The Season Is Not Over

Posted: November 20th, 2012 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 65 Comments »

The season is not over!!!

Before you get too riled up and start to call me delusional, I mean that literally.  The season isn’t over.  The Eagles still have 6 games to play.  So let’s talk about those 6 games.

If’ I’m Andy Reid, I tell the team that our record isn’t 3-7.  It is 0-0.  Let’s just go play each week.  Forget about the season.  Forget about the standings.  Just go play football.  This is the National Football League.  Pro football.  Act like a professional.  Take pride in yourself and your team.

Those of us on the outside want Reid to put in the young guys.  Play Foles and the other young players so we can get them reps and get an idea who is worth keeping and who isn’t.  Reid won’t have that same mentality.  Nor should he.  Reid wants to win games.  That’s how he’s coached since Day One in Philly.

The minute he says this is all about 2013, some veterans are going to check out mentally and emotionally.  I know some of you think that has already happened.  These players still play hard.  They still care.  Right now I get the feeling that they’re just frustrated.

On Sunday I was fired up for the beginning of the game.  I was yelling at the TV as passionately as ever.  By the 4th quarter, I was quiet.  That doesn’t mean I didn’t care about the Eagles.  Clearly I’m still the same lunatic.  A level of frustration and disappointment sets in and it does drain your energy and emotion.  I think the players are like that.  They’ll be fine when the Carolina game starts, but if the Eagles get down, they’ll start to think “here we go again” and that will affect their play.

I do agree that some veterans need to sit.  Darryl Tapp would hit the bench.  He hustles, but that’s it.  Give those snaps to Phillip Hunt or Vinny Curry (Geoff Mosher says he’ll be active on MNF).  Damaris Johnson is playing with Jason Avant out.  That’s a good thing.  Riley Cooper is getting more snaps.  That’s also good.  We’re already playing young OL so no need for changes up there.  I’d love to see Curtis Marsh get on the field more.  I would mix in Casey Matthews at WLB.  Let’s see how much progress he’s made.  Is he worth keeping around?  Mix David Sims in at Safety.  He was up and down vs the Saints, but showed some potential in the 2nd half.

There is a fine line between getting young players reps and just throwing them on the field.  You need the reps to be positive.  You don’t want young players developing bad habits.  You want them to be mixed in with veterans so they can learn.  That means you need the veterans to still give a damn…to play hard and do the right thing.  That’s why you have to be careful about who you sit and how you sit them.  Just because fans and the media are ready for a veteran to sit, doesn’t mean his teammates will be thrilled.  Sit too many popular guys and you can start to create friction in the locker room and on the field.

The Eagles are generally high character players so I don’t anticipate anything too crazy, but you never know.  We’ve never seen them deal with a 6-game losing streak.  Andy’s words and actions normally work.  They aren’t this year.  How will players react?

I don’t care what the Eagles final record is.  I just want something good to come of the final 6 weeks.  Let’s find out which young guys can play.  Let’s see which veterans show us something. Jason Babin played his best since the season opener on Sunday.  If he picks his game up, maybe Babin sticks around.  Is Mike Patterson worth keeping?  Will the light going on for Phillip Hunt at all?  Dallas Reynolds has shown some improvement.  Could be be worth having as a backup?  Is Jamar Chaney still alive?

While I don’t care about the Eagles record, it would be nice to see the team play one really good game.  I would prefer it against Washington or Dallas, but at this point…beggars can’t be choosers.  Just give me 3 hours on a Sunday or Monday when I can sit back and enjoy the 2012 Eagles in a big win.  Seems reasonable enough, right?

Ideally we’ll play Foles in more games, if not the rest of the way.  We do need to get a feel for whether he is the QB of the future or if he’s worth gambling on in 2013.  Sunday wasn’t pretty, but that’s okay.  The more he plays, the more we’ll find out…good or bad.  I like Nick and hope he’s the answer, but finding out he can’t play would be just as important as finding out he can. Not knowing is the outcome we don’t want.

The 2005 season fell apart on Reid and his team.  We did get a look at some young players and veterans back then.  We saw Trent Cole could play.  We found out Greg Lewis was a solid backup but had no business starting.  We found out Ryan Moats was very talented, but wasn’t a functional part of the pass game, as a blocker or receiver.  We found out Jamaal Jackson could play.  The Mike McMahon experiment was a disaster.  Fringe LBs like Mark Simoneau and Keith Adams showed that they had to be replaced.  Matt Ware failed to show much in the way of progress.  That was his final season as an Eagle.

