Saturday FA Update
Posted: March 7th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 487 Comments »Lots of news, but still no news at all. I’m sure some of you think that sentence means I’ve been hitting the PBRs already today, but nothing could be further from the truth. This is just the state of confusion we find ourselves in leading up to and even during free agency.
The Eagles have not re-signed anyone. There haven’t been any reports of them reaching out to free agents, which became legal today at noon.
Let’s go over what has happened and the reports that are out there.
* One bit of bad news. Houston re-signed CB Kareem Jackson. That takes away a possible Eagles target. It also takes someone off the market that other teams could have been interested in.
The other bad part of this is the deal…4 years, $34M with $20M guaranteed. That is huge money for a pretty good player.
* Still sounds like the Eagles are going hard for Byron Maxwell.
No one will be surprised if it happens, but a source indicates the #Eagles are definitely out in front for CB Byron Maxwell.
— Rand Getlin (@Rand_Getlin) March 7, 2015
Seems as if money is equal, Byron Maxwell will land w/ Jags, but quote from source,"I honestly think Philly is going to outbid everybody"
— Jayson Braddock (@JaysonBraddock) March 7, 2015
He is the top CB and a great fit. Makes too much sense for them not to go hard after him.
* Maxwell isn’t the only DB the Eagles could go hard after.
A league source says the #Eagles have made safety Devin McCourty a top priority. #Patriots still want him back.
— Charles Robinson (@CharlesRobinson) March 7, 2015
I think McCourty should be the top priority for the team, but I’m not as sure on that being true as I am the Eagles wanting Maxwell. The Eagles have some different thoughts at Safety so these reports may or may not be true.
* No update on the Eagles and Jeremy Maclin. There is a report out of Houston that the Texans will go after Mac. He had a big game down there this year so that makes some sense.
Maclin is a tough player to get a feel for. He isn’t worth $10M per year. Maclin is a terrific WR and a player you want on your team, but there is nothing special about him. He put up great numbers for the Eagles, but there is a difference in that and being a player that defenses fear. I absolutely want him back…at the right price. If some other team is willing to overpay him, you must let Maclin go and look elsewhere.
The best case scenario is that Maclin and his agent will talk to teams and figure out he’s not going to get elite money. They can then work out a good deal with the Eagles. Maclin is going to get good money from someone. I think he is hoping some team might be willing to throw great money at him. I doubt that happens, but can’t blame him for at least trying to get that kind of deal.
* With Trent Cole gone, there is a need for OLB help.
#Jaguars #Eagles #Redskins #Cowboys and #Colts are all looking to kick tires on pass rushing OLBs.
— Charles Robinson (@CharlesRobinson) March 7, 2015
Keep an eye on Brian Orakpo. #Eagles. RT @NFLDraftTalk365 Is Philly in on any OLBs?
— Charles Robinson (@CharlesRobinson) March 7, 2015
* DE Cedric Thornton got a 2nd round tender from the Eagles. That means if a team wants to sign him, they will have to give the Eagles a 2nd round pick. In other words, he’s not going anywhere. Hopefully the Eagles can work out an extension for Thornton. As for now…
Cedric Thornton said he will sign tender from #Eagles. "I want to play for nobody (but) Philly." Will make $2.3 mil baring unforeseen offer.
— Jeff McLane (@Jeff_McLane) March 7, 2015
* A bit of QB news.
Will Mark Sanchez be back with the #Eagles? http://t.co/8hAQVPeaHl
— Eliot Shorr-Parks (@EliotShorrParks) March 7, 2015
There is a lot to be said for bringing Sanchez back. A big part of that is the lack of good options. But you also wonder if he would improve with another year in the system.
Eagles free agency buzz, Part 2: What do internal discussions about Tarvaris Jackson mean about Chip's QB direction? http://t.co/2t9eSO124a
— Geoff Mosher (@GeoffMosherCSN) March 7, 2015
See, those are some of the options.
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Just posted this in the old thread:
The fact that other teams are able to re-sign some of their own free agents before they hit the open market shall keep us all worried about Maclin possibly not returning to the Eagles.
Apparently roughly 20% only of Free Agents hitting Free Agency re-sign with their ‘current’ team. Paired with the fact that Maclin will be the most sought after at his position makes me believe that the odds won’t be in the Eagles favor.
God forbid if McCourty also re-signs with the Pats before Tuesday…
Personally I don’t see Mac being back in Philly because the cheese will be bigger somewhere else.
But it won’t be tastier except maybe in Wisconsin and if they’re not going to pay Cobb they’re not going to pay Maclin.
No it shouldn’t…. When you look at the cards in the Eagles hand, and the cards Maclins agent holds, without the tag, it was unrealistic to ever expect MACLIN to sign anything with anyone before Wednesday… Why the fuck would he? He has every bit of leverage, he is the #1 WR on the market.. All it takes is one inferior WR to get overpaid and Mac value increases. Wtf does he have to gain by rushing to sign anything? NITHING
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I understand if a comment section on a blog won’t understand. But it’s fuckin criminal that the philly media haven’t broken this down for Fans,
but why nickle and dime your own players and then overpay FAs?
you arent nickel and diming anyone.. at the end of the day, Maclin vs, Eagles will be a win for Mac. Eagles will pay closer to what Mac wants, then close to what the eagles would like…. they arent nickel and diming anyone, MACLIN WONT SIGN ANYTHING BEFORE WEDNESDAY! its not the eagles fault, its not Maclin fault, the media hasnt informed fans well enough about the proper timeline for this negotiation so fans are losing their minds when it hasnt happened yet and the eagles wont say anything…NOTHING IS WRONG..we are still on course to work this out, WEDNESDAY, not a day earlier. yes I know free agency starts on tuesday, wednesday is very specific!! take it how you want it
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all i know is every single year at this time, im arguing with this board saying something completely against what the media has been telling them, no one believes me/… few days later the ones with class appologize…yet yall still want to do this? do i sound like im fucking guessing? really? LOl… DROPS THE MIC
FOR THE LAST TIME…unless some dumb team starts throwing around 14.5-16mil, we are fine..;.take it however yall want it,…feel free to rubmy nose in this on wednesday. i tried…
I understand if a comment section on a blog won’t understand
Hahahah. Nostradamus has spoken.
I am not necessarily a fan of those two things happening, but oh boy I would love to see your face if/when Mac signs elsewhere and Mariota getting drafted by the Eagles. Priceless. Lol.
its not meant as disrespect…what chance do we have when not a single media member has even introduced a hint of a possibility about what im saying… its not an insult,. wtf can we expect with media like this? we are worse then uninformed, we are brainwashed into believing blatant absurdities by morons who are really bad at their jobs and amazingly dont get held accountable… we dont stand a chance as fans with this media.
Resign Thornton already. 5yr/22m is hardly that expensive for one of the best run defenders in the league.
Why? Might as well wait out a bit
For what? No 3-4 DE besides Watt make mega bucks in the first place and no mid-round rookies/our depth guys are even on Thorntons level.
U are talking about a two down player
He’s not an elite DE, think about it maybe a team will cough up a second or maybe I guy like Cam Jordan becomes available or maybe a guy in the draft falls, no reason to give it to him now might as well wait and like Geagle said he’s just a 2 down player
Available? There’s like 4+ players on the Saints that will get cut before Jordan. Ced has been improving every year and while he might not put the sack numbers he’s flat out great at what the team needs him to do.Ced is a year older than Jordan and a ton cheaper anyway.
You’re the only Eagles beat I know who is so-so on McCourty. By all accounts he is a perfect fit for everything the Eagles want at Safety.
Basically a more talented version of Malcolm Jenkins.
If Patriots don’t lock him up then the Eagles will be first in line.
Maxwell, Jenkins, and McCourty is a lethal secondary. I wonder who the second corner will be.
You mean House, Jenkins, McCourty
If anything Maxwell, Jenkins, McCourty, and House. Although I’m not in love with House.
If Maxwell knows what’s good for him he comes to Philly.
I think he goes to Jax, think Eagles will only pay one of McCourty and Max and I’m thinking the latter will be playing somewhere else. As much as I’d love both its hard to justify paying 10 to Max 9 to Devon and 11 to Mac with so many needs
That’s what, 30 Mill? Still have roughly 20 left in cap. We’re fine.
Were still gonna roll over plus OLB, CB2?, G, RB and extensions may come into play while I’d love for you to be right I doubt it
Typically, the way contracts are structured, the cap hit in the first few years are not the same as the annual average. The key in any contract is the guaranteed money. Depending on how the contract is structured(signing bonus versus roster bonus versus guaranteed salary), a team could theoretically pay all the guarantees in the first 2 or 3 years of the deal and the latter years of the contract are essentially dummy years that inflate the annual average.
His opinion is McCourty should be top priority. He’s saying he’s not sure Eagles will fill he’s best fit for our scheme. Remember last year, Byrd was universally regarded as the best safety but the Eagles thought Jenkins was a better fit. With the safety position, each team tends to vary wildly in how they judge them. If you look into the draft, more than any other position, there’s a wild variance between how the draftniks rate them pre-draft and how they’re actually selected. Two of the biggest “Who?” selections in the draft in recent years were safeties – Mike Mitchell and Tavon Wilson.
But from everything I’ve heard McCourty is a perfect fit for us. So the Eagles should have no problems with him.
The Eagles were on record multiple times saying they want versatile interchangeable safeties. Not just one deep center fielder or a just a hard hitter.
McCourty is versatile, can cover, is instinctual, has the measurables, and intangibles the Eagles are looking for. If he hits the market the Eagles will be on him like white on rice.
True, but possibly they don’t want to pay a safety what McCourty will command.
Yeah that’s the only hiccup. But they certainly have a lot of spending money unless someone else drops a disgustingly large offer.
But I personally hope McCourty would be smart enough to know that outside of NE we’re probably his next best shot at winning the big one.
“I wonder who the second corner will be.”
After free agency finally shakes out, I’m going to guess “Boykin in a pair of platform shoes…”
Apparently the Eagles were in serious talks for Kareem Jackson. 1inch taller than Boykin.
McCourty is my FA priority for the Eagles.
I didn’t word that sentence well in the post. I’ve fixed it. While I like McCourty, I do wonder if the Eagles are truly all-in on him.
Ready???
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Davon House
maclin
Virgil Green
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Saftey I hope for Searcy or McCourty, but I’m not that worried because if we won’t get them, we will snatch up Rahim or Gilchrist
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If we don’t trade Vinny for Dion Jordan, I assume they will sign Brooks Reed, Worlids,Sheard or McPhee…good thing is if the Dion trade happens, it will happen NOW not at the draft..l
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Can’t think of who else could be a surprise signing? RFA tender on Andre Holmes and Tashuan Gipson?
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Am I ocerlooking any guards?
