One Man’s Trash

Posted: February 14th, 2014 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 73 Comments »

You know the old saying that one man’s trash is another man’s treasure? That is certainly the attitude of NFL fans when it comes to players on other teams getting cut. No sooner does a guy hit the street than fans start clamoring for their team to go sign him.

I don’t say this in a judgmental way. I often think the same thing. At the very least, I try to ask if the cut player would be an upgrade or if he’s worth signing.

The Lions cut Safety Louis Delmas. More than a few fans really want him. Should the Eagles? The first question you always have to ask is why the player was cut. Is he no longer good? Is the move simply being done to save money?

Per this report, the move is being done to help the cap.

The funny thing is that I didn’t feel like Detroit was very good at the Safety position with him. I would have already listed that as an area of need. The Lions are essentially saying that keeping him just wasn’t worth it. In other words…he wasn’t all that good.

Delmas is coming off the best season of his career, but the 2 previous years were ruined by injuries. He played in only 19 of 32 possible games. Even with Delmas putting up good numbers in 2013, he wasn’t anything special. He has never become the impact Safety that the Lions hoped when they drafted him. He has 6 career INTs, 5 career sacks and 2 FFs. Brian Dawkins once had a season with 4 INTs, 3 sacks and 2 FFs.

I watched a couple of games to check Delmas out. He just didn’t impress me. Delmas is a solid player, but hardly anything to get excited about. He tackles low, which can be dangerous these days. Players are so athletic they can jump over or elude guys who go for the ankles consistently. Delmas failed to land any big hits in the games I watched. There was a play where he covered a WR and the guy beat him off the line, then caught a pass and ran across and down the field for a TD. Delmas never came close to him. Delmas can play in the box or he can line up deep in Cover 2, but you can’t be overly creative with him.

The one thing I have to say in his defense is that Delmas played behind the Wide-9 a lot in recent years. We all know that scheme puts tremendous pressure on the Safeties. You do wonder if Delmas would be more comfortable and more effective in a standard scheme.

I wouldn’t be upset if the Eagles went after Delmas, but anyone who thinks he’s “the answer” is mistaken. If you had him, Earl Wolff and a draft pick, that would be a solid group.

You can argue that keeping Nate Allen might be the better way to go. He knows the scheme and has shown he fits it fairly well. Believe it or not, Allen is actually more durable than Delmas, having missed only 5 games in 4 years. Allen also would be cheaper, making him a better bargain. If Delmas was really good, he’d be worth the money. But then the Lions wouldn’t have released him in the first place.

My guess is that the Eagles don’t go after Delmas at all.

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The Saints cut S Roman Harper, DE Will Smith, ILB Jonathan Vilma and CB Jabari Greer. I don’t think the Eagles will have interest in any of these players. They are all over the age of 30 and on the downside of their careers.

