Flipped
Posted: February 10th, 2018 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 307 Comments »There is a downside to winning the Super Bowl.
Vikings are hiring former Eagles’ QB coach John DeFilippo as their OC, per source.
Super Bowl brain drain underway in Philadelphia.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) February 9, 2018
New Vikings OC John DeFilippo said on a conference call that he had other opportunities to be a coordinator this offseason. "But when the Minnesota Vikings want to talk to you, that's a whole different ball game," he said.
— Chad Graff (@ChadGraff) February 9, 2018
First, good for him. DeFilippo deserved the job and I wish him well. He made sure he took a job he actually wanted and with a team where he can succeed.
What does this mean for the Eagles?
They need a new QBs coach. Press Taylor had the title of Offensive Quality Control/Assistant QBs Coach this past season so he is an obvious candidate. Here is PE.com’s bio on Taylor, who has been with the Eagles since 2013.
If the Eagles want a more experienced person for the job, they could move WRs coach Mike Groh over to work with the QBs. Groh wants to be more than just a WRs coach, even though that is something he excels at. He was an offensive coordinator and QBs coach at the University of Virginia and wants to get back to one of those roles at the NFL level. Here is his bio.
The Eagles could always move Groh to QBs and Taylor to WRs, giving both young coaches a promotion. Part of the challenge is rewarding your own coaches to keep them happy, while also making sure you are hiring the best candidates. The Eagles could look at outside possibilities. I tend to think they’ll focus on internal candidates for this position.
Losing Flip would hurt a lot more if the Eagles didn’t have Doug Pederson as the head coach. Pederson has a strong relationship with his QB. Flip certainly did a great job with the Eagles QBs this year and replacing him won’t be easy, but this won’t be a crushing change like when Ray Rhodes lost Jon Gruden after the 1997 season. The Eagles offense fell apart. Carson Wentz has established himself as a top QB and Nick Foles has been a Pro Bowl MVP and Super Bowl MVP so I think he’s in good shape.
Flip did spend more time with the QBs than any other coach. He knew what to say to them and what not to say. Finding the right coach who can push the same buttons isn’t as easy as hiring the guy with the best resume. Flip also did a lot of work on the Red Zone offense, which was 2nd in the NFL. That will take someone with a good feel for X’s and O’s.
The Vikings have a full staff so I don’t anticipate DeFilippo trying to bring any coaches with him. So what about players?
Rick Spielman said that whoever the Vikings hire as OC will get a lot of say in which QB the Vikings roll with.
John DeFilippo, the Eagles' QB coach, is a total outsider. Who would he want?
— Nick Olson (@NicholasJOlson) February 5, 2018
New Vikings OC John DeFilippo said he doesn't want "a stick in the mud" at quarterback. Said he thinks QBs need to have athleticism.
— Chad Graff (@ChadGraff) February 9, 2018
The Vikings have free agent QBs in Sam Bradford, Case Keenum and Teddy Bridgewater. My guess is that they will let Bradford walk. Keenum is the guy who makes the most sense, but how much can you commit to him financially? He might want to test free agency, hoping to land a huge deal from a desperate team. Minnesota would love to have Bridgewater pan out as their franchise QB, but they can’t completely commit to him. He’s thrown two passes in two years.
Could DeFilippo convince the Vikings to trade for Nick Foles? Minnesota is a very talented team. They are built to win now. There is a strong argument for them trying to get a QB who is ready to win right now. Foles just showed he can deliver in the postseason. He and Flip obviously have a solid relationship. The Vikings saw firsthand how good he can be when things are clicking.
It would not shock me for the Vikings to make a run at him.
That said, I still think Keenum ends up back there. He played really well this year and is a known commodity to them. Foles has a higher upside, but is more risky because of his highs and lows, as well as the fact he would cost at least an early pick. I can’t see the Eagles dealing Foles for less than a 2nd rounder.
And I don’t think the Eagles will just shop Foles. I think they would only trade him if it is something that he’s on board with. I’m not sold that he wants to leave.
Thank you to John DeFilippo for helping to develop Carson Wentz and for helping the Eagles to win a Super Bowl. Now you better focus on a way to slow down Fletcher Cox, Brandon Graham and the rest of the Eagles defense. No mercy will be given when the Vikings and Eagles play in 2018.
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Frank Reich is a possibility to be the next coach of the Colts.
Source: Though the interview is tomorrow, the Colts job is Frank Reich’s if he wants it. Also told that Peyton Manning has offered advice to the Irsays on the head coach and endorses Reich.
— Brad Wells (@BradWellsNFL) February 9, 2018
Colts interviewing Bills DC Leslie Frazier for head coaching vacancy today, @TomPelissero reports https://t.co/Fq4pGskOV1 pic.twitter.com/SmjBHWgKQI
— Around The NFL (@AroundTheNFL) February 10, 2018
I’m not sure if the Frazier interview is strictly to fulfill the Rooney Rule. Frazier was part of the staff that led the Colts to the SB win in 2006. It could be that Jim Irsay wants someone he’s familiar with and has had success with.
I have mixed feelings on Reich. From a selfish standpoint, I hope he doesn’t get the job so the Eagles have staff continuity. I also think Reich does more than people realize and he’s a key part of the Eagles success. At the same time, part of me would like to see him rewarded for what he helped the team accomplish. The Colts would be a good fit for Reich so he would have a chance to win there.
We’ll talk more about the OC situation if Reich leaves. Lots of moving parts with that one.
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Mike Jensen wrote a terrific story about a fan’s wild trip to the Super Bowl.
It will be a long time before I get tired of stuff like this
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Hey, first!
GO BIRDS BABY SB CHAMPS WOOOOOHOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sean E: 1
Westpaceagle: 1
Xeynon: 1
Everybody Else: 0
CrackSammich: -1 (Penalty for calling attention to it).
RobNE: -1
GENETiC-FREAK: -2 (Penalty for calling attention to it. Second penalty for whining).
I think you should combine your two gimmicks in a crossover post. Suggested post:
“Let’s face it guys, Sean E has this one wrapped up. Nobody else has a shot. Its going to be 93-0.”
We are all winners.
Sean E’s really faded since we started playing for real.
In the post-season there’s a lot more pressure.
Philly Special from front
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My friend in town works for tv station was on the field after the game stuffed his pockets with confetti to send me. So great but I’m thrown by the classy Pats fan. Who knew?? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a03e6821375d943a367157d9afe343d989d9291f107507ac03c3f2edd8a4c20a.jpg
I’m sure this is an attractive enough job for hungry young coaches to want to come here if they hire from outside the team. In either case losing good guys to promotions elsewhere hurts, but leaves you open to getting another set of better ones in the door. I hope it goes that way.
We say this all the time but might be time for a banner update.
Jason Kelce !
Doug!
Agreed. Tommy, its a new era of Eagles football. Time for a new banner.
someone make him one? But would Foles be the QB? Or Foles and Wentz? You can’t really leave out Foles, even if he might be getting shipped, right? Would you have Blount because of his “Blunt-Force” SB? But he might not be back, too.
Duuuuuuuuce. Will be our next OC.
Noooooooooooooooooooo
What do you have against Duce? He’s pretty highly regarded by people in football circles from what I’ve heard. He’s supposed to have an excellent understanding of the entire offense. I can understand not wanting him to call plays since he’s never done it before, but I think he can fill Reich’s role.
His substitution patterns with the RB group are often befuddling. I don’t know what he does other than make friends with reporters.
Pederson stated pretty unequivocally that he’s the one who makes the substitution calls since they’re based on what personnel package the Eagles have on the field at a given time and which back they feel is best suited to run it.
Ok, but does that undo how bad Duce was at it when he was swapping out Shady McCoy for bums while Chip was here when Duce was still in charge of that?
I just don’t trust the guy to do much above what he’s currently doing.
McCoy was the bellcow back during both seasons he was here under Chip – he carried the ball 314 times in 2013 and 312 times in 2014, almost 20 per game. Bryce Brown (who was an effective change-of-pace back, not a bum) had 75 carries in 2013, and Chris Polk had 11. In 2014 Sproles had 57 carries (and was also not a bum, averaging 5.8 YPC), while Polk had 46, most of which were garbage time carries in blowout wins over the Texans (8), Panthers (5), Titans (7), and Cowboys (11).
I really don’t think I see a valid criticism here. I don’t want to be running my star RB into the ground, especially if there’s a capable backup who can share the load, and the second half of games you’re winning big is exactly the right time to give the 3rd stringer the rock and save wear-and-tear on the star.
I’m more talking some red zone carries that went away from Shady in the meat of games that didn’t always turned into runs for other guys, but certainly diminished Shady’s TD totals.
Duce has a pretty light coaching resume. He went from a quality control coach to RB coach. And that’s it. It seems like most guys cut their teeth with some college coaching experience first.
