PHI 15, CAR 14 – 2nd Half Thread

Posted: November 26th, 2012 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 184 Comments »

Super Bowl, here we come.  After going down 14-3, I got a bit scared.  Now I know that Big Red was just trying to make his former protege Ron Rivera feel good for a few minutes.  Andy is nice.

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Bryce Brown looks great.  The OL is opening good holes.  Even Dion Lewis is contributing.

Nick Foles was good on the opening drive unti that got to the Red Zone.  Since then, he’s been highly erratic.  His decision-making has not been good.  Nick is forcing the ball into coverage.  That has to stop.  He’s had 3 INTs dropped by the Panthers.

The defense was awful, but then came alive in the 2nd Qtr. More of that, please.

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  • P_P_K

    Not just Rivera, I’ll bet Mcdermott was lovin’ it.

    • TommyLawlor

      Both McDermotts.

  • http://www.facebook.com/salmonofcapistrano Mike Roman

    I am staying awake in hopes of seeing positive signs from Foles. We currently don’t have a QB for next year and there aren’t really many options out there.

  • ceteris_paribus1776

    Matthews done

    • A_T_G

      Maybe, but that penalty might be his biggest contribution to date.

  • lilmc

    Come on D!

  • eagles2zc

    Oh Coleman

  • A_T_G

    How did he catch that? And where was the PI?

    • phillychuck

      Very borderline PI. DRC was on his arm early.

  • ceteris_paribus1776

    Cole has actually played well tonight against the run.

    Secondary cant make a play

  • phillychuck

    Zero ball skills.

  • bdbd20

    This secondary is making things easy for the decision makers this off-season.

    • TommyLawlor

      Yep.

  • DamonL86

    2 guys defending a jump ball of course the wr will catch it.

  • BobSmith77

    :(

  • phillychuck

    Patterson falling down and losing contain cost that first down.

  • ceteris_paribus1776

    Coleman whiffing on a 3rd down tackle. Worst safety tandem in the league…

    • BobSmith77

      Not sure what has happened with Allen as the season has progressed. I thought he was really solid the first month. Coleman just reverted back to the subpar bench player he is.

  • ceteris_paribus1776

    95 yd drive. Awesome stuff

    • eagles2zc

      Should have called the 3rd down holding on Cole

      • ceteris_paribus1776

        Meh, that one could go either way. This team just isn’t very good no matter how you slice it

    • TommyLawlor

      Not good. DEs are undisciplined. Keep rushing too much upfield. Must mush rush and contain Newton.

  • the midatlantic

    Mike Patterson looks fat

    • BobSmith77

      Should read ‘Mike Patterson is fat’

  • ceteris_paribus1776

    Dawkins would’ve piledriven Cam on that one. Allen just let Superman soar.

  • http://twitter.com/dfowler587 DF587

    Are we the only kickoff return team that doesn’t use a 2-man wedge? All four or five blockers just take off in different directions on every return and mostly miss their guy?!

  • shah8

    that pair of runs just now…almost as good as the TD runs…BB is playing very well

  • eagles2zc

    Arm tackles can’t bring down Brown

  • A_T_G

    We declined a penalty because we earned more yards. When is the last time that happened?

  • ceteris_paribus1776

    Down by contact

    • shah8

      no challenge, though

      • A_T_G

        It is automatic. A challenge would have been a penalty and negated th automatic review.

        • shah8

          oh, yes…how could I “forget”…what a lame rule

          • A_T_G

            The negating the automatic review part is ridiculous.

      • ceteris_paribus1776

        Am I crazy or was that really close for it to be glossed over like that?

  • P_P_K

    Brown sets the Eagles rushing record and then turns the ball over. Salt in the wounds.

    • A_T_G

      Cut the bum.

      • P_P_K

        Better than a cut in the bum.

  • http://twitter.com/dfowler587 DF587

    Taking inventory on Offense. Solid left side of o-line, 1 stud RB, average TE, 1 good WR (Desean). Everything else is replaceable.

  • DamonL86

    nice tackling

  • http://twitter.com/dfowler587 DF587

    CURRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • TommyLawlor

      Good to see him get a hit on Newton.

  • noah heulitt

    BG and Curry at end are playing well right now. Why was Curry inactive for so long???

    • TommyLawlor

      Washburn loves Darryl Tapp.

      • noah heulitt

        Tapp seems to always play with hustle, but always seem to eaten up in blocks. Curry, so far, seems to be doing a better job of shedding blocks and reading the play. Hope he continues to see time with BG

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=548999324 Matt Hoover

          I disagree Graham had a rough night, Currey looked good tho

    • BobSmith77

      Going to make releasing Babin even easier if they get solid play out of these 2 for the rest of the season.

      • noah heulitt

        I hope so.

        • BobSmith77

          I do too. One of my least favorite Eagles in a long time for multiple reasons.

