Outside the Box

Posted: May 6th, 2014 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 108 Comments »

We’ve talked about a lot of draft scenarios. Here’s an interesting notion…what if the Eagles moved back to the late 1st or early 2nd and took RB Carlos Hyde from Ohio State?

I don’t want to add an early RB any more than most of you, but when you watch tape of Hyde, it is easy to fall in love with the guy. Check out these two games.



Hyde literally looked like a man vs boys in the PSU game. He would be a very good fit for Kelly’s offense. Hyde does something that coaches and OL love…he trusts the play. Shady has gotten criticized by both Kelly and Reid for making too many cuts at times. Hyde is a N-S runner who follows the design of the play. He can make cuts and will do that at times, but generally runs where the play calls for him to go.

This is important because it helps the blockers. Since the RB is behind them, they can’t look for him and adjust their blocking. OL have to go by the design of the play. When a RB changes what he does, you’ll see times when a defender is blocked right into the RB. Or maybe the blocker will release the defender since he assumes the RB is at a different spot and the defender can’t get there. Boom…TFL.

Shady is such a unique freak that he’s able to make his style work. But it still drives the coaches crazy at times. They would prefer he hit the hole more often and cut less.

Hyde is the top RB in this class and has the potential to be a dynamic NFL runner. He hits the hole consistently and wears down the defense. You see him really start to break tackles late in the game. He has good feet, which is unusual for such a big back (230 pounds). He his fast and has good body control. Hyde is a tough, physical runner, but he’s also smart. He can run guys over, but prefers to go around them when he can.

He is also a pretty good receiver and solid enough pass blocker.

I could see a coach like Chip Kelly who loves the running game loving Hyde. I have no idea if the Eagles have a high grade on him or would even consider him a target, but it does make for an interesting What If scenario.

I don’t care much for the RB class. Hyde is the best. Tre Mason is my favorite. Many of the other guys just don’t do much for me. We’ll find out this week if the Eagles like any of them.

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I posted some draft notes over at ScoutsNotebook.

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Greg Cosell wrote about big WRs and had lots of good stuff to say about Kelvin Benjamin. I respect the heck out of Cosell, but disagree with his thoughts on Benjamin. Cosell is a film guru, but his strength is covering the NFL more than it is doing college player evaluation. A couple of years ago he was hyping WR A.J. Jenkins as a top guy. Sure enough the Niners took him in the 1st round. I had Jenkins in the 4th round or something like that.

I’m not trying to rip Cosell. He’s a very smart guy and someone I always listen to. But even the best of us is going to miss on some players when it comes to draft evaluation.

He likes Benjamin. I don’t.

We’ll see who is right.

While I don’t like Benjamin, I do see where people/teams can like him. And Benjamin could turn out to be a good NFL player. I always keep an open mind, especially when I disagree with smart people. I won’t like the pick if the Eagles take him, but I do trust Chip. He’s got a vision for how to use guys. So far that vision has worked pretty well.


108 Comments on “Outside the Box”

  1. 1 ohitsdom said at 8:31 AM on May 6th, 2014:

    I do not get the hype on Benjamin. Sure, he’s big. But what else? Hard hands and little athleticism…

  2. 2 Anders said at 8:40 AM on May 6th, 2014:

    I rather have Tre Mason than Hyde if we should draft a RB high.

  3. 3 GEAGLE said at 12:45 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Yup…also think Mason won’t cost as high of a pick..his wrist could cause him to fall. Teams draft RBs counting on them to be ready to play as rookies…if teams start to pass on him over his wrist needing to be fused he could falll, and we have the situation where we can afford to be patient with a rookie RB

  4. 4 Anders said at 8:43 AM on May 6th, 2014:

    Totally out of field question.

    Could Bortles be in play at 22 if he drops? He has the size, arm and athleticism but just need some work with his technique.

    Tommy you did mention Carr in the last post, but not sure im too big of a fan. How Carr handles pressure really worries me and seems the total opposite of Foles who has great pocket presence.

  5. 5 GEAGLE said at 12:43 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Yes and no… In theory, I wouldn’t put it past Chip to draft two QBs in this draft if they fall lol…I just think if BOrtles, Manziel! Carr fall, there will be too juicy trade down offers from teams trying to leap the Kansas City fatmans. So I could absolutely see Chip want to draft a QB, but I doubt he,can turn down trade offers to draft BOrtles…but if for some crazy reason no one wants to trade up, sadly, i Chip would draft a QB

  6. 6 mtn_green said at 1:46 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    I think Chip has his QB toy. I don’t think Picking up Sanchez means chip is sour on Barkley. I think Chip is still high on Barkley and that Barkley will destroy defenses in preseason.

  7. 7 Anders said at 1:55 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Sanchez has nothing to do with it, Sanchez is a camp body and clip board holder.