Reminds me a little of making Greg Lewis our WR coach. If it happens, we’ll have to hope Duce has shown some promise behind the scenes as opposed to them just wanting to do a favor for one of their guys.
Doug Pederson had a light coaching resume when the Eagles hired him as HC.
Of course Duce will have to have something beside his resume to recommend him, but I don’t think it should disqualify him by any stretch.
Doug’s resume isn’t anywhere near as light as Duce’s:
Four years as a high school head coach (33-7 record, with a district title).
Two years as an NFL offensive quality control coach.
Two years as an NFL QB coach.
Three years as an NFL OC.
(Not to mention 12 years as an actual NFL QB.)
But I’m glad you agree that Duce needs more than just his resume to become OC.
I concur. I love Duce and want to see him advance, but I think he needs to take a step back and get an OC and/or HC job in college.
If Reich leaves he might get that position here.
I wonder if getting rid of Greg Lewis really helped our WRs. I thought it was a BS scapegoat move at the time, but they sure seemed to catch better this year!
I remember people defending Greg Lewis after last season, blaming the players (“Look what he has to work with!”). The ascendance of Nelson Agholor this year is a huge indictment on him.
Just goes to show it’s really hard sometimes to tell how much a team’s success is the talent of the players, and how much is the coaching.
Yeah, but then… actually they swapped out all the players except Ags, so…
But Ags couldn’t catch last year. Drop after drop after drop. This year, he’s making amazing catches AND getting crazy yards after the catch.
Plus, he actually lined up correctly in every game. No illegal formation penalties.
I guess what I’m saying is, Mike Groh >>>>>> Greg Lewis.
Blount offered this endorsement unsolicited:
http://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/will-duce-staley-get-head-coaching-opportunity
I wish John all the best but I don’t think his loss is a big deal. Carson Wentz is going to be a great qb no matter who is his position coach.
Yeah, when was the last time a superstar QB lost his QB coach and fell apart?
I can’t think of a time it’s ever happened.
I was just getting ready to upvote your more detailed post above for covering the whole situation in more detail.
To answer your current question, if a superstar QB loses a position coach and falls apart, he is not a superstar QB.
I don’t know where our bye hits next season but CW’s injury was pretty serious, and I trust that Pederson will want a doctor’s blood oath before he let’s Wentz near live play. The last QB that had ACL/LCL surgery was RGIII as far as I know. I think keeping Foles is not a luxury, and Wentz is no doubt going to have to make adjustments once he does resume playing. The schedule will be tougher by design, so next season will be a brand new and possibly bigger challenge. Should be fun to take in.
From what I’ve read, the LCL complicates the rehab somewhat, but doesn’t necessary lengthen the time frame – it’s more a matter of the patient having to work harder and put up with more pain to get back within the same time. We know Carson wants to be back on the field as soon as he can. And he’s already moving around without assistance, throwing balls on the field before games, and flexing his knee fully (see the picture of him proposing to his GF). I think there’s reason to be optimistic.
That said, I do agree that there’s a lot of value in keeping Foles. I don’t think they should trade him unless (1) Wentz’s rehab is coming along well, (2) somebody blows them away with an offer, and (3) Foles actually wants to be traded.
We saw how imp number one seed is. I’m not trading him except for a godfather offer. We are repeating. Plus how many starters would be ok watching his team win without him without getting insecure. And how many backups could win SB and not get pissy he isn’t the starter. My guess is only these two. I’m proud of these guys.
I agree completely. I am glad DiFilippo is moving on. He probably has nothing left to teach Wentz and maybe it will be good for Wentz to learn some new things from someone with a different point of view.
Wouldn’t Colts have fulfilled the Rooney rule earlier, before they thought they hired McDaniels?
I’d assume they must have. It’s not a new vacancy as McDonald’s (entertaing autocorrect) didn’t actually sign.
I still love all of you
Losing smart coaches never helps, but there are several things that I think mitigate it in our case:
(1) Wentz has already reached superstar QB status so I think much of Flip’s work is done here. Yes, there are still tweaks that can be made to his game, and things he can improve on, but it’s much easier to do that than to make major adjustments to a young player’s game.
(2) As you mention, Pederson himself is an offensive coach, and a pretty hands on one. He’s the one that designed the offense, along with Reich, and he calls the plays, so losing Reich wouldn’t be like losing Shanahan was to the Falcons (or the Rhodes Eagles losing Gruden as you point out).
(3) Doug is not an egotistical guy and won’t be threatened by bringing in qualified replacements – he’s willing to take good ideas from anybody who brings them to him (he credited Press Taylor with Philly Special). He seems to have a pretty good sense for hiring good assistants as well.
(4) Speaking of qualified candidates, we may already have them in-house. Groh played QB and has coached the position before, and Duce is probably ready to make the jump to OC at this point.
And we won the GD super bowl.
I am betting on Stanley if Reich leaves. I think he is underrated by people on the outside.
I’m not sure who this Stanley guy is, but I think Duce Staley would do well as OC. 🙂
I think Duce at OC, Groh as QB coach, and Taylor at WR coach makes sense though taking Groh from the WRs doesn’t thrill me. Still if he wants the move, it makes sense.
Is Reich gone?
Not yet but he sounds like he could be the guy and front runner. Per this TL article:
Brad Wells
@BradWellsNFL
Source: Though the interview is tomorrow, the Colts job is Frank Reich’s if he wants it. Also told that Peyton Manning has offered advice to the Irsays on the head coach and endorses Reich.
This will make me more mad at the Pats.
Maybe Frank won’t want to go to that hellhole either and work for Irsay and with a QB that might have a long road back.
Look at it this way: when Belichick leaves and Brady retires, it will be all the more delicious to watch McDaniels fail as the new coach when it turns out “the Patriot Way” and Joshy boy’s offensive genius aren’t actually as important to winning as having an all-time great QB, and once McDaniels gets fired for going 3-13 with some scrub QB he’ll never get another job in the NFL since he nuked his bridges with the rest of the league with this Indianapolis stunt.
No no. They have a system where they get the players to buy in. It’s called teamwork or something. No one else knows. Timing of that with greatest HC, QB and TE of all time is mere coincidence and really if anything a secondary factor.
You mean to tell me that “Do your job” is not proprietary Patriots? Someone let the other 31 teams know. /s
Man.. reality is going to be painful for them.
I swear this was a recent conversation.
Is there video, interview transcript, etc. anywhere of Duce talking shop? Folks keep mentioning his name, and Doug himself praises Duce, but I rarely see him mentioned in the media. Or is he just a low-key, head-down kinda guy?
Talking to the media is something position coaches rarely if ever do, but everybody who works closely with Duce speaks highly of him. I believe Corey Clement called him a “genius”.
I’m not sure Mike Shula would be the right fit. He was suggested elsewhere. I don’t think he’s a WCO guy is he? Not that we’re just a WCO . I don’t know if we’re even 50%.
He seems to do great and then fizzle. That one year he pushed the right buttons at Carolina until he met the Broncos.
There’s a good chance that a Shula or Bevell get brought in to the offensive staff in some role if we lose Reich. Just another veteran guy with outisde ideas that a new OC can help bounce ideas off of, Doug is still the playcaller though so it’s not too much of a concern.
So the filmmakers of “Tom vs. Time” have had to delay the latest episode because the Patriots losing the Super Bowl has forced them to re-shoot and change the narrative.
Such a shame.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/02/09/tom-vs-times-sixth-episode-patriots-super-bowl-loss
Ha ha (Nelson voice)
You should ask your neighbors how Brady participating in this ridiculous self-centered documentary series about how he’s going to do something no other human being has ever done because he’s just so damn competitive fits in with the whole “team first” ethos of the Patriots.
I think we’ve entered a golden age of Patriots fan trolling for Patriots haters who live in New England.
Sports radio said this is Brady setting up post career where he will sell lifestyle fitness type stuff.
They think Pats are set even after BB, Brady and Gronk are gone. Grady doing this doesn’t even register.
They think Pats are set even after BB, Brady and Gronk are gone.
The delusion is strong with these ones.
Yes, I mean, set with what exactly? The unbeatable dynamo of James White and Julian Edelman?
If (when?) Reich gets hired, the brain drain from the coaching staff could only increase if he tries to take some of the position coaches with him. So stay tuned there…
I do have to wonder if bringing in coaches from the outside would only help the offense evolve a bit more. Pederson seems like he’s open to any and all input from his coaches and I wonder if outside ideas wouldn’t just give us some new wrinkles to our plays. Personality fit will be key obviously, as it is with any organization (football or otherwise), but new people from different systems means new ideas.
I think as long as Pederson remains head coach the Eagles will be in a good situation.
I think promoting people is the flip side. Losing Duce to the Giants would make me sad especially if Reich leaves. I think out of all these guys that’d be the worst loss if Duce goes.
