Mark Sanchez?

Posted: March 25th, 2014 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 141 Comments »

Chris Mortensen is reporting that the Eagles will bring in QB Mark Sanchez for a physical in the next couple of days and that if things go well, he will be signed by the team. This is going to lead to a ton of jokes, most bad, but I like the move.

Sanchez has talent and experience. Things fell apart for him in New York, but the notion that he’s an awful player with no future is a bad over-exaggeration. Sanchez is a complicated subject to discuss. For me, you have to go back to USC and start there.

Sanchez came after elite college QBs like Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart. Sanchez was supposed to be the next great one. But he left early and only had 16 college starts. I didn’t think he was ready for the NFL because of that. Here’s what I wrote back then:

Only a Junior. Talented player who showed a lot of potential, but didn’t play at an elite level. The extra year could have helped him. He does have the talent to be a good starting QB in the NFL. Solid athlete. Has an above average arm. Accurate. Puts good touch on his throws. Can put good velocity on the ball when he plants his feet and steps into the throws. Very good on rollouts. Throws well on the move.

The case against Mark is that he fails to stand out in any area. He started 16 games in his career. Recent studies have shown that the more starts a QB has the more likely he is to succeed in the NFL. Experience is nothing special. Arm? Above average, but nothing great. Athleticism? Above average, but not special. You don’t see him make “wow” plays. He didn’t lead USC to a National Title despite being surrounded by elite talent. He’s not compelling as a winner the way that some guys are. Sanchez didn’t carry the team on his back or anything like that.

I think Mark is a good player, but I believe he screwed up in coming out early. Another year at USC could have been really important to him. He will end up being the 2nd QB taken, but that doesn’t ensure a good career.

The Jets over-drafted him and then didn’t give Sanchez the best surrounding cast. But the team won because of defense and running the ball. Sanchez did his part. He led some key drives in key games. That gave you hope that he would finally take the next step and emerge as a really good QB.

Never happened.

I think the Jets immediate success with Sanchez hurt both sides. Hubris can undo a player and a team. I think Sanchez going to NYC was terrible for him. Instead of living football, he mixed in a regular social life. Part of the trade-off with being a successful young QB is that you don’t get the normal life.

One of the other problems was Rex Ryan. He is a defensive genius and pretty good head coach, but Ryan did Sanchez no favors, just as Buddy Ryan did Randall Cunningham no favors. Young QBs need structure and discipline. The Ryans coach with attitude and gut feelings more than detailed plans.

Can Sanchez be saved? That’s the key question.

If Sanchez signs with the Eagles, he’ll immediately have the best OL of his career. He’ll have the best skill players of his career. And he will have the first great offensive coach of his NFL career. Those can be huge factors in turning around the career of a young player. Sanchez still has talent. His confidence is shot. He needs a new setting and some new coaching. That can make all the difference in the world.

There are no guarantees, though. Sanchez might be too far gone. I do think he’s worth the risk. If you can clean up his game, you’ve got an excellent backup player. He has a 33-29 record as a starter. Sanchez can win games. If you can get him to go back to his USC days, you could see him actually play well.

I do think Sanchez can play in Chip Kelly’s system. He has a strong enough arm to throw downfield. Sanchez can throw on the move. He’s not the mobile QB so many think Kelly wants, but we’re starting to figure out that isn’t overly important to Kelly.

The Eagles needed competition for Matt Barkley. Sanchez is a low-risk/high-ward player. He could be a good backup or #3. If he falls on his face and totally struggles, you cut him and find someone else to throw in the mix.


141 Comments on “Mark Sanchez?”

  1. 1 Adam said at 12:19 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Really depends on money. I hope they don’t throw much at him. Draft a mid/late round guy, like Sanchez/Barkley/Rookie battle out for a few spots. But if he’s signing here with other teams showing interest, chances are they’re giving him some $$$.. which means he isn’t camp fodder.

  2. 2 RC5000 said at 1:05 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    His career hit a low, he’s coming off surgery, a year without playing reg season game and Kelly demonstrated he requires his QBs to earn their jobs. He will be expected to earn a job but obviously they will have an expectation he can if they sign him.

  3. 3 D3FB said at 1:33 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    If we acquire a rookie QB it will likely be a UDFA. This draft is deep with positional talent, and we currently only have 6 picks. Sanchez will be here on a small one or two year deal with only a few hundred thousand dollar signing bonus. If he beats Barkley out, great. If he doesn’t then let him and Kinne compete to be the number 3.
    To be honest if your backup quarterback is playing more than a couple games the season is over. You hope you can scheme some things up and simplify a game plan that emphasizes your other skill players and have a great defensive performance, to maybe sneak out one of or two W’s. That’s true for any team in the NFL. Green Bay got lucky that the Bears and Lions imploded. Mcown only beat the Redskins, Cowboys, and Ravens in OT, while simultanously losing to the Rams, Lions, and Vikings. I’ll take a position player and Garret Gilbert or Casey Pachall over Aaron Murray or Tajh Boyd.

