Groh to OC

Posted: February 20th, 2018 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 132 Comments »

The Eagles made their decision on what to do at offensive coordinator.

This is a smart move. Groh had a hand in gameplanning last year so expanding that role should come naturally to him. He does have OC experience at the collegiate level. That was a decade ago and you can bet that Groh is much better prepared for the role at this stage in his career. He’s been part of some great coaching staffs, helping Alabama to win a national championship and also helping the Eagles to win the Super Bowl this past season.

Groh could be a head coaching candidate down the road, but hopefully he can provide the Eagles some stability at OC for the next couple of years. Doug Pederson has some young coaches he is developing (most notably Press Taylor) and it would be good to give them time to grown into their roles.

Pederson will run the offensive side of the ball and will call plays, but Groh will play a key role in building the gameplan and helping to…coordinate the offense (if only they had a title for that). Pederson believes in splitting up duties so Groh will need to oversee some of that and help the different coaches work together.

Duce Staley was the other candidate who got interviewed for the job. I’m sure he’s disappointed, but Groh had the better background for this role. The Eagles did show how much they appreciate Staley and what he’s meant to the team.

Since there is no salary cap on coaches, I’m sure he’s getting a raise as well.

One of the challenges that success brings is trying to reward people and keep everyone happy. The Eagles did the best they could with this situation. I hope they give Staley a chance to be more involved with gameplanning so that he’s ready for an OC role the next time one comes available, here or elsewhere.

I do think Staley has a legitimate shot to be a head coach. He is a natural leader and has a great relationship with players. He can be tough and demanding, but does it in the right way.


Here is Jimmy Bama’s take on the moves. He also has an update on the overall coaching staff.

The Eagles will need to hire a WRs coach. We don’t have any clues on that yet. There is a coach on the staff with some WR experience. Trent Miles most recently was the head coach at Georgia State, but has coached WRs at Notre Dame, Stanford, Hawaii and Fresno State. He was also the WRs coach for the Packers in 2000. Pederson was in Cleveland that year so they didn’t work together.

The team will need to hire or promote someone to take on Press Taylor’s role of offensive quality control/assistant QBs coach. They do have someone on staff named Spencer Phillips who helped out with the QBs the past two years. He played QB for small colleges and then spent time working for a passing academy before breaking into college coaching at Samford. He sounds like an interesting young coach.


This is heaven.


132 Comments on “Groh to OC”

  1. 1 Greg Tulino said at 11:13 PM on February 20th, 2018:

    Every coach is fairly unknown until they are given a chance to prove themselves. I trust DP to hire/promote staff that will work endlessly to get the next SB parade in Philly.

  2. 2 Philadelphian said at 1:27 AM on February 21st, 2018:

    Smart moves by rewarding both Groh and Duce. Hopefully, Staley isn’t too upset because I believe he will be better prepared the next time around.

  3. 3 Masked Man said at 3:47 AM on February 21st, 2018:

    Assistant Head Coach is a great job title, Philly! Two years at that and Duce will be in line for interviews for head coach positions.

    I think one day a job like Buffalo, Cincinnati or Tennessee could open up and Duce would be highly considered for his first head coach job. Maybe even Cleveland, depending on what happens.

  4. 4 Anders said at 5:34 AM on February 21st, 2018:

    Assistant HC is a filler title, its more likely Groh gets a HC job next time, but by then Duce should have the experience to become an OC

  5. 5 meteorologist said at 9:54 AM on February 21st, 2018:

    Anthony Lynn was Assistant head coach/RB coach before he got his HC gig

  6. 6 Anders said at 4:15 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    He got promoted to oc when rex Ryan needed a scapegoat and Lynn also had experience from the jets

  7. 7 wee2424 said at 12:19 AM on February 22nd, 2018:

    Had experience before that. Staley doesn’t.

  8. 8 wee2424 said at 12:16 AM on February 22nd, 2018:

    OC for him first. Man has never called plays, and has spent his previous years as RB coach.