“I can definitely see him being a coordinator or a head coach,’’ Eagles rookie running back Corey Clement, coming off a 100-yard receiving eruption in Super Bowl LII, told The Post. “Duce really carries that type of mindset that not many people really think like he does. The guy’s a genius. Definitely a genius.’’
https://nypost.com/2018/02/09/pat-shurmur-should-hire-rising-star-duce-staley-as-giants-oc/
I don’t think the Eagles would have to let any of their position coaches leave. I’d expect they block anyone Reich tries to take given where it is in the hiring cycle.
This is cool:
https://youtu.be/XHZN__oD-3M?t=1m25s
Best part of that was the repeated shots of Matt Patricia looking dumbfounded on the sidelines.
If I’m a Lions fan, I’m not exactly feeling great about my team’s new HC right now.
Eagles got fooled just as badly on a similar play, but the Patriots couldn’t execute it.
So the discussion about trading Foles is well underway already and somehow some people are of the opinion that he wont have much of a market. Now you can debate what he is worth to this team – and wether they should even trade him to anyone he doesnt like to play for, and I have strong opinions on that topic. But, to begin with, the idea that he won’t fetch many good offers seem laughable to me, at least based on his skillset and record.
Presumably, Cousins is the favorite target for teams in win-now’ish mode. Maybe that is true, but I don’t think that makes a lot of sense. Sure, Cousins comes without giving up picks, but that also means that he will cost a LOT of money. Guaranteed. Why is this important?
Well, Cousins hasnt actually had any postseason success. People talk of him like he is some kind of franchise savior, but he hasnt exactly saved the redskins in any way. As has been pointed out here before, his win/loss record against teams with a winning record is abysmal – and that is with a good coaching staff, one of the best Olines in the league and above average pass catchers at his disposal. If I were a GM, Id be very scared to fork out 90 mill guaranteed to Cousins and setup my team so that he would have to carry the offense with no money left to pay elite skill position players. I believe that some team will do this, and that they will be very sorry in about 18 months time.
If I were a GM, I’d much rather go and trade for Foles who has, what 7,5 mill on the books next year. It gives you the ability to franchise tag him after that – meaning negotiating a new deal for him right now would begin somewhere around the average of those two years as the yearly, fully guaranteed money for the first two years on the deal. That figures to be well under 20 mill/year and you probably dont have to fully guarantee more than 3 years on the contract for him since he is now 30 years old. Money-wise then, Foles will cost a LOT less than cousins who might fetch opwards of 30/mill a year and the bidding war will inevitably become a matter of guaranteeing an absurd amount of that money – maybe the entire contract of the bidding gets very hot.
I think smart teams will be more concerned with Cousins abilities on the field. After all, Foles is the only one who has proven that he can come up big in big games, and this really means everything. Cousins has not proven that he can do this yet. So if you can get Foles for close to half the guaranteed money AND you feel like he gives you no worse of a chance (if not better) to win the whole thing, why on earth wouldnt you give up a lot of draft capital to get him? I mean, the alternative is to fork out high 1st or more for the likes of Goff, Bortles, Manziel and Mariota and do you really feel much better about going down that road if you are a team like the Broncos, Cardinals, Jaguars, Jets, Giants or Dolphins and you need a QB to take what you feel is a talented team as far as it can go?
This is the craziest off season of QB stuff I can remember for a long time.
Absolutely. I like to think that, just as Pederson is about to change the entire leagues approach to 4th down, Roseman has changed everybodys approach to trading.
It’s going to be completely nuts and teams are looking at us and what WE DID!
It’s rare to have a top 15 QB who’s also under 30 hit the free agent market.
Last time I can recall it happening is when Brees left San Diego.
I think the Eagles will get calls about Foles. However, I don’t expect the market for him to heat up until after free agency and the first day of the draft, when teams who lost the Cousins sweepstakes, and/or missed out on the prospect they wanted in the first round, will start calling.
The Eagles should be in no hurry to deal him and if it happens I wouldn’t anticipate it being until the draft at the earliest.
And if you wait until April, you might be able to wait until Wentz is fully back and somebody gets a bad QB injury prior to the trade deadline.
Teams who are not in the top of the draft might try to get ahead here. If you are the cardinals or the bills, you cant expect to be able to draft anyone who is ready to help you win. Also, NIcky played his college ball in Arizona and they have a pretty good team who was set up to make a push for it with their veteran QB. My eyes are on Arizona, think it makes just too much sense for Foles to ‘go home’ and play ball there for a handful of years.
That’s true, but I think it will depend on the mindset and current situation of the team in question. For an already decent team that just needs a QB, like Denver or Buffalo, I could see Foles being more attractive than he’d be for a team that’s outright rebuilding.
Arizona might feel like they have a good team. Patrick Peterson, Honey Badger and a few nice defensive linemen gives them pieces to field a good defense, and they might have the best RB in the league coming back from injury along with some genuine talent at receiver. I think the question is their O-line. You know Foles doesnt give you many second-reaction plays, and I am not sure how confident they are there. Regardless I can see them being in “winning-while-rebuilding” mode, much like Pederson and Roseman was with us two years ago. They have good pieces and can’t just blow the team up.
Foles + Johnson with Larry Fitz (if he doesn’t retire) and the Browns at WR is a good foundation for an RPO-heavy offense, but the OL is going to be an issue as you say. If the new Cards offense goes in that direction they’d need to invest in better blocking first.
I could see them going out and spending some money there for sure.
I don’t disagree with your main point but the Redskins OL was battered this year and the receivers were meh – pryor busted and crowder stunk in many games. Their backs were below average.
Yea, I mean this year was probably the worst team he has played on. But go back to last year, where everyone was healthy (except the TE for stretches). And look at his win/loss against winning teams. It is very, very bad. Essentially he has only beaten bad teams and a few good ones where the offense didnt score many points. I just dont see how nobody is talking about this.
Oh yeah agreed. I’m not saying he’s a Super Bowl QB or worth a huge contract but he’s a good QB.
That was a knock on Reid and McNabb in many years. It’s a legit concern.
We had a tremendous OL for Nick. I don’t think Washington has the team and coaching the Eagles have.
Nick needs a wall in front of him so he needs to go to a really strong team to repeat this or even get close to it.
He’s a legend don’t get me wrong.
If the contract rumors are true, and if traded Foles would be on a four year deal paying about $26m with the last three as option years, then Foles should be worth a good bit more than a second round pick. Cousins at $30m per year is a massive overpay as you say.
Yea, and really you should be able to get Foles for less than that. If you trade for him and franchise him, you have him for two years for a combined 30 mill approximately. That is nothing. Now to get him to sign a deal, you would of course have to guarantee him money in the third year, and maybe offer him a higher annual salary. But you wont have to go anywhere near 26/year. Because you’d have him locked in for a lot less to begin with. The difference in the price tag on these two players is going to be huge in a way that really matters.
Based on what people have said, if traded, Foles’ entire contract would be 4yrs/$26m. $7.6/$6.1/$6.1/$6.1 or thereabouts. Now that contract would almost certainly get torn up, but the team would have so much leverage, I agree a new deal would probably be in the $15m per year range, which would be about half of what Cousins will make.
I have seen those reports as well, and they dont make a lot of sense to be honest. Why would his agent ever allow him to sign any contract that can put him under a teams control for that sort of money – it doesnt even take into account the rising salary cap. Has it been reported by someone credible?
Not that I’ve seen, and I’m skeptical as well.
Foles is going to sign a new contract for Mike Glennon money?
Eh, maybe not. This was based on a) Foles not seeming like a guy that cares all that much about the money, b) the new team having significant leverage in this scenario, and c) my complete unwillingness to accept the new reality of the QB market where even mediocre players are making over $20m a year.
I’d used the Glennon deal the other day in a conversation about what I’d give Keenum. Just a richer version of it. Go 3 / $54 mil rather than 3 / $45. Foles would be working off of Carr at this point I think.
Unless he tells you to shove it up your ass and won’t report to camp until you give him a new contract. Franchise tag doesn’t help that.
The Eagles won’t probably sell for less than a 2nd round pick or a 3rd round pick plus a good player. You don’t have to pay Kirk $30/million a year. Some GMs would probably rather pay $15-20 million/year for Bradford, Keenum, or Bridgewater than give up a draft pick.
You have to look at the teams that need QB:
CLE- They have the #1 and #4 pick. If they don’t take a QB then that franchise deserves to be burned to the ground.
NYJ- They need a long term answer and probably go after one with the #6 pick in the draft.
MIN- They’d most likley rather stick with one their free agents a guy who knows their system. I doubt the Eagles would trade them Foles since they are a competitive conference rival
DEN- They’re not as close to contending as people think they are. They have the #5 pick which is where I think they should look for a QB.
ARI- Good fit but they’re a conference rival for the Eagles.
BUF- Good fit. I’d like to see him there. They’re better off trading for him than using both of their 1st round picks to go after someone.
JAX- My guess is that if they do go with another QB, it would be for Eli.
