Some Draft Q&A

Posted: January 25th, 2014 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 137 Comments »

Today’s Senior Bowl discussion generated lots of questions. Let me try to answer a few.

Compare Dee Ford to other recent pass rushers. Some of you want to compare him to Brandon Graham. Not a good comparison. Graham was a better prospect than Ford. We use a lot of revisionist history with Graham. He hasn’t panned out as hoped, but he was a terrific prospect. Graham led the nation in TFLs as a Senior. He then went to Mobile and dominated the Senior Bowl. He then had a good showing at the Combine. Brandon Graham deserved to be a high pick. He was coveted by a slew of teams.

We talk about him as undersized, but that’s not a great label. He was 6-1, 268. He was short by an inch. That’s it. One inch taller and he was the same size as Trent Cole. Graham didn’t have the arm length to make up for his short build. I do think that has affected him in the NFL. But obviously the biggest hindrance to this point was his ACL tear and microfracture surgery.

What about Ford vs Bruce Irvin, a 1st rounder from last year. Irvin is 6-3, 245. Ford is 6-2, 243. Those numbers are almost identical, but the bodies are very different. Irvin is a former WR. He is a sleek speed rusher. Ford has some thickness to him. His thighs are huge, which helps him generate the strength to be an effective power rusher.

Dee Ford should probably go in the 20 to 40 range. He had a very good Senior season (10.5 sacks, 2 FFs). He looked great in the Senior Bowl practices. He was the MVP of the game. And he’s got some personality to him. He is reportedly interviewing well.

I still have no clue if the Eagles will be interested. They won’t casually dismiss him. I guarantee you there will be some interesting discussions about him and how he’d fit at ROLB.

What about Trent Murphy as a fit for the Eagles?  I get this every few days. Murphy plays OLB for Stanford, but he is a limited athlete. I don’t think he’s got the explosion to be the ROLB. I don’t think he has the cover skills to be the LOLB. You could see about bulking him up for DE, but Murphy is 6-6, 261. He’d need to add 25 pounds to be 3-4 DE size.

Murphy is a great college player, but not a great pro prospect. He’s not even a good pro prospect. Some 4-3 team will give him a shot at DE. I’d love to see him end up with Lovie Smith (TB) or Rod Marinelli (DAL). Those guys put a premium on effort and would be a great fit for Murphy’s motor. I think Murphy has a major uphill battle to make it in the NFL. I hope he proves me wrong.

Should the Eagles have interest in Aaron Donald?  Jimmy Bama paid the ultimate compliment to Donald when we were sitting in the stands and watching practice. “I sure hope he doesn’t go to Dallas.” We agreed that it would be ideal to see Donald drafted by an AFC team. He is a flat out terrific player.

That said, fit is crucial. You only take him if you have a specific plan for how to use him. And as good as Donald is, I’m not sure he’s a guy you build your defense around. I love Donald as a prospect, but I have no interest in him for the Eagles 2-gap system. If we move to the 4-3 Under, I’m open to taking him. I just don’t think that’s going to happen. Chip wants a 3-4 team that mixes in some hybrid looks. You don’t spend 1st round picks on guys for that.

Would it make sense for the Eagles to take Lamarcus Joyner as a S when he’s played so much as a CB or in the box?  We’ve already discussed the size issue so we’ll set that aside for now. I love Joyner as a prospect and think it would be great to see him in Eagles green. He is a terrific player and big time playmaker. Joyner is tough as nails and plays with incredible confidence. Put his spirit into Daniel McCullers’ body and you’d have the #1 overall pick. Wouldn’t even be close.

Joyner played back more in his Junior season. This year he played close to the LOS most of the time. He excelled in both areas. Joyner can hit and tackle. He has good cover skills. He has good hands. I haven’t seen him play centerfielder a lot, but he’s fine when patrolling the deep zone. He closes to the ball and can be an impact hitter in space. I think Calvin Pryor is the only Safety I’d take over him.

Kyle Van Noy showed good cover skills as a Senior and down in Mobile. Any chance he could play Safety?  No. Van Noy is versatile, but he’s an OLB or ILB. You don’t want him chasing WRs 40 yards downfield.

QB update? I still have no interest in Logan Thomas as a QB. None. Not as a 6th rounder. Not as a UDFA. Might as well spend time trying to turn Jimmy Bama into a ballet dancer. Tajh Boyd did nothing to help his cause today. Mid-round guy. I might have interest in the 4th round. There is hope for him. The South QBs all had some good moments. Impressive trio.

