SAM Update

Posted: April 12th, 2012 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 96 Comments »

There is no hard news to report on SAM.  Seth Joyner, Bill Romanowski, and Carlos Emmons remain serious targets if we can borrow the time machine from Doc and Marty, but I can’t get them to return my calls.

The Eagles did bring Utah State LB Bobby Wagner to Philly for a visit.  They were also at his Pro Day.  That shows serious interest.  Wagner missed the Combine because he had pneumonia.  Wuss.  That kept the Eagles from meeting with him there so that could be why they had him come for a visit.

The Eagles had Mike Caldwell run the drills at Luke Kuechly’s Pro Day.  That was prior to the DeMeco Ryans trade, but I’m sure the Eagles still have interest in Luke Kuechwalker.

There is no news of the Eagles and Lavonte David, Zach Brown, Keenan Robinson, Nigel Bradham, etc.  Why?  These guys are Seniors.  The Eagles studied their tape all year.  The scouts dug into their backgrounds.  The Eagles saw these guys up close at the Senior Bowl and again at the Combine.  There really is no need for further visits/workouts.

Because of this…SAM is a mystery to us.  We don’t know who the Eagles are targeting.  Do they want a SAM at 15?  2nd round?  3rd or 4th?  It is frustrating not to know, but it is probably a good thing because it means that other teams also don’t know.

I think the Eagles will add a quality SAM prospect.  It is encouraging to see them being thorough on Wagner.  Good college career.  Very good athlete.  Strong showing at the Senior Bowl.  If he was 6-2, we might be talking about him at pick 15.  Since he’s just 6-0, he slides into the 2nd round.  Could be a good SAM in our system.  If we miss/pass on Kuechwalker, Wagner would be a nice consolation prize.

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The Eagles also brought in RB Robert Turbin, Wagner’s teammate at USU.  He’s not LaRon Landry, but…


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Trevor Laws signed with the Rams.  Good luck to him.  Didn’t work in Philly for a variety of reasons.  Glad we kept Landri and not him, even though the team initially was trying harder to keep him.  Sometimes the best deals are the ones that don’t happen.

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The Asante express out of Philly has slowed down.  He and/or his agent are not helping matters.  I’m guessing Sunday morning’s Twitter rant from him is a sign of his frustration at the current situation.  Asante can’t understand why teams don’t give into his demands.  In his mind, he’s an elite CB (probably the mostest elitestest CB of all time) who teams should covet at all costs.  That’s just not reality.  Teams do want him, but just not to the level he thinks. I’m still hopeful something happens before the draft.  If we can get CB prospects Dre Kirkpatrick and Janoris Jenkins to take Stephon Gilmore out for a night on the town and some ensuing arrests, that would help.

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For I wrote about backup RB and some misc draft stuff.

Posted some draft notes this morning at ScoutsNotebook.


96 Comments on “SAM Update”

  1. 1 Joe Taylor said at 10:37 AM on April 12th, 2012:

    Why has Zach Brown’s stock gone down? He was in everyone’s first mock draft if I remember correctly.

  2. 2 Donald Kalinowski said at 12:29 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    I watched his highlight tape and was unimpressed. He doesn’t have good instincts, he over-pursues, can’t engage blockers, and misses a lot tackles. He’s very athletic and is a good blitzer, but he wouldn’t be an ideal player in our scheme.

  3. 3 TommyLawlor said at 12:39 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    Posted a long answer below.

  4. 4 Ben Aven said at 10:46 AM on April 12th, 2012:

    Turbin’s idol is “The Hulk”. Haven’t had a player that uses a comic book character as inspiration since Dawk.
    On that note, do you see the Eagles going with another downhill, power back after the Ronnie Brown experiment? Or do you think they’ll grab a player with the same skill set as McCoy, so if he goes down for a period of time, we won’t have to alter our offensive gameplan much?

  5. 5 Donald Kalinowski said at 12:31 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    I want someone like Cyrus Gray. A solid receiver, a good blocker, and someone with great patience that runs hard at every hand off.

  6. 6 T_S_O_P said at 12:58 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    Andy seems to love them, we have bought in countless big backs both rookies and vets since Duuuuuuuuuuuce left, Dorsey Levens, some dude from the Rams in’05 (forget his name), some rookie from Penn St, another from LSU, there were others, not that have named more than one. That must show they were all keepers 🙂

  7. 7 Toby_yboT said at 1:43 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    It would be nice to have a TJ Duckett / Warrick Dunn type of combo for our offense (same blocking scheme).