    Consider all the Manziel rumors, maybe the Eagles really are looking for a QB and Bortles have all the tools and the size, he just need some mechanic fixing

  8. 8 shah8 said at 6:31 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Sanchez is not a camp body. That’s absurd. What Sanchez is, is a bad starting QB. If anything, Sanchez is insurance.

  9. 9 Ark87 said at 9:00 AM on May 6th, 2014:

    I shall let out an epic groan if we use our first overall pick on a RB. Use one of our few picks, and the most valuable of them, to get every reporter in the country calling Shady about the tweet he deleted shortly after the pick. This FO will truly have outsmarted itself if it made such a move (especially if they figure Shady isn’t a fit with his style and they could get a first round pick or something for him).

  10. 10 brza said at 9:39 AM on May 6th, 2014:

    I like Hyde as a player but seriously, a RB with the first pick would be the worst possible choice I could imagine for the Eagles. I’d rather they forget to turn in their draft card on time or pull a DItka and trade the house for Manziel than to suffer through the controversy that will spout if they take a HB in the first. If we thought the DJaccopalypse was a media circus wait till we get a whole season of HB controversy.

  11. 11 Anders said at 9:43 AM on May 6th, 2014:

    Cant be worse than 2007 and Kevin Kolb pick.

  12. 12 eagleyankfan said at 9:49 AM on May 6th, 2014:

    are you trying to rile the cage of the guy who keeps saying the Kolb pick was one of the best moves by the Eagles because they were able to trade him? smh.

  13. 13 Sokhar20 said at 11:49 AM on May 6th, 2014:

    That was immediately the comparison I thought of, and I’m not actually sure it couldn’t be worse. While fans were plenty pissed off, Donovan wasn’t arguably the best RB in the league, whereas I think an argument could be made for Shady. So while the Kolb thing was annoying, I’d actually consider this an even worse misallocation of resources. And with the fans still being kinda sore about the D-Jax debacle, I think this would turn out messier.
    So please, no damn RB’s early!

  14. 14 ceedubya9 said at 9:13 AM on May 6th, 2014:

    I like Seastrunk as an option, too.

  15. 15 GEAGLE said at 12:46 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Devonta Freeman.

  16. 16 eagleyankfan said at 9:32 AM on May 6th, 2014:

    Love your thinking “out of the box”. With Chip – you almost have to think that way. Nobody has a clue in the direction he’s going. I want Chip to find the best possible WR at 22. I see that position as the biggest need. Others say pass rush and other say safety etc. I can’t argue with any of that. Ok, I’d argue if someone wants a TE. Chip may not agree with any of us. I trust Chip in knowing if they should drop back or not. I’ll just be PO’d if he drops out of the first round and I spent all that time watching. LOL.

  17. 17 phillychuck said at 1:46 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Trade down twice–you should be able to end up with a high 2nd, 2 thirds, and three 4th rounders (round four is primo in this draft). I’d also trade a future 4th for a high 5th this year.

    Your highest priority on all those picks should be WR and pass rush (either OLB or DE). Draft a great CB or Mason if they fall to you.

    WR: (get two if possible, not listing rd 1 picks)

    OLB/DE (again, two if possible)
    Van Noy
    Marcus Smith

    fill out the draft with a couple O-Lineman (some good guards should last until rd 4) and a couple d-backs (good ones should be there in round 5). Kicker in rd 7?

  18. 18 eagleyankfan said at 2:06 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Can’t argue with that scenario either. If the Eagles drop out of round 1, I’d be force to watch the draft just to see the kid that showed up and wasn’t drafted.

  19. 19 phillychuck said at 2:15 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    I’d want to see who was there at 22, too. If Barr or a primo receiver falls I don’t trade down, at least in round 1.

  20. 20 RC5000 said at 9:35 AM on May 6th, 2014:

    No Hyde. He’s going to be 23 in September. He is about 3 years younger than Shady. That is old for a back taken in the first round. They have short life spans as it is which is one reason they don’t get drafted high much.
    Howie has talked about them taking older players and how they need to be aware of that more. Just not a good use of their draft resources. We need to get some younger players if we can.
    That’s another thing I like about Tre Mason. He’s only going to be 21 in August.

  21. 21 Anders said at 9:43 AM on May 6th, 2014:

    One of the reasons Benjamin and Hageman scares me. Maclin is only 3 years older than Benjamin and Hageman is actually older than Cox.
    (Should be noted Lee is also an older WR, but he has far better college production than Benjamin).
    Also why I like a prospect like Attaochu, he is only 21.

  22. 22 GEAGLE said at 12:40 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Yeah with the emphasis we put on building a program for the long haul, and the emphasis we put on our coaches ability as “teachers” I can’t see Chip going with guys like Hageman, KB and McGill.. Not when you can get super athletes who aren’t even 21 years old yet like A-Rob…

    We saw how awesome it is to get young Talent. We had Cox for 33’games already and he is barely 22 lol Shady has been here since Westbrook and he is still like 25…With a coaching staff dedicated to teaching and “coaching up” young players I think we will try to get em young this year….plus I feel like if we were going to pass on 20yr olds, we should be getting polished players with much less questions than KB,Hageman or McGill.

