Something About Alex

Posted: August 24th, 2014 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 195 Comments »

Alex Henery is a hot topic, but for all the wrong reasons. In a summer where a lot of questions are getting positive answers, the Eagles kicking situation isn’t one of them. Henery missed a FG against the Pats. This week he missed a chip shot. What’s next?

The problem is that there isn’t an easy solution to this problem.

Some of you wonder why Chip Kelly didn’t address this in March. Why did a very smart coach keep Henery around? I don’t know the answer. It is obvious that Kelly and STs coach Dave Fipp must feel that Henery can be a good kicker. If they didn’t see the potential, they’d have made a move. Maybe Alex talked to them about making technique changes and everyone felt that would help him. Or maybe Henery has nude photos of Kelly and Fipp in a hot tub with the Kardashians.

My assumption, based on Kelly’s love of logic, is that they felt Henery was worth keeping because his flaws could be worked on. His kickoffs do seem better to me this summer. But now we’ve got the missed FGs. Ugh.

I do think Kelly, Fipp and Howie Roseman erred in not bringing in better competition. Carey Spear made for a good story for about a week, but he wasn’t a great kicker in college. He’s been bad in the NFL. He hasn’t challenged Henery at all.

But that is spilled milk. We need to focus on the problem and how to solve it or deal with it.

Cody Parkey is a total mystery. He will have a week to show what he can do. Then he’ll get some chances in the Jets game, but who knows how many that will be. A couple of kickoffs? You wonder if Kelly would be willing to intentionally stall drives at the 25-yard line so he could get live reps for Henery and Parkey. Am I insane for even thinking that?

Are there outside options?

First…let’s get one thing clear. We don’t want to cut Alex Henery as some kind of punishment. You have to let go of emotions and frustration. Anyone who says “Cut him. Anybody else would be an improvement” is speaking from the heart, but not the brain. We’re all frustrated, but the worst thing the Eagles could do would be to just cut Henery for the heck of it. There are worse kickers out there.

The whole point here is to see if there is a way to improve the situation.

Jimmy Bama wrote about a possible solution the other day. That would be Dustin Hopkins of the Bills.

That would leave second year kicker Dustin Hopkins on the outside looking in. Hopkins was drafted in the sixth round of the 2013 draft, and he beat out Rian Lindell for the starting job after a perfect (six for six) preseason. Unfortunately, Hopkins injured his groin, the Bills signed Carpenter, Hopkins was placed on IR, and has still yet to kick in the regular season.

In terms of leg strength, Hopkins is everything Henery is not. In his final season at Florida State, Hopkins hit five of six field goal attempts from outside 50 yards. For his college career, he was nine of 15.

Hopkins is also considered a weapon on kickoffs. In the Bills’ first preseason game against the Giants, Hopkins produced touchbacks on all four of his kickoffs.

Will Hopkins be available?  Per a Buffalo reporter, here is his roster situation.

Dustin Hopkins: Do the Bills really need a kickoff specialist? Hopkins’ job depends on it. He had touchbacks on four of his six kickoffs in the first two preseason games before a groin injury sidelined him last weekend. If Hopkins is healthy enough to kick Saturday, it might be his last chance to make his case as the kickoff man. Most teams only carry one kicker, andDan Carpenter has proven capable enough on kickoffs.

Hopkins did play against Tampa. He had 3 kickoffs. One went for a touchback.

Can he be trusted to make field goals?

Elliot Shorr-Parks wrote about other candidates. As he put it, it’s not pretty.

Rob Bironas:
Even though he is 36-years old, Bironas would certainly qualify as a “win-now” kicker. Bironas went 25 of 29 last season with the Tennessee Titans, including two of three from beyond 50 yards. Bironas does have some playoff experience, but he has gone three of five in two playoff appearances — including one miss in a 13-10 loss to the Baltimore Ravens when he was with Tennessee.

David Akers:
Akers is not the same kicker he used to be during his long stint in Philadelphia from 1999-2010, but he did knock in all three of his attempts from 50-plus yards last season with Detroit. Akers’ accuracy from that deep is impressive, but he forced less touchbacks than Henery did last season, which is one of the Eagles’ main problem with their current kicker. A reunion would be a nice story, however.

Rian Lindell:
Lindell has the strongest leg among these free agent options. The 37-year old hit four of his six attempts from 50-plus yards last season. Lindell did have his accuracy issues, however, missing four kicks between 30 to 49 yards.

Forget about Akers. He is done as a kicker. I love the guy, but Henery is the better PK right now.

I’m fine with bringing in Bironas. Have him, Henery and anyone else have a kicking competition at The Linc. Go with the guy who wins it.

I am fine with the Eagles taking a chance on a young guy like Hopkins or a vet like Bironas if they feel those guys will legitimately be better than Henery. If not, we may have to wait for the offseason.

You don’t just get rid of Henery. You need someone that can do a better job to replace him.

Any other names out there that you guys have dug up?


195 Comments on “Something About Alex”

  1. 1 juaniflaco said at 11:19 AM on August 24th, 2014:

    apparently the other guy in the Giants camp is really good, so has Josh Brown been. One of those guys will be let go. Ditto New Orleans. There will be options.

  2. 2 GEAGLE said at 12:17 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Yeah I was watching the young kicker on New Orleans last night.,,shayne Graham played the first quarter and then the rookie took over….
    The handling of Alex is chips biggest mistake since arriving in philly. Made a big mistake this summer thinking he could just rehabilitate henrey without having him compete for his job… The kicker with the cool nickname who’s best attribute as a kicker is tackling was never really competition….. Kicking is one of the most high pressure positions in football. I get that we believed in Alex and wanted to rehabilitate him, but we shouldn’t have given him a free pass. If we want Alex to be our Longterm kicker than we should do everything in our power to constantly test him, make it hard on him, try our hardest to make him fail..if he survives and constantly beats out his competition we will probably have a decent kicker on our hands who can handle pressure situations… Instead this kid has been friggin babies since he came into the NFL… 4th round pick who Andy used to not let attempt kicks from 50 yards. Years later and the new coach is babying him, giving him a free pass by bringing in competition that we knew he would beat.

    Can’t be babying someone you will ask to come thru for year in crucial, high pressure situations with games and seasons hanging in the balance of your kicks…whoever the eagles kicker is, needs to be constantly pushed, constantly prove that he is the man for the job

  3. 3 joe said at 5:10 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    Dustin Hopkins was cut today.

  4. 4 Joe Minx said at 12:28 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Yep. Brandon McManus & Derek Dimke.

  5. 5 GEAGLE said at 12:34 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Figure half the teams in the leagues have two kickers right now, so ATleast 15 kickers will hit waivers in the next few weeks

  6. 6 Jernst said at 11:41 AM on August 24th, 2014:

    Not crazy about a kicker with reoccurring groin injuries either. Henery sucks, but having your kicker get injured mid season or even mid game can be devastating.

  7. 7 GEAGLE said at 1:25 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    I miss having a ju jitsu blackbelt as a kicker.. Instead we get this “murderleg” which is really a cheap “jaywalking leg” tough guy kicker knockoff

  8. 8 T_S_O_P said at 11:44 AM on August 24th, 2014:

    Anyone named Henery should have though better than wearing #6. Hen(e)ry 6 was an unstable fellow beset by periods of mental instability.

  9. 9 Baloophi said at 1:15 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Once again, T_S_O_P has hit it right on the nose… literally. Henery and Henry VI share an uncanny resemblance – one that suggests some sort of twisted, “Highlander” situation going on…

  10. 10 RobNE said at 3:16 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Props for Highlander. Wonder how one of those guys would do, they would always be 100% b/c they heal right away. But Connor nor Duncan seemed big enough to play pro ball.

  11. 11 A_T_G said at 4:33 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    There can only be one.

  12. 12 Dragon_Eagle said at 11:52 AM on August 24th, 2014:

    Part of what I think is really bothering people, myself included, is that Henery appears to be having mental issues with pressure kicks, at least recently. Our playoff loss to the Saints and Thursday – after we add a kicker – he duffs an easy one. Games, not to mention playoffs, are very often decided on a field goal. Right now, no one including Chip and Henery himself appear to have the confidence that he will come through when needed.

    There’s also Elliot Shorr-Parks. You forgot him.

