He Speaks

Posted: April 23rd, 2015 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 420 Comments »

Until Thursday, Eagles fans had heard more from Mr. Ed the talking horse than they had from Ed Marynowitz, the Eagles VP of Player Personnel.

That changed when Marynowitz had his first press conference, discussing the upcoming draft with the media.

I was impressed by Marynowitz. You could see he was a bit nervous at times, but let’s appreciate that stepping in front of the Philly media is no easy task. Remember when Nick Foles had his first PC in St. Louis he joked about how few people were there. If the Eagles don’t have the most media coverage in the NFL, they’re sure close.

Marynowitz did a good job of explaining how things work, but also being generic so as not to give away any information of value. I think he offered some insight. Sheil Kapadia wrote a great piece on the Eagles approach to drafting, which Marynowitz explained in detail. That is must read material.

I loved the fact that Marynowitz said the Eagles would be coming up with their strategy for the draft. You can go with the idea of keeping it simple and just taking the highest rated player on the board in each round. You can also look at the pool of players as a whole and try to figure out if there is a specific strategy that works best for you. This might mean trading up. It might mean moving back. It might mean targeting OL early and then looking for DBs later.  Or just the opposite.

This doesn’t mean you are cementing yourself to a specific scenario, but you go in with an idea of how you want to approach things. Coming out with 8 good players is a generic goal. Chip Kelly and Marynowitz might have more specific goals. You still trust your scouts and your player grades to make the actual picks, but you can have certain ideas of what you would like to get done.

Marynowitz also explained the meaning behind “best player available”. This is the best player available to the Eagles. And that grade/ranking is built on several factors, some of which are:

* Height/Weight/Speed

* How the player fits in the Eagles scheme/system

* How the player compares to the Eagles current roster

Notice that last one? Pretty interesting, huh?

This tells you that position does factor into the way the board is stacked. If the Eagles have 2 players with the same grade, they will take the one who plays a position of need. If 2 players are closely graded, position still might be enough to have one taken over the other.

This is nothing new. Teams have done this for years. And it just makes sense.

Would you rather have Todd Gurley or Trae Waynes? The Eagles need a CB. Take Waynes. Would you rather have Gurley or Darryl Roberts? I’ll take Gurley. In that case, he’s too talented to pass on just because the other guy plays a need position.

I don’t have any better an idea of what is going to happen next week, but I do feel smarter about the Eagles process after listening to Marynowitz and reading some of his other comments.

I’m excited.

* * * * *

The Mariota/Eagles hype just won’t go away. I continue to be a doubter, but never say never. I’m sure Chip would love to find a way to get him and the Eagles could use a stud QB.

Jimmy Bama wrote a piece on some guys the Eagles could be trading, either to help get Mariota or just to move for picks. This one stands out.

• Fletcher Cox: What the what?!?!? They can’t trade Fletcher Cox! Shut your dumb mouth right now, Kempski.

Like hell they can’t. Cox is a budding star, unquestionably, but that also means that he has quite a bit of trade value. If, oh, say, the Tennessee Titans were to demand that Fletcher Cox be included in a package for the #2 overall pick, then you have to consider including him. Would his loss hurt the defense? No doubt. But sometimes you have to give up something to get something. Including Cox in a trade package to acquire a QB can be explained very simply, with math:

3-4 DE math

#JimmySays: Cox is probably more likely to stay with the team than not, seeing as the only reason you’d trade him would be if you included him in a deal to go get a franchise QB. But I’m with Eliot Shorr-Parks of NJ.com in thinking he isn’t untouchable.

Cox is a terrific young DL and is the kind of player you build around, but Jimmy is right. A franchise QB has more value than a DE, even a great one. JJ Watt is the best player in football, but you’d have to take several QBs over him because that is such a critical position.

That said, you better make sure you are getting a franchise QB. Cox isn’t the kind of player you want to lose.

Draft day/night is going to be nuts. Eagles fans better be by the TV for every pick until Mariota goes somewhere.


420 Comments on “He Speaks”

  1. 1 Rambler said at 8:39 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I agree with Jimmy and Tommy that a franchise QB is way more important than a stud DE. However, we truly do not know that Mariota is actually going to be a franchise QB, and that is the issue I have with going after him. To me, there seems to be no real consensus as to whether he will in fact be great, and of course I know there is always a roll of the dice with drafting any player. Just seems to be too much uncertainty around how he will do at the next level, so I feel they should hold on to good players they already have. Just my personal preference on how I feel about Mariota… I think he will be a good pro, but not special. Now if Chip and Ed truly feel he is going to be special, then I guess do what is necessary to get him. I feel they won’t make that large of a play for him, but we will find out in a week. Can’t wait to see how it all shakes out.

  2. 2 unhinged said at 11:06 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I agree with your skepticism. I believed Kelly when he said we’re not going to mortgage the team’s future to get a player, and I agreed with his pronouncement that FC was the MVP of our defense. By my math, you sell a player who’s at or near the top of the league at his position for a PROSPECT who you covet based on projection and gut, and mortgaging your team’s future is exactly what you’re doing.

  3. 3 Ben Hert said at 8:50 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Sure. But if Chip thinks this guy can run his system and win three superbowls doing it, I think we’re better off trusting his player eval than yours. Other coaches, I’d probably agree. But you can’t pretend like anyone else is going to know what Marcus Mariota is going to be able to in Chip’s system more than Chip will.

  4. 4 GEAGLE said at 9:47 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    MM is far from a CANT MISS prospect, people think he is Safe for us because of our shotgun spread attack. well if THATS the case, then ALL OF SAM bradfords struggles in the Rams west coast offense, and musical chairs of offensive coordinators Dissapear and BRADFORD BECOMES CANT MISS in our Shotgun Spread, just like people think MM is CANT MISS in our shotgun Spread,.,.

    Bradford projects to be very very good in chips “system”
    truthfully, Chip hasnt even been running the Oregon offense in Philly.. one can make a case, Sam Bradford is even more suited to run the offense Chip has been running these past two years under Foles and Sanchez, then Marfriota is.. we ran alot of inside Zone, but rarely were we running ZONE READS

    we have a QB who is recognized as a more talented passer then Marriota, who like Marriota became Top Draft prospects from balling in a high tempo, shotgun spread attack..
    Today Bradford is way way way more ready to run an offense in the NFL then MM is…
    Personally I think we are a SIGNIFICANT BETTER team with:
    Sam Bradford, 8 draft picks and actually getting to add more first round talent in the next two years instead of giving away future 1st rounders… then we are with Marriotta and like 3 draft picks, and no 1st or 2nd round pick next year, no 1st or 2nd round pick the year after probably.
    Sam Bradford is going to be healthy in two months. once a player is healthy in this crazy game, I dont really believe anyone is more at risk then anyone else..Marriota has a clean bill of health, and he can shred his knee in the first preseason game, and then what? you traded away half your future for a guy who is one false step, or one bad hit away from being as much of an injury risk as Sam?.. ESPECIALLY when Bradford is a pocket passer. He isnt going to be making many sharp cuts on that knee..I would think QB is the position you worry about re-injuring a knee the least, if you are a pocket passer that is.. if you cant play the QB position without running all over the place like RG3 and Kap, then I would be much more concerned about re-injuring a knee…
    Football is too fickle of a game, too risky, and 1 player is NEVER going to be ENOUGH to win anything of value without a great team around him… Trading for MM cripples our ability to put a championship caliber team around whoever is playing QB for us..
    I think Chip is too much of a “TEAM” guy to value 1 player as much as the crazy compensation people are suggesting. Im not sure he would pay this type of a price for ANY player let alone a rookie

  5. 5 Charlie Kelly said at 8:44 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    It would be tough to swallow giving up Cox…. wait.. wtf did i say? lmfao

  6. 6 SuPaFrO said at 11:31 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    It would be too hard to give cox away. Too too hard. It would hurt.

  7. 7 Charlie Kelly said at 8:45 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    .. but anyway.. chip knows mariota the best and if he thinks it is worth it, then.. trust in chip!!

  8. 8 the guy said at 8:56 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Does anyone actually expect the Eagles to offer Fletcher Cox big money to 2-gap, or believe that he’d be willing to sign a new deal when his contract is up?

  9. 9 TommyLawlor said at 9:12 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Cox is the rare DL who can 2-gap and still be disruptive. I think you definitely pay him big. And if the money is right, I think he would stay. No discounts, though.

  10. 10 the guy said at 9:19 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I just don’t think they’ll be willing to pay even basic market rate for a very good DE. I think they value the talent on the D-line, but they don’t seem to want to invest resources on guys who rotate and eat up blocks. Feels like bizarro Reid: pay the linebackers, save on the DL.

    There are too many teams who want a potential star DT for me to believe he’ll stay, no matter how much they value him. I also think that given two more or less equal offers, he’ll probably take the team that will allow him to get the stats.

  11. 11 anon said at 9:32 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    CK called Cox the team MVP last year. I think you could be right, just like we don’t want to pay WRs. That said a lot of those sack stats from last year were because of what Cox does, he’s a straight beast.

    I’ll be worried if his jersey goes on sale.

  12. 12 the guy said at 3:09 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    A lot of TDs were due to LeSean and DeSean, but they were moved because of factors unrelated to performance on the field.

    Chip might love Fletcher Cox, but I’m pretty sure he loved Maclin too.

  13. 13 Gary Barnes said at 10:58 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    3-4 vs 4-3 defense…LB are very important

  14. 14 D3FB said at 2:05 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    In the end, if he’s getting $12 million a year, does it really matter that much to him if he is putting up 6 sacks a year or 10 sacks a year? He’s getting paid.

  15. 15 the guy said at 3:06 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Even if the Eagles were willing to pay $12mil/yr for a 2-gap 3-4 DE, which I don’t believe, those sacks still matter if he’s thinking of the next contract.

  16. 16 Ben Hert said at 8:30 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Excellent point.

    They have yet to invest heavily at all on the DL since CK has been here. They’ve gotten good finds, but from what we’ve seen so far this FO has yet to show they value the DL any higher than a 3rd round pick. If they feel that can continually replace these guys with late round picks, I don’t think they’d be willing to drop 12m/yr on a DE. Does that mean they won’t make a run at resigning him? No. But I think, as you mentioned, its going to be a Maclin situation.

  17. 17 GEAGLE said at 9:33 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    they have yet to invest in the OL? they spend 4 draft picks in two years on the DL. Bennie, already one of the best NT in the NFL, Hart, Kruger, Beau Allen…
    How much more are you going to invest when you inheritted two young DE’s that grade out as top 3-4 DE’s already in their young career… check out any sites grading of thornton and Cox,.. and they inheritted the top interior pass rusher Curry..
    I would say we invested Plenty in the DL in two years. You dont need Veterans if the puppies you have are playing at an elite level racking up some high grades from just about everyone…
    we have one of the youngest DL in the NFL, and its already one of the best. Why would they pay to add veterans? they havent had to pay any of their young studs yet, so you cant really say they dont value DL, just because it wasnt time to pay our young DL yet
    contrary chip is always ranting and raving about his top young DL. my impression is chip, Azz and Billy think very highly of thornton, Bennie and Cox…
    Cox often is beloved by the coaching staff and team mates for his practice habits. he is known to practice like a dominant mad man, having elite young players who bring it and set the tone in practice every day is something I highly doubt chip devalues..
    Im also not certain about this narrative that we devalue WR’s… while that could end up being true, I think its a premature statement at this point. They offered Maclin a very nice contract, paid Cooper some good money…. while we can make a case for him devaluing WR’s, we can also make a case for simply wanting to get younger at the position and get his OWN Wr’s… when it comes to offense, by next year, there probably wont be many andy reid players left, so we cant really say he devalues WR yet when he is in the middle of re-doing the entire offense with his own personnel. we have hip Kelly QB, Chip kelly WR, Chip kelly RB’s, 2 of 3 chip kelly TE’s, a Chip Kelly RT, Chip kelly RG..
    i cant say we devalue WR’s at this point when Chip is clearly tearing down the majority of Andy’s offensive personnel and re-doing it with personnel the man better thinks fits his offense..
    I think we will find out a lot about what Chip Thinks of WRs in this draft. the man spent a 2nd round pick and a 3rd round pick on WR’s just last year, if he drafts another WR in the first 3 rounds, I dont think you can AT ALL make a case for Chip devaluing WR’s… if we go with Jordan and Huff and dont add any WR’s til around round 5, then maybe we can say that he is devaluing the WR position..
    but to make THAT statement now, is silly IMO..
    2nd round Jordan
    3rd round Huff
    2nd round Ertz
    5th round pick on Sproles
    Good money 2 yr deal(basically) for Cooper
    offering Maclin a very nice contract
    if he adds another WR in the top 100, i dont see how anyone can say he is devaluing the Position, he is just getting younger at the position and getting his own guys instead of continuing to play wih Andys

  18. 18 Gary Barnes said at 10:57 PM on April 23rd, 2015:


  19. 19 Iggles Nation said at 11:25 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    100% you pay a player like him. Young, ascending, pro bowl level, disruptive, high motor, 4 down player. Home grown high level talent. Unless it’s a must to give him up (thought of Kendricks is bad enough) to get MM. Then lock him up. If he’s on the roster May 4th, get him a new contract by lunch.

  20. 20 Ben Hert said at 8:33 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    What have they shown to say they value DL? They’ve heavily invested in LB’s in the past three years, but Bennie Logan is the most we have to show so far. It would not surprise me one bit if they refuse to get in a bidding war for Cox next year. Its the same situation as Maclin. CK believes that he can make WR’s work with replacement level talent, while investing heavily at OL and RB. Seems to be the same situation for DL vs. LB on defense.