    • A_T_G

      I have liked what I’ve seen from them too.

  • A_T_G

    Oh no, not Bell!

  • shah8

    Bell Incoming! Take Cover!

    • TommyLawlor

      Cover your kids’ eyes.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=548999324 Matt Hoover

        Can we please start Menkin vs Dallas?

  • shah8

    Remember, as crap as Foles had been, he can actually make throws routinely that Christian Ponder can’t. And Andy Reid is making far more demands of Foles than Frazier and Musgrave have of Ponder.

    #itcanalwaysbeworse

    • shah8

      Yup, and BB makes it all worth it…

  • http://twitter.com/dfowler587 DF587

    Tirico with the line of the night “The Bryce is Right” :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/erik.haney.7 Erik Haney

    I like the Ghram Curry tandem

    • BobSmith77

      Spelled that way and it looks like a Wed night special at my favorite local Indian place . . . Also includes G Naan

  • SleepingDuck

    Only positive from this game is Bryce Brown.. Props to Howie and Andy for finding him.

  • TommyLawlor

    Legit PI call on Nakamura.

    Great TD run. Simple. Just used burst off the edge.

  • A_T_G

    I have a Buick LeSabre. Maybe I should send in a resume?

  • BobSmith77

    Entertaining game if less than stellar execution by both teams so far. It does piss me of to no end though to watch the Eagles stay close by using a run/pass ratio close to 50/50 and not asking his QB to do too much with a conservative game plan.

  • bdbd20

    Ghost of Jim Johnson credited with the tackle there on Olsen.

    • Concussed FB

      Well played.

    • http://twitter.com/dfowler587 DF587

      The Buffalo Wild Wings guy, hit the sprinkler

  • shah8

    Someone called Patterson “fat”?

    • BobSmith77

      Proper clinical term would be ‘morbidly obese’

  • A_T_G

    Good for Patt

    • TommyLawlor

      Yep.

  • ceteris_paribus1776

    Soooo, can 9-7 get them in the playoffs!!!

  • ceteris_paribus1776

    Ooops

    • shah8

      No, that DE is no joke…good play on his part

    • TommyLawlor

      Can’t have the fumbles.

      • A_T_G

        Strangely, I’m not angry, I fell bad for the kid. I guess that says a lot about where we are at this season.

  • ceteris_paribus1776

    What an awful angle by Nnamdi

    • TommyLawlor

      That was terrible. Gave ‘em easy yards.

      • ceteris_paribus1776

        Tim Ryan and Pat Kirwin said today that Nnamdi was was pretty terrible this year. That he looks like “just another guy” playing Cb

    • bdbd20

      That won’t be an issue next year.

  • http://www.facebook.com/salmonofcapistrano Mike Roman

    Dog sh*t on the OL, but still winning by running a balanced offense..all the more reason to fire Reid. Shoulda been doing this all year (last 14 years).

    • BobSmith77

      Don’t expect Reid to ‘run the ball for running the ball sake’ but it has been even more frustrating this year refuse to dial things back given all of the inconsistency/roster shuffling/injuries the OL has dealt with this year.

    • teltschikfakeout88

      It’s the panthers one of a few teams which we have more wins than. Let’s not extrapolate this performance onto to others games against other teams. Also we just fumbled again. Same junk as the past games and I am pretty sure Reid does not game plan for lost fumbles. Just sayin

  • SleepingDuck

    Please stop fumbling….

  • Ark87

    eagles up with the ball on a short field, felt good for the first time in a long time…was good while it lasted

  • eagles2zc

    None of our secondary can tackle tonight

    • A_T_G

      Eh, they turned him back inside.

      • eagles2zc

        Boykins did, Coleman had a chance coming from the inside

    • ceteris_paribus1776

      Tonight??? Try for two years!

    • TommyLawlor

      Nate’s been okay, I think. Kurt, DRC, and Nnamdi not so much.

  • http://www.facebook.com/erik.haney.7 Erik Haney

    tommy what do you think of curry so far?

  • BobSmith77

    I would love to see the numbers break out after tonight on the defense under Castillo and Bowles but I have no idea why this defense is suddenly tackling the past month like they did last year. Only guy that tackles with any kind of consistency not on the DL is Ryans.

  • A_T_G

    McCoy’s been teaching Brown how to carry the ball.

  • BobSmith77

    I have been pretty impressed by Newton tonight. He has a little more talent around him than RGIII does but both guys could use a lot more help.

  • A_T_G

    Now Foles has to take a snap, turn around like that, then throw deep.

  • Concussed FB

    I call that pass the bad shot put.

  • shah8

    you had to do a QB sneak there…

    • http://twitter.com/dfowler587 DF587

      didn’t like the outside run there. need to go up the gut

    • P_P_K

      Donovan was money on those.

    • TommyLawlor

      Yep.