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I’ll write a Senior Bowl review tomorrow. The Eagles should be happy. Lots of defensive players looked good.


137 Comments on “Some Draft Q&A”

  1. 1 Weapon Y said at 10:43 PM on January 25th, 2014:

    It seems like OLB, Safety, and Cornerback are the three biggest priorities in that order. Which player from each position performed the best?

  2. 2 Maggie said at 12:21 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    Corner?? Wide Receiver, Safety, OLB, ST, a pass rusher somewhere, then draft backups for corner, and OL. Of course there will be some surprises.

  3. 3 GEAGLE said at 1:16 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Wouldn’t expect you to know that OLB IS THE PASSRUSHER

  4. 4 Maggie said at 3:36 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Accidentally upvoted. Yes and so are the front 3, or on some plays, front 4. On all-out blitzes, so are the DBs. A very good pass rusher could be playing anywhere on the defense. What the heck, in the old days the CENTER played on the D line and rushed the passer. Does Chuck Bednarik ring a bell? If they could get away with it, the team could put Mike Vick out there to blitz. After all, he tries to block on running plays, lol.

  5. 5 Mitchell said at 10:48 PM on January 25th, 2014:

    Telvin Smith looked like he was on a good amount of plays today. Too bad he doesn’t want to play safety…. Baptiste was also had a couple good pass break ups today and I really like how he drove on a shallow cross today. McGill will be 25 in march but that kid looks like he can ball too. Plus there is Desir who had a pick today and finally the kid from Auburn looked impressive today as well. He also had a pick along with Loston who had the gimme pick, but as Tommy posted previously. At least he made it. Looking forward to the review Tommy.

  6. 6 Baloophi said at 2:21 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    The kid from Auburn is Chris Davis, Jr. Hero of the Iron Bowl. Goat of the BCS Championship.

    For what it’s worth, his pick in the Senior Bowl came after a double-clutch from Stephen Morris. But yes, he stepped in front and caught it.

    Having watched him all season, I don’t think I can go to the mat for him. He’s inconsistent from a coverage standpoint, physical (which can be good, but is more often bad at the next level), prefers heaving his body at receivers vs. wrap-up tackling, and on more than one occasion was guilty of personal fouls after breaking up 3rd and long passes.

    Oddly, on that last point, I wouldn’t call him a hothead or anything, but on occasion seemed to have little game situation awareness. BCS game: decided to field a punt after it had bounced four times and with 6 FSU guys around him; PI on WR who was diving to catch a terribly thrown pass in the end zone on 3rd and 8 with 20 seconds left in the game. Hard to fault him too much with so much on the line, but then lined up against Kelvin Benjamin at the 1 yard line and gave him an enormous cushion, and you know the rest. Maybe he was told to do that?

    I will say he’s tough… or at least returns to the field after getting banged up… so maybe he’s just easily banged up? Ugh… that makes me think of Maclin.

  7. 7 Maggie said at 3:37 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    “heaving his body” made me laugh out loud.

  8. 8 Joe Minx said at 10:53 PM on January 25th, 2014:

    FWIW I completely agree about Logan Thomas. You’d be amazed at the number of scouts I’ve read talk about him like he’s some kind of unbelievable talent though.

  9. 9 TommyLawlor said at 11:38 PM on January 25th, 2014:

    People fall in love with his body and physical potential. I get that. But he’s a QB prospect and having the right body isn’t enough.

  10. 10 A_T_G said at 7:16 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    I empathize with Logan. Speaking from personal experience, it really is a curse to go through life being treated that way by everyone you meet.

    What about our minds? What about our hopes and fears and dreams? We have minds inside these bodies, you know?

  11. 11 Dave said at 11:01 PM on January 25th, 2014:

    Tommy, just curious, but where would you rank Barkley (if he were coming out this year vs last year) to this year’s crop of QBs?

  12. 12 TommyLawlor said at 11:37 PM on January 25th, 2014:

    Good question. After Bridgewater, Manziel and Bortles. Carr too.

  13. 13 Mitchell said at 11:46 PM on January 25th, 2014:

    That deep ball by Carr was a thing of beauty.

  14. 14 shah8 said at 12:02 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    Be advised, though, the Carr is just a little too similar to his brother and to Blaine Gabbert. The one extended look I had at him was his bowl game against USC, and he was rather putrid. Carr doesn’t have a natural feel for the game–all of it, that is, and if you get in his face, he crumbles. He is also not a great deep passer, especially given his natural arm strength. All in all, I probably would rather have Boyd or Morris over Carr, in the sense that I don’t think Carr has game, despite his obvious ability to pass.