  4. 4 Tumtum said at 11:43 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Speaking of 6 picks. Whats up with DRC starting all season for Denver and playing well and not netting a comp pick?

  5. 5 Neil said at 11:57 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    You lose a comp pick for every signing you make, so we were at like -4

  6. 6 Tumtum said at 2:29 PM on March 25th, 2014:


  7. 7 Sean Stott said at 12:25 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Sanchez would be a great #2 QB, capable of winning games for you if your #1 goes down. He also was in the AFC CG a couple times, so that’s also good experience.

  8. 8 Insomniac said at 12:26 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Could we have interest in Pryor if the Raiders cut him? I really want no part of Sanchez. If Djax would be a headache and is considered not part of the Eagle’s “culture” then Sanchez wouldn’t either.

    Also I might be just mad, sleep-deprived, and playing too much Madden but lets just say Kelvin Benjamin, Brandon Coleman, and Momah on the field sounds like what Chip would do.

  9. 9 Cafone said at 3:30 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    I don’t know if Pryor would fit into Kelly’s culture, but they can certainly find common ground in their NCAA violations.

  10. 10 Brazilnut said at 3:45 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    The line about Sanchez fitting into the culture makes no sense. He hasn’t had any issues along the lines Djax has.

  11. 11 Insomniac said at 2:27 PM on March 25th, 2014:

    What issues has Jackson had off the field? Sanchez is just as unfocused on football as Jackson was. At least, Jackson has been productive and deserved a role while Sanchez is worried about who his next date is.

  12. 12 Brazilnut said at 8:01 PM on March 25th, 2014:

    Jackson had contract issues, on the field issues and off the field issues. Him pouting for an entire season about his contract is already worse than anything Sanchez has done in his career.

  13. 13 Insomniac said at 11:45 PM on March 25th, 2014:

    A half-assed Djax is already better than Sanchez ever was. Sanchez is Leinart 2.0. What off the field issues? Name them. I bet you can’t and they aren’t even issues in the first place..

  14. 14 Brazilnut said at 6:31 AM on March 26th, 2014:

    You’re joking, right? Thats all thats been discussed these past few weeks.

  15. 15 Anders said at 5:39 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    I would love Pryor as the 3rd QB over Sanchez. I think Barkley showed enough last year.
    Except those 3 WRs cant catch?

  16. 16 D3FB said at 6:18 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    What I don’t get with Bryant though is how, in that offense, with Sammy Watkins getting all the attention from defenses was he not more productive? Tajh may not be a great pro prospect but he was a very good college QB. He only put up over 100 yards one time, which was against Georgia Tech. His next two highest performances were Maryland and that powerhouse program South Carolina State. He’s a HWS kid who left school early because underclassmen were taking his playing time. If you can’t beat out your own roster, probably doesn’t bode well for your chances in the league.

  17. 17 Anders said at 6:24 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    I take a flier on him in the 3rd round. It isnt like Benjamin or Coleman was super productive either.
    Also it isnt always about production, Odell Beckham Jr only had 1100 yards but is still considered a first round prospect and with Watkins getting fed so much, there wasnt much to go around to the other WRs

  18. 18 D3FB said at 7:08 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    I’m not a Benjamin fan (23 year old redshirt sophomore? TE athleticism?) and I detest Coleman. OBJ had those 1100 yards, and he also had Landry on the other side. Plus LSU is a running team and only threw for 1000 fewer yards than Clemson. That offense is a derivative of the Air Raid. There was plenty of passing. HWS receivers who don’t have first round grades, don’t pan out. Why? Because if you’re 6’5 run a 4.4 and aren’t putting up massive numbers, something isn’t right.
    I think the type of WR’s the team will look at fall into one of three categories:
    1. Slot/OW: Brandin Cooks, Bruce Ellington, Josh Huff, Robert Herron, Dri Archer. Explosive, shorter, extremely quick, won’t burst into cloud of dust if LB hits them on a crossing route.
    2. WR- OBJ, Paul Richardson, TJ Jones. Do it all receiver. Can lift the top off the defense, make a contested catch, break and arm tackle and take it to the house.
    3. Big WR- Jordan Matthews, Allen Robinson, Cody Lattimer, Cody Hoffman. 6’3 or more. Impact Redzone players. Wins on jump balls. Doesn’t run a 4.4 but is a crafty route runner with a little bit of wiggle after the catch.

  19. 19 Anders said at 7:54 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    “he also had Landry on the other side”
    and Bryant had Sammy Watkins on the other side. Just saying you cant use the argument for one and not the other.
    I really do not want Matthews or Robinson. They might be bigger, but I really do not see them winning that many jump balls. Majority of those two yards was also on bubble screens.