  21. 21 GEAGLE said at 9:14 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    chip often calls our young DL the strength of our team..
    Cox isnt just a DE, he is the player that makes everyone on defense better. No matter which player has success, they always stop to point out that there success is due to what Cox does freeing them up… Barwin, Kendricks, Meco they dont stop to praise the DL, they give credit for their achievements to Cox specifically…
    I can promise you chip kelly does not DEVALUE the battle of the trenches… thats very very different then devaluing WR’s… NO Head coach Devalues the OL or DL
    fletcher Cox is the best player on the philadelphia Eagles.. not the best DL, not the best young player, not the best Defender, he is hands down the best player of the philadelphia Eagles and since he barely turned 24yrs old, I think we havent even seen his best football yet…

  22. 22 GEAGLE said at 8:23 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    no… They will just piss away the one young player that makes everyone else on our defense better…. F It, why waste any more time? Let’s just Cut Cox today and get it over with… Or trade him for a 3rd round pick

  23. 23 Jean_csouz said at 9:03 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Imagine if MM is still on the board at 7. The Eagles trade up to the top 10 and select… Bryce Petty – ou Brett Hundley.

  24. 24 Rambo said at 9:13 PM on April 23rd, 2015:


  25. 25 SuPaFrO said at 11:08 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    It would remind me of the Graham over Thomas pick.

  26. 26 Iggles Nation said at 11:29 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I’ll be haunted with this memory for the rest of my life

  27. 27 GEAGLE said at 8:21 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Interesting you say if he is on the board at #7… I heard recent rumblings that we have been in close contact with the Bears this past week or so… No idea why tho

  28. 28 Greg Richards said at 9:05 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Yes, you’d trade Cox if you were getting a franchise QB. You’re not getting that. You’re getting a high draft pick where you’d take a potential franchise QB. Cox is a known stud. So-called future franchise QBs have a very high bust rate. I don’t care whether he played for Chip or not, there is still a high degree of risk involved. I’m not trading the known quantity elite player for what could be. Kendricks, Boykin, Bradford sure. Not Cox.

  29. 29 botto said at 9:25 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    can cox run the spread?

  30. 30 RobNE said at 10:20 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    If Chip does this, and who knows right, I think it goes to his comment about not mortgaging all his picks. You are very right about Cox, but then in theory IF you are willing to consider trading him, that could significantly reduce the rest of the package you have to give up.

    Really, is he worth the Eagles 2016 1st round pick? I think we would all say he’s worth MORE than that because 1) we expect that pick to be 20-32, and 2) he isn’t a pick, he is a high pick that hit. So what does that mean, 2016 first AND what else? then subtract that from the package. Does it make sense to Chip to include the extra picks or Cox?

    I have no idea, but that’s the logic to me. the more everyone says you can’t possibly trade him should mean the more value you should get.

  31. 31 Greg Richards said at 10:22 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    If I want Mariota, I call TEN’s bluff. If they take Mariota or trade him to another team, so be it. If he drops to 4, then I call OAK and make my move.

  32. 32 RobNE said at 10:25 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I see this too. I have really wondered about this. I think there is a lot of f’ing smoke and little fire. It depends on what TEN wants compared to OAK though right. If it’s a small difference, just do it. If TEN really wants the world, then call the bluff.

    I see you may just be saying with OAK you don’t need Cox at all. Who knows. It’s some really high stakes poker.

  33. 33 Greg Richards said at 10:39 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Honestly, I think in the end, TB takes Mariota or does a trade with someone. I don’t see how any business organization, which is what a football team is, takes a player with such enormous character questions to be the face of the franchise. If you take Mariota and he flames out, okay that affects you on the football field. The risks involved with Winston are a lot more severe.

  34. 34 OregonDucker said at 11:30 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    That’s why Chip wears a visor. We will see how well he plays the cards he’s dealt. I wouldn’t bet against him.

  35. 35 GEAGLE said at 8:20 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Preach! We should be calling their bluff instead of bending over like these fans would have us do

  36. 36 GEAGLE said at 8:19 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Well said…. Laughable how people are starting to downplay Cox now. SMH

  37. 37 Jeff said at 9:05 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    It almost makes too much sense for Chip to try to draft MM, given every other move he’s made has left us scratching our heads wondering what the heck he was thinking. Outside of Chip’s world, we connect the dots and think he will make a big move for him. Realistically, I think he uses the pick to select one of the other prospects that have been covered, or even trade back for more picks.

    On the other hand, though, he has said he think MM will win multiple SB’s, and Chip is in this to win SB’s, so you never know….

    Also, everybody talks about the top two picks going QB, isn’t there another top prospect that can fit their areas of need? Nothing says QBs will go top 2.

  38. 38 GEAGLE said at 8:18 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    If chip wanted to draft MM, WOULDNT it make more sense for him not to tell other teams that he is so great he will win multiple superbowls?
    Looks to me like he has been pumping his boy up to try and get him drafted as high as possible. Personally everything that comes out of chips mouth is the opposite of what I would expect him to say if we really we desperate to move up for him… Sounds to me like he is talking his boy up
    Of course what a normal person would do, isn’t always the same as what chip will do, so who knows…
    I’m excited for Bradford era, but I get that fans will a,ways go gaga over the top college prospect

  39. 39 ICDogg said at 10:20 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    What a Mr. Ed press conference might look like


  40. 40 RobNE said at 10:26 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    is that flag backwards?

  41. 41 FairOaks said at 2:31 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    The stars go on the top left, so when hung vertically, that is actually correct.

    “When displayed either horizontally or vertically against a wall, the union should be uppermost and to the flag’s own right, that is, to the observer’s left.”


  42. 42 A_T_G said at 6:40 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    So, the author of this government document decided the most clear way to explain himself would be to first describe things from the perspective of the inanimate object, and then add the perspective of the reader as an afterthought?

    I recognize this author’s work. I am pretty sure he wrote my tax instructions.

  43. 43 FairOaks said at 8:57 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    🙂 That is actually the Flag Code, technically part of the law, though unenforceable (36 U.S.C. 175 in that link, though I guess now it’s 4 U.S.C. 7). It was originally written in the 1920s by a private group, and it sounds like they were trying to follow some of the rules of heraldry (i.e. coats of arms), where a lot of terms are from the point of view of the wearer of the shield (i.e. opposite the viewer). “Dexter”, or right, is the position of honor — but that is the wearer’s right, so it is the viewer’s left. I’m not sure that heraldry rules really apply to flags, but the authors there did obviously. So they are trying to keep the stars in the position of honor, basically.

  44. 44 A_T_G said at 11:26 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Historical context to the rescue again. I guess my Social Studies teachers were on to something.

  45. 45 Baloophi said at 10:43 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    This is solid research IC… take the rest of the night off, my friend.

  46. 46 Michael Winter Cho said at 10:51 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I was surprised how few people mentioned that Cox would likely be part of a Mariota deal. He’s the best player on the team, after all. I think people don’t want to talk about it because they’re afraid it could happen!

  47. 47 Baloophi said at 10:55 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Trading Cox = Global Warming

  48. 48 GermanEagle said at 7:19 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Last time I checked there’s no such thing like global warming.

  49. 49 A_T_G said at 7:20 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    I agree. It was chilly this morning.

  50. 50 GermanEagle said at 7:21 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Bloody joke. 39 degrees in NY today! Where’s the spring gone?!?

  51. 51 Michael Winter Cho said at 10:09 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Gets hotter and drier ever year here in Arizona. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/post/global-warming-in-america-arizonas-heating-up-the-fastest-florida-the-slowest/2012/06/13/gJQAOG7zZV_blog.html

    As if we needed it!

  52. 52 RobNE said at 7:29 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Where did you check?

  53. 53 A_T_G said at 7:31 AM on April 24th, 2015:


  54. 54 GermanEagle said at 8:25 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    I called Petrus in heaven.

  55. 55 eagleyankfan said at 7:39 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    OD has been hinting at this for weeks on this site…nothing new…

  56. 56 Gary Barnes said at 10:56 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I agree, Tommy…I’ll say it again, Chip better be right if he makes a trade like that. Cox is elite at this level, you’d be trading him for a ?, a player who has never taken a snap at this level and may bust out. And the problem is you will not know until he is on the team and starts…Its like trading Hamels for a highly touted AA prospect pitcher…it is very risky.

  57. 57 OregonDucker said at 11:14 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    But you keep Bradford.

  58. 58 RobNE said at 8:20 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    wow you think in an MM trade they keep Bradford?

  59. 59 Guest said at 8:26 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Wow you think anyone will trade away a top pick for a QB on a 1yr deal who won’t sign an extension before completing the trade? LOL

  60. 60 FairOaks said at 10:31 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    If they are trading Cox they better. I might even hope they keep #20 if they are giving up Fletcher.

  61. 61 ACViking said at 8:39 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    The plan is to redshirt Mariota.

    Have Bradford start in 2015 and pile up big numbers.

    Then tag Bradford and let him find a team that will give the Eagles a first round pick in 2016.

  62. 62 GEAGLE said at 9:03 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    why would a team give a first round pick for a guy on a franchise tag who they can just sign at the end of the year? its bad enough they would have to give Sam an expensive new deal, you really think they will also give up a high draft pick to secure him a year early? of course there are some pretty dumb and Desperate GM’s out there so anything is possible,.
    I dont think Bradford is getting traded, not because we want to red shirt MM, but because i dont believe anyone will want a QB on a 1yr deal who will refuse to sign an extension in a trade involving the #2 pick in the draft..
    why would a team want Bradford in return if he wont sign an extension, when them accepting Bradford means they will get less draft picks in return
    I dont see why a team would take for example, 2 first round picks and Bradford, when they can tell us they dont want Bradford and get a 3rd first round pick in return?
    i dont at all believe we will see a team trade away the #2 pick for a package including a QB on a 1yr deal who wont sign an extension..
    the only realistic was I see a possible scenario where we acquire MM and trade away Sam, is if a Dumb team like the Browns give up a first round pick for a QB who publically stated he wants no parts of signing an extension with them, and then we turn around and include the first rounder we got for Sam in the package we send to the titans..
    i know the Browns are pretty friggin stupid. and I literally mean STUPID, as in lacking friggin IQ and common sense. even worse they are desperate… but when they were offering a first rounder for Sam that was before his agent publically stated they want no parts with the browns and basically they shouldnt trade for him because his client wont sign an extension wit such a pathetic franchise… if the browns dont give up a 1st round pick, I dont see a scenario for MM being here next year and Sam not being here…. unless the Browns give up a 1st rounder, I assume there is a better chance of MM and SAM BOTH being here, then ONLY MM being here because we traded SAM away.
    thankfully less then a week left of speculation

  63. 63 anon said at 1:39 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    some GMs/coaches don’t have a year to wait.

  64. 64 OregonDucker said at 11:33 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    AC – Only an evil football genius could construct such a plan. 😉

  65. 65 Gary Barnes said at 9:01 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    As what, a $13M backup? If you draft Mariota at #2, he will likely not be sitting on the bench….unless they want to use Bradford as a 1 yr bridge, but to pay $13M and give up draft picks for that seems silly…Foles could have done that at a much cheaper price

  66. 66 GEAGLE said at 9:05 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    MM isnt starting next year no matter what happens with Sam…. they would start Sanchez in september over MM I assume…
    if we end up with MM, i think the earliest we see him start is after the bye week he takes over for Sam or Mark

  67. 67 NinjaP said at 11:02 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Mariota is a piece of dog shit in comparison to Fletcher Cox. Cox is a level above every player in this draft, no one even has his ceiling.

  68. 68 MattE said at 11:19 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    It’s happening.

  69. 69 SuPaFrO said at 11:36 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    So if we trade away Cox. Would we just have curry or starter? Or move over Bennie n have Beau start at NT? It sends like it’ll create lack of depth. After them.

  70. 70 anon said at 11:42 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    you can find cedric thortons around, just need big guys. especially if oyu have more dynamic LB play.

  71. 71 Joe Minx said at 11:58 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Nah, Taylor Hart brah. This was the plan all along. 😉

  72. 72 D3FB said at 2:15 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    The Cox fetishism amazes me.

    Very good player? Yes.

    Critical position? No

    Scheme enhances his abilities? No.

    About to become very very very expensive? Yes.

    Can you get relative production for a fraction of the price? Yes.

  73. 73 Brian Pillion said at 4:44 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    I think with the spotty nature of our recent draft record, people can’t help but fall in love with a hit who’s survived multiple scheme changes and still thrived. It’s the difference between fandom and cold-blooded managerial shrewdness. The thing that I love about Chip is that he can call Fletch the team’s MVP, mean it, and yet (feasibly) not think twice about using him to go his franchise QB.

  74. 74 RobNE said at 6:33 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    What is trade value worth? Ie what would he save us having to throw in the deal?

  75. 75 GermanEagle said at 7:17 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    That’s the minion dollar question. While I agree with D3FB, I wouldn’t part ways with more than #20, Cox and our first round pick next year. That’s basically the value of 3 1st rounders. Maybe throw in Boykin/Mathis but that would be it for me.

  76. 76 OregonDucker said at 11:39 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    You’re getting warm GermanEagle. Hot even.

  77. 77 eagleyankfan said at 12:16 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    What no Bradford in the trade? Or you saying — Bradford stays and a young QB waits in the wings?

  78. 78 anon said at 1:38 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    lots of pressure on Mariota’s shoulders. But that’s great that we can keep sammy b.

  79. 79 D3FB said at 1:45 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    A first and some change

  80. 80 RobNE said at 2:09 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    but wouldn’t you rather give up the pick than get that value? That does not seem like enough to make it worth trading such a good player.

  81. 81 D3FB said at 3:33 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    I don’t know that it’s either or. I think it the open market you could get a 1st and a 2nd-4th for Cox, but for the other team making the deal they would likely prefer a sure thing over a couple more draft picks.

    I think it simply comes down to the fact that a 34 2gap DE is a fairly easy position to replace, yes Cox does some things outside the scheme but you’re talking about having to pay him 12 mil a year vs getting a potential franchise QB, the cap room, and playing a cheap young guy like Hart or a draft pick and getting 90% of the output.

  82. 82 anon said at 3:46 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    It’s the same thing chip’s been doing with other “stars” the last couple of years so can’t be surprised when he does it now.

  83. 83 unhinged said at 6:33 PM on April 26th, 2015:

    Not close.

  84. 84 Ben Hert said at 8:03 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Could not agree more. He’s great, but when was the last time he took over a game for us and truly made the difference between a win and a loss? If someone wants Cox as part of a deal to secure a potential franchise QB, than I make that deal 100/100 times instead of throwing away 3 years of first round picks.