Not all the answers we’re going to get are going to be positive.  That’s okay.  Again, the key thing is to find out who’s worth keeping and who isn’t.  That’s about the best we can realistically hope for in the final 6 games of this horrible season.

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NFL Gimpy posted a new MAQB column.  He’s got some good thoughts on young and veteran QBs in there.  Gimp also has some good nuggets on hot receivers for the Jaguars and the ice cold kicker in GB.

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Jimmy Bama and I recorded a podcast that started out as a review of the WAS game.  Then we started to talk about 1998 and I went on an Irving Fryar rant for 10 mins.  He was so good in ’96 and ’97.  We covered all kinds of things.  Should be a fun, interesting show…beyond the initial depression over Sunday’s performance.


65 Comments on “The Season Is Not Over”

  1. 1 austinfan said at 12:51 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    Basically, if I’m Lurie, I tell Reid his job for the rest of the season is to prepare for the next HC by finding out who can play, not to win meaningless games. Now as you pointed out, trying to win is part of this, but what do you gain by playing Vick over Foles, Tapp over Curry, etc.?

    Babin had a good game because he was matched against a RT who has no business starting for a NFL team. He’s gone because his style of play doesn’t fit a conventional 4-3, and Washburn is gone. Cole may stay only because of dead money, watching him is like watching Fuller’s last season, there’s nothing left in the tank, he’s a step slow and overcommitting on every play.

    Patterson on the other hand is playing better as he gets into shape, and I think is making a good case as the mentor for the young DTs. They’ll probably only keep one of the three veteran DTs, and he seems to be the best bet. I would keep Jenkins over Landri just based on size.

    Jordan isn’t a starting WLB, makes zero plays, get Matthews out there and let him cut himself along with Chaney, but at least give him a chance.

    Sims should play ahead of Coleman, I think Coleman is partially a victim of circumstances, but you have to play the scheme they put you in and he has been steadily regressing.

    It’s also time to think about both the Eagles and other teams’ practice squads. You’re building the 2013 roster. Don’t miss out on a potential player to retain a marginal veteran.

  2. 2 TommyLawlor said at 1:08 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    Polumbus was awful. Still, Babin beat Trent Williams for a sack and he’s playing well. That was a good game by Jason no matter how you slice it.

    You’re being overly harsh on Cole. He still gets lots of chip blocks, double teams and that kind of thing.

    Raiding PS’s is a good idea, but I think you wait a couple of more weeks.

  3. 3 austinfan said at 1:44 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    Cole is finished, in 10 games he has 20 tackles, 1.5 sacks, 3 stuffs – that’s marginal production for any RDE. He’s been getting chipped and double teams for five years, that’s done to any good RDE. He has a great motor but was not a natural DE athlete (self-made), I think his expiration date has arrived, you might get one more season out of him akin to Hugh’s last year off the bench (15 tackles, 3 sacks), but remember how we knew Hugh was finished? 2 tackles in two playoff games coming off a 12.5 sack season in 2002, the next season he goes to Jax, has 26 tackles, 3.5 sacks at age 32, starting 16 games. I see Cole playing one more year, off the bench, 20-25 snaps a game.

  4. 4 Kevin_aka_RC said at 10:46 AM on November 21st, 2012:

    Sadly, I agree with this 🙁

  5. 5 Skeptic_Eagle said at 1:18 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    Wait a second, I’m confused. We’re talking about the precipitous drop in form of a probowler who has just turned 30, dropping 2 of the vet DT’s, starting a waiver wire pickup at free safety, letting drafted players see the field so they can cut themselves, and raiding other teams practice squads to build the 2013 roster, and this team has “plenty of talent”? Hmmm…

  6. 6 TommyLawlor said at 1:25 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    Are you talking to me or A-fan?

  7. 7 Skeptic_Eagle said at 1:36 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    Actually, I’d be interested to see a response from either, but it was addressed to A-fan–I cited the moves he was advocating. It seems to me that the logic falls down here. Sure, a PS player might contribute here and there, but which of the top teams in the NFL are raiding multiple practice squads to try and build their next year’s roster? Seems to me, that kind of practice on a large scale is indicative of a lack of talent.