The huge advantage Foles gives is his contract is tiny for the team that trades for him ~$5.5mil, and he is a veteran player who obviously can come up huge in pressure games. Because of that i think he is far more attractive to teams that are looking to contend right now than teams that are 1-2 years away of team building who would be better served with a young QB to grow with the team.
Think Arizona (college connection helps sell the move to fans), Minnesota, Denver and Jax are the most likely, although i could see Buffalo lying to themselves about how close they really are. The sneaky outside shot could be the Bungles, if they finally admit they cannot win it with Dalton, and are feeling pressure they could retool with Foles and try and give it one last shot.
I agree. Jax is very interesting. They must be desperate for someone who can just give them a little bit more right now. And since they picked up Bortles 5th year option (so damn stupid it is impossible to comprehend) they have him on the books for something like 19 mill this year. So they cant go out and sign a Cousins or anyone really who doesn’t come cheap. But Foles, with his contract, might be possible for them. And since they are loaded everywhere else they might feel like parting with their 1st and give it a shot to go all the way. Otherwise I am thinking Arizona and Denver as well. I don’t see DeFillipo bringing Foles to Minnesota.
Nick doesn’t seem like a cold weather QB. Buffalo might not be the best fit.
Who says you wont have to pay Cousins 30/year? Garoppolo just signed for more than, what, 28 mio./year and that is without a full season of tape AND the team controlled his rights with the franchise tag. I gues we’ll see what happens – I have repeatedly made the point that he is not worth that kind of money. But if there is a bidding war between several teams, this could easily end up being his price tag.
Also, it is easy to say that all of the teams who needs QBs will just take one in the draft. But there just isn’t enough to go around. We are looking at 4 QB who could go in the first round, several on whom are not deemed ready to contend in their first year and have some growing to do (which really means that there is serious concern about their potential in a pro offense.) By your count there are seven teams needing a QB and I would add the Giants who should be picking somone up at nr. 2. The vikes might go with one of their own guys, but I dont see another of these teams signing either Bradford or Bridgewater as anything more than a longshot at this point. Bradford has ruined knees that just stop working for no particular reason and Bridgewater has thrown 2 passes in as many years. Foles just won the superbowl. There is no comparison between these guys really. So, more than one team is going to be left without a QB to contend with in 2018 and Foles is exactly that.
I’ll be very interested to see how it plays out. I am pretty surprised by how much the narrative has changed with him playing basically two good games. I mean–they were spectacular, amazing, jaw-dropping games–but still, I don’t place that much value on them, going forward. They just don’t add that much data to projections.
Here are some other players who had amazing postseason performances: Colin Kaepernick, Mark Sanchez, Joe Flacco, Jake Delhomme (look up the stats if you don’t believe me).
I guess there will always be that team that pays too much for irrational reasons, but as much as I love Nick, I don’t think he’s a savior. I think he would fail on the mature teams you mentioned. I hope not, though. Actually, I hope he stays here and backs up Wentz during the likely missed games.
I think it’s also the addition to the narrative post SB. Everyone talking about the mini training camp for Foles. The changed focus of the play book. That all helps.
And his performance in those 2 games showed high skill level and sufficent physical ability. He showed good pocket skills as well which is one of the big issues he has previously suffered with.
AMAZING deep ball accuracy. Has to be one of the best in the league if not the best when it comes to that. Shit, he made Riley Cooper a deep threat for a full year.
Wouldn’t surprise me that if Chip Kelly didn’t mess him up and then really screw him over by handing him to Jeff Fisher that he could have been a top 10 QB in this league for a couple years now. Chip helped manifest those pocket skill issues, and throwing off his back foot by completely destroying the G position.
I thought he was very impressive as a rookie especially with the team falling apart around him.
I like that idea. I hope it comes out that way. He sure is a cool cat.
His ball placement on deep throws was amazing. Even on the INT it was almost perfect. The throw to Clement was probably the best throw in the entire postseason by any QB. I am not saying he is necessarily a top 10 QB, but this is not a random thing, it is not luck. He still benefited from manufactured reads and a great O-line to help him execute, and his next team will have to do the same. But he can make these throws with elite skill. Someone is going to want that.
It is not just the playoffs, he has played other very good games. People forget, he has his jersey in the HOF already for throwing most TDs in any game in history – along with Peyton Manning. His first stint with us he played a very good playoff game against the Saints, led a cold blooded comeback drive and left the field late in the 4th quarter with the lead. Foles has flashed this ability before, and had the whole 27/2 season too. Sure he was dreadful on the Rams, but so was Keenum and Bradford who both went to Minnesota and looked great, so you might just throw those years out. Backing up in KC he looked pretty decent running the offense as well.
I imagine teams will be watching all the tape and think to themselves; “Well this guy CAN do these amazing things. He doesn’t always do it, but he does it every time he is put in a good position to do it. This means that we can win with him as long as we design the offense to his strengths.” And that is all you really need.
No need to Franchise tag him. HR really hit his contract out of the park. HR likes to trade therefore he sometimes throws clauses in players contracts that make them an even hotter commodity then what just appears.
Per contract:
If Foles is still on the Birds roster at the start of the 2019 league year his contract will be immediately terminated. However, if traded his contract extends out to 2021.
That dramatically heightens his value to other teams. If he balls out then like he did for us then a team will have him at a fraction of the cost other veteran franchise QBs for a few years.
So I have been hearing this a lot. Where did you see it? I mean, from what source? I’ve seen it referenced a few places, and it seems very unlikely to me that he would have signed a deal like this.
Bleedinggreennation.com
Reputable site. It’s right there on offseason preview.
Hmmm.
I assume the hmmm is because you do not approve of BLG. I’m not a fan of his writing style but he is a reputable journalist who works for a reputable institution.
I see, it says: “Foles’ contract with Philadelphia expires after 2018, in all technicality. There are 3 years attached to the contract (through 2021) that automatically expire if he’s still on the Eagles’ roster in 2019. Edit: The extra years of Foles’ contract simply exist so that Philadelphia can spread out his signing bonus across multiple years of the cap. He is, for all intents and purposes, a free agent after 2018.” So by this definition, this just means that his signing bonus can be spread out over 5 years if they move him, not that you can trade him to a team that will then own his rights for three more years. FO does this in order to manage the cap.
That was changed from when I read it. The EDIT was not there.
https://youtu.be/Ld-agLORN3U
Nice analysis. It’s a great point he makes about having a free play at 2:03 (free to throw, that is). The way NE was crowding the box, and the way Nick was throwing, the game definitely could have ended without BG’s heroics.
At that point I probably would not have trusted the D and took shot off a PA.
That was after BG got the strip. But yeah, I was going to post this video solely because of that point. This is the only time Doug got conservative. You can’t argue with making sure the clock kept running, but I was thinking Big Balls Doug would throw a pass on third down. The point that they could have thrown it on second down and not had to worry about a drop because the clock would have stopped anyway, is big. Too bad no one thought of that during the timeout.
When NE called the TO I immediately said it was a mistake because it allowed us to throw without consequence. That was the only play call with which I disagreed.
100% he could have thrown there. Pointed it out live
This guy was critical of the successive run plays called by Pederson after the BG/Barnett sack and fumble recovery. I don’t quite agree with his criticism though.
He thought Doug should have mixed in a pass play on 2nd down. Doug ran it three times and kicked the last FG.
I think Doug had thoughts of the Atlanta Falcons in his head when he kept the ball on the ground, kicked the FG and took the 8-point lead. Atlanta passed it late last year and blew the game.
A pass play might have worked. But if the Pats intercepted it late and returned the ball to score and then gotten a 2-point conversion, it would have been the embarrassment of the year.
It was finally time to play it safe. Our defense got scored on all day of course. But at least the D consistently made Brady use long, time consuming drives in order to score.
Doug did not leave Brady enough time to do that again. So I believe the narrator’s criticism in invalid.
I think calling a passing play there was the right move. The upside is that the game is over if you convert a first down there, and the downside of a sack wouldn’t have been as great as it was for the Falcons last year (when they were far enough from the goal line for it to knock them out of field goal range).
That said, it would have to be a conservative, low risk passing play – quick drop, one or two reads, thrown where only the receiver could catch it, chuck it into the third row if it’s not there immediately.
X, you are bolder than Dougie!
I was glad he decided to take the 8-pt lead. I like most of the aggression. But an error by Foles or even a fluke pick, and Doug would seem irresponsible.
There was an upside to it, and also a heavy downside to a pass call there. I was content.
I agree with X. The missed XP earlier and collapse of the D in the 2nd half would have convinced me to try to get the first down.
Jake’s been predictable. He may miss one early, almost like he’s warming up. But he’s money late in the game from any distance all the time.
Doug’s got you guys on board with the bold calls though. I like them too.
I just won’t second guess him to wind it down, take an 8-pt cushion, and dare Brady to go 75 yards in 63 seconds or whatever it was to tie it at best. And it worked!