  85. 85 Guest said at 10:15 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    he is the best player on the eagles.,. when was the last time a 23 year old took over a game? we havent even seen the puppies best yet…

  86. 86 unhinged said at 6:30 PM on April 26th, 2015:

    In three years of first round picks, we’d be very lucky to get someone who is as good as Cox was in his rookie year, nevermind the player he is now.

  87. 87 OregonDucker said at 11:42 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Thank you D3FB for TRUTH. The Cox fetish is unrealistic and potentially detrimental to the future.

  88. 88 ICDogg said at 11:48 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    You take your best player off the defense in order to trade up to get a rookie quarterback — and I don’t necessarily argue with doing that, understanding the importance of a franchise QB — but let’s not pretend that this isn’t a rebuilding year if that’s the direction we’re going.

  89. 89 anon said at 1:38 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    But we play a 34 just like shady is a great back, but not for the system. Djax is a great WR, but not for the system. Cox is a great DL but the system makes him more expendable, especially when it comes to getting a QB.

  90. 90 unhinged said at 2:00 PM on April 25th, 2015:

    “relative production” – really? I don’t know who you’re going to find at a “fraction”. The reason that he’s about to become very very very… is because he is a game-changer. Want to gut that defense? Ship him out and get used to 10-6… if we’re lucky.

  91. 91 D3FB said at 3:32 PM on April 25th, 2015:

    Yes. The primary function of a 34 2 gap DE is to shut down the run. Cedric Thorton does everything the scheme ask of him to do. Cox’s pass rush is an added bonus.

    You can get two young guys, one as a rotational rusher, the other a 2 down run stuffer, and they will provide similar production, they’ll cost a couple mil a year max, and would give you relative production.

    Remind me again the most games we’ve won with Cox? But somehow without him our ceiling is the same amount we’ve won with him?

    How many playoff games have Cox, Suh, Watt, Marcell Dareus, Wilkerson, Geno Atkins, Richardson, Dontari Poe, Jurell Casey won? Combined? I’ll wait.

    QBs >>>>>>>>>>>>> interior DL.

  92. 92 unhinged said at 6:12 PM on April 26th, 2015:

    I don’t want to argue in the abstract. You see Cox’s pass rush as a bonus, but I see it as the nucleus of the DL. Thornton’s run stopping would be less impressive if he was not playing next to this beast that you undervalue. And Barwin’s Graham’s and Curry’s sack #’s all go down. If we were discussing Cox for Luck, I’d buy your argument, but we’re talking about a team MVP for a touted prospect. 2 things that make this a bad idea, imo: It pushes back the clock on the D, and it puts way more pressure on MM to vindicate the coach’s hunch than is optimal. I agree with Kelly’s approach that everyone is expendable and nobody’s safe, but a move like this would damage the team to “save” the team. I would pay a ransom to see the look on Jeff Lurie’s face when Chip announces this move.

  93. 93 D3FB said at 12:34 AM on April 27th, 2015:

    I’m not arguing in the abstract. I’m arguing that the way a 34 2 gap defense is set up, specifically the Steelers brand that Davis runs the DE’s are run stoppers first, second, third, and then rush the passer.

    To be successful it needs Brent Keisel, not Haloti Ngata.

  94. 94 unhinged said at 4:15 PM on April 27th, 2015:

    Cox is probably 2-gapping 50% of the snaps he sees, if that. I think you’re justifying your devaluation of Cox by putting him in a box where he doesn’t belong. And, I’m sorry, but going on about the 34 D, as if there is no goal of exceeding the basic requirements is exactly what I mean by abstract. You say “QBs >>>>>>>>>>>>> interior DL.” And I say sell that to Tom Brady after 2 SB losses to the Giants. The primacy of the QB is exactly why the 2nd most important role on a team is that of pass rusher. You think that is not critical? Haven’t you heard? Defense wins championships.

  95. 95 D3FB said at 4:25 PM on April 27th, 2015:

    Franchise QB > JJ Watt (best player in the game)

    I again return to my point, how many playoff games have Watt, Atkins, Poe, Richardson, Wilkerson, Cox, McCoy, Watt, Casey, won?

  96. 96 unhinged said at 5:04 PM on April 28th, 2015:

    I agree that a franchise QB is more valuable than JJ or Fletcher, but I was responding to the notion that such talent is to be traded on a HOPE of a franchise QB. I think Kelly should and probably does have the ability to take calculated risks such as trading away his best player for an undeveloped talent, but in this instance I just think it is too high a price/risk, and the pressure that it would put on Kelly, MM and the whole franchise would be an unwelcome reality for us all to experience.

  97. 97 A_T_G said at 6:42 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Being that Tommy acknowledges the possibility and a few commenters have labeled it an impossibility, a Cox trade seems almost guaranteed. In that spirit, I would like to start compiling headline suggestions for the event. Feel free to contribute your own.

  98. 98 A_T_G said at 6:43 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Divorced: Eagles Cox to plug another’s holes

  99. 99 A_T_G said at 6:45 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Eagles OL Castrated! No More Cox!

  100. 100 A_T_G said at 7:15 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Texans Love Getting Cox

  101. 101 A_T_G said at 7:19 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Eagles D Getting Married: Hart Replacing Cox

  102. 102 GermanEagle said at 7:20 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Amidst all rumours, Chip doesn’t like Cox after all.

  103. 103 Nicodemus_09 said at 2:27 PM on April 25th, 2015:

    Finding a willing partner should be easy in a league that is longing for Giant Cox.

  104. 104 A_T_G said at 7:29 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Opposing OLs Happy: Cox Blocking Ends

  105. 105 Mac said at 12:07 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    I’ll trade you a Cox with a box of lox down by the dock, for that Fox in socks with the beautiful locks.

  106. 106 GermanEagle said at 7:14 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    The Bucs actually hold the trigger in order to cause total Draft chaos. That’s if they don’t pick a QB…

  107. 107 A_T_G said at 7:28 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    If they take Fowler or Cooper, every pre-draft discussion goes out the window. If they take Landon Collins, our board will suddenly be empty.

  108. 108 Avery Greene said at 7:32 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    With the 20th pick in the 2015 NFL Draft, the Eagles take:

    Jon Harris – Diamond in the Rough

    Oh wait, sorry just a bad flash back.

  109. 109 RobNE said at 7:39 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Not funny. I still remember that.

  110. 110 Nu_B said at 10:12 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Hey at least that year we got Chad Lewis!

  111. 111 370HSSV 0773H said at 7:30 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Titans…#2 pick…Mariota…blah, blah, blah. It’s gonna be funny when the Bucs take Mariota with the first pick and the drama ends pretty quickly.

  112. 112 Avery Greene said at 7:34 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Everyone in Philly media afterwards…


  113. 113 Alistair Middlemiss said at 7:35 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    I want Mariota to fall to like 12, and for us to not trade up and get him just as a fuck you to this whole Mariota bandwagon. Not that i don’t like him as a prospect but because i hate giving away picks and players for a low % outcome.

  114. 114 Avery Greene said at 7:37 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Or they trade up and take Arik Armstead or Brandon Scherf.

  115. 115 GEAGLE said at 7:49 AM on April 24th, 2015:


  116. 116 370HSSV 0773H said at 7:43 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    After Mariota goes #1, the Jameis Winston drop will take place. It’s a shame he won’t be there so we can see his pathetic face.

  117. 117 NinjaP said at 9:11 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Yes he will drop all the way to #2 when the titans take him.

  118. 118 GEAGLE said at 7:48 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    i would be so happy

  119. 119 eagleyankfan said at 7:43 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    “I loved the fact that Marynowitz said the Eagles would be coming up with their strategy for the draft. ” — shouldn’t every nfl team have a strategy? If not, shame on them. “Coming up with”? — what the — if they don’t already have the strategy by now — here comes another 1st round panic pick (a la last year).
    Speaking of last year — now that CK’s in charge — what’s different this year than last year?

  120. 120 GEAGLE said at 7:48 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    i dont believe anything is different, because i dont buy the bullshit blame last year on howie crap. I think since chip arrived howie has been very accomodating getting chip whatever he wanted.. maybe howie showed him a better way to get the players he wanted for example wait til rond 5 intead of taking Hart in round 3..
    but personally I think howie was giving Chip whatever he wanted anyway, so I dont expect anything will change. Hopefully Marynowitz can Real Chip in when need be, and get chip to wait til a later round to get the player he wants to reach for

  121. 121 eagleyankfan said at 7:51 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    I hear ya. Let’s hope this is a great draft…

  122. 122 GEAGLE said at 8:11 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Amen….actually I don’t think the Eagles get the credit they deserve for the last few drafts, they have drafted pretty damn well at least in the top 3 rounds..
    Rd 1:
    2012: Cox
    2013: Lane
    2014: MS2
    Rd 2:
    2012: Mykal and Curry
    2013: Ertz
    2014: pope jordan

    rd 3
    2012: FOles
    2013: Logan
    2014: Huff

    I’d rather hit on our early picks then out late picks, but hopefully they have a spectacular draft where we hit on our top 3 picks and find some gems in the later rounds

  123. 123 eagleyankfan said at 8:14 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    not bad — not bad at all…

  124. 124 GEAGLE said at 8:53 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    hopefully we continue hitting on our top 100 picks (im a big MS2 fan), AND we uncover some Gems in rounds 4-7 like Beau Allen.
    If Jesse James falls to round 4, i would draft him without even looking to see who is on the board

  125. 125 370HSSV 0773H said at 7:48 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    By draft strategy, I think he means they are going to go over how they will handle different draft scenarios as they unfold. For instance, last year they targeted 6 players in the first, after they were gone, they traded down.

  126. 126 eagleyankfan said at 7:50 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    that strategy should already be in place. I think it probably is already.

  127. 127 370HSSV 0773H said at 7:55 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    How can they have draft scenarios finished when they just finished up meeting with players and evaluating them? The draft is a week away. That’s a lot of time to go over their draft strategy.

  128. 128 eagleyankfan said at 7:58 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Here’s my strategy/game plan (a,b,c,d) — here are the players we’d like to target (1, 2, 3,4) — -now marry the two. The strategy needs to be in place already. If they haven’t figured out a strategy by now well, we end up missing 6 targets(like last year) trade back — have multiple conversations with HR and CK about how a WR will fall and they need to pick someone else…..

  129. 129 370HSSV 0773H said at 8:04 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    I repeat … they just finished up meeting with players. Two days ago was the last day teams can meet with players.

  130. 130 eagleyankfan said at 8:13 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    I repeat — strategy != player evaluations

  131. 131 GEAGLE said at 7:45 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Tom where are you getting the 3rd draft criteria “how the player compares to the eagles roster?”..
    wasnt the 3rd draft criteria Marynowitz mentioned “the hardest to figure out”. Character/intangibles that cant be seen on tape?

  132. 132 OregonDucker said at 11:49 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    According to Mano: Culture = character, attitude, and intelligence. Quote: “Just because a guy is exceptional or deficient in one won’t preclude us from taking him, but ideally, especially in the in the upper rounds, you’re striving for guys that fit in all three of those.”

  133. 133 Mac said at 12:10 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    a.k.a. let the other team roll the dice on that player who seems more than just a little unhinged or more than just a couple fries short of that happy meal.

  134. 134 GEAGLE said at 7:50 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Les Bowan asked Marynowitz “how do we know we arent getting Fleeced in trades?” lol what a disrespectful thing to ask a director of personnel as if he is an incompetant shmuck that doesnt understand trade value..
    Interesting that Marynowitz revealed that we brought in some outside consultants to get us up to speed on “trade value”

  135. 135 eagleyankfan said at 7:52 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    wow. That trade value stuff is why I thought HR was going to be in the war room with CK n company. Interesting indeed.

  136. 136 A_T_G said at 8:00 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Maybe they are talking about Howie. Maybe CK and EM didn’t recognize him after being locked in a janitor’s closet for the last four months.

  137. 137 eagleyankfan said at 8:02 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    I can hear Howie now on the way to the draft…”I call shot gun”. CK — “No Howie, you take the taxi”. Camera zooms out as HR is left standing in the rain…

  138. 138 anon said at 9:34 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Nope he’s taking coffee orders and handling the refreshments. I would put his involvement with this draft as pretty close to 0%. Kelly must hate him.

  139. 139 GEAGLE said at 9:52 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    howie is going to be in the War room… I assume, the only reason chip values him enough to let him in the War room is to help give imput on trade value and because he probably has a relationship with a lot of GM’s league wide and knows some of their tendencies, and can help smell out who is trying to bluff us.. dont see what other reason there is to have a cap guy in the draft war room, and chip did say he values Howies oppinion which is why he will be in the war room with us on draft night..

  140. 140 370HSSV 0773H said at 8:09 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Les Bowen thinks his job is to uncover conspiracies and lies.

  141. 141 iceberg584 said at 8:10 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    I believe it was actually Sheil Kapadia that asked that question. Les asked about his age being a factor.

  142. 142 GEAGLE said at 8:45 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    i think your right..les did ask the silly age question…
    howard eskin, the moron he is was trying to ask specific draft scenarios.. would you rather trade up for so and so, or use the extra picks instead of trading them away, as if he had any chance of getting an honest answer
    even better the fools asking specific questions about Landon Collins fitting or not fitting in our scheme, when Marynowitz has to be the biggest incompetant fool to answer that question..
    as usual, media waste half of its acess asking dumb shit that has no shot at being answered

  143. 143 anon said at 9:34 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    it’s terrible, even if manny did slip up that’s terrible for the team.