  23. 23 lcwboyboy said at 9:51 AM on May 6th, 2014:

    This is a fun read, even though it is riddled with grammatical and spelling errors:


  24. 24 Anders said at 9:58 AM on May 6th, 2014:

    The errors are on purpose

  25. 25 lcwboyboy said at 10:24 AM on May 6th, 2014:

    I thought maybe that was the case but I wasn’t sure why that would be. I was skimming the article and am admittedly, not very familiar with that writer.

  26. 26 Anders said at 10:26 AM on May 6th, 2014:

    I re-read it, this wasnt one of the time. He often makes fun of PFT hence his user name

  27. 27 Ben Hert said at 12:41 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    that guy is truly a comedic genius. Every single post he makes has me in borderline tears at work.

  28. 28 GermanEagle said at 9:59 AM on May 6th, 2014:

    Let’s hope Howie and Chippah are good at playing Hyde & Seek when the Eagles say no to Carlos in the first two rounds.

  29. 29 lcwboyboy said at 10:28 AM on May 6th, 2014:

    We know that Tommy doesn’t like Benjamin. Who are everyone else’s “please don’t draft that guy” player? For me, I can get on board with just about anything other than a QB. I would say RB too but I really don’t see that happening.

    All I know is that Thursday can’t get here fast enough.

  30. 30 Anders said at 10:32 AM on May 6th, 2014:

    Calvin Pryor and Jordan Matthews do not do anything for me.

    Im not a big fan of Dee Ford as a fit for us (but like watching him play) and I have my reservations with Justin Gilbert

  31. 31 lcwboyboy said at 10:41 AM on May 6th, 2014:

    I’m with you on Matthews. I know Kiper is mocking him to us but I don’t realistically see him going that early anyway. I worry about Ford being a one-trick pony. My biggest issue with Gilbert is just how much can he contribute this year.

  32. 32 Mac said at 11:27 AM on May 6th, 2014:

    I have the sneaky suspicion that Dee Ford will be drafted at a spot similar to Vinny Curry (a 4-3 team that has to take him based on being a value pick).

  33. 33 GEAGLE said at 6:56 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Same…Kony Ealy is curious…scouts are slamming him calling him “the classic con man” “already thinks is Aldon smith” “is a player you want someone else to draft”…”could be ok if you put a boot to his ass”…normally I’d assume misinfo, but if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck…wonder where he gets picked..

    I have a feeling draft will go drastically different than we are expecting, with guys like Lewan,ODB,Aaron Donald all going in the top 10

  34. 34 Insomniac said at 4:26 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Calvin Pryor

  35. 35 Tom W said at 10:58 AM on May 6th, 2014:

    Unless Barr, Mosley, haha, odb falls we trading back … Chiefs
    helped us out by discussing they may look at qb early although they don’t have a second and may want to trade back too. Ravens could trade back too and steal a trade partner for us like the niners.

    Niners are a good possible trade partner unless they really really want ODB or the best corner bc they will move up to atleast 13 and the rams . Browns want a third first and have alot of ammo to come to 22 which I assume would be the lowest pick they would consider bc they already have 26. They may be thinking they have to get in front of the cards to get carr or teddy.
    They are possible. Houston. Jags raiders bucs titans. All
    possible candidates for a trade up. Bortles and manzel gone by 13.
    Browns want Carr and rumors bengals may want teddy. 22 is the perfect
    spot. If niners want a top 3corner we are in perfect spot for a trade.

    Ideally, we trade w the vikes and get an early 2 3 and 4 in exchange for 22 and our 5th. And vikes still have a third so it’s possible. They had great success last year trading up for Patterson. If they want a qb like Carr or Fuller, 22 is a nice spot to trade up.

    W the extra picks, Chip gets his offensive wildcards in a rb, second early wr, and te.

    Early 2) Cody Latimer
    Late 2) Marcus smith
    Early 3) Donte Moncrief
    Late 3) Tre Mason
    Early 4) Christian Jones (weed)
    Trade back 4.22 for a 5, 6, 7
    mid 5) Antone Exum or Dontae Johnson or Aaron Colvin or Terence Mitchell
    Mid 6) Shamar Stephen or Deandre Coleman
    7) Colt Lyeria
    7) Trey Hopkins

  36. 36 GEAGLE said at 12:04 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Howie has a poison pill for this draft, and is so desperate for more picks that be undercuts the market..what I mean is, even if teams don’t use the chart their is a consensus for what appropriate value is in trades. So if all GMs know that moving up to 17-25 range from 30 cost an extra 3rd..Howie could be so desperate for the Niners to Choose us as the trade partner that he screws up the market and tells the Niners he will take a 4th to move back…if we want a 3rd and the cardinals sitting at 20 want a 3rd, naturally Baalke won’t choose us..but if we don’t want anyone at 22, and wll end up reaching for someone we could have at 30, I’d rather see Howie trade back and get a 4th, than stay put because we demanded a 3rd..you can still do some damage with an extra 4th in this draft..and only having 6 picks is absurd(we are used to like 10-13)…whatever Howie needs to do to draft more than 6 guys. Fine by me

  37. 37 D3Center said at 1:09 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    I wouldn’t count on Marcus Smith being there at 54. There are far too few good OLBs in the draft and he’d be my third choice in the draft. I think a lot of teams will have him much more highly rated than the pundits and I wouldn’t be upset taking him at 22.