I trust in doug now. I can just understand the argument to try a pass there. With that loaded box i would have tried a screen to the RB or slant to Ertz/Ags.
Not going to lie that defense had me nervous, especially when Brady converted on 4th down from his endzone.
If he can fix his XP issue then he will arguably be the best K in the game.
The expected value of a pass is higher than a run. The pass play has a far greater chance of converting the first down, thereby ending the game.
There was a chance of an interception, but only a tiny one. It would not be a “Wilson,” even if there was an I, because it wouldn’t have ended the game.
Running has a low expected value, especially in that situation. Running results in a much higher chance of putting the ball back in Brady’s hands. Given how much Brady had his way with our defense, this is not something you want.
I think Doug made a sub-optimal call there.
The Pats were stacking the box. Nicky was on fire. Doug doesn’t play not-to-lose ball.
Please keep Reich for at least another year. Hate to have that much staff turnover.
I’ll take it if it’s a consequence of getting the Lombardi!
True. Better to be us than the Pats or Vikings right now.
He just got hired to be the Titans HC.
I’m just kiddings
Huh?
Vikings denied QB coach Stefanski an opportunity to interview and probably get the OC job with the Giants lol. If it wasn’t the Giants, I’s say they were real dicks!
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22393490/kevin-stefanski-minnesota-vikings-not-allowed-interview-new-york-giants
If Reich leaves, Duce to OC, Groh to QB coach. Ty Detmer was OC at BYU. I wonder if he would entertain a job with the staff.
“Consequences, but no downside.”
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Awesome assessment.
I guess Crabby McNabby is out of the question.
I still don’t get why people detest him so much. Whenever his name is brought up Philly fans make snide remarks about him. You’d think this guy was the spawn of satan.
When he was here his immaturity and insecurity made his relationship to fans and the press awkward. When he left, he was bitter and passive aggressive. When he retired he said dumb stuff and did even dumber stuff. He was the best QB the team had seen, but he isn’t a good guy. No way do I want him here as a coach or leader.
Donny should retire and play golf the rest of his days.
From my POV it didn’t seem that way. The media, especially WIP, were very critical of everything he said. Everything he said was bland and boring. It wasn’t controversial but for some reason it could fill up hours of radio discussion. He kept his mouth shut during that whole TO saga. What exact statements are people pissed off about?
The only good thing I can say about #5 is that he played on a broken ankle one time. Otherwise he was a stupid, immature, insecure, vomiting, i’m-a-pocket-passer, whiny, worm-killing, 4th Quarter choking douche nozzle. The only reason he is thought of as a good QB is he played here a long time and racked up large numbers in a QB friendly era.
I’d take Jaws over him. I’d take a well-coached Randall over him. Hell, I’d take a fiery Jeff Garcia over him. Every time, EVERY TIME, Andy or Howie/Banner talked about getting a legitimate backup or drafting a QB, they had to give that Chunky Soup eating weasel more money cause his feelings were hurt. Boo Effing Hoo!
Every time I go to the Linc, I shoot double birds at the #5 banner. They never should have retired his number. He’s an ass hat!
Cough *black QB*.
There was certainly that segment while he played. McNabb’s microscopic INT % should have won people over to seeing him at the best QB in team history, but oh well.
My issues with him start after he was traded away as it seemed like every communication had the crybaby and sour grape undertone to it. Add in the DUIs and sex assaults since then and my tolerance for the guy is at an all time low. I can’t even bring myself to wear his jersey at this point.
Donny could have had this city eating out of his hands for the rest of his life as Jaworski Version 2.0. Instead of embracing the city, he made his offseason/retirement home in Arizona and always felt like an outsider.
When you add in his passive-aggressive personality and apparent unwillingness to be coached later in his career, he regressed not only as a player, but as a Philadelphia sports hero.
Yeah, and that’s a shame. Because when you look at his W/L record and stats, you have a great, but not quite HOF QB.
Much of his great int% was due to his lack of nerve..rarely led receivers open, threw worm burners instead of attempting thread the needle, which led to fewer int.s but also fewer completions and extended drives(fewer points ,less wins…didn`t seem to have that killer instinct
just my view
Yes to everything you said.
I could be wrong but I just feel as though his work ethic compared to other successful QBs may have been slightly lacking.
He seemed to be somewhat mentally soft. He didn’t have the killer mentality that you want to see in an athlete especially at QB.
If he started a game playing bad he wouldn’t rebound. It would just continue to go downhill.
I want a QB that is going to do everything in his power to win a game. The decision he made to stop running and just be a drop back QB really infuriated me. He basically chose to not use one of his best tools to assist the team because he wanted to be known/viewed in a certain way.
It is also the way he said things and his body language. That can be just as meaningful as the words that come out of someone’s mouth.
Hit the nail on the head.
Ok grumpy! I didn’t even refer to his DUIs. He’s not exactly an angel either.
I think people are overly negative about McNabb. He was the best QB in franchise history and generally handled things with class while he was here.
That said, he has demonstrated himself to be not the greatest guy in the world since he left.
I only feel negative about McNabb from the point he was traded through now. Prior to that I agree with Xeynon that he was the greatest QB in franchise history, but those days seem so long ago now.
That is a very sad thing to write…talent potential was off the charts, if only his brain, emotional control(never recuperated from the A-holes at the draft, his mother’s press, the TO locker room,the Philly papers(forget anything?)…a legend playing with a broken leg, becoming a pocket passer(that game)-4 TDs in the first half, yet unexplainably slow-walked those final minutes in SB loss
A very frustrating QB…
I should have realized calling someone who was crabby on talk shows crabby would start a war. The over sensitive and insecure Donovan fans on one extreme and now a venomous hater on the other.
It might seem like I was fishing but I really wasn’t. I liked him as a QB. As a person. he’s not my cup of java. He would be on my list of famous people I’d least like to have a beer with. Yes it’s judgmental and I don’t really know him but get over it!
Haha. Donny is crabby. He was a great QB. Always wished he had been a tad more mature.
It’s like the downside to being on top is there’s only one way to go or the downside to being born is you get to die.
Ty Detmer would be fun to see hired directly as the OC as I’m not a fan of Duce as anything more than a back slapper and text message buddy of Reuben Frank.
Based on what exactly?
As if I couldn’t hate Josh McDaniels anymore than I already do. If we had known Frank Reich was leaving we would have promoted DeFillipo to OC. Now we’re gonna lose both because of that little shit in New England.
Watching the SB today today and laffed when they announced he was the new head coach in Indy .. like 1st Qtr
MN job is still a better spot for Flip than Philly is. He gets to call plays and will be largely autonomous w/ a defensive HC.
That’s a good point, but I also had heard that he loved Philly and was considering staying even as the QB coach if the right opportunity didn’t present itself. Either way…screw Josh McDaniels
Even with out a qb. Minny has everything
Hey Flip didn’t wait to see so that might indicate he wanted full control of the offense. Minny may have pressured him to decide I guess.
Everyone thought Doug was hired because he was spineless and wouldn’t question Howie.
I guess the Eagles front office knew first hand how detailed and talented he was.
I didn’t like him because the offense in KC was bland and his name looked too much like the word “pedestrian”. He also seemed like a Jeff Fisher type coach. Not good enough to lead a superbowl team but not bad enough that they are the Cleveland Browns.
Anyway, this season by Pederson was arguably the greatest coaching performance in NFL history.
So you are saying the Great andy reid was holding him back ..
Doug Pederson had greatness in him and it was Andy Reid holding him back the whole time???
Who knew? Nobody.
That’s like the article out there on PFT today that says:
“Jeff Fisher’s Rams were a hotbed of quarterback talent.”
I mean, who knew? Obviously not Jeff Fisher. Nobody knew.
It’s good to be the NFL Champions, isn’t it?
Apparently a lot of people in the Packers organization:
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‘The Front Doctor’
Hasselbeck figured, as the practice squad quarterback in 1998, that it would be his responsibility to take on the menial task of charting everything that happens during a game.
But head coach Mike Holmgren and quarterbacks coach Andy Reid trusted one person with that job.
“Charting the game is the worst thing you could ever have to do,” Hasselbeck said. “If I ever had to be in full uniform and chart a game, I would want to quit. But Doug wanted to chart because he felt like he was really in the game, and he was so good at getting Brett and Mike and Andy real accurate information, and he was doing it from the sideline.
“He was able to tell things that had to do with the D-line; he would be able to tell the defensive front — most coaches have to be up in the press box, and they wouldn’t even always get it right from up there, but he would do it from the sideline. Brett would call him ‘The Front Doctor,’ meaning he’d call the defensive front, and Doug could see it from his vantage point, and he was always right.”
Pederson, according to Hasselbeck, had the uncanny ability to recognize what a defense had planned based on what the linemen would do before the snap.