House/McCourty/Mac/Greene/Sheard? Excuse me while I go get some new pants
Downgrade McCourty and it would be more realistic.. Only one guy is the top at his position and its Macin, we can pay top dollar for our own.. signing Searcy or Rahim will be close to jenkins price, a little more… House is not the top two guys at his position, Virgil ismt a top target…l Sheard or Reed are like the 7th ranked OLB.
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Sounds more realistic then the crqo getting thrown around about signing multiple top players at their positions which I don’t buy even a little bit
I don’t believe they will sign Mac n McCourty, and Mac is a lock
Can I downgrade Sheard to Reed because House/Mac/McCourty/Reed/Greene is still filthy
Certainly works for me… I’m not the one that’s telling the Eagles not to pay for McCourty
Guess we’ve taken too much from the Texans… Coming back on us today.
Mac stays. No worries
I get the whole agent game… But I am not so sure like you are. Hoping for the best but with each passing hour/day, percentages go down. Especially now that he knows for sure what he can get. Also the Texans have interest in cb, s, olb
Say the Eagles wanted McCourty, Maxwell and a few players at another position. Once it seems like Maxwell is going elsewhere that opens up more of your cap room that you might then be willing to go back to Maclin’s agent and increase your offer. Fluid, interdependent process.
Mac isn’t going anywhere unless a terrible franchise loses its mind and starts talking 15-16mi,.. I know it!! If Mac signs with someone else for under 14, you can bash me for it every day for the next 3 years… Just watch
Under 14? so let’s Texans offered 5/66 with 24 guaranteed, you’d match that?
Depends how it’s written, when we can get out of it, how easy is it to adjust in two years….. What I would do, I don’t view as the same as what I think chip will do…
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Funny how everyone operates under the notion that chip will draft duck 3 rounds early, he will pay anything For Marriotta, but people find it that hard to believe he will pay a mil or two more for Mac? Not to mention if FOles played all year Macs numbers would be astronomical
Man I hope he’s back get him and McCourty and FA is a wrap for me, just hope he doesn’t get stupid money
Fester.., between me and you, I owe you a drink if Mac ISNT an eagle
I don’t drink lol but I wouldn’t want it cuz I want Mac here
Lol Buddhist monk jk
I think if he was willing to pay Maclin what you’re suggesting he would at the minimum of assigned the transition tag which would give him a salary of $10.95M and give us the right to match any offers he receives elsewhere.
transition tag?
Yes, I mistyped. My mistake.
Franchise tag is like 13
Transition tag, not franchise tag.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24749485/nfl-franchise-tags-position-by-position-projected-numbers
To be honest, I think both sides want this to happen to the point they aren’t even worried about it…. Maclins price was always going up and be will always allow us to match someone else offer, so why tag him and automatically start his negotiation value at 13mil? For what? He doesn’t want to leave us… Not tagging him is why we can still talk that 11mil right now… If we have to end up going up around the tag price, so be it, but don’t concede that as the starting point in the negotiation,l.you have no reason to when you dealing with someone who really wants to stay and will ATleast give you the chance to match whatever his top offer is
If offering Mac 10M/year for 4 or 5 years isn’t already more than his true value, I’ve missed something. I think franchise can be flexible over details, but .1 over 10M is not worth the asking price. Line has got to be somewhere.
line has got to be drawn somewhere? for a coach that wants to draft ducks 3 rounds early just to make sure?
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there has to be a line in the sand? from the fanbase that spends every single day talking about bending over and get raped for whatever some team wants because we absolutely have to have this extremely talented kid who outside of Manziel may be the least unprepared college QB ready to make the jump to the pro game/? where the marriotta line in the sand? all im talking about is chip spending an extra mil or two not to take a shit on the locker room he allegfedly made every move for two years to build.
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hey jordan Mathews.. I know you like to work your ass off and strive to be as great as you can, just make sure you dont become too great, we would hate to lose you because you are too awesome..
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apparently Jordan Mathews just spent the year watching the classy veteran who took him under his wing even if his playing spot was at jeopardy, and was selfless to help raise a rookie at his position while he is on a Prove it deal? the one year prove it deal, most important year of Macs career, he out performed every expectations, set the best example you can ever hope for from Huff and Jordan, but now you will tell the locker room, Maclin just played too good to be an eagle? really? the same coach who trades away all our talent, talks that culture beats scheme shit and he will now going into year 3 and take a dumb all over the locker room? got it
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because he would rather overpay Cobb and give him 11, instead of what giving Mac 12.5? write the difference off as paying for continuity, and your locker room instead of saving a mil and a half paying an inferior unknown…
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and if thats all not bad enough, we talking about a position we have no money invested in. its not like paying Maclin means we are just paying too mucvh for one position, you have shit invested in the position. Coops contract is ripped up next year, Brads is off the books now, Maehl is paid in welfare stamps, and you have two rookie WRs making unde a mil each for the next 3 years, but you gonna risk it all because you cant ,live with giving Mac 13 instead of 11? REALLY?
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WTF you think Mac would have cost if Foles played all year instead of playing what 8 games with a QB he had no chemistry with who didnt even have the arm strength to use him…and paying Maclin Ow is hard? WTF would have happened if Foles played all year? we would be talking about 12.5 as a discount right now, thats what.
see bill belicheck
I appreciate your passion and I really like JMAC, and I am NOT on the MM bandwagon. My argument is simply apples to apples, JMAC is not among top 5, very possibly not among top 10 in the NFL. If your point is we are stuck, I agree. And in your reading of Chip, I am inclined to agree there as well. In an abstract world where you ascribe value by comparing products, Eagles will pay Maclin more than he is worth, in my opinion. It couldn’t befall a better guy. My concern is the team: overpay for player X, and players Y and Z may become cynical. Not a culture for “winning the day”.
Yeah ok..remember what you just said on Wednesday,
When I start to get emotionally invested in Eagles landing any particular FA, I remember the holes they have to fill:
CB, CB, S, pass rush OLB, G, RB, WR
$50M is a nice chunk of salary cap to work with, but it won’t land great players at all those positions.
Oh, and if Chip likes Kendricks, Cox, or Boykin, all of them are entering a a contract year and Eagles might want to extend them now.
For Maclin, I think it’s about the guaranteed money and contract structure. If it’s $20M and the team can get out after 2 years, I say pull the trigger. Although he isn’t elite, one thing I find special about him is his ability to make difficult catches. He also makes a lot of catches. Those things and the fact replacing him means someone new learning the offense. I’d rather overpay Maclin a couple million than overpay Torrey Smith a couple million, even tho Maclin will earn significantly more.
Now, if someone wants to pay Maclin $25M-$30M in guaranteed money, I understand letting him walk.
It will be interesting to see what happen if Eagles “miss” on all the big Ms – McCourty, Maclin and Maxwell. Does Chip panic and overpay 2nd tier FAs? Hopefully, not.
Thinking some terribke franchise has to offer Mac like something insane 14.5-16 per year for us to lose him ..
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11.5-13.5 will get it done for us in the end I assume
So you’d be paying him $12m/year?!
No thanks, I’ll pass…
chip will
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lol kind of hope you get your way, watch the eagles lose Mac over like a mil and a half when we have nothing invested in the position anyway… then when free agency and the draft ends and we have 20mil in cap space left and you are watching Coop as your most reliable outside WR, you can tell me how happy you are we saved a mil and a half on Maclin,
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part of me wants people to actually start getting what they wish for.. get rid of Nick, draft the shotgun offense QB, get rid of Maclin while we are at it….. whats next years story… Chip is such an awesome coach we can afford to lose Fletcher Cox because he will be too dominant next year? hope everyone gets their way,. the same fanbase that wont let go of earl thomas… still needs to learn the hard way? part of me would like to see it LOL… id be willing for you to all get your way, just give kendricks,Cox,Foles,Mac to the Bills and i hope all your biggest wishes come true… and 3 years from now we can chat
Brian T. Smith @ChronBrianSmith 1h1 hour ago
Kareem Jackson drew serious interest from #Eagles, #Jets; offers were comparable. Stayed with #Texans because of what O’Brien is building.
Kareem Jackson was one of the guys I predicted the Eagles would sign. At least feels good to know they were in on him. Nice player.
In the previous thread I was postulating on what exactly O’Brien is building that forced KJ to stay. I’m curious what others think, but here’s my guess:
– Lazy river with miniature golf course in the center.
230 pound peanut butter cup?
– A year-round replica of the rat room from Brigantine Castle.
A matchstick sculpture of Notre Dame de Paris?
Rube Goldberg machine?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qybUFnY7Y8w
A Lamborghini out of a Fiero?
Jeff McLane
@Jeff_McLane
6m6 minutes ago
Jeremy Maclin wanted around $11 mil a year. #Eagles got to $9 mil during season. He won’t get to $11 in free agency w/ Randall Cobb ahead.
Jeff McLane
@Jeff_McLane
4m4 minutes ago
Wouldn’t say that. Will depend on how he views himself and what advice he’s getting. RT @IlladelphAC: so hes not coming back is he
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So, split the difference. 5 years, $50M, $20M guaranteed(in first 3 years of contract).
That would be ideal, just get that out of the way, the question is if Mac is willing to take less than teams are offering, cuz he might be getting offered that 11
Based on what the Packers’ beat writers are saying, it sounds like Cobb is being offered that and I’d have to think considering age, versatility and injury history that Cobb would be offered more than Maclin.
Slot receiver vs outside receiver. There’s probably a differential there.
I don’t think Cobb is strictly slot, plus he’s 24, with more production that Mac innpast years and less injury history he may very well get more *fingers crossed*
plus he’s a great return guy. i think theyd command about the same. dez getting 12 mac getting 11?
Dez will get a new contract that pays him over 15
after this year
Who’s going to throw to him in 2017? Dez is probably gone from the Cowgirls after 2016.
you think? cobb has aaron rodgers
Bum compared to Nasty Nick.
Yawn.., no worries LOL 😉
And how many people have been saying 10m here now? I wouldn’t give Maclin 5 years though. He’s not the type of WR to age well.
Guarantees would be in first 3 years of deal so he could be released after that without cap penalty.
Just bring him back…
NO WORRIES!!!!!
This MACLIN debate is frustrating…. Will anyone think a tad bit deeper then the simple minded crap our media has put in their brains the past two weeks? I don’t even care about WRs and I see it…. Why is no one seeing the way the process works for a mac? Grrrr. Where the hell can I have an accurate debate about this? Doom n gloom because Mac hasn’t signed? Why the hell would he? WTF does he have to gain? NOTHING! #1’WR on the market, why rush, when all it takes is one inferior WR to get paid a little more then he is supposed to and Mac value increases… He won’t sign anything wifh anyone before wednesday ..he won’t even sign Tuesday,l…smart negotiation tactics, do not equal losing MACLIN automatically… Jesus Christ.. Wish someone in the median ould do their friggim job and educate the public so we don’t have to doom n gloom for no reason, and we can actually accurately debate this .. Stupid simple minded media. I hate them,..
Maclin’s gone.
Yeah I know
Inside info or just reading tea leaves?
