Tellingly, this logic still doesn’t make anyone want Case Keenum.

  231. 231 sonofdman said at 8:42 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Well, Frencheaglesfan did say “Outside of QB….” But still, there is no way you could justify taking Case Keenam when you could have anyone in the league.

  232. 232 Dragon_Eagle said at 7:12 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Jason Peters, healthy.

  233. 233 xeynon said at 10:20 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Peters is great but I don’t think Vaitai is the biggest liability on our team. I’d rather replace a guy like Smith or Ellerbe where the marginal improvement is bigger.

  234. 234 P_P_K said at 10:23 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    We’ll be telling Jason you aren’t in his corner,

  235. 235 xeynon said at 10:38 PM on January 18th, 2018:


    Just think the upgrade from average starter (which is how Big V is playing) to HoFer is smaller than the upgrade from below average player to HoFer.

  236. 236 sonofdman said at 11:20 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    But think of the upgrade to the kicking game with Peters back:

    “No more misses.”

  237. 237 Dragon_Eagle said at 5:01 AM on January 19th, 2018:

    Against Minnesota’s pass rush? Give me JP all day.

  238. 238 xeynon said at 8:30 AM on January 19th, 2018:

    Against Thielen and Diggs give me an elite shutdown CB all day. I have more faith in the Eagles OL to shut down the Vikings’ pass rush even with Big V in there than I do in our DBs to shut down their receivers. Against Minnesota’s secondary give me Antonio Brown all day. I have more faith in our OL than I do in Torrey Smith to come down with a critical catch against them. Etc.

    OL isn’t even in the top 3 of matchups I’m worried about for this game.

  239. 239 DustyRyder71 said at 10:21 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    I’ll take Bobby Wagner.

  240. 240 Masked Man said at 5:38 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Howie Roseman is voted NFL Executive of the Year! And well-deserved!

  241. 241 Insomniac said at 5:41 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Still waiting for Doug to get head coach of the year.

  242. 242 Masked Man said at 6:10 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    The article reports a NO for Dougie this year. It’s Sean McVay.

    Doug did a better job in my opinion though. But 2-3 major awards are not all coming to Philly.

    It’s not the way that these award deals are done. Share the wealth and all.

    A landslide of awards is very rare, even when deserved.

  243. 243 Insomniac said at 6:16 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    I know. I’m just salty about it. McVay isn’t even the second guy for me. That would be Doug Marrone. It would be just plain stupid to say “Well Howie is GM of the year already so lets give it to McVay”.

  244. 244 Masked Man said at 6:19 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Marrone did great! The Jags in the AFCCG? Big Wow!

    I think Zimmer did great too. The Vikes got on a roll last year 5-0 undefeated, then got derailed. He got his team to stick with it and stay on track and grow.

    For me it would be:
    1. Dougie P.
    2. Doug M.
    3. McVay
    4. Zimmer
    5. McDermott

  245. 245 anon said at 6:34 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Things turned around in jax once dude from the Giants entered the building

  246. 246 Bert's Bells said at 7:01 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    All really good candidates. Doug is tops, obviously, but this is a year full of worthy guys.

  247. 247 wee2424 said at 11:23 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Lol. If someone told me that the Eagles, Jaguars, Bills, and Titans got into the playoffs with Jaguars beating Steelers 45-42, Titans beating Chiefs, Birds beating ATL, and Jaguars and Eagles both in their respective conference championship games I would have burst out laughing.

    Then add that Keenum is leading the Vikes looking the part of a franchise QB, Carson Wentz was nearly voted league MVP then tore his ACL. Include the other rash of injuries then I would have to smack you.

    Crazy year.

  248. 248 wee2424 said at 6:20 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    To me it was always DP then Mcvay. I never thought of Marrone. Your right though. DP, Marrone, then Mcvay. How has Marrone not gotten more attention?

  249. 249 Insomniac said at 6:27 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Inconsistency and that the old guys weren’t really sexy candidates?

  250. 250 sonofdman said at 7:30 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    People want to give credit to Coughlin instead of Marrone.

  251. 251 wee2424 said at 11:09 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Stupid. Should he get some credit? Yeah, but Marrone is the one that truly runs that football team. Correct me if I am wrong but Coughlin is there to basically add his 2 cents in correct?

  252. 252 daveH said at 6:26 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Just want to see Doug accept the Lombardo Trophy ..then he’ll be name coach of the January February

  253. 253 xeynon said at 8:27 AM on January 19th, 2018:

    Matt Lombardo has a trophy named after him now? Don’t tell me Elliot Shore-Parks is next.

  254. 254 daveH said at 10:29 AM on January 19th, 2018:

    Was thinking Guy Lombardo at least

  255. 255 SteveH said at 6:40 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Completely off topic but does anyone else ever have to google how to spell Belichick?