  • DamonL86

    don’t like the play call there

    • TommyLawlor

      Needed to sneak on 4th/inches. Ugh.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=548999324 Matt Hoover

        Why hasn’t Reid ever done the QB sneak going back to Dmac on 4th and inches?

  • bdbd20

    Um, you have a 240 lb QB and you run that play on 4th and inches. I give up, they’re obviously smarter than all of us.

    • BobSmith77

      Of course Andy won’t give any kind of legit or honest response after the game on why he made that call there.

  • A_T_G

    Come on guys, a failed sneak and the comments would have been about not giving the ball to the guy with the record setting day. Just be glad we didn’t throw it.

    • shah8

      I don’t think so. The critical, absolute critical issue with the Eagles over the last few years has been weak interior linemen. If we could rely on a line to get a push, then it wouldn’t be controversial at all to hand off to BB.

      • shah8

        And even then, we could run on the left pretty good. No quality on the left side of the line now.

  • ceteris_paribus1776

    Whadda ya know, Coleman and Asomugha combine for….a big play given up

  • A_T_G

    That counts as a sack for Babin! He is back!

  • BobSmith77

    It would be nice if the defense actually forced a turnover here for a change and made a play.

    • TommyLawlor

      Not yet. Waiting for the right moment.

  • DamonL86

    nice discipline on D

  • Ark87

    was wondering where the crowd was…there they are!

  • DarthBanner

    Panthers are going to win the game, but the Eagles win the battle of the draft order.

    • http://twitter.com/dfowler587 DF587

      Showed them

  • A_T_G

    And hope springs eternal.

    • TommyLawlor

      OT? You as excited as I am?

      • A_T_G

        A tough win here could harden our troops for a deep playoff run…

    • http://twitter.com/dfowler587 DF587

      Eternity is not very long…..apparently

  • bdbd20

    I see Carolina is keeping their draft position in mind.

    • A_T_G

      We aren’t going to let them get away with that.

  • DarthBanner

    Poor Bowles, handed a hot steaming mess, but boy is his reputation taking a beating.

    • Skeptic_Eagle

      he always keeps a smile on his face, though!

  • P_P_K

    The 2-8 Panthers have been averaging about 18 points a game. Our D really is this bad.

    • ceteris_paribus1776

      And the thing is you can’t even blame that on injuries. That’s pure TALENT!

  • DamonL86

    Perfect

  • http://twitter.com/makarov__ Songbird Rescue Cat

    If the Eagles defense were a mother -

  • http://twitter.com/makarov__ Songbird Rescue Cat

    And that is a perfect ending to a mess of a game

  • the midatlantic

    turnovers, turnovers, turnovers

  • BobSmith77

    Booooo!

  • eagles2zc

    Eagles just can’t win

  • SleepingDuck

    And that’s the game..

  • bdbd20

    it’s pretty bad when the fan-base just expects failure.

    • eagles2zc

      It’s a defense mechanism. I came in with low expectations and right now I’m not that mad

  • DarthBanner

    Such a terrible football team. We might not win again. ever.

  • ceteris_paribus1776

    I don’t even get upset anymore! I love it…complete emotional freedom!

    • TommyLawlor

      Ditto.

  • BobSmith77

    Eagles D has quickly become the defense you want your fantasy QB facing.

    • TommyLawlor

      Absolutely.

    • Steag209

      I was up by 23 going into tonight and all he had left was…. Cam Newton

  • A_T_G

    -9 during the six game losing streak, -8 in the first 4. So, we are improving!

  • bdbd20

    Oh god, not this timeout crap again. Just let it end Andy

  • BobSmith77

    Was Nnamdi even going to try to tackle on that Stewart run that got called back? More questionable effort by the defense in this game.

  • Ark87

    god look at our offensive line-up, mathis, maclin, celek , and havili are the last starters standing

    • shah8

      havili is a part timer

  • BobSmith77

    Penalties (lack of focus) and I would argue a clear lack of effort here in the 2nd half. What a pathetic display by the defense.

  • ceteris_paribus1776

    They gave up 30 to Carolina. I can’t wait for this season to be over

  • ceteris_paribus1776

    Great coverage with the game on the line

    • TommyLawlor

      Didn’t give up a TD…so I concur.

  • http://twitter.com/dfowler587 DF587

    Aaaaaand. Goodnight. I look forward to reading the DGR, Tommy. Thank you.

  • A_T_G

    I think our European friends went to bed. Good for them.

    • P_P_K

      The bigger fools are on this side of the Atlantic.

      • A_T_G

        If it was 5 AM to have seen this I’d be Euro-pissed.

        • P_P_K

          If we travel east and cross the dateline, it will be tomorrow night and we’ll be watching MNF. If we travel west, it will be yesterday and we won’t have suffered through this game. With this kind of logic, I expect to soon have a position on the Eagles staff.