  144. 144 GEAGLE said at 10:02 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    i dont know about other fans, but id rather wait to find out in a week then for our media to get our GM to slip up and say something that can hurt us in the draft.
    The media spends about 70% of its access to eagles coaches/GM’s either asking questions that have ZERO SHOT of getting answered, or trying to get our leaders to slip up and say something that puts us at a competitive disadvantage..
    then when you call out the media for their TMZ behavior they say, Its MY JOB to ASK the question, We have to ask the QUESTION… NO ITS NOT!!! your Friggin Job is to get information for us fans. You arent doing your job if you waste one of the two questions you are allowed to ask in over a month, on something that no coach in his right mind would answer. You are wasting what little access you have asking questions about contract extensions, or specific players in the draft.. Its NOT YOUR JOB to ask a QUESTION if you know Franchise Policy is to NOT SPEAK about contract negotiations publically
    it drives me crazy… I waited how long to finally hear Marynowitz speak? and a 3rd of the questions were absurd qustions that every knows wont be answered
    we got media members that have been doing this job for 20 years asking a GM to basically tell the world what he plans on doing in the draft thats 6 days away? how is this ok?
    wish the eagles would start suspending credentials/access for certain reporters. If you dont know how to act, and you waste everyones time asking crap that cant be answered, you should have your access suspended for a month… that will teach these hacks to actually provide fans with some decent coverage

  145. 145 GEAGLE said at 8:51 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    does anyone know who the woman working for the media is that is almost always asking intelligent questions? no idea who she is, or who she works for… It wasnt Reah Hughes who also asked questions yesterday, its some other lady that had access this past season and always impresses me with the question she asks considered to the rest of our local hack media

  146. 146 Tdoteaglefan said at 7:58 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Eagles brain trust..including chip kelly are at UCONN working out Byron jones again this morning..as well as Geremy davis and bj mcbryde

  147. 147 Mac said at 10:36 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    You think they are Jonesin for Jones? (I think they are)

  148. 148 Avery Greene said at 10:37 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    I think so. I’m feeling that he is going at #20 if he’s there.

  149. 149 Mac said at 10:39 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Agreed, it’d be a surprise if they don’t take him.

  150. 150 Alistair Middlemiss said at 10:41 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    I am all aboard the Byron&Byron firm. Think you can find OL of real quality in rounds 2 and 3 and can find WR’s later than that. Secondary players who we have struggled to hit on in the middle rounds? no so much.

  151. 151 anon said at 10:45 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    def prefer rg in a zone blocking scheme. I think one of the 3 other corners on this team boykin, carrol, thurmond can compete for that other outside spot. Their job will be made easier by the fact that we have a bunch of linebackers that are great in space.

    we need a safety — i’m really hoping for stevie brown once we move some high-salaried players in the draft.

  152. 152 Avery Greene said at 10:45 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Yeah, I agree. The mock I’m currently working on should reflect that.

  153. 153 GEAGLE said at 10:54 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    get me Daryl Williams in round 3 please 🙂
    fuck the ducks… Im turning this team into Oklahomaville:
    Bradford, Demarco, Jordan Phillps in round 2 DT, Daryl Williams in round 3 OL

  154. 154 scratcherk said at 8:31 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Franchise qb > 3-4 end sounds great. Jamarcus Russell > jj watt does not.

  155. 155 GEAGLE said at 8:35 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    marriota is the Jesus Christ of the gridiron. how dare you bring up Jamarcus name… dont you know Marriota is the best QB prospect to come out in years, who will go on to win more superbowkls then he has fingers?

  156. 156 Avery Greene said at 8:44 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    That would be awesome for this guy.


  157. 157 Michael Winter Cho said at 10:04 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    No one will ever say he was too nice to win a Superbowl!

  158. 158 BobSmith77 said at 10:10 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Jamarcus ate himself out the league (literally) and was legendary in his lack of work ethic both in the weight room & film room. Neither is remotely applicable from Mariotta from the various reports out there. Plenty of possible knocks on him but not those issues.

  159. 159 GEAGLE said at 10:12 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    A SERIOUS RESPONSE, to a sarcastic post?

  160. 160 iceberg584 said at 8:37 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    JJ Watt just had one of the best individual defensive seasons in history, and his team was lucky to be 9-7.

  161. 161 anon said at 9:32 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    what the probability that Mariota is Jamarcus Russell?

  162. 162 GEAGLE said at 10:12 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    probably better then the probability of him being Aaron Rogers

  163. 163 RC5000 said at 11:07 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Small especially if he were here. Did Russell strike you as a smart, athletic, in shape QB?

  164. 164 GEAGLE said at 11:10 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    dont forget his promethezine with Codein habit aka “syrup” aka “Drank” aka “purple rain” aka “sizzurp”… dude was chuggin it allegedly… never really understood how anyone could enjoy cough syrup, but thats a different story. lets get high chugging cough syrup. and when we are done we can sniff some glue and snort pixi stick sugar.. Party!!! whoooo lol

  165. 165 GEAGLE said at 8:33 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    chip spoke about how we had too much invested in our offense and not enough invested in our defense and it showed on the field… chip talked about the importance of balancing out what we are investing in the offense and defense…,making it a point to really solidify the defense this offseason
    yet in every single fan scenario, they have us trading our very best young defenders in a package for a QB, when we have a higher rated QB?
    LOL funny how fans arent including Lane Johnson in trade scenarios, who will be the consensus best RT in the NFL by the end of the year…. not a word about trading Lane, but people can so easily throw Cox name in a trade? LOL fletcher Cox might be the best player on the Philadelphia eagles, you cant trade for a young kid without including our single best player on this team?
    absurd… dont know whats worst, media hacks throwing this shit out there, or fanboys…
    wanna trade for another QB, figure out a way to get it done without fucking with our defense… we finally put a quality defense in place and fans cant wait to blow it up…. sad….

  166. 166 GEAGLE said at 8:42 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    its true that we can find quality two gappers, but you are high if you think we will easily find a beast two gapper who eats up double teams, then throws them out of the way to make the tackle himself, who also is one of our top pass rushers, who lines up anywhere from 3-4 DE, to 4-3DE, to 4-3 DT, and even NT…
    not to mention we probably havent even seen his best ball yet which is a scary thought…

  167. 167 Brian Pillion said at 12:23 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    GEAGLE responding to GEAGLE? (backs out of room slowly)

  168. 168 anon said at 9:31 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    No one thinks they wouldn’t trade Lane — more dead $$ to eat, just hat Cox is probably more valuable, especially b/c he can play 34 or 43. Although BG thought he was special and immediately found out there was no market for his services.

  169. 169 GEAGLE said at 10:07 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Lane is probably the best young LT in the NFL even if he isnt playing on the Left side… we are talking about getting Bend over in crazy trades… you think the titans give a shit if the eagles have to eat dead money trading the player that the titans want? Titans have a nice Defense..
    The Marriota trade rumors arent ABOUT WHAT IS COMFORTABLE FOR US TO TRADE AWAY…its about what it takes to get the trade done… and its laughable that people will frivelously throw Cox name into the trades, yet not a single mention of trading Lane Johnson, which the titans would probably want as much as Cox if not More…

  170. 170 GEAGLE said at 10:10 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    people talk about trading whatever we have to to get this “franchise QB”, yet you bring up Dead Money? think the Titans give a shit if we have to eat dead money?
    funny how No One ever throws Lanes name into a trade… they just want to destroy our defense when we have been scoring 30 points a game since chip got here, and we havent accomplished ANYTHING becausxe the defense wasnt good enough, yet now people want to get rid of our best defender for another offensive player? friggin absurd

  171. 171 Henly125 said at 8:54 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    If Cox is dealt for a possible franchise QB, I have no problem with that. The team values these players a lot differently than we think. I doubt Chip would think twice on trading Cox if it gets him what he wants, especially with T. Hart waiting in the wings.

  172. 172 GEAGLE said at 10:13 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Taylor Hart waiting in the wings to replace the best player on the philadelphia eagles? stop it, and Im a taylor hart fan…

  173. 173 Henly125 said at 4:22 PM on April 25th, 2015:

    Lol I betcha if this does happen that’s who will start in place of Cox.

  174. 174 GermanEagle said at 10:14 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    How about quarterback Sam Bradford,defensive tackle Fletcher Cox, linebacker Mychal Kendricks and that 20th pick? Is that enough?

    That trade, which would be with the Tennessee Titans, owners of the No. 2 overall pick, and may also include the Cleveland Browns — but could work without them — is what was being discussed and dissected in some team’s meetings Thursday. All 32 NFL teams have convened with the start of the draft one week away.
    Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2015/04/24/eagles-draft-buzz-thread-424/#WUk8VDYsFc0Hgi6T.99

    Source: Mark Eckel…

  175. 175 GEAGLE said at 10:18 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    LOL what a joke… delete this crap
    you think they are going to trade the #2 pick, a kid we think is a franchise QB who they can pay cheap rookie contract for 5 years for:
    1) 13mil sam bradford they will have to give like 30 mil to in order to keep past this year..
    2) Mykal Kendricks who they will have to give 35mil to keep past this year.
    3) Cox a kid who they have to pay more then both of those players in two years?
    4) the 20th pick in the draft that will get them a 2nd round player they have to pay round 1 money for?
    stop it…. WTF are you doing reading Mark Eckel anyway?
    good one….

  176. 176 Mac said at 10:33 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    In all seriousness… this is a trade that is similar in some ways to the Mark Sanchez trade, which in my opinion is the best comp to this trade.

  177. 177 GermanEagle said at 10:59 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    I might be repeating myself, but you should be long gone from this board. Nobody needs to read your disrespectful and personal offensive posts every bloody day…

  178. 178 BobSmith77 said at 10:16 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Table of models last night at Abe Fisher talking about Kelly/Tebow (wildly mixed opinions on Tebow with the level of discourse you would expect from models with a lack of emphasis on his revised throwing mechanics) and Mike Sielski is on Radio Times with Marty Moss-Coane as the lead story today talking about the Eagles.

    Right or wrong I am amazed at people that are talking about the Eagles and Kelly who normally would have no interest or a nominal interest.

  179. 179 BobSmith77 said at 10:24 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Marynowitz has already learned one of the key skills of being an executive – saying a lot and appearing competent without saying anything of real substance.

  180. 180 Avery Greene said at 10:25 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    BGN has a draft prospect tracker up today. Some things of interest, but there’s three guys they’ve met with four times. Jones, Rowe, and Amos. Several CBs and Ss in the 3 visit range. Same with OL. This is going to be an interesting draft for sure.

    They’ve met with Mariota 3 times, but the other QBs to match that number? Hundley and Sims.


  181. 181 GEAGLE said at 10:26 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    marynowitz said we met/spoke with every prospect multiple times…

  182. 182 Avery Greene said at 10:32 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Yeah, but I think it may be indicative if they give a couple workouts. They have a private workout, pro day workout, meetings at the senior bowl – I think they have serious interest if they are constantly going back to the same people.

  183. 183 GEAGLE said at 11:05 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    i dont disagree, but even tho the media thinks its tracking all our Visits, I think we meet and talk to many more people, and many more times then the media finds out about… but who really knows how many more visits there are, or meetings/interviews that media hasnt found out about..
    he said we will have 150 names on our big board..which is standard from what I recall. But I would be curious to see when the draft ends, how many names on their list are still available? obviously those would be the guys we go after in UDFA…

  184. 184 GEAGLE said at 10:25 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Philly Voice’s Jimmy Kempski believes Eagles DE Vinny Curry could be had via trade.
    Curry, the 59th pick in the 2012 draft, is an imperfect fit in the Eagles’ 3-4 scheme after being drafted as a pure 4-3 end by the Andy Reid regime. He played 397 snaps last season in sub-packages, receiving positive marks for his pass-rush push. Curry managed 34 combined pressures. Entering the final year of his rookie contract, Curry could probably be had for a mid-to-late-rounder.-roto

    so we are going to lose one of the two interior pass rushers we have when we go to our 4man lines on 3rd down, for a 6th round pick? Really?
    Interior passrusher is a Position we lack SERIOUS DEPTH at… we have 2 quality interior pass rushers on 3rd down, and the drop off is so big after that, that I have no clue who the 3rd interior pass rusher would even be,.,.,, we barely have two Interior pass rushers worth a damn, and 1 fans plan on shipping away for a rookie QB, and the other one is going to be traded for a 6th round pick?
    REALLY???? lol

  185. 185 anon said at 10:28 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    i’m amazed you get worked up by all this media stuff every time. Everyone on the team is on the block.

  186. 186 GEAGLE said at 10:29 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    amazed I get worked up? really, I have the biggest smile on my face writing that post, but OK…cuz I believe a word out of a clown who draws stick figures in whats supposed to be professional coverage of the team.. Lol

  187. 187 FairOaks said at 10:37 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Actually, Kempski didn’t say he thinks he will be traded for a late round pick — that was added by others. He was just noting that Curry was likely to go elsewhere after this year so you’d risk losing him for nothing if you keep him. But Kempski’s final take is: “I’d lean toward Curry sticking with the team in 2015, as I’m not so sure trading him would be worth the return you’d get from another team.”

  188. 188 GEAGLE said at 10:41 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    lol we would probably get a better compensatory pick then a late pick,.,.,. and if he is traded, better odds that he is traded straight up for a player, instead of dumping him for a late pic which should never come out of anyones mouth
    even worse then talking about dumping a quality player in a meaningless trade, is for kempski to suggest the possibility for Dumping Curry after he just talked about dumping our only other interior pass rusher Cox;,… moronic at best

  189. 189 GermanEagle said at 10:43 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Reading comprehension is not his forte…

  190. 190 GEAGLE said at 10:43 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    hee haw hee haw.. fuck out of here Eore.. thanks for the reminder why i dont read your nonsense… back to being invisible you go…

  191. 191 GermanEagle said at 10:57 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    It’s really mind BLOWing that you are still not banned from here.

  192. 192 George said at 11:14 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    already banned from birds 24/7

  193. 193 GermanEagle said at 11:46 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    No surprise really.

  194. 194 Brian Pillion said at 12:58 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Hmmm, rather than banning him, I wonder what GEAGLE’s trade value might be. A bag of dildos? Do the Titans have need of a bag of dildos?

  195. 195 Bert's Bells said at 1:04 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    I dated a Russian girl once who would give a first rounder for a bag of dildos.

  196. 196 Nicodemus_09 said at 4:47 PM on April 25th, 2015:


  197. 197 Bert's Bells said at 11:24 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Haha. It’s sad that a native speaker has so much trouble with the language. Clearly “on the spectrum”.