  9. 9 Masked Man said at 2:26 AM on February 21st, 2018:

    In light of Mike Groh’s promotion to OC, BGN used some interesting comments from Doug and Frank about the work of the offensive coaches during the week and during games:


    Doug Pederson: Really, there’s three main aspects to a
    game plan. There’s your 1st-and-2nd down plan, which is [Wednesday].
    Then you have your 3rd-down plan, which is [Thursday]. And then your
    red-zone plan, which is Friday. We spend — and the way [Offensive
    coordinator] Frank Reich sort of assigns duties or responsibilities to
    that is with the assistant coaches. Frank and myself do the base. Frank,
    myself and [Wide receivers coach] Mike Groh will spend time on 3rd
    down. Then Frank, myself and [Quarterbacks coach John] DeFilippo will
    attack the red zone later on. Our guys are studying those areas during
    the week and have a really good plan.


    Frank Reich: Yeah, I mean, the people upstairs, I talk to
    the people upstairs for the most part as far as that kind of thing.
    Coach [Pederson], he’s worried about calling the game, thinking about
    that, managing the defensive side of it, being over that side a little
    bit, listening to what’s going on over there. I’m gathering information
    in between series, and then from up top. And then I’ll talk to Stout
    [Offensive line coach Jeff Stoutland] on the sideline as far as the run
    game, hear what he’s talking to his guys about with the offensive line.
    I’ll talk to [Wide receivers coach] Mike Groh in the pass game, what are
    the receivers saying? Is there one corner that we think we can — are
    we feeling anything down low, trying to get a hands-on approach. So we
    have a pretty thorough process that we go through after each series
    where I’m talking to the offensive line coach and I’m talking to the
    receiver coach and I’m talking to the guys upstairs for the stats. And
    then it’s my responsibility to filter that information and to kind of
    give Coach [Pederson] what I think is necessary for the next drive.

    Translation: Groh will coordinate the Eagles’ offensive
    position groups (hence the ‘coordinator’ in his title) and filter
    information from them so that he can present it to Pederson.

  10. 10 Anders said at 5:11 AM on February 21st, 2018:

    I think this reveals why Groh was much more likely to be the OC now than Duce.

    I hope Duce gets more responsalibities next season, so he has a realistic chance to move up.

    In two years, Groh will most likely move to HC and then either Duce becomes OC or Phil Taylor does

  11. 11 Ankerstjernen said at 11:22 AM on February 21st, 2018:

    It seems very telling that Duce’s name was not called once in that text.

  12. 12 Masked Man said at 12:07 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    Yeah that’s why he’s not the OC. Here and now anyway. But I think he’s on track to be a head coach some day. Maybe an OC here or elsewhere some day before that.

  13. 13 wee2424 said at 12:13 AM on February 22nd, 2018:

    That’s what happens when your a RB coach. Giving him title of coaches assistant I’m assuming will give him more of a feel for game planing which is the best thing we could do for him. Gives him something to learn from that most RB coaches don’t receive, therefore giving him valuable experiences that will make him a more attractive hire up the ladder whether it is with us or another team. Also makes him less likely to fail whenever or wherever that promotion does incur.

    Groh was the right hire, and I’m sure Duce understands it and is handling it well. A few extra bucks on his paycheck doesn’t hurt him.

  14. 14 eagleyankfan said at 7:29 AM on February 21st, 2018:

    Chris Wilson shafted again. He should have been promoted to OC! (moves we’re use to reading about in the past)….I remember reading, but can’t remember – where did Press Taylor come from before his promotion?
    What a wonderful job by this front office. Player goes down – next man up. Coach goes down(or away) and next man up. Promoting within has to give such a great feeling to all the other coaches — do your job, do it well and promotions happen. Way to keep it in house DP! Making winning a standard in Philly.

  15. 15 kajomo said at 11:04 AM on February 21st, 2018:

    I agree that if you have qualified candidates in house you should almost always promote from within. DP has all of our trust right now, but i hope he doesn’t fall into a trap of just promoting the next man up regardless of qualification. Sometimes an outside perspective can be a real advantage and sometimes your internal guys just aren’t ready. I’m not saying that’s the case now, but just bringing it up

  16. 16 wee2424 said at 12:05 AM on February 22nd, 2018:

    Don’t think that will be an issue with him. From everything we have learned about him he is someone that truly values information from different sources.

    He seems to take his coaching staff very serious because he gives them alot of divided responsibility in the game plan while truly valuing their input. He will hire the man that is best for his team whether it is from inside or outside.

    It’s not like outside coaches wouldn’t want to come here, so he pretty much has the pick of the litter minus the ones that will demand playcalling duties. We are currently a hot bed for coaching career advancements.