  13. 13 wee2424 said at 12:13 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Agree. The crazy thing about it is when he got drafted Roseman and our then ST coach (forget name), kept on reiterating how much they loved him due to his mental toughness and how clutch he was. Said nothing could bother him or get in his head, and thats one of the things that made him special. Seems to me right now he has all kinds of stuff up in that head. We cant blame his problems on age or injury.

  14. 14 GEAGLE said at 12:36 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Starting to think he was only good in college because Ndomunkong made him fear for his life in the locker room.. He was kicking to survive at nebraska

  15. 15 wee2424 said at 1:52 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Good possibility

  16. 16 GEAGLE said at 12:08 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Denver’s stud kicker Prater suspended 4 or 5 games for Alcohol/DUI…. Denver has an uNdrfted rookie kicker but they are expected to be looking to add a veteran. If they cut Prater, it would be HUGE for us to pick him up as long as he can keep his drinking problem under control, signing him probably own would mean I have to stop referring to kickers as “drunk idiot kicker”. Not cool to joke about someone with a serious problem…

    But if they cut him, we need to pick him up deal with the suspension, ATleast we will have a quality kicker for the playoffs because right now we have a MAJOR point in getting hot in the playoffs and making a run if you don’t have a championship caliber kicker… Kicking is crucial in the playoffs. They have decided so many playoff games in the history of the sport
    this isn’t just a slump. Alex is probably a better kicker than he has shown, but he isn’t a championship kicker. You can’t win 4 close, high pressure games in a row against the best teams with Alex henrey..

    If Denver doesn’t cut Prater, they will pick up a veteran that they have to eventually cut in week 5 or 6…so we can keep an eye on their kicker, and see him on a 4-5 week audition… If we don’t like what we see from our kickers, and they kicker Denver has to cut is looking good, we can pounce on him when he gets cut…. One way or the other, Denver will provide an option in mid October. Ideally we will have an answer before then

  17. 17 wee2424 said at 12:15 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    I think we need to find an answer before weeks 4 or 5.

  18. 18 GEAGLE said at 12:23 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Dude, we needed to find an answer in March…talking about a potential “safety net”

    But prater is prob one of top kickers(tho I would like to see his stats kicking away from Denver’s thin air to be sure)… Even if Alex gets it together or we find a young kid who performs and beats out Alex henrey…. Fast forward to the playoffs, are we really going to have a kicker we trust more with the season on the line than Prater?… Playoffs aren’t new to him. It won’t be too big for him… What I have seen from Alex in the playoffs scares me.

    Rooting for Denver to find a vet they like enough to cut prater… If it were me, I would claim him immediately, keep whoever looks better Alex or Cody and cut them when Praters suspension is over..

  19. 19 Dragon_Eagle said at 12:25 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    More than half the teams in the league would put in an immediate claim for Prater. He’s an excellent kicker and set the distance record last year. Denver is not cutting him.

    letting Denver test drive Bironas while we see if Henery can get his head straight seems the likely outcome.

  20. 20 GEAGLE said at 12:29 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Never mind.. Read it wrong. Thought it said his track record is such that his spot should be in danger, but it said it’s shouldn’t be in danger..

    Question:. It says he is suspended for 4 games and it’s alcohol related. And that he has been in the league program since 2011 due to a DUI… If he didn’t get another DUI, how does he get in trouble for alcohol without getting arrested to the point where he is suspended for 4 games?

  21. 21 Dragon_Eagle said at 12:30 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Do we know it wasn’t another DUI?

  22. 22 GEAGLE said at 12:32 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    I mean, he wasn’t arrested

  23. 23 Dragon_Eagle said at 4:55 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Can’t find any details. Florio, in his usual conspiracy theory mode, speculates that Prater messed around with the testing procedure. I cannot possibly see the Broncos cutting Prater in any scenario.

  24. 24 GEAGLE said at 7:26 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    I don’t even understand the rumors…How do you fail a test for alcohol?.. They do PED and drug testing. Where does alcohol come into play unless their are arrests and DUI’s involved? Weird

  25. 25 LiamGarrett said at 8:54 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    I thought his people said he had only 2 beers while on vacation. I wonder how he got caught if that’s really the case.

  26. 26 Alex Karklins said at 12:12 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Well his name *is* Alex, which counts for something in my book. Also, I hear he is the only guy on the team who can procure Dave Fipp’s amphetamine of choice.

  27. 27 Baloophi said at 12:23 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Ray Finkle?

  28. 28 GEAGLE said at 12:33 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    I’d settle for Einhorn at this point

  29. 29 GEAGLE said at 12:33 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Rg3.. 20yards passing, INT, sacked 3 times.
    . Wonder how long it takes for Desean to show up to the facility wearing a “TEAM COUSINS”‘shirt???

    Combined stats, 141yards and 2 INTs this preseason

  30. 30 BreakinAnklez said at 11:00 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    It’s preseason…Philip Rivers was horrible in preseason last year and had a GREAT year…let’s wait and see…

    Although being a former DC resident, seeing him struggle again he would awesome. Skins fans are the worst

  31. 31 GEAGLE said at 1:13 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Chip says Barkley starts vs. jets and both FOles and Sanchez will sit out.
    Doubt many veterans would be happy about playing. Can’t really blame veterans for not wanting to risk their bodies for $2,000 per game, which is ALL every player makes for a preseason game…
    There are players who are used to making hundreds of thousands of dollars per game, can’t imagine all these guys are going all out in a preseason game making two grand

  32. 32 Raul Estrada said at 1:17 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Could it be the chemistry between the kicker, holder and/or snapper?

    Call it crazy, but when Koy was Akers’s holder, he was automatic. After he left, he wasn’t the same.

  33. 33 Pennguino said at 1:33 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Huge battle in Detroit for the kicker. Freese and Travecchio. Looks like Travecchio has a stronger leg. Missed a 67 yarder by 1 or two yards in practice. Looks like he competed against Akers in San Fran and then came to Detroit.

  34. 34 Pennguino said at 1:41 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Tommy, you are not crazy. I thought about them being off sides on KO coverage on purpose just to get more work in.

  35. 35 Midnight_Greenville said at 1:41 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    I want to see Chip have the team kneel down consecutively until 4th down every time they get in FG range this week. He can control the distance of the kicks by choosing what yard line they do it on. Would be genius. Get Henery and Parkey each at least one kick from 35, 45, 55. Would mean so much more to the team this year than having Barkley or Kinney throw to Pratt or handoff to Josey.

  36. 36 A_T_G said at 4:40 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Could you imagine buying a ticket to a preseason game, then having the visiting team repeatedly drive the field, only to kneel on the ball and attempt a field goal? They would be pissed. From home, I would love it. League officials would certainly disapprove.

  37. 37 RobNE said at 6:09 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Is it much different than not playing any starters? Don’t get me wrong, I don’t feel bad for season ticket holders. In my experience they sell half their tickets and make you buy a preseason game with the regular season game from them. Or they mark up like hell the regular season game. Which is fine, it’s a free market, but in the scheme of what is wrong with the NFL, I hate hearing every year how it’s so unfair the season ticket holders have to pay for the preseason.

    The no. 1 issue to me is access. I should be able to pay money to watch my Eagles from NE without having to get direct tv.

  38. 38 A_T_G said at 10:48 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    I think it is different. There is no expectation of seeing the starters in the last game, but everyone who attends a game has an expectation that the players on the field are giving their best effort.

  39. 39 Midnight_Greenville said at 8:56 AM on August 25th, 2014:

    The short answer is no, I cannot imagine buying a ticket to the 4th preseason game. But astute fans, which I think the Eagles have a lot of, would recognize that the kicker battle is by far the most compelling positional battle left and I think they would actually love to see that play out in a game where the rest of the play is almost meaningless.

  40. 40 A_T_G said at 3:05 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    You are right, it is at the Linc. I was thinking it was in New Jersey. I am sure the home fans would be much more accepting, although the booing might get pretty ugly and scar one (or both) of those kickers permanently.

    Still, I do not think the league would approve.

  41. 41 Midnight_Greenville said at 1:43 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    There must be some ex-Duck kickers out there. Can’t believe we haven’t signed one yet.

  42. 42 Crus57 said at 1:47 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    I don’t think we want to employ people who kick ducks. Or even kickers who used to be ducks.