  198. 198 MattE said at 12:50 PM on April 24th, 2015:


  199. 199 ACViking said at 12:54 PM on April 24th, 2015:


    Your comment is the sage equivalent of: “Relax, sit down, and have a double Chivas-and-soda on the rocks.”

  200. 200 D3FB said at 1:35 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    I just love that he adds the strawman of the trade being for a 6th round pick.

  201. 201 Alistair Middlemiss said at 10:31 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    I would hate to part with Curry, 3rd down specialist pass rushers are a premium position – he was on for a 10+sack season last year if not for penalties.

    Why trade him if he is going to walk in FA when you can use him this year and then pick up a comp pick in 2017 in the 4th round. Or you resign him because he is actually a valuable player and important as a 3rd down and 2nd and long player.

  202. 202 GEAGLE said at 10:36 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    CHIP has the right to trade anyone he wants, just dont tell me we are going to trade a very important player that we dont have a replacement for, for a fucking 6th round pick..
    you want to trade Curry, I think you are an idiot, but at the very least trade him for a pass rusher on an expiring contract who you think is a better fit for us, if we dont like Vinny..
    to say we will just piss him away for a 6th round pick, while Im being told we will piss away fletcher Cox is absurd..
    who the hell will rush the passer on 3rd down? LOL
    we trading away Curry and Cox our top 2 interior pass rushers, when the #3 interior pass rusher is probably our friggin NT? are people insane? do people really feel like drafting 2 DL when they have the best young DL in the NFL?
    If we trade Vinny Curry for a late draft pick, it means we will be forced to spend an early draft pick on Omagawbe or like Arik Armstead… and we wont have a high draft pick to draft them if we are trading Cox and the 20th pick in a deal for MM..
    WTF is wrong with people?

  203. 203 GEAGLE said at 10:48 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    10 sack season for someone who was playing about of the snaps is straight BEASTLY!!! and he has only been an interior pass rusher for what 2 years.. I expect an even bigger pass rush year out of him… losing him is bad enough, but talking about it as a possibility when you are already saying we will trade Cox is moronic… playing vinny this year and getting a compensatory pick is significantly more valuable then dumping him for a 5th pr 6th now…. heck, trade him for another player straight up…. talking about trading for him for a late pick isnt a trade, its a straght up DUMP…and I dont believe that we will dump such a talented pass rusher

  204. 204 Bert's Bells said at 11:22 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    So you think only scrubs are available for trade?

  205. 205 GEAGLE said at 11:27 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    keep it up,one of these days I might read your posts or give you a real response… the little engine that could.,. keeping chugging along little buddy, you can do it LOL

  206. 206 Bert's Bells said at 11:33 AM on April 24th, 2015:


  207. 207 Mac said at 12:14 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Ok, so I feel compelled to post this here, not sure why but I think it’s appropriate.


  208. 208 Bert's Bells said at 12:27 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Those kids are significantly more mentally advanced than GEAGLE.

  209. 209 unhinged said at 10:52 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    I have seen multiple mock drafts where La’el Collins was top 15 and T.J Clemmings was top 25. From what I can gather, Collins was invited to visit, and Clemmings so far has not been. My question for one and all: Who fits the Eagles’ pitchfork better?

  210. 210 GEAGLE said at 10:57 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    NFL Network’s Mike Mayock has LSU’s La’El Collins rated as his No. 1 offensive tackle.
    Iowa’s Brandon Scherff is Mayock’s No. 1 interior lineman. “The reason I have Collins as my No. 1 tackle is because out of the whole group he’s the only one where I bang the table and say: I think I know exactly what I’m getting. I’m getting a starting right tackle that can kick inside and play guard, but I’m getting a starter day one and he’s a body mover. All the other guys have question marks.” Most consider Stanford’s Andrus Peat the top tackle; he’s No. 4 on Mayock’s board.roto
    if this is true, we can forget Collins…. Peat sucks for us

  211. 211 ICDogg said at 11:12 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    On Optimum Scouting Scherff is listed as 31st overall, 5th OL behind Collins, Fisher, Peat, and Clemmings. Note that the overall list does not include quarterbacks.

    His write-up mostly praises the hell out of him but then points out that he should be a right tackle or guard due to his lack of agility.

    “Looking at where Scherff fits best in the NFL, he should either move to right tackle or guard to help overcome
    his length and struggles with speed rushers. He allows defenders to cross his face too often to be a quality blindside protector right now.”

  212. 212 GEAGLE said at 11:23 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    yes but it seems like they are basically combining all OL positions, or am I mistaken?
    alot of the guys project to play multiple positions, but I assume they are better at one position then the other even if they can do both,,, If I have giant hole in the starting lineup at Guard, and I have two quality young Tackles already in place, I probably snatch Sherff up with the quickness and just let him focus on Guard for his entire career..
    if a team has a hole at Guard,. but both of their starting Tackles are getting older and will need to be replaced soon, then I would probably prefer to stick Collins in at RG and eventually move him to RT, same with Fisher, Same with Clemming

    we are fortunate that we already have our LT of the future, and most of the top Guards also project to be just fine at RT… it would probably be harder if we needed a Guard who eventually had to be our LT

    Personally I cant see Molk on this roster again, so Im hoping we draft two OL in this draft.
    1) A guy who can start at RG and eventually be a RT, plenty of quality options
    2) A guy that can start at Guard, but would slide over at center if Kelce ever got hurt
    Sherff I really would LOVE at Guard, but I dont know how thrilled Id be with him as one of our Tackles
    I would probably be surprised to see Sherff or La’el available at #20… i would take either with the quickness if they fell to #20..but I also like clemmings, Fisher, Oklohoma’s Daryl Williams. we should be able to add at least 1 quality lineman into the mix, hopefully two

  213. 213 ICDogg said at 11:31 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Right, the O linemen are grouped together for the purpose of position ranking.

  214. 214 GEAGLE said at 11:30 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    “TFY Draft Insider Tony Pauline reports Stanford OT Andrus Peat will be a top-10 pick.
    Per Pauline, Peat “won’t get past the Rams” at No. 10 overall. Chatter coming out of St. Louis recently has the Rams really liking Peat, who we assume would replace free agent Joe Barksdale at right tackle with last year’s No. 2 pick Greg Robinson sticking on the left side. Peat could also go to the Giants at No. 9.”-roto

  215. 215 ICDogg said at 11:37 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    “Peat is not without his warts. Occasionally, the technical lapses will see him left exposed to inferior rushers who really have no business beating a man of his talent. If he puts himself out of position in pass protection early, he usually struggles to recover. Peat can have issues with over-bending at the waist, and sacrificing his base by reaching. Most concerning, despite an aggressive demeanor, his athleticism doesn’t really translate to success at the second level.”

    note- this is out of context and there is also a lot of praise

  216. 216 Alistair Middlemiss said at 11:39 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Everything coming out at the moment is total crap IMHO. any reports in the last 2 weeks of the draft i believe are more likely to be false than true.

  217. 217 ICDogg said at 11:42 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    I like reading the various projections but yeah, there is a lot of misinformation out there.

  218. 218 GEAGLE said at 11:31 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    The Baltimore Sun reports Iowa G/T Brandon Scherff is “drawing heavy interest” from teams in the Nos. 5-9 overall range.
    In order, the 5-9 range is Washington, the Jets, Bears, Falcons and Giants. All five teams have compelling needs along the offensive line. Scherff’s 33 3/8-inch arms are the reason he’s being projected as a guard in some quarters.

  219. 219 ICDogg said at 11:39 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    He’d be great for what the Eagles want. But most mockers have him way out of reach.

  220. 220 D3FB said at 1:31 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Stoutland went to TJ’s Pro day and did extra work with him. The private visits are all chalk talk and medicals, not workouts.

  221. 221 Avery Greene said at 11:16 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    My latest mock based on the prospect tracker list from BGN. I gave reasons for my picks, and tried to get needs but also value.

    Your score is: 4658 (GRADE: B-)

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 20: Byron Jones, CB/FS, Connecticut (B+)
    – I think they have a lot of interest in him and if he’s there I see them pulling the trigger.

    Round 2 Pick 20: Phillip Dorsett, WR, Miami (Fla.) (A)
    – For some reason both he and Agholor were there at this pick. I chose Dorsett for his speed, but Agholor is more likely a CK guy I think. I love speed, so in my mock that’s what we went for.

    Round 3 Pick 20: Adrian Amos, FS, Penn State (B)
    – Decent amount of interest in this guy, and we need a lot of help in the secondary.

    Round 4 Pick 14: Jeremiah Poutasi, OT/OG, Utah (D+)
    – I know this may be a little early, but Poole was off the board and I think they like this guy enough to go early on him.

    Round 5 Pick 9: Sean Hickey, OT, Syracuse (C)
    – I think they would like to get some depth at the OL position, so two in a row wouldn’t surprise me.

    Round 5 Pick 20: Jesse James, TE, Penn State (A+)
    – For value, I thought this was a good pick. Maybe we find Celek’s replacement.

    Round 6 Pick 20: Travis Raciti, DT, San Jose State (F)
    – He’s got the size measurables and I think he’s a film junkie. Sounds like a CK guy that they can have as a project.

    Round 7 Pick 20: Brian Blechen, SS, Utah (D+)
    – Another guy that could be a project and that they’ve shown some interest in. Plus, I couldn’t find any other names that they had interest in that fit the size measurables.

  222. 222 GEAGLE said at 11:26 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    get Jesse James in round 5, and im busting out the Johnny Walker blue…perfect future replacement for Celek, although Travis Kelce is my dream..

  223. 223 Avery Greene said at 11:27 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Andy love’s himself some tight ends. Oh wait, that didn’t come out right. Andy loves that position…

    I give up.

  224. 224 the DONALD said at 11:50 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Has the CHIPOWITZ shown much interest in any first rounds besides Byron Jones maybe 1 or two other guys..???

    Seems to add up to a MM trade… for better or worse.. the Chipowitz needs a franchise QB..

  225. 225 RC5000 said at 11:58 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Meh I take it they may not exactly be as high on Jones as we think. Sometimes they look at guys more because they have questions.

  226. 226 the DONALD said at 12:29 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    im more saying CHIPOWITZ’s lack of checking out a ton for 1st round type guys is a telling sign that they have a few they want and will take one of them IF they dont get their man Marcus Mariota…

    implying that they feel strongly they can get MM bc of their lack of interest in the obvious 1st rounders…

  227. 227 RC5000 said at 11:47 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    Jones is shaky at best at 20. I’m not jumping for joy as he is Jenkins type but it’s possible. I don’t really think he’s a great CB in our system. We saw how Fletcher did. Couldn’t be an island CB.

    Don’t like 3rd rd pick. Amos is a late round pick. He just isn’t that good. The rest is pretty good though he could take a QB in 6-7 over players who are probably UDFA’s.

  228. 228 BreakinAnklez said at 12:05 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    in what way are you comparing Jones with Bradley Fletchcer!?!?

  229. 229 RC5000 said at 12:21 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    I told you what way if he’s a CB here and Davis/Undlin use our CBs the same way.

    Jones will be 23 and has a learning curve at CB in our system.

  230. 230 BreakinAnklez said at 12:36 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Not really. You say he. Can’t be an island corner. Why do you think that. He can jam, he has recovery speed, agility, ball skills. He started 4 years at Uconn. 2 at S and 1.5 at CB.

    Fletcher started his Senior year at Iowa, that’s it. He was always a backup. He was a backup in STL, he’s never proved he could be a starter.

    I don’t see the similarities at all other than both 6’1, ~200 coming out of college.

  231. 231 RC5000 said at 1:35 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    The discussion was about him playing Fletcher’s role. First round CB needs to be great cover guy like Trufant at least.

    He is a developmental CB with his experience in their system. At his age, that isn’t anything to get excited about at 20.

    We really disagree on his proven ability to cover Dez, OBJ, etc. man to man all over the field on every down. It could happen but I’m not real comfortable.

    btw,If they think he can start at safety right away it could be good.

  232. 232 RC5000 said at 11:54 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    I’m big on Dorsett if they don’t get say Strong in 1st or move like they did last year. Not sure Dorsett will be there . Could be though.

  233. 233 Avery Greene said at 12:09 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    I love his speed. We have plenty of big receivers, so having one his size doesn’t kill the metrics.

  234. 234 HawaiianEagle said at 11:17 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    So – please don’t ban me for bringing up MM again – but if we were to draft him, that would be a #1 Marcus in two consecutive drafts…Not quite the statistician some of you are, wonder if that has ever happened before – anywhere…

  235. 235 Mac said at 12:15 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    It’s the best Marcus available strategy. We’ve covered it before, but it’s worth mentioning again…

  236. 236 ACViking said at 12:30 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    No NFL team has ever drafted a player whose name is Marcus in Rd 1 of consecutive drafts.

    Same with Zeke.

  237. 237 the DONALD said at 12:31 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    what about any other names.. consecutive drafts? for any NFL team.

  238. 238 ACViking said at 12:31 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Without looking, I’m betting “Willie” is a repeat somewhere.

  239. 239 Mac said at 12:32 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    And for what it’s worth, Mel Kiper employs the best Marcus available strategy every time he mocks Marcus Peters to us at 20.

  240. 240 GermanEagle said at 12:36 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    since I cannot send you a private message I am afraid I have to do it this way.

    Would you kindly ban GEAGLE from this discussion board.

    Thank you,

  241. 241 botto said at 12:50 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    come on don’t be so sensitive GE.
    banning is a very fascist way to go about things

  242. 242 MattE said at 12:51 PM on April 24th, 2015:


  243. 243 GermanEagle said at 12:53 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    I am not sensitive, mate. But he has crossed the line [of insult] so many times that it’s getting tiring.

  244. 244 botto said at 12:54 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    oh I didn’t read through everything

  245. 245 ACViking said at 12:55 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Ich bin ein Berliner.

    When the GermanEagle’s in distress . . . air drop.

  246. 246 GermanEagle said at 1:51 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    iPhone?! 🙂

  247. 247 Brian Pillion said at 1:37 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    getting tiring?

  248. 248 Bert's Bells said at 1:01 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Woah, don’t be dropping the F-bomb on our Teutonic pal!