    I don’t understand why we’ve struggled so hard to find a big guy who works in our system. It’s not for lack of trying.

  8. 8 Skeptic_Eagle said at 10:50 AM on April 12th, 2012:

    I’m glad the Eagles are able to scoop guys like Dixon and Landri off the garbage heap and get the most out of them, but I have to say I’m disappointed in the turnover of draft picks recently. Another 2nd rounder down the tubes…

    If Wagner can play SAM at 6’0, then Kendricks can , too. All things being equal, I’ll take Kendricks over Wagner in a heartbeat. To me, Wagner is a little more physical than Zach Brown, and a little less adept in coverage, but kind of a poor man’s version. If SAM is a role that’s only on the field 55% of the time–in run situations, mostly–I’ll take the better run defender/blitzer in Kendricks. Kendricks also serves as a great long term MLB candidate since Ryans is moving into the latter part of his career. I’d also prefer Lavonte David to Wagner for those same reasons.

    Maybe I’m in the minority here, but if Zach Brown is a mid-2nd rounder–and I believe he will be–then I think Wagner’s a 3rd or later. He screams “Senior Bowl Standout”/finesse LB, and I think we have enough of each of those 2 categories, respectively, on our team already.

  9. 9 Arby1 said at 11:34 AM on April 12th, 2012:

    Wagner’s had an incredibly productive college career. Senior Bowl was just proof he could do the same against better competition.

  10. 10 TommyLawlor said at 11:48 AM on April 12th, 2012:

    Wagner is not finesse at all. You couldn’t be more wrong. He played like an ILB at lot at USU. There were times he stood up over the OG and rushed the passer. Wagner is tough. He is being looked at by some teams as a MLB.

  11. 11 Skeptic_Eagle said at 1:04 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    Oh, I’m sure I could be *more* wrong, like say, if I had asserted he was a dynamite pole-vaulter addicted to laughing gas. But I digress.

    Wagner looked best–like Brown–when being able to react to something in front of him and use his speed to make a play. Wagner takes on blockers better than Brown, but I’d say he still prefers to run around Olinemen than defeat them. He may have played ILB some, but he mostly played on the outside and in space. I’d think that most teams are going to draft him there. He’s a little bit of a “dive” tackler as well. Just my opinion, though. I’m no scout or anything.

  12. 12 Toby_yboT said at 1:46 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    One factor to consider in evaluating our recent draft picks, is the turnover and inconsistency we’ve had in coaching and scheme the last 4 or so years. The two go hand in hand, we haven’t helped our young guys out by going from 1 gap to 2 gap back to 1 gap (and JJ to McDermott to Castillo..) not that it was entirely by choice

  13. 13 Tyler Phillips said at 11:03 AM on April 12th, 2012:

    Turbin as FB competition?

  14. 14 TommyLawlor said at 12:40 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    Nah. RB.

  15. 15 Tyler Phillips said at 12:46 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    He looks the size of Weaver, that’s why I was wondering.

  16. 16 deg0ey said at 2:20 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    He’s about 30 pounds lighter than Weaver…

  17. 17 Mac said at 3:09 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    I doubt he runs his mouth like Weaver… haha… it was funny watchin other guys hold him back.

    I really miss that dude.

  18. 18 Anders Jensen said at 11:09 AM on April 12th, 2012:

    Tommy, I dont understand the need for a veteran RB. Lewis have proven he can take over for McCoy for a single game or two and I doubt a veteran RB would be a better upgrade consider Lewis should know the playbook better then any added veteran.

  19. 19 Ben Aven said at 11:26 AM on April 12th, 2012:

    I remember everyone thinking the same thing about Ryan Moats going into the 2006 season.
    I like Dion Lewis to get a few carries a game, but the thought of relying on him if McCoy goes down sorta scares me. I’d fell much better with the idea of Lewis and a veteran splitting time if McCoy does go down. Especially if it’s an extended period of time.

  20. 20 Anders Jensen said at 11:42 AM on April 12th, 2012:

    Who says the veteran will learn the playbook? When was the last time a veteran back added in an offseason proved to be a good back up there could take over several games?