  43. 43 Anders said at 3:42 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    You do not want an Oregon kicker ever (at least from Kelly era)

  44. 44 ACViking said at 4:08 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    absolutely right

  45. 45 Crus57 said at 1:51 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    My impression from watching Henery is that he doesn’t know where the ball is going to go once it leaves his foot. If I remember correctly his misses this year have been wide right, due to the ball not hooking left after about 30yds like his kicks usually have. By itself the non-hooking would probably be a good thing, giving a few more yards range through travelling a straighter path to the goal, but the fact this seems to take Henery by surprise is troubling.

  46. 46 Dominik said at 2:34 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    I’m fine with bringing in Bironas. Have him, Henery and anyone else have
    a kicking competition at The Linc. Go with the guy who wins it.

    Amen. Don’t get why Bironas wasn’t signed from us already. Does he really want too much money? The Titans let him go because his salary was too high, not because he had a bad season.

    I’m not saying he’s a great kicker, but I don’t get why we didn’t at least sign him and let him compete with Henery.

  47. 47 SteveH said at 3:11 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    A PK better than Henery? My great aunt Charlotte is still on the waiver wire.

  48. 48 Cafone said at 3:19 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    We should bring in Richie Incognito to toughen up Henery.

  49. 49 GEAGLE said at 3:41 PM on August 24th, 2014:


  50. 50 GEAGLE said at 3:48 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Skins cut OLB Rob Jackson… Must suck if that defense cuts you,,

    Jets starting CB dimitrof Patterson has gone AWOL and missed Fridays jets/giants game and no one knows where he is…WTF?!?!?

  51. 51 SteveH said at 5:40 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Weird about Patterson, wonder whats up with him.

  52. 52 GEAGLE said at 7:29 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Really Odd.. We should destroy all tapes of the patriots game and call up the jets offering Curtis marsh 🙂

  53. 53 ACViking said at 3:49 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Re: Homework Before Buying

    A couple points.

    First, no question that Alex Henery was a tremendous FG kicker in college. He had a career 89.5% mark — 94.5% his senior year.

    Henery missed a TOTAL of just 2 FGs in his career between 0-49 yards . . . going 63-65. (1 from 30-39 and 1 from 40-49.) Incredible numbers.

    From 50+, he was 5-11 — several in conditions mimicking late fall in the northeast.

    So Howie Roseman spent a 4th Round pick on him in 2011.

    Here’s what I didn’t know until this week . . . .

    Henery, in his entire 4-year college career, had a total of just seven (7) KICKOFFS.

    Not touchbacks.

    But total KOs . . . in 4 years.

    Nebraska had a kicker named Adi Kunalic whose specialty was kicking the ball through the end zone — regardless of which way the wind was blowing.

    QUESTION: Is it surprising that Henery’s not great on Kickoffs?

    I don’t remember Roseman or Reid mentioning that Henery did NOT handle kickoffs in college.

    Seems like something important. Maybe not.

    But knowing that he wasn’t even good enough at Nebraska to handle that job in college, it’s hard to fault the kid now for the inconsistent and short KOs.

    Missing FGs is another story.

    Second point.

    The Pats’ Steve Gostkowski seems like a great kicker. Big leg. Clutch kicks.
    In the past 5 years, he’s made just 75% of his FG attempts from 40-49.

    Before last year’s incredible 5-6 from 50+, he was 5 for 8.

    Henery’s been 84% from 40-49.

    Regardless . . . Eagles, there’s a problem.

  54. 54 GEAGLE said at 3:50 PM on August 24th, 2014:


  55. 55 ACViking said at 4:04 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Questo e cio che ho detto.

    Craziest thing I’ve learned in a long time.

  56. 56 GEAGLE said at 7:24 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    I thought it was a mistake and had to look it up for myself. Pazzesco

  57. 57 Anders said at 4:25 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    I think people are really overreacting to Henery right now.

  58. 58 Insomniac said at 5:21 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Nope. We have a large enough sample size to conclude that he’s not even average.

  59. 59 Anders said at 5:25 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Still, there is no better options on the market. People are seriously suggesting David Akers

  60. 60 eagleyankfan said at 10:20 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Also — maybe people are giving Fipp too much credit…

  61. 61 A_T_G said at 4:48 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    How is this the first I have read this, with the months of lamenting over his kick offs? Nice find.

  62. 62 All Things Bad@ss said at 9:47 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    That’s un-frickin’-believable! Wow.

  63. 63 McNabbulousness said at 11:59 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    some one find this Kunalic character and get him on the first flight to philly

  64. 64 Anders said at 4:35 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Dam the Niners offense is a hot mess right now. Getting zero push against the Chargers DL and Kapernick cant pass

  65. 65 GEAGLE said at 7:23 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    KAp def isn’t showing any improvement from the pocket…
    As if the defense isn’t missing enough, new safety bathea is battling concussion problems… Maybe San Fran is formidable against our run game, but FOles will light that defense up thru the air

  66. 66 Dragon_Eagle said at 4:38 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Mark Sanchez, Brandon Graham, and Alex Henery for Shaun Hill, Janoris Jenkins, Alex Carrington and Greg Zuerlein.

  67. 67 Dragon_Eagle said at 4:40 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Yes, that came from where the sun don’t shine.

  68. 68 Insomniac said at 5:19 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Heck I’d give them Sanchez for Zuerlein and a 5th, Henery is awful and I hate seeing how people want to defend him because it’s “irrational”..

  69. 69 McNabbulousness said at 11:56 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    i’d just love to have someone nick named “greg the leg” on our team

  70. 70 shah8 said at 5:00 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    OT: I feel terrible for Sam Bradford. Think his career is basically done.

  71. 71 Anders said at 5:00 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    I have a hard time feeling sorry for a guy who has made 10’s of millions by been bad at his job

  72. 72 shah8 said at 5:06 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Is it just oppositional with you?

    Sam Bradford was never really that bad. The close looks I’ve read suggests that he never really had a handle on deep balls. I’m allowed to sympathize with someone who tried as hard as they have to play well.

    Ponder on the other hand? He can go off and burn in the lake of fire for all I care. He’d get the Cassel in KC treatment if he was ever injured on the home field.

  73. 73 Anders said at 5:11 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    No we just seems to disagree a lot….

  74. 74 gherbox said at 12:55 AM on August 25th, 2014:

    Yeah I cant really feel sorry for someone who will have a higher standard of living than I can even understand for the rest of his life by being sub par

  75. 75 Mitchell said at 5:08 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Bring back Chas Henry!!!

  76. 76 McNabbulousness said at 11:55 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    this is not funny nor ever was funny

  77. 77 Mitchell said at 1:06 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    You’re right, we are all business here.

  78. 78 Arby1 said at 5:10 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    “Any other names out there that you guys have dug up?”
    Mama Deitz?

  79. 79 ACViking said at 5:13 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Re: Sam Bradford Injury . . . An Opportunity?

    Shah8 passed along the news about the unfortunate Bradford.

    Has me wondering . . . .

    The Rams have a pretty good defense; certainly, one of the best pass-rushing D-lines in a league entering a season where a team’s pass rush will matter a whole lot more.

    The Rams’ #2 QB is the sub-journeyman Shaun Hill.
    (That makes him slightly better than an apprentice).

    The Rams have no chance . . . no chance . . . to win anything with Hill at QB.


    If you’re the Rams’ GM, Les Snead, do you make a move to acquire Mark Sanchez?

    I think Snead at least has to make a call to Roseman.

    And . . . I think Roseman would be remiss if he doesn’t call Snead to explore options.

    If the Rams put a No. 2 in 2015 on the table, should the Birds make the move? Would it be the smart move?

  80. 80 Alex Karklins said at 5:17 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Chip Kelly has stated that you need two QBs in this league. If they trade Sanchez, they would have one. I think the price would have to be even higher than a #2 at this point. Which is crazy, considering I was embarrassed that the Eagles even took a chance on Sanchez in the first place.

  81. 81 ACViking said at 5:22 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    That’s really the question.

    Is a 2nd Rd pick for a 1-year rental of a back-up QB enough to part company with a guy who’ll be gone in 6 months?

  82. 82 SteveH said at 5:38 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    If they feel like they’re ready to be contenders. I think most of the world who aren’t the Rams or fansa of the Rams know they aren’t, but we’ve seen front offices make more puzzling moves before.

