More Eagles Draft Talk

Posted: April 4th, 2015 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 123 Comments »

Before we get into draft stuff, a couple of things. Many of you want a podcast or at least a podcast update. We tried to record a show each of the past 2 weeks, but there were last minute issues that came up. I promise you we will do everything possible to put out a show this week. Feel free to blame Jimmy Bama since everything bad is always his fault.

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BGN had an interesting piece the other day. I’m not familiar with Matt Harkenreader, but he wrote a column about Chip Kelly and how he might look at things from a numerical standpoint, and in a slightly different way than you might think. The piece isn’t about analytics, but rather an engineering outlook on team building.

I don’t agree with all of his thoughts, but it is an enjoyable piece with some interesting ideas.

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The Eagles were at Maryland’s Pro Day. They were checking out ILB Yannick Cudjoe-Virgil.

Cudjoe-Virgil ran the 40-yard dash in 4.5 to 4.6 seconds, according to NFL scouts.

The 6-foot-2, 244-pound Towson High graduate also bench pressed 225 pounds 27 times. He had a 4.25 short shuttle, a 7.2 three-cone drill and a 9-10 broad jump before 30 NFL teams. That included the presence of New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick and Patriots director of player personnel Nick Caserio.

“I had a pretty good day,” said Cudjoe-Virgil, who wasn’t able to work out at the NFL scouting combine in February due to a knee injury. “I’m excited. I feel like I did well. I’m just trying to get more opportunities.

“It was definitely a big crowd, more than I even expected. It was definitely a good day for a lot of us trying to make a name for ourselves at the next level.”

Following the workout, Cudjoe-Virgil did board work for the Philadelphia Eagles and San Diego Chargers.

YCV, as I’ll affectionately call him here, is a late round or UDFA target. The Eagles are being extremely thorough with their research on ILB prospects. They are talking to Top 50 prospects and guys that won’t be picked. It is really going to be interesting to see who they do pick or sign. It will also be interesting down the road when we hear who they really wanted but missed out on (should that happen).

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One of my favorite CBs in the draft is PJ Williams from Florida State. He’s tough, physical and very talented. And apparently very, very dumb. He got a DUI this week.

He was driving the rental car on a suspended license, according to court records.

Williams, 21, stopped during a green light at the intersection of Dewey and Tennessee Streets before turning onto Tennessee Street.

He swerved over the center line several times and the outside line nearly hitting the curb before he was stopped, court records show.

The FSUPD officer noticed Williams’ eyes were red and watery and he spoke with slurred speech, according to court records.

He told officers he was coming from local bar Recess. His stance swayed and he braced against the door of the vehicle when officers asked him to exit.

He refused a field sobriety test and to give a breath sample at the Leon County Jail.

Williams told police he played football for FSU and he “just wanted to go home,” before being transported to the jail, the arrest report states.

He’s already got a suspended license. Then he drives drunk. Then he tries the old “Do you know who I am? I just want to go home” trick.

Does this sound like a Chip Kelly guy? I’m kinda leaning a bit toward no.

There is no way he goes in the 1st round to any team.  Someone will take a chance on him, probably in the 3rd round. There just aren’t enough good cover corners. Some team will be willing to roll the dice. If you had a veteran secondary that could help the young guy, that might be the best situation. Clearly the Eagles don’t fit that description.

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The Eagles are checking out QB Cody Fajardo from Nevada. Tim McManus has the details.

The former Nevada quarterback  has had one private workout to this point, he said, and that was with Eagles QB coach Ryan Day.

“I felt that he was pretty interested,” Fajardo said in a phone conversation with Birds 24/7. “We had a great lunch together and he asked me some typical questions and then some off-the-wall questions. It was definitely a good time. I got to learn a little bit of the system in the private workout, what types of routes they run and how they do their play-action, so it was kind of an inside look at what the Eagles do.

“He said I threw the ball really well.”

I can’t say I’m a big fan of his. I do need to watch some older games to make sure I get more of a complete picture. Fajardo is a good athlete and he’s got a lot of experience. I’m sure Kelly would enjoy having a mobile QB to work with.