  8. 8 austinfan said at 1:36 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    You’re in rebuild mode now, problem is you don’t know who you’re rebuilding the roster for, so evaluation and being opportunistic is the key.

    I pointed out weeks ago that there is going to be a purge of the roster, they’ll move this year’s cap over, but getting rid of Vick, Bell, Dunlap, Jenkins, Babin, Tapp, Landri, Aso will not only make this roster younger, it will free up around $40M. But that will be done with the new HC on board.

    Al Harris was a waiver wire pickup, Bubba Miller was a UDFA, Chad Lewis was a waiver wire pickup, Hollis Thomas was a UDFA, all key players when Reid turned this team around in two years from a 3-13 squad in 1998 to a playoff team in 2000. You find talent everywhere, maybe Sims is a diamond in the rough, maybe Menkin is a future pro bowl OG, maybe they’ll be on the street in a year. Get them on the field and find out how they look against real competition. Kelly is a good example, he’s not a NFL OG, but he may be a starting NFL RT, a few more starts and we’ll have a better read on him. If he can grow into the position (literally, he’s only 22 and will probably fill out to 330 lbs), maybe Herremans competes with Watkins for the RG job next year.

    The over 30 high priced veterans who didn’t perform are on the way out the door, but there are plenty of young players waiting for their audition, if you dump Aso and DRC, can Marsh and Boykin step in and what system would they be best suited to play? Is Matthews a flop or could he play WLB? Might as well find out. Are Curry and Graham your future DEs? Is Cooper your big WR and D Johnson your slot WR? Some of the answers will be negative, some positive, but you’d rather have some real game film for the new HC than have him make judgments off exhibition game film.

  9. 9 Skeptic_Eagle said at 1:50 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    OK, I think you make some very cogent points. There have been players picked off of practice squads that have contributed, etc. I also agree that the Eagles are in “rebuild” mode. But I guess my question is, you don’t see the contradiction there between your earlier point about there being “plenty of talent” on the team, and what you’ve just described? At which spots is there genuine, unquestioned talent? It looks like a roster loaded with “over 30 high priced veterans” on their way out, and “young players waiting for their audition”–which are relatively unknown.

    Seems to me, you have a small known quantity of good (McCoy, Ryans, Cox, M. Patterson, Mathis, D.Jackson), a lot of young unknowns that we’d like to get a sense of, and bad (players presumably judged to be worth signing or drafting by the same talent evaluators that have produced the current crop of “unknowns”). The toughest thing for me is the uncertainty at QB. SF can win without a top QB, but they are generally the exception to the rule, and we have nowhere near their defensive or OL talent.

  10. 10 austinfan said at 3:44 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    They can dump the veterans and field a pretty good team, depending on whether Foles can play QB. Now they’ll have a high series of draft picks (not just the 1st, but the 2nd rd pick will be 35-40, 3rd rd 65-70). And they’ll have a lot of cap room to sign a couple younger FAs Reid turned it around in 1999-2000 with basically six players, McNabb (who didn’t become a top QB until 2003), Welbourn (4th rd), Runyan (FA), Simon (#6), Emmons (FA), D Moore (4th rd). A lot of the guys inherited from Rhodes were “marginal,” Trotter only dressed for 8 games as a rookie, Whiting was a college DE learning to play LDE, Miller was a UDFA C, etc.

    QB: Foles – biggest question mark
    RB: McCoy/Brown
    WR: DeSean, Maclin, Cooper, D Johnson
    TE: Celek, Harbor
    OL: Peters – Mathis – Kelce – Watkins/Menkin – Kelly/Herremans
    DL: Curry – Cox – Patterson – Graham, Cole, Thornton
    LB: Kendricks – Ryans – ???
    CB: ???, ???, Boykin, Marsh
    S: Allen, Coleman/Sims

    What we don’t know is what systems will be installed and how players will fit them, example, McGlynn and Justice are the best OL in Indy, we let them go. Teo has stepped in for TB. Don’t assume young players on the roster who are struggling right now won’t be able to play better for a different HC with different schemes. That’s going to be the wildcard next year – how the current players fit with the new HC.