  256. 256 daveH said at 6:44 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Better to misspell it forever. Respekt.

  257. 257 or____ said at 8:54 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    It’s not chik, it’s cheat

  258. 258 P_P_K said at 10:21 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Took awhile but I’ve got it memorized now.

  259. 259 ChoTime said at 10:31 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Every time.

  260. 260 DustyRyder71 said at 12:47 AM on January 19th, 2018:

    Same. Every single time.

  261. 261 truehaynes said at 6:53 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Anyone know what happened to Danielle Hunter this season? Dude looked like a pro bowler last year and is an absolute athletic freak. Only had 7 sacks this year. Was he injured?

  262. 262 D3FB said at 7:54 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    He seems to be playing more LDE this year.

  263. 263 SteveH said at 7:18 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Yeah Ben Simmons can’t shoot. Until he can develop a jumper that drops more than 25% of the time it’s going to limit his cieling in a big way. He doesn’t need to shoot 40% from 3 or anything, he just needs to actually be able to threaten an outside shot, once he gets that and they can’t just clog the lane against him it will open up his whole array of offensive potential.

  264. 264 Fufina said at 8:00 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    If he can just get to being a 70% free throw shooter i will be happy, he is a borderline allstar his rookie year, with his defense being a massive positive over expectations.

    If he develops a legit jump shot he will be a top 5 NBA player.

  265. 265 A_T_G said at 8:19 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Not saying it will happen, but I remember Michael Jordan entering the league in the same condition. He managed to add a jump shot along the way.

  266. 266 SteveH said at 8:39 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    It might or might not happen, but Philly really needs it happen.

    Between Simmons and Fultz I’m wondering who the hell is in charge of teaching these kids to shoot.

  267. 267 Masked Man said at 8:40 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    So did Julius Erving after he became a 76er.

  268. 268 Dragon_Eagle said at 8:05 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    And the reputation grows…

    From a CNN article entitled, “Jaguars vs. Vikings: The Super Bowl we don’t want, but probably deserve.”

    “Now, before anyone panics, a couple of fellows named Tom Brady and Bill Belichick still stand between us and the End of Days, not to mention the pesky Philadelphia Eagles and their fanbase, which has somehow managed to grow even more unhinged over the last five days.”

    We are even more unhinged. I don’t know what that means but I believe it to be accurate.

    Then the article links to an article on that douchebag who punched a horse. Fuck him.

  269. 269 A_T_G said at 8:10 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Who would want to be hinged anyway? Stuck in one spot, swinging back and forth all day? No thanks.

  270. 270 SteveH said at 8:16 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    It’s like that Minnesota travel agent who compared us to gangsters. I didn’t realize I had such a dangerous reputation in the street!

  271. 271 A_T_G said at 8:36 PM on January 18th, 2018:

  272. 272 quiyaomah said at 8:44 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Charlie Mack, the first out’ the limo!

  273. 273 sonofdman said at 8:40 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Us Eagles fans named “Steve” are definitely the most dangerous of them all!

  274. 274 SteveH said at 8:43 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Yeah come at me and I’ll… Call security. So watch yourself.

  275. 275 sonofdman said at 8:49 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Nice, noone wants to mess with that. If someone messes with me, I will deploy my strongest sarcasm and then mock them for resorting to violence. We are definitely the type of fans they warn people in Minnesota about.

  276. 276 SteveH said at 8:53 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Writers are notorious for their capacity for physical violence, I’m told. I have to uphold the reputation.

  277. 277 Masked Man said at 8:39 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    Fake Sports News? Hahahaha!

  278. 278 daveH said at 9:51 PM on January 18th, 2018:


  279. 279 Eagles4life said at 11:09 PM on January 18th, 2018:

    I understand his view point but he missed how prepared Eagles were on both sides of the ball! Why was he expecting us to make the same mistakes in the playoffs?!

  280. 280 DustyRyder71 said at 12:33 AM on January 19th, 2018:

    Atlanta went out and beat themselves, and the Eagles had next to nothing to do with it.

    That’s pretty much what I’m getting from that.

  281. 281 xeynon said at 8:25 AM on January 19th, 2018:

    I was listening to the Ringer NFL podcast last night, and they not only described this game as mostly a Falcons loss and not an Eagles win, but went on to spend 90% of their NFC Championship preview slobbering over the Vikings and to describe Zimmer/Shurmur as giving Minnesota a “big coaching advantage” over the Eagles. There is just a ridiculous level of disrespect for what the Eagles have accomplished out there.

    Of course I want the Eagles to win for our own sake, but I want it even more now to shut up all these national media blowhards.

  282. 282 Green Goblin Swag said at 12:06 AM on January 19th, 2018:

    Saw Pederson designing a play where Clement knees a pass to Smith. This must be in response to him not getting COTY.