I’ll watch more of him and write up what I see.

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123 Comments on “More Eagles Draft Talk”

  1. 1 EagleNebula said at 8:04 PM on April 4th, 2015:

    Seeing as everything bad is Jimmy’s fault, he should be forced to take shots throughout the podcast. After all, shots did lead to an entertaining night of his Twitter rants.

  2. 2 Christian Fizia said at 3:27 PM on April 7th, 2015:

    Drinking shots with Jimmy Bama is on my to do list now.

  3. 3 GermanEagle said at 8:57 PM on April 4th, 2015:

    PJ DUI will go UNDRAFTED.

  4. 4 bdbd20 said at 9:06 PM on April 4th, 2015:

    No chance. If he were a RB or DT, I would agree with you.

    Premier positions will always get drafted. SEA and NE are licking their chops right now.

  5. 5 Mac said at 11:24 PM on April 4th, 2015:

    I’m thinking of a team that needs help at CB, isn’t afraid of major character flaws, and wears pants that look like moldy silver.

  6. 6 D3FB said at 1:31 AM on April 5th, 2015:

    Louichez Purifoy and Marcus Roberson disagree.

  7. 7 Mitchell said at 7:08 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    I think it is safe to safe Williams is substantially better than Purifoy. ThAts the only reason I think he still gets drafted somewhere.

  8. 8 D3FB said at 8:16 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    Oh without a doubt he’s more talented, but people saying he’s only going to drop half a round or a round, are a bit silly. He’s not Marcus Peters level of talent.

  9. 9 GEAGLE said at 8:26 AM on April 6th, 2015:

    didnt purifoy get arrested for selling drugs and then become a known confidential informant? lol i would hope he went undrafted
    ..
    My favorite was the seahawks drafting Tharold Simon after he got arrested the day before the draft and hit police with “do you know who I am?”

  10. 10 Mitchell said at 8:48 AM on April 6th, 2015:

    I’m not really sure what Purifoy did. I just know he wasn’t the most savory charActer.

  11. 11 Mitchell said at 11:20 PM on April 4th, 2015:

    Too good of a player to not get drafted.

  12. 12 Insomniac said at 4:11 AM on April 5th, 2015:

    Sometimes tape doesn’t tell everything.

  13. 13 CrackSammich said at 5:51 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    Burfict went undrafted.

  14. 14 Javi Echie said at 12:06 AM on April 5th, 2015:

    Ridiculous statement. If that were the case Famous Jameis would go in the 7th or undrafted.

  15. 15 Richaud Jeaffreson said at 9:11 PM on April 4th, 2015:

    I am willing to take a shot on any QB that isn’t GJ Kinne or Matt Barkley.

  16. 16 ian_no_2 said at 9:22 PM on April 4th, 2015:

    I was relieved to read on your workout list that Kevin Johnson is coming to town. The national mocks are starting to equate 1. Philly needs a corner + 2. Chip wants a corner who’s at least 6’1″ = Chip will reach for a corner with at 3rd Round grade at 20 because he’s 6’1″. Mr. Johnson may show what a guy with an actual first round grade who’s an inch shorter can bring to the equation, and someone will be watching it.

    Sam I’m Not so I don’t know how much longer GJ Kinne can ride the practice squad, and Fajardo could be his replacement, perhaps competing for the #3 spot. He’s the one guy in this draft that fits the read option and he seems like a good guy, but I’m thinking 7th Round/ UDFA, 6th at most, which may pan out as no one else has worked him out.

    Don’t know if someone has done a study of how often teams picked guys they didn’t work out in each round, but this is what I’d guess the FO’s 1st round board looks like (not mine) including just the guys worked out:

    1. Mariota; 2. Brandon Scherff – the first two guys they’d possible trade up for if they got the right deal; 3. Shane Ray OLB who I don’t think they trade up for but maybe catch falling at 20; 4. TJ Clemmings OL; 5. Kevin Johnson CB; 6. Perriman, no idea where they’d rank him and not a can’t miss in my book, WR, 7. Bud Dupree OLB; 8. Owa Odighizuwa DE who’d likely give teams trouble that double team Cox; 9. Nelson Agholor WR.