  21. 21 GermanEagle said at 12:01 PM on April 12th, 2012:

  22. 22 Ben Aven said at 12:09 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    Jerome Harrison had his moments. Who’s to say Dion Lewis will develop the way they hope he does? That’s my point. No one is guaranteed to work out, so why not add a veteran that has at least shown he is capable of producing in the NFL for more than 1 game?

    I’m not saying it would be a surefire success. I’m only stating that at the very least they need to add someone that has a chance to do well in case Lewis falters the way Moats did.

    If Lewis shows he can handle it, great. If not, we would have a veteran that might can. Vice versa.

  23. 23 Anders Jensen said at 12:43 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    and who says the veteran back will not make a Ronnie Brown?

  24. 24 TommyLawlor said at 1:06 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    You are correct that veteran RBs could struggle or make mistakes. It is less likely with them compared to rookies, but there is no foolproof plan.

  25. 25 Brett Smith said at 11:58 AM on April 12th, 2012:

    I will add that every time we add a Veteran back, big, small, or some version thereof we never use him and he gets pissed off or stupid when he does play. So why bother?

    Andy only had a three headed monster once and it worked… but he got used to Westy and that is what they like. There are no backs with that skillset outside the Eagles locker room.

    Big back? I laugh at the idea of us using one… the last “Big Back” we had was the nimblest/fastest FB I had seen in years and he didn’t play like a big back.

    I am not sure MM has a play for “up the middle” or “3 yds and a cloud of dust”.

  26. 26 TommyLawlor said at 12:41 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    Dion can be a good backup.

    Problem is this…what if LeSean gets hurt? Do you trust Dion as the starter? The primary backup RB must be able to fill in as the starter. I don’t think Dion is ready for that. Maybe, but a risk. Smarter to bring in a draft pick or vet and let Dion fight for the job. If he wins it, great. If not, he can in the future.

    Dion showed promise last year and I’m hopeful he’ll turn out to be a good player. Just don’t want to over-rely on him right now. Crucial season for the Eagles.

  27. 27 Brett Smith said at 1:45 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    I miss Buckhalter.

  28. 28 Davesbeard said at 11:14 AM on April 12th, 2012:

    I was kinda hoping Sam had written this, that is all.

  29. 29 Mac said at 3:11 PM on April 12th, 2012:


  30. 30 Cliff said at 11:23 AM on April 12th, 2012:

    Turbin is one bad mama jamma.

  31. 31 D3Keith said at 4:31 AM on April 13th, 2012:

    I busted out laughing when I saw the pic of his guns.

  32. 32 GermanEagle said at 11:25 AM on April 12th, 2012:

    Somehow the thought of drafting a LB in the 2nd round is still not growing on me. Might have something to do with all the Gardners, McCoys, Cavers of the world…

  33. 33 TommyLawlor said at 11:49 AM on April 12th, 2012:

    All streaks must come to an end.

  34. 34 Brett Smith said at 12:04 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    This is a pretty long streak… I don’t see it ending on Andy’s watch.

    You left out James Darling.

    Maybe we take one in the 3rd and get something like a Trot…

  35. 35 GermanEagle said at 12:17 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    …or like a Bryan Smith?! Or King Gocong?!

  36. 36 Brett Smith said at 12:33 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    Just went through the draft history since we drafted Joyner…. we are not know for our LBs.

    And drafts are such a crap shoot… how the hell does anyone ever build a football team? I saw we had some good years were we landed 3 starters but most years you get 1 starter and 2 backups.

    And that goes for everyone not just us.

    Also looking at the Modrak drafts 2000 – 2001 was a disaster.

    Looking back 1998 was a good draft. 2002 was a good draft.

  37. 37 D3Keith said at 4:33 AM on April 13th, 2012:

    “And that goes for everyone not just us.”

    I wish more people would remember this. You can criticize one team all you want, but most teams have drafts full of failures. And the teams that kill in the draft for a few years in a row often win championships (Hi Packers, Giants)

  38. 38 iskar36 said at 3:51 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    Since Bwest, the eagles have been awful in the third round.

  39. 39 Donald Kalinowski said at 12:35 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    Well we did have Stewart Bradley who was an all-pro prior to his injury.

  40. 40 Brett Smith said at 1:46 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    3rd rounder like Trotter. We are worried about 2nd round LB prospects or 3rd round DE mistakes.