  15. 15 mksp said at 12:15 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    you have to be just trolling here, right?

    boyd, MAYBE. Maybe if he wasn’t 6’0″ and maybe if he could throw the ball with ANY amount of accuracy. I was high on him coming into the season, but he’s been inaccurate and tentative all year, and thats with some pretty good weapons.

    Morris will be lucky to get drafted.

  16. 16 shah8 said at 12:21 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    Why would you think I’m trolling? Who would you rather trust to move the ball, Blaine Gabbert or Denard Robinson?

  17. 17 deg0ey said at 8:23 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    Frankly, if those are my options, I’d punt on first down, try to pin the other team deep and hope the D can get a pick 6. More effective than either of those guys.

  18. 18 mksp said at 12:53 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    If you just said Boyd, I wouldn’t think so. But Morris is just so, so, so bad.

    And doesn’t have half of the athleticism of Denard Robinson.

  19. 19 D3FB said at 12:22 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    I’d actually have to go with shah on this. Carr absolutely shit’s his pants under any amount of pressure. Yes he has a rocket arm, but I just don’t see anyone being able to fix his absolute fear of pressure. He’s more afraid of that than Tommy is of a prohibition on PBR and pudding and Megan Fox becoming a citizen of France. It’s not just USC that he struggled with. When people started hyping him up midseason I went and watched the SDSU game. Jesus. It’s bad. Really, really bad.

  20. 20 Mitchell said at 12:46 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    You can’t agree with him, you just can’t. More so out of principle than anything.

  21. 21 A Roy said at 5:27 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    One up.

  22. 22 Insomniac said at 12:02 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    What about Ford vs Attaochu?

  23. 23 James Adair said at 8:45 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Ford, by three lengths.

  24. 24 ACViking said at 1:13 AM on January 26th, 2014:


    Fantastic material. Better than anyplace else on the web. With all due respect to Jimmy ‘Bama.

    Can’t imagine what being an Eagles fan would be like without your posts. Just fantastic

  25. 25 GvilleEagleFan said at 1:55 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    Can’t underrate Tommy’s straight answers when he has enough info to make an educated statement. Shockingly rare trait in sports journalism these days. Just converted one of my best friends to the midnight green, and having such a great resource to turn him on to has really helped seal the deal. Keep up the great work.

  26. 26 Sean said at 1:31 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    As Eagles fans, we’ve had to deal with plenty of draft busts over the years, but it’s still important to make distinctions. Brandon Graham had all the makings of a really good pass rusher. (The fact that Earl Thomas has gone on to become a superstar should have no real bearing on the evaluation of BG). That pick is entirely different from the selection of Danny Watkins, the result of which you could’ve foreseen pretty easily at the time.

  27. 27 deg0ey said at 7:35 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    People have been asking about Van Noy as a safety? That’s crazy. If you wanna draft a guy in the tail end of the first round to be a hybrid LB/S, surely Shazier is the obvious choice.

  28. 28 GEAGLE said at 8:06 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    Telvin the FSU LB could move to safety

  29. 29 deg0ey said at 8:27 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    I agree that Telvin is probably a guy to transfer to safety, but he’s smaller and slower than Shazier, so I’d still prefer him if we went with a hybrid thing. Van Noy, on the other hand, is a guy I have no interest in at all.

  30. 30 GEAGLE said at 8:30 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    Would love him eventually replacing Meco..I just don’t know that he can rush the passer well enough at OLB to be on our roster for a few years before Meco moves on

  31. 31 Anders said at 6:11 AM on January 27th, 2014:

    Right now Christian Jones is my preferred ILB target.

  32. 32 Mitchell said at 8:43 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    Dnt worry, when we trade back in the first we will have an extra second round pick to get Van Noy for you.

  33. 33 GEAGLE said at 8:53 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    Dunno man…with the run on QBs and OTs in the top 20, we could find a serious prospect on the board at 22…but I’m never opposed to more picks 🙂

  34. 34 Mitchell said at 9:05 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    With the depth in this draft, can you imagine somehow acquiring 3 picks in the 3rd. Ladler, McGill, Loston….. BOOM

  35. 35 GEAGLE said at 1:14 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Yeah man, which is why I’m gonna be jealous of the Patriots. You know they will send Mallet to the texans for the first pick in round two…

    Think Atlanta is trading up for Clowney, and Minnesota and Cleveland will fight over who gets to trade up for Manziel. Rams and Texans will laugh, pick up a bunch of extra picks,move back and draft the two OTs,Mathews and the kid from Auburn

  36. 36 Anders said at 1:15 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Mallet is not worth more than a 3rd at max

  37. 37 GEAGLE said at 1:19 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    QBs are inflated…and if he is worth a second to anyone it would be Obrien…but I would take the 3rd all day if that’s the best offer
    You know new coaches who aquired veteran QBs last year will look to draft a young QB this year..expecting Arizona and KC to take a QB in the first 3 rounds…Could see Andy wanting Fales

  38. 38 Anders said at 1:23 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    yea, but what has Mallet ever shown? A few pre season passes? Of course BOB knows him better than most, but I really doubt they give up more than a 2nd at most.