  20. 20 D3FB said at 8:00 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    I’m saying that is a wash for both of them. I’m also saying Clemson threw the ball ALOT more than LSU did, therefore OBJ’s 1150 out of 3200 passing yards is much more impressive than 850 out of 4300. OBJ also put up over 100 yards against TCU, Georgia, and Miss St.

  21. 21 Anders said at 5:48 AM on March 26th, 2014:

    There is a reason why 1 is considered a 1st round pick and one is a late day 2 pick

  22. 22 Arby1 said at 9:13 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the plan was to get a 3rd or 2nd for DeSean and trade that pick and #22 to move up and take Mike Evans if he dropped to the 15 – 17 area.

  23. 23 Tumtum said at 11:14 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Totally serious question. Do you have a scouting or coaching background?

  24. 24 D3FB said at 6:31 PM on March 25th, 2014:

    4 years of playing college football. Our LB coach for the last two years was a former Eagles scout. After that long of watching a receiver’s pre-snap motion 4 times before you even get into the play, you pick up alot of things about how to watch film. I could have been a coaching grad assistant but I’m choosing to go other directions when I graduate.

  25. 25 Tumtum said at 9:56 AM on March 26th, 2014:

    Good stuff.

  26. 26 Neil said at 2:09 PM on March 25th, 2014:

    “HWS receiver”

    Height, weight, speed?

  27. 27 D3FB said at 6:31 PM on March 25th, 2014:

    Correct, think a player that would make Al Davis have a zombie boner.

  28. 28 Insomniac said at 5:16 PM on March 25th, 2014:

    Oh I only chose the biggest guys because you know the saying..big people beat up little people. I’m not as high on Bryant to say he’s a clone of AJ Green though. I like him though but I really think he needs to put on some muscle.

  29. 29 Anders said at 5:45 AM on March 26th, 2014:

    Regarding Bryant, it was more his style of play, body type and his ceiling. There is a reason why AJ Green is of to one of the best starts to a WRs career ever.

  30. 30 Buge Halls said at 10:11 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    So you’d rather have a guy that has done nothing in the league (Pryor) over a guy that has taken his team to the AFC Championship twice (Sanchez)? And here I thought Philly fans were supposed to be the smartest in the league! I for one would rather have our backup be Sanchez – a guy who is more like our starter (Foles) and stands in the pocket and moves a little to make a play downfield over yet one more “flashy” QB that makes plays with his legs instead of his arm!

    Don’t get me wrong, neither one of them really stacks up stat-wise, but out of the two, I’d take the guy with playoff experience every time.

  31. 31 Tumtum said at 11:12 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    I would not hate to see Pryor in Green either.

  32. 32 Insomniac said at 5:23 PM on March 25th, 2014:

    Pryor has youth and the tools. He’s someone worth checking out and developing. Sanchez has been a mediocre game manager that made a few clutch plays to propel them through the playoffs. He’s mistake prone for a veteran and I’m not even sure he’s into football anymore.

    Your approach is like what the Cowgirls say to us in denial because of past achievements or at that’s how I feel about it.

  33. 33 shah8 said at 12:45 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    I don’t think the extra year would have helped him. Sometimes, you just find out ofter the fact that the dude you drafted is undertalented in a way that didn’t show up in college. Mark Sanchez isn’t ever going to be a QB that will make good decisions. The scheme that relieves him of decisionmaking will help him, and the fact that he can run a more normal offense, if we get shoved into it, will help us.

  34. 34 Cafone said at 1:55 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    look what the extra year did for Matt Barkley!

  35. 35 TommyLawlor said at 7:37 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Barkley started almost 3 times as many college games as Sanchez. QBs really do need at least 20 college starts to prepare for the NFL.

  36. 36 bill said at 8:16 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    20 starts in a system that requires them to sit in the pocket and go through read progressions. That number can deviate downward some, if they have lots of “starts” in high school and such, and have a natural inclination towards pattern recognition. But if you don’t have that experience before getting to the NFL, you’re going to have a hard time developing it there before you lose your psychological edge.

  37. 37 shah8 said at 11:52 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Matt Barkley is a good QB if you don’t consider the arm issue.

  38. 38 Weapon Y said at 1:19 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Honestly the field of backup QBs is paltry to begin with. I loathe the idea of Sanchez taking a snap for the Eagles in a regular season or playoff game, but he is better than the alternatives available to the Eagles. Hopefully Tommy’s optimism about Sanchez is warranted or Barkley surges past Sanchez.

  39. 39 RC5000 said at 1:52 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    You would loathe any QB taking a snap in a playoff game if Foles was injured on paper at this moment. And until Foles actually does get injured , no young QB is going to get significant game experience anyway. If anything it should be the exact opposite of that.
    Sanchez has won 4 playoff games (all on the road) and been to two AFC championship games. You aren’t going to get much better than that competing for a backup QB spot especially one in his 20s.
    I don’t think Sanchez has earned a spot on the team yet but we’re in the on paper season right now.