  38. 38 GEAGLE said at 2:49 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    I think this draft is going to be a major shock. I think it’s going to be drastically different than all the mocks we see..with guys who we don’t expect going in round 1

  39. 39 mtn_green said at 11:22 AM on May 6th, 2014:

    I like tre mason much better. Somehow Tre stays north south but has shiftiness.
    Hyde seems like a tougher Bryce Brown. Hyde has jets once he sees daylight and just hits the hole and breaks arm tackles.

  40. 40 GEAGLE said at 11:57 AM on May 6th, 2014:

    Cossel,also LOVES Moncreif seeing him as the next Josh Gordon or Demaryious type. if he were 23years old, I would disagree…but at the age of 20, he still has time for it to all click, and if a good coach can get that out of him, he can grow into a monster. For that kid, it will all come down to his work ethic, passion, desire to be the best. If he lives the game, I’m sure we will consider him….but he isn’t ready to step on the field and dominate, so if his passion and drive don’t jump out and smack you in the face, then we can’t draft him..

    Cossel thinks KB is a better prospect than Evans..I wouldn’t bet on that. I feel like KB should be way more polished than he is at the age of 23…how can I value the 3 inches in height he has over A Rob or Momcreif, more than I value that those kids are 3 years younger?..so while I don’t love KB at all, I think Evans might be over rated. he can be a beast in the right situation, but let’s not pretend that there isn’t a lot of projecting with him as well. For starters, he only ran like 3 routes at A and M. KB is way ahead of him in terms of the route tree. Another thing NO one ever wants to talk about is Evans ONLY lines up on the right…dude ran 3 routes on the right side and people act like he is this can’t miss Ajj green.,,Chip would have a ton of projecting to do if he wants to put Evans in an offense that moves players all over the place. Now for some players, in some situation they can get away with it. Marvin Harrison only lined on the right and it worked because Wayne only lined up on the left,…..Evans could go on to be the next Vincent Jackson, but I think both Evans and KB have many questions that need to be answered, and I don’t see Chip Kelly absolutely loving either of them..

    Cossel also is really intruiged by Martevis Bryant, who I tried to watch, but just bores and frustrates me,.. He thinks he could have one off the heigjest ceilings in this entire draft,,.i don’t see it with that kid….but Wolff putrid college tape and his Eagles tape made me a believer in how much of a difference good coaching can make… Kid was a mess In college, running the wrong way lol, yet our coaches saw a 5″11 212lb athlete who ran a 4.44 and jumps out the stadium, touted for his high character and crazy work ethic and they figured they could turn him into a player…after seeing what our coaches did with a super athlete who didn’t have good college tape, if they want to take Martevis fine by me… I just personally don’t see it

  41. 41 Anders said at 12:42 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    In the 2nd round (or 3rd) and we cant get one of the top 6 WRs, I wouldnt mind a Moncrief. He has all the tools, but he needs some work with his hands.

    I might be inclined to prefer a Jeff Janis even in the 4th over most of the 2nd to 3rd round WRs.

  42. 42 GEAGLE said at 12:50 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    If we are able to trade back to 30-35 and get an extra 3rd, I’d be down to see us draft 2 pass catchers, since we still have our 2 and 3 for a OLB and ILB..

    I would really LOVE Mncreif if he was the 2nd WR we drafted…take .Cody or Arod at 30, and Moncreif with that extra pick in the beginning of round 3…heck, if we end up with Moncreif as our 2nd WR, I’d be ok with Chip taking Lee at 30 if he is still on the board…

    Kind of weird that we didn’t show any INTERST in davonte Adams…what’s up with that?

  43. 43 ACViking said at 4:32 PM on May 6th, 2014:


  44. 44 GEAGLE said at 2:42 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Love Janis…wouldn’t complain about getting him in the 4th..
    No clue what round he gets drafted In tho…for me round 4 should be spent on:
    Brent urban
    Dontae Johnson
    Jarvis Lamdry…think getting him in the 4th would be a steal

  45. 45 cliff henny said at 1:57 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    ha, that 3rd paragraph, think you plagiarized one of my posts. have to keep an eye on you Johnny now that you taken your talents to IB-land. now, you just have to post a rant on Brown being ‘once a fumbler, always a fumbler’.