  83. 83 ACViking said at 5:46 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Seemed like there was some Rams buzz in the off-season. ‘specially with the personnel issues the 49ers have had, injuries and non-injuries.

    DOA now, though, without a QB.

    Had a shot w/ Bradford.

  84. 84 SteveH said at 6:58 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Well maybe the Rams thought they had a shot… Even with Bradford they weren’t ready to play with the big boys.

  85. 85 RobNE said at 6:03 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    I would take that trade for the Eagles, yes. Don’t know about the Rams though. In their division, for them to reach the playoffs a LOT has to go right, before the injury. Now, not sure it matters who they bring in.

  86. 86 RobNE said at 6:12 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Also wouldn’t Washington be the more obvious suitor? Do the Rams still have some of their picks to trade back for Cousins?

  87. 87 McNabbulousness said at 11:53 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    no way DC gets rid of Cousins with Griffin’s injury track record

  88. 88 Dragon_Eagle said at 10:24 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Right now, Sanchez has a better chance of being the Rams franchise QB than Bradford. Rams do nothing now, they’re drafting a hoped for QB of the future in 2015.

    If the Rams are going to look for a new potential starter now, Sanchez makes a lot of sense. Sanchez is familiar with Schottenheimer’s (sp?) offense. That matters. Game 1 is 14 days away. If the Rams think they have a real legit shot at the playoffs, they gotta look for someone who can pick up the offense quickly. A conditional pick makes sense from their standpoint, plus redo Sanchez’s contract to be multi-year in the process. For example, Eagles get a 3rd round pick + player + maybe Shaun Hill now, pick becomes a 2nd rounder if Sanchez is still on the Rams roster in March. Or maybe it becomes a 1st rounder if Rams make playoffs with Sanchez at QB.

    I get why the Eagles would be much more willing to ship Barkley, but ask quite a bit for Sanchez. Not only do we give up a quality backup QB, which we may well need at some point, but we also lose the option of evaluating Sanchez as the Sanchize in the event, still a possibility, that the Foles carriage turns into a rotten pumpkin.

  89. 89 Sean Stott said at 5:23 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    I feel like a Barkley trade is more likely.

  90. 90 Dominik said at 6:18 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    I read this on 24/7 a lot of times. Why would the Rams do that? It’s not like Barkley has done anything in the NFL yet. For a offensive genius, knowing the playbook etc.

    Sanchez makes sense for them because he played great in PS, is a vet and Schottenheimer knows him. If I’m the Rams, I wouldn’t pay much for Barkley – not nearly enough for the Eagles to accept that trade.

    Sanchez is tricky. If they really believe in him, he doesn’t have to be a rental for them like he is for us. Battle with Bradford next year isn’t unrealistic.
    For us, he seems like great insurance in case Foles misses some time. It really depends on the price. For a 2nd rounder, you have to do it. Remember, as great as their D is, they play in the best Division and Sanchez imho is a product of Chip’s offense – at least his great play this preseason. So that 2nd rounder could come early-middle of the round. We’re talking Jordan Matthews range here. Have to accept that.

    For a 3rd? Tough. I don’t know. There are arguments to both sides, I’d tend to decline the offer. 4th – no. Insurance for Foles is more important than that.

  91. 91 ACViking said at 6:40 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    D —
    great walk-through of how a GM could think about this

  92. 92 Sean Stott said at 7:41 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Sanchez is obviously better, but Barkley has a significantly better contract situation.

  93. 93 Dominik said at 4:45 AM on August 25th, 2014:

    If you’re looking for a Starting QB, Sanchez contract isn’t bad at all. Sanchez will get a chance to compete for a starting job next season – at least if he doesn’t play awful in the reg season if he has to play. There’s buzz around him. The Rams would make that process even quicker.

    The Rams could extend him if they are happy mid-season. If they aren’t, they didn’t pay him much. Problem is, obviously, the draft pick. I don’t know how I would feel if the Eagles lose Foles for the year and don’t have a capable back-up. Invest a 2nd rounder for a player like Sanchez, who hasn’t proved he’s good at your (!) system? Tough. For us, it would probably make sense, since we’re in a weak division. Difference betwenn horrible and solid QB play can be the difference between playoffs and no playoffs. For the Rams, the Division turns from weak to best in football, obviously. That changes the equation.

    The fans will hate it and I totally get why, but maybe it would be the best idea to play the season with their scrub QB. Their D will deliver some wins (I mean, they play the NFCE…), but they will draft in the 8-14 range. Draft a QB, develop him and go with your great core of young players and hunt the Niners and the Seahawks.

  94. 94 RobNE said at 8:25 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    what makes us think that Barkley, with his somewhat noodle arm and no fight against Sanchez for QB2 position in his year 2, would be wanted be anyone at all to be their starter?

  95. 95 Sean Stott said at 8:27 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Hopefully he plays well in PS game 4.

    Also, you have to keep in mind at one time Barkley was projected to go first overall, or at the very least an early 1st round pick. He’s not a scrub picked up off the street.

  96. 96 shah8 said at 5:24 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Shaun Hill was a very good QB but for the fact that he doesn’t have a strong enough arm to be a long term QB. Also, a lot of his numbers were on bad teams with good WR corps.

    Benjamin Albright sez that Hill is the definite starter. I think that this is probably an unviable mindset. Hill is also 34. He never had the arm strength to really succeed when he was young, and odds are, he’d flop like Schaub. In any event, at the very least, the Rams have to trade for a backup to Hill.

    As far as Sanchez? No. Sanchez is not here to be a backup QB. Sanchez is here to be the guy to take over if Foles should ever come back to earth–much more talented QB in all ways other than what’s between the ears.

    Frankly, I don’t know what the Rams are going to do. In between rock and hard place. I think the only teams able to give up a worthwhile player will be Arizona or Seattle. Drew Stanton pretty much has to be near the top of the list.

  97. 97 ACViking said at 5:25 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Good stuff.

  98. 98 GEAGLE said at 7:31 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Someone with knowledge of situation says NO CHANCE Sanchez would reunite with OC Brian Shotenheimer in St Louis… Says Sanchez wants no parts of playing for him again

  99. 99 Anders said at 8:08 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    I understand him.

  100. 100 ACViking said at 8:13 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    buona informazione

  101. 101 GEAGLE said at 7:19 AM on August 25th, 2014:

    USA today 🙂

  102. 102 RobNE said at 8:23 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    does he have a no trade clause or something (no)? who cares. It’s a team first thing to say that he doesn’t want to be traded. What should he do, tell a reporter please god let me traded. Then on the 99% chance he does not get traded, he is in deep sh#t.

    So he says the right thing, so what? But even so, so what b/c there are no no-trade clauses.

    I just think asking, and reporting, on what Sanchez thinks about the situation couldn’t be more of a waste of time.

  103. 103 ACViking said at 9:10 PM on August 24th, 2014:


    The reason that kind of information could matter is that Sanchez is on a 1-year deal, which — without an extension agreement a hypothetical suitor — pushes the potential compensation for him way down.

    That would eliminate any incentive on the Eagles’ side to do a deal.

    Just theorizing.

  104. 104 RobNE said at 9:40 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Ok that makes sense but its unlikely he would let it be known he is up for a trade.

  105. 105 GEAGLE said at 7:16 AM on August 25th, 2014:

    He has better than a no trade clause he has a one year deal… No one gives up valuable picks for someone who won’t sign longterm

  106. 106 RobNE said at 9:43 AM on August 25th, 2014:

    I hear you I would just think maybe they take the year, then figure it out. They may want to draft someone anyway.

    Can you do an extension as part of a trade? Is that legal in the NFL?

  107. 107 GEAGLE said at 12:13 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    Yeah… They would give you permission to work out an extension with the team they intend on trading you too.

    I doubt we trade Sanchez,, chip’s trying to win a SUPERBOWL this year, he values a quality backup a lot!! I doubt they would pay enough to make us an offer we can’t refuse to give up a QB playing at that level…

    If you have a QB playing at THAT level, you keep him unless teams pay franchise QB prices…

    Sandhez doesn’t want to go there and we will ask too much for the rams to pay. If you are only looking for a one year band aid. You can’t give up second round I picks, for a QB at the end of August, how long does it take him to learn your language? Learn your offense? Get the timing down with new WRs? Comfortable running the offense?
    No one is winning a Super Bowl with a QB they got a week before September. Rams know they are now out of Super Bowl contention for this year, so you only pay quality draft picks for Sanchez if you want to commit to him Longterm and if he is ok committing to you long term…. You don’t pay the price we will ask for a one year rental…Sanchez too valuable to us..