73 Comments on “One Man’s Trash”

1 Vick or Nick said at 8:00 PM on February 14th, 2014:
There has to be an educated process to go about this.
There has to be a level of projection. Forget the stats for a second and examine the physical tools, mental make up and see how they fit into Davis’ scheme. Stats are often times a byproduct of the system.
The biggest thing is this:
There are teams that have a track record to letting players go at the right time almost every time: Patriots, GB, Steelers to name a few.
Getting players cut by them is normally a huge red flag. (See Pat Chung).
Other players could make it eventually. Eagles have let go of some players who went on to have success. Chris Clemons being one that comes to mind.
The biggest key is being able to project them into our scheme and of course, getting em cheap if possible.
2 anon said at 10:16 PM on February 14th, 2014:
Yeah if a team with good coaching (especially position coaching) let’s a player go, i’d be weary. Detroit doesnt seem to have that problem.
I wonder if they go DB with their first pick instead of WR. That’d be great.
3 shah8 said at 3:26 AM on February 15th, 2014:
When you look at players from dysfunctional franchises like Tampa, you got hits like Talib and Bennet, and misses like Freeman,though I doubt he’s that much of a miss, given how little we’ve seen of him.
The main success people have ever had in picking up other people’s leavings have been about bad fits, drugs, or personality issues. A Brandon Marshall eventually works out just fine. Demeco Ryans was a cap casualty (and a 3-4 transition that he still didn’t escape), but he’s been a great bandaid or better here. Injury prone people almost never works out (e.g. Kolb), and the strong likelyhood is that Delmas is a cap casualty because the Lions do not believe he’ll stay healthy in the future. Not sure what the Lions will do in the draft, given the probable new direction of the franchise, and the questions about Stafford, and invigorating the defense with a new paradigm other than wide-9.
4 ICDogg said at 5:41 AM on February 15th, 2014:
Supposedly the Lions want to re-sign Delmas at a reduced rate, as his contract calls for a 500K roster bonus and a 5.5M salary in 2014. He hit his 2013 incentives to bump him up to those numbers but the Lions do not wish to pay it.
5 Media Mike said at 6:41 AM on February 15th, 2014:
No, Freeman is a total miss. His limited intelligence and lack of willingness to work on his game renders him a poor QB.
6 kyle wilson said at 12:44 PM on February 15th, 2014:
Never one to miss an opportunity to take a shot at an “athletic” QB. There was a thread about Joe Banner and you somehow manage to interject “Scam Newton.”
Trolling? How bout trolling every thread and commenting on any mention of Newton, Kaepernick, RG3, Freeman, Boyd, Manuel…. etc..
Let me guess, none of them have the mental acuity or intelligence to play QB? Whats the term you use “scramble bum?”
Generalizations and labels are weak, lazy and mediocre. But hey, if thats all you have……my sincerest apologies.
7 Neil said at 1:52 PM on February 15th, 2014:
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8 Media Mike said at 2:39 PM on February 15th, 2014:
I’m glad you follow my work that closely.
9 Mark Sitko said at 9:04 AM on February 15th, 2014:
We didn’t cut Chris – he was a FA when we had some SOLID DEs in place and we couldn’t pay him what Seattle did – very different than the situations Tommy is talking about where a team drops a guy mid contract for $ reasons…Eagles rarely let talent walk…Dawkins of course is an example – but he was very special in that he deserved to be kept long after a regular guy…not breaking the rules for Dawk was wrong, but he would have been a big exception to keep at that age
10 Corry said at 9:36 AM on February 15th, 2014:
He wasn’t a FA. We traded him and a 4th for Darryl Tapp.
11 Weapon Y said at 8:21 PM on February 14th, 2014:
Ward sounds like the best fit. Right age, has played with Chip before, not asking for as much as Byrd is. But unfortunately, he has the best chance of being franchised. I’d rather have him than Byrd.
12 Media Mike said at 7:14 AM on February 15th, 2014:
The big question is going to be if the Eagles are willing to go 5 years / $45 – $50 million to sign him.
13 Anders said at 12:50 PM on February 15th, 2014:
I rather have Byrd because he is the 2nd best FS in the NFL. Ward is more of an all round safety, but not even close to Byrd as deep middle safety.