  40. 40 SteveH said at 1:39 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    As long as the contract is not large, at all. Sanchez is a mess IMO, a big turnover and mistake addled mess coming from a highly dysfunctional franchise. You could do worse as a backup as long as he’s here on a true backups salary.

  41. 41 Cafone said at 3:53 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Why, is Lurie giving you a cut of the multiple millions of dollars the Eagles have left under the salary cap?

  42. 42 Cafone said at 1:52 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Cut DeSean Jackson, sign Mark Sanchez…

    I guess they’re going to wait until next week to announce the Richie Incognito signing?

  43. 43 Call Me Carlos the Dwarf said at 2:12 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    So, what do you think of the DJax tweet?

  44. 44 RC5000 said at 2:21 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    If he and Chip are communicating it’s a good thing.

  45. 45 Anders said at 5:44 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    I love that picture. Also there was reports earlier this month that Jackson loves playing for Kelly because he finally made him a complete WR instead of just using him on go routes.

  46. 46 SteveH said at 3:48 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Looking over Sanchez stats, a couple things stand out:

    He has more career interceptions than touchdowns in the regular season.

    He has a career completion % of 55.

    He fumbled 14 times in 2012, which is far more than Vick ever had in a single season as an Eagle, and 1 more than his career high as a Falcon.

    Mark Sanchez averages 11 fumbles a season.

    He has rushed for almost exactly 100 yards each season in the league, at an average of 2.7 a carry. So he’s not much of a runner at all.

    His career passer rating is 72. His passer rating in 2012 (his last healthy season) was 67.

    So… lots to feel confident about here.

  47. 47 GermanEagle said at 6:17 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    You will always find people to justify every move the Eagles make. Can’t wait for Maggie’s – oops I mean Howie’s take…!

  48. 48 kevinlied said at 9:49 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    I mean, he’d sign to challenge for QB2. If you start with the premise that the eagles want to sign a veteran QB, whom would you prefer they get? Shawn Hill? Hell, look at the list of backup QBs who are currently rostered. Sanchez is comfortably in the top echelon. Plus, signing him (or someone else) lessens the chance that the eagles feel the need to draft a QB in the middle rounds, where tantalizing prospects at other positions are sure to be available. I think this would be a solid signing, even if he doesn’t approve an iota. Would I rather have Vick? Sure. But he didn’t want to come back.

  49. 49 GEAGLE said at 1:17 PM on March 25th, 2014:

    Your fault For reading it…like 5 days ago I realized I could minimize peoples posts so that they don’t even appear on my page and Since then, talking eagles has been a peaceful pleasure 🙂

  50. 50 GermanEagle said at 2:18 PM on March 25th, 2014:

    Don’t you dare minimising me! Lol

  51. 51 xeynon said at 3:23 PM on March 27th, 2014:

    What’s the big deal? Sanchez is being brought in at a low salary to compete for a backup job. Even if he can’t be reclaimed, he’s a guy who can come in and start a game or two for you if called upon and not be a total disaster. That’s all you can expect out of a backup QB.

  52. 52 GermanEagle said at 8:19 PM on March 27th, 2014:

    I might be biased here. But I just don’t like a guy who’s head is more focused on a model career than football. He’s probably the opposite of DeSean Jackson, which is sad, because the latter probably won’t be in Philly anymore.

  53. 53 TommyLawlor said at 7:39 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    You can’t look at Sanchez as a finished product. He needs coaching. He didn’t develop in NY, part on him and part on the coaches. If Chip can fix him, he’s got starter ability. Worth the risk.

  54. 54 austinfan said at 9:56 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    That’s dangerous, how many QBs make those kind of turnarounds five years into a NFL career. Very few, and usually guys buried on the bench who get a chance (Gannon).

    Sanchez isn’t ideally suited to be a backup QB, his lack of accuracy and poor decision making is not what you want. He’s a reclamation project, maybe you can rebuild him, maybe after an attempt you dump him on the junk heap. But he will have to have a “come to Jesus” moment, because reworking your mechanics and learning Chip’s system to perfection will probably require more work than he’s invested in his career to date.

  55. 55 SteveH said at 1:10 PM on March 25th, 2014:

    Well, I hope we can fix him, but I think he’s a reclamation project that ultimately will not be reclaimed.

  56. 56 GEAGLE said at 1:15 PM on March 25th, 2014:

    Part of it was his frat boy, non professional, lazy demeanor…

  57. 57 NinjaP said at 4:24 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Seems like DeSean might be staying.

  58. 58 eagleyankfan said at 7:31 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    If he stays the Eagles brass will simply say “we were never trying to move him” and hint it was all made up by the media….