    What if Foles blows out his Achilles in the playoffs having to miss the 2015 season? GOD FORBID, but ATleast we have the insurance of being able to re sign Sanchez

  108. 108 Anders said at 10:02 AM on August 25th, 2014:

    Also the Rams would not trade for Sanchez if they know he wont play for them. Rather trade for Barkley or pick up some of the cut backups instead

  109. 109 D3FB said at 2:16 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    For me it just doesn’t make sense for St. Louis to make a move for a QB. It would likely take 4-6 weeks for the new QB to get comfortable with the new players and playbook. So now you’re team is probably 1-3 or 0-4. The guys who they could obtain aren’t going to take a team, especially in that division 9-3 or 10-2 down the backstretch of the season.

    The Rams should just stay put, take their lumps this year, and let their young players develop. The Rams have a very talented and young roster that is probably only a QB and a couple of pieces away from being a serious contender. They’ll likely win 4-5 games anyways, which should put them in reach of their QB of choice. Mariota, Winston, Hundley all have superstar potential. Cook, Mannion, and Petty all look like they could become quality starters. #DraftTwitter loves them some Chuckie Keeton. Somebody will likely burst onto the scene. The Rams will have options, no need to force a trade that likely only makes them mediocre in a tough division.

  110. 110 GEAGLE said at 7:16 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    They won’t do anything. Everyone knows that if you lose your QB in August you aren’t wining a SUPERBOWL.. They need a Longterm fix, unless they want to make a long term commitment and start the Sanchez era, like you said they will just stay put, address it in the draft…

  111. 111 Pennguino said at 8:22 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Henery Stats:

    20-29 Yards: 10/10, 30-39 Yards: 9/11, 40-49 Yards: 4/4, 50+: 1/2

    8/9, 8/9, 11/12, 0/1

    8/8, 7/8, 7/10, 1/2

    Maybe Fipp jacked with his mechanics and got him all out of whack.

  112. 112 5richards said at 8:43 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    There is a stud kicker currently battling Jay Feely in Arizona — his name is Chandler Catanzaro — he holds all the records for Clemson

    Original walk-on who became
    Clemson’s starting placekicker as a freshman … was 67-82 (81.7 percent) on
    field goals and 203-207 on extra points for 404 points in 53 games (52 starts)
    in his career … became the first Tiger in history to start 50 games … was
    24-31 (a school-record 77.4 percent) on field goals of 40+ yards in his career,
    including making 13 of his last 14 field-goal attempts of 40+ yards … scored
    at least one point in every game in his career … second in ACC history in
    points … first in school history in points, first in points (kick), first in
    extra points made, first in field goals of 40+ yards, first in starts, and
    second in field goals … set a school record with 20 consecutive made field
    goals from 2011-12; it was also the fifth-longest streak in ACC history …
    made 39 of his last 41 field-goal attempts (2011-13) … two-time semifinalist
    for the Lou Groza Award … three-time All-ACC selection (media) … two-time
    Academic All-ACC selection … four-time ACC Academic Honor Roll member.

  113. 113 All Things Bad@ss said at 9:36 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    No way AZ feels good about Feely right now … he just shanked another one way wide right again Cincy. It may end up being Feely on the market.

  114. 114 GEAGLE said at 4:56 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    Feeley was released today

  115. 115 RobNE said at 10:35 PM on August 24th, 2014:

    Maybe rams trade for Vick?

  116. 116 Sean Stott said at 12:03 AM on August 25th, 2014:

    I’m hearing Sanchez will go to the Rams, Vick goes to the Eagles, Rams send Jets their 2015 2nd rounder and Jets send us their 2015 4th rounder.

  117. 117 the midatlantic said at 12:32 AM on August 25th, 2014:

    you must have great ears

  118. 118 Jerry Pomroy said at 12:32 AM on August 25th, 2014:

    So for Sanchez, we’d end up with Vick & a 4th. No thanks.

  119. 119 Maggie said at 3:48 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    Another one trying out a new stand-up routine.

  120. 120 Jerry Pomroy said at 12:40 AM on August 25th, 2014:

    My choices for kicker in order (based on availability)…

    1) Brandon McManus
    2) Dustin Hopkins
    3) Josh Brown
    4) Rob Bironas

    I wouldn’t release Henery until I had one of these guys in place & would take my chances on the young guys with the strong legs over the older guys.

  121. 121 GEAGLE said at 12:02 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    This drives me crazy…I know we can’t continue with Alex, but I don’t know a single thing about kickers other then the 5 I should try and get on fantasy football..

    As in, I wouldn’t even know where to start trying to make a list of the top 5 attainable kickers wish list, so I’ll have to take your word for it..

    The saints backup Dimke didn’t look bad the other day…

  122. 122 Jerry Pomroy said at 1:29 AM on August 26th, 2014:

    That’s what our scouting department is for. There are guys out there that can certainly push Henery and there are certainly guys that are or will be assumable that would likely beat him into submission. Henery just makes me envision a scared little boy crying in the corner sucking on his thumb at this point. Maybe he proves me wrong, but I think he’s already defeated himself.

  123. 123 Kaedwon said at 6:35 AM on August 25th, 2014:

    This idiotic catastrophizing over Henery for missing a couple meaningless preseason FGs overlooks a few facts. At least one of those misses was probably Donnie Jones’s fault. He wasn’t terrific last year but wasn’t terrible either. He still has the best rookie season in league history. The Eagles have a lot bigger problems — the pass rush has been feeble, the secondary has been borderline awful. Oh, and all of these proposed “solutions” have no better chance of surpassing Henery than “Murderleg” did, which is none.
    Can we move on to obsess about something else now? This is getting ridiculous.

  124. 124 Michael Winter Cho said at 9:32 AM on August 25th, 2014:

    Way too much consternation over Henery and a few unfortunate misses. Kicking is a pretty random thing, and kickers are fairly fungible: “The reality is that kickers just aren’t consistent from year to year. If kicking were a consistent skill, guys who are scary accurate in one season would also be at the top of the leaderboards the following season. ”

  125. 125 RobNE said at 9:42 AM on August 25th, 2014:

    I agree with this. I see it kind of like relief pitching.

    I am frustrated with Henery but I do think we’ll a little fixated.

  126. 126 GEAGLE said at 10:48 AM on August 25th, 2014:

    Can a team win a Super Bowl with Alex?

    Would the Seahawks have been able to win a Super Bowl getting what we got out of Alex last year from Their kicker?

    I don’t think Alex is that big of a deal during the regular season. But, I’m not sure you can win with him in the playoffs when there is little margin for error

    Is there another starting position you worry about more than Alex?

  127. 127 RobNE said at 11:06 AM on August 25th, 2014:

    I don’t know if a team can win a SB with him, and neither do you. Do you or I know for sure whoever we pick is really better? we don’t

    ROLB generating sufficient pass rush. For the first 4 games, Barbre worries me.

    I want an upgrade too don’t get me wrong. And I was wondering if he’d be one of the first cuts. But I’ve calmed down, and I don’t think it’s as easy as saying this guy is “not good enough” and why don’t they just get someone “better” (you know, like more accurate and bigger leg).

    So I’m going to sit back and let Chip etc. worry about this. Not only can I not solve it, but I don’t even feel like I can have an informed opinion. I just don’t know who is better or not.

  128. 128 eagleyankfan said at 11:21 AM on August 25th, 2014:

    What we do know — is he missed a makeable FG vs. the Saints in the playoffs last year. Saints kicker was perfect(until his next game, but at least there was a next game)

  129. 129 GEAGLE said at 11:58 AM on August 25th, 2014:

    Missed a 47 yarder,vs. pats. Coach lost confidence and brought in a new kicker to compete with the day before the steelers game..and he goes out and shanks a 32 yard FG against the steelers?

  130. 130 GEAGLE said at 11:57 AM on August 25th, 2014:

    It’s one thing to miss a kick..