  46. 46 GEAGLE said at 2:31 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    What? Wolffs college,tape? It’s true..I don’t even think it’s an opinion. His college tape is friggin unwatchable 😉 thought about you while I typed it, if you posted on here more I would have quoted you lol..so I guess it constitues plagerism 🙂
    Your just mad I took your boy Evans to task

  47. 47 D3FB said at 4:09 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    I’m gonna have to stronly disagree about Wolff’s tape being “unwatchable”. I like Wolff as a player but I don’t have a mancrush on him so I just went back and rewatched his tape. I would put a fourth round grade on him. He was a little inconsistent and his instincts were occasionally a split second slow, but most of the time when he was late reacting it was against some kind of complex look with several fakes built in so I wouldn’t be too harsh. He had one or two bad plays a game, but had more good than bad plays, and had a ton of solid quality plays. He missed a few tackles but they were on Gio Bennard and Andre Ellington two of the best backs in last years class who are both highly elusive. That’s far from unwatchable, you make it sound like on tape alone he should be a UDFA or camp body, that couldn’t be further from the truth. So this “He’s unwatchable, his tape is garbage” is ridiculous.
    As far as Dowling, he’s the Logan Thomas of the safety position. Great measurables and athleticism and if you just looked at that stuff and his highlight reel plays you would think he would be a stud. But tape don’t lie and he’s consistently more bad then good. He has the tape of a late flyer or UDFA type and that’s before you add in the character stuff.

  48. 48 GEAGLE said at 5:50 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Dowling isn’t getting drafted..he is a developmental UDFA pick. 6’3 195lbs 33.5 arms, track star. Quality ST player. Frame to Bulk up 15lbs.. Would love to see us bring him into camp and see if he can claw and scratch his way onto our roster, and show enough to be worth continuing to develop. This year for me should be about fortifying the front 7..so I’d rather just add a few DBs late..the earliest I would go DB is Dontae Johnson in the 4th, then draft Exum and later we can figure out if we want to play them at safety….hope Avery Patterson goes Undrafted because u know he will sign with us. Take an Undrafted Flier on Dowling..,

    And in 2015, that’s when we can start adding DBs early, along with OL

  49. 49 D3FB said at 6:02 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    The main point was stop saying Earl’s tape is unwatchable because it’s silly, false, and hyperbole. If you want a seventh round UDFA safety, forget Dowling. Shamiel Gary is the guy you want. 6’0, 210lbs, freshman all-American at Wyoming. Transfered to Oklahoma State after his Sophomore year because he’s from Tulsa and his grandmother had cancer so he wanted to be around to help the family. Sat out a year and proceeded to start the next two for the Cowboys. He’s a good tackler, he has some pop. Played alot of man due to the amount of spread played in the Big 12. He’s pretty good at it. Solid in deep zone and good against the run. I have a third round grade on him. He’s considered a UDFA. Massive value play because he switched schools and was banged up a bit this year and missed some time.


  50. 50 GEAGLE said at 6:48 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Unwatchable to me….and I tried on multiple occasions….dude runs a 4.4 and went in the 5th round, obviously his tape wasn’t that great lol…I find Martevis tape unwatchable, yet he will go top 100 and plenty of people like him..what’s the point? I thought Ziggy was unwatchable and every time I tried I ended up watching KVN yet he was a top 5 pick..all subjective,..hated watching Wolff..loved watching Dexter McCoil UDFA..that doesn’t mean I think Dexter is better….

    What a prospect did in college barely matters

  51. 51 GEAGLE said at 12:06 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    I don’t like it. But I don’t at all rule out Chip taking a RB…I would just assume it would be Tre Mason. Hyde isn’t bad, but Mason is perfect,,,also think you are better off taking a kid like Devonta from FSU in like the 4th instead of going Hyde early..

  52. 52 Anders said at 12:40 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    I prefer Mason as well.

  53. 53 GEAGLE said at 12:53 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    He could fall a bit due to his wrist needing to b fused. Most teams need their RB to play day 1 when they draft him high..if he falls a bit, we could capitalize

  54. 54 D3FB said at 1:08 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Ka’deem to me is an even better fit than Mason. If you run a spread zone based running scheme I just don’t think you can do better than Ka’deem the dream.

  55. 55 Baloophi said at 12:06 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    NEED 31…



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  56. 56 Tumtum said at 2:44 PM on May 6th, 2014:


    *edit* ok i guess not one according to top of your msg. Didn't see any other replies.

  57. 57 Baloophi said at 12:09 AM on May 7th, 2014:

    I’m confused by the edit, Tumtum… are you in the challenge?

  58. 58 GEAGLE said at 12:07 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Anyone feel strongly that they know who a certain team picking ahead if us will take? So far, I think I have:
    1) Taylor Lewan to the Raiders
    2) Aaron Donald to Vikings
    3) Fuller to the Titans
    4) Gilbert to the Lions

    Any other names I can add?