  17. 17 D3FB said at 7:23 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    Tulsa. He was GJ’s QB coach there. We always end up with a surprisingly large number of camp bodies or rookie tryouts from there.

    Unrelated fun fact: He was college teammates with Vinny for two years.

  18. 18 Jean Souza said at 7:34 AM on February 21st, 2018:

    Guys, is Sony Michel at 32 a possibility? Or is it a big reach?

  19. 19 Buge Halls said at 7:53 AM on February 21st, 2018:

    I look for them to trade back and try to get a few more picks. Not really a whole lot of difference between Pick #32 vs a 2nd Round pick. They might be able to package the #32 with a 4th round to grab a 2nd & 3rd (I think they have 3 or 4 4th round picks).

  20. 20 Bert's Bells said at 9:38 AM on February 21st, 2018:

    One more year of controlability is the real difference. Maybe not so much in talent, just business.

  21. 21 kajomo said at 8:59 AM on February 21st, 2018:

    Even with all of the grey RB prospects last year only 2 went in the 1st round last year. Off the top of my head I can’t remember the last time 3 RBs went in the 1st. These guys tend to be available in the 2nd.

    I personally don’t think Sony is worth a 1st. Barkley and Ronald Jones are the only guys I think have those special traits that warrant a first round selection. If we trade back i could see Sony being a target.

    I also question how much of a priority RB will be for the eagles. They have Ajayi and Clement as key pieces to the rotation already. Pumphrey will get a shot. Blount or Sproles May come back cheap. It will be interesting to see what they do.

  22. 22 Masked Man said at 12:05 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    Mike Mayock’s number 4 and 5 rated RBs are Sony Michel and Nick Chubb.

    Depends if there is a first round run on them or not, I think.

  23. 23 Will Ft. Jimi Hendrix said at 3:27 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    I’d be ok with taking him or Jones there depending on who is still left on the board.

  24. 24 P_P_K said at 8:41 AM on February 21st, 2018:

    From the Keep Foles Around Dept.

  25. 25 kajomo said at 8:55 AM on February 21st, 2018:

    I wasn’t just coming to post this.

    Several of us had a “discussion” when Wentz first got hurt about what his expected timetable should be. I personally felt we were looking at 9-12 months due to the cautious approach the eagles had been taking with the injured players all year. I still don’t think rushing Wentz back is smart. If he re-injured that knee his career is in real jeopardy.

    This doctor is saying the time table should be 10-11 months anyway.

    “This is an ACL plus 2,” Dr. Kelly told the 94WIP Morning Show on Tuesday. “This is an RG3 equivalent folks. This is worrisome. Now, his good news, he had a very good surgeon — Dr. James Bradley. He’s going to have good therapy virtue of NovaCare. He’s a man of faith, which is important to me too. This guy is an excellent patient. But I think his timeline is very, very optimistic.”

    “The meter has changed from ACL recovery from six months to nine months. This is an ACL plus, at least, two ligaments. If he tore the LCL, which was wrote in the press – that’s wrong.

    “What I saw in the video, he had at least three ligaments on the outside of the knee damaged. That’s requires reconstruction, that’s a long rehab. And if it were my patient, I’d be thinking nine, 10, or even 11 months.”

  26. 26 Bert's Bells said at 9:36 AM on February 21st, 2018:

    “He’s a man of faith, which is important to me too.”

    Is this guy a medical doctor or a voodoo queen?

  27. 27 SteveH said at 10:33 AM on February 21st, 2018:

    Yeah, I’m gonna stick to science on his ligament recovery.

  28. 28 ChoTime said at 10:45 AM on February 21st, 2018:

    Yeah, the faith remark is not a credibility booster among my demographic.

  29. 29 kajomo said at 11:01 AM on February 21st, 2018:

    Ha. Same here.

    I found that really odd, but i think he was stating that in reference to his attitude. Carson seems like an optimistic guy, partly a result of his faith. Keeping a positive attitude through rehab can only help.

  30. 30 Bert's Bells said at 11:34 AM on February 21st, 2018:

    If only there were human words in English that could convey how a positive attitude towards rehab and general optimism can lead to steady and strong recovery.

  31. 31 unhinged said at 9:26 AM on February 22nd, 2018:

    Yeah, if only.

  32. 32 bobeph said at 11:11 AM on February 21st, 2018:

    see above

  33. 33 A Roy said at 11:29 AM on February 21st, 2018:

    If placebos can work, so can faith.