    But after his playoff performance… A team that preaches competition, who has had quality position battles all summer, didn’t make Alex compete this summer. They brought in a sham kicker who they knew was not capable of winning the competition, just bring him in as an extra leg…. Then you get to the preseason:
    You miss a 47 yarder against the Pats, the entire city is buzzing with concern over you, and your coach is now worries to the point that he brings in another kicker two weeks before the season starts, the day before the third preseason game… After all that, having to explain a missed kick in the last game all week, losing your coaches trust, seeing new competition arrive so close to the season, you go out there and shank a 30 yard FG?

    Color me concerned…

  131. 131 GEAGLE said at 10:45 AM on August 25th, 2014:

    Alex has been consistently unacceptable.

    as far as I’m concerned, if you make the playoffs two years in a row, that makes you a Super Bowl contender…we have the fortune of being in a division we can dominate, can’t be going into the playoffs with a liability at your kicker spot. It’s too crucial In the playoffs when wins and losses are usually decided by a couple points….

    Alex isn’t a championship kicker…I don’t care how good a team is, I don’t think a team can win it all with Alex as their kicker. Kicker needs to be almost flawless in the post season… He isn’t capable of going on a 3-4 game flawless streak at the most high pressure time, facing the best teams with no margin for error

    I don’t think you need to have a kicker who is a legit weapon like LEG-a-tron, or a kicker version of Donnie jones who is a true weapon as a punter… But you need to have a kicker who you don’t have to worry about on kickoffs, and a guy who if you put in a good position, if you baby him and not let him kick from 50, you BETTER be able to count on him from 30-48 yards…

    I don’t think a guy who is automatic on kickoff, and consistent from 47 yards out should be too much to ask

  132. 132 Gary Barnes said at 1:09 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    And Henery WAS consistent from 40-49 yd range in 2011 and 2012, going 15 out of 16….last year he dropped to 7 out of 10 which, while concerning, may be a fluke and over-reacting to two misses in the preseason is not smart IMO. The largest sample size we have of Henery shows he CAN be consistent from that range.

  133. 133 eagleyankfan said at 1:16 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    We can’t rely on him for what he kicked last year. It’s what have you done for me lately. People are still concerned because of that missed FG during the Saints game, followed by the misses in pre-season. But it’s just not the missed FG’s, it was the short kick offs. I know people are concerned about the field goals but it’s the whole package.
    There are no QB battles or name calling at a club — so it’s pretty quiet which is why we’re talking about this. I’d rather talk about why Mathews is still on this team 🙂

  134. 134 RobNE said at 1:16 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    Give Jordan a chance!

  135. 135 Michael Winter Cho said at 1:58 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    Hey G, I don’t know, the guy seems okay to me. I don’t say this because I “believe” in him, but just because the data shows that kicking FGs is more or less luck. This has been shown to be the case. As sports fans, we like good stories and clutch and whatnot, but a lot of that is BS. I am comfortable with Henery as our kicker. There are at least 22 people on the team who are more important, IMO.

  136. 136 GEAGLE said at 4:55 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    Fair enough… Personally I have never been at ease since he has been our kicker. I was excited about his pedigree when we first got him, but it scared me when Andy refused to let him kick from 50…and FG kicks are his strength, we ain’t even talking kickoffs yet. Honestly, I never seen a team more negatively effected by kickoffs than us inside the Vikings dome…..

    A week after you tell the media you took a mistep when you missed the 47 yard FG, you miss a 31 yard Chip shot?

    I have seen kickers have terrible years and come back and have an elite year, so I can’t rule out a kid with such a pedigree turning it around, but instead of it getting better, it seems to only get worse..

    You miss,from 47, coach who had your back loses confidence and brings in another kicker and you miss from 31? .. A week earlier 31 yard FG’s were extra points…

    This kid scares the hell out of me.hopefully he gets it together, I don’t know anything about kickers, but I feel like you can’t be a liability at both kickoffs and FG’s… I feel like it can’t be hard to find a kicker on waivers who is good at one of those two things, with the top kickers being good at both areas…. But Alex hurts us on kickoffs and FGs…. I’m not asking him to be a weapon like Donnie Jones, but ATleast don’t be a liability in one of two areas..

  137. 137 jpate said at 10:54 AM on August 25th, 2014:

    I’m reading all these teams having a good rookie vs veteran kicker battles right now (i.e saints, giants, cardinals) and I’m sitting here thinking why the hell did we choose murderleg? Shows me we didn’t really try to find competition because if I’m a FA rookie kicker I would choose Philly over any of the other team because it gives me the best chance of winning the job.

  138. 138 Dominik said at 1:21 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    It was a mistake back in March. I thought it was a mistake back in March, but we know it for sure now.

  139. 139 CrackSammich said at 2:02 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    We chose murderleg because obviously the best kickers went to other teams?

  140. 140 jpate said at 3:21 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    You really think so? I doubt the any kicker would choose to compete with Josh Brown or Shayne Graham then Alex Henry.

  141. 141 eagleyankfan said at 11:06 AM on August 25th, 2014:

    Davis said that moving qb’s off their spot is more important than sacks. He backed that up by saying moving the QB off their spots causes other things to happen. I am going to 100% disagree with that mentality. First off — what’s IS guaranteed once you get the QB to move? Nothing. Nothing is guaranteed. What CAN happen? A ton of possibilities. He can run for positive yards. He can pass for completion/TD/1st down. He can still be sacked. He can still throw an int or incomplete pass.
    What CAN happen with a sack? Loss of yards(guaranteed). Poss. fumble. Possible intentional grounding. Possible int with desperation throw.
    I’ll take a sack all day long…

  142. 142 Anders said at 11:25 AM on August 25th, 2014:

    He didnt say a pressure was better, just that you cant only look at sacks for how well the pass rush is doing

  143. 143 GEAGLE said at 12:21 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    Plus he is preaching to players to move the QB off his spot. Which typically can lead to sacks. You can’t get a sack every time a QB drops back, but the more you can move him off his spot, the better your chances will be against that QB..
    If you are close enough to move him off his spot, you won’t always be close enough to get the sack, but you should usually be close enough to get a hit in, and a Hit can be just as valuable as a sack…. If you sack a QB 10 times but you get him to the ground gently. Or you don’t get a sack for 10 attemps but you get a good hard hit on QB each of those 10 times..,what’s more valuable going forward? Hard a QB hard enough and often enough is kind of I like the Mike Tyosn model of “everyone has a plan til they get punched in the mouth”
    When you see the worst games the best QBs ever played, they usually took a beating from the opposing defense..

  144. 144 GEAGLE said at 11:34 AM on August 25th, 2014:

    Sacks can be over rated and misleading.
    For example, Fletcher Cox last year. What is more indicated of how he performed last year, saying that he had 3 sacks? Or that he notched 39 QB Hurriesf?

    When you say Cox had 3 sacks last year, that’s dissapointing, yet in reality he ranked as one of the top rated 3-4 DE’s the first time ever playing in the scheme… If he would have had 5 sacks, that’s a much more respectful number for a defensive tackle.. But, out of his 39 QB hurries where he didn’t get the sack, on two of those plays he forced a QB to get rid of the ball, throw horrible passes right into Earl Boykins lap… I’d prefer forcing two INT’s over two Sacks….

    When Billy talks about moving a QB of his spot, that’s QB pressure that will often lead to good things. If your DE forced a QB to get off his spot it’s always possible that he steps up in the pocket and throws a strike with your DE right in his face..but pass rushing is about the cumulative effects. The more comfortable the quarterback is, the better he will perform. if you are constantly chasing him off his spot you aren’t letting him get comfortable and it’s highly unlikely that a QB will be able to maintain a high level of play if you are forcing him to play at a frantic pace, under duress all game sooner or later he will make mistake.
    Also, if you are chasing a QB OFF his spot, their will be times when u aren’t close enough to him get to get the sack, but you will usually be close enough to hit the QB..and HITTINB a QB is more important than sacks. If a QB completes 3 passes in a row but you blast him 3 times, it’s not a complete loss. Hit a QB hard enough, hit him often enough…and they ALL BREAK DOWN!!

    Look at Brady, Peyton and any of the best QBs worst games. I don’t know how many times they were sacked in those games but I’ll bet the QB was hit hard and often and consistently chased off his spot not allowing him to get comfortable..