  59. 59 bubqr said at 5:18 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Agree with everything apart from “He has a 33-29 record as a starter. Sanchez can win games”. Nothing against you Tommy, but I hate using W/L record as an argument for/against someone. The Jets won in spite of Mark Sanchez(in the regular season, I have to say he had some impressive playoffs games), so the fact the Jets won games means nothing. Put him on the Jaguars and he would have been 6-56 or something.

  60. 60 TommyLawlor said at 7:40 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    If given the right circumstances, he can win games. We’ve seen other QBs who struggled to even do that.

  61. 61 GEAGLE said at 1:14 PM on March 25th, 2014:

    Was he a better option for us than Jason Campbell?

  62. 62 Sifter said at 5:25 PM on March 25th, 2014:

    Potentially – and that’s the point. Campbell’s played in 17 different systems, and never looked particularly good. Sanchez has played in 2 systems and…yeah he hasn’t been great either. But it’s the potential for improvement. Campbell won’t ever improve, Sanchez might.

    I personally really like it when teams take on failed recent 1st rounders for cheap. It shows they have confidence in their coaching staff to turn a guy’s career around.

  63. 63 Anders said at 5:26 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Funny is your description of Sanchez is pretty much Matt Barkley or Nick Foles.

  64. 64 eagleyankfan said at 7:30 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    I was thinking the same thing. I think he was a bit harsher on Foles. That’s where he wrote that he was going to do his write up on QB’s in college as soon as Vick went down. Mark Sanchez ABOVE avg in athleticism? SMH!! If you compare him to Eli’s — yes, he’s better but those guys are so far down the “athletic” pole that it’s a joke. Mark is NOT above avg. In fact, he’s not even avg. Too much of a Spuds feel to this article….

  65. 65 D3FB said at 7:43 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    He didn’t have a great forty but the other 4 tests of athleticism he did perform “above average”. Facts and figures, must mean I’m totally on the Eagles payroll to brainwash fans.

  66. 66 A_T_G said at 7:55 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Yeah, but “above average” is such a vague, nebulous term.

    What, are you going to calculate “average” for each category all by yourself? For a percent-scaled value? I bet 50% of the population would have trouble doing that.

  67. 67 eagleyankfan said at 8:01 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    At a minimum — compare him to QB’s of today … RG3 — now that guy is athletic. TE Graham — he’s athletic. Present day — this guy is not athletic….

  68. 68 A_T_G said at 8:11 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    The chart does compare him to QBs of today.

    The averages is a composite of data from 1999-2014 – including RG3.

  69. 69 eagleyankfan said at 8:17 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    I read it as his numbers from when he was in the draft. I’m not sure how they’d get his numbers from present day in those categories.

  70. 70 A_T_G said at 8:26 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    They are HIS numbers from the when he was in the draft, compared to everyone from 1999-2014’s numbers when THEY were in the draft. That should satisfy your “guys are more athletic now” concern.

    His numbers are being compared to guys coming out now, like RG3. It seems safe to assume if improvements in training are producing more athletic college players, which I am inferring as your premise, that pro teams are using those improvements as well, right? So sweeping improvements in athleticism in each new year would be mirrored by guys getting faster and stronger whom are already on NFL teams.

  71. 71 eagleyankfan said at 8:33 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    No — no and no….. HIS NUMBERS from 2009 from when he was COMING OUT OF COLLEGE is DIFFERENT than his NUMBERS TODAY. That’s comparing apples and oranges. There is NO WAY he’s in that shape anymore. That’s my point. Get HIS numbers from TODAY and compare them to EXISTING QB’s in the NFL. NOT numbers from 5 YEARS ago.

  72. 72 A_T_G said at 9:28 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Oh, well, if that is all, then that is easy. A quick scan of QBs sorted by pass attempts, as a crude estimate for playing time, shows that 14 of the top 15 QBs last year have more years in the league than Sanchez. If he did slip at all since college, EXISTING QBs in the NFL slipped more.

    So, if anything, the percentages showing he is above average are low. We should probably be saying “well above average” by your reasoning.

  73. 73 Tumtum said at 11:10 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Every single 4th grader alive would probably bump the stat up just a bit.

  74. 74 eagleyankfan said at 7:58 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    who’s talking about years ago compared to today? Did you even read the stats posted below about his avg. yard per carry? Yup, that’s screaming “athletic” to me…

  75. 75 D3FB said at 8:09 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    As far as I know Sanchez hasn’t had major leg issues since that point. He’s only 27 not 35, so any decrease is speed would likely be beyond noticing. Plus he wasn’t going to get far when he was trying to survive behind the dumpster fire that was the Jets pass blocking. You also completely disregard that alot of QB runs are sneaks. He’s not gonna be breaking off 20 yarders. I mean don’t get me wrong I’m not saying he’s about to beat any skill players in a foot race, but this whole I don’t agree with you so you and all the other writers who don’t agree with me and my pessimism are cronies for the team is bull.