  39. 39 theycallmerob said at 1:02 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    safety? heck no. but ILB? I think that’s possible for him

  40. 40 Brendan Keeler said at 8:07 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    You are such an enigma. You obviously have great scouting and football analysis skills, but you form sentences like a fifth grader.

  41. 41 GEAGLE said at 8:25 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    Who gives a shit?

  42. 42 Mitchell said at 8:41 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    Who is he talking about?

  43. 43 GEAGLE said at 8:51 AM on January 26th, 2014:


  44. 44 Mitchell said at 8:58 AM on January 26th, 2014:


  45. 45 A Roy said at 1:10 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    I believe the appropriate phrase would be WGAF.

  46. 46 GEAGLE said at 1:11 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    The proper phrase would be stop acting like a snotty cunt..but it was early so I figured I’d tone it down 🙂

  47. 47 A Roy said at 1:15 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    On his profile, there are only 4 comments, so either he’s been banned under a different name or he just graduated the 5th grade and understands the curriculum.

  48. 48 GEAGLE said at 1:20 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Tom has never banned anyone..Tom isn’t bitch made Ike most of the other pussies

  49. 49 Baloophi said at 1:34 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Mom? Are you posting under the name GEAGLE again?

  50. 50 GEAGLE said at 1:39 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Yup…now get off your computer and go shovel my driveway son

  51. 51 Mitchell said at 9:03 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    You’re drunk. Go home.

  52. 52 TommyLawlor said at 10:16 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    I’ve got a 4th grade education so I’ll take that as a compliment.

  53. 53 Rambler said at 10:55 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    I would take it as a compliment too. Forming sentences be hard.

  54. 54 A Roy said at 1:09 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Tommy rights to the level his audyence unnerstans.

  55. 55 SteveH said at 1:47 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    It’s because Applachan State Learnt him good.

  56. 56 GEAGLE said at 8:09 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    I love Joyner, but I would hate to draft him as our starting safety next to Wolff. Much rather have Pryor or Buchanon….but say we were to pull off the coup and bring the Byrd to the nest, I would draft Joyner in a heartbeat. Joyner/Wolff/Byrd give us a mean 3 safety look, and we would even be able to implement a dime defense in our toolbox(which is rare in today’s NFL)..jOyner can play Dime CB, and Byrd is the all world safety you need to play Dime

  57. 57 Jean Souza said at 8:11 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    Forget Byrd. The Eagles will not pay big bucks in FA – DRC and Aso ghosts.

  58. 58 GEAGLE said at 8:15 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    Blah blah…you have no intel to say that

  59. 59 GEAGLE said at 8:28 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    Front load the first two or three years to make it comperable to what the raiders are offering…if we handle our business this offseason, we won’t be major players in next years market, and we will just lock up our guys Longterm…If the raiders offer him 44, we offer him 41…and let’s see him sign with oakland

  60. 60 holeplug said at 10:50 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    Byrd is 100% getting tagged if Bills don’t work out a long term deal.

  61. 61 GEAGLE said at 1:08 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Hahahaha yeah ok…so he can sit out another 5 games, milk his injury another few weeks, still get named to a bro bowl and have to go thru this all again next year? Not gonna happen. Much better chance that Ward gets tagged…Byrd will go ape shit if they tag him again

  62. 62 Anders said at 1:09 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Also Bills wouldnt give him 8 per year, but they are forced to give him 120% of last years salary, so why would they tag him for over 8 mill now?

  63. 63 GEAGLE said at 1:10 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    No shot in hell… Just silly talk..

  64. 64 holeplug said at 7:02 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    He would make $8.2 million this year if they tag him.

  65. 65 Anders said at 6:10 AM on January 27th, 2014:

    So they are not tagging consider they wouldnt pay him 8 mill last year

  66. 66 holeplug said at 7:05 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    They will tag and trade him if a long term extension can’t be worked out. They did the same thing with Peerless Price a couple years back when they couldn’t agree on a contract and tagged and traded him to Atlanta for a 1st round pick.