  41. 41 D3Keith said at 4:36 AM on April 13th, 2012:

    Stewart Bradley was never an all-pro. That’s single best LB in the league as voted by the AP. I don’t even have to look that up.

    He was very promising though. Peter King really liked him in one postseason column, but that’s not the same as all-pro.

    Okay, I did look it up. SI calls Peter King’s team All-Pro. Nevermind.

    Bradley is a good counter argument to the “Eagles can’t draft LBs” argument

  42. 42 Cliff said at 11:26 AM on April 12th, 2012:

    Tannehill is really getting beaten up all day today. Did people just now discover he wasn’t Luck/RG3 or something?

    I didn’t think he was ever considered a QB that could go out there and be a solid starter from Day 1. Wasn’t he always considered a “developmental” QB? Is ESPN just getting bored without any real NFL news going on?

  43. 43 TommyLawlor said at 12:42 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    Haven’t seen ESPN. Tannehill isn’t as much of a developmental project as people make him out to be. He was a QB in HS. He switched at TAMU to get on the field. He started more games than Mark Sanchez at QB. I think Ryan needs work, but he’s not this completely raw guy that some make him out to be.

  44. 44 Brett Smith said at 1:47 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    Bigger arm more athletic than Sanchez. Also less likely to date a 17 year old or be on the cover of GQ. Or have the nickname Taco or Nacho….

  45. 45 M0rton said at 2:13 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    He’s completely raw. He’s played fewer than 20 starts in his college career.

    You simply don’t gamble on QBs with such few starts, and definitely not in the first round. The position is unlike others such as DT, or DE, or CB with which you can gamble on physical upside.

    QB is more of a craft than any other position in football. It takes more than just physical talent. A certain level of physical talent is required, but beyond that, it’s all about working on the craft of being a QB. That’s why 3-4 year starters who improved every year are the ideal picks at the position: they have already established the ability to, at the very least, work at their craft on the college level.

    Tannehill is not even a first round prospect in many draft analysts’ eyes. He would be a collossal mistake if drafted by the Eagles any higher than the 3rd round.

    If they spend pick #15 on him – or even worse – trade *up* for him, this franchise will be feeling the effects of this mistake for years. Drafting Tannehill in the first round will send the Eagles back to the Stone Age.

    If Andy wants to take a flier on him as a prospect with physical talent in, say, the 3rd round or later, it would be acceptable because a miss (which is highly likely, given Tannehill’s track record) on such a prospect wouldn’t be so damaging, but to blow a high first round pick and maybe even more (trade-up) would be just atrocious for the organization and the fans.

    Don’t buy into the hype. Ryan Tannehill is this year’s Christian Ponder / Blaine Gabbert: mediocre prospects with sketchy college production who are being rocketed up draft boards due to the extreme demand for QBs in the NFL.

  46. 46 D3Keith said at 5:02 AM on April 13th, 2012:

    You lead the league in contradicting yourself.

    You’re huge on college experience, but you’re against NFL experience. Remember when you said a QB must be able to play right away to be worth the draft pick? That it doesn’t make sense to use a high pick on a guy who doesn’t need to supplant Vick?

    And if Tannehill isn’t capable of playing, or supplanting Vick, how can it be a colossal mistake? I understand 15 could be used on someone else, but if Tannehill never takes the field, the franchise isn’t hardly going to feel the effect of missing on the pick. Not getting production out of, say, Brandon Graham hasn’t been a colossal mistake. Sucked, but doesn’t send the franchise to 3-13.

    I get it, QBs are overdrafted these days. But we’re going to have to pay a bunch to draft one pretty soon. I could go either way on Tannehill, and the important thing is getting a QB that can play no matter what you end up paying.

    As with any first-round pick, there’s a chance you don’t see an immediate — or any — return on investment. The future of this franchise doesn’t hang solely on the top pick in this draft, Tannehill or no Tannehill.

    The hyperbole in your posts make them hard to take seriously.

  47. 47 M0rton said at 4:35 PM on April 13th, 2012:

    Spending the pick on Graham instead of, say, Earl Thomas or Jason Pierre Paul actually *did* set the team back greatly.