A little of both. According to Chip insiders, $12- $13 is too high a valuation for WR in the scheme. Tea Leaves say $9 – $10 is appropriate.
now i know you are lying 🙂 you didnt hear anything. because i know that if you did, you wouldnt have said that, believe THAT! LOL…. i cant say what i want to say, said enough already anyway…this isnt worth me getting in trouble.. we will see whats up wednesday.
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good night boys, rather talk about this wednesday when we can speak more freely LOL. enjoy your evenings
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no more Mac talk til weds
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#checkmate
So you’re saying you’ve heard the Eagles have a deal for say 12-13 a year with Mac on the table? Right? He can look around and this offer will be waiting???
As always, you are the one true Eagles-whisperer on this board, who solely understands the direction the enigmatic Chip Kelly is taking this team.
Kudos to you sir, kudos.
Out of curiosity, by “have an accurate debate…” you mean a debate where people agree with you?
To be fair, those are the best kind…
The Broncos have made a multi-year offer to free agent TE Virgil Green.
Well time to try to get Gresham to replace Celek then.
He may not like the deal
He could cash in or he could catch passes from Peyton Manning and have a better shot at the Superbowl.
He might want the cash plus Denver has like 1 year window for thus thing he could be on a rebuilding team in a couple of years
This is pretty much his only big contract. Idk anything about Green’s personality but yea the safe bet is he’ll go cash in somewhere.
shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cobb for $11 MM >>> Mac at $10 MM.
might mouses?
And just to be clear (it’s been many years since my last math equation), the alligator eats the greater number, right?
correct! 100! A+++
correct! 100! A+++
You should have given him a sticker with a smiley face.
Wait, so a 100 is an A+++? I wouldn’t know…
You can’t sign Sanchez hoping he’ll improve. He is what he is. I do think he can step in effectively as long as the running game is strong.
You need him for Mariota.
You don’t think Kinne could be the bridge QB?
Only if it’s a draw bridge.
Draw bridge.
Surprised to hear Jags as front runner for Maxwell if money equal. I understand the Gus Bradley connection but one of Maxwell’s three criteria was to play for a winning organization. Jags ain’t that.
Also, Jags have more money than us so if they wanted him, they could get him.
Income tax, money isn’t really equal… Unfair advantage really
cost of living as well
yeah but why would anyone want to live in jacksonville on purpose? ewww
Calling my shot….
Eagles will sign CB Buster Skrine
Very similar to Chris Harris. Can play slot CB and outside and with Cleveland played outside CB in press-man scheme.
who?
Cleveland. Kept that high first-round pick Justin Gilbert glued to the bench.
Buster kept the bust glued to the bench. Sounds like a poem.
Or a way to remember notes on a scale…
Browns corner
Liked skrine at the beginning of this process but kind of gave up on him because of the whole measurables thing. Any reports of interest? Or are we wishing?
No reports of interest but that may be a good thing.
i seriously like my odds more at signing someone when we havent been linked to the player…so skrine certainly has that going for him,.. I like the scrappy way he plays..would be awesome if he were 6ft
He’s 5’9″
Although we did apparently make an offer to Kareem Jackson…
isnt Kareem closer to like 5’11? like an inch short of 6ft? or like 10.5 or somethin?
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when you want 6ft corners, prob a big difference between 5’10-5’11 and 5’9-5’8
i dunno man, he is tiny…dont think he will be cheap tho… kid can play, id be surprised if he is a top 2 target at this point… not a bad player tho, atleast you are thinking for yourself outside the box… thats probably better odds then half the crap being reported as fact… but if they would sign Buster skrine, they would have signed Flowers last year and some other quality smaller CBs they passed on dont you think? just playing devils advocate
One issue with him is he gets penalized way too often. When you play on a team that has been bad in the past though and don’t have an established reputation, the refs tend to pick on you. As far as Flowers and the past, it seems like with the addition of Undlin as DBs coach, they may have changed their philosophy regarding outside CBs. They apparently made an offer to the 5-10 Jackson and were rumored to be interested in the 5-9 McCain.
We didn’t sign anyone last year really but Skrine is a baller I mentioned him a couple months ago but he’s small so I assumed we wouldn’t have interest
so were guys like Flowers two years ago when we settled on 6’0 200lb Bradley fletcher..whos the other shorty, sheilds? there was another good shorty we passed on for taller stiffs
Lol I’m done being nervous (I hope) I’m just here to enjoy the ride
Pretty much what I’m doing. Whatever they do, I’m willing to let this go where it does. If he goes for Mariota or if he doesn’t, it’s CK’s show and I want to see how this unfolds.
This is the most interesting bit of football in this town for a long time.
To state the obvious: The disaster would be if the Eagles cut everyone with the expectation to sign a bunch of free agents but they all ended up elsewhere. But that can’t happen… right…?
yeah it could, they seem to be really disciplined
To state the obvious… The players that are gone led this team to miss the playoffs last year… Can’t stay mediocre forever.. Something has to change
Oh yea, I am completely on board with the cuts they made, but it would suck if they can’t attract the players to spend hte money on.
I hear what you’re saying about Maclin not being a Calvin Johnson or Dez Bryant-level game changer Tommy… But if they let him walk this offense is looking at losing its two best skill players with no replacements in place. That’s scary, and I have a feeling we’re looking at an offense that takes a step back next season no matter who is playing quarterback.
kelly had skill positino players at oregon that racked up stats. where are they now? rbs, wrs, and qbs.
considering he can score 30 points in college just by having the more dominant OL…???
think he thinks similarly about the pros – see djax, mccoy, now mac.
but coop is rich…. LOL BRILLIANT!
You can beat Washington or UCLA by out scheming them. But in the NFL you need talent to win. Has everyone really forgotten when Andy Reid thought he didn’t need to go get an elite WR because he could scheme James Thrash, Todd Pinkston, and Freddie Mitchell to a Super Bowl title?
doesnt matter.. we still have SCHEME!! even tho we will have pissed away our Culture… atleast chip will outscheme the world,. he doesnt need talent, havent you heard? sarcasm font
From the Mosher report, I’m intrigued by Jake Locker.
we have to understand that when we are talking about the top guys at their position, its not easy at all…like we have to LOVE the #1 option on the market in every way possible because there is always a putrid franchise looking to make a splash, that knows it has no chance of getting serious quality without overpaying for it….Thats the complication for a team like us… im sure we have interest in 90% of the top guys at their position, but which can we pull off at a price we can live with?… for example… Jags most likely be one of Max’s best offers.Max has no ties to us, so one of two things have to happen for us to sign him:
1) straight up beat the Jaguars offer/…which means $$$$$$
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2) hopefully he views you as a much more attractive option and is willing to sign with you as long as you get somewhere near the ballpark the Jags set
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so its not as simple as we have 50mil, go sign the 3 top guys at 3 positions.
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i just used Max as a generic example… realistically thats probably a bad example, becxause we dont know about the Gus Bradley variable.. we might be the better team, but he may view reuniting with Gus Bradley as a better option, which flips the table, we would have to make the highest offer and he would give the Jags a chance to get in the ball park
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these crappy franchises with Brinks trucks worth of Cap space make everything complicated,.
Those of you who didn’t want Mark Ingram will be happy:
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
38s39 seconds ago
Saints and RB Mark Ingram have reached agreement on a four-year deal, per league source.
nice
nice… but i dont think he was ever even considered./…doubt we sign any backs, unless its someone so cheap he might not make our roster if we draft a RB
Saints were a reported $22M over the cap. Even with a few recent restructures, I’m pretty sure they have to make a few more moves before they can sign anyone.
Not just $22M over the cap, they also have to raise money for this season’s bounties…
That money’s been sitting around in a brown paper lunch bag in the locker room. Funny thing is, no one’s moved it because no one’s sure what’s in the bag, and they’re worried it might be a parting gift from Williams.
Good, but where the hell are the Saints getting money
Junior Gallette has an absurd roster bonus. He will be restructured. Curtis Lofton will save them some money too. They have no choice but to get there.
I mean its just weird that a team 20 M over is handing out 4 year deals
salary cap is all a big scam… its just something GMs and Owners made up to justify not spending all they can to the fans and media… teams do whatever they want, sign whoever for 5 years straight, cut a few players in year 6, and then they get 5 more years of doing whatever the want,,, cap is a scam, too easy to move and free up money. dont let any team tell you they dont have money to get something done, unless its the 1 out of every 6 years that they have to pay the piper and cut a few dudes
Who dat? Who dat? Who dat say dey gonna take dem paycuts?
I heard they canceled their bus and plane charters and are just going to go marching in to away games.
Wonder what the money is… Need a benchmark for mid tier rbs like Vereen and Spiller
Thrilled!
4/$16 i hear
“those of you who didnt want mark ingram will be happy”….
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and then 300 posters who wont even agree on what day it is, all cheer and Roar!!!
I notice a ton of people worrying about overpaying for Maclin. Assuming, as many of us do, that Chip will go get MM in the draft are any of you factoring in Maclin’s value in MM’s developement? In a vaccum 11-12mil is too much for Maclin. If Chip gets his guy the single most important thing for this franchise is MM developing into an elite QB. To me it is worth an extra 2-3mil to help in that developement of Mariota.
of course not… too next level thinking 🙂
Assuming they get him, Mariota won’t be great next year. Rookie QBs never are. But with a receiving corps of Jordan Matthews, Riley Cooper, and Josh Huff he’ll struggle even more.
Im not sure if you are agreeing with me or not, but that is my point. MM will struggle some as a rookie, but by year 2-3 needs to be playing at a high level. Giving him weapons will only help him reach that goal.
why do people expect dream team free agent defense on 1 hand, but a 3yr offensive rebuild on the other hand? is that even possible?
Well when the person next up to replace Maclin has already played with MM for a few years. Would’t it only benefit MM’s development if Huff got more playing time?
No. That is competely flawed reasoning. With that logic why didnt we go get Juron Criner for Foles.
Maclin is an experienced, reliable, talent reciever that would provide MM with a safety blanket as he gets use to the NFL. We are waiting on Huff to show enough consistency to even get on the field and earn more playing time.
What are we going to do with that extra 2-3 mil that everyone is so concerned about that would better serve MM in his developement than giving it to Mac?
NOTHING!! NOT A DAMN THING! THE EAGLES WILL ALWAYS, i repeat ALWAYS keep atleast 5mil cap space available as emergency fund, they rationalize as incase a great unexpected opportunity like trading for sproles pops up…when does that pop up[,once every 5 years? means 4 or every 5 years emergency 5mil cap fund is collecting dust, while we cntinue to lack talent
my favorite part is, when the season starts and the eagles still have 20mil of unspent cap space, are people going to cheering the eagles that they lost maclin over 1.5mil? lol
we cheered through loss of b.dawk, TO, djax, McCoy and Maclin probably Foles. It’s a team, it’s bigger than one player.
Can’t convince your young guys they’ll get paid here.
jordan Mathews better take it easy. He better not work his ass off to become too great, or he will find his ass out of here in 4 years..