14 Media Mike said at 3:48 PM on February 15th, 2014:
The breakdown on 24/7 of Byrd’s ability to patrol the field and snag all weak passes was impressive. Eli, Romo, and RG3&10 all give ample opportunity for INTs. Even if the guy isn’t Byrd ultimately, getting a functional playmaker in that position would be a big plus.
15 Anders said at 6:28 PM on February 15th, 2014:
Sadly there is like two safeties in the nfl who can do what Byrd does, there is a reason he leads safeties in interceptions since 09
16 SunShine said at 6:37 PM on February 15th, 2014:
me too but damn that sumptuous price tag.
17 Anders said at 6:41 PM on February 15th, 2014:
We got the cap space and I know Roseman will only give a contract that won’t cripple us in the future
18 ACViking said at 8:57 PM on February 14th, 2014:
Re: Speaking of Trash . . . .
There was a time when the Steelers were notoriously bad at judging talent — especially at the QB position. Maybe they were the worst ever. And the Steelers’ trash became, well, HOF treasure in another city.
The first — and worst — was the Steelers decision to cut a 9th Rd pick in 1955 form Louisville named John Unitas. Instead, Pittsburgh decided to keep a jouneyman back-up named Jim Finks (Finks later became a HOF General Manager, constructing the great Vikings teams of the 70s, he laid the foundation for the great Bears teams of the mid- to late-80s, and Finks put together some great talent in New Orleans — especially at linebacker in the 3-4 defense — with a coach named Jim Mora, who led New Orleans to their first winning seasons.)
Unitas is still viewed by many (including me) as the greatest QB ever. Only three seasons after the Steelers cut him, Unitas led the Colts — in 1958 — to the first (and only) overtime win in an NFL Championship game against a very good Giants team on the road in “The Greatest Game Ever Played.” And Unitas led the Colts to a consecutive title in 1959. Then a title-game loss in 1964. A SB Title in 1970. And an AFC title loss to the Dolphins in 1971.
Second man up? HOFer Lenny Dawson. The Steelers spent a 1st Rd pick on him, 5th overall, in 1957 out of Purdue — where his QB coach was a guy named Hank Stram. After 3 seasons, the Steelers cut Dawson loose in favor of the well traveled Rudy Bukich. After a 2 seasons in Cleveland with Paul Brown, Dawson — cut again — reconnected with his old college coach.
Together Stram and Dawson won 3 AFL Championships and two SBs, including one title: 1962, 1966 (SB loss to GB), and 1969 (winning the last AFL/NFL tilt against the Vikings).
Ironically, Dawson was the QB in maybe the 2nd greatest NFL playoff game ever played — behind the Colts-Giants ’58 title game — in the ’71 playoffs against the Dolphins. It was the longest game ever played in NFL history, with the Chiefs falling to Miami in double-overtime. Both teams went up and down the field but seemed to make remarkably untimely mistakes. (A RB named Ed Podalak, who played QB at Iowa, put on the greatest 1-man show for a non-QB I’ve ever seen in the post-season. He had 85 yards rushing and a TD, 110 yards receiving and a TD, and ran returned 3 kickoffs for 154 yards — nearly breaking the last one 78 yards for a TD (but setting up HOF K Jan Stenerud for a potenial last-second game-winning 22 yard FG in regulation, which JS missed).
By the time Unitas and Dawson were in the twilight of their careers, the Steelers were about to launch their great 1970s Dynasty, with 4 SBs in 6 seasons. Led by 9 HOF players, a HOF coach, a HOF owner, and HOF GM.
19 Maggie said at 5:54 PM on February 15th, 2014:
Ah. Bradshaw, Franco, Bleier, Swan, Greene, Greenwood, Blount, L.C., The Terrible Towel, The Defense pitching FIVE shutouts in one year. Ah, the 70’s. Plus the Sound of Philadelphia in music. Now you’ve made me cry!
20 James Adair said at 12:34 AM on February 19th, 2014:
I remember that KC-Miami game, it was a great one.
21 ACViking said at 9:04 PM on February 14th, 2014:
deleted – technical problem solved
22 SteveH said at 9:13 PM on February 14th, 2014:
I wouldn’t break the bank for Delmas, but if we got him for a reasonable deal I’d be happy with the signing. My memory of him is that he is pretty good, but this might be a serious case of grass is greener syndrome.
23 Media Mike said at 7:16 AM on February 15th, 2014:
He’s better than Chung and Coleman for sure, but I remember him as a guy who gets too many 15 yard penalties.
24 Media Mike said at 6:52 AM on February 15th, 2014:
Safety is an interesting position for the Eagles. Any guy other than Byrd or Ward needs to be a player who bridges you from now until your eventual long term starter at that position takes over. Wolff – Allen – draft pick or Wolff – Delmas – draft pick might not be a bad top 3 next year at all. Tommy nailed the concerns with Delmas. I don’t want Allen here on a deal that is hard to cut (i.e. dead money due to bonus) because Allen’s lack of ability to play special teams makes him not an ideal 3rd safety.
In any case, they need to make sure they improve from Chung.
25 GEAGLE said at 9:25 AM on February 15th, 2014:
Think we will make an offer to Byrd/Ward..it won’t be the highest offer, but I don’t think we made NNamdi the highest offer either. If we can’t Land one, I think it’s going to be Malcom Jenkins. I’m actually not really a fan of his. Just thinking that’s who will apeal to the Eagles. And I’d be really surprised if we don’t sign Corey Graham to replace Colt Anderson! lead our ST, and provide depth all over our secondary. Regardless of who we sign, a safety will be drafted!!
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Really hoping we replace Chung, but I wouldn’t bet on it. replacing 4 safeties in one offseason may be a bit much. If we do have to wait a year to replace Chung, he is going to have to take a serious pay cut..the sooner we upgrade him the better
26 Media Mike said at 9:32 AM on February 15th, 2014:
We’ll see what shakes out with Byrd / Ward contracts, but I’m predicting a minimum of $9 mil / year for both of them.
27 GEAGLE said at 10:27 AM on February 15th, 2014:
If I had to bet my life on it, I damn sure wouldn’t pick Ward or Byrd as the safety the eagles will sign. I’d probably say Jenkins has the best odds of becoming an eagle..in my mind ATleast…he is also from new jersey
28 Media Mike said at 11:39 AM on February 15th, 2014:
I might say; “none of the above” and watch up play with Wolff, Allen, two draft picks, and the other kid who is on the roster right now.
29 Corry said at 9:41 AM on February 15th, 2014:
I actually like Jenkins and Chris Clemons (the Miami Safety, not the Seahawk DE). Only problem with Jenkins is that the Saints probably want him to return, especially now that Harper has been cut.
Both of those guys are mid-level players that are in the prime of their careers. Neither will wow you, but I think they’re the type of player we’re likely to see the Birds go after.
30 GEAGLE said at 10:26 AM on February 15th, 2014:
I don’t like Clemons at all…except for size and hits,,I don’t think he will apeal to us as much as a former CB turned safety like Jenkins who has almost 65 starts under his belt at the age of 26,,,Clemons is two years older, but only really has two years of major starting experience,,,..I. Just feel like Jenkins will be much higher on the Eagles wish list then Clemons…I don’t see how the saints keep Jenkins? they have to cut like 3 player just to get under the cap, then they have to cut a few other guys to make room for Jimmy Graham…they prob make Jenkins a cheap offer! that will be easy for us to outbid…I don’t think they will even have 4.5m to offer him..
31 Corry said at 1:31 PM on February 15th, 2014:
If the Saints want to keep Jenkins they’ll figure something out. Graham will be first priority, but I would imagine Jenkins will be second on the list. Most teams won’t let a 26 year old safety with a lot of starting experience to walk.
32 GEAGLE said at 5:53 PM on February 15th, 2014:
Unless the Saints extend Jimmy without using the tag on him, I fully expect Jenkins to play for a different team next year…but we will see..Never hear Donte Whitners name any more, I wonder how GMs will rank him in this safety market…
33 GEAGLE said at 8:56 AM on February 15th, 2014:
Question:
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Tom, I saw you write that Linval Joseph might be a good target for us, and I’m actually a really big fan of that kid, and I would welcome him with open arms..I just don’t see how us adding Any FA DL is realistic. Actually, I’m sure we will sign a DL, but I think it’s going to be a really cheap guy, who we can cut at the end of Camp…The only way I see is really adding a guy like Joseph is if we traded Vinny Curry, which I don’t see happening. There simply isn’t any room to be adding DL we have to guarentee roster spots to.
Locks to be on our roster next year:
Logan,Cox,Thornton..
Vinny is the question, but I would be pissed if we traded him