  11. 11 Anders said at 4:30 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    You could add DRC at CB and Matthews at LB (he is a good downhill player in space)

  12. 12 Skeptic_Eagle said at 5:14 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    We may be talking past each other a bit here.

    Posting that list does nothing to prove to me there is more talent besides the players I mentioned as being talented. Besides the question mark characters you typed, I see a lot of question marks. Foles. Peters. Kelce. Curry. Marsh. Allen. Coleman. Sims. Watkins. Menkins. Kelly.

    Some other guys are somewhat known quantities, but generally moribund, like Celek, Maclin, Cooper, D. Johnson.

    Saying that all these players that are struggling now *might* not struggle in a new system is a little abstract for me, considering we have no idea what kind of system will be installed/how they’d fit. Also, I’ve been watching some of these guys struggle for quite some time. Until proven otherwise, I can’t help but think they are just not talented.

    Referencing the 6 key free agents Reid brought in during the early part of the decade doesn’t prove that there is any more talent on the team right now. I’ll admit with smart moves, improving the team through FA is another *possibility*.

    I would say that right now, this team may not stack up favorably–talent for talent–with the Kansas City Chiefs. Maybe on par with the Jaguars.

  13. 13 austinfan said at 7:21 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    Actually, KC is like SF, they’ve been stockpiling high picks for almost a decade, waiting for a real coach to show up.

    Eagles have more talent than Jax or Oakland or most of the basket cases out there, how often do you see a team turn it around in one season – because the talent is there but it required a new HC to figure out how to use it, which players to keep and which players to replace.

    Right now everyone is on suicide watch, but I’ve seen good Eagle teams and bad Eagle teams, this is a far more talented team than the one Vermeil took over, or the one Kotite left behind him (though Braham deserves a lot of the blame) or the one Reid inherited.

    And there are guys who are going to surprise, my sleeper has been Menkin from the day they snagged him, Div III, needs a year in the weight room, but watching him in preseason, he held his own at LT (which won’t be where he’ll play, but shows his athleticism). You don’t need a dozen of these guys, just a few, a couple SFAs, a couple free agents, 3 draft picks, a couple UDFAs. Suddenly you’ve added a dozen players competing for starting and top backup jobs, and it’s a completely different team in 2013. For example, imagine the difference on STs if we added two young fast young LBs who attack like Anderson, instead of jokers like Rolle and Chaney.

    The key comes down to the choice of HC, some guys come in and are able to see what’s on the roster and how to use them, others don’t have a clue and mechanically churn players and never get them to mesh with the new schemes.

    One reason I want a HC who’s a 4-3 DL, zone blocking guy is to maintain continuity – if you go 3-4, man blocking you’re looking at a 2-3 year rebuild, and if the new HC doesn’t work out, you’d better get someone with a similar philosophy who can execute it better or you’ll end up on the scheme changing roller coaster that mire teams into mediocrity. We’ve already seen that going from Jenkins to Washburn, Juan to Mudd, we changed our personnel, dumped some decent players, and ended up with confusion.

  14. 14 Kristopher Cebula said at 3:57 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    i don’t think a battle at right guard between herremans and watkins would be much of a competition

  15. 15 bdbd20 said at 1:31 PM on November 20th, 2012:


    Do you think AR will put Vick back in once he is healthy? Or is this just talk to keep the pressure off of Foles?

  16. 16 TommyLawlor said at 2:32 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    Depends. If Foles really struggles in CAR, Vick might be the starter after that. If Foles has a promising start, maybe he keeps the job.

    I get the feeling Reid would like Vick to get at least one more shot to start,this year, but it needs to make sense.

  17. 17 P_P_K said at 2:19 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    Well, Tommy, you hooked me with the title because the season IS over based on the goals the team started with at the beginning. You’re right that the remainder of the games can be useful to evaluate and develop talent. But this renders the team into a sort of pre-season mode. The young guys will get a chance to show their stuff and prepare for their future. I wouldn’t be surprised if many of the veterans, however, have a different attitude. They will want to avoid injury and will be thinking about their future with a different team or under a different coach.

    Shady went down with that horrific concussion for no good reason at all. I hope he’ll hide in the bathroom the next time Andy wants to put him in such a stupid situation. I can only imagine Vick is tired of getting beat on, and I can’t imagine either of our starting receivers willing to risk very much. I see this team dissolving into a set of personal objectives without anyone really commited to the team or the coach. We can beat Carolina on Mon night (we better or the boos will rock the planet off its axis), and then we’ll likely finish 4-12.