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THANK GOD we didnt draft Odell Beckham, you KNOW he is so good that he would be IMPOSSIBLE for the Eagles to pay, especially when chip is so awsome he doesnt need talent…thank god we dodged the ODB bullet
thank GOD we dodged the ODB bullet… chip and the great Marriotta scoff at paying a guy like ODB. they dont need him… they have “scheme”:… lets save that money fans!!! who cares if we lose the young talent we draft and cultivate? we can become an NFL feeder team like the bills.. who drafts and develops talent for all the real franchises
I’m with you. The same fans who are worried about this littel extra money spent on Mac will criticize the eagles for being too cheap to spend all their cash. We hear “salary cap champs” used often amongst eagles fans, but we want to penny pinch and risk losing Mac
amazing… the eagles really managed to brainwash us into rooting for them to lose great players so we can save money, that we wont ever spend anyway… the 1.5mil we save pissing on our locker room and jettisoning maclin, will NEVER make a difference, we will never spend it… they will ALWAYS have atleast 5mil unspent cap on emergency reserve, and they managed to brainwash fans into losing Great young talent that we draft and develop over 1.5 that wont ever be spent onb anything else….amazing. its the most genius accompliusment any business has ever pulled off… the only way a company can beat that feat, is to get us to start paying for the air we breathe,, people lost their damn minds
not to mention, even if you have to pay a little more for Maclin this year, how does that matter when we cut Coop next year and his salary is replaced with a rookie that will make less then a mil a year for the next 4 years? while we will still have two more years of Huff and Jordan each making what, under a mil each per year…
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so after this next season, Coop would be gone and we would have Maclin salary and atleast 3 rookie contracts at WR making less then a mil each,…thats CHUMP CHANGE invested in one position, and people cry about what we have to pay Mac next year? who the hell cares? on what level does it even remotely matter? no one will slap your hands because you rewarded a class act who played his ass off. the locker room will appreciate you paying to keep Mac if anything…
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what exactly is a remotely rational argument for not paying him? besides having an extra mil and a half in the emergency salary cap fund that we wont ever use?
Posted in wrong spot.. Damned phone.
He thought he had Tom Brady.
And he made some dumb coaching decisions – i.e. taking the ball out of Staley’s hands against Carolina, not having them ready vs. St. Louis…
Edit: Not ready vs. TB. St. Louis was an old/injury issue at CB.
we were told talent didnt matter last year, now people are basically saying he will take a chainsaw to our locker room, so i guess culture no longer matters, gee if only we didnt spend two years making every single friggin decision in the name of culture, apparently thats done now too…. No more talent, No more culture… dudes just gonna out scheme them all apparently..
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just the fact that a coach gets cute with that bullshit culture beats talent irks the crap out of me… what kind of close minded idiot thinks that way? andy reid? Linebackers dont matter! we dont need punt returners..
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why would anyone want to chose between talent and culture, and scheme? can i get a friggin coach that prioritizes having ALL THREE?
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is there a rule we canbt strive to be elite talents, with a championship culture and sound scheme? or did I miss the league Mandate that said every coach can only have 1 of the 3?
There was one of those typical Philly media “Chip has smartest man in the room syndrome” hot takes on philly.com the other day.. I’m a bit worried that this time the knuckleheads may have a point.
Nick Kayal. It was a definite hot takes, his comparisons between Reid and CK were laughable.
He’s a radio guy I think that’s trying to drum up listeners. CK consults with everyone, which is the opposite of “smartest man in the room syndrome.” He talks to economics professors, navy guys, you name it.
CK may be a lot of things, but I don’t think he’s that.
that dude is a moron.. he invented his own logo, its like a big K, why does that moron have a platform? “super K”..gtfo here… i want to cry, this is what my beloved fanbase is subjected to, elliot shor parker, Mosher, McClane and super K…. i dont know whether to laugh or cry as an eagle fan
I don’t hate these guys, they make a living the best way they know how. In this case it’s making a story where there is none.
Everyone has to make a buck somehow, these guys do it by drumming up sports stories where there are none. It’s like the 24-hour news cycle, but sports.
well radio host and media is two very different things… a radio host job is more geered towards being able to hold discussions and keep fans engaged long periods of time..a sport talk host shouldnt be looked at as a source of news IMO.. you cant really crush them for being inaccurate,, but beat reporters need to be held accountable and obviously that doesnt happen here… when CSN is starting to put elliot shorr parker on tv more and more, something is seriously wrong with the picture.
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sure a guy like angelo Cataldi is clueless, but i think people who look to him as a source of news or factual sports coverage are even more clueless…. however a guy with a news platform like Mosher, fans should be able to trust him…what do you get from trusting him? walk around expecting the opposite of reality half the time?..
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so Nick Kayal gets a pass on that front, i blame the fan that looks to him as a news source more then i blame him…. but the “Logo”? thats a little bit much… its like top 10 all douchebag move up there with wearing an eagle jersey with your last name on it lol
Is it bad I have a logo?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/75/Avery_Dennison_(logo).svg/1024px-Avery_Dennison_(logo).svg.png
LOL NO COMMENT… “your my boy Blue”-Frank the Tank
Love your printer labels…
At least it’s not a Circle K…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veaJCc0Z41w
Maybe, but everything’s kosher.
That’s just the thing, though… all this talking to people who are experts in fields other than football, devotion to sports science, roster tinkering, etc. may be overthinking things.
Football is a complicated sport, but it’s not that complicated. As in every other sport, the team with more talent generally wins. Letting Maclin walk rather than be slightly overpaid, and replacing him with a player who’s salary is commensurate to his talent but who is vastly inferior on the field, is losing sight of the forest for the trees.
I don’t disagree, but we don’t know definitively that Mac is walking. I’m not mad at any of the moves so far, and this is a tough business that requires tough decisions. I hope they keep Mac, and if they do, this is all for naught. If they don’t, then maybe we have a conversation.
oh god… please dont tell me that i sound like a philly.com writer… thats like the meanest thing anyone has ever said to me here lol…TAKE THAT BACK!!!!!
Geoff Mosher
@GeoffMosherCSN
29s30 seconds ago
Nevermind. Source tells me #Eagles didn’t not show interest in Mark Ingram. Also told no interest in Reggie Bush.
Good!
I second this!
mosher is like the scarecrow.. someone get this idiot a brain.
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there isnt 1 single friggin aspect of Ingrams game that translates to what we do other then the lazy simple minded connection to Manywitz school alabama, as if his opinion even matters.. chip is the big baller shot caller.. Howie didnt get hi9s florida boys with chip here, why would marwnyowtiz get crappy alabama RBs or DBs?
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mosher is an embarrassment
I said it before and I will say it again: Mosher is a hack!
“Ohhhhhhh Them Fightin words right there!!! what are you gonna do Mosher????
New Orleans reporters were the ones who initially reported Eagles had shown interest in Ingram.
no shit!! mosher
I just read Jimmy K’s article on not overpaying for Mac. Interesting stuff.
http://www.phillyvoice.com/eagles-should-be-wary-overpaying-jeremy-maclin/
Exactly, we have Quron Pratt.
At least 23 of 32 teams said to be wanting to keep or acquire DBs, whether corners or safeties. The second greatest need seems to be passrushers. Anybody in these categories will be pursued by many teams. It will take skill, and money to land any of them. Gotta think in context of the whole league, folks.
In your mind, do you think this means they stay away from the top and bring in the not-so-publicized ones?
That’s what they did the last two years. I can’t imagine they do that again.
I don’t rule anything out. CK is like the honey badger, he don’t care.
Not sure why contracts are being discussed in money per year. Isnt that irrelevant? If we pay maclin 55 mill/5 years but only 20 is guaranteed, isnt that the more important number?
yes… we like to skew facts to match our opinions… you are absolutely right
Well it would depend on how the contract is structured as well.
i think player’s agents know that. i’m sure mac is very aware of the fact that you aren’t getting close to that money if you’re with this team and you play a skill position.
It’s a business and I can’t hate him for checking the market. He’s gotta do what’s best for Mac.
he isnt doing anything wrong. tuesday night he will bring us his best offer and give us a chance to match(get in the ball park), wednesday I expect to be celebrating Mac remaining an eagle…
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there is no reason for all this assumed negativity and doom and gloom about the mac negotiation..we are still fine. nothing happened… if we tagged him, he would wait til wednesday before he even considered signing the tag…nothing bad happened yet
Agree completely. He’ll use another offer to raise the 9 million to 9.5 maybe and then sign. Smart thing to do.
I’m thinking 9.5 is where he’ll come in at.
if he wants to stay in philly
I hope so. He says that’s what he wants to the media.
He’s a CK guy. He does what’s asked of him and he doesn’t make waves.
“hey yo, razor ramon is in the building chico”.. put down the footy footy football for a minute, sixers T-Robb is a BEAST!!! Bull in the china shop! if he cant rehabilitate his career with the sixers(6th franchise in like 3 years), eagles need to immediately snatch him up and start teaching him the TE position!!!
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or Talk Baylor’s Ricco gathers out of going to the NBA as a 2nd round pick and signing that beast as a UDFA TE
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damn it, without howie does that mean our quest for a basketball player we can convert is on hold? til chip runs away and howie gets his power back?
Jayson Braddock
@JaysonBraddock
11m
11 minutes ago
Eagles and free agent CB Byron Maxwell are getting very close. Hard to see
Jacksonville or Atlanta beating Philly out. Forget climate, $$$
Jayson Braddock
@JaysonBraddock
7m
7 minutes ago
Just to prepare you for sticker shock, Eagles’ fans: Don’t be surprised if
this comes in Top 3-5 in CB $$. Philly really wants him there.
someone just said mac got 5/54 you seeing anything?
i’m also hearing eagles gets mccourty and maxwell
just kidding on maclin deal
wont sign til weds
Not seeing anything when doing a twitter search. From whom did you hear this?
i wish… why do people have to report this? it make me more and more nervous that it wont happen…
That’s gross
dont look now, but Nerlens Noel is about to beat the atlanta Hawks. as in, carrying us in every way
hate the NBA… cant even let us tank in peace, teams sit all their players against us and our coach is too good to compete with the strong tank game of pathetic franchises like the knicks
His defensive game keeps steadily improving. Our frontcourt keeps looking better.
BTW – did you see Embiid’s dunk?
yeah… im telling you if you get a chance to go an hour early, he is always putting on a show… brett brown like watches him and drools..kids doing 360, under the leg dunks, raining 3’s..and poor brett cant play him……. that has to be torture
For all you total Philly sports fans, I really think 3 of 4 teams in this city are moving in the right direction.
Now only if we could get that team across the street to get its act together.
Nerlens Noel: 11pts, 17rebounds, 5steals, 1 block, countless altered shots
Noel and Embiid, get someone above average to run the offense, the Sixers should be very good in a couple of years.