  76. 76 GEAGLE said at 1:13 PM on March 25th, 2014:

    WTF he just had knee surgery

  77. 77 D3FB said at 6:23 PM on March 25th, 2014:

    I hadn’t seen that but it was only a knee scope. Not a terribly large or threatening procedure.

  78. 78 Anders said at 7:56 AM on March 25th, 2014:
    He has above average atletisme in everything but the 40 yard dash

  79. 79 eagleyankfan said at 7:59 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Come on… from 2009? We’re not drafting him ….

  80. 80 Anders said at 8:01 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    lol? how else do you want to meassure his athletimse?

  81. 81 eagleyankfan said at 8:04 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    🙂 … against other QB’s in the NFL…I’ll agree, to be successful, you don’t really have to be athletic as a QB. But this guy, watching a lot of him in NY, is not mobile. Mobility has to be part of the definition of athletic.

  82. 82 Anders said at 8:05 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    He is more mobile than Foles, Brady, Manning Brothers and guys like Matt Ryan. So he is plenty of functional mobility.

  83. 83 eagleyankfan said at 8:08 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Foles — no way. One-legged Mannings — for sure. Even Schaub/Ryan. That’s 4 out of 32 teams. Mannings are so slow, we could count them twice. Wait. Ben in Pitt too…we’re getting to there…

  84. 84 xeynon said at 3:28 PM on March 27th, 2014:

    Roethlisberger is actually quite athletic, even this late in his career. He’s consistently been considered one of the hardest QBs in the league to sack because of his strength and elusiveness. You’re betraying your ignorance with comments like this (not that it wasn’t already apparent).

  85. 85 eagleyankfan said at 4:50 PM on March 27th, 2014:

    The difference – ass – is that Ben uses his strength to escape. That doesn’t mean he’s athletic. But, until you obtain that HS diploma from night school, I wouldn’t expect you to understand the difference …

  86. 86 xeynon said at 9:31 AM on March 28th, 2014:

    Roethlisberger isn’t RGIII in terms of elusiveness, but he’s still above average.

    Thanks for revealing that you’re an asshole as well as being ignorant. I now have confirmation of my earlier intuition that your posts aren’t worth paying attention to.

  87. 87 Tumtum said at 11:08 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    He ran so fast into the buttocks of his center that he dislodged his firm grasp of the football. Looked like he could of even been a little concussed.

    If that’s not athleticism I don’t know what is.

  88. 88 Tumtum said at 11:07 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    I think you are over estimating the athleticism of the average NFL QB. Guys like Peyton are really bringing down the average, which is good when you a grading on a curve….which is essentially what we are doing!

  89. 89 GermanEagle said at 5:26 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    I like what the Eagles are doing here…making all the moves to trade DeSean and Sanchez to the Jets for Vick!

  90. 90 GEAGLE said at 7:22 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Nooooooo a Sanchez thread? I was hoping to read any article but this one smh. They can sign him, go ahead, but I will NEVER acknowledge the human Butt fumble as a Philadelphia Eagle..NEVER!! I’m literally going to pretend this isn’t happening. Catch you on the next topic boys

  91. 91 eagleyankfan said at 7:31 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    I just hope I never have to read the “best 3rd string qb in the NFL” again.

  92. 92 Bert's Bells said at 7:37 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Huzzah! More threads on Mark Sanchez, please!

  93. 93 eagleyankfan said at 8:05 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Someone learned a new word on Jeopardy last night and even managed to fit it in a discussion today — kudos!!!

  94. 94 A Roy said at 9:53 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    What ? Butt fumble?

  95. 95 A_T_G said at 9:56 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    No, kudos. He told you. Although I can’t find where anyone used it on this thread. Maybe he heard someone say it at work.

  96. 96 A Roy said at 10:06 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Oh. Wait. Aren’t Kudos some sort of granola bar?

  97. 97 A_T_G said at 10:14 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Maybe. I thought it was an infectious childhood disease passed on to other children of the opposite sex. Children in the 8-12 range are most vulnerable. The disease has no noticeable symptoms to adults, but children can visually diagnose other children at a glance.

  98. 98 A Roy said at 10:29 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    One thing I can tell you…you don’t get Kudos for wanting Joe Webb as your QB.

  99. 99 Scott J said at 7:54 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Sorry Tommy, but I think you’re making too many excuses for Sanchez. He’s just not talented enough. What I don’t like about this potential signing is, I think Sanchez thinks he can still be a starter. We need a veteran backup that knows his role and won’t compete for the starting job.

  100. 100 A_T_G said at 7:59 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    I want a guy who absolutes competes for a starting job, but is still a good teammate when he loses.

    The negative I see in this signing is that now we are down to 99.999% of the fan base thinking that Foles should be the starting QB. When it was him and Barkley, it was pretty much unanimous. Now I am sure there is someone who will soon be suggesting that Sanchez should supplant him.

