No HOF Game

Posted: February 14th, 2018 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 117 Comments »

The NFL announced the teams in the Hall of Fame game.

There were some Eagles fans upset with this. They wanted to see the Eagles play in Canton on the weekend when Dawk and TO get enshrined in the HOF. I get that to a certain extent, but the NFL just did the Eagles a huge favor.

This team just played into early February. Teams that play in the HOF game report to Training Camp a week early and then have extra travel and an extra chance for injuries. Starters only play the opening drive, maybe two. Then you have backups for the rest of the game. And the coaches have only been hands on with some of those guys for a few days so the football is low quality.

Remember Colt Brennan? The Skins drafted him out of Hawaii a decade ago. Brennan played lights out in the HOF game and the Skins thought they had found their star QB of the future. They were soooooooooo excited. He went 9-10-123 with a couple of TDs. Brennan never even threw a regular season pass. So much wasted WAS hype (fun for us).

The Eagles have to play in the UK. They have to travel to California. They are going to be the defending champs. This team doesn’t need anything else on their plate. The NFL did the right thing in not sending the Eagles to Canton.

Eagles can, and will, take over the city to show their love for Dawk. That will be an amazing day. Let the players stay in Philly and focus on getting ready for the 2018 season.

*****

Paul Domowitch wrote a terrific piece on RB/RS Donnel Pumphrey. It is easy to give up on the young man because he struggled so mightily last summer, but Pumphrey had been lights out in the spring and just came off a truly great college career. There is still some hope for him.

A hamstring injury really hurt Pumphrey in the summer. Let’s hope he stays healthy this year so we can see what he looks like at 100 percent. The Eagles need to get a feel for whether he can be part of the future or not. It would help a lot if he could be the RS and a solid role player on offense.

Don’t forget how good he was in college.

As for size…he says he is 185 now and hopes to be at 190 by the spring.

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  • RobNE

    you had me at “defending champs”

  • sonofdman

    When the HOF inductees were announced, I thought for sure that the HOF game would be Eagles vs. Ravens. Tommy is probably right that them not playing in this game is a good thing though.

    • Guy Media

      I’m still of the opinion that the entire weekend needs to be all Eagles, all the time. But I’m convinced that Dawk didn’t get in last year because they didn’t want Eagles fans wrecking Jerry Jones’s speech.

  • Bert’s Bells

    If Pumphrey wants to put on a few pounds, he should come to me. I’ve got that train down flat.

    • TommyLawlor

      You and me both, brother.

  • Ryan Rambo
    • A_T_G

      Yep. I’ll be sending this to my wife in 3, 2, 1…

      • Ryan Rambo

        I almost got caught up in all the hype and sent it to my side-chick but I realized that would be a huge mistake!!!

        • A_T_G

          Especially if you sent it to both of them in the same group text.

    • sonofdman

      Just sent it to my wife!

    • RobNE

      this is outstanding. Winning the SB is the gift that will keep on giving.

    • Dragon_Eagle

      Wheeeeee!!!!

  • Philadelphian

    Before totally giving up on Pumphrey, try saying Nelson Agholor is a bust several times over.

    Before last season I tried making a comparison of Agholor to Keith Byars and was told it wouldn’t happen. Obviously, Agholor followed Byars script to perfection. Understand, I’m not claiming Pumphrey is a sure thing, but only suggesting anything can happen.

    • Bert’s Bells

      Agholor was terrible for two seasons. It’s perfectly reasonable to assume he’d continue be one of the worst at his position in the NFL.

      Good thing he wasn’t.

      Pumphrey was IR’d. We have no solid ground for judging his potential as a player. If he stinks for two years, it’s more likely he’ll be a Ryan Moats than a Nelson Agholor.

      • ChoTime

        I wish someone would make a list of “players who were awful for two years and suddenly became pretty decent.”

        I bet that would be a pretty short list.

        • Bert’s Bells

          There are definitely guys who “weren’t put in the position to succeed” who had breakout years in new systems.

          Very few guys who were amongst the worst in metrics AND eye test that turned it around.

          Huge ups to Ags (and the coaching staff) for doing it.

        • bill

          I guess it depends on definitions. For example, I think a good comparable for Pumphrey is Dion Lewis. Which doesn’t mean he’s likely to ever be as good as Lewis was this year. Just that it’s going to take a near-perfect storm of circumstances for him to have an impact season, but that it is far from impossible that he will, if he is driven enough to keep at it for the long haul.