“There was one game where he discovered if the defensive end was the last guy to put his hand in the dirt, that he would be the guy fire zoning — dropping out — so the blitz is coming away from him,” Hasselbeck said. “I feel like I’ve been around a lot of great coaches. Doug was never my coach, but he probably taught me the most that first year.”
Well, there you go. So Andy knew Doug had greatness in him. And Favre and Hasselback and Holmgren.
But not Mike Lombardi…
When I hear Doug’s story told, it seems like he was destined to be a head coach.
This is good stuff.
Philly Philly! !
Remember when Pederson was criticized for mis managing the clock his last year in KC during the playoffs. Many believed this was proof that Pederson was Reid’s clone.
As I look back, and I have no proof, my gut tell me that Pederson took the blame in order to protect Reid.
I would guess as much. Offensive coordinators don’t generally manage the clock, that’s almost always the HC’s responsibility.
Probably Alex Smith too
would say limiting his create freedom, cause as HC, the buck stops here with Andy…so it is very possible that indeed
“the Great andy reid was holding him back ..“
I don’t know. Your name looks a lot like a colonoscopy and I like you a little bit.
Fun fact- Donald Kalinowski isn’t my real name. It’s just a name I made up in college to email a professor about an exam so that he wouldn’t know my real name or know how little I paid attention in his class. I just started using this email when Tommy’s site started requiring it an email.
So you picked the name! I’m just messing with you…it made me laugh the pedestrian thing cause other people called Dougie much worse based on his last name…
I use Stu Pitt as one of my extra names
I love that story.
That’s a Doug Pederson caliber story.
Next thing you’re going to say you’re not really a cat wearing a tie.
At least the name is much more realistic than Ron Mexico. Great story!
And, hopefully, doesn’t involve knowingly infecting somebody with herpes.
This is my real name.
Everyone thought Doug was hired because he was spineless and wouldn’t question Howie.
Definitely not everyone. I thought this was a dumb hot take unsupported by any evidence whatsoever even at the time.
That’s not to say I knew Doug was going to be a great coach, but I was reserving judgment.
I thought Doug was hired because he played to some organizational strengths, and because he had “potential” upside compared to Chip by being “a pro coach” and not “a college guy.”
Doug played to our winning traditions under Reid. And Howie’s front office and scouts knew how to pick Andy-style O linemen and 4-3 D linemen in that style. Chip was harder to pick players for on offense and with his 3-4 defense.
I didn’t see any negatives with Doug. That “spineless” narrative seemed to come from all the former Howie haters.
When guys like Sean Payton, Bill Bellichick, Mike Tomlin, Jon Gruden, Mike McCoy, Kyle Shanahan, Ben Macadoo, and Josh McDaniels were hired they were seen as young, energetic “masterminds” who would make a complete turnaround on the roster, change the team culture, and be a step ahead of the rest of the league. They were highly touted assistants that performed their job really well and were rumored to be HC candidates during their tenure.
There was never any rumors about Doug being a HC candidate and the offense KC ran was very bland. It took them 7 minutes to run a 2-minute drill when they were down by two possessions late in the 4th quarter, they didn’t have a single TD reception to a WR, and they didn’t attempt a lot of deep passes. It was a pussy offense meant to control the time of possession and rely on the defense to make stops.
The KC offense didn’t really inspire any confidence and it wasn’t intuitive in any way. It seemed really confusing when they brought him in and it seemed like a courtesy. When he said “Gee Golly it was good too see Lurie again!” I thought to myself “who the fuck is this guy”? He didn’t seem confident or assertive in the press conferences or media interviews either.
Andy Reid’s boring West Coast style won him 11, 9 and 11 games again in 2013, ’14 and ’15. Two playoff berths and one division round bid were included.
His offenses had some quirks, but they also featured a strong TE contribution with Travis Kelce and some amazing three-headed running back contributions with and without Jamal Charles.
So compared to the direction Chip’s duck soup offense had taken by 2015, downhill all the way, Reid’s offense looked like pure gold. And several years of potential Reid-like stability in Doug must have been hard to resist.
Didn’t`t help that his chosen D coach was out of his depth with the 3-4 style; first major mistake.
2016: closest thing to Andy hopefully
2017: holy shit he’s improved sooooo much
2018: GOAT
Said this before, but Doug is kind of the exact opposite of Chip. Pro-guy. Wins by winning time of possession. Humble. Acts dumber than everyone else in the room at press conference. Can work with Howie. Doesn’t need complete control. Runs a 4-3 D. Has actually played football before. Coached in the NFL before. Gets along with the players. Is gutsy. Can make adjustments. Is tall…
Actually is an aggressive decision taker.
Is innovative in his offensive designs….
Yeah Doug has more than 5 plays in the playbook.
Very true, and also is the exact opposite in terms of philosophy regarding players versus scheme. Chip believed in scheme to the extreme, and wanted almost robotic like parts that could be swapped out on the fly with the exact same skillsets.
Pederson believes in players over scheme, which I think history demonstrates is really the way it is.
Kelly,in college, had(has) a 100+ players to choose from
In the pros was limited, couldn`t adjust.
Is tall… hahaha!!!
Is Doug Pederson’s coaching tree already better than Belichick’s?
That’s like taking candy from a baby.
gah, I guess it was inevitable that we’d lose some guys. Still sucks, hopefully Doug does better replenishing the coaching staff than AR did.
Also, isn’t it strange that Schwartz isn’t getting any buzz for HC? I figured his redemption story was going to come to fruition this year or the next, but he hasn’t really been getting a sniff.
I think it’s because teams seem to be going after “clean-slate” candidates. Matt Patricia is a good example. While their styles are different, I would say that both have excellent DC résumés. However, Schwartz has the Detroit blemish.
I also think that teams look at coaches that adapt to the strengths of their players. Pederson and Belichick are flexible on how they use players and the systems they run.
Schwartz is old school. He needs players that not only fit his system, but his personally.
His lack of mentoring coaches under him also doesn’t help.
Yeah but teams are clearly ignoring the Belichick assistants are butt outside of New England principle.
Not that I’m complaining I’m glad we’re retaining Schwartz, but goddamn if Pats assistants don’t just flop over and over and over.
Schwartz got his first promotion from Bill.
Schwartz on a 2nd chance would be interesting, but he really did a bad job as a HC in Detroit and is really not for everybody in the personality department.
And yes, you’d hope Pederson does a better job than Andy at replacing coaches.
He got some buzz at the end of the regular season. The Giants, Colts and Titans were all reported to be interested at one point. If the Eagles hadn’t kept winning, maybe they’d actually even have interviewed him.
“Lane Johnson: Eagles players have fun, Patriots players have fear”
Posted by Michael David Smith on February 11, 2018, 7:02 AM EST
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/02/11/lane-johnson-eagles-players-have-fun-patriots-players-have-fear/
The Eagles players and fans are much cooler than Pats players and fans. Better lookin’, too.
I think the Pats had a lot of fun after their first SB victory. If Doug wants to make post-season success a habit, the carrot is going to get shorter, and the stick will get longer, I suspect. When people bust their asses and achieve something, there is a natural tendency to relax, and to expect the same results will be achieved with less energy expended. I really respect the cheater’s success in tweaking his team’s attention to every last detail year in and year out. His QB’s self-discipline makes it easier I guess.
I wonder how attractive the Colts job is now that they already have assistant coaches in place that a head coach doesn’t have the choice to choose. These coaches need to match the scheme and mindset of the coach or the new head coach needs to be desperate and willing to take any job. This could affect Reich going to the Colts if the assistants don’t match his vision and he doesn’t want to be put into a situation he doesn’t feel he will succeed. McDaniels really screwed them, what a POS.
It isn’t an attractive job at all because you don’t know how healthy Luck is, the owner is a drug addict, and you’re more likely to get fired in the next 2 seasons than not unless you get peak Luck from week 1.
I’m sure there will be jobs next year with teams that are picking a QB early, have a ton of cap space, and don’t have owners as bad is Irsay.
Depending on who they take at QB, the Browns could be a great job next year.
I don’t see Hue righting the ship.
Looking at the division, Big Ben will be retiring soon and the Ravens and Bengals are middling at best.
The Browns also have a fanatical fan base that has been crushed with terrible ownership/management/coaching.
That’s a 100% correct plan, but they’d promote Todd Haley in house before they hired Reich if you believe that Haley is Dorsey’s boy.
Losing coaches; we’re in the off season now I guess……………………….
so what do y’all think we need to do with the roster going into next year?
I don’t want to get into every single decision, but…..
– I’m ok with moving Foles if there an offer we can’t refuse, but can understand why you’d keep him for sure.
– Vinny Curry’s $11 million salary cap hit for 2018 is way out of line given his sack total and anticipate rise in snap count for your 5 sack 2nd year DE taken with a premium pick. Curry needs to be offered a salary reduction deal.