  67. 67 cliff henny said at 10:58 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    nope, 1 contract, going on 4 yrs ago has howie and jeffy boy playing with scurrrred money. think howie is kid in candy shop, thanks to foles. he opened a ton of cap space in ’14 and ’15 thinking a strong possibility Eagles would need to leverage top part of next 2 drafts to get kelly a qb. use cap space to sign mid tier around that 25-27 age range to build team while grooming rookie qb. which was 100% smart in ’13. sure they talked about foles being ’14 qb, but no one saw 29tds/2ints. foles being foles changes freaking everything. not only might they have found a qb, but saved 2 or 3 1st rd picks, probably couple of 2nds.

  68. 68 GEAGLE said at 1:21 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Yeah people are friggin retarded to keep mentioning nnamdi

  69. 69 Sean said at 11:00 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    Why does everyone seem to remember DRC as a free agent? THEY GOT HIM BACK IN THE KOLB DEAL!!!

  70. 70 Baloophi said at 1:15 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    I think we associate the word “free” with him since that’s how you’d best describe the receivers he was supposed to cover.

  71. 71 A Roy said at 1:16 PM on January 26th, 2014:


  72. 72 GEAGLE said at 1:23 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    I don’t even blame DRC…I blame the joke coaches we had in place that let the inmates run the asylum…you don’t see DRC stinking it up in Denver…but I prefer the big physical corners who will tackle

  73. 73 Anders said at 1:24 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    What about blaming DRC for having a terrible attitude? DRC did the same crap in Arizona, played great when he had a HOF QB winning games, but when they began losing, he didnt want to play.

  74. 74 GEAGLE said at 1:26 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Certainly don’t condone it…but those issues were KNOWN..when you decide to bring him in, I expect you to be able to manage him

  75. 75 Anders said at 1:31 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    true, but we didnt expect the team to be 4-12, but like 12-4.

  76. 76 Baloophi said at 1:30 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Must avoid rabbit hole…

    Which would actually be a good nickname for the secondary that year.

  77. 77 Anders said at 12:27 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    So we shouldnt draft a safety in the 2nd round because of Jarrett?
    What about the ghost of Samuel and Jon Runyan? Also DRC was a trade not a FA.

  78. 78 HazletonEagle said at 10:09 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    Thing about Byrd, or Ward, or any of the top free agents is, we really dont have much cap space this year to re-sign some of our own and then go find new players. I suspect that they will approach free agency much the same as they did last year with a few more lower priced guys who can challenge some starters. Because if we sign someone with a name, he will be the only FA we can afford.

  79. 79 cliff henny said at 10:44 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    21m under as they stand today. there’s 3 or 4 players that have high cap figures like peters, jax and ryans, that could use 2 or 3 yr extension and reduce cap numbers-save 8-10m. then have the tweeners, extend (or restructure-whichever) or move on from like celek, casey, chung and avant (not advocating either way, just options), another 5-10m here, easily. cutting Benn, 1m. eagles could go hog wild, spend every drop, which they wont, because next off-season cole, herremanns, grahan and williams come off books, this opens 18.5m. if really need money, Barwin can be moved, he’d clear another 4.5m.
    say what you want about Banner-it’s official, god does hate cleveland, but howie learned from the best. not even sure Jerry Jones taking over for 2 yrs could mess up cap. well, maybe not that far, i’m still enjoying articles about extending kicker 7yrs and going from 28m over to 31m over.

  80. 80 GEAGLE said at 1:47 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Don’t you dare even think bout moving Barwin lol

  81. 81 GEAGLE said at 1:27 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    If WE don’t have cap space, then who the hell does?

  82. 82 Anders said at 1:28 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    About to say that. We have plenty cap and can even add 10 mill more very easy.

  83. 83 GEAGLE said at 1:35 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    We can get up to around 35mil in cap space by restructuring a few guys(extending the years, or giving them there money up front)..Like Demeco, you can pay that man up front, knowing you can count on him to still do the right thing after he gets his money

  84. 84 A Roy said at 1:39 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Gotta save room (with carryover) for when FOles gets that big contract. We have several others who are all going to come due at the same time. I don’t break the bank for Byrd.