FWIW…
https://twitter.com/JaysonBraddock/status/574394503265542144
you guys are killing me… i feel like a pitcher an inning away from a no hitter and all my team mates are torturing me and trying to make me mess up on purpose…
i think you’re going to be saddened when you hear the numbers.
I’m saddened already
i dont care about numbers, they dont concern me the least bit… thats whatt he money is for, to sign talent!
i dont expect a big free agency to begin with… just the fact they paid for one top guy surprises me… would have rather had McCourty tho
I don’t think anyone should be surprised. Top young CB on the market in a market that has significantly more cap room when comparably talented CBs were signed. If you want him, you have to be willing to pay or he’s going elsewhere.
Unfortunately I saw that disgusting tweet
out of curiosity how can he say Jax wont match? they considered signing Suh for a 100mil, safe to say Gus Bradley and sha kahn can match our offer easily if they want
That’s the scary part if Jax doesn’t match it almost had to be ugly
there are days to match still…no one says they have to match instantly
Maybe Gus Bradley actually knows how good Maxwell is?
you need corners you need corners. we tried to get guys the moneyball way, now we’re going to try the other way.
McCourty though 🙁 between Cromartie, House, Skrine, and others I thought pairing one of them with McCourty would be awesome and cheaper
me too, i’m not on the max. at any cost badwagon, i’m on the mccourty at any cost bandwagon.
If we sign Maxwell to the numbers in hearing… Oh God I can’t even bare the thought
especially when we’ve been nickeling and diming players. no mac, you can’t get 11 but we’ll pay max like he’s revis.
Maclin isn’t worth 11 but Maxwell sure as hell isn’t either
mac stays no matter what happens with Max
But damn top 5 paid corner?! Can’t we just get McCourty?
im with you man….hopefully i get searcy, Max… and trade for Dion since they cant pay an OLB too selling their soul for a corner… rather paid a safety. whack
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if they trade foles they are a joke anyway
Hope it isn’t true or at the very least he’s gassing the price
basically they want us to pay for richard sherman, without us getting Sherman? lol
Well he said top 3-5 which means somewhere between 10-13 probably around 11 which is still bad
the guarentee better not be like a crazy 36 or something
It definitely won’t get that high unless its a freaking 7 year deal which wed never do. Assuming he is right youre looking a 5 years 56mil with 25 guaranteed or something in that ball park which is well bad just hook me up with McCourty for 10 mil less
sheeeeeet id take McCourty at the same price. safety is more important
get me searcy NOW damn It !!! lol
I’d probably take him at same price too because corner is way more deep in FA and the draft
im at the point where ill do anything to not have to talk about needing a safety for another year…you can raise my taxes to pay for searcy.. dead serious
id be fascinated to see an alternate universe where chip leaves right now and Billy davis or Pat Shurm take over as head coach, just out of curiousity, two NFL guys who witness the genius of Kelly up close for two years..how much of what chip does would they keep in place, and what cant they wait to get rid of as soon as chip gets out the door? just curious to see the NFL veteran coaches who are getting both sides of the coin, the old boys club point of view AND full access to chip and his idea… what do they really think is brilliant and what do they view as a crock of college shit? be fascinated to know
Contract structure and true guarantees mean a lot more than annual average. Devil is in the details.
probably not that crazy when you consider Revis manages to get like 20 a year…best businessman in the NFL
Would you guys take Reggie Wayne for a year?
he will die at chips tempo lol prolly slower then coop.
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arent we rebuilding on offense? ancient WR prolly doesnt fit
Probably. I really think WR round 3 this year. They need to get someone else ready for when Cooper gets cut.
Which brings up another question. Once Cooper got paid, did he just dog it cuz he’s got money now?
if they have a third
I don’t know what’s going to happen, but I’ve come to the conclusion that if CK wants MM that bad, then let him go get him. I’m willing to see this thing play out.
If not and it’s a smoke screen, they could probably get both a WR and RB in Rd. 3.
i dunno if we can reach that conclusion, but i dont know that we can rule it out either,,..OL and a QB who started to take a beating the moment the season kicked off in Jax effected him too… but the fact that there is probably not much he can do to keep his contract next year basically spells out that it was either a mistake in judgement or he mailed it in…i dont see any way he can keep that contract,,maybe a major major paycut
There were reports that we were interested in KJ. I know some of you have been throwing out the name of Buster Skrine. If Chip is truly willing to budge on the size at CB why not just stick Boykin outside instead of spending money on an expensive FA?
That would be my question.
Maybe he’s not as good on the outside as we all think
Woah, this is huge.
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
54s55 seconds ago
Randall Cobb back to Green Bay on a 4-year, $40 million deal, per source.
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just relax and watch…. kick your feet up, get your cigar ready
guaranteed money mentioned?
Maclin should get less than Cobb so this might make us signing him more feasible. Of course, it lessens options for WR needy teams now and they may back up the Brinks truck for Maclin. Have to think there were other teams offering Cobb more and he just wanted to stay with GB.
think he ends up getting more from the eagles then Cobb gets from GB…prolly not that much tho
Wonder if 4 year deal was what Cobb wanted. Usually as FA you want longer deal with more guaranteed money but Cobb is young enough that he could be setting himself up for a lucrative 3rd contract. Guaranteed money is what matters most but if Eagles offered a 5 year deal worth an annual average of say $9.5M but averaged out to equal or a little more guaranteed money each year, would that work for both sides?
could be….. all really depends on what the best offer Mac gets is… tuesday night he will take it to us and give us a chance to get in the ball park, allowing us a tiny discount
when you think about jordy nelson, mac still prob going to be a bargain compared to him, and mac is better, people just dont get it because Jordy has Rogers… Maclin wasnt scared to death to go at Richard Sherman… after the contract Jordy got, he should be forced to take a pay cut after the softness he displayed twice against seattle
both those wrs are scheme / qb dependent. its not like julio is hitting the market. $10m is still a lot for a slot corner.
damn, not sure if its better or worse for mac.
irrelevant probably. sure mac would prefer cobb hold out a little bit and try to do better..
$17M guaranteed for Cobb.
Very reasonable
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
12s13 seconds ago
Randall Cobb had 6-7 offers today, I’m told. He turned down considerably more money elsewhere to sign with the #Packers.
must have been crappy teams.
Im guessing that Cobb turned down considerably more money from the Raiders and Browns to sign with the #Packers and not become totally irrelevant.
Smart decision. Both clubs are perennially bad teams.
Yeah I can’t see them digging themselves out of their holes with the way they are going. I thinks its the right decision. Taking a couple of mill a year less is obviously noticeable, even when you making 10 mill/year, but I’ll do that to stay with Rodgers and compete any day. Hell, during his lifetime he might even earn that in endorsements by not being forgotten a year after he signs with “black hole” franchises compared to being in GB with their roster and coaches.
I want to think the drive to win Superbowls would help that decision. No chance in LA or Cleveland, but huge opportunity with arguably the best QB in the game.
I’d put him 1 and Brady 2, but it’s close. Brady def has the better coached team. I think if Rodgers was with a better coach, he’d be even better.
I totally agree, and lets not beat around the bush. Cobb just got paid 17 million guaranteed. He could sit on the bench from now on, and still never have to work a day in his life. How some of these NFL guys blow their contracts is beyond me.
Lets say he pays off his parent debt and sends his siblings to college, and gives them all a nice 100k present, he then buys himself that nice as car he always dreamt of, he gets himself that sweet house, blows some cash on watches and suits and takes a dream vacation, the guy should still have at least 10 million left. If you can’t live of the interest of that, then you need help. And thats just his guarenteed money, theres around 23 million waiting if he just keeps up his ways. Then of course, he will be 28 when his new contract expires, plenty of time to sign a new one.
10/year & Rodgers > 15/year and Carr/Manziel and those dumpster fire rosters.
and eagles fans soon realize they worried for nothing…
Not sure if he’s really in a position to know, but…
John Middlekauff
@JohnMiddlekauff
56s57 seconds ago
Deal should get done with Philly before FA starts, Raiders don’t view him the same as Cobb @jorgecuevas9791: @JohnMiddlekauff Maclin?”
“Raiders don’t view him the same as Cobb”? i think mac is better no?
Mac > soft Jordy Nelson….soft Jordy > Cobb… distrubitive property lol Mac > Cobb
That’s the transitive property.
http://www.mathwords.com/t/transitive_property_inequalities.htm
a = b
b = c
a = c
ac = viking
Right. The distributive property says that Maclin(Cobb + Nelson) = Maclin*Cobb + Maclin*Nelson, which means GB wants to add Maclin and have him play the outside on Cobb’s side and the slot on Nelson’s side.
excuse me, i was drunk talking math properties from 20years ago at 230 am on an eagle blog. my bad
Cobb is better.
Mac had more yards with less receptions without having Rodgers throwing to him. Your statement is highly debatable.
debatable, that’s why they’re called negotiations
you wont take my word for it but you believe babalu rricky riccardo? that hurts!!! lol jk
Jason La Canfora
@JasonLaCanfora
25s25 seconds ago
Randall Cobb staying in Green Bay for $40m over 4 years. Could set the stage for Eagles deal to retain Jeremy Maclin
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Wait! I posted that thinking it was good news. Forgot it was JLC! Well, nice having you Mac. Hope you enjoy Oakland.
oakland is great. i’ll wear my jersey when he comes to play here.
its not up to the cobb deal….its up to what the other TEAMS offer mac… fortunately its always been a virtual lock that he stays even tho the media had to take a few detours to reach the inevitable conclusion
Everyone thinks Cobb is better than Mac. Any receiver that plays for Brady, Manning, Rodgers, or Luck should be viewed with intense scrutiny. These guys can make average guys good, and good guys great.
That said, Cobb may have set the stage for us to either keep or lose Mac. Some team may overpay to get Mac.
If Foles played all year, Mac would have blown Cobb and rogers numbers out of the water this year
but foles sucks and Maclin isnt worth paying…
maybe. but it’s not like MAC just turned into Calvin Johnson. or he spent all year catching backshoulder thrwos, contested catches bodying guys, etc.
when was the last time he played with a good passing QB besides the first half of this season?, not 2013, not 2012…2011? when he was what 23yrs old?
maybe never he should get dez $$.
whats Dez money? you talking Dez franchise Tag… if Dez hits the open market, you can bet what Mac is going to get from the Eagles, wouldnt be close to what Dez gets on the open market
Exactly. Maclin had a career year with the likes of Foles and Sanchez. He made some tremendously clutch catches. I don’t think just any schlub can fill that gap. Riley Cooper sure couldn’t.
Why the heck do they need a full 3 days plus 4 hours for a pre-negotiation period? 28 hours should be sufficient. Let teams start signing players tomorrow at 4 pm.
you’d think but it takes a while b/c you’re working through intermediaries. eagles give a number to howie, how gives it to macs agent, macs agent gives it to mac, once all of macs offers are in agent and mac will discuss, mac will discuss with family, and round and round again
There’s also bringing it back to other teams to see if they want to sweeten the deal.