  34. 34 Bert's Bells said at 11:32 AM on February 21st, 2018:

    I’ll put more FAITH in Wentz being a freaking machine when it comes to the foot ball.

  35. 35 A Roy said at 3:10 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    Yeah, but I don’t really care about YOUR faith. Your healing (or not) will only affect SB LIII the same way as the butterfly in China.

  36. 36 Bert's Bells said at 3:22 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    Jesus weeps.

  37. 37 A Roy said at 3:33 PM on February 21st, 2018:


  38. 38 kajomo said at 5:05 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    So you believe in Ginger Jesus?

  39. 39 Bert's Bells said at 7:43 PM on February 21st, 2018:


  40. 40 ChoTime said at 2:59 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    True, but you could just as easily give him “accelerated healing pills” if you’re going to go there. Some quick googling didn’t rustle up any evidence for “faith helping people heal,” although I thought it would.

  41. 41 A Roy said at 3:09 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    You could only give him accelerated healing pills if he’d BELIEVE they’d work. Such is faith. Of course, it reminds me of an old joke, the punchline of which is – “And then he walked away?” “Nope. Fell right on his ass. Couldn’t walk without those crutches.”

  42. 42 ChoTime said at 11:09 AM on February 22nd, 2018:

    The Super Secret Accelerated Healing Pills seemed to work for TO. I think he used a hyperbaric chamber for that function 🙂

  43. 43 SteveH said at 12:47 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    Especially coming from a doctor. It’s grand if the patient believes that there is a higher power helping them, at the very least it wouldn’t hurt, but I think I’d do a double take if I was going into surgery and my surgeon let me know that god was on our side.

  44. 44 suthrneagle said at 11:02 AM on February 21st, 2018:

    the guy is saying his faith gives him a positive outlook, which helps with recovery…no vodoo involved

  45. 45 Ankerstjernen said at 11:27 AM on February 21st, 2018:

    Yea, it makes perfect sense. As an atheist, my naturally depressive and hopeless attitude towards lifes problems certainly gave me a lot of extra problems recovering from artroscopic knee and hip surgeries. I think maybe it was knowing that I had to put in all of the work myself since the whole thing wasn’t exactly a preordained part of some celestial beings grand scheme for me…

  46. 46 eagleyankfan said at 1:56 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    So by your definition, if you’re an atheist — you naturally depressive and hopeless? Interesting…I don’t buy it…but interesting. Why can’t an atheist be positive?

  47. 47 kajomo said at 2:16 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    It’s clearly sarcasm

  48. 48 ChoTime said at 3:01 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    By the way, I’m reading a book on empathy right now. Apparently most people think that their sarcastic intentions (written) are clearly understandable, but they tend to really not be to a very large degree. Basically, the old meme that sarcasm doesn’t come across on the internet really is true.

  49. 49 kajomo said at 4:04 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    Ok. I’ll fix it

    “It’s unclearly sarcasm.”

  50. 50 ChoTime said at 11:07 AM on February 22nd, 2018:

    Do you mean that sarcastically? I can’t tell!

  51. 51 eagleyankfan said at 3:26 PM on February 21st, 2018:


  52. 52 Ankerstjernen said at 7:18 AM on February 22nd, 2018:

    Oh, I forgot to use the sarcasm font. Sorry. I am in fact a very happy atheist who find it offensive when religious people lecture me about how I am living an empoverished life without real happiness, as if though they know more about my life than I do myself.

  53. 53 Bert's Bells said at 11:30 AM on February 21st, 2018:

    tell that to Christian Scientists.

  54. 54 bobeph said at 11:11 AM on February 21st, 2018:

    thats cause you dont believe in God,

  55. 55 Bert's Bells said at 11:29 AM on February 21st, 2018:

    depends on your definition

  56. 56 bsuperfi said at 12:00 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    I’m pretty much the opposite of a religious person, but I think it’s completely plausible that faith can be an indicator of an attitude that can overcome hardships. The mental part of recovery from a serious injury is critical. From my perspective, Carson is probably lying to himself about the existence of a god with X, Y, and Z characteristics. But that doesn’t mean Carson’s belief doesn’t help him with the mental side of recovery (or otherwise doing the good things in the world he’s becoming known for).

  57. 57 greenblood0118 said at 12:55 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    It’s still science. Positive attitude derived from faith releases healthy biochemicals into the body which help recovery. Stress and worry release toxins that make stuff worse.