  85. 85 GEAGLE said at 1:42 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Lol signing Byrd isn’t keeping us from signing our payers in two years…so we carried over all that money to do nothing? Lol just keep letting Jeffry get away with pocketing 10 mil from the cap.
    People are nuts if Yous think we won’t ever be adding any impact players

  86. 86 theycallmerob said at 1:52 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Who, besides Foles, is due for a monster contract? I can’t see even Cox getting more than 6-7 against the cap. May be low-balling that a little bit, but Ced, Kelce, and Kendricks aren’t set to break the bank. Boykin wil do ok, but always slightly limited if not a full-time starter.
    Having to sign Foles to a big contract will be a great problem to have if that’s the discussion we’re having after ’14.

  87. 87 Anders said at 1:56 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Also we can use the 5th year option on Cox and get him cheap. Ced will get 3-4 mill, Kelce will get the same. Kendricks with another play making season might make 6 mill. Boykin will get 6 mill and Foles will not get more than 15 mill imo.

    Still by that time big contracts like Peters, Ryans and Williams will be off or they will be cut. We have over 50 mill in cap space in 2015 before carry overs and potential cap raise.

  88. 88 theycallmerob said at 2:02 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    beautifully said, thanks

  89. 89 A Roy said at 2:51 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    How much are you spending on a healthy Maclin in 2015? How much are you paying Cooper to keep him? I can’t see spending 8M on a safety, even with the increased emphasis on the position in the modern era.

  90. 90 Anders said at 3:12 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Im not paying Cooper and I hope we get a long term with Maclin in the 6-8 mill range already now.

  91. 91 A Roy said at 3:21 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    I bet they give Cooper something in the 2.5-3.5 range. Maclin’ going to want at least 8. Dunno if anyone will want him for that, though.

  92. 92 Anders said at 4:01 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    I doubt Maclin makes 8 mill unless he goes off next year, that is why I hope to buy low for 6 years already.

    Like 6 years 40 mill with 10 mill in guaranteed with some nice escalators so he might earn more after 2-3 years if he becomes what we think he can do.

  93. 93 A Roy said at 4:21 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    If he goes off, it’d be worth it. Think Kelly wants one of these big 6’2″, 215 WRs, though

  94. 94 Anders said at 4:23 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Who knows, he never really had one at Oregon and he never really recruited one.

  95. 95 James Adair said at 8:56 PM on January 26th, 2014:


  96. 96 A Roy said at 2:47 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    The going rate for a franchise QB these days is upwards of $20M. Even if Foles gets/takes/is worth 15, that sucks up quite a bit. All the guys we brought in in 2012 and 2013 are going to want substantial raises at some point.

  97. 97 theycallmerob said at 3:03 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    The only 4 guys getting 20+ are Rodgers, Ryan, Flacco, and Brees; 3 of those 4 have a ring. Foles is not seeing that contract without a ring, and paythemanwhathewants if that’s the case next year.
    Even the 15+ contracts are pretty absurd, but at least built on a long history of success (Stafford, Romo, Cutler, Eli).

    I still think he’ll be in the guarantee/cap range of 12-15 per year, based on another great season in ’14. I trust Howie enough to know we’re not signing him to a contract that hurts the team.

  98. 98 A Roy said at 3:19 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    I hope they can get him that cheaply if he continues as he did this year…within reasonable expectations, of course.

    Brady’s cap number is over 20M, so he’s gotta be close, even after restructuring. Manning’s at 19+. Yes, they’re both HOF. Shaub and Rivers are over 15. And I’ll bet SF resigns Kapaernick to something over 15, too. Rapelisburger is almost 15.

    By 2015, half the QBs in the league will be over 15M

  99. 99 HazletonEagle said at 8:48 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Im not sure who does. I havent looked around the league. Just looking at ours. This year we wont have much.

  100. 100 planetx1971 said at 10:51 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    Please try to forgive me fellas for this shameless tactic in advance ok? I’ve been trying & trying to find someone who may have taped the CHI-PHI game in all it’s splendid glory. I didn’t get to see it (the horror)
    So I’ve launched a campaign to try & find a sympathetic fellow birds fan that would be willing to send me a copy. So far the all the advice I’ve gotten is to use NFL rewind, which of course I have no access to. Strictly use my phone for internet amongst other issues. I have taped games throughout the years but I missed that bratty as well as the Lions game.I CAN’T be the only guy that tapes em. IAM aware the NFL forbids buying & selling games w/out permission. But if anyone can do this for me, have no fear, things will wok out 🙂 So, if their is someone who would or could help me out, PLEASE hit me @ I’d be giddy as a schoolgirl! Sorry Tommy to post this her, I’m desperate brother! And this site has without QUESTION the highest collective IQ on all the Eagles message boards

  101. 101 Neil said at 12:00 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Sign up here and you can download it via torrent.