    • TommyLawlor

      I hope they enjoyed at least 1 Bryce Brown TD.

      • GermanEagle

        I saw the first BB TD live and also enjoyed his seccond “as-live” on my NFL.com gamepass this morning…his 2 fumbles?! Not so much…!

    • GermanEagle

      I went back to bed at 3am. Glad that I did after watching the condensed 2nd half on my NFL gamepass this morning.

  • ceteris_paribus1776

    Would anyone be upset if Andy were fired tomorrow? I honestly could careless what they do at this point.

  • bdbd20

    #3 Pick!!!!!!

  • BobSmith77

    Friend texted and said maybe 60-65% actually showed up. Tirico was right that this felt like a preseason game.

  • DamonL86

    There is nothing left to say about this team

  • ceteris_paribus1776

    Great stat there. Car held the NFL record for not holding an opponent scoreless in the 4th QR until they faced the juggernaut in Philly

  • eagles2zc

    I change my mind. I’m still pretty mad lol. That entire 4th quarter sequence was atrocious

  • BobSmith77

    The ‘Fire Reid Now’ will grow after the game and rightly so given what I thought was questionable effort by the defense tonight. Only reason Reid should stay is because of what he has done for the franchise.

    • Eagles_Fan_in_San_Fran

      On keeping Reid at this point:
      “For who, for what?”

  • Concussed FB

    Worth watching the post game show, Didinger looked to be a few moments from an epic meltdown on the loathsome Rendell.

  • ceteris_paribus1776

    Why does everyone keep asking “what was the difference tonight…” I regard to Cam or Carolina in general when it was clear that the difference was playing a truly shitty opponent! One of the worst 5 teams in the league with KC, Oak, Cle & Jax

  • BobSmith77

    Reid in the post-game conference acts like a professional in that he refuses to throw any body under the bus and take the onus on himself. Really difficult thing to do given the circumstances. He easily could lash out or be critical of some of his player’s mistakes tonight including the rookies.

    I will disagree with him though that is team played with a ‘high energy level’ tonight including on defense.

    • Eagles_Fan_in_San_Fran

      It’s just the same recycled crap he’s shooting out once again.
      And who’s he going to throw under the bus, anyway – he’s 100% responsible for this roster and team.

      • BobSmith77

        He easily could have thrown Brown under the bus or the poor execution by his players. He didn’t.

        Not saying the Reid deserves heaping praise for saying the same generic stuff. Just acting like a professional and keeping his demeanor in the spite of this debacle. That’s all.

    • mhrinda

      It gets old. Let his players take responsibility for constantly losing game after game after game…. him protecting his players has gone a little too far.

    • P_P_K

      I completely agree about Andy’s professionalism and integrity. Imagine how tough it must be to stand there and answer those questions knowing the fans are hanging “Fire Andy” banners and your career in the City is coming to an end. A lot of his rote answers certainly have gotten old, but the guy still acts like a leader in that he accepts the buck stops with him.

  • mhrinda

    Tommy are you ready to surrender now?

    • TommyLawlor

      Never!!! 8-8 and on the way to the Super Bowl. How can you doubt it will happen?

      • mhrinda

        Go Eagles !!

  • mhrinda

    Seriously lets pray we get a GM and coach that can evaluate talent and can get a system in place that we can all enjoy watching again….

  • SteveH

    If Bryce Brown hadn’t fumbled twice that would have been a pretty epic first start for him. He does look like a legit talent though, good size/strength/speed and a surprising amount of elusiveness. If he can get ball security under control he has serious upside moving forward.

    • TommyLawlor

      Big time potential. Must clean up the mistakes.

  • Eagles4life

    Andy Reid in his press conference: “COX has suffered a lower back contusion….. LOL!!!

  • Baloophi

    RE: Fumbles and mental mistakes…

    In an alternate universe where Bill Parcells was coaching this team, are there 11 players on either side of the ball that he would even put out there? Or would he have gone Norman Dale and played with 3 or 4 guys to prove a point?

    • BobSmith77

      If Parcells was the GM/coach, he would make some changes after this game including moving Babin into a role as just a limited role player and not a starter for making that really stupid offsides penalty & his constant lack of gap and lane discipline.

  • BobSmith77

    Didinger – “This is just a lousy defense.” Pretty much and all you need to know about this game & team right now.

  • BobSmith77

    Invested massive resources the past 2 offseasons to improve the defense and they have subsequently got a worse performance each season.

    Besides Cox, Kendricks, and Cole, I don’t see any starters on this defense right now who have a good bet to be the starters in Week 1 next year. Not because Kendricks or Cole have played that well either but there are so many holes that they Eagles won’t be able to address them all.

  • BobSmith77

    Reuben Frank – “First time in franchise history that the Eagles have allowed 28 or more points in 5 consecutive games.”