  58. 58 Stephen E. said at 1:53 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    Wow, look at all the internet atheists patting themselves on the back for being so WOKE.

  59. 59 kajomo said at 2:18 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    Im an atheist in real life in addition to the internet. I don’t honk I was disrespectful to anyone’s beliefs though

  60. 60 eagleyankfan said at 2:21 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    Thank goodness you don’t honk!

  61. 61 Bert's Bells said at 2:20 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    Don’t you have some high school kids to call out as paid FBI plants?

  62. 62 or____ said at 2:28 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    God spoke to me about this. He said we atheists are correct.

  63. 63 laeagle said at 3:24 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    Wow, look at all the internet deists patting themselves on the back for being so incisive, and for totally thrashing the internet atheists. Keep up [insert imaginary space overlord here]’s work!

  64. 64 unhinged said at 5:49 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    Best reply I have read in a long time. Thanks for a an unanticipated laugh.

  65. 65 jshort said at 4:43 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    How bad could it be? He stayed in threw a TD pass, and walked off the field. Not like he was carted. Not to mention he was throwing before the SB.

  66. 66 wee2424 said at 11:57 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    Doesn’t really mean anything. McNabb broke an ankle and threw 4 TDs. His broken ankle still took the normal time to heal.

    Some players handle injuries better then others at the time of injury. A torn ACL and LCL is still a torn ACL and LCL.

  67. 67 Full_Frontal_Pederson said at 6:21 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    Hicks blew his achilles then they started the cautious approach imo

    Do u make anything of the head athletic trainer resigning out of the blue…?

  68. 68 kajomo said at 6:27 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    Thy were cautious with Darby. He came back several weeks after his initial time table. Sidney Jones joined the roster later than anticipated. There were a few other examples but my memory of this season is clouded by the fact that we won the freakin SB

  69. 69 Full_Frontal_Pederson said at 6:45 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    These were all after the Achilles. I remember being pissed about Hicks because he was nursing an ankle all year missed half a game didn’t look the same and ended up on IR.

  70. 70 kajomo said at 7:27 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    I don’t remember when exactly they took place so I’ll take your word for it.

    The point is the same. I can’t see them being so cautious with all those players only to rush Carson back in the field.

  71. 71 CTbirdsguy said at 1:50 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    One argument for keeping Foles that I haven’t seen be made is this: through all of OTAs and Training Camp, I’d much rather have a guy with Foles’ experience and talent running the show and helping develop other offensive players than Sudfeld. It’s incalculable, but I’d expect it to make a real difference.

    And, hell yeah this also makes me want to keep Foles.

  72. 72 Full_Frontal_Pederson said at 6:19 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    What about Denver:

    Simian and a 1st With conditional ’19 pick for Foles

  73. 73 wee2424 said at 11:49 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    I don’t think they would give a first for him. Depending on what happens with Cousins (don’t know their cap situation), I think maybe they would give Simian, switch first round picks, and a 2018 3rd.

    Kid went 7th round or UDFA and is still on rookie deal. Would be the cheapest backup QB you could have that has considerable starting experience.

    Never thought of a trade with Denver involving him but I do like it.

    You aren’t throwing Foles to the Sharks either, you are putting him on a strong team. Important factor.

  74. 74 unhinged said at 9:17 AM on February 22nd, 2018:

    If Broncos sign Cousins, as has been predicted, they won’t have the cap space or interest in Nick.

  75. 75 Full_Frontal_Pederson said at 5:04 PM on February 22nd, 2018:

    I think Elway should know better than to chase mediocre cousins:

    They are who I predict will win the Folesbowl

  76. 76 unhinged said at 6:31 PM on February 22nd, 2018:

    I don’t know jack about Johnny Douche bag. I was just reporting what one of Cousins teammates had stated with confidence.

  77. 77 Full_Frontal_Pederson said at 7:44 PM on February 22nd, 2018:

    Their gold standard is Manning/Elway level to open the vault ,not

    Never beating a winning team or having a play off win. I guess we will find out in a few weeks.

  78. 78 P_P_K said at 8:51 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    If the Eagles were in a rebuilding phase, maybe spend time helping Sudfeld develop. Being Super Bowl contenders, however, is a different story and it behoves the team to use a proven qb.