    If you need a torrent tracker, google utorrent. If you really have no idea how to do torrents, reply and I’ll try to give you the rundown.

  102. 102 GEAGLE said at 1:28 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    I live off of Utorrent and Piratebay…..have every eagles game this year on DVD

  103. 103 ACViking said at 11:00 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    Re: Dee Ford – SEC Premium in His Draft Grade?

    Conventional wisdom holds that the SEC is the closest thing to an NFL minor league. Seems as though, in recent years, the SEC produces the more 1st-Rd picks than any other big-time conference.

    So I wonder if draft evaluators — like T-Law — add any sort of premium to the grade of guys like Auburn OLB Dee Ford.

    For what it’s worth, looking at the All Pro Teams voted by the PFWA, PFF, TSN, and the AP . . . you have to go back to 2008 to find someone who played OT in college for an SEC team. (Jason Peters was a TE in college, not an OT.) In 2008, the Titans David Stewart, OT for UTenn, pops up on the AP All Pro team but but then fades back to obscurity. That’s 48 possible slots and just 1 SEC OT.

    Looking at the past 4 drafts, though, more OTs in Rds 1-3 came from the SEC than any other conference.

    T-Law . . . .

    A couple of questions for you.

    First, when you’re grading Ford, do you grade him any higher because he’s an SEC guy?

    Second, and more generally, what are the *specific* categories on your score sheet for grading Dee Ford . . . and any other player whom you project as an possible Rush-OLB?

  104. 104 A Roy said at 1:03 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    When it comes to college coaches recruiting HS players, they take the level of competition into account. Players who have gone up against more difficult opponents, on average, are more advanced and will become starters/stars more quickly than those who have not been challenged by (and learned from) tougher competition.

    I would expect the same thing to hold true in the pros, although to a lesser extent. There, they are not necessarily looking at the level of development, but the ceiling. The player from the SEC will probably reach his ceiling a year earlier (or even two) than, say, someone from Saginaw Valley State. So I would think it would depend on: How soon do you need the player at his peak? What IS his peak?

    If I were drafting, both of these would have numerical values, with the ceiling being more important than readiness.

  105. 105 Anders said at 1:08 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Personally I do not care as long as the player comes from a major conference or ND. SEC is not that tougher to play in than the Pac-12 and not like the ACC or big 10 is a cakewalk either

  106. 106 D3Center said at 5:35 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    There was some stat I saw last year around this time that the MAC is actually one of the top conferences in producing pro talent.

  107. 107 deg0ey said at 2:34 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Doesn’t address your question directly, but you might find this interesting

  108. 108 ACViking said at 11:13 AM on January 26th, 2014:

    Speaking of Joyner and other undersized players . . . .

    The name Seth Joyner comes to mind. Selected in the 8th Rd from UTEP by Buddy Ryan in his first draft as the Eagles’ HC. (One round ahead of DE Clyde Simmons from Western Carolina.) Joyner was a 220lb on draft day. But he had long arms and speed . . . and big wrists.

    Forgotten by some is that Ryan cut Joyner at the end of TC. But Buddy brought Ryan back after 2 games. And, by Week 10 Joyner was the Eagles starting ROLB.

    What OLB from some smaller college is out there this year who’s fast, has long-arms, has a frame to add size . . . and with a heart like Seth Joyners?

  109. 109 Anders said at 12:49 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    If we only look at the senior bowl (because that is where we got weight ins for)

    Chris Smith of Arkansas, is a pass rusher, but is only 6-2 and 266 pounds but with 34⅛ inch arms and a wing span of 82½ and had 8.5 sacks.

    The question is, is those long arms more important than an extra inch or two in height?

  110. 110 Baloophi said at 1:23 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    If his arms are long enough that he can stand on his hands then he gain that extra inch or two. He won’t be effective batting passes or anything, but if we slap him in that fly-swatter harness the sky’s the limit!

  111. 111 GEAGLE said at 1:32 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    IMO the REAL question regarding the OLB we draft is: what’s more important to Billy Davis? Adding the most disruptive edge rusher he can find(in which some DE prospects will get a long hard look) OR is it important that he maximize Disguise meaning we would want our pass rusher to also be COMPETANT dropping back in coverage, so opponents don’t know who is coming or going between Barwin and the ROLB?

  112. 112 OregonDucker said at 4:28 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    No question whatsoever, Chip wants disguise and Billy better deliver. Chip uses the same principle on defense as he does on offense, multiple looks and play confusion.

  113. 113 Anders said at 5:17 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    True but are two barwins good enough for Kelly and Davis? Or do they prefer better pass rush and then lesser disguise?