    Had that pick been JPP or Thomas, the Eagles might have been in the playoffs last year instead of the Giants. I’m certain that if the Giants hadn’t picked JPP, they would not have gone on that Super Bowl run. And if Graham can’t contribute in the future, while Earl Thomas and JPP are perennial Pro Bowlers, the decision to pick Graham over those two cost the team greatly, if you consider the opportunity cost they paid to pass over the two more productive players. Every missed tackle by a mediocre safety could have been changed by Thomas, and every bit of lack of production from the DEs in the future could have been changed by a Pierre Paul pick.

    Every time you blow a first round pick, you are paying a high opportunity cost to select that player becuase you are missing out on players you otherwise could have had. One of those third round picks used in the Graham trade-up, for instance, could have been spent on Navarro Bowman, or Jimmy Graham. They never had that opportunity, because they targeted Graham. I already discussed how picking Graham made them forfeit the opportunity to select Thomas or Pierre Paul, as well.

    Picking a QB with a high first round pick will have a HUGE opportunity cost. You could select any number of defensive prospects who can contribute to your team, but if you pick Tannehill, you are paying the opportunity cost and you are never going to even have the chance to draft one of those players. Say there is roughly a 50% chance that a typical defensive prospect selected in the first round contributes in a positive way to your team.Due to the nature of the position, a QB picked in the first round has a much higher bust rate, especially if he is not the consensus #1 or #2 overall prospect, and he has very few college starts. You are unnec essarily gambling on a very low-payout position when you could instead be gambling on a higher-payout position (anything else, especially defense). And you don’t even *need* to get that QB this year. QB prospects come along every single year. The 2013 draft will be no different. Why blow a pick on a mediocre prospect with little college production this year when you could just wait until next year to potentially target an even better prospect?

    Also – my point wasn’t that QBs must play right away to contribute – it’s that to justify a QB pick, he must become an elite franchise caliber QB, otherwise it is a completely wasted pick. There are no in-betweens with the QB position due to the nature of the position: you either have a top-10 QB or you have next to nothing at the position. I don’t want Chad Henne. I don’t want Matt Ryan. I don’t want Mark Sanchez. I don’t want Josh Freeman. I want ELITE. And unless a QB has the physical and mental tools to be identified immediately as an elite prospect by many draft analysts, the chances are much greater than he will never be able to reach an elite level of play.

  48. 48 Cafone said at 11:42 AM on April 12th, 2012:

    If they take Bobby Wagner, I’ll be joining the horde of malcontents that claim Reid over valued him because he’s from Utah.

  49. 49 Brett Smith said at 12:01 PM on April 12th, 2012:


  50. 50 TommyLawlor said at 12:44 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    I sure hope this is a joke.

  51. 51 Brett Smith said at 1:48 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    Is Bobby Wagner a legit prospect?

    I think sometimes Andy likes the guys from Utah area…. maybe? Nothing in concrete just a feeling I get.

  52. 52 Brett Smith said at 1:59 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    After reading the post below I see what you mean. So Wagner is legit as long as we don’t reach for him?

  53. 53 GermanEagle said at 11:44 AM on April 12th, 2012:

    “There is no HARD news to report ON SAM”.

    Is there a love story going on between Sam and Tommy, eh?!?! 😉

  54. 54 Donald Kalinowski said at 12:38 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    They’ve been disagreeing on issues for the past year. The makeup sex was probably glorious. It was long overdue.

  55. 55 D3FB said at 8:47 AM on April 13th, 2012:

    I just laughed and threw up simultaneously. Bravo sir, Bravo.

  56. 56 GermanEagle said at 11:57 AM on April 12th, 2012:

    Since the buzz is starting to heat up re a very talented CB with character issues:

    Do you think the Eagles will roll the dice on Janoris Jenkins in the second round? He’s appparently got RS skills, and judging from his physical attributes and combine results he also seems to be a good slot corner. So what’s your take re Jenkins, Tommy?!

  57. 57 Donald Kalinowski said at 12:40 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    When did he become a 2nd round target? I can’t imagine GB, NE, or DET passing up on him.

  58. 58 TommyLawlor said at 12:45 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    I pass. Stood next to him at the Senior Bowl and listened to him doing interviews. I just didn’t get good vibes. Not my cup of tea. Dude can play, though.

  59. 59 JRO91 said at 12:22 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    Can Turbin play UT?