  18. 18 shah8 said at 2:31 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    I really don’t want to see more Foles. I expect there will be more people with me next Tuesday. Remember, he was horrid against a extremely marginal secondary who’s covering more territory for the extra pass rush. I already know what I’ve got in Foles. Didn’t look like Colin yesterday, or like Webb two years ago, and he clearly does not look like starter material.

  19. 19 tag1555 said at 2:51 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    A little early for drawing any conclusions, wouldn’t you say? Especially in light of our history:
    Randall’s first start (1985): 14-34, 211 yds, 0 TDs, 4 INTs
    McNabb’s first start (1999): 8-21, 60 yds
    and on the opposite side,
    Hoying’s first start (1997): 26-38, 276 yds

  20. 20 Cal Setar said at 2:53 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    So…Trent Edwards, then?

  21. 21 shah8 said at 3:44 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    I’d rather see Bryce Brown do the wildcat, darn near literally.

    I remember Trent Edwards.

    Just want a real starting QB back.

  22. 22 Kristopher Cebula said at 3:50 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    do we have one of those right now?

  23. 23 P_P_K said at 3:44 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    Foles may not pan out, but the guy has only had one pro start. Too early to draw conclusions. Let’s revisit this on Tuesday.

  24. 24 shah8 said at 3:58 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    Also to tag1555:

    You could put my dead grandmother out there, and she’d have a quarterback rating one point less than Foles, IIRC.

    It’s not the stats I care about. My reason why I don’t want to see Foles is that he is transparently incapable of handling important aspects of the job. Not doing them badly, can’t do it at any sort of starting QB level, looking at him in play.

    And of course, like I’ve said before…NOTHING gets nastier in a fanbase than when physically incapable young guys play QB. You have idiots screaming how this cute lil fella just deserves chance after chance after repeatedly faceplanting (with a few okay outings), while the folks that know anything are pulling their hair out at all the bad plays, and all the couldas shouldas wouldas during the games. Then screaming right back. A year or two of this stuff until the owner gives up or the GM/coach and his golden boy are both fired. Anti-Folesism is pure self-defense. At the very least, relatively high standards are important.

    People just shouldn’t get chance after chance just because they’re young and need to play it out. SF handled it right. They got a QB physically capable of doing the job. With a good history of exceptional play and memorable games–and seemingly level-headed. Then they took a year and more to get him in some kind of refined shape to play the game at a reasonable level. Of course, last night, the OL was the biggest genuine stars, they were awesome, and any QB would have been…at least okay. But Kaerpaternick looked GREAT. He’s the sort of young player who’s obviously worthy of “oh hey, it’s a bad game, he’ll work it out”, because he’s obviously talented enough to be a reasonably safe investment in time, energy, and lost games.

  25. 25 A_T_G said at 4:09 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    So, what do you propose as a better alternative to prepare the team for 2013? We all know that two of the guys aren’t the answer, right? You, at least, are sure of the third guy. So, what course of action are you endorsing?

  26. 26 tag1555 said at 4:15 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    Kaepernick is in the middle of his 2nd year, so that’s a bit of an apples-to-oranges comparison. Also, put him behind our current OL and I guarantee he looks a lot more like Foles has to date.

    It sounds like you are going with “gut reaction” more than anything else, which differs from person to person; that’s why stats are more important. To me, Foles looks exactly how you’d expect a rookie making his first starts behind a porous OL to look. With decent protection in the preseason, he actually looked more capable of running the offense than Vick did. I want to see him in more action before jumping to any conclusions.

  27. 27 Anders said at 4:32 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    Also in the pre seaon, the OL didnt commit a ton of penalties and the receivers caught the ball instead of dropping them

  28. 28 P_P_K said at 4:39 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    “People just shouldn’t get chance after chance just because they’re young and need to play it out. ”

    I agree with you. I’m just saying that he only got the chance, not the chance after.

  29. 29 the guy said at 6:29 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    We missed you, Morton.

  30. 30 BC1968 said at 11:14 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    we already know what we have with vick too

  31. 31 eagles2zc said at 2:35 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    For players, the last six games definitely shouldn’t be meaningless. So many positions are up for grabs come next season, especially in the secondary.