All this type stuff has already been happening anyway. Before they started this 3-day “legal tampering” nonsense, you saw players sign an hour after the official start of FA.
Jayson Braddock
@JaysonBraddock
12m12 minutes ago
RT @CharlesRobinson: Maclin RT @SteelValleyMatt: @CharlesRobinson who have u heard Browns looking at?
glad someone is on night duty.
besides just us?
yup
It’s my pleasure to serve.
Jayson Braddock
@JaysonBraddock
38s38 seconds ago
Byron Maxwell still hasn’t accepted the Eagles’ deal in principle. Surprisingly, the Seahawks want to make another offer to him…
wow the fact that we’re even in the same ballpark is crazy. maybe he doesn[t want to come to philly.
Lots of guys staying put. This one would shock me though.
seahawks have $24m in cap space, given the number of holes we have on the team they may have more $$ than us.
they talking fully guaranteed contract for the QB and rumors about Julius Thomas who aint cheap
Seems to be coming down to us two. We will see
Technically, Maxwell and the Eagles aren’t allowed to come to any type of deal in principle.
hearing SEA making hard push to resign. Also hearing Eagles and Frank Gore, i’m a fan of that move.
Sounds like attempt by Maxwell’s agent to get us to sweeten the offer a little more
yup
meh,.. kind of think its silly to spend on an older RB
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i will say I would have loved to have Gore years ago. i guess shady has been the Better RB, but Id take Gores tough running style over shady’s finesse game any day..
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anything we can do to shift from the finesse crap to more Power based is a good thing as far as im concerned
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atleast Gore has experience in shotgun zone reads.. more realistic then the idiot in the media who started the Mark Ingram Eagle crap..#fairytale
ESP reporting we have strong interest in gore. I know it’s ESP, but this late I’ll take anything lol
agree. i thought gore would be good fit, he’s old but still working. not sure if he can take 300 touches
Jayson Braddock
@JaysonBraddock
25m25 minutes ago
More details on Seattle / Maxwell: Seahawks original offer was backend loaded. Expectation now is that could be adjusted to sway him back.
wow if we don’t get max. or mccourty it’ll be bad. it’s funny that SEA made it seem like they wouldn’t be a player for maxwell, i guess you just never really know.
I honestly don’t know where they’d get the money for him considering Lynch, Sherman, Thomas, & Wilson.
wrs are udfas
Hmm, Maxwell or Williams. No wonder they want him back.
If nothing else, Seattle’s interest in Maxwell makes me feel more confident in his abilities: They would know better than anyone whether he’s the product of scheme / teammates.
true plus i don’t think they have anything behind him. cary williams must not have impressed.
Apparently Seattle got their hands on any of our game tape…
They still have Sherman though & nobody else does.
Come On Man a $40 mil+ secondary? Can’t see it.
Like I said yday, the teams are able to retain their own top players, while the Eagles and Mac are still not close.
It will be a drama if the Eagles don’t get at least one of the big M&Ms. They might have to go after Suh to be over the salary floor for next season.
they aren’t getting mariota, they are going to sign houston to an offer sheet.
Fine with me.
I don’t want to give up 2 firsts
The way I understand is that a lower compensation can always be agreed upon between two teams.
I don’t want to give up 2 1sts either, but I’d part with our #20 in a heartbeat if that’s what it takes to get arguably the best pass-rusher in the game.
The salary floor isn’t based off of one year, it’s based off a 4-year period and the Eagles are fine from that perspective. There are 2 years left in that 4 year window. It’s based on actual cash spent, not cap spent.
Based on total cash needed to be spent, Eagles rank 19th out of 31 teams(Being 1st is bad). Based on uncommitted cash, the Eagles rank 25th. The second figure probably changed(not sure how they define uncommitted) after the moves/releases but we’re still fine with respect to the salary floor.
Thanks for the clarification, mate.
Can we please just copy and paste Cobb’s deal for Mac
What looked to be one of the best FA in years becomes thinner at the top every day before the FA has aCtually started:
Cobb – back to Pack
Kareem Jackson – stay with Houston
Maxwell – might re-sign with Seattle
Maclin – looking for Mac’n Cheese somewhere else???
GE’s prediction: kiss Maclin goodbye if we don’t hear of a contract with the Eagles in the next 48 hours.
No way maxwell ends up back in seattle. Mccourty, worilds, mcphee, house, rahim moore, searcy, are all still out there.
Yeah they aren’t giving 10mil to their number 2 cb
I really will be sick to my stomach if we don’t resign mac. Our WR corps was already lacking talent. Factor in his departure and the fact that there is no talent left in free agency now….not saying we need to overpay, but we need him back at all costs.
funny,.,,..
It seems like this legal tampering window gives the home team an advantage. Players can gauge interest from everyone, but only you can offer a contract? Get it done, Birds.
It was essentially the same thing before. Teams were tampering long before this “window”, both this year and in years past.
True, but teams could play coy. Now, agents can gather info, without being all cloak and dagger, and use it an a negotiating point with the home team.
That’s why with every hour that Mac is not re-signed passing by the chances of keeping him in Philly are decreasing…
thats so completely false.. it really is, i cant even explain anymore how wrong and dysfunctional that thinking is..
No it’s not. You’d be naive if you think otherwise.
That being said I had a change of heart today. Think we might hear some positive news on this Sunny day in Philadelphia.
so foolish….. doesnt take an NFL insider to know this.. just a baic understanding of negotiating and leverage
Again, see my post above. You’d think you ate wisdom with your spoon this morning…
Regardless I am tired of arguing with you. You have your opinion and I have mine. And whoever the fool is I don’t give a F.
but he atleast you finally got your head out your ass and realize Maclin isnt goin anywhere… only took you like 4 days of nonsense to finally get here, by tuesday maybe you will start to see the real picture..slow and steady i guess, huh?
See my post above. Happy Sunday!
Charles Robinson must have his twitter set so people can’t cut and paste.
He tweeted that very possible for Maclin to return to Eagles, Jets were interested before trade for Marshall, and unless another team overpays the Eagles want him back
unless another team overpays
there is the problem…
Tell that to Randall Cobb
Cobb has said that he’d give the Packers a home town discount of 1-2 million before signing his new contract.
I haven’t heard Maclin saying something similar as of today.
Where have you seen that? I haven’t read that anywhere and by saying that he gives up all leverage…not a smart negotiating tactic. I’ve seen a report that says he’ll probably need to give up $1-$2M to stay, but haven’t seen that come from Cobb’s mouth.
It was in the whole wild world of Twitter.
yawn… still this silly mac nonsense for a player who is a lock to be back?
I will eat some Mac ‘n cheese today!
weds
https://twitter.com/charlesrobinson/status/574563445376311299
Alright guys,
Don’t ask me why but today we will hear of Maclin’s new 5 year contract with the Eagles.
Give me any two of the three big M&Ms, a veteran RB, Worilds and Moore/Searcy (in case the big M(cCourty) goes somewhere else) and another CB and I’ll be very happy.
no we wont… mac wont sign til Weds
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basic negotiation 101… a man with the cards that Mac holds, doesnt sign before weds
only way Mac signs before wed is if he grossly over rated what the numbers he is hearing the last two days.. maybe then, he signs before weds… but I dont see what he has to gain by signing beforre weds, he only has to lose…
For the same reason Cobb did; he gets a fair number and he wants to stay.
but even then, why would he sign now… eagles want Mac way more then what the media has reported to us.. the money the eagles will give Mac today, they will still give it to him weds… why sign? he is the top guy on the market… my unerstanding is its been a good faith negotiation, both sides expect to get this done which is a big reason we didnt Tag him… Mac and the eagles can agree to the parameters of the deal, but I assume he waits til wednesday to make it official. Mac is getting paid no matter what, and he will be an eagle, im like 98% certain of it….. all he has to do is wait, and one dumb teams overpays for an inferior WR like Torry smith and Macs negotiating power jumps up a few spots…. Mac has the eagles by the balls, if his agent allows him to sign before Wednesday then he should be fired..
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its not a worysome situation…. the highest offer teams mac to Maclin, he will always take that offer to the eagles before he signs it and allow the eagles to get in the ball park of those figures to keep him…and in the end, the eagles will
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Mac will be an Eagle next year…. only question is what does the contract look like and is there anything we can do to make him agree to it now, instead of being smart and waiting til wednesday
those are the question…. not if mac will be an eagle or not
So why did Cobb sign before Tuesday???
The tampering window gives the agents and players a feel for their market value.
In Cobb’s case the 12m/year were just not out there OR his word was bond that he’d give the Packers a home town discount.
In the end the same scenario does apply to Maclin. The fact that he has not signed yet is that a) there is 12m/year out there for him OR b) the Eagles are not willing to give him that money.
This is the only real scenario out there, if you want to believe it or not.
LOL.. i wish i can speak freely.. believe what you want. good day./… i tried to lead the donkeys to water enough these last few days… if you havent started to drink yet, you wont..learn the hard way like yous do every year nduring this time lol…. no one has fiugured it out yet? LOL its been 3 years hahahahahqa
See my post below. Happy Sunday!
no thanks, doubt I can get anything realistic out of it
i tried to help, take it how you want it
oh my god, shut up already.
question…. has anyone seen report linking us to Gore from anyone other then Eliott “Walt Disney” Parks? dudes is a master of sports fiction and fairytales..
https://twitter.com/rand_getlin/status/574578752685916162
North of $10M a year
Hopefully, $10.0000001M.
Not worth it.
rather pay McCourty but whatever…………….. knew this free agency wasnt going to be any different. same frustrating eagles whether they spend or not………… gordon Bombay smh
I question some of it…Eagles never this “noisy” about players
yeah thats probably not a fair statement by me
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on one hand i believe about 25% of all the Eagle assumptions we hard, so I shouldnt be pissed off about them, because i dont believe them not even a little and they havent happened yet.
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But I hear so many stupid, absurd, ridiculous rumors about what the eagles will do… That the expectatuion of what the Eagles will do IMO the eagles would have to be incompatant to go thru with all the nonsense is being rumored.
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But im Bombarded with nothing but stupidity and absurd eagles rumors, that I despise the Preception of what people think the eagles will do…. its not really fair for me to take it out on Chip GOrdon Bombay, because he hasnt actually made the moves yet, and i know half of them will prove to be complete fairytales, but because all i hear is the stupidity and absurd rumors of what my beloved team will do, it pisses me off….. probably not fair of me to take it out on chip at this point tho
The Eagles were stealth when Roseman was in charge. With a new King, I’m not sure we can expect past trends to continue.