  60. 60 Donald Kalinowski said at 12:42 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    I was thinking NT

  61. 61 TommyLawlor said at 12:45 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    He’s more of a NT.

  62. 62 JRO91 said at 12:36 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    I am starting to warm up to the trade back and get Fleener train. See if we can’t get a 2nd or a 3rd out of someone who wants to move up from the 20’s to 15. You now could address a ton of areas. With Fleener you have a red zone/slot threat, you could use a 2nd on Lavote David or Wagner for SAM, your your other 2nd on Boykin and upgrade slot corner and RS. Say you now have two 3rds. Get Wolfe for your UT and BPA with your other 3rd (Cam Johnson?), or maybe a RB or OL depth. I am all about Luke, but something tells me with Andy’s history on LB’s if Fletcher Cox is gone along with the top corners, they are trading back and getting a special “toy” for Big Red and MM in Fleener. I think those two are pitching tents walking around NovaCare thinking what they could do with a double tight (Celek/Fleener) two wide (Jackson/Maclin) set!!!

  63. 63 Eric Weaver said at 1:23 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    I should have put the “trade back for Fleener” idea in writing months ago. 🙁

  64. 64 ian_no_2 said at 1:48 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    Part of rooting for the Eagles is feeling secure Reid won’t draft a TE unless he falls to at least the 2nd. It took a while to teach Celek to block

  65. 65 JRO91 said at 4:33 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    I don’t think Fleener would be asked to block that much. I think they would use him more like Dallas Clark or Chris Cooley. Celek will be you primary TE. Heck they might even list Fleener as a WR and carry Harbor/Celek as their TEs.

  66. 66 TommyLawlor said at 12:38 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    Zach Brown / Bobby Wagner … watch these videos:

    Wagner –

    Brown – bad in bowl game –
    Brown – vs LOU –

    Here’s the thing. Zach is the better player in space. He covers really well. That said, he’s not as good in space as he needs to be. He misses too many tackles. He is sloppy at times with his angles and positioning. He’s not a great space player.

    When in traffic…Brown becomes a shoulder player. He takes on blocks with his shoulder. He tackles with his shoulder. He’s almost bracing for contact instead of attacking his targets.

    Wagner will take on blockers. In the video you see him bull rush OL. He drives NFL type blockers backward. He tackles well. He sticks his nose in traffic. He isn’t hesitant about contact at all.

    The reason Brown has gone down is that people have watched more and more of his tape. The more you see, the more frustrated you get. He has the physical skills to be a 1st rounder. Even then, he wasn’t as good at the Combine as expected. His workout numbers didn’t blow anyone away. Demario Davis had a more impressive overall workout.

    Zach is talented, but his lack of physicality is troubling. You have to keep him off the ball and let him be a space LB. That’s not how we use our OLBs anymore. The Eagles may still covet his cover skills and take him, but there will be concerns with him from all 32 teams. LBs that aren’t tough and physical can’t help but make you nervous.

  67. 67 D3Keith said at 5:05 AM on April 13th, 2012:

    Finally a term for my tackling as a D-III corner. “a shoulder player”

  68. 68 D3FB said at 8:51 AM on April 13th, 2012:

    Cornerbacks: aiming for kneecaps since Pop Warner.

  69. 69 rage114 said at 8:03 AM on April 13th, 2012:

    The Eagles currently have these players on the roster. They offer nothing that Matthews and Co don’t provide already.

  70. 70 Anders Jensen said at 10:05 AM on April 13th, 2012:

    Wagner seems like a better tackler then any LB not named Ryans on the Eagles roster. My favorite in the 1st round is still Kuechly (There should be no way Cox gets to us)

  71. 71 Thunder_lips said at 12:58 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    Open to Asante staring at himself in a mirror:

    “You know my reputation. Twenty-three picks in three years is a tough load, I don’t treat you gently. That’s right: I’m Asante Samuel. So I’m gonna be nice and I’m gonna ask you one more time. Where the fuck is the respect? I am a star. I’m a star, I’m a star. I’m a star. I’m a star, I’m a big bright shining star.”

    E.L.O.’s “Livin Thing” begins to fade in. Asate does a little karate shadow boxing. Roll credits.

  72. 72 Mac said at 3:32 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    Nailed it!

  73. 73 Thunder_lips said at 4:33 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    I tell ya, at this point, even Rodney Dangerfield thinks Asante is going too far with the “no respect” shtick.