  145. 145 eagleyankfan said at 12:51 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    I’ll take Brady and Peyton — as defenders get them to move — or slide to move the pocket — they are even more dangerous. So is Benn in Pitt. Yes, good things CAN happen for the D, as well as the O. I’d have to see hard evidence where making a QB move is better than a sack. I get the whole defensive breakdown thing and yes, you don’t want a QB getting comfortable in the pocket. But 3rd and long, I want a sack. I don’t want the QB moving giving his wr’s a chance play.
    I have no idea of the numbers but I’m assuming, on all those 3rd downs last year where the Eagles gave up a 1st down, I’m going to assume there were times the QB moved around. Or the playoff games vs. the Saints — give me a sack on 3rd down the Saints are off the field.

    I understand what you’re saying. For that 1 play, that 1 time you need the D off the field — sack is a guaranteed way…

  146. 146 GEAGLE said at 12:54 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    When he preaches to his lineman to get the QB off his spot, a sack falls under that umbrella…a sack is a desired result from getting that QB off his spot

  147. 147 anon said at 5:25 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    So if Cole had 20 sacks you’d say no i wish he had 30 hurries instead? sacks = loss of yardage. maybe sacks don’t matter here b/c no matter how long 3rd down is we can’t get off the field, but every qb responds differently to getting pressure – some run, some make completions – but there’s only one end to a sack.

    unfortunately despite getting a lot of pressures we weren’t able to convert those pressures into a ton of sacks (meaning qb was flushed into another defender). if we can show a correlation between pressure and tos that’d be great.

  148. 148 GEAGLE said at 7:09 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    Yeah that’s exactly what all those words you just read mean,,smh

  149. 149 Maggie said at 3:43 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    Perhaps you could rewatch the last Super Bowl? Peyton never got set.

  150. 150 GEAGLE said at 11:09 AM on August 25th, 2014:

    This weekend watching all the young QBs, we really need to stop and smell the roses.. After this year it will be proven that the young rainmaker is official, and looking at all the other highly touted young QBs other fanbases are stuck rooting for, really makes me feel fortunate to have Nick, who is everything I ever wanted in a QB since I have been an eagles fan..

    1) Johnny Manziel. Knowing how important Character is to Chip Kelly, how did anyone ever think that jackass was chips ideal QB? LOVED seeing Micheal Sam sack him and do Johnny’s money symbol mocking him? Micheal Sam has made me a fan. Love that Johnny was on the board at 22 and Chip said, NO THANKS!!

    2) RG3… lol watching his interview was like years of Vick déjà Vu “I never slid before, no one showed me how to slide, I just can’t slide” bwahahaha your problem now Washington. Enjoy. You got their great QB Joe Theisman commentating, doing the skins broadcast and he is publically stating they are better off with Kirk Cousin then a dude who cost them 15 first round picks lol. RG3 has a combined like 130 yards this preseason, no TDs, 5 INTs… Beat part is he has been hit like 10 times, and he barely drops back more then 8 times a game lol. NO WAY HE PLAYS 16 GAMES… RGvick!!!

    3) Kapernick is still Incompetent from the pocket. As in, REALLY BAD! And he will be EXPOSED this year because their defense is breaking down and he will have to score more to win, and their running game probably isn’t as great as it was. If they were completely healthy, their secondary still isn’t anything scary. The strength was their front 7 which is in shambles. Be easier to run on them, and you can definitely throw on them

    4) Luck had a rough weekend, but he is legit… He isn’t the player they have already ANNOINTED him to be…but two years from now he should be really good, and FOles best competition.

    5) haven’t watched Seahawks yet so I can’t speak on Wilson..

    6)’Cam lacks weapons, and has been dealing with injurries,,ankle trouble during camp, now a cracked rib
    Can’t wait til after this season when FOles solidifies himself and all the national dopes will have to re-evaluate and re-rank their top young QB lists… FOles will be top 3

  151. 151 jpate said at 11:24 AM on August 25th, 2014:

    I saw some of Wilson vs Bears. He’s tearing it up this PS. He’s playing better than any other young QB (hard to admit but better then Foles)

  152. 152 GEAGLE said at 11:48 AM on August 25th, 2014:

    I respect his game… I don’t view him as a fraud/media fabrication like KAp,RG3, Manziel…

    Wilson has game, it’s just hard to really judge him because he is often asked to do so little. I mean, it’s not his fault, when they ask him to throw it, he is effective….it’s just I don’t know if I can really put him ahead of luck…. I wonder what it would look like if they switched teams?
    I wouldn’t really be surprised to see luck win the SB last year if he was QB the Seahawks.. But I’m not sure Wilson could have had as much success with that Colts as luck has had,..

    I don’t know how to view Luck vs. Wilson. I don’t know how to View Wilson vs. FOles….. I FIND IT MUCH EASIER, to judge FOles vs. luck … I think those two will have epic battles

    This year is so awesome! We get:
    FOles vs. Luck 1
    FOles vs. RG3 2 and 3
    FOles vs. Kapernick 1
    FOles vs. Russel Wilson 1
    FOles vs. cam 1

    What an awesome year this will be. We all have our ideas on what we look like this year, but one thing everyone can agree on is. At the very least. When this season ends, we will know where we stand, and how far away we are, if we don’t win a SB this year…..
    I wouldn’t be at all surprised if when this franchise finally wins a Lombardi, it comes out of the blue, during a year we really weren’t even expecting to win a Super Bowl.. We have been favorites in big games for a decade. We have been favorites with home field advantage throughout…. Think to break this curse and get over the hump, we have to win an unexpected Super Bowl.. During a year like this one, where we know we have a good team, but national aren’t recognized as a top 5 teams…

  153. 153 eagleyankfan said at 12:45 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    Doesn’t Luck have the most passing yards every for the first two seasons of a career?

  154. 154 GEAGLE said at 12:46 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    Not sure but I know FOles completion percentage always rivals lucks ..

    I think luck! Wilson, FOles and maybe Cam are the best young QBs..

    I think KAp and RGvick are Frauds…and Johnny jackass is just the devil version of Holy angelic tebow

    I struggle with Dalton and Tannahill. Don’t know what to make of them yet

  155. 155 Maggie said at 3:41 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    Just one question. The Great Joe Theisman? He could throw the ball pretty well, although he went to the CFL first. He broke his leg in a horrible way, it’s true. But some of what dribbles out of his mouth is ridiculous.

  156. 156 A Roy said at 9:03 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    Theisman was pretty good…with a couple excellent years. Interestingly, the great Sonny Jurgensen felt that Theisman wouldn’t make it as a pro because he couldn’t throw with ‘touch.’

  157. 157 GEAGLE said at 12:37 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    Cardinals cut K Jay Feeley
    Lions cut Kicker Giorgio Tavecchio…. I don’t know this dude, but his name implies that him and his family are familiar with soccer… That’s a step in the right direction at least

  158. 158 eagleyankfan said at 12:43 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    Did you draft the Denver kicker? 🙂

  159. 159 GEAGLE said at 12:44 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    Lol no… I always take the lil shit from the ravens
    I used to draft Leg-a-tron aka Greg The Leg

  160. 160 bridgecoach said at 1:31 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    Chandler Catanzaro (cousin of Kacey Catanzaro) won the Kicker Competition in Arizona. American Ninja Warrior bias?

  161. 161 CrackSammich said at 1:59 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    “…but his name implies that him and his family are familiar with soccer.”

    That’s more than just a little racist.

  162. 162 Dominik said at 2:29 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    Geag spend a lot of time in Italy, so even if it would be racist, you can bet that it wasn’t meant to be that way. It’s more of a (positive) prejudice, so to speak. Like saying “Dominik is from Germany so he’s always on time and works hard”. There’s prejudice involved in this statement, but it isn’t meant to be negative. I chose the German example because I know this “prejudice” first hand, but there are many other examples of this.

  163. 163 A_T_G said at 3:00 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    Regardless, I don’t think Italian is a race. I believe it would be stereotyping.

  164. 164 Anders said at 4:09 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    its still racism.

  165. 165 A_T_G said at 7:52 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    First, I suggest that this conversation is proof that the season REALLY needs to get here.

    Second, just because the word gets misused often doesn’t change its meaning.