  101. 101 A Roy said at 9:52 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    He has greater arm strength than Foles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  102. 102 shah8 said at 11:43 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    All I care about is the insurance issue. Now I don’t think my eyes will bleed if I have to watch Barkley do a Tolzein or McGloin-like performance for half the season.

    Of course, Sanchez could be as bad, but I don’t think so, and if he is, there’s always the probability of black humor in what he does.

  103. 103 Mike Roman said at 8:04 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    I really think this is a low risk move. Hell, if the Chip and co. can coach him up, it may be a high reward move too. At the very least he would provide competition for Barkley, who I think will take a big step forward this year.

  104. 104 Anders said at 8:07 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    I like Barkley coming out of college more than Sanchez. I also think Barkley showed a lot of good things last year sans the ints, but he was in an impossible situation in the Cowboys game.

  105. 105 RobNE said at 9:11 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Yes. How does this work out well. Sanchez performs well in camp, Barkley gets less touches or gets cut. That is bad (to me). There is no upside here, because I will never believe Sanchez is any type of answer for us.

  106. 106 Anders said at 9:13 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Well if Barkley can not beat out Sanchez in camp, maybe he deserves to be cut?

  107. 107 RobNE said at 9:15 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    After last year, I just don’t trust camp and preseason games. Playing against vanilla defenses etc.

    My point is I won’t believe that good preseason means anything.

  108. 108 Anders said at 5:49 AM on March 26th, 2014:

    Based on what?

  109. 109 Mike Roman said at 9:39 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Yes, I think too many people will dismiss him because of his performances in those two games. He showed he could run the ball and move the offense. Yes he turned the ball over, but he was forced to be aggressive based on the circumstances.

  110. 110 Anders said at 5:47 AM on March 26th, 2014:

    yea Barkley didnt look like a rookie outside of those interceptions

  111. 111 iceberg584 said at 8:40 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    “Good to Talk to Big Chip Today!! Say or hear what ya want!! The Picture speaks for itself! Winner BirdGang!” – DeSean’s Instagram account late last night. (The picture was Chip jokingly chasing him with those foam paddle things during last year’s training camp).

  112. 112 Andy124 said at 11:53 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    So DJ is telling us that Chip really is chasing him out of town…

  113. 113 barneygoogle said at 8:48 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    The media is amazing in how they overrate DeSean Jackson as if he were Jerry Rice, and trash Sanchez as if he never won a playoff game. Just maybe Kelly knows something about players–in his system. Sanchez is low risk and potentially high reward. But I wonder why he would come here. One year rehab arm and reputation deal?

  114. 114 IAmKreela said at 8:54 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Look the reason I do not like theEagles chasing after Sanchez is that this guy has no work ethic to be a NFL QB. There is an episode of Hard Knocks where he walks into a meeting with his QB coach and Offensive coordinator without a pen or notebook to go over the play book. Do you see Manning or Brady doing that?

    His lack of improvement over the past two years shows that this incident is not an isolated one. The Jets went out of their way to sign another QB in the past two seasons to light a fire in Sanchez. But to no avail. This guy is more interested in the off field activities than on field.

    To be successful in the NFL as a QB now requires a tremendous work ethic. You have to put in the extra hours to study film and work with your WRs to develop a chemistry. Much like the coaches the QB has to be the first one in the building and last one out. Talent alone will not allow you to be successful. If that was the case JaMarcus Russell would still be in this league and be a superstar. Drew Brees based on his physical limitations has no business being in the NFL but that guy works his butt off to make it look so easy on Sundays.

    So please Howie and Chip don’t waste your time or money on this guy.

  115. 115 RobNE said at 9:10 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    I agree. I’d rather have Barkley even if he is less talented (and I don’t believe you can say that for sure). I read a book on a behind the scenes look at the Jets one season, and Sanchez comes across as a frat president. He is always ordering qb3 to go get food, etc. He is not a student of the game, is not a professional, doesn’t respect other players.

  116. 116 Tumtum said at 10:58 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Is there anyone better to push Barkley at the moment? If Sanchez were to continue on that path, don’t you think you would see him get cut early in camp with another arm signed. Not only would it send a message, but would probably result in nothing lost.

    Everything he has said publicly since last year seems to indicate he has realized the levity of his situation. Perhaps at age 27 he is starting to mature?

    I say sign him and hope that Barkley beats him out. I sort of see them as very similar QB. Probably the SC connection. The big difference being that Barkley is a proven hard worker and seems to have the “it” factor that I don’t think anyone has ever accused Sanchez of having.

  117. 117 barneygoogle said at 9:07 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Chip Incognito. It’s DeSean who asked to be traded!

  118. 118 Anthony Hart said at 9:22 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Thank you for continuing to pump out great articles keeping things rational and in perspective Tommy!