    NA is gone unless he shows he can turn into Woodson 2.0. DRC started strong but has faded down the stretch. If he continues to give lackluster efforts for the remaining games, then I don’t want him back. I hope Marsh and Hughes can step up and show some potential.
    The safeties has struggled in the run-support-first mentality of the wide 9 system and might thrive in a different scheme next year, especially Allen. But new bloods are needed to challenge them for the starting job next summer

  32. 32 quest4fire said at 3:40 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    To win the next 6 games, Vick needs to be the starter because of swiss cheese o-line. Foles is gonna get killed and regress.

  33. 33 Anirudh Jangalapalli said at 3:49 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    Not sure if this has made the rounds yet but I know we’re all looking for the right way to express our frustration:

  34. 34 Matt Hoover said at 12:31 AM on November 21st, 2012:

    OMG thats awesome

  35. 35 GFF said at 4:27 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    “Again, the key thing is to find out who’s worth keeping and who isn’t.” FInal 6 games of 2012 = first 6 preseason games of 2013 but without the coaches in house. Weird.

  36. 36 ACViking said at 5:17 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    Re: 0-0


    Sound advice . . . release the pressure and tell the team we’re 0-0 and just go play football.

    My question is, do you think Reid’s already played the 0-0 card?

  37. 37 TommyLawlor said at 6:13 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    I wonder. He’s never been through anything quite like this so I have no idea what he’s done. His “don’t panic” style always made sense in the past. The team didn’t fall out of the playoff race. This is very different. Not sure what you say here. I realize the team was 4-8 last year, but they had a mix of good wins,so-so games, and bad losses. This year there are no real impressive wins. 2012 Eagles are very weird.

  38. 38 Jason_E said at 1:08 AM on November 21st, 2012:

    We were also still in the playof hunt until the Giants beat the Jets in week 16.

  39. 39 Matthew Verhoog said at 11:46 AM on November 21st, 2012:


  40. 40 mhrinda said at 5:55 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    Sorry Tommy I want the young guys in and a high draft pick at the end. 3 – 13 is ok for me.

  41. 41 TommyLawlor said at 6:15 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    Might want to re-read what I said. I don’t care about the record. Reason not to throw all the young guys in there is because you want them to get useful reps. We’ve seen teams play meaningless games in 2004, 2006, and 2010 (had nothing to gain so starters were rested). Players didn’t gain much. Must be mixed in with starters and the game has to be played to win. That’s the environment that will help young players learn.

  42. 42 mhrinda said at 6:54 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    Sorry for the double post– I am on a cell phone and I thought it was going to post under your reply. I understand what you are trying to say but … Tommy are you joking? The young players have to get as far away from these losers as possible. Young players need to just play and a good draft pick is better than the illusion of good football we all experienced at the end of last season. Time to look forward to the new era.

  43. 43 Matt Hoover said at 12:33 AM on November 21st, 2012:

    What I did disagree with was the comment were already going young on the oline? Sorry Dallas Reynolds is not a young gun, id rather play Matt Tennant at Center and Instead of King Dunlap id rather see Nate Menkin get a chance.

  44. 44 mhrinda said at 6:42 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    Tommy are you joking? The young players have to get as far away from these losers as possible. Young players need to just play and a good draft pick is better than the illusion of good football we all experienced at the end of last season. Time to look forward to the new era.

  45. 45 dislikedisqus said at 9:50 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    The season may not be over but it’s time to start posting some draft reviews so we can have some hope!

  46. 46 47_Ronin said at 2:35 PM on November 21st, 2012:

    With this Eagles season such a disappointment, I had to start reviewing players. I’m intrigued with the SS from Georgia, Shawn Williams. Good player started on SPT early, stepped in as a LB when a starter was injured, named a captain. He doesn’t get the press as FS Rambo. But looking at Georgia there are a lot players on D that look like they could transition to the NFL.

    The big issue though is trying to determine the Eagles biggest position need –QB, OT, DE, SS?

  47. 47 dislikedisqus said at 5:55 PM on November 21st, 2012:

    those are the needs but probably QB is not going to be fixed in the draft. Foles is probably as good as Barkley.

  48. 48 NoDecaf said at 9:56 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    “The season is not over” – by my NFL desk calendar, I am unable to refute said logic! lmao!