    Take my corner back… PLEASE!

    Thank you, thank you. I’m here all week.

  74. 74 TommyLawlor said at 4:47 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    Entertaining as always.

  75. 75 Thunder_lips said at 12:58 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    Open to Asante staring at himself in a mirror:

    “You know my reputation. Twenty-three picks in three years is a tough load, I don’t treat you gently. That’s right: I’m Asante Samuel. So I’m gonna be nice and I’m gonna ask you one more time. Where the fuck is the respect? I am a star. I’m a star, I’m a star. I’m a star. I’m a star, I’m a big bright shining star.”

    E.L.O.’s “Livin Thing” begins to fade in. Asate does a little karate shadow boxing. Roll credits.

  76. 76 ChaosOnion said at 1:23 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    Tommy, I may have missed it, but what is your read on Mychal Kendricks? I like the versatility he showed at CAL playing inside and outside, had 100+ tackles, 4 sacks and 2 INTs in 2011and won 2011 PAC-12 Def POY. (I think this means something playing in a conference with a USC defense coached by Monte Kiffin.) He looks like a pretty good tackler and a great athlete, making player on special teams as a Freshman and Sophomore. His combine numbers were awesome. I am not sure about coverage ability (even with the two INTs), but he has the speed to run down field with a TE.

    So, is he an average LB propped up by combine numbers? He is 5’11”, 240 lbs. Is he too short? He only has 250 career tackles. I see him projected to the 2-3rd, which would be a great place for the Eagles to pick up another LB.

    (Disclaimer: I never really thought the Eagles would draft a LB in the 1st, so I started looking at the 2nd-3rd round guys. Kendricks is my draft crush.)

  77. 77 JRO91 said at 1:41 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    Tommy – What is your take on the skill level drop-off between Luke and say Lavonte David/Wagner? Is it worth throwing a 15 at Luke as opposed to trading back adding picks and grabbing David/Wagner at the beginning of the 2nd round? I am in full agreement that Luke is a special talent, but if he is going to sit at SAM for several years before taking over the middle, is it worth it to take him at 15? Or would it truly make more sense to trade back and grab a unique talent in Fleener, or Trent Cole’s eventual replacement in Curry? And then grab a top flight true “SAM” with a 2nd? I keep going back and forth, worrying that if we pass on Luke, we will regret it. With adding Demeco, we made passing on Luke a little easier. The Eagles offense broke records over the past few years, but the glaring hole all those years was once they got inside the 20. Adding someone like Fleener could drastically change that. He would be a nightmare for OLB/Safetys to cover, and imagine a slot corner like Joselio trying to press him at the line. PLus, he would open up a lot of holes for Celek too, (who Vick really warmed up to late last year. If we ran that TE screen that Celek runs with Fleener he’s taking it to the house. They aren’t catching him from behind. I saw someones post about teams like the Browns and Pats having two firsts and may be willing to sell one of them. Both those teams are also very friendly with the Eagles. Just a lot of options for the Eagles….I think Andy and MM are starring at Fleener and just drooling. Just curious……

  78. 78 ian_no_2 said at 1:52 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    Dre has a sworn affidavit, darn it! What’s Bowles and Castillo around for if they can’t mentor a little. Janoris Jenkins is right up there at the top as a shutdown, but I agree he can’t cover if he’s in the cell next to Aqib Talib. At least with Jenkins you’d have more helpers at the wives’ charity events.

  79. 79 TommyLawlor said at 4:46 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    Now that is some funny stuff.

  80. 80 Donald Kalinowski said at 1:57 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    Whatever happened to Leodis McKelvin and Patrick Peterson? Weren’t they supposed to be great “can’t miss” corners? When is the last time a top 10 drafted CB has lived up to his hype?

  81. 81 ACViking said at 2:16 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    Here’s a list of CBs taken in the Top 5 (even more “elite”) since 1988.

    With the exception of Dixon and Westbrook, all these guys had pretty good to great careers — save Peterson, who’s just a 2nd-year guy.