          Did Lewis become “pretty decent?” I think there are probably a fair number of career journeymen who became one (or two) year wonders when put into a perfect spot to maximize their ability.

          On the flip side, how do you evaluate someone like Kurt Warner? He couldn’t even make a team, let alone earn enough playing time to be awful, for the first few years of his career.

          Interestingly, up until a few years ago, it was received wisdom that WRs didn’t really blossom until year 3. I’m not a big fan of such bright line rules, but there must have been at least some anectdotal evidence to support it, given how widely it was accepted for a while.

          I’ve felt for a while that player talent and coaching are nearly equal contributors to player success for many, if not most, players in the NFL. One need look no further than the absolute failure of QBs under Jeff Fisher. And yet, shortly after his departure, the NFC championship game was played between two of those failures (one of whom went on to be SB MVP, and the other was extremely highly rated by stats geeks this season), and Goff is now considered a franchise QB in the making.

          Then you throw in the fact these are young men, who are maturing mentally, physically, and emotionally, during the time period being observed. That human side is often as important as the all the other factors, combined. (See, e.g., Shawn Andrews).

          It’s a complicated question, and not easily reducible to simple rules or percentages.

          • Philadelphian

            I think a lot also depends on the coaching and type of system you play in. For example, having Brandon Graham play OL in a 3-4 wasn’t a great fit even though he did better than expected, while it fit Connor Barwin perfectly.

            Another thing concerning Agholor was not was he expected to be as good as Jeremy Maclin in his rookie year, but he played a good part of the year injured. It didn’t help that an inexperienced coach like Greg Lewis coached him in his 2nd year.

          • D3FB

            Dion Lewis was 25lbs larger than Pumphrey.

    • Mac

      If you’re into optimism, and the Eagles… this is the place to be.

    • A_T_G

      Giving up on him now would be absurd. This is the time of the year where everyone gets to be the next big thing, even a guy that can run under a truck trailer without ducking.

    • Buge Halls

      It’s amazing what an actual receivers’s coach can do for a player having trouble, vs what a former receiver pretending he’s a coach can do!

      • Philadelphian

        True, but with Lewis it might have simply been a problem of lack of experience.

        • Buge Halls

          Kind of what I was getting at.

          • Philadelphian

            I guess my point was that some coaches are bad no matter how much experience they have.

  • Frencheaglesfan

    Hey guys! next week I’ll finally discover the amazing city of Philadelphia. (I know, timing is a b**ch)

    Would you have some adresses to share, nice place to visit, place to eat a good cheesestake of course, to go out dancing and also and very important to buy vintage eagles gear! I know I can find all of this online but I would greatly appreciate a true philly insight!

    Thanks a million!

    • Masked Man

      Best place in Philly for sports gear since forever:

      Mitchell & Ness

      “Purveyor of authentic throwback team apparel, replica jerseys,
      snapbacks, fitted hats, and branded apparel since 1904. Shop by League, Team, and More.”

      Address: 1201 Chestnut St, Philadelphia, PA 19107

      Phone: (267) 273-7622

      https://www.mitchellandness.com/

      • Frencheaglesfan

        Thank you, exactly what I was looking for! I want my kelly green jacket :).

        • Masked Man

          Your welcome, FEF! They can make any custom jersey if they don’t have it on the shelf or on the rack. And they will have many old school favorites available like Randall Cunningham, Ron Jaworski, Wilbert Montgomery.

      • Ryan Rambo

        Good lookin’ out man!

    • joe

      Sacrilege maybe, but in my opinion, the cheesesteak isn’t even the best sandwich in town. Definitely try one, but compare to a roast pork with broccoli rabe and sharp provolone. Also, Philly is a really good beer town, so ya got something to wash it down with!

      • Frencheaglesfan

        Thanks, we are planning to stay 3 days, plenty of time to try different food and beers :).

        • joe

          Walk into here hungry: https://readingterminalmarket.org/ Enjoy your trip!

          • Vink

            Is Dinico’s still there? (I think that’s the place.). Could have gone there every day for their pork sandwich when I was working in town.

      • Mac

        Agree 100%. Diavolo at Paesano’s is the truth. The Italian Market’s a nice place to walk around/check out.