if We like Kruger and he is ready to make the roster, that only leaves room for 1 DLinemen…Say at some point in the draft, a DL is the highest rated guy on our board, we are going to have to draft him…well if Kruger and the draft pick are going to make the roster, then we are going to have to cut the FA we signed, unless we are going to carry 7, which I doubt..so I’m expecting the FA DL we sign to be a Clifton Gaethers type who will not excite Eagles fans..either someone who is considered a Bust, hoping a change of scenery can rejuvenate him, or another Older Soap type stop ago veteran.
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We went after RJF last offseason, but lost him to the Colts. that was going to be a 20million dollar investment..We settled on Soap, drafted Logan who played so well that he allowed us to trade away Soap..Logan went on to anchore a base defense that was borderline fantastic against the run. I think we are really high on Logan, and WANT him in the starting lineup, I also think the emergence of Logan is going to save us from investing 20mil into the DL.
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basically I think we are going to sign someone to a veteran minimum, who we can end up cutting at the end of Cam, if Kruger is going to make the roster, and we end up drafting someone like Justin Ellis
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Signing a stud like Linval Joseph means you might find yourself in a position where you have to trade away one of our young promising DL, NAND I just don’t see that happening….the only way we will sign a DL that we have to guarentee a roster spot to, is if we are planning on trading Curry, and I really hope that’s not the case
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I’m expecting us to sign:
Everson Griffin to a 3yr deal
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I’m expecting us to make an offer on Byrd, we won’t be the highest bidder, if Byrd doesn’t leave money on the table to come play for our big market contender, then I expecting us to sign Malcom Jenkins who will start and let Wolff and a kid we draft in rounds 2-5 compete for the other starting safety spot
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I will be surprised if we don’t sign Corey Graham to replace Colt Anderson, and not just because kElly Knows him from New Hampshire. Corey brings pro bowl ST, versatility being able to fill in all over your secondary, and for a guy who never really had a ral established role, he does pretty well coming away with turnovers…this isn’t the type of signing that’s supposed to excite fans! not a player that’s going to start for us. But he isn’t a Marsh type of backup who you are petrified to put on there field. We probably include CG in some sub packages…Cheap two year deal, but I’m going to be SHOCKED if Corey Graham isn’t an eagle next year, who will be a nice little upgrade to Colt Anderson
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34 Media Mike said at 9:10 AM on February 15th, 2014:
Kruger is going to be an interesting player. I’m very curious to see how much functional weight he’s added by the time we’re at the first pre-season game next year. Best case scenario we have a Brett Keisel type who can command a G/T double team and really free up the OLB on that side to cause maximum QB death. Worst case scenario, he was a late round pick, so oh well. I really liked the potential of that pick.
35 GEAGLE said at 9:16 AM on February 15th, 2014:
totally agree, Kruger was actually on most of my Eagles mocks last year. Just remember watching tape of Star and Kruger always showing up. Who knows what a beast he woulda been this year had he been playing in college. Can’t wait to get a glimpse of him In the preseason…but if the plan is that Kruger and Curry will be on the roster, we simply have no room to sign a DL who we have to guarentee a roster spot to..the DL we sign will be a Gaethers type, and the only reason we would be signing any DL is to keep us from being forced to reach for one in the draft….
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I just don’t see any realistic scenario where Curry,Kruger and a Draft pick are on the Roster, along with a 20million dollar FA…makes no sense to me.
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Basically we are going to sign DL, hoping that he won’t make our roster lol..because that would mean Curry,Kruger are progressing and we got a DL in the draft
36 Media Mike said at 9:18 AM on February 15th, 2014:
I think I’m forced to take Howie’s “we aren’t doing any big FA moves” comment at face value. I think you see Square and Geathers off of the 53 and Kruger + draft pick on it.
37 GEAGLE said at 10:22 AM on February 15th, 2014:
Totally agree. We won’t add the big names but Adding Everson Griffin and Malcom Jenkns to the defense! Corey Graham to ST and secondary depth..extending Mac and Coop isn’t a bad Free agent haul at all..
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Cleveland has two 3rds and two 4th round picks…I WANT to trade the #22 pick for Clevelnds 2nd rounder(which is top 10 in round two) and One of their 3rd and 4th round picks….so we wouldn’t have a first rounder but we would have:
Two 2nd’s to use on Marcus Smith OLB/Buchanon S
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Two 3rds: Jarvis Landry WR and a ILB
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Two 4ths another WR(Coleman,Bryant, Moncrief and a CB like Terrence Mitchell
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Two 5ths: OG and DL
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That trade might actually work for Cleveland. It would allow them to start a new regime with a splash, 3 first round picks. They wouldnt have a second rounder, but they would still have one pick left in every round…,
38 Mitchell said at 10:34 AM on February 15th, 2014:
Unless Pryor is at 22 that is, but I guess that’s assuming we get The Byrd.
39 Anders said at 1:13 PM on February 15th, 2014:
I agree, would love if we traded back.
40 GEAGLE said at 5:38 PM on February 15th, 2014:
Everyone down with the trade back better hope Carr Falls to us. I’m assuming KC would jump at the chance to have Carr fall to them, so if we is on the board when we pick, I could see the QB needy teams who didn’t pick a QB in the top 5 wanting to jump KC and trade up to snag Carr….basically the two players I’m praying to fall in the draft are Barr and Carr lol
41 Anders said at 1:50 PM on February 15th, 2014:
What have Kruger and Vinny anything to do with Linval? Linval would be NT competition for Logan.
We need 7 DLs on next years roster
Thornton, Joseph, Cox
Kruger, Logan, Curry
would be 2 great lines to rotate with Logan also been able to play DE and Thornton can play NT.
the 7th guy would most likely be a late round draft pick.
42 GEAGLE said at 5:49 PM on February 15th, 2014:
We wanted to invest 20mil in RJF last summer. I bet if we knew back then that we could count on Drafting Logan and have him play as a rookie, that we wouldn’t have been Intrested in adding RJF…basically I think Logan’s emergence saves us from investing 20mil in the Dline…I’m a defensive nut case. if it were up to me we would win every game 10-3, so I’m down to add 20million dollar beasts anywhere on the defense, I’m just not expecting any serious DL investment at all in this years FA..but like I said, I’d gladly welcome any defensive help! and I really like Linval Joseph, I just think our coaches want Logan starting, and a guy like Joseph isn’t singing on as a backup….but I’d be hype if I’m wrong and he is added…
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And if a DL is the best player on our board in round 3, I would expect us to draft him, but if the draft doesn’t fall that way, then I would expect us to fill that need in round 7…
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I’m just not that interested in this years FA market..so much more concerned with taking advantage of a deep draft and our college coaches knowing so many of the prospects that I really really need to see us add two extra picks in rounds 2-4
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If we don’t end up with Byrd/Ward, who do you think will be our safety target Anders? Thinking it’s going to be Jenkins…and I’d be surprised if Corey Graham isn’t signed to replace Colt
43 anon said at 7:04 PM on February 15th, 2014:
Imagine if we didn’t get logan — would have been a sad state of affairs.
44 Media Mike said at 9:07 AM on February 15th, 2014:
Can the person who is power-trolling all of my comments with a down vote please make themselves known?
45 A Roy said at 9:47 AM on February 15th, 2014:
Not that it’s me, but why would you care? It’s not like we’re getting graded on this. We’re just giving/reading opinions.
46 Media Mike said at 10:05 AM on February 15th, 2014:
Fair point, but it pushes my brilliance further down the page.
47 Mitchell said at 10:30 AM on February 15th, 2014:
Not if people have their comments listed oldest-newest or vise versa. We don’t have to set it on best rated comments.