    First, Dictionary dot com should be able to define stuff well:
    a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

    Next, the omnipotent power known as Google:
    the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

    Next, a self-appointed expert, the Anti-Defamation League:
    Racism is the belief that a particular race is superior or inferior to another, that a person’s social and moral traits are predetermined by his or her inborn biological characteristics

    Finally, the collective of all human knowledge, Wikipedia, does support D3FB’s claim that racism has been misused to apply to ethnic groups for so long that it is now acceptable to do so, but I don’t think that is true. My incorrectly naming the Eagles the upcoming Super Bowl champs for years and years hasn’t made it acceptable to label them as such.

  166. 166 Anders said at 6:26 PM on August 27th, 2014:

    “According to the United Nations convention, there is no distinction between the terms racial discrimination and ethnic discrimination, and superiority based on racial differentiation is scientifically false, morally condemnable, socially unjust and dangerous, and that there is no justification for racial discrimination, in theory or in practice, anywhere”

    From all mighty wikipedia. So at least UN (which USA is a part of) there is no difference if its race or ethnic.

  167. 167 A_T_G said at 10:54 PM on August 27th, 2014:

    They are both wrong, and I sure hope it didn’t come across as I was defending one as less wrong. They are both bigoted and hateful. They are, in fact, two things, though. The term used originally was the incorrect one. That is all I was saying.

  168. 168 D3FB said at 4:09 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    Italians are an ethnic group and racism can be used to describe ethnic groups as well as race.

  169. 169 Dominik said at 5:29 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    That is probably a better way to put it.

  170. 170 GEAGLE said at 3:19 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    You German Benz loving mofo… Take that!! 😉

  171. 171 GEAGLE said at 3:18 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    My name implies I’m more familiar with soccer then him… So take it as a black dude calling someone his “n word” aka fair game

  172. 172 bushisamoron said at 12:55 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    No great solution to this problem but it does underscore the horrid job Andy Reid did on draft day taking Henery in the fourth round which is almost unheard of for a kicker. Most are not drafted and and the ones who are are late round cannot miss prospects. Andy Reid really did this team a disservice. If I were the GM in K.C. I would send Reid out for Dunkin’Donuts on draft weekend.

  173. 173 GEAGLE said at 12:58 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    When I heard we got a kicker in the 4th round, I expected to have one of the top 5 kickers in the NFL for a decade…..

    Lions drafted kicker Nate Freese in the 7th.. Curious to keep an eye on him to see what a 7th round kicker looks like

  174. 174 bushisamoron said at 1:01 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    Fat Andy really outsmarted everyone that day-again!

  175. 175 GEAGLE said at 1:03 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    lion spent a 7th this year on Kicker Nate Freese…curious to see what a 7th round kicker looks like
    Hopefully Andy picked Alex and not Howie

  176. 176 Anders said at 2:15 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    Henery is the most accurate kicker in college history, so I think Howie and Reid thought the same

  177. 177 Gary Barnes said at 1:19 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    The irrational hatred for Reid always surprises me…yes, let’s overlook the players on the current team brought in on Reid’s watch such as Foles, Celek, Cole, Cox, Ryans, Kendricks, Maclin, Cooper, McCoy, Peters, Mathis, Herremans, Kelce, Curry etc. (oh those were all Howie moves, right? lol) and focus on a kicker who really is not even close to as bad as portrayed on here and because some are freaking out since he missed two FG during the preseason. Again, for his career as an Eagle, he is pretty much automatic from closer than 40 yards and 22-26 from the 40-49 yd range. Nothing wrong with bringing in competition, but positions like LB, DE, CB, S, KR/PR and WR are a lot more concerning from my perspective.

  178. 178 bushisamoron said at 1:27 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    I do not hate Andy Reid- I do not know him. Not one of us knows who in the organization is responsible for which picks. However, the owner of the team credited the GM with the success of the 2012 draft which was Reid’s last draft here.

  179. 179 Gary Barnes said at 1:41 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    Yet, you think a kicker with a 86 FG% is terrible?

    26 out of 27 from 20-29 yards
    24 out of 28 from 30-39 yards
    22 out of 26 from 40-49 yards

  180. 180 bushisamoron said at 2:12 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    1. I did not say I hated Andy Reid. 2. I did not say Alex Henery is terrible. I did question using a 4th round draft choice on a less than outstanding kicker as a kicker drafted that high should translate into pro bowl material. A kicker drafted that high should be getting touchbacks on greater than fifty percent of his kicks. He should be more accurate than Henery from fifty yards and in. Lastly, he should have a greater than fifty percent chance from beyond fifty yards. Most importantly, he must make pressure kicks-that is what that position is about. Missing a 48 yarder in the playoffs at home-unacceptable for a highly drafted kicker. Shanking a 31-yard kick after your team brought in a rookie UDFA kicker to compete with you-again at home- is not what a highly drafted kicker does. And a fourth round kicker is like a first round QB. Supposed to be special. Henery is not special.

  181. 181 anon said at 4:13 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    Eh, no one was complaining about touchbacks before Kelly made it an issue. He was good prior to last year. But the issue is he missed several kicks from inside 40.

  182. 182 GEAGLE said at 1:52 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    Shurmur assured our media Sanchez is ours

  183. 183 eagleyankfan said at 2:06 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    Jackson Jeffcoat also cut. Shame I was routing for the kid as his family has nfl ties – who were local to my region.

  184. 184 GEAGLE said at 5:31 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    Yeah I was surprised. Someone,will pick him up. BG says it has finally clicked for him at OLB and he knows he owes the eagles and fans for sticking with him when he didn’t pay off as a first round pick. Said he thought he was being traded this offseason. When he realized he wouldn’t, he settled down and started playing well…seems confident in his OLB improvement..
    ..Even talked about his coverage, and open field tackling..

    If he backs up his talk it be a nice addition to our ability to get off the fields b 3rd which will determine how much we improve as a defense

  185. 185 Anders said at 5:42 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    If Graham keeps it up, I think he will unseat Cole. I think Cole is like the default starter, but if he keeps been bad at pass rushing, Graham has to start at some point

  186. 186 GEAGLE said at 5:58 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    I would love that… I worry tho that our coaches just love Cole…. Heck BG deserved more snaps then he was given last year. I though BG would have overthrown Cole last year, then I thought it would ATleast be 55-45 Cole…..but it ended up being like 80-20 Cole..

    hopefully BG finally gets off the field.. In a dream world, he finally transitions to OLB and proved 1st round production, over throws Cole, has such a good year that we extend him and he helps us the next 4 years…..but he is running out of time to make that happen

  187. 187 NinjaP said at 2:59 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    PFF grades Matt Tobin as the best guard in the nfl so far this pre-season. Legit shot at taking over for Herremans next year?

  188. 188 D3FB said at 4:08 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    He’s definitely taken steps forward. I wouldn’t pencil him in for Herreman’s but I would feel comfortable letting him compete against a pick (rounds 3-5) or a veteran free agent who has some experience.

  189. 189 joe said at 5:06 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    Dustin Hopkins was cut.

  190. 190 truehaynes said at 5:48 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    Chipwagon is the tits

  191. 191 BobSmith77 said at 6:13 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    Rather just have the Eagles hold on to Sanchez at this point because I can’t see the Rams trading anything meaningful for him. It would also leave the Eagles screwed if Foles missing any more than 1-2 weeks.

  192. 192 GEAGLE said at 7:06 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    We aren’t trading Sanchez… It would take a crazy offer that no one would make. I wouldn’t trade him as a back up. We are the ones who took a risk on his shoulder as a backup..if someone wants him, it has to be as a franchise QB but I doubt anyone would want him that bad. Plus Sanchez would have to agree to it and work out a Multi year extension beforehand… No one wants Sanchez that bad… But that type of compensation is the only thing that makes sense trading away your seasons insurance?… If Bill Obrien likes him enough to build his team around him he can offer us Clowney lol

  193. 193 anon said at 8:25 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    Fantasy question. Jamaal Charles or McCoy?

  194. 194 A_T_G said at 8:27 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    I’ve had Andy Reid backs before, take McCoy.

    I hope you pick first. Last year I got McCoy in the second round, this year I couldn’t get him with the second pick.

  195. 195 anon said at 9:20 PM on August 25th, 2014:

    yeah picked first. last year i got doug martin w/ the # 2 pick. I took mccoy. Hopefully they call some run plays in the red zone.