  249. 249 mksp said at 2:03 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    I’ve used this analogy before, but the way I look at is this:

    Iggles Blitz is a really great bar. Great music, great drinks, great vibe. Everyone’s happy.

    Except there’s this one regular who’s constantly drunk and belligerent, staggering around yelling at everyone, spitting in their face and knocking drinks over.

    For whatever reason the owner of this establishment allows this guy back in, time after time, even though he ruins the bar for almost everyone else there (except for a handful of underage teenagers who think this guy is “awesome”).

    Bars throw people out because guys like this ruin them for your other customers. It’s bad business.

    So I disagree it fascist, it’s good business sense.

  250. 250 botto said at 2:31 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    haha that’s a good one.
    you’re right I only used fascist as a joke.
    but that is a good analogy.

  251. 251 Javi Echie said at 2:15 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Totally unnecessary man. If you don’t like what he has to say then minimize his comments in your feed or just don’t read them in general. How hard is that? Seems like you are too personally invested in an internet blog in which you are just another “person” reading and writing comments. Everybody has the right to voice there opinions and outlooks on the team so why attack one person for voicing what they feel.

  252. 252 GermanEagle said at 2:31 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    a) Everybody has the right to voice there opinions and outlooks on the team so b) why attack one person for voicing what they feel.

    Re a) Agreed. I am all for Freedom of Speech
    Re b) You need to ask GEAGLE.

    The big difference between igglesblitz and 99% of all other Eagles message boards [just look over at TATE] is that you can have reasonable discussions without getting personal and/or disrespectful.

    I also used to like the fact that igglesblitz didn’t really need a moderator. However in case of this particular person I just wish a little intervention sometimes.

  253. 253 Javi Echie said at 2:37 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    I hear ya on what you’re saying friend. I guess I look at it as the guy being passionate, although being passionate doesn’t mean attacking people. But my point is no need to block my boy Geags or anybody for that matter for what he/they post.

  254. 254 GermanEagle said at 2:44 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Your post is contradicting. Please tell me how calling someone a ‘bitch, cunt, whore’ is not to be meant attacking people….

  255. 255 laeagle said at 2:48 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    I don’t think that if GE says, can we do something about this person attacking everyone, that he’s all of a sudden the one doing the attacking. That’s Tea Party logic.

    Maybe a ban is too harsh, but it does get tiring seeing 20 posts one after the other, with half of them containing a bunch of drunk “dude-bro” cusses and insults. I’m tired of hearing about how much the media sucks and how everyone who disagrees with HWSNBN (he who shall not be named) is a moron. The occasional “suck my d” in there to spice it up. It’s juvenile.

    The main issue is that Disqus doesn’t make it easy to handle this at a technical level. Tommy shouldn’t have to be policing. We should either be able to do it individually, via “ignore” buttons (the minimize thing would work for normal posts, but not with the 200 that GEAGLE puts up each day). Or as a community we should be able to say, “HEY! STOP YOUR SHIT! IT’S BUGGING US!”

    I think that last is the best option. As a community, if one person is yelling at everyone else, being consistently insulting, and taking up way too much of the conversation, we should just tell them to stop. If they don’t want to, then maybe at that point we should consider options to remove them from the community.

  256. 256 GermanEagle said at 2:52 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Well put, sir.

  257. 257 Javi Echie said at 3:00 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    I totally get what you’re saying but at the same time people on here need to just move on and laugh it off or ignore it. I am just saying I understand that one persons posts can get very annoying and the fact that they post multiple times in a row is a little much so maybe somehow adding a way to limit how many post you can put up in a certain amount of time would be a good idea. Also folks on here need to learn to brush it off and move on the the next comment and if the man attacks you with insults just laugh it off don’t cry about it its just a comment on a blog. A lot of people on here seem to get so emotional over something that isn’t even that serious.

  258. 258 laeagle said at 3:30 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    I think that, again, you’re confusing who’s doing what. No one here is getting “emotional” about HWSNBN’s posts, they’re just a bit tired of them. And pointing that out isn’t attacking. The one who consistently attacks, and who is consistently getting emotional is HWSNBN.

  259. 259 mksp said at 4:07 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    The point is that he’s ruining this board, and some people would prefer to fight back for the sake of it than just “laugh it off.”

    He’s impossible to ignore. That’s the problem. That he’s a liar, a condescending asshole and a misogynistic bigot on top of it all makes it even worse.

    He also has a long history of acting this way, I feel like it’s mostly new posters defending him.

    He got banned from 24/7 for the same exact behavior.

  260. 260 BreakinAnklez said at 3:14 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    In no way am I defending G’s tirades, rants, or insults…but I’ve seen plenty of people on this board mock G and toss insults on a thread without provocation on that particular thread. Ignore a bully and it suddenly stops becoming amusing.

    If he bothers you that much, ignore his posts. I agree an ignore button would be better, but that’s not on TL.

  261. 261 laeagle said at 3:32 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    I fully agree, it’s not on Tommy. it’s on us to say, “hey, what you’re doing, it’s over the top. Tone it down a bit.” If, however, he refuses to do that, then Tommy might want to consider whipping out the banhammer.

  262. 262 Brian Pillion said at 7:47 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    I feel like the ‘tone it down a bit’ conversation has been going on for years. He just doesn’t really give a crap.

  263. 263 the DONALD said at 2:56 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    what would CHIPOWITZ do?? WWCD?

  264. 264 botto said at 3:05 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    he’d say “yes man”

  265. 265 Avery Greene said at 3:10 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    How about some homemade beer (Stone Smoked Porter ) battered fish and chips (probably red potatoes) to make this all better? I’m the black male Paula Dean in the kitchen, without the diabetes and gray hair…

  266. 266 GermanEagle said at 3:14 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Sounds yummy.

  267. 267 Mac said at 3:25 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Man, I had some amazing Fried Rockfish last weekend down at a joint in Havre De Grace MD. (and I hate fish generally) you’d be making me even more hungry if I hadn’t just run home an hour ago to make a grilled Jerk Chicken and Pineapple sandwich with sauteed onions on a toasted potato roll. My secret weapon though is Old Grumpy Mark’s Pearl Harbor Sauce for that and another pineapple marinaded chicken sandwich I make. Mmmm Let’s start a food blog.

  268. 268 Avery Greene said at 3:28 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Do you live near there? I moved outside of DC, but lived both north (DE) and South (Towson) of Havre De Grace. I’m all about the food.

    If you live anywhere near DC, my buddy and I on non-national games (he has DirectTV) cook some nice meals on game day.

  269. 269 Mac said at 3:34 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    I’m actually up in S Central PA… so it took me about an hour and a half to get down there for the day. The food was great, but I wasn’t as impressed with the town as I expected to be. Love the bay though.

  270. 270 Avery Greene said at 3:36 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    I live about 15 minutes from Annapolis (and the same from FedEx Field). That is the place to go for the bay. I’m also about 25 from the Bay Bridge, so Queen Anne’s County isn’t that far either.

  271. 271 Mac said at 3:42 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    I’ll have to keep that in mind the next time I get to take a day-trip. Thanks for the advice! If you ever get up into Amish country in Lancaster do yourself a favor and check out Rachel’s Creperie, They’ll put just about anything in a crepe (within reason) and it’s in downtown Lancaster, which is a pretty nice place to visit.

  272. 272 ACViking said at 12:51 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Re: 1st Rd “Name Game” Challenge

    So HawaiianEagle started this, with the Marcus-2014 / Marcus-2015 in Rd 1 scenario. Back to back “Marcus.”

    Last time the Eagles used “consecutive” 1st Rd picks on players with the same first name?

    How ’bout this . . .

    1973: Jerry Sisemore, OT – UTexas
    1979: Jerry Robinson, OLB – UCLA.

    In between, the Eagles didn’t have a 1st Rd pick because former HC Mike McCormack traded: 2 of them for QB Roman Gabriel (who started 1.5 years); 2 for MLB Bill Bergey (best MLB not in HOF); and 1 for QB Mike Boryla, right after the Bengals selected him the the 4th Rd . . . OMFG!!!

    Only the Eagles could have this kind of history!!!

    Note: In Rd 1 of the 1982-1983 drafts, the Birds selected WR Mike Quick and then FB Michael Haddix the next year.

    If we’re going by birth certificates, these guys would be the last “Twins” — but I’m going with how the NFL listed them in its official draft records.

  273. 273 MattE said at 12:53 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Holy hell FB’s value has totally fallen off in recent years, et. al. Heath Evans.

  274. 274 MattE said at 12:53 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Mike Haddix: Last FB to be drafted in 1st Rd?

  275. 275 Bert's Bells said at 12:59 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    I was going to MIKE Alstott, but looked him up, he was a 2nd.

  276. 276 ACViking said at 12:59 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Michael Floyd, FSU: 49ers – 1994

  277. 277 Bert's Bells said at 1:00 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Makes sense. Walsh’s WCO was FB heavy.

  278. 278 truth be told said at 2:26 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    You mean William Floyd?

    “Bar None”!lol

    He was beastly.

  279. 279 ACViking said at 2:36 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Yes, indeed.


  280. 280 unhinged said at 2:10 PM on April 25th, 2015:

    A treasure trove of Eagle droppings.

  281. 281 the DONALD said at 1:02 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Id like to refer to the Eagles brain trust as CHIPOWITZ… huh..huh?? thoughts??

  282. 282 D3FB said at 1:25 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    You want that WITZ or WITZOUT?

  283. 283 Mac said at 2:41 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Brown or yellow mustard?

  284. 284 Greg Richards said at 1:03 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    WR Hakeem Nicks to sign with Titans.

  285. 285 ACViking said at 1:09 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Ok . . .

    That suggests the Titans may be all-in in 2015.

    So TN needs a young veteran QB.

  286. 286 Greg Richards said at 2:43 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Not really. I bet Nicks ends up getting around waht we paid Miles Austin.

  287. 287 Mac said at 3:01 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Your sarcasm might be broken, time to head to the doc for a checkup! 😉

  288. 288 ACViking said at 1:03 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Re: Eagles’ Notorious Record Drafting RBs

    1983: 1st Rd Pick Michael Haddix, RB – Mississippi State (8th overall)

    Haddix holds the record for the fewest average yards per carry — at 3.0 — for a player with at least 500 career carries.

    1970: 3rd Rd Pick Lee Bougess, RB – Louisville (59th overall)

    Bougess holds the record for the fewest average yards per carry — at 2.5 — for a player with at least 150 carries in a season

  289. 289 Bert's Bells said at 1:20 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    DUUUUCCCCE turned all that around.

  290. 290 BreakinAnklez said at 3:17 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Duce, Buck, Westy, Shady, and NATE ILLOA!!!!!

  291. 291 botto said at 1:58 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    now they are saying the MM trade could happen after the draft? how annoying is this going to be?
    the only way this all ends is if we just get him in the draft. I almost just want it to happen now just to be done with it all.
    its tiring

  292. 292 BreakinAnklez said at 1:59 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    I think that’s a SD/Tenn trade. Didn’t include us unless I saw something different

  293. 293 botto said at 2:02 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    yeah a report on BGN about the trade being maybe even weeks after the draft with us, Cleveland tenn. san diego, the giants, cinci, the broncos, Atlanta, dallas, and the Vikings.
    that’s a 10 team trade where get MM but have no one left to even snap him the ball.

  294. 294 BreakinAnklez said at 3:32 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Just doesn’t make sense after the draft unless it’s Rivers for MM. What incentive would SD have?

  295. 295 anon said at 2:04 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    how would that happen wouldn’t they Tenn have to eat all that MM guaranteed $?

  296. 296 Alistair Middlemiss said at 2:08 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    They won’t have signed him to a contract yet. you would be trading the rights to Mariota not the contract.

    So until they sign him to a deal (and they don’t need to until TC) they can trade him easily till that point. After that he will probably be a Titan for at least 2 years before he is reasonably tradable.

  297. 297 anon said at 2:23 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    got it. So you’re saying eagles still could have got an injured ODB before training camp?

  298. 298 ACViking said at 3:04 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    After the draft?

    Teams hold rookie mini-camps during one of the first two weekends after the NFL Draft — which is the earliest they can be held (I believe).

    Doesn’t leave much time

  299. 299 botto said at 3:12 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    we are talking chip Kelly here.
    this will be done in nano seconds, no wasting time with handshakes or hellos, just sign here please.

  300. 300 ACViking said at 3:14 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    I was thinking about the non-unconventional NFL folks

  301. 301 botto said at 3:20 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    slow pokes

  302. 302 NinjaP said at 3:39 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Wouldnt that hurt their position? I mean at that point they are trading Mariota a not that great QB prospect instead of the
    #2 overall pick.

  303. 303 Avery Greene said at 3:41 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    That would be my htought as well

  304. 304 Alistair Middlemiss said at 2:05 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    On the basis of the rumour that the Titans may draft Mariota and then trade after the draft lets talk about another long linked Duck:

    Dion Jordan.

    Miami have been doing their predraft press, and they have not exactly been supportive of Dion. He has not shown up for team work outs yet this year, has been suspended for both recreational and performance enhancing drugs and has had next to 0 impact on the field.

    Think his stock is very low at this stage and i wonder if the Eagles have any interest at all and if they did the price – a late round pick seems very cheap for his talent and the situation in the Eagles locker room should be one where they can help turn him around.

  305. 305 Javi Echie said at 2:11 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    I believe Miami would still be on the hook for too much dead money if they trade him this year. I do believe they are open to trading him but I think a more realistic trade would happen next year so they wouldn’t have to eat money.

  306. 306 Alistair Middlemiss said at 2:19 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Well it is only a $1mil cap loss this year if they trade him today, and if they do it post June 1st then it is $2.3m cap saving this year.

    If they are wanting to move on they can – they have the cap space to do so, just is a question of what price they are willing to trade him at.

  307. 307 Javi Echie said at 2:22 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Oh ok its not as bad as I originally thought then, thank you for the specifics. I agree they should move him then, I feel possibly a 3rd rounder would seem right to the team trading for him but for some reason I feel Miami would be asking for more.