  59. 59 Anders said at 12:37 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    The name I most see is Barr to the Titants, and Martin to the Giants.

  60. 60 GEAGLE said at 12:59 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Yeah I see Barr to titans too, but they just lost a star CB to free agency, and I have a feeling the NFL will like Fuller more than us mockers think,..if the Rams didn’t invest high picks in CB already, you know fisher would love Fuller. He is like his ideal CB.. Martin would be a damn good pick for the giants, but they have so many holes. Who knows….I assume giants fans want Ebron….
    What other CB do the jets have beside Milner? They may need a corner, they may need a safety and no one ever talks about that. Trying to mock this draft is so damn hard..starting to see mocks with Stanly j Baptisfe sneaking into the end of round 1..

    Starting to worry Marcus and Attaucho go in round 1…well if I’m worried about that, could the Eagles take one at 22? Have a feeling reality is going to be completely different than all our predictions this year

  61. 61 Anders said at 1:54 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Most Giants fans do not want Ebron but would love Martin.

    Titans need both OLB and CB, but Barr’s coach from UCLA is on the defensive staff for the Titans.

    Jets would be best of with HaHa or a WR like Lee.

    SJB is a 3rd round CB at best imo

    I have seen people say Smith and Attaucho as late 1st or early 2nd, but Im not comfortable with drafting them that high

  62. 62 GEAGLE said at 2:47 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Could def see Ray Horton liking Barr

    Giants need help on both sides of the trenches…Even giants were smart enough to draft a young back up(Nassib) how much longer can jerry Jones afford to wait before he drafts a young QB? They need help on both sides of trenches…their entire secondary should be put down by a firing squad and start building a new one….redskins as usually have all the pretty decorations, but lack meet and potatoes..,

  63. 63 76mustang said at 3:07 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Who do you have Matthews and Robinson going to?

    I could see Evans to the Bucs, though Lovie loves him some D players and I’m not certain how much pull Tedford will have in the draft room.

  64. 64 GEAGLE said at 3:19 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    No idea…you would think one of the OT to the rams is a no BRAINER, but fisher never really built teams drafting OTs high. He usually got tackles in later rounds, if they do take a tackle, I’m a assuming he takes Mathews bloodline over Robinson…if the Texans don’t take Clowney, the only play with a high enough ceiling is Robinson……don’t sleep on Atlanta trading up for OT even if everyone assumes it’s pass rush..,Bucs are rumored to trade Glennon, so many teams need QBs, who takes a QB early and who decides to wait til round two will dictate a lot….
    I’m assuming Jax goes with Clowney,Mack of sammy
    Wouldn’t be surprised if we see a shocker like OBJ getting picked before Evans

  65. 65 GEAGLE said at 12:33 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    I can’t put it past Chip to take a RB, but it’s really hard to agree with it. If they do draft a RB than they better recoup a 6th for trading Bryce..but Bryce was drafted as raw investment that we knew would need time to groom. What was the point of drafting him if you give up on him at this point? Sounds dumb to me. He wasn’t supposed to pay off yet. His rookie year was the first time he played in years, and his sophmore year we switched him to a completely foreign system..I just think we would be Braindead to give up on him now, when this is the year we should finally get to find out what we have in him. Kid is a talent, and I want to see what our coaches can do I with him given another summer….we have, shady, Sproles and Polk so we are set in terms of stop gap, no reason we have to rush another talented running back in and give up on Bryce after we just put tpe years into him…

    Same thing with the safety position. I am not a believer in Nate but we jerked him around for years. I feel fortunate that we get to finally see what he can do with some continuity after all the years we put up with his crap…Wolff is 5″11 215lbs runs a 4.44, 40inch vertical and is touted for his work ethic and character. I think we would be wise to see what we really have in Wolff, Nate, Polk and Bryce this year! and if we aren’t satisfied! we can address those positions next year, as well as getting younger at CB and OL…that leaves this year to fortify our front 7 and stock pile FOles arsenal of weapons…

  66. 66 anon said at 4:29 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    kelly didn’t draft bryce or nate, that’s the difference. i like bryce, but i liked desean too.

  67. 67 GEAGLE said at 5:42 PM on May 6th, 2014:


  68. 68 anon said at 8:54 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Yup, really. To your first para. i think that’s why Bryce (or any other Reid guy) isn’t safe. Most head coaches don’t feel tied to guys drafted by former coaches.

    Is it that crazy?

  69. 69 D3FB said at 1:43 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Carlos Hyde? The guy who threw a left hook on a female in a club and got suspended for three games? Not sure he fits the character ideals Chip is looking for.

  70. 70 cliff henny said at 1:52 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    had to do more than that to get 3 games from Urban. Hernandez is stacking dead bodies up and down the coast, plus trying hard to add to the count while in jail. think Meyer popped him for a half, once.