  17. 17 D3FB said at 10:17 PM on April 4th, 2015:

    I don’t know where the 6’1 thing is coming from.

    Thurmond, Carrol, and Watkins are all 5’11”

    Shane Ray is not an OLB. People projecting him there on size measurables are lazy. He’s Jason Babin not Clay Matthews. He’s a wide 9 DE.

  18. 18 ian_no_2 said at 11:02 PM on April 4th, 2015:

    Don’t know where Ray would fit on the Iggles then… doesn’t make sense to pick him but he got a workout.

  19. 19 D3FB said at 1:25 AM on April 5th, 2015:

    Likely just kicking the tires, I don’t put any stock in them working him out.

    This is why he’s not an OLB:

    https://twitter.com/DarrenPage/status/578677699226394624

  20. 20 Christian Fizia said at 3:40 AM on April 6th, 2015:

    It simply comes from Megateon, Dez and ODB. You habe to counter your opponents. And 6’1 might be his ideal size. But if you can’t get it you habe to work with what you have?

  21. 21 Greg Richards said at 12:38 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    I’ve seen a lot of people project Ray to the Von Miller/Bruce Irvin LB role in a 4-3 under.

  22. 22 D3FB said at 8:10 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    Like I said below, that’s stupid. He doesn’t have that kind of athleticism.

    He’s meh in the run game. He’s a liability in space. But he’s a stud when allowed to pin his ears back and fly off the edge. He’s a wide 9 DE.

  23. 23 Greg Richards said at 10:36 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    It sucks for him if teams think he’s limited to that as the only teams that use the wide nine are the Lions and to some degree the Bengals and Bills.

  24. 24 D3FB said at 12:49 AM on April 6th, 2015:

    Ehhh I think some teams may think they can get him to be a base RDE for them eventually, if they can get him to at least be a functional run defender, but I honestly don’t see taking him anywhere before the mid 2nd, because he’s going to have to be a rotational player until he bulks up enough to handle the workload. I’ve been saying all offseason I don’t get why the big media guys keep having him so high, so there must be some team in the 8-15 range that likes him, or everyone is bullshitting each other about liking him and he’s going to free fall.

  25. 25 Anders said at 3:58 AM on April 6th, 2015:

    many teams like the Giants or Cowboys use wide 9 on passing downs. Even the Jags often use wide 9 looks

  26. 26 Dave said at 8:30 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    Carroll is 6′ 1″

  27. 27 D3FB said at 12:44 AM on April 6th, 2015:

    He hasn’t grown 2″ in his mid 20s.

    http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/nolan-carroll?id=494254

  28. 28 Mac said at 11:26 PM on April 4th, 2015:

    My vote is still Bryan Bennett for 7th/UDFA QB.

  29. 29 ian_no_2 said at 5:45 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    Fajardo is faster with a better arm. Kelly has an informed opinion about Bennett whatever that may be.

  30. 30 ian_no_2 said at 5:55 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    It would be interesting if someone documented who has played well in the NFL with a sub-50 completion percentage as a senior, especially after 350 ATTs as a junior

  31. 31 ian_no_2 said at 6:16 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    Kinne has I think one more year of PS eligibility, since he played one year in Arena and two on the PS. The amount of coaching he’s received in two years gives him an advantage to make the PS again, but there are strings attached to the 3rd PS year. He was a considered a good project out of school with some arm strength.

  32. 32 ian_no_2 said at 9:31 PM on April 4th, 2015:

    About that article, Chip has tweaked his strategy for the players he has and for what he’s up against but expect him to play more like his college game now that he can pick the players, as he’s gotten his NFL initiation from Shurmer, Davis, and two 10 win seasons. He got personnel control for reasons that related to the office politics that week, and used it to create a Chipesque hurryup offseason while the other GMs stared on. He’s figured out that the NFL and college gridiron can’t be reduced to a mathematical formula but may use ’em.