  308. 308 ACViking said at 3:16 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Miami takes about a $5.25 million cap hit by keeping Jordan in 2015.

    Miami takes about a $6.5 million cap hit if Jordan’s traded BEFORE 6/1.

    Only way Miami trades him is after 6/1, seems to me.

  309. 309 BreakinAnklez said at 3:17 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    I can hear the post 6/1 Jordan for Mathis rumors starting soon….

  310. 310 ACViking said at 3:19 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    just about a dollar-for-dollar cap swap, I think.

  311. 311 BreakinAnklez said at 3:27 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    I wouldn’t be shocked unfortunately…

  312. 312 anon said at 3:45 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Mathis gets an auto-pay bump working in Fla. not the worst thing.

  313. 313 Javi Echie said at 3:19 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Too late, I’ve already seen those post floated around.

  314. 314 unhinged said at 4:20 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    His “talent” seems to be the 64,000-dollar question. Miami got him to be a bookend to Wake, who is an awesome pass rusher, and he hasn’t been able to get on the field much. His weight has ballooned to 300lbs, which makes his play in space another question. If we take EM at his word, the three-prong markers for Jordan are a plus on size, and 2 HUGE question marks on ability and character. After all that, I would bet that Chip would not like his contract. He recently has divested himself of expensive star players, and now he’d have to overpay a guy purely on his potential.

  315. 315 Avery Greene said at 3:13 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    I thought a couple months ago the Titans were happy with Mettenberger. Why the change? And more importantly, why does he look like Ashton Kutcher?


  316. 316 Avery Greene said at 3:14 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    For ref, this is Mettenberger…


  317. 317 anon said at 3:15 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Poor man’s tom brady.

  318. 318 Avery Greene said at 3:17 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Yeah, if he lets the hair grow out a bit more he could duo up with Brady. They could be in the Monkees.


  319. 319 ACViking said at 3:18 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Hey, hey, we’re the Mariotas.

    You never know where we’ll be found.

    So you better get ready . . .

    We may be comin’ to your town.

  320. 320 Guest said at 3:16 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    looks just like him.. better tweet this at Kutcher let him know haha.

  321. 321 Avery Greene said at 3:17 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    LOL – this is a picture of Kutcher I found. But far away it does look like Mettenberger!

  322. 322 GEAGLE said at 3:26 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Bad news: they found a stress fracture in the foot of blitz favorite TJ Clemmings, tho it could cause him to fall a bit so it could be good news depending on how willing u are to overlook a stress fracture in a 300lb mans foot, historically 300lbs is the kiss of death with stress fractures, but the kid doesn’t feel pain, he didn’t even know til a team found it when checking him out

  323. 323 Alistair Middlemiss said at 3:28 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    You never do with those stress fractures at the early stage. He will pretty much need to redshirt his rookie year. May be a fantastic value in R2 now.

  324. 324 GEAGLE said at 3:46 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Not clear yet if he will have surgery. I’m basketball studies suggest the centers and big men who couldnt overcome The stress fractures are the ones who weigh 300lbs. Sixers think a big part about Embiid getting over the navicular fracture and having a healthy career is keeping his weight down to 275lbs, not letting him balloon to 300lb plus….. Curious to see how this effects his stock

  325. 325 anon said at 3:47 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    sucks for him, but TJ is a big boy, that’s also part of how he plays.

  326. 326 GEAGLE said at 3:51 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Yup, which makes me wonder how this will effect his stock. Personally I like his game, but I hate his personality for an OL, goofy, nerdy, silly.. When he talks I can’t help but to think of Shawn Andrews, Jonathan Martin,and OL who lacked toughness. tho he does display a little mean streak when he aus so hopefully it’s nothing,

  327. 327 Avery Greene said at 3:31 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Now they have to find a way to get an extra Rd. 2. To pull Agholor and Clemmings in the 2nd would be a steal.

  328. 328 Javi Echie said at 3:44 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Or a combo of Rowe, Agholor, and Clemmings. If we can somehow come away with 2 of those 3 I would be ecstatic.

  329. 329 GEAGLE said at 7:28 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    not interesting in Clemmings with that stress fracture in his foot. bad injury for a 300lb man…
    rather have Oklahoma Daryl williams

  330. 330 GEAGLE said at 7:24 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    sounding like Agholar is a lock to go round 1…. there is a reason all of the sudden why McShay and Kiper are starting to rate him at the #18th best prospect…. he was assumed to be a 2nd round pick for a while… but for them to jump him all the way up into the top 20, I assume he wont make it past round 1… doubt they both would have moved him that high without some credible info…

  331. 331 ACViking said at 3:50 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    To paraphrase that great judge of horse-flesh . . . Buddy Ryan:

    “Aw, hell, Clemmings is a medical reject.”

  332. 332 GEAGLE said at 3:38 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    One of the bleacher report guys claim that Bradford thinks he is getting traded..

    gargano says he asked his boy who works for the Eagles today and the answer he got was that “it’s going to be very very difficult, but that they are trying”
    If the Chargers want Mariota, I have a hard time envisioning how they Eagles can make a better offer them the Chargers who have a better QB and a higher pick to offer

  333. 333 RobNE said at 4:24 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    why do you keep posting things like “some reporter says this could maybe happen” when it’s the same rumor every day: trades might happen.

  334. 334 Javi Echie said at 5:08 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Bro stop posting so much, apparently people are getting sick of your post lol. I got a good amount of laughs at the people dedicating full post about you and ranting about how you should be banned lol.

  335. 335 GEAGLE said at 3:41 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Kind of a weird dynamic that on one hand everyone talks about chip as if he is the most unpredictable GM I’m the league so nothing he does will surprise anyone, yet on the other hand, we are convinced he is going to make the most obvious move of his entire NFL tenure, trading for his golden boy…

  336. 336 anon said at 3:44 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    we’re saying the crazy move is as probable as the standard move — which is why he’s crazy.

  337. 337 NinjaP said at 3:48 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Chip Kelly is a crazy moron. Jeff should have stuck with Howie and let Chip run back to college.

  338. 338 James said at 3:55 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    ooooooo burrrrrrrrn. You are so insightful with your analysis.

  339. 339 NinjaP said at 3:58 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Shouldn’t you be worried about tom brady being a racist? I mean because they said that on ESPN today and you aren’t smart enough to make your own opinions.

  340. 340 James said at 4:02 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Care to elaborate why you watch ESPN in the middle of day?

  341. 341 wee2424 said at 6:13 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    I think turning a team that went 8-8 then 4-12 into back to back 10-6 seasons in your first two NFL seasons isn’t being a moron. I also think if you are calling him a moron due to his off season moves then maybe you should wait untill the results. I think it’s moronic to judge something untill you see the results. As far as Howie, you do realise Howie really stepped in around 2011. Guess what Howies results are without Chip? 8-8 and 4-12. So are you seriously telling me that we are better with Howie and no Chip?

  342. 342 76mustang said at 3:48 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Interesting look at the most Pro Bowl Selections from Round 1 since 2000 draft.

    Top 3 – Jets with 27, Ravens with 26, Niners with 25

    Bottom 3 – Raiders with 4, Eagles with 5, Jags and Rams with 6


  343. 343 James said at 3:51 PM on April 24th, 2015:


  344. 344 Avery Greene said at 4:15 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Hmmm, I don’t mean to be “that guy” but I’m wondering about the lack of extra info. I see this and the Jets haven’t really been THAT good since 2000, nor the 49ers save the few years with Harbaugh.

    I’d like to know where all these guys were picked and if there’s a correlation to picking pro bowlers with higher picks. Also, in 14 years the Jets have had 27, which means they average about two 1st rounders a year (same with Ravens and 49ers).

    So does this mean they’ve hit pro bowlers with all their picks? Did they have more than 27 1st rounders to choose from? If it’s based on sheer numbers, are teams with less years of multiple picks penalized since they didn’t get the volume of the other teams?

    Just some things I noticed off the top of my head.

  345. 345 botto said at 4:16 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    the jets made the afc championship game when they had the one QB kid from USC.

  346. 346 76mustang said at 4:29 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Not saying it’s a be all end all, just an interesting measure of success in first round of draft these past 15 years.

  347. 347 Avery Greene said at 4:44 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    True dat.

  348. 348 A_T_G said at 5:03 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    I read it as 27 ProBowl selections, meaning a single player could rack up multiple selections if they were in the PB multiple years. So, it could very well be that they only picked 14 times.

  349. 349 76mustang said at 7:09 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Correct – the article alluded to the fact the Jets had 20 first round selections in that time frame.

  350. 350 anon said at 6:07 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    That’s crazy, but I did read something saying that we were one of the best at getting value out of late round picks

  351. 351 ACViking said at 3:54 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Belichick . . . you around?

    Near draft-eve, will you be posting any sort of stacked rankings that project how you think Kelly sees this draft based on the limited reliable intel you have?

    Would welcome that sort of projection.

  352. 352 GEAGLE said at 3:56 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    If the Eagles are willing to draft randy Gregory can they please trade a 7th or Polk for Justin Blackmon. Word is the Jags are moving on. Rather trade late round picks for potheads like Dion and Blackmon then to sign injury risks

  353. 353 botto said at 4:20 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    I can’t think of a better remedy on sunday nights for these guys after getting the crap knocked out of them then to relax at home with a spliff. someday the NFL will get it and let free men be free men, and not force them to use much more dangerous pain killers and alcohol.

  354. 354 GEAGLE said at 5:32 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    PREACH!!! I hear you. Its such a better alternative to so much. and with Vaporizers now, as a coach I would probably rather players take a few hits from the vaporizer at night then to put alcohol in their body, rather players take a few puffs instead of eating pain killers, rather players take a few puffs and go to sleep instead of putting sleeping pills in their body and wake up groggy the next day…if the NFL was clean of pot, maybe I would understand, but sooo many players smoke and get away with it, its absurd to crucify the few players they catch…half the players probably smoke, yet the NFL is busy screwing us out of special young talents like Josh Gordon over friggin pot, how ridiculous…
    … Im not even sure Blackmon was a pot head, what was his vice? wasnt it alcohol problems?

  355. 355 iceberg584 said at 5:43 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    I love how these discussions quickly reveal who uses illegal drugs. Not that I’m judging…I honestly don’t care. But users tend to exhibit a passionate advocacy whenever given the chance.

  356. 356 SuPaFrO said at 5:46 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Well i support smoking mj. But i don’t smoke. I do think it is a better alternative. Muscles will relax and have a BETTER chance of healing quicker. SCIENCE.

  357. 357 GEAGLE said at 10:39 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    And with vaporizers today, players can get the effects without even putting smoke in their lungs

  358. 358 wee2424 said at 6:01 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    In all honesty there is a difference between illegal and wrong at times. I don’t smoke anymore, but I 100% believe it is safer then alcohol and is a better alternative then alot of pain pills.

  359. 359 wee2424 said at 5:59 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Agree 100%. Look what happened to Favre and pain killers, and I’m sure hundreds of other NFL players that haven’t come out with it. I severely hurt my back playing football in 12th grade. They gave me Perk 30’s. I have no shame in saying I became addicted. Took me almost 2 grueling at times years to break off of it.

  360. 360 unhinged said at 4:48 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    If the Eagles are willing to draft Gregory, the world doesn’t know what CK does. I may be mistaken, but no visit, no workout and most likely only an obligatory visit to pro day.

  361. 361 76mustang said at 4:19 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Good read on all-22 coaches film study by Andy Benoit – touches on working with Cosell, Jaworski, and Millen.


    He goes on to offer his thoughts on Tebow, and this on the McCoy trade:

    3. In closely examining Dallas’s and Philadelphia’s running games this past weekend, I gained a new appreciation for the LeSean McCoy trade. Great as McCoy is, there were a lot of times he left yards on the field by dancing instead of hitting the point of attack. Kelly’s scheme is designed for a downhill runner. DeMarco Murray, who can’t wiggle but can finish on contact, is well-suited for this. With Ryan Mathews also in Philly, Murray won’t put up numbers as big as McCoy did. But Murray is the better fit for Kelly’s ground game.

  362. 362 botto said at 4:21 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    yay! I knew it was true!

  363. 363 GEAGLE said at 5:23 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Cossell claims that Ryan Mathews is more talented of a runner then Demarco… that may be true, but Mathews isnt the football player Demarco is. Not only can Mathews not stay healthy, but he has fumbling issues too late in his career…. Demarco is also said to be one of smartest RB in the NFL. supposedly really smart football player, you know chip appreciates that sort of thing..
    hate That we lost Polk, but with Mathews durability concerns I hope we do Carry 4 RB’s this year. I dont need them to draft one, at least sign a UDFA that is talented enough to make the roster..
    Wonder if they would spend a Late round pick on WR TY Montgomery, move him to RB and special teams fulltime? or let Trey burton take snaps as the #4 RB…. Demarco needs a RB to take some carries from him and Sproles will probably be needed in the passing game this year. If Ryan gets injured like he does every year, we will need a #4th runner to take some snaps from Marco..
    Guess it helps from roster versatility standpoint that Trey Burton is a ST BEAST, #3 TE who can also function as our emergency RB, even running to seal the game for us last year when we were running out the clock…
    wonder if we sign Trey Burtons little bigger brother as a UDFA

  364. 364 wee2424 said at 5:52 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    I think me and you spoke before regarding Mathews ability. I agree 100% what Cossell said. Mathews has more talent but Murray from a mistakes and smarts standpoint is a better football player. Depending on health I really think Mathews will impress alot of us this year. Let’s just hope our OL gets some good young talent.

  365. 365 anon said at 6:15 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Murray is a fumbler too, he’s also been injury prone as well

  366. 366 wee2424 said at 6:21 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Yes he is, but Mathews exceeds him in both categories. You also have to take into account the amount of carries to fumble. Murray had more carries then any other back in the league. So you would sort of expect him to have a higher amount of fumbles. Mathews injury history and fumble RATE is far worse then Murray’s

  367. 367 wee2424 said at 5:55 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Wonder why Cossell thinks he won’t put the same numbers up as McCoy. He has already had a better year then Shady ever has, and if he is a better fit then what would keep him from putting up better numbers? Besides injury of course.