  71. 71 D3FB said at 2:27 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    The video got leaked, and it was really embarrasing for the team. Urban is trying to make people he’s not a joke in the punishment department anymore.

  72. 72 anon said at 4:28 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    he and harbaugh.

  73. 73 GEAGLE said at 2:28 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    I wanna know wtf my boy Jonathon Dowling had to do to get kicked off an urban Meyer team? Dude was a top safety coming out of high school..Transfered to western Kentucky, knocked dudes heads off, returned int and ST TDs and stacked up 9ints and 8 FF in two years,,,6’3 195 4.5..get me that kid in round 6 and screw character lol

  74. 74 Joe Minx said at 1:55 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    No Big 10 RBs.

    The end.

  75. 75 A Roy said at 2:00 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    But we had such luck with Tony Hunt.

  76. 76 Mike Flick said at 2:00 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Wasn’t that Benie Wells?

  77. 77 BobSmith77 said at 2:40 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Trading pack and making a RB the first pick? Yuck. I don’t begin to know or follow the draft but the only 2 things I wouldn’t want the Eagles do is to trade up to take a big WR & pay a hefty price and trade back and do something like this (pick up a RB with the 1st pick).

  78. 78 GEAGLE said at 3:26 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Praying the Carfinals trade up, or they could be a major thorn in our side..not just stealing a falling Barr..but if a QB starts to fall, teams that want of trade up for that QB will have to jump the cardinals and trade up to 18 or 19…but if cardinals move up for maybe a CB or Mosley, than Cleveland will want to jump KC for a QB and trade down to 22..or we could see the texans or a team like raiders or Vikings in round two want to jump Clevland and KC and trade up to 22…but teams will perceive cardinals as competition for a falling QB so instead of teams wanting to tred up to 22, they will want to trade up to 19…

  79. 79 anon said at 4:26 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    I like it, but why not take blount for $1mm/yr. same player and he had experience in the scheme.

  80. 80 ACViking said at 4:37 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Maybe not signing Blount says plenty — given Kelly’s experience w/ him

  81. 81 Insomniac said at 5:54 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Maybe we like our RBs cheap and young?

  82. 82 Media Mike said at 7:49 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    But how great would it be if Blount punched DeAngelo Hall in the face……………or some loser in an Eli jersey?

  83. 83 BreakinAnklez said at 8:50 PM on May 7th, 2014:

    Can’t stand D-Hall the player. Lot more tolerable as a person off the field, surprisingly.

  84. 84 ACViking said at 4:35 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Re: Davante Adams?

    GEagle asked why no apparent interest by the Birds in the Fresno State WR.

    Kelly had a close-up view of Adams in action during Week 2 of the 2012 season.

    Oregon beat Fresno State 42-25.

    Adams had 12 catches but for only 92 yards.

    (Compare that to what Kelly saw Marqise Lee do to his vaunted Ducks defense with two years running.)

    Terrence Mitchell had a big game against Fresno State.

    So did Boseko Lokombo — 3 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 SK, 2 PDs


  85. 85 Anders said at 4:49 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Lokombo is not a guy talked that much about, but I could see the Eagles add him as ILB depth (I think he projects as a very late round or UDFA). He has the length Kelly likes.

  86. 86 Insomniac said at 5:25 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    I don’t see it. He’s extremely underweight for a ILB.

  87. 87 D3FB said at 5:53 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    And he played OLB, the on the line/or out in space variety.

  88. 88 Maggie said at 6:46 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    So was Jack Lambert.

  89. 89 GEAGLE said at 5:41 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Love to see him in camp with us…kid can move, league evolving to the lighter LBs that can move..,could see him developing into a subpackage cover guy down the line…hoping Lokombo and Avery Patterson go Undrafted because you know they will sign with us…

  90. 90 GEAGLE said at 5:40 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Thank you sir…

  91. 91 GEAGLE said at 6:45 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Strongly suggest fans checking out Cary “bad cop” Williams in studio with Spadaro. Very cool interview. Think fans and media are completely wrong about Cary and I have a feeling both him and Brad will be restructured to stay an extra year or two.
    He talked about the importance of locker room and how right now our locker room is almost as strong as the ravens was when they won it…we hear coaches and GM talk about the importance of the locker room, but it’s good to hear our accomplished Vets confirming it’s importance…he was asked about FOles and he seems like a big fan, calling him a flat our winner who takes his job serious and is everything you could want from a franchise QB…
    Relly cool interview worth checking out in PE.com video section…FOles, and Lane were also in studio…
    The other night Boykin tweeted a pick of him, Cary,wolf,Carroll,Maragos,and Brad out bowling…nice change from our cornerbacks eating alone in their car

  92. 92 Media Mike said at 7:38 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Cosell is the foremost expert on quarterbacking in the analyst world, but I don’t care for his work as much on other positions.

    Nothing quite like hearing Kaepernick ripped for being a “read one and run” quarterback.