– Love you Brent Celek, but you can reduce your salary or leave as well
– Torrey Smith is an amazing human being, but Ags / Hollins are ready for those targets
– Getting that money back in the mix should allow you to keep Bradham and extend Graham.
– I have no idea what do to with Kendricks. He played better this year, but he’s not of the field enough to justify that cap him when Hicks is healthy. We don’t have a replacement level LB in-house for his snaps,but I look at that RB TD he allowed vs. Seattle and wonder who and/or what we’re actually replacing.
– Beau Allen, Patrick Robinson, and Trey Burton; I love what all 3 of you did this year, but I think you’re worth more to another team than you are to us. Please go earn as much as you can and feel free to come back here for your current salaries if you wind up not making it elsewhere in another year or two.
– We don’t have enough draft picks right now. And I don’t want to have to trade down from 32 to get a 2nd and up from our 4/4/5/5 to get a 3rd. But then again we’ll never have enough picks for my liking.
And because he deserves his own line………..I’m not messing with Peters until I see what he can do. Either Peters wins his old job back, looks good enough to be traded to somebody who will start him, or retires. The only 100% unacceptable end to his time here is if we cut him and somebody else gets him without giving us an asset.
I’m not crazy about letting Robinson go, but if he wants a payday he will have to go. If he’s amenable to a league average for slot defenders, I hope HR can make it happen. I don’t think there’s anybody on the roster who can play that position as well as he did this year.
We have the best CB in the draft coming back to play for us next year and Rasul will be a year more ready. I can’t justify the money to keep Robinson that he’s clearly earned with another team. More power to the dude.
I cannot see Peters on another team. His relationship with Lurie and his importance to this team makes me think he would either play guard or retire if he doesn’t win back his spot.
We’ll certainly find out. All things being equal, he comes back strong and is our starting OT for one more pro bowl season.
You can’t do anything with Peters anyway until he’s cleared to play right?
That’s true if you’re talking timing of a cut to avoid a grievance (if he doesn’t want you to cut him earlier as a courtesy), but I think they give him a chance to play for his spot no matter what.
I couldn’t resist. Nobody I liked was there at 32 (i.e. anybody worth it at OT), so this is what resulted. Obviously 2-14, 3-7, and 3-13 is too generous for 1-32, so assume a player I don’t want here left in the deal as well.
Round 2 Pick 14 (CINN): Jerome Baker, OLB, Ohio State (B+)
Round 3 Pick 7 (DEN): Nick Chubb, RB, Georgia (A)
Round 3 Pick 13 (CINN): Mason Cole, C/OT, Michigan (A)
Round 4 Pick 31: Trey Quinn, WR, Southern Methodist (A+)
Round 4 Pick 32: Nick Nelson, CB, Wisconsin (A+)
Round 5 Pick 19: Folorunso Fatukasi, DT, Connecticut (A+)
Round 5 Pick 32: Terrell Edmunds, SS, Virginia Tech (A)
Round 6 Pick 32: Nick Gates, OG, Nebraska (A+)
Chubb is a third rounder now? I don’t follow college, but I thought they were talking about him being better than Zeke when Elliott was drafted.
Chubb hasn’t quite gotten all the way back to what he was before his nasty knee injury imo but these simulators aren’t always on the money with their rankings and simulations.
Chubb was good this year but he just didn’t look quite as fast as he did before the injury. However sometimes it takes a couple years.
Maybe. Rookie RBs did so well last year that I think more start going 2nd round again.
Probably more late 2nd into the 3rd round range. Just looks more like Alfred Morris than Frank Gore nowadays.
Round 2 Pick 13 (G.B.): Duke Ejiofor, DE, Wake Forest (B)
Round 3 Pick 12 (G.B.): Darius Leonard, OLB/ILB, South Carolina State (B+)
Round 4 Pick 14 (G.B.): Royce Freeman, RB, Oregon (A+)
Round 4 Pick 31: Durham Smythe, TE, Notre Dame (B)
Round 4 Pick 32: Adam Breneman, TE, Massachusetts (C)
Round 5 Pick 19: Bradley Bozeman, C, Alabama (D)
Round 5 Pick 32: Terrell Edmunds, SS, Virginia Tech (A)
Round 6 Pick 32: Joe Ostman, DE/OLB, Central Michigan (A)
Cross out Ostman and put in this kid Sutton Smith, DE, Northern Illinois. He has no position right now (WLB?) because he’s barely 6-1, 230 and a sack artist but he’ll be a monster on special teams. He’s so fast and athletic.:
https://youtu.be/I3OeCCQ9Jtc
Interesting, nice work. I think returner, especially of punts, is a must with one of the picks this year. And I like the TE a lot.
Elijifor just had rotator cuff surgery. Will likely be a redshirt
Rankins wasn’t available?
So Doug was able to do in only 2 years what Andy hasn’t in 19 years. Not only did he win the SB in his second overall year, but he did it without control of personel, something Andy had in Philly since 2001. I’m sure Andy is happy for Doug and the Eagles, because that’s the kind of guy he is. But it has to get to him on a personal level that he hasn’t been able to win the Lombardi after 14 seasons with the Eagles and 19 total as a coach. In a copycat league it will be interesting to see if coaches are more aggressive because of Doug’s success.
In retrospect, Andy should stop big boying qualified personnel people out of their jobs. Modrak, Banner, Dorsey, etc. Having good people at multiple levels of your organization both working together and trusting each other to handle their responsibilities is best.
You nailed it Media Mike !! And that is at the heart of AR.. he is the massive ego that so many of these guys are but he isnt quale to be a big badass ego and he hides it behind his “im just a regalar guy” facade .. he is duplicitous and sheeet on the fans with every snub in his pressers .. that’s why is fair, easy and fun to hold him accountable
“…something Andy had in Philly since 2001.” Therein lies the rub.
One thing Andy had to deal with every year was contract disputes between the front office and some key veteran players. Joe Banner is a smart guy but his dealings did create a lot of friction in the locker room.
You had key players like Hugh Douglas, Corey Simon, Jeremiah Trotter, Bobby Taylor, Troy Vincent, Sheldon Brown, and Terrell Owens dominate the story lines every year when they held out of training camp or left in free agency. On top of that in the early years there was a resistance to spend money in free agency or go after star players on offense.
I’m not trying to discredit Doug, but where would he be this year if Fletcher Cox held out of training camp because he signed a terrible 8 year deal in his 2nd or 3rd year that keep him underpaid during the prime of his career? Where would Carson be right now if players in the locker room where advocating for him to speak out for them in their contract disputes?
Where would this team be if they hadn’t signed Blount, Wisniewski, Alshon, or traded for Jernigan, Ajayi or Darby? Where would they be if they hadn’t re-signed Ertz, Cox or Lane Johnson to market value contracts?
Andy and McNabb have their fair share of failures during their tenure but Joe Banner and the front office deserve a ton of blame as well. I don’t blame Andy for wanting to take personnel control.
This really goes to show you what a masterful job Howie Roseman has done, not just in acquiring players, but also in keeping the contract situations happy for the entire team.
If you can get 2 high-caliber starting QB’s on entry level contracts it certainly helps. Your Banner bombing is overstatement, I think. Banner had a dry and often unfriendly demeanor, but I think you are confusing style and personality with competence. Some people say if you’re not cheating you’re not trying hard enough to win. I think Joe’s motto was, if everybody’s happy, I fucked up.
Well, on a certain level every coach in the league must be jealous, since Doug won and they didn’t.
Having control of personnel seems to be one of those things that coaches want but actually shouldn’t have. Having Rosie taking care of that was to Doug’s advantage.
I certainly appreciate what Andy did for this organization, especially if you consider maybe he lost a son because of being so obsessed with coaching.
Cho to be fair his sons were adults .. 2 raging Johnny Too Bads .. 6 foot plus each both with their own daddy bmw’s filled with heroin and guns .. pretty much the worst cliche for the main line imaginable. .then daddyy got them out of jail (other kids would be in prison) and used …know what, ill just stop.. is clear that Doug is THE MAN and Jimmy Johnson is now the 2nd best coach the team head ever had.
Andy isn’t so jealous with 50M in the bank. He’s got a ring.
Got the flu, wouldn’t recommend it. 1 out of 5 stars.
Make fresh ginger tea .. use real ginger root.
Cut a thumb size piece, scrape the flaky skin off, shred it and boil in a saucepan .. strain it … can also add honey, lemon. Even some JD.
..
Best thing ever ever
I do this sometimes, but without the honey. Or lemon. Or ginger. Or water.
I’m gonna need JD after all that.
I’ll do that backwards and then forget what I was doing in the kitchen in the first place.
How does the flu rate even 1 star? Are you swigging cough medicine?
Damn sorry to hear that. I’m obsessive about getting my shot every year. Hope you get well soon.
Hang in there, brother. I heard something on the radio about this being the worst season since the Swine Flu.