  79. 79 or____ said at 2:05 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    Crappy sports radio is always the best source of medical information.

  80. 80 Dave said at 4:45 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    According to Lesbian, that Doc had his facts wrong.

  81. 81 SteveH said at 9:37 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    Something seemed weird about that info coming out of right field. Glad to hear it’s not omg the sky is falling like that guy was talking about.

  82. 82 ChoTime said at 11:06 AM on February 22nd, 2018:

    Good. Sounds a bit more credible than the faith-healer guy diagnosing from the internet.

  83. 83 A_T_G said at 11:34 AM on February 21st, 2018:

    So Alshon might be pretty tough…

  84. 84 Ankerstjernen said at 11:43 AM on February 21st, 2018:

    As a completely unrelated but still slightly relevant sidenote I tore my rotator back in 2010 in a tennis match. I have the surgery scheduled for march this year. The reason I didn’t get it fixed sooner is because it was a minor tear and I have had other things to deal with. Shoulder still bother me from time to time, especially if I do a lot of repetetive hard work or try to throw anything – or accidentally fall asleep on it. But I have still been able to do most excercises in the gym, including bench press, military press and dead lifts (I don’t lift heavy just try to stay in shape). My point is that these kinds of tears come in a lot of various grades, and a slight one might not be a very big deal,depending on where exactly you have it – and what your job is. (if your job is to throw a ball, probably it is impossible to ignore). You still want to have it fixed though, because as long as it is torn, your shoulder is not entirely stable, and there is greater risk of injuring it further – for example to dislocate it if you land on it awkwardly or take a big hit somehow. I guess we are lucky that he never seemed to get worse during the season. If this is a small tear he should be back in the gym in six weeks working on regaining his strength.

  85. 85 daveH said at 1:59 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    Have you tried Arnica Flora gel ?? Has saved me from knee surgery for 15 years .. it still flares up but this does an amazing job of relief. Boercke & Tafel imho is the best brand .. GNC has it
    Good luck w the surgery for sure.

  86. 86 Ankerstjernen said at 7:17 AM on February 22nd, 2018:

    Thanks for the tip, Ill look into it. Have surgery schedule for march, so I am going to get it fixed for good. But I might benefit from this sort of thing in the recovery.

  87. 87 ChoTime said at 2:58 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    I think I had one, too, and although I never got surgery, it really did bother me and feel weak for over a year. I was surprised how much it affected me (but certainly not in all or most tasks).

  88. 88 Ankerstjernen said at 7:15 AM on February 22nd, 2018:

    When the rotator is torn, form how I understand it, what happens is that a bit of the cartiledge along the rim of the circular joint is torn off of the bone. This will never ‘heal up’ again, since it doesnt grow back onto the bone by itself, at least not where it is fully detached. But, as you grow older the cartiledge in the body becomes more stiff (we all know this to be too true, am I right?) and the problem/symptom with a torn rotator – that the shoulder is a bit ‘loose’ in the socket and can move around when under load, actually decreases because there is less flexibility there. When you research the scientific literature they cite this as the reason why the chance of reinjury after having a rotator repair done is actually lover in people in their late 30’ies than early 20’ies. Statistically speaking. This, along with slow recovery and gradual adoption of compensation in your shoulder muscles, might explain why your sympthoms have gradually decreased over a long period of time. but if you had a tear, then probably you still have one. (And if it doesnt bother you anymore, probably you are well off going happily along without any surgery.)

  89. 89 ChoTime said at 11:05 AM on February 22nd, 2018:

    Thanks for the info. Yeah, I don’t play tennis anymore and I haven’t even done yoga for a while. My athletic days are over… It may be a case of: “Doctor, it hurts when I do this.” “Then stop doing that.”

  90. 90 Ankerstjernen said at 6:52 PM on February 22nd, 2018:

    Haha, yea. It is called ‘getting old’. It sort of sucks.

  91. 91 daveH said at 8:30 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    When did this Happen ??
    .. oh, yes in the tweet. .damn full season. .as impressive as TO coming back in time for

  92. 92 wee2424 said at 9:01 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    I’m sure the NFL is going to investigate this saying we didn’t follow injury protocol. Unless I am missing something and he was always on the injury report.

  93. 93 Tumtum said at 1:26 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    Boom Assistant Headcoach. Exactly the role that will allow Duce to grow and expand.

  94. 94 Ryan Rambo said at 1:49 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    Lol is that a fat joke?