    1988: Rickey Dixon – CB, #5 CIN
    1989: Deion Sanders – CB, #5 ATL
    1991: Bruce Pickens – CB, #3 ATL
    1992: Terrell Buckley – CB, #5 GB
    1997: Shawn Springs – CB, #3 SEA
    Bryant Westbrook – CB, #5 DET
    1998: Charles Woodson – CB, #4 OAK
    2002: Quentin Jammer – CB, #5 SD
    2003: Terrence Newman – CB, #5 DAL
    2011: Patrick Peterson – CB, #5 AZ

  82. 82 Donald Kalinowski said at 3:44 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    I can’t speak for anyone prior to 1998, but most of these guys were labeled as shutdown corners during the draft.

  83. 83 Thunder_lips said at 2:22 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    Joe Haden has been solid to great. (7th overall in 2010). Also, Peterson made the Pro-Bowl as a rookie (as a returner).

  84. 84 Eric Weaver said at 10:50 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    Cornerback also has a track record of rookies up to even year two guys not making much of an immediate impact.

  85. 85 Bebin Abraham said at 2:06 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    I’ve been a big fan of “Turbine”..I love the way he runs and he has pass catching abilities…how is his blocking and what rd do you think he gets taken?

  86. 86 ian_no_2 said at 3:24 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    He will probably be on the board at 88 and may be on the board at 114. Considered a good blocker (he ought to be). ACL discount. Andy sees blocking, receiving, short yardage.

  87. 87 Ben Hert said at 11:42 AM on April 13th, 2012:

    Hahahaha ACL discount.

  88. 88 Michael Riccardi said at 4:18 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    Good riddance to Laws, a complete and utter bust.

  89. 89 Steve H said at 6:12 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    Hey Tommy 2 off-topic questions, I noticed over on SNB that you talked about Coples possibly sliding, do you think if he’s on the board at 15 that he has to be our pick or are there enough questions about him that he’s not a lock?

    Also on the topic of cornerbacks, back when Darelle Revis was drafted I remember the Jets actually had to trade up to get him at I believe pick 15 or 16, which means that a whole mess of teams passed Revis up. Obviously we know now that he’s one of the most dominant corners the game has seen in a long time and teams would drool to have him, but what was it about Revis that made him slide in that draft? I recall there wasn’t a ton of pre-draft hype on him, with a lot of people rating him in the 20’s. How do so many people miss on someone like Revis? It seems hard to believe that with the intensity of scouting nowadays that someone as absurdly good as Revis could slide by so many teams. What was it that kept him from being a top 5 pick?

  90. 90 Baloophi said at 11:10 PM on April 12th, 2012:

    Turbin has a pretty compelling personal story if anyone is interested. Seems like an A+ character guy.

    Lost a sister to multiple sclerosis, his other sister has cerebral palsy and is confined to a wheelchair, and his older, heroin-addicted brother was shot and killed three weeks before the combine. His high school coach thought he was lazy because he was always late to practice until he learned that Robert was running home to greet his sister from the school bus and take care of her before another family member got home.

    No mention of whether he can pass block, but I’m definitely pulling for this guy…

  91. 91 GermanEagle said at 5:28 AM on April 13th, 2012:

    An AFC college scout told Breer that he doesn’t believe Jenkins is a bad guy. But he still would want no part of Jenkins in the first round of the draft.

    “He’s not a bad person,” said the scout. “He just makes a lot of dumb, dumb mistakes. He just smokes and [HAS SEX], and that’s essentially what it is. … And there’s just awful decision-making associated with that. I don’t think he’s a bad person. But he has a lot of soul-searching to do.


    I can understand that teams taking him off their board for smoking weed, but what’s wrong with having sex though?!?!

  92. 92 ChaosOnion said at 8:50 AM on April 13th, 2012:

    He does not rap it up. Four kids with three different women. Who would want to introduce the kind of pain into their lives associated with 3 different baby-mommas? That is just dumb. Antonio Cromartie needed an advance ($500k) from NYJ to pay back child support. Dumb.

  93. 93 GermanEagle said at 11:27 AM on April 13th, 2012:

    Yeah on that note:

    Warren Sapp was on a 45k per month payroll by NFL Network and is still broke…

  94. 94 D3FB said at 8:59 AM on April 13th, 2012:

    The not rubbering up part.

  95. 95 Arby1 said at 11:18 AM on April 13th, 2012:

    Our discussion of Bobby Wagner would not be complete without a thorough discussion of his main hobby:

  96. 96 Arby1 said at 3:55 PM on April 13th, 2012:

    We are all equally speechless….