Apparently McCourty wants around 9 million, I’d much rather do that instead too, but i’ve been doubting whether Maxwell is worth the money for a long time. Too bad Kareem Jackson resigned.
wanted Davon House and Searcy because i didnt actually believe the eagles would get me McCourty…. we are pretty much allergic to safeties. the curse of Dawk
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forget what improvement makes us the best, which free agents we desperately have, for me, getting this safety position fixed once and for all was the most important thing, if anything just to maintain my damn sanity.. I want to breakdown sobbing into tears at the thought of spending the 37th year in a row (it feels like) crying over the safety issues, looking at college safeties, projecting what safeties might hitt he market next year inhopes to finally rescue us… im tired of it… I have fuckin Safety Fatigue to an extreme.. i cant do another year of safety being a problem…ANYTHING BUT SAFETY! im tired of studying safeties every single year out of sheer desperation and Envy…. I would do whatever it takes to solidify the position just to get a 3 year break from having to be fixated on that damn position…… its driving me mad
The Eagles have Rahim Moore’s DB coach now. . .
and? you know how many free agent safeties whos college coach, DB coach, or coordinators we have that have been available these last 3 years?
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btw, Familiarity isnt automaticallyu a positive thing… he could come with some knowledge of a weakness, practice habits, hidden injury, selfishness that is what makes us rule him out
Doesn’t mean he likes him
I want McCourty, no ifs and or buts. I never expected him to hit the open market, because he is just too good. Unless he signs a ridiculous deal like 15m/year deal or stays with the Pats and basically says that he never intended to leave, i’ll consider this FA period af failure.
He is so much better than any other defensive back, maybe the best available FA, if you take Suhs uhm…special intelligence… into account.
superbowl champion, perfect fit for our scheme… you should want McCourty! Perfectly reasonable for a fan to want the best guy that is a perfect fit in every way, at the position that has been killing us the most for a decade… there would be something wrong with us if we didnt want him…
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but if they sign Max, it worries me knowing that Maclin will be extended… we cant lose bG and Cole and not get a OLB.. unless the dion jordan trade is about to be announced I dont know how the eagles can get Mac,Max and McCourty and still get a decent free agent OLB
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all the great DBs in the world mean nothing if our pass rush isnt getting home
I’d let Maxwell go in a heartbeat. I’ve been saying it for a long time, I have a bad feeling about paying him huge money. I dont think he’ll ever be worth it, even though he won’t be bad either. Jackson got a huge deal too, so that option was never real.
I’d probably go with your boy House instead of paying Maxwell 10+ million. I’d have zero qualms paying McCourty 10+.
I wonder how big Cromarties contract will be, because it seems the corner market is thinning out, especially if we want them to be big.
hate to say it…cant really disagree with a word of your post… I dont think this will be a bust like DRC or Nnamdi at all…. but I dont think we are getting Richard Sherman Jr either… I assume for Byron Maxwell, he will provide us with similar level of play that we got from Assante Samuel.. good but not great….. but stylistically he is very different than assante… He wont give us the TDs, the gambles, Assante gave us, actually stylistically they are complete opposite, so i dont want people to think Maxwell will give us what assante did, I would just say the caliber of CB play he provides us will be no higher then what Assante was giving us during his good years, good but not great….here as McCourty fits like a glove(not the OJ glove lol)
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i just dont know wtf we are doing about OLB… the most expensive of all the positions we need to fill..
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if we are signing other positions that keep us from signing an OLB.. i dont understand what they are doing?> if that holds true, I have to assume they have a trade for Dion Jordan or somee other edge rusher via trade.. too important of a position, no way they go into the season with Barwin, MS2, a rookie and Braman… THATS NOT going to happen!
I’d love McCourty…I just don’t think he wants to leave NE and is using FA market to try and get every penny out of BB.
Havnt heard a peep about Searcy, from anyone. Anyone else see anything about him?
THATS A GOOD POINT and you may turn out to be right about McCourty
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Searcy been connected to about 5 teams, but not a single peep linking him to us, which i kind of dont mind that wed havent been associated with a player i like so much… of course its possible that there is a new way we operate and not hearing we are linked to a player actually means we have no interest in the player,. but even with chip coming into power, i would expect chip to be even more secretive then howie was so i really find it disturbing that we are hearing so many eagles reports… worried in the back of my head that its all bullshit and we wont sign any of the guys we hear linked to us… guess thats my paranoia conditioned by years of eagle fandom
Reports are we are going hard after both
i saw… but that worries me knowing that Mac is a lock…. paying all 3, worries me that we wont be able to properly address the OLB situation.
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i also find it really hard to believe any of the reports are true, only reason i believe Mac is a lock because of what I hear backed up by days of media starting to say the opposite that we were going to lose him..
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this entire hearing so much news about who the eagles want, making it so well known that everyone has it, and it actually turning out to be true disturbs me, i have a hard time believing it knowing how secretive we have been in the past. we have a history of getting shit done without the media knowing.. its true that there is a new man in power, but i wouold expect chip to be more secretive then even howie was…not going from secretive Howie to “open book” chip Kelly
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curious to see how this all plays out, for so many reasons, mainly this dynamic about if media is actually going to start finding out what the eagles will do before it happens, because it hasnt been that way, so I have to see it to truly believe it
I think we add an OLB, just not one of the hot names, but instead sign somebody like Sheard
Greg is right tho….waiting for tuesday for the market to start is absurd…. shouldnt be any reason why by the time 12pm arrives on Monday that these agent sand teams arent ready to roll and start making moves…
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guess im just pissed because Tuesday is a travel day for me…. atleast i can be glued online tho, even if i wont be in my usual multimedia free agency/draft bunker aka my bed with computers, ipads, i phones, Tvs LOL
Huh? I thought Mac won’t re-sign before Wednesday?!
Don’t you dare ruining my ideology!
dont worry about the specific…just the fact that you realized we arent losing him after a week of bitching is progress 🙂 its a start, Ill take it…atleast i get to have a more realistic conversation then what we were having the past 4 days
If Mac actually re-signs today we will both be looking like fools. You one one hand signing that this won’t be happening before Wed and me because I thought we’d be losing him full stop.
Never mind though, I guess we will be both be happy [foolish] campers should Mac stay. 😉
I’ll take the 2 of you looking foolish if it brought me my Mac attack back.
whatever u say pal….. 3 weeks of every single person talking that doom n gloom shit that Mac is gone, while for weeks a million times a day i typed under every single comment that he isnt going anywhere and you think there is any way I come out looking like a fool, God bless your simple heart….. FYI, i have a higher accuracy perscebtage this time of year then most so you are drunk if you think any hate even registers with me… keep yapping.. by now people should have fgured out a thing or two…
There used to be a bloke in my old gym in London who had ‘GOD’ tattooed on his back. Somehow it won’t surprise me if you had a similar tattoo…
John Barchard
@JohnBarchard
2h
2 hours ago
A non-agent source has told me that the Bears are also a darkhorse team
in on Maclin. Just not sure if they can compete with the others
yeah right… they have a defense to worry about… people keep throwing crap at the wall
I think that’s fan driven. I heard something similar on the radio from a guy with STL roots.
“Not sure if they can compete” should be emblazoned across Soldier Field.
hold up… sorry to change the subject but i keep seeing this espn commercial for weeks,but the content of the commercial finally just now registered in my head…. am I being punked, or are they going to show a documentary today of a former cage fighter(back in the day), who quit the UFC to become a real life superhero? as in, get dressed up for halloween every night and go fight crime?…. wtf?!?! is this real? anyone know anything about this “Pheonix Jones” crap??
I saw that too. Really confusing story
i thought it was a joke… i think they are serious…
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even without seeing his MMA videos, you can just look at his cauliflower ears to know he has some level of Wrestling, ju jitsu, Judo or some other type of grappling training like Combat Sambo, but I doubt black kid from seattle learned Combat Sambo, thats more of a russian sport…. assume he has a wrestling Base with those ears…. as for a known Vigalante who stops crime, beats up criminals and then calls the cops, the ambulance for the guy and leaves his insurance information… i dunno know about all that… certainly a story i never expected to see on ESPN
Todd Herremanns agrees to terms with Colts per Adam Caplan. Good for him.
nice! good for him..
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clearly the players chip is discarding, Cole, Herremans, Cary are viewed as having alot left in the tank. take trent cole for example, everyone is trying to bring him in for a visit. clearly not a guy the NFL thinks has lost a step and has nothing left in the tank,..even Cary has suitors lined up, jets, titans, Ravens..
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Hopefully our boys all do well and land on their feet…
kind of feel bad for Demarco Murray. he allowed the cowboy scum to run him into the ground only paying him 1.7mil.. and now the cowboys are going to lowball the crap out of him and get him much cheaper then they probably should… while shady is getting more then the 11mil he is contracted to make.,.Bills are about to give shady more money…
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i hope some AFC team like the Colts, steps up to the plate, Pays Murray a fair rate and poaches him from the cowboy scum… i hate to see him go back to the cowboys after they ran hm into the ground and are now devaluing him..
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Hope that Man gets like 7mil a year from the Colts or something… cant use up these running backs during their rookie contracts, try to squeeze everything you can out of them and then crap on them when its time for them to get their 1 significant pay day…considering what Murray gave that team at the rate they were paying him, he is one of those players who his team OWES him some extra dollars in this next contract for past performances..
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i know the dude is cowboy trash, but he is a man who dedicated his life to his craft, he reached the elite level and its not ok for an owner to use him up and then do him dirty… I could understand if we were talking about murrays 3rd NFL contract… but this man has been too good, too much of a work horse, from everything I hear he is a classy guy, he played HURT for the boys…. They owe him some extra money from the past.. similar to how we paid westbrook during his last contract with us, we gave him more then we had to for past performances..
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not most players deserve money from the past… most should be paid for what you think they will provide during the duration of this next contract… But Murray is one of those few guys that need to be compensated, and the way the cowboys have treated this man, i hope he doesnt end up going back…. rather see him go to the Giants and stick it to the cowboys… he is one of the few guys in that trash organization that shouldnt be treated like this
And it shows what a good job the Eagles did by getting a fair trade for Shady.
absolutely.. im shocked what they got…. i would have bet anything we couldnt get more then a 4th or 5th rounder for shady because of that albatross of a contract… for us to get one of the most promising young ILBs in the game who we will pay less then a mil a year for the next 3 years is more value then I would ever have expected to get for shady, not because of his talent, but because of his salary.,
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IMO, Marshawn Lynch is the only RB in the NFL that should even sniff more then 8mil a year. Only one of the Elite RBs who carries his teams deep into the playoffs evceryyear…. Just think how many more games then he has playedthen shady playing til febuary every year for the past 3 years, while both times shady was in the playoffs he didnt perform like he was our best player…. Beastmode is the ONLY RB that is worth the elite RB $ these last 3-5 years….. and the nbext most deserving back has been Frank Gore… Shady, AP, Jamaal Charles, murray… Great RBs, amazing Talents but completely irrelevant in the playoff football picture of the past 5 years
OLB Dilema….