  95. 95 Masked Man said at 4:05 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    Duce is rather stocky… Some might say portly…

    Maybe even chunky…

  96. 96 Tumtum said at 9:49 PM on February 23rd, 2018:

    Lol, naw. He could strap it up and get us 3 right now!

  97. 97 Full_Frontal_Pederson said at 6:17 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    Duce to Groh

  98. 98 RC5000 said at 4:11 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    Should , could the Eagles land John Brown cheap enough?

    The Case For: Brown would bring the home run threat (4.3 40-yard dash at Combine) the Titans have lacked forever. He’s faster than former Titan Tyrone Calico. He is just 27, has game-breaking speed and will come on a much cheaper than market scale.

    The Case Against: The past two season for Brown were riddled by injured. A hamstring injury slowed him in down in 2016 while turf toe was the problem in 2017. He missed six games in 2017 and finished with only 21 catches for 299 yards and three touchdowns. Another thing is his size. Brown is 5-11, but only 179 pounds.

    In the end, I would expect Brown could be had in a prove it one-year deal.

  99. 99 RC5000 said at 4:21 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    Similar story with Donte Moncrief

    Hope might be the operative word there, because that’s all the Indianapolis Colts’ fourth-year wide receiver has at this point, two underwhelming, injury-plagued seasons stacked on top of one other as the 24-year-old veers toward free agency for the first time in his career having done very little since 2015 to prove he deserves that coveted second contract.

  100. 100 Full_Frontal_Pederson said at 6:16 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    PR ability??

  101. 101 Sean E said at 7:46 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    Some team like the Raiders will overpay him just because of his 40 time. And forget to look at how skinny he is and how bad his hands are. He’s not even a WR, he’s a sprinter who can occasionally catch a football, but not well.

  102. 102 Full_Frontal_Pederson said at 6:16 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    Best offseason ever

    We can burn any fanbase who try and diminish our SB. A favorite reply to cowboy fans:

    Ur right ur team would have won if u made the play offs. After all they were the last team to beat Philly and it’s late February!

  103. 103 P_P_K said at 8:49 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    My favorite reply to cowboy fans: Trey Burton has more Super Bowl touchdown passes than Tony Romo and Dak Prescott combined.

  104. 104 wee2424 said at 11:40 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    Lol that one is great. Has to sting for them.

  105. 105 Insomniac said at 8:05 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    It’s backkkkkk. Obligatory unrealistic Josh Gordon off season post.

    edit – damn it they edited the article.

  106. 106 Insomniac said at 8:22 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    Adding on to the Alshon news, does this change things? Do think that Ags, Ertz, and whoever will be enough weapons with Alshon out?

  107. 107 or____ said at 8:37 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    We have depth at wr in Clement and Foles.

  108. 108 A_T_G said at 9:05 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    I don’t think so. He is expected to be back for the season. Alshon shouldn’t need much training camp.

  109. 109 Bert's Bells said at 9:34 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    If only he were more religious.

  110. 110 or____ said at 9:52 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    I highly admire two very different men who share the same surname. One is a hall of fame safety.

  111. 111 Bert's Bells said at 9:54 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    You just dig the memes.

  112. 112 or____ said at 10:39 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    Not just

  113. 113 Bert's Bells said at 11:02 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    I’m sure you know this but after getting elected to the Hall of Fame, Brian Dawkins went back in time learned a British accent and invented the term “meme”. He continued in the timeline and is now also Idris Elba.

  114. 114 or____ said at 6:35 AM on February 22nd, 2018:

    Too shay.

    I am learning things from you. But not surprised there is further depth to Dawkinsian Greatness than previously recognized for me.

  115. 115 ChoTime said at 11:03 AM on February 22nd, 2018:

    Fun fact: Richard Dawkins once asked to put his luggage behind me at a gig for ASU. Steven Pinker and Lawrence Krauss were there too: I was star-struck.

  116. 116 unhinged said at 9:09 AM on February 22nd, 2018:

    He could be peaking in summer training camp.

  117. 117 kajomo said at 9:58 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    I didn’t think we’d keep rolling the way we did when Ertz missed games. This team just has the next guy step up and adjusts it game plan towards its current strengths.