  368. 368 FairOaks said at 6:15 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Because Ryan Mathews is also around to take a share of carries. We didn’t really have anyone who took many carries away from Shady, other than maybe Sproles last year and it wasn’t that many.

  369. 369 wee2424 said at 6:25 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Yeah, bad reading on my part. I quick read it and somehow missed the first part of that sentence that alluded to that.

  370. 370 botto said at 4:27 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    can anyone explain why we would want manziel in a trade with the browns for Bradford and picks?
    I don’t get it.
    how many crappy backups does one team need?

  371. 371 ACViking said at 4:30 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Any team dealing with the Browns may be required to take Manziel in a trade as a condition of doing the deal.

    Maybe the acquiring team tosses in a conditional pick, based on game-time, for the sake of appearances.

    Cleveland takes the cap hit. And the acquiring team can then cut Manziel with no consequences — avoiding any financial impact and keeping the “conditional” pick.

  372. 372 botto said at 4:32 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    wow this kid must feel pretty bad when a team says you have to take him or no deal…

  373. 373 ACViking said at 4:33 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    May be part of his recovery, unfortunately.

  374. 374 Bert's Bells said at 4:34 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Nah. With the ego that guy has, I doubt he’ll ever get it.

  375. 375 RobNE said at 4:58 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    can’t the Browns cut him and take the same hit? why force him into the trade?

  376. 376 ACViking said at 5:11 PM on April 24th, 2015:


    This line of discussion came up 2-3 weeks ago.

    You’re right, for sure, the Browns could cut JM loose.

    What I’d written before — and should have said here — is that the Browns trading Manziel in some sort of package deal would be strictly a face-saving move: “Look, we didn’t completely blow the 22nd pick in 2014.”

    That’s all I can come up with.

  377. 377 GermanEagle said at 4:32 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Chip Kelly’s vision is to dress 6 different QBs on gamedays. Which makes sense if the PAT rule will be amended. We’d have 6 different QBs then to convert the 2pt conversion after each TD to confuse the opponent.
    Chip is genius.

  378. 378 Javi Echie said at 5:18 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    I honestly wouldn’t put it past Chip to do this.

  379. 379 Mac said at 4:43 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    One I read was crazy enough to postulate:
    12 + 19 + Manziel = Bradford + 20

    If I’m Chip I’m doing that deal in about .05 seconds, Mariota or not.

  380. 380 Avery Greene said at 4:45 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    That’s a long time to think about it… 🙂

  381. 381 Bert's Bells said at 5:35 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    That would make Manziel equivalent to the Eagles giving next year’s first and this year’s fourth.

  382. 382 Greg Richards said at 5:36 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Umm, not really.

  383. 383 Bert's Bells said at 5:44 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Moving up a spot would be a fourth (maybe later, OK). #12 is definitely a 2016 first at least. Do you think that’s not enough? Does Bradford cover the difference?

    All I know is that scenario means Cleveland will give you picks to take Manziel.

  384. 384 Greg Richards said at 5:49 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    The way I read your post is that the trade Mac listed would be the equivalent of the Eagles giving up a next year’s 1st and this year’s 4th to get Manziel. It appears that you meant the opposite.

  385. 385 Bert's Bells said at 5:52 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Right. Bad syntax on my part.

  386. 386 the DONALD said at 4:59 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Chris Polk is a FA…

  387. 387 Greg Richards said at 5:05 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Rescinded his tender. Never made sense to pay him $1.5M+ as the 4th RB. Opens up a spot in the draft for a RB if the right guy slips and might make it more likely that a top UDFA RB signs here. They obviously let RFA play out to see if they could get a pick for him and with that not happening are now letting him go. Personally, I might have kept Polk and never signed Matthews. Still a chance I suppose Eagles may re-sign him for the 4th year minimum salary but he likely looks for a better opportunity elsewhere. Will be tough for him with the draft right around the corner.

  388. 388 iceberg584 said at 5:31 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    He showed enough short yardage ability the last two years (and had a kickoff return touchdown to boot) to stick somewhere. And I believe the Eagles would have done as you suggested and kept him in lieu of signing Mathews had the sequence of events played out differently in free agency. For all the knocks on Polk’s durability, the same charge can easily be leveraged on Mathews – who’s unquestionably had a more robust workload.

  389. 389 GEAGLE said at 7:19 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    I assume we would rather have Polk and Demarco, but chip couldnt ruin his name as a GM in the eyes of agents by rescinding the offer to Ryan Mathews at the last moment… I assume after paying Demarco, we would have rather kept Polk then to pay Mathews, but chip did the right thing…. you dont do bad business like that as soon as you come into power… unfortunate circumstance for Polk, and the eagles… hopefully Ryan stays healthy and stops fumbling

  390. 390 mksp said at 8:57 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    You’re legitimately delusional.

  391. 391 botto said at 5:10 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    too bad I like polk

  392. 392 GEAGLE said at 5:35 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    yeah its a real shame to lose him, especially for Ryan Mathews who is so soft and less durable then Polk.
    Polk returned kicks for us
    he ran well in short yardage
    Better pass catcher then given credit for
    Good blocker
    Even made good some good tackles covering kickoffs..

    I hate that we lost this kid without us ever seeing what he could look like getting like 17 carries in a game. Would have liked to see him play 1 game as an eagle but Shady was pretty durable
    hopefully he doesnt sign with a rival

  393. 393 Ark87 said at 5:52 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    He had a toughness about him when he ran that was missing around here for a while. We added some guys more direct than shady, but they’re still “1 cut” backs. Polk just goes where he’s told and hits it, often getting through any obstructions. That lack of hesitation behind a good line got him to the second level breaking arm tackles most chances he got. I Wish him the best (as long as he doesn’t join a rival), he’s a good kid!

    I could see a team like the Seahawks signing him because of his style of running and willingness to play special teams.

  394. 394 GEAGLE said at 6:57 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    completely agree… hopefully he goes somewhere in the AFC so i can root for him in peace

  395. 395 anon said at 6:03 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    yeah the ryan matthews $ is a waste, much rather have polk (even though he gets injured pretty often) or a rookie RB. Very glad we got Demarco, i don’t think the CK et al.liked the idea of having matthews as no. 1.

  396. 396 wee2424 said at 5:46 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    I like Polk but it makes sense. In other news T.J Clemmings has a stress fracture in his foot. Not to familiar with the injury, wonder if it will effect draft value.

  397. 397 anon said at 6:38 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    “Dion Jordan’s suspensions in 2014 voided the $5,485,522 of 2015/2016 guarantees in his contract, which makes it easier for Miami to cut him.”

    Same for Lane Johnson?

  398. 398 GEAGLE said at 7:16 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    “If someone choses not to be here, that’s their decision,” Tannenbaum said, ominously. Jordan has endured suspensions, ineffectiveness, and an inability to establish a meaningful role on the Dolphins’ defense since Jeff Ireland traded up to make Jordan the No. 3 overall pick in the 2013 draft. At this point, the Dolphins might be willing to trade Jordan for a late-round pick.-roto via armando seguardo dude..

  399. 399 ICDogg said at 7:50 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Do it, Howie!


  400. 400 Insomniac said at 6:57 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Polk is finally gone? Why am I not surprised. Murray/Mathews signings was writing on the wall for him despite the tender. He never had his role increased despite Shady struggling and Sproles taking his RZ touches pretty much showed that Chip didn’t trust him enough.

  401. 401 GEAGLE said at 7:02 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Mark Sanchez is probably getting yelled at by Chip right about now. Probably wont be happy with what Sanchez told the media today..
    when Sanchez was asked about Tebow he said ” we needed another arm for camp while Bradford recovers and not to worry about it is what I was told”..
    Local media finally got to intrerview Kiko and they are getting to know his awesome personality. media keeps talking about how “cool and chill he is, nothing bothers him”.. close, he is more of a “Caveman space Cadet” wired to seek and destroy on a football field type…

  402. 402 Javi Echie said at 7:26 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Read that Sanchez thing and laughed immediately thinking Chip isn’t going to like that. I really think Marky Mark doesn’t like Tebow at all.

    Kiko’s personality is that he’s all about football. Which is awesome.

  403. 403 GEAGLE said at 7:30 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    yeah he def hates Tebow… like herpes that he cant get rid of LOL
    Kiko is awesome. I would LOVE to stick him on the radio for an hour, he is such a space cadet its awesome.. Pettine said he used to tell kiko what to do and he would look in his eyes and cant tell if kiko heard a word he was saying, but then Kiko would go on the field and do everything he said…he is like a slow football savant, its awesome..dudes a beast, I have to see Kiko/Kendricks flying around behind Cox and Bennie…

  404. 404 botto said at 7:34 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    I heard Sanchez told Tebow, don’t touch the chicken fingers

  405. 405 GEAGLE said at 7:13 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    If we end up trading up for Marriota, I really hope its not to #2. Hopefully the titans overplay their hand ask too much and everyone calls their bluff in which they probably stick with Mettenburger and Draft Leonard Williams who is a great fit for Ray Hortons Defense… If Marriota can just get passed the titans, Eagles could end up paying less from GMs like the Raiders or Skins that are probably itching to trade back and get picks…… Im Not totally against the humble hawaiian, im against trading away the soul of my beloved defense to get him…. rather trade the next 3 drafts then to give up Cox or keep me from seeing Kiko/Kendricks/Meco

    Trade back opportunity:
    sitting at 20. if Gurley is off the board, starting around #23 there is a run of teams who are in some serious need for a RB, the lions, cardinals, cowboys, panthers, Ravens. If Gurley is off the board, there are like 5 RB needy teams with only 1 melvin Gordon, maybe a team like the Ravens want to jump the 4 teams before them to secure Melvin… Letting a team trade up to 20 for Melvin Gordon, would also allow us to keep Melvin Gordon away from the cowboys which i certainly wouldnt mind…

  406. 406 GermanEagle said at 7:50 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Dirk makes every German proud.

  407. 407 Greg Richards said at 7:59 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Let’s hear your 1 bold draft prediction. And no – Eagles trade up for Mariota is not a bold prediction. Every other person is calling that.

    Mine: Eagles don’t take a WR until day 3.

  408. 408 unhinged said at 8:02 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Eagles go offense round 1 and round 2. Does that qualify?

  409. 409 Greg Richards said at 8:03 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Seeing as I don’t think there’s any chance that happens, definitely!

  410. 410 GEAGLE said at 9:11 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    i dont think thats bold at all… Id call that LIKELY.
    Defense is in place with the exception of a starting safety that we may not love the players in the top 2 rounds.. and I would say after investing in the defense, if chip doesnt trade away kendricks, Cox or Curry that the Offense needs more help then the defense, and Im a defensive guy…. I could easily see the eagles go OL and WR with the first two picks.. or OL and OL..
    unless the eagles draft Bud Dupree or Byron Jones I dont see a defender they would take in round 1.,..

  411. 411 GEAGLE said at 9:08 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    I find that hard to believe.. when you Offer Maclin 10mil, probably means you think you need a WR. I also never heard a coach practically publically admit that we would draft a WR at a press conference,when chip said after we lost Maclin that basically we wouldnt target a Free agent WR because its a deep WR draft..
    as for your prediction, what is Chips definition of Deep Draft? Does he think you can get a really nice starting WR in round 3? or does that mean he thinks he can fill Maclins void in round 5?
    Assuming we cant wait til next year when the dead money allows us to cut Riley Cooper, and the fact that we offered 10 mil to a WR we missed out on, I find waiting til day 3 very hard to believe, but I guess thats the definition of a Bold prediction..

  412. 412 Greg Richards said at 9:28 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Both he and Marynowitz also said that WR was very deep and you could get a good one in the mid-rounds.

  413. 413 Insomniac said at 9:13 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    There’s going to be another trade up in the 2nd round for us this year. We’re taking another WR with that pick and it’s going to be Conley.

  414. 414 oreofestar said at 9:22 AM on April 25th, 2015:

    The Eagles make 3 trades during the draft and none of them are for Mariota

  415. 415 Greg Richards said at 8:04 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    As much as Chip values versatility, I’m surprised Cameron Erving isn’t getting more play as a potential Eagles’ 1st round pick.

  416. 416 unhinged said at 8:23 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    The fan interest and the media put the focus on the obvious needs, and from there analyze ad nauseam the top prospects. Center isn’t glaring need, and Erving is not thought of as day 1 talent. That being the case, if I’m Chip or ED and I want this guy, sleeping dogs will not be disturbed.

  417. 417 Greg Richards said at 9:27 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    Erving is rated as a late Rd 1 player by just about everyone.

  418. 418 GEAGLE said at 9:01 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    out of all the mock drafts I did, this is probably the closest I can get to pulling off my dream draft:


    1) Load up on DB talent

    2) OG/OT experience playing some uptempo in Oklohoma

    3) WR spped/deep threat

    3) RB /WR to replace Polk, Key ST player as a returnmen 6th round

    4) Pass rush

    5) future brent celek replacement


    cant ask for anything more, cant help but drool at the possibilities to grow this roster if we dont trade up for MM

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 22 (PITT): Byron Jones, CB/FS, Connecticut (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 20: Quinten Rollins, CB/FS, Miami (Ohio) (A-)
    Round 3 Pick 20: Sammie Coates, WR, Auburn (A+)
    Round 3 Pick 23 (PITT): Daryl Williams, OT, Oklahoma (A-)
    Round 4 Pick 14: Ibraheim Campbell, SS, Northwestern (A)
    Round 4 Pick 22 (PITT): Jesse James, TE, Penn State (A)
    Round 5 Pick 9: Chris Conley, WR, Georgia (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 20: Markus Golden, OLB/DE, Missouri (A-)
    Round 6 Pick 20: Ty Montgomery, WR/RB, Stanford (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 20: Jarvis Harrison, OG, Texas A&M (C)

  419. 419 phillychuck said at 10:50 PM on April 24th, 2015:

    That would indeed be a dream draft. Pitt, however, as usual in this game, paid way too much to trade up.

  420. 420 GEAGLE said at 9:06 AM on April 25th, 2015:

    i got a late 3rd round pick for trading back in round 1, pretty standard price