48 Lewwyn said at 11:25 AM on February 15th, 2014:
I do mine by oldest
49 ICDogg said at 11:35 AM on February 15th, 2014:
Newest is better!
50 ICDogg said at 1:00 PM on February 15th, 2014:
Yeah, I notice lately that there are a few guys who get down voted multiple times for anything they write regardless of the merits of what they wrote in that particular comment. I guess people can do whatever they want, but I think that’s kind of lame.
51 GEAGLE said at 5:56 PM on February 15th, 2014:
Lol I take it as a badge of honor…congrats Mike, welcome, you have your own hater groupies.
52 bubqr said at 9:55 AM on February 15th, 2014:
Completely off-topic but:
Shady highlight video of past season: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD3RdnJcMLw
Soundtrack got me a headache, but so many good runs, so many broken ankles, and so many good blocks as well – Look at 3:56, I did not remember this block from the game, but just watch Kelce running up the field and throwing a defender on the ground. Just amazingly beautiful to watch, especially with #38 falling down just next to it.
When is week 1 again?
53 SteveH said at 1:13 PM on February 15th, 2014:
Neat vid. Some of those are just the usual ridiculous wtf Shady is elusive type runs, but I noticed an awful lot of those big hitters came when he quickly identified where the hole was opening up and he hit it up in there in a hurry. When his vision is on point is when he is at his most dangerous.
54 CrackSammich said at 3:07 PM on February 16th, 2014:
I’m not generally a hip hop fan, but there’s nothing to hate about old Nicki Minaj, sir.
55 barneygoogle said at 10:09 AM on February 15th, 2014:
I heard the Browns cut Joe Banner, master “capologist” and the “gold standard” of GMs. But then again he’s over 30, and on the downside.
Can we please find someone who can return a kickoff and is not named Reno Mahe?
Lots of Oregon players coming out who might be nice late round or free agent pickups. Bet Chip is targeting one or two.
56 ICDogg said at 11:16 AM on February 15th, 2014:
The Martin-Incognito report was pretty interesting. Ultimately I think the NFL is going to institute some penalties and policy changes. It becomes a “culture change” issue much like the bounty hunting stuff with the Saints, and even a little bit like the whole Sandusky thing at Penn State, where people will rationalize and accept just about any kind of bad behavior in order to not “hurt the team”.
Guys like Incognito are bad for the Dolphins, bad for the NFL, and coaches who condone their behavior and even encourage it are also bad for the game.
57 Media Mike said at 11:36 AM on February 15th, 2014:
The only thing said by anybody involved with that whole situation I found to be funny was when Incognito was joking about using his rifle to shoot Jeff Ireland. I’m not sure if I found it to be as funny as Dez Bryant did, but I laughed at that.
And I 100% agree that Incognito’s garbage has no place at any place of work.
58 SteveH said at 3:34 PM on February 15th, 2014:
I feel like saying that there needs to be some degree of professionalism kind of undersells the seriousness of what Incognito did. I mean, its unprofessional to allow your personal distaste for someone to interfere with your working relationship, but it’s assault when you throw someone onto a couch and start hitting them in the face. It’s also assault to start touching a woman on her genitals in the middle of a golf tournament. These are actually crimes, which I think extends beyond the realm of just “professionalism”.
59 ICDogg said at 3:42 PM on February 15th, 2014:
Yes, I was not clear about who I was talking about there. I meant the coaches and the atmosphere of the organization allowing this behavior.
60 SteveH said at 4:38 PM on February 15th, 2014:
Agreed. Everyone who’s ever had a shitty boss knows how they can enable terrible employee conduct, but in the NFL it seems to be that on steroids.
61 Media Mike said at 4:40 PM on February 15th, 2014:
Even if it wasn’t intentional, the use of “steroids” in your commentary was a nice touch! Well played.
62 GEAGLE said at 6:12 PM on February 15th, 2014:
I heard someone was inappropriately “touching” someone else wtf..did they ever give details on that?