  49. 49 BC1968 said at 11:21 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    I heard rob ellis ask a question, should lurie step in if reid goes back to vick? It would only be fair if hes keeping reid for next year or he fires him immediately. Why would it be fair for reid to groom a qb for someone else? I wanted to call but instead just posted

  50. 50 colin02 said at 11:23 PM on November 20th, 2012:

    Your last two posts have been truly excellent. Thanks for not letting a sucky season affect your performance. If only there were nfl blogger fantasy football. You’d be my sleeper/ringer. (here ends gushing.)
    Like every eagles fan, i couldnt be more disappointed (utterly irate), but…I took a big step back at about halftime of the Saints game. That allowed me to go back and watch the Skins game after the fact w/ virtually no emotions. How crazy am I to suggest we were the better team in the field?! Now, pls understand everyone: i’m not saying we weren’t soundly beat. The Skins made plays, especially RG3, but I didn’t see a Skins advantage in effort nor talent – with one big exception, which is the lack of talent/focus/feck of our disastrous OL. And then you have to look at the turnovers. The confidence-crushing timing of the Celek gift INT. The INT DRC couldn’t hold onto. The fumbles we lost, the fumbles the Skins recovered. The hail Mary pass to Moss. The blatant missed holding calls, etc. (just in case you thought I was above making excuses)
    Here’s my point: Imagine yourself an impartial observer: Is it possible this franchise isn’t as bad as 3-7 (and the NFC’s worst pt diff.) would suggest, rather it’s facing a perfect storm of injuries + bad luck?

  51. 51 SteveH said at 2:09 AM on November 21st, 2012:

    Sigh, you know whats amazingly depressing? If not for one really clumsy Cleveland linebacker we’d be 2-8 right now.

  52. 52 Julescat said at 12:15 PM on November 21st, 2012:

    or if the Giants had a better FG kicker we would be 1 – 9 right now.

  53. 53 Ark87 said at 4:07 PM on November 21st, 2012:

    One could argue if not for one clumsy tight end we would be 5-5 right now. Senseless to play this game. If x person did or did not do y then z. We can make up a whole alternative universe. Can’t get depressed over non-realities. Can’t comfort yourselves with non-realities either (when you spin it the other way). Reality is depressing enough as is with this team. Stick with that.

  54. 54 GermanEagle said at 2:45 AM on November 21st, 2012:

    Despite the season’s not being over, I’m already in full ‘get D. Bowe or die trying’ mode for the upcoming free agency! He would be the physical presence at WR the eagles have been lacking for years, and Maclin could move to the slot where he had one of his best games as an eagle..

    Bowe = Fryar! You read it here first!!!

  55. 55 austinfan said at 2:12 PM on November 21st, 2012:

    I dunno, seen him drop a lot of passes over the years.

    He’ll be 29 next year, how many top seasons does he have left?
    Nor is he a TD maker, one big season in 6 years.

    He’d help, but is he the best use of resources.
    I’m a defense first guy, build a great defense, they have enough offensive fire power if they find a QB and fix the OL (get everyone healthy). But I don’t want Foles trying to win shoot outs anytime soon.

  56. 56 Ark87 said at 2:45 PM on November 21st, 2012:

    I’m pretty much done with aging big name free agents for a good long time. The good ones are going to be hotly contended and will be grossly overpaid to actually land them here. Fill some holes in the roster for short term with FA. See if you find some gems (like Evan Mathis). Too many Ray Edwards and Nnamdi Asomugha’s out there lately.

  57. 57 Ben Hert said at 8:33 AM on November 21st, 2012:

    I was having a discussion at work with some people and I wanted to get the thoughts of you guys:

    In the NFL today, who is the model franchise, from a performance, not a financial, standpoint, and why? Giants? Patriots? Packers? Falcons? Steelers? 49er’s? Texans? Jets?

    Edit: And more importantly, what things from that franchise would you like to see incorporated into the Eagles?

    Another interesting thing to consider, is who do you think it will be 5 years from now? I have been thinking the Colts are going to be a team to be reckoned with in a few years. Grigson has done a good thing, and Pagano/Arians have really gotten the most out of everything they’ve got (Winston Justice anyone?)