  119. 119 GEAGLE said at 1:11 PM on March 25th, 2014:

    Desean is DeGone?

  120. 120 Neil said at 2:40 PM on March 25th, 2014:

    That was extremely reasonable at the time.

  121. 121 Christopher Miller said at 9:47 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Would rather see us pick a later round prospect, but if they are not sure Matt is ready this makes some sense at the right price.

  122. 122 CrackSammich said at 10:03 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    In the land of Maybes, Has-Beens, and Never-weres, you can do a lot worse that Sanchez at backup QB. People are looking over his stats like they expect him to start, when they should be looking at him like Kyle Orton.

    I’m not looking forward to the ridicule this signing will come with…

  123. 123 Michael Winter Cho said at 11:54 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Except Kyle Orton is a starting-caliber QB, and Mark Sanchez is one of the worst QBs in the league.

  124. 124 CrackSammich said at 12:10 PM on March 25th, 2014:

    Kyle Orton would be starting if he could. He’s not, and not for lack of opportunity.

    Sanchez is one of the worst starters in the league, sure, but he’s instantly one of the better back-ups. That was my original point.

  125. 125 Michael Winter Cho said at 1:43 PM on March 25th, 2014:

    Okay, Orton, a backup, has better stats than Sanchez, who was a starter and got all the reps. I guess we’ll see how it turns out, but I just remember Orton always seeming to play pretty well and Sanchez always seeming to play pretty badly.

  126. 126 A Roy said at 10:04 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Reading through this thread, you’d think that signing Sanchez would be a big mistake, as Sanchez won’t challenge Foles for the starting spot. There is no one out there who fits that bill. Flynn? No. McCown. No. Shaun Hill? The fact I had to use his first name to describe him says what a star he may be. There’s no one out there. Oh, wait a minute, I know…Kolb.
    You want someone healthy, serviceable and relatively inexpensive. Sanchez fits that bill as well as anyone. He may resurrect himself to the point we trade him for a draft pick. He may challenge Barkley.
    Let’s get to the real issue of the week. When are the Eagles going to sign someone to compete with Henery?

  127. 127 Mitchell said at 10:22 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    OMG through all the turmoil I almost forgot about Henery. Yep we need to sign someone but maybe we can get a guy as an UDFA. Who knows?

  128. 128 A Roy said at 10:30 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    As they haven’t signed someone, I’m expecting them to go the UDFA route.

  129. 129 Andy124 said at 10:47 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    I figure since a 4th round pick wasn’t good enough to land a reliable kicker, they’ll probably look to the 2nd or 3rd round this time.

  130. 130 Tumtum said at 10:52 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    22… shock the world.

  131. 131 A Roy said at 11:14 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    That would be one position higher than Ray Guy.

  132. 132 bill said at 10:41 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    If Sanchez is signed, will this finally put the last nail in the coffin of the “knowledge” that Chip needs/prefers a QB that is a running threat for his system?

  133. 133 Iskar36 said at 10:58 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Only until Kelly signs a guy who has some athleticism and that crowd will come back in force saying, “SEE! I TOLD YOU HE NEEDED ONE!”

  134. 134 mtn_green said at 10:47 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    If Barkley doesn’t beat out Sanchez then eagles know what they got in Barkley.

  135. 135 P_P_K said at 11:54 AM on March 25th, 2014:


  136. 136 TheRogerPodacter said at 5:51 PM on March 25th, 2014:

    if Barkley wins the #2 QB job, it also doesn’t matter who our #3 QB is – Sanchez or not, we’re screwed.

    like you said, i’m more worried about him beating Barkley for the #2 spot… it means that Barkley isn’t much of a prospect and then we are one injury away from Sanchez taking the field. if we sign sanchez, i’ll be rooting really hard for Barkley in the offseason!

  137. 137 Tumtum said at 10:50 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    I have no problem if they sign him at all. Plenty of starting experience, including a couple AFC championship games. As a back up there isn’t much more you could ask for. I would take him over the Matt Cassles, Blain Gabberts, and Brandon Weedens of the world.

    My non-Eagles friends on the other hand already find this to be extremely funny.

  138. 138 iceberg584 said at 11:44 AM on March 25th, 2014:

    Supposedly, Chip told DeSean not to worry, to keep working, and to get ready for camp.

    Perhaps, the Eagles have realized that the return on a trade isn’t going to be worth it, and now they are in “let’s smooth things over” mode.

  139. 139 GEAGLE said at 12:11 PM on March 25th, 2014:

    And Desean called some of his team mates and said he is staying…so they say

  140. 140 sew737 said at 12:00 PM on March 25th, 2014:

    Mark Sanchez…… Let’s hope he fails his physical.

  141. 141 GEAGLE said at 1:18 PM on March 25th, 2014:

    Had knee surgery and shoulder surgery so fingers crossed…
    If mark STANKchez is a good signing I can’t fathom what a horrible one would be