  114. 114 theycallmerob said at 12:54 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    I like DE Wynn (Richmond) and Webster (Bloomsburg), and LB Tripp (Montana). All played in EW-Shrine, and definitely NFL-capable frames.

  115. 115 Stanimal said at 6:34 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Another small school prospect to check out is Tyler Starr from South Dakota. I think he would be a good late round prospect.

    And some tape.

  116. 116 D3FB said at 2:10 AM on January 27th, 2014:

    I like Starr. I’d love to pick him up on day 3, and then let him backup Barwin. He has decent coverage skills. Ok pass rusher. Better prospect than Travis Long.

  117. 117 greenblood0118 said at 12:09 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Incidentally I think the biggest hindrance to Graham has been consistent playing time. Get him familiar with a system and then start him as a 4-3 DE and I think he’ll flourish.

  118. 118 A Roy said at 12:34 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Concur. He should be healthy enough at this point. I think he does need to be a 4-3 DE. Funny how careers go. Some guys fall into the right situation and flourish. Some get sidetracked with injuries. And some fall victim to constantly changing schemes. Graham hit two of these scenarios.

    You can make similar parallels to us everyday schmucks and our careers, too. It seems some people are born under a rain cloud and for some, with the same ability, are born on sunny spring days.

  119. 119 Baloophi said at 1:26 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    It’s like that phrase “luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.” Or, you know, you’re born with a lot of money or fail upward or are in the right place at the right time.

  120. 120 A Roy said at 1:38 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    I have two kids of roughly equal talent and intelligence. The one who works harder is not the one who gets ahead easily. The one who doesn’t work as hard can step in shit and come up smelling like a rose.

  121. 121 Baloophi said at 2:42 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Ouch. I hope they get along okay…

    And why is there so much shit on the floor???

  122. 122 A Roy said at 4:42 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    You must not have kids. There’s always shit on the floor.

  123. 123 Baloophi said at 6:55 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Ha! And correct.

  124. 124 suthrneagle said at 4:00 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Their names Charli and Alan?

  125. 125 Anders said at 12:36 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Graham in an attacking 4-3 as a RDE would be a 8+ sack guy imo, but he is not an OLB, he is meant to play with his hand in the dirt

  126. 126 D3Center said at 5:33 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    I wonder what the trade value on Graham would be right now? He clearly doesn’t fit the system so I’d be willing to take a third or even a fourth for him in this deep of a draft.

  127. 127 D3FB said at 2:07 AM on January 27th, 2014:

    A fifth would prolly be the most you’ll get for him. He’s only got 9.5 career sacks.

  128. 128 andy said at 2:53 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    could you imagine a safety tandem of jairus byrd and calvin pryor? 3rd and long would certainly be different.

  129. 129 Mitchell said at 3:34 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Calvin Pryor and Kenny Ladler?

  130. 130 Anders said at 4:02 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Pryor+Jimmie Ward. Ward is the best cover safety to come out in years.

  131. 131 D3Center said at 5:32 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Calvin Pryor has a lot more flaws than people realize, while he has a lot of potential he is still a work in progress.

  132. 132 Stanimal said at 6:25 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    I agree on a lot of people overrating Pryor. Watching him on film he would much rather go for the big hit than the sure tackle and quite often takes bad angles or lines up his hits wrong and misses the tackle. In two games I watched I think he made one form tackle while the rest were shoulder hits. I like his potential but that is something he needs to work and should be able to fix with the right coaching. Right now I like Bucannon better but think Pryor has more potential.

  133. 133 BobSmith77 said at 4:42 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Still rather see a skills competition with various NFL players on teams where they compete for a top prize than the Pro Bowl game.

    Looking forward more to the Kitten Bowl/Puppy Bowl respectively next week than the Pro Bowl.

  134. 134 Mitchell said at 5:48 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Can someone help me understand the skill drop off between Mack an guys like Ford and Attaucho?

  135. 135 Anders said at 9:41 AM on January 27th, 2014:

    I actually do not see such a big drop of between Mack and Attaochu consider the level of difference between the MAC and ACC

  136. 136 Insomniac said at 7:06 PM on January 26th, 2014:

    Hey Tommy. Attaochu dropped back in coverage all gameor so I was told yesterday (hard to tell with so many golden helmets on the South team). How did he look? I haven’t heard his name called all game,

  137. 137 Sean Stott said at 1:06 PM on January 27th, 2014:

    Can’t believe people’s blind spot for ILB. Bottom line, Demeco is a liability at this point. An expensive, $7mm liability.