  93. 93 GEAGLE said at 8:41 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Pray Manziel goes to the jags so cox,curry,Barwin, Kendricks can be the first to hit him!!

  94. 94 Baloophi said at 8:07 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    *** L.A. DRAFT PARTY! ***
    Thursday, 4:30pm
    Public House 1739
    1745 North Vermont Avenue
    Los Angeles, CA 90027

    Attention Los Angeles area friends: laeagle and I will be gathering together Thursday at Public House 1739 to watch the draft, drink some beer, and heckle other teams’ selections. This hallowed tradition can trace its roots all the way back to last year when we did the exact same thing.

    All are welcome, and there’s even a rumor that AC Viking is making the cross-country trek to join us / host a narrated Segway tour of historic Los Angeles highlighting the city’s turbulent transition from desolate Spanish missionary to fertile orchards to fossil-enriched oilfields to silicone-enhanced sound-stages. Did I just start that rumor right now? Yes, but that tour sounds pretty sweet, right?

    Public House is a surprisingly cavernous tavern but you’ll be able to find us easily because I’ve acquired a secret weapon: an Eagles helmet phone. We have no idea how it will come into play during the draft, but we’re both confident it will somehow prove essential.

  95. 95 GEAGLE said at 8:52 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Mike Evans only ran 3 routes at A&M and only lined up on the right side,,could the eagles like him that much, having to project him running our routes in an offense that will ask him to line up all over the place? I call smokescreen and we have no interest..

    “The people at Auburn don’t believe Ford can play OLB” so the eagles would have to project him lining up on the right side, project dropping in zone coverage and project rushing standing up? And the kid is running around talking about he thinks we are the most interested? I’m calling BS smoke screen on that too..specially when there is plenty of tape of talents like Marcus and Attaucho playing as a DE and OLB which is a prerequisite for playing on the edge for the birds..
    Brandin Cooks: by chips definition he has a chance to be good but not elite,.why would we draft him over prospects with the rare size/speed combo our HC believes is what makes an elite NFL WR? He will he one of the top 5 rookie WR, but he isn’t even close to top 5 in ceiling 3 years from now at the WR position.,I call BS smoke screen on him too..
    KB, Hageman, McGill.. Ages 23-25, not polished enough to draft kids their age. If we are going to pass on elite 20yr old prospects, it should be for a developed game ready prospect who we have few questions about.

    Ebron…all the talent, high Maintence, selfish, MEsean personality. We didn’t bring him in for a visit in case he fell…

    Those are players I feel like we can cross off our eagles board

  96. 96 Insomniac said at 8:59 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    I know I’m in the minority but Evans is overrated.

  97. 97 GEAGLE said at 9:04 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Think ODB could be drafted before him

  98. 98 Insomniac said at 9:11 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    I wouldn’t bet against it. Evans is sink or swim.

  99. 99 anon said at 9:17 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Polian commented that both Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne were one side players. Seattle’s corners only play on one side — you think they would be lost in our system?

    If you can’t coach a WR to run routes what is your WR coach doing? I think that’s where Kelly talks about work ethic and smarts — things that tie into coach-ability.

  100. 100 GEAGLE said at 8:53 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Charlie casserly says Calvin Pryor is a better safety prospect than Vaccaro and Reid? Interesting…

  101. 101 anon said at 9:11 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    That Vaccaro statement might have some 20/20 hindsight in it.

  102. 102 Mac said at 9:15 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    We need to find some way to set up a gentleman’s wager of $1 between Tommy and Cosell on this Benjamin issue.

  103. 103 ICDogg said at 10:10 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Benjamin is the Big Indian in One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest. 😀

  104. 104 ICDogg said at 10:16 PM on May 6th, 2014:


  105. 105 ICDogg said at 10:02 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    Ourlads has:

    22Brandin CooksWROregon State
    54Ra’Shede HagemanDTMinnesota
    86Carl BradfordLBArizona State
    122De’Anthony ThomasRB/WROregon
    169Sean ParkerSWashington
    237Anthony SteenOGAlabama

  106. 106 Rambler said at 10:13 PM on May 6th, 2014:

    I love Carlos Hyde… he was the Buckeyes’ best offensive player last year (I am not a Braxton Miller fan), and a true beast of a RB. I think he is going to be a real good pro. But I do not think he would be a good fit for the Eagles, and I worry about his longevity with his style of running. I think the Eagles would do better with someone with a little more shiftiness, and that runs decent routes out of the backfield.

  107. 107 jesse said at 12:02 AM on May 7th, 2014:

    As happy as I am with our season a part of me wishes we tanked it to get a higher pick lol . I mean how awesome would it be to have the for pick again this year? Who would you take at four? Or if we had 12 picks line we did in ’11 this year

  108. 108 Sconces said at 1:07 AM on May 7th, 2014:

    Tommy, don’t you feel like a lot of Shady’s cuts HELP the o-linemen? He does a great job at making defender run into blockers.