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They are speculating that Martin will go somewhere where he has support in place! like the Niners with Harbaugh. And the Colts with luck. I wonder if Martins relationship with Ertz puts us on that short list? Good thing is Chip saw him up close a few times a year so he will know if he is worth it..I’m not familiar with his game so I have no oppinion! although he seems to have some charecter traits that really don’t mesh with playing Oline and protecting a franchise most important investment..but I’d be open to getting a young talent for cheap…
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Then again, if I had to deal with the TEBOW like circus attention that comes with signing one of these national stories. I’d rather have Sam then TEBOW!Incognito or Martin
63 ICDogg said at 6:31 PM on February 15th, 2014:
From the report:
In May 2012, Incognito engaged in two incidents of inappropriate behavior at a Dolphins’ charity golf tournament within the span of less than 24 hours. He has admitted that both incidents were fueled by alcohol. In the first, he and several other players commandeered a guest’s car for joy-riding in the parking lot of the golf club and allegedly damaged the guest’s luggage. The next day, Incognito allegedly molested a female volunteer at the tournament. He was accused of using a golf club to touch her genitals, touching her inappropriately with his body, squirting water on her and other inappropriate conduct, and she filed a report with the police. Incognito was not charged with a crime, but he entered into a confidential civil settlement to resolve the matter; news reports claim that he made a payment of $30,000. The Dolphins fined Incognito $5,000 for the first incident and $50,000 for the second, both for conduct deemed detrimental to the organization. The $50,000 penalty is one of the largest fines imposed on any Dolphins player to date for off-season conduct, according to team executives.
Incognito apologized to the Dolphins for his conduct at the golf tournament, but also filed a grievance against the team with respect to the $50,000 fine. He disputes certain allegations made by the female volunteer at the golf tournament, though he does not claim his conduct was appropriate. That matter remains unresolved.
64 SunShine said at 6:34 PM on February 15th, 2014:
Heard one of the trainers was being reviled as well. I know the report sais that Philbin had no idea but come on? These kind of details travel fast in today’s society. Have absolutely no respect for the perpetrators involved and the people that fully acknowledged but kept silent on the matter. All-time low for any organization
65 ICDogg said at 6:43 PM on February 15th, 2014:
A Japanese-born assistant trainer, who was subjected to racial ridicule on a regular basis. This was considered especially egregious because the abuse was not “among equals”.
66 Cafone said at 10:35 AM on February 16th, 2014:
The Eagles should consider picking up Incognito. He was in the Pro Bowl just a few years ago and there aren’t any linemen he could bully in Philadelphia.
67 Rambler said at 11:28 AM on February 15th, 2014:
We do not need another man’s trash, as we already have our own Trash Can. It would just be too confusing.
68 Media Mike said at 11:43 AM on February 15th, 2014:
We also had Gregg “Trash” Garrity.
69 Tumtum said at 12:42 PM on February 15th, 2014:
Your lack of use of the term shark in the water disappoints me.
70 GEAGLE said at 6:06 PM on February 15th, 2014:
I think the most interesting decisions will be what happens at OLB. We have some good money invested in barwin,Cole and BG. If we keep all 3 of them, then I don’t see any chance of us signing a pass rusher. The 4th would be filled with an early draft pick (KVN or Marcus smith)…don’t see Any way we can unload Coles contract at this point, so BG becomes the OLB in Question. If we want to try and and sign a MJ, Worlids, Griffin type, we would have to cut BG or trade him…problem with trading him is typically that wouldn’t happen til the draft and if you wait til the draft to trade him, the OLB market will have dried up…
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So I think odds are we will go into the season with Barwin,Cole,BG and the draft pick
71 SunShine said at 6:26 PM on February 15th, 2014:
Wouldn’t Nate Allen be cheaper than Delmas? Just better off keeping him in the fold if that is the case
72 Tony said at 2:00 AM on February 16th, 2014:
Delmas is heavy into cocaine. I’d be upset if the eagles made an attempt to sign him. No room for that kind of behavior on or near our team.
73 Cafone said at 10:31 AM on February 16th, 2014:
Delmas is a poor man’s Nate Allen