  58. 58 austinfan said at 2:10 PM on November 21st, 2012:

    Model franchise, NE, but how much is Brady, how much is Belichick?
    GB would have to be up there, GM driven franchise.
    Steelers, but again, if LeBeau finally retires, are they the same?
    Saints, is it Payton, is it Brees?

    No one else, 49ers, Texans, check back in 5 years, Jets, you’re kidding, right? Falcons, let them win a playoff game, Reid got to 5 NFCCGs.

  59. 59 PhillyBirds said at 10:01 AM on November 21st, 2012:

    Jason Babin is the epitome of everything I dislike about this team. I know he put up good numbers last year, but the closer he got to Reggie’s record the more I was actively rooting against him to break it. I want his name nowhere in the Eagle history books. To me, he’s the most unlikable player on one of the most unlikable Eagle teams, hell Philadelphia teams, in my lifetime.

    His name just conjures up memories of the wide 9, the Dream Team Free Agents, and Jim Washburn. What’s the similarity between all of these things? They were all over hyped and under delivered. I’m not going to act like the guy is a scrub, but he’s a one trick pony. He either figured out his one trick too late in his career, or people picked up on it too fast.

    We desperately need a culture change on this team, Tommy. The delusion I heard from the D-Line week after week when we weren’t getting sacks or much pressure made me realize just how little most of these guys “get it”. When Andy goes I hope him and his buddy Jim Washburn are two of the first out the door behind him.

  60. 60 PhillyBirds said at 10:06 AM on November 21st, 2012:

    And I know this came off as a bit of a rant, and that you’re not particularly fond of uneducated rants, but I seriously can’t stand the guy. I am like you and try to find silver linings during this season of misery, but if there’s one thing that gets me to lose my cool and perspective, it’s Jason Babin.

  61. 61 scott_mather said at 11:34 AM on November 21st, 2012:

    I’m with you. It’s frustrating week in and week out to see him run right past a running back who’s either carrying the ball or going out for a screen pass, only because he’s solely focused on the QB. I understand Washburn’s philosophy is QB-first, but QB-only seems to be the way Babin plays. He seems to have little awareness when it comes to anything outside of chasing the passer.

    I love what AR has done for this team, but the past few seasons combined have gotten me to the point to where I’m almost giddy thinking about a new coaching staff. I want to get back to the ways of having a defense that keeps OCs up late and offensive playcalling that doesn’t try to outsmart itself. And competent special teams play.

  62. 62 Mac said at 10:25 AM on November 21st, 2012:

    Thinking about O-linemen a bit.

    Are the Atlanta Falcons 9-1 with this o-line?

    Lamar Holmes-Justin Blalock-?no center available on roster?-Philipkeith Manley-Mike Johnson

    I looked for a bit and couldn’t even find a backup center on their practice squad, though I suspect they have one. Maybe one of their OGs takes that role (in this scenario their backup center is also gone because he is their starting RG).

  63. 63 Ark87 said at 10:52 AM on November 21st, 2012:

    If you are a player or coach, all you have left to play for at this point is pride. The coaching staff is gone after this season. There is no “evaluation” to be made. Anybody that doesn’t have the pride to play all 16 games with 110%, we don’t need. That’s the only evaluation I care about for the moment. Everybody in the nfl has the talent to be a gem in the right system with the right coaching and high motivation.

    So let them play to whatever ends they earn I say. Let the next coaching staff do evaluations once his system is in place.

  64. 64 Julescat said at 12:18 PM on November 21st, 2012:

    veterans are playing not to get hurt so they can stick some new sucker owner with their huge contracts and piss poor attitudes.

  65. 65 H_Manders said at 2:31 PM on November 21st, 2012:

    Listening to the Podcast…

    Honestly, I am surprised that Jimmy had confidence in a positive outcome until the 3rd play of the game. Mine was gone after the second – it was Groundhog Day all over again already at that point…


    I agree to some extent with your conundrum… but other than ‘hey, player X or Y is still playing or has quit’ what can you say?

    Honestly I feel this team is such a mess in just about every respect that it is almost impossible to properly evaluate the players… I mean, players are not performing, play calling often seems to be somewhere between shaky and outright atrocious, execution as well… I mean, if a player is not making himself look bad, he has team mates doing it for him…

    The only thing I am sure about right now: McCoy should be shelved for the rest of the season.