  118. 118 eagleyankfan said at 7:46 AM on February 22nd, 2018:

    Ertz down – you had Celek and Burton…That type of talent at depth doesn’t exist at WR. So – no, I wouldn’t expect a next man up in this case — however, it’s February and Eagles just won a SB and I football season is 10 years away so I’m not concerned at all…

  119. 119 kajomo said at 8:12 AM on February 22nd, 2018:

    I’m a big Celek fan and feel bad saying it, but Celek provides about as much depth as Mack Hollins. In fact Mack Hollins outproduced Celek this season.

    Burton certainly helped, but it’s a team effort more than just a WR thing. If Jeffery is out Ertz becomes even more of a focal point and Ags picks up some additional targets. Hollins should be improved next year and they may add another WR. Also don’t forget about the RBs in the passing game.

    Very few teams can lose their best WR and not have it impact the offense. The eagles may be one of those team most well equipped to handle that.

  120. 120 Someguy77 said at 10:16 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    MRI likely showed a pretty extensive tear but until they get in there – especially with a shoulder surgery – they really don’t know the extent of the soft tissue damage.

    It isn’t ideal but the Eagles don’t have the budget cap room to go out and make a big move here.

    Maybe it changes the calculus a bit on Smith but I doubt it. I will think he is gone.

    Can’t make moves based on fear and have to figure Jeffrey is back sometime in Sept. at the latest.

    More and more, I think next Sept is not going to be about getting out to a great start but just holding serve at (say 2-2 or 3-1 depending upon schedule)

  121. 121 wee2424 said at 11:39 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    You have to consider Clement a weapon. IF Wentz is really ready to go he may add some type of scrambling ability which is a weapon. Not trying to be overly optimistic but I truly believe Hollins will be more beneficial in some aspects then Smith. Maybe Ags role expands as his confidence clearly has, and he ends up playing a bit more of a style similar to Cobb who lined up in the backfield quite a bit (especially early on), and really all over the feild such as slot and outside. Gives a new look and more ways to put the ball in an explosive playmakers hands.

    We need something dangerous for returns, and I feel as though an addition to PR will be coming this offseason. Better field position always helps. Maybe we do manage to keep Sproles? Doubt it. I want Clement on KR. Has to be better then Barner.

    Regarding Clement, I have never seen a player billed by everyone to be one way, but with hard work and good coaching so quickly be the complete opposite of what everyone said he was.

    Average speed? Dude looks fast as hell. Not a receiving back? Yeah he is. Nevermind the 100 yards receiving and a TD in the SB. That TD catch by him against Washington is everything you look for in a WR down to the basics. Great hand eye coordination, ability to highpoint, awareness of feild/sideline, foot skills to keep both in, and ability to catch and maintain possession.

  122. 122 Anders said at 4:58 AM on February 22nd, 2018:

    Not really. With Ertz, Agh and the RBs we have enough weapons

  123. 123 unhinged said at 9:06 AM on February 22nd, 2018:

    His catching range would definitely be missed, I think. That flukey pick in the SB which he damn near caught…I don’t see our other guys making a play on that pass.

  124. 124 Ryan Rambo said at 11:40 PM on February 21st, 2018:

    I would like to see what Marcus Johnson can do with more opportunities.

  125. 125 D3FB said at 9:21 PM on February 22nd, 2018:

    Apparently the reason Gibson became active and Johnson was down the second half of the season is the Eagles weren’t impressed with the chances he was given.

  126. 126 Ryan Rambo said at 9:45 PM on February 22nd, 2018:

    Darn. Maybe he can get another shot. If not, oh well.

  127. 127 Ryan Rambo said at 12:31 AM on February 22nd, 2018:

  128. 128 Ryan Rambo said at 12:42 AM on February 22nd, 2018:

  129. 129 Masked Man said at 4:23 AM on February 22nd, 2018:

    ‘Philly Special’ Was Drawn Up By a Mad-Scientist Coach on a South Carolina Baseball Field in 2011

    By Robert Klemko

  130. 130 Masked Man said at 5:54 AM on February 22nd, 2018:

    “Doug Pederson:
    If Carson Wentz were healthy, he would’ve been Super Bowl MVP”

    Posted by Michael David Smith on February 22, 2018, 5:00 AM EST

  131. 131 CrackSammich said at 5:57 AM on February 22nd, 2018:

    If my aunt had balls, she’d be my uncle.

  132. 132 eagleyankfan said at 7:56 AM on February 22nd, 2018:

    people still profootballtalk? must be the off season…