    • Dragon_Eagle

      Agree with the suggestions below. Get your Eagles gear first. Wear it daily. The spirit in this town is sky high right now and anyone who embraces the Birds will be welcomed as a brother.

  • RC5000

    Good to hear Pump has a great attitude and he’s hungry. Make it happen!

    • Ryan Rambo

      I’m glad he’s hungry! He needs to keep adding weight!

      • or____

        Hungry dogs run faster.

  • RC5000

    I’m totally glad they aren’t in the HOF game. Tommy is all over the reasons why it’s good for the team. It’s all about Dawk anyhow!

  • RobNE

    if anyone hasn’t seen, SI has an Eagles deal where for about $80 you get a) one year subscription (eh), b) an NFL football with stand that says Eagles and I think has all the team’s scores (not sure how they do that), c) an 85 page Eagles book with pictures from the year AND d) an Eagles jacket. That’s a pretty good deal.

    I got one for me and a friend. If Tommy pm’s me his address I’ll get one for him for all his work over the years.

  • Dave

    I’m curious to see what Jarvis Landry gets in free agency. He wants #1 receiver money, which is not traditionally paid to slot receivers. Also curious what JMatt gets (assuming it will be a 1 year prove-it type deal).

    These deals may give a window into Ag’s value, considering he is the #3 receiving option in our offense.

  • A_T_G

    From the “On the Bubble” section of the Possible Cuts article:
    ” Torrey Smith, WR, Philadelphia Eagles: General manager Howie Roseman has a good problem. He has so many contracts below market value that it’s hard to find veterans to release. The Eagles are the only team in the NFL currently projected to be over the salary cap and will have to let go of a few capable players to make room. Smith helped make up for a rocky season (36 catches for 430 yards and two TDs) with a productive playoff run (13 catches, 157 yards and a score in three games), but he was ultimately the team’s fourth option in the passing game.”

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000916194/article/dez-bryant-jordy-nelson-among-nfc-cut-candidates?campaign=Twitter_atn

    • RobNE

      he’s owed like $5 million next year right? he’s not on the bubble, he’s gone.

      • RC5000

        I don’t think he’ll be back. They might consider him for the minimum but I don’t even know about that. I think they have hopes for Hollins and Gibson. Even when Smith catches the ball it’s almost never a clean catch.

      • A_T_G

        That was my take as well. Great guy, but the team has cheaper options that could be better.

      • Fufina

        Dunno you can do things to be able to bring him back… it just will have cap consequences down the road. Converting Lanes or Cox’s salary into signing bonus will free up a lot of cap, extending Graham will probably bring down his 2018 salary etc.

        My instinct is he is gone, but $5mil is not a lot in the 2018 cap paradigm, and he is a high character guy. He has a chance of being back.

        • laeagle

          I may be in the minority, but I agree with you. I don’t think the $5 mil is that much in the grand scheme of things. He proved his value in the playoffs. But, I guess it depends on what other steps they take and how tight they are. I think they’ll be much more reluctant to let him go than the fan base will be.

      • Philadelphian

        I think it comes down to how important it is to have someone be able to stretch the field. It’s hard to determine how much success underneath can be attributed to Smith.

        Maybe Hollins is an option or even Gibson, but it’s something the Eagles sorely missed after DeSean left.

      • Buge Halls

        He’s under contract for two years at $5 mil each. But the good news is there’s no dead cap when he’s. So it was basically a year “test drive” deal. He’ll be gone. He’s not that much of an improvement over Hollins (16/22 226 1TD) – who is much cheaper!

      • Someguy77

        He isn’t a meaningful special teams contributor and is a certain goner.

    • scratcherk

      Bye Felicia

  • RC5000

    If the Eagles trade down from 32, how much is that 5th year option on rookie contracts of first rounders worth if anything? Should it be a factor deciding whether to trade down or not?

    • Fufina

      The option for top-ten picks is set at an amount equal to the salary of the Transition Tender for the player’s fourth contract year. This salary is calculated, to put it simply, by finding the average of the top ten highest Prior Year Salaries for players at the same position.

      For players selected between 11th and 32nd in the draft, the same calculation is used to compute their salaries. The difference lies in what is averaged; rather than the top ten, the 3rd-25th highest Prior Year Salaries for the player’s position will be used.