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for starters, all the DB additions in the world wont mean much if we arent getting to the QB… No way that we can go into the season with Barwin,MS2, Braman and a Rookie at arguably the most important position of a 3-4 defense, at the very least the most expensive position to fill…
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so what gives? Mac stays, if we sign Max and we sign one of the great to solid safeties McCourty, Searcy, Rahim or Gilchrist, where are we finding money for a quality edge rusher, which is easily one of the most expensive positions to fill
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maybe you can settle for a cheaper Brooks Reed type, but whats that give us, lke 13 sacks the past 3 years combined or something unimpressive like that?
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also have to keep in mind that Foles and Marriotta cant be on the same roster… NOt in this city, with this media and this fanbase….and no matter which young QB it will be, chip is going to have a veteran #2 QB in philly, whether its Sanchez or some other Vet we will still have to pay them…. and this assumes we make no other additions like TE, RG, RB, ..
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OLB is a very expensive position to fill… where are we really getting the money for the type of Talent we need to replace BG AND Cole..??
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one options we have left is addressing OLB via a trade, but most likely it would have to be an OLB who is still on his rookie contract.we all know the obvious name is Dion…. but is there some other young edge rusher out there that fits what we do who may not be a perfect fit for his current team, still on a rookie contract that could be another option/solution for us?
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I dont even count Braman as an OLB. He is a ST captain as far as im concerned..so even if we sign or trade for an OLB, we would have that player,Marcus and Barwin…thats still ONLY 3 OLBs.. so no matter if we trade for one or pay for one we still will have to draft or sign one this year or next……wish we werent talking about such a highly valued position. they go fast in the draft to the point you start to over reach for them just to get your hands on some young talent at the position before they all get snatched up… and they cost a ton in Free agency.. even unproven ones who might have a chance at blowing up during their next contract are talking that 20mil in guaranteed nonsense…
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If we dont Trade for one, I struggle seeing how we will get a good safety and a good OLB
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Justin Houston is trying to get teams to signhim to offersheets that KC wont want to match….obviously we wont be players, but damn woulnt it be grand?
I think thye can get Mac, Maxwell, McCourty, and an OLB. They would hae to fill RG through the draft and rely on Carrol at the other CB spot, but it can be done. OLB is the toughest to fil through the draft.
I do have faith that Chip has a plan here. Cant wait to see what it is
OLBs aint cheap brother… one of the 3 most expensive positions to fill… we are losing BG and Cole, what type of OLB can we replace them with, if we are paying a CB, a safety and a WR more then the OLB we sign?… what are we talking about, a guy like Brooks Reed who is more run defender than pass rusher. pass rushers cost friggin money… even guys like sheard… of course i expect us to have like 15-20mil left in cap space when we are done signing our free agents, so im really worrying about the caliber edge rusher we will end up with
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taking BG and Cole away from the pass rush to replace them with a guy like Brooks Reed, is a major downgrade in pass rush production…. i find it counterproductive to improve the secondary, while weakening our pass rush…. Its bad enough that even last year we still had to count on Curry for a big part of our pass rush, and he is a kid who is lucky if he gets to play 1 more season as an eagle….weaken our OLBs now, and then lose Curry next year and get a compensatory pick in return two yeats later?
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not to mention this is a stacked OLB market. last years edge rusher market was crap compared to this… doubt Next years will be half as good as this one….
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realy starting to wonder if we will be forced to trade for an edge rusher on a rookie deal. wish i could see some potential possiibilities in addition to the obvious name, Jordan
Lots of tidbits from McLane. I won’t cut and paste his exact tweets but you can veryify by going to his twitter account.
Eagles not in on OLB Brian Orakpo. At all
Eagles are definitiely involved in Orlando Franklin hunt according to two sources.
Eagles haven’t been in contact with CB Davon House, last he heard.
Interest is there with OLB Jason Worilds, but feeling is they’ll be priced out.
yeah we def want nothing to do with Orakpo.. but McClane should have been able to guess that…
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Be awesome if they paid for a quality RG, except for the ramifications it has on our ability to sign other key positions like OLB and Safety,… devils argument for not signing a top RG.. its easier to find a RG who can start as a rookie then it is to find an edge rusher or corner who can start as a rookie…… but Franklin is a quality player, we certainly shouldnt be upset about the eagles filling a hole with quality… im just not sure how realistic or unrealistic it is when we see how many holes we still have to fill
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if we are paying Max, no need to talk to house….
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yeah I dont imagine the eagles will be able to afford any OLBs
It seems to me that OLB is a lower priority to them than secondary and maybe OL if Franklin is a target. One guy that I think will be a target: Dan Skuta.
certainly seems to be the case… but I dont understand how they could possibly be ok with that.
Maybe Marcus Smith was actually a Chip pick.
he definitely was.. drooling over him at Pro day…Marcus was everything Chip looks for in OLBs, not howies Ideal of a pass rusher… just silly media and eagles making excuses for chip, when in reality he doesnt need an excuse because a rookie not playing isnt a big deal. a handful of us predraft last year knew how muchg chip would like Marcus.. if you wanted Barr and Dion, doesnt take a genius to know you probably like Marcus as well
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still tho, you need at the very least 3 Quality pass rushing guys you can rotate off the edge…Braman doesnt cdount towards that quota
The Eagles have to value OLB versus OL, versus DB, seems Kelly value OL and DB right now more than OLB.
His priorities used to be QB, OL, LB, DL, then secondary. I think the pass crazy NFL opened his eyes.
The 1st Championship game opened his eyes on DL BTW.
Well I still think he values DL over DB, but we are just stacked at DL, but it might actually be like GEAGLE says, if Arik Armstead is there at 20, we might take him
we def wont pass on him if he is available at any point when we pick, assuming we even get to draft someone this year with the way people talk
i dont see how any franchise can ever value DBs over your pass rush, but we can agree to disagree..
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LT, Edge Rush, QB….most valued positions….Personally I will always care more about being dominant at the line of scrimage over being dominant anywhere else… but we are both talking about legit needs, so no big deal to agree to disagree on ranking our priorities..
after those 3 most valued positions… i would have to say the next most valuable ones are Safety and Center… tho most have CB over safety because thats how it always been, safeties used to be not worth much, but recently safeties starting to make a case for being more important then CB in modern NFL….
Mark Daniels
@MarkDanielsPJ
51m
51 minutes ago
Don’t expect the Eagles to pick either Byron Maxwell or Devin McCourty. I’ve been told they’re pursing and want both.
Maybe we will end up with all 4 M&Ms?!
Mac – Maxy – McC – Mariota
Bam!
Then someone has to sit out because Howie(in charge of uniform department) ran out of “Ms” for the jerseys.
ill see your Bam, and raise you a POW!!!
Mac, Max, McCourty, McPhee, Mariota,
Jeff McLane
@Jeff_McLane
3m3 minutes ago
LeSean McCoy and #Bills have agreed upon new 5-yr contract once trade w/ #Eagles is finalized on Tues, per NFL sources. Told it’s a whopper.
Really surprising to me both that the Eagles were able to trade a guy as highly paid as McCoy for a player as good as Alonso and McCoy actually makes out with more money(at least guaranteed).
Bills are a joke.. Hope we make a trade with them every single year.
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talking about a team that doesnt have a first round pick this yea because they had to have Sammy Watkins and couldnt live with settling on Mike Evans or ODB….. This is certainly a front office i hope to continue doing business with… the extra 4th we get for giving them bryce this year def comes in handy…
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drives me crazy how such a joke of an organization always has like 3 quality young safeties… they lose 3 good safeties, and 3 more pop up… swear they must have the magic safety tree growing in their back yard..
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this dumb franchise loses so much talent every year, yet they still have one ofthe 3 most talented defenses in the league,,, drives me crazy, coming from our proud philly defensive tradition to watch a team like the bills, and NFL Feeder system considently have so much more defensive talent then us the past 5 years
Hearing Philly truly covets Maxwell. Enough to give him a contract worth
$60 million+ with guarantee in the Joe Haden to Chris Harris range
Now before you say “What?” consider that this would probably be a 6-year deal and those excess years would likely be backloaded. The guarantee is what is important not the annual average.
Haden’s deal had $22.7M guaranteed and Harris’s had $24M guaranteed. So what you’re likely looking at IMO is a deal that starts out around $7M a season, with annual increases and ends up around $13M in the final year. They could have a SB that is prorated over the length of contract but I’d guess the bulk of the money will be in guaranteed salaries. I’d guess the salaries would be fully guaranteed the first 2 years of the deal and then a healthy chunk of the 3rd year is guaranteed. I wouldn’t expect any more guaranteed money after year 3 of the deal. If one happened.
I would do 60 mill over 6 years and 24 guaranteed. Just make sure all the guaranteed is during the first 3 years
Me too!
Teams spread a guarantee (almost always the signing bonus -but can also be a roster bonus, guys are generally cut before those become guaranteed if they’re going to get cut) over the life of a contract intentionally.
So if you sign a 5 year deal with 25 million guaranteed, they’ll spread that 25 million over the length of the deal for cap purposes. When you get cut for Trash Can before year 4, the remaining 10 million (or whatever the number is by then, there’s a formula so it wouldn’t be 5 mil evenly spread) gets accelarated into that year’s cap.
That’s not 100% accurate because of the rules on how money can be spread, but its the gist.
If a team wants to put all of the guarantee in one years cap hit they can (I think), but you never see it happen.
Apparently, RB Chris Johnson was shot in a drive by in Orlando.
Not 100% sure this is the same Johnson, but Ha Ha Clinton-Dix did tweet out prayers for him and his family.
http://www.wesh.com/news/1-killed-2-injured-in-orange-county-shooting/31680604
http://draftbreakdown.com/gif-embed/?clip=254963&gif=MellowBitesizedFirefly
Watch no. 9, Arik Armstead. Im in love
He’s the real deal. Sometimes he gets erratic, and tends to be injury prone. But he has really improved.
BEAST!!! he wont be passed up if chip sees him at the top of th board;… next year chip wlll really want Deforest Buckner
I was really sad Buckner didnt declare, thought he was the better of the two
Holy shit…. Thats a lot of money for a RB
LolBills
Wow. The bills are dumb
Who’s Shady’s agent? All other free agents – fire your agents now and hire that guy.
Next question
Yep that agent….
Love to hate him, but no denying he gets the job done.
100%, he is a great agent, but problem was the combo of TO+Rosenhaus wanted to play hard ball with Joe Banner of all people.
Think its my Rosenhaus
Fine with me if that means we will have a shot at Jerry Hughes!
Stupid is as stupid does. This Eagles trade looks better and better.
Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo
2m2 minutes ago
Of that $16m in the first year for LeSean McCoy, $13m comes as a monster signing bonus. Total value of the deal: $40m over 5 years.
That’s obscene. Poor Bills fans.
New FA thread posted by Tommy.
CSN Bay Area reports the Colts and free agent Frank Gore have “mutual interest in working toward a contract.”
Yahoo! Sports’ Rand Getlin reports the Eagles are willing to pay free agent CB Byron Maxwell “north” of $10 million per year.
Colts signed Herremans to a one-year contract.