In case your misery would welcome some company, know that my wife, son, and I all had the swine flu, back to back. For about six weeks our home was like an infirmary. We all pulled though and so will you.
And know, that no matter how bad things might seem, the Eagles are the Super Bowl Champions.
The only flu worth enything is the boogie-woogie flu.
Cheers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzA3mgXBGU8
This year’s is fucking awful. I had a temp of 103.5 and basically tripped balls with a fever dream for 8 hours.
Hey guys… We’re one week into our off-season, while the rest of the NFC east is going on 2+ months. And it feels so good.
This time last week we were counting the hours until the game. I, in my madness, imagined a low scoring contest.
An even more strongly worded report that Frank Reich is all but gone now.
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“Frank Reich is the favorite for Colts head coaching job, report says”
(Eagles about to lose another assistant.)
By Brandon Lee Gowton
https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2018/2/11/17001386/frank-reich-favorite-colts-head-coaching-job-philadelphia-indianapolis-josh-mcdaniels-andrew-luck-oc
All outlets seem to be agreed, but Colts waiting for a signed contract.
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“Report: Frank Reich the favorite for Colts job”
Posted by Josh Alper on February 11, 2018, 12:51 PM EST
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/02/11/report-frank-reich-the-favorite-for-colts-job/
Good for Reich if he takes that job, but I remain skeptical that he’ll be able to meet that owner’s expectations.
I dont know. Luck might have an awesome 8 games before he’s put on IR again.
After the euphoria ends, I’m going to start wishing the Eagles to gear up for a repeat run so when the final whistle blows next year, the 2018 Championship Eagles will have Peters, Maragos, Wentz, Hicks and, if my dreams comes true, Sproles, all having played in the game.
Im ok with Sproles not being around. I think Clement has earned those 3rd down plays.
Sproles on a one year deal as a hedge vs. Pump / Gibson / Clement / etc. not being ready to be the PR/KR is fine by me.
Maybe a spot for Darren on Special Teams to return punts.
Correct.
Still rather draft a guy to replace both him and Barner
I’m not thinking rationally, my man-crush on Sproles wants to see him wearing an Eagles uniform during a Super Bowl victory.
Celek got his. And JP gets his chance next year with Wentz. I like Sproles but I wouldn’t keep him around.
I think Sproles should take most of the regular season off and stay in good shape. Then we can pick him up for the playoffs.
Speaking of pacing, I was impressed by how well Duce paced his backfield. Blount was outstanding Sunday night, and he probably would not have been so fresh had Ajayii not been leaned on as soon as he arrived. That approach has worked for NE for years. If Sproles was perfectly healthy, at his age I would still like to give him just enough work to feel under appreciated.
The OL has a sign in their room that says Hungry Dogs Run Faster. I think Duce applied that logic to his guts as well.
All season, you could see the frustration from Blount, Ajayi, and Clement (not so much Smallwood?) when they didn’t make the most of every carry.
I’m willing to bet Lurie doesn’t go the Phillies arbitrary spending cap route in trying to win another. It was really sickening to hear a team in a non-capped environment talk about a budget in the middle of setting all kinds of attendance records.
good luck Coach Flip
just not against the Eagles
I don’t like the Vikings. I hope they come in last.
I like them a lot less than I did a month ago.
Awesome off-season preview
https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2018/2/9/16997342/philadelphia-eagles-2018-offseason-preview-nfl-draft-free-agency-agents-picks-mock-target-cap-space#comments
Was it simply a timing thing or did Flip want to spread his wings? Wish we could have simply promoted him to OC with Reich leaving. :/
He has full control of the offense there. Pederson has it here. I think that’s the probable reason but we don’t know for sure.
Yeah that role is a half-stairway from anHC gig…if he doesn’t shit the bed.
Was Joe Douglas @ the parade? I guess I missed him!
Great avatar.
Thanks man!
Yes, you can see him in the background of the Kelce speech. It was hilarious because he’s dressed like the average hungover 35 year old man at Wawa on a Sunday morning
Oh awesome man! Happy for these guys. Thanks!
Are there any Michigan alums among our IB cast of characters? The Eagles lone Wolverine put the lights out on the clinic that TB (another Michigan grad) was putting on. Somewhere Lloyd Carr must’ve been smiling.
Reich hired by the colts….the superbowl brain drain continues
Ugh. Really didn’t want to lose Reich as well.
Kraft’s move in throwing money at McDaniels simultaneously kept a lot of his staff’s continuity and has damaged ours.
Duce or do we find another former backup QB as OC ? 🙂
True, the Pats have kept offensive continuity …
But keep in mind that in the seasons McDaniel was in Denver and with the Rams — his offenses were terrible statistically.
That changed when he returned to the Pats … and Brady.
I can’t wait for him to succeed Belichick w/out Brady — LOSER
Thought McDaniel started out OK with the Broncos. He ditched Cutler, which I think was the right move, but then he went all-in on Tebow — he was finished at that point, and much too arrogant.
Not sure how much I can put on that one Rams year. He was brought in under a HC on the hotseat, had zero offseason to implement a new offensive scheme because of the lockout, and Bradford hurt his ankle in October and was either out (six games) or hobbled the rest of the year as he re-injured it twice. And then he was gone along with the rest of the staff. You need longer than that to really have a chance.
If he’s still just as arrogant — and this Colts move reeks of that — he will probably still fail. You need a track record before you can justify that stuff, which he doesn’t have. But not sure he will get a HC chance after this outside of the Patriots.
With Reich leaving for Baltimore (not interested that the Colts moved 35 years ago) —
While it’s been suggested that Duce Staley may be elevated to OC . . .
With the loss of both Reich and DeFillipo, I’d prefer someone from outside the organization with a background in more than just the WCO and Kelly’s 3-play scheme (okay, five plays).
Reich, for example, had extensive coaching experience coaching in the Coryell offense and the Erhardt-Perkins schemes (as well as playing in the Run and Shoot).
Duce is principally a WCO guy + Kelly and BBD’s offenses.
Just a passing thought.
I’m in no rush to see Duece promoted to OC. They could easily give him more responsibility to prepare him for a future promotion. Maybe runnng game specialist or taking the red zone responsibilities from Flip.
Good point.
I’d imagine Doug has been preparing for this moment as he knew Flip and Reich had aspirations to be head coaches. He has earned my trust over the past 2 years.
I don’t mind us being a WCO+College spread fusion offense… That allowed us to score 41 points against the Pats to win a Superbowl. This is Doug’s scheme and he is a talented play caller using that scheme.
My concern is the game planning and adjustment sides of the role, both of which Reich and Flip where said to have significant roles in. Experience should really help in those roles so i would love at least one of either the OC/QB coach to be an experienced guy they bring in to add to the coaching staff. Although they could look to promote guys like Groh/Duce, and maybe bring an assistant head coach.
F —
You’ve expressed something I’d been thinking but neglected to say in any way.
Well done.
I think if you brought in Shula (or whomever) and made one of them (him and Duce) OC and one asst head coach that’d be cool with me.
They’ll likely bring in an outside AHC on the offensive side of the ball to help as training wheels and get a different voice in the room.
Article here on Graham during the Super Bowl, and the impact that he had, beyond just the strip sack.
https://www.sbnation.com/2018/2/8/16981714/eagles-supe-bowl-win-brandon-graham-tom-brady-sack-fumble
He affected several big plays in the first half. Most interestingly though, that author thinks the Hail Mary at the end was not designed to be a Hail Mary — it looked like it was supposed to be an intermediate interior pass to Amendola with blockers set up to try to get to the end zone (maybe like the Chiefs play at the end of the first half earlier this year). But Graham got instant pressure right at the point the throw was supposed to be, and Brady had to fall back to the Hail Mary after wriggling away. Gronk was really the only guy down there, and even then he wasn’t in the end zone when the pass was thrown.
https://twitter.com/captandrewluck/status/962796151350083584
Luck is excited! That’s cool.
Congrats and thanks to Frank!
That’s a parody account (don’t think Luck is on Twitter at all).
Neither am I on Twitter. So I wouldn’t happen to know if that’s Andrew or not. I’ll take your word for it.
(PS… the civil war general hype is kind of suspicious.)
Yeah think he still uses The Facebook
http://www.espn.com/blog/indianapolis-colts/post/_/id/19308/capt-andrew-luck-gives-the-bearded-qb-a-presence-on-twitter
Luck is excited ??? How does lebron feel ?
Lebron feels that Carson is MVP!
Well played !!
And that BBD is coach of the year
This is an account that builds on Luck’s Civil War era sideburns and scraggly beard by writing about Colts news as if he were a soldier writing home.
And so now it’s done. Congratulations to Frank Reich! Go EAGLES!
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“Report: Colts will hire Frank Reich as their next head coach”
Posted by Michael David Smith on February 11, 2018, 3:22 PM EST
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/02/11/report-colts-will-hire-frank-reich-as-their-next-head-coach/