      This does mean for some positions the 32nd pick is much more “worth it” than others. A safety or RB is pretty cheap to keep on a 5th year option and will likely be significantly below market value. A NT, ILB or Center tends to be pretty bad value since their market is inflated with the bigger position group (OL, DL, LB) and high value pass rushers.

      • Dave

        Ags 5th year option will be over $9M for 2019.

        Eagles have until early May to make a decision.

    • Donald Kalinowski

      THEY CANNOT TRADE OUT OF THE FIRST ROUND THIS YEAR.

      • kajomo

        Why?

        • Guy Media

          That almost sounds like a dare.

        • Guy Media

          Round 2 Pick 5 (NYJ): Martinas Rankin, OT, Mississippi State (B+)
          Round 3 Pick 8 (NYJ): Dante Pettis, WR, Washington (A)
          Round 4 Pick 31: Folorunso Fatukasi, DT, Connecticut (A)
          Round 4 Pick 32: Nick Nelson, CB, Wisconsin (A+)
          Round 5 Pick 19: Kyzir White, SS, West Virginia (A+)
          Round 5 Pick 32: Azeem Victor, ILB, Washington (A+)
          Round 6 Pick 32: Jack Cichy, ILB/OLB, Wisconsin (A+)

          See, I traded down from 32 and did great. And I still got D3’s boy Rankin.

        • Donald Kalinowski

          So that they can be identified Super Bowl Cchampions prime time on national TV in Dallas.

          • kajomo

            They will when they are announced as being on the clock. Then they can trade the pick

      • Guy Media

        Do you have a guy in mind you want at 32 or are you just generally opposed to trading down this year?

    • kajomo

      Considering the eagles tend to extend their young players asap it has very little value.

    • Guy Media

      That’s a really good question. I’m inclined to agree with Kajomo in that the Eagles don’t let stuff linger that long with their first rounders.

      But how much is it worth to another team is a great question; especially if somebody has a hard on for a QB.

  • or____

    Ha, BGN Suh article

  • Ryan Rambo

    So without a doubt we won the Eric Rowe trade right??

    • Guy Media

      Ask Alshon

      • Ryan Rambo

        Lol Touche’!

    • daveH

      We cane get past it. . He was a draftee who we always feel is ours .. and her is athletic shock we had been so so so starved for …

    • or____

      We should see who the draft pick ends up being/turning into…

  • Insomniac

    Pumphrey is just plain slow. It’s hard to imagine him getting any better with like 20+ pounds on him. Luckily, we don’t need him to really pan out but it’ll be nice if he wasn’t worse than Barner.

    As for the Suh thing, it’d be nice but I need some convincing on Suh. We know that he’s a beast but he doesn’t seem to fit the culture. Although, I would love to have a better backup just in case Jernigan doesn’t play up to his contract.

    • Crus57

      Ags has shown that year-to-year rookies can improve mightily, but only if they want it bad enough. Jury’s out on Pumphrey, but he didn’t make an impression in his first year,

      As for Suh, he can be a dominant player and putting him on the line with Cox and Graham etc. would be sweet.. but I think he’s more of an Albert Haynesworth mercenary type by now and agree he probably won’t fit the culture.

      • Insomniac

        Rather unfair to compare Ags and Pumphrey since Ags has always shown some flashes. I’d say the closest thing is Clement but Clement produced while Pumphrey looked like some average joe from the streets.

        I don’t mind that he’s a mercenary but the locker room fit is definitely my only concern.

        • or____

          To say that Pump has not always shown flashes, are you saying his college career means zilch? I’m not saying it has to translate, but still.

          • Insomniac

            Absolutely means nothing to me if it doesn’t translate. I have no clue why people obsess over college stats or awards. You’re nobody in the NFL until you prove you are somebody.

          • RC5000

            Agholor didn’t prove he could play in the NFL before this year. He was a nobody before this year.

          • Insomniac

            Of course but Ags showed something instead of nothing unlike Pumphrey.

          • RC5000

            He showed a little but it was also over two years not that that I think Pump will be that good. The thing with Ags is he got really good.

          • or____

            Obsess over is one thing. Dismiss entirely is equally unreasonable too though. It just seems like closing date the book this early is silly. Kelce slap worthy.

          • Insomniac

            Who said I dismissed it? His college tape wasn’t impressive and you could tell that he was going to struggle at the next level. Could he still be decent? Sure but is it likely? We’ll find out.

          • or____

            To me it seemed as though you dismissed it. His college production speaks for itself. His tape was impressive to me.

          • D3FB

            When the guy who replaces him leads the NCAA in rushing, it kinda does.

          • or____

            Yeah yeah…

        • Someguy77

          Agholor was a fairly high 1st round pick. He wasn’t getting cut regardless of what happened last year in trading camp.

          If Pumphrey isn’t a meaningful contributor as a KR (maybe as a PR) he has little value on this roster.

  • Sean E

    Please pay BG, thank you!

    • Ryan Rambo

      I’d take a paycut but I’m already working for free.

    • daveH

      And Nigel B (but not more than 7.5)

  • Someguy77

    It wouldn’t surprise if Pumphrey didn’t make the roster next year even if Blount & Sproles aren’t resigned.

    Maybe Pumphrey sticks as a 3rd down back/return specialist but I expect he’ll have to show something & beat out whoever the Eagles draft late or bring in as an UFDA.

    Clement rewarded them handsomely doing so and I can’t see them just handing a roster spot to Pumphrey because he was a 4th round pick 2 years ago.

  • Ryan Rambo

    We have so many young guys that now know what it takes to make it to the Super Bowl, and also win it.

  • Someguy77

    Regardless what happens this offseason, people need to not expect every secondary move the Eagles make to be such a success.

    Eagles signed Long, Robinson, Wiz, C. Graham, and Blount all late in FA or well into training camp on very modest deals and every one of them paid huge dividends.

    The only later move they made which didn’t pan out was the McDougle trade with the Jets. Only gave up Brooks which didn’t hurt them at all.

    Still what amazes me more than anything about last offseason.

  • Dragon_Eagle

    Jason Peters. To me, this is the biggest offseason decision the FO faces.

    I’m really curious to see how Howie & co. handle this situation. Its really difficult. Peters is owed $10 million for next year coming off an ACL tear while Vaitai proved at least adequate if not downright decent. JP is a fan favorite, team leader, and future HoFer.

    I am hoping Howie learned from the Brian Dawkins fiasco, and we don’t see anything resembling a repeat, but this decision is not likely going to be easy.

    • Insomniac

      I’m going to go with Dougie on this, JP is our starting LT if he wants to be. How are you going to piss off our savior after all?

    • Someguy77

      Dawkins fiasco wasn’t not drafting or signing an adequate replacement.

      Banner absolutely made the right decision to not match the deal Denver gave. Broncos got 3/4 of a good season out of Dawkins, he got injured, and then was underwhelming the rest of his deal.

      People seem to forgot how much of a liability Dawkins was here in pass coverage and his much he got lite up at times including in the 2008 NFC Championship game.

      You can’t afford to be setimental in the NFL if you want to stay on top for an extended stretch.

      • Dragon_Eagle

        The part that was a fiasco, and even Joe Banner expressed his regrets, was the way it went down – just citing numbers & stats rather than a respectful parting of ways.

  • scratcherk

    I want to go to the home opener… will there be a chance to buy single game tickets for it or is it going to be purely secondary ticket market?

    • DustyRyder71

      Whatever tickets are made available will be gone as fast as the NFCCG tickets went. You’re looking at $400 and up on StubHub, I’m guessing.

    • Dragon_Eagle

      They will likely be available when they sell these in June- or at least I would think so. All these tickets public sale/facev value tix to all the games are in the nosebleed section and gone in less than 15 minutes in normal offseasons. Doable, but you need some luck.

  • Flyineagle45

    Brett Farve OC you heard it here first

    • scratcherk

      gross.

      • Insomniac

        Absolutely gross.

    • scratcherk

      there would never be another punt again

      • Flyineagle45

        Douggie P is our coach! What’s a punt? He went for it on 4th and down at the Super Bowl Bro

    • Ryan Rambo

      Lol that’s too much fukkit in one qb room!

    • Dragon_Eagle

      Good hire for the Cowboys.

  • bushisamoron

    I wouldn’t give up on Pumphrey. Just going into his second year. Scouts liked him, howie liked him, traded up to get him. Last year at this time Agholor was a bum and Kelce needed to be cut.