  33. 33 ian_no_2 said at 9:54 PM on April 4th, 2015:

    Also, if Kinne beat out Barkley, Fajardo makes the practice squad and has Indian blood, then all four Eagles QBs would have Indian blood: Bradford – Cherokee, Kinne – Creek, Sanchez – mestizo. I assume Barkley has as much Indian blood as Senator.. no political jokes!

  34. 34 A_T_G said at 6:12 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    I was going to make a comment about our red skinned QBs compared to the Redskin QBs, but everything i tried felt racist. What a disgraceful team name.

  35. 35 ian_no_2 said at 6:19 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    Bradford shouldn’t lack for motivation in Landover, but just in case..

  36. 36 Donald Kalinowski said at 10:26 PM on April 4th, 2015:

    I watching a bunch of PJ Williams videos the other day and was wondering why this guy wasn’t ranked higher than Jalen Collins.

    I’d still take him in the 3rd round if he was still there.

  37. 37 NinjaP said at 10:27 PM on April 4th, 2015:

    P.J. ran a 4.57 at the combine that dropped him on boards.

  38. 38 Mac said at 11:29 PM on April 4th, 2015:

    If we are engineering a team… then being mindful of Fletcher’s 4.44 combine 40 might be valuable.

  39. 39 D3FB said at 1:24 AM on April 5th, 2015:

    PJ is the better football player.

    Collins has the tape of a fringe top 100 but he’s very large and crazy athletic so people, especially in the mock community which is echo chamber heavy and light on film work.

    PJ has much better tape but fringe athleticism.

    I have a 3rd on Collins. I had a 2nd on PJ. Prior to this incident I was willing to overlook the leaving the scene incident as a kid being in a system where local PD bend over backwards to cover for them. After this incident, it’s a pattern.

    Fringe athleticism, multiple legal run ins, he’s off my board.

  40. 40 doublgee said at 11:40 PM on April 4th, 2015:

    Cody Fajardo is the cousin of a good friend of mine. He’s really gunning for him to take GJ’s spot…

  41. 41 ICDogg said at 1:19 AM on April 5th, 2015:

    Kinne do that?

  42. 42 MagsDaffyDilly said at 11:55 PM on April 4th, 2015:

    Instead of YCV, why not just Cujo? Simple, easy to remember and who knows, maybe he’s either scary good or scary bad. ;~)

  43. 43 TommyLawlor said at 11:59 PM on April 4th, 2015:

    If he comes up for discussion again, Cujo it is.

  44. 44 ICDogg said at 12:27 AM on April 5th, 2015:

    Does this sound like someone else we know?

    What makes Saban such a fantastic coach is that he recruits players who fit his system. One example that I read in The System: The Glory and Scandal of Big-Time College Football, is that Saban follows what he called “the blueprint” for success. According to the book, Andy Staples in Sports Illustrated, stated that the “blueprint targeted high school athletes who fit certain character/attitude/intelligence criteria and position-specific height/weight/speed guidelines tailored to Alabama’s offensive and defensive schemes. Cornerbacks, for example, should ideally be between six feet and six feet two inches and about 190 pounds and run a sub-4.5 forty-yard dash; linemen should stand no less than six feet two because as ( Kirby) Smart (defensive coordinator) drily noted, ‘big people beat up little people.’”

    They state that they might not be interested in guys who might be five-star players as seen by recruiting websites, if they don’t fit their parameters at Alabama. Smart states, “Sure there are exceptions to the rule, but we don’t want a team full of exceptions.”

  45. 45 Anders said at 5:26 AM on April 5th, 2015:

    Replace with Eagles and Kelly and is exact what he has said

  46. 46 Dominik said at 9:37 AM on April 5th, 2015:

    So, who stole this from whom?

  47. 47 Michael Winter Cho said at 11:12 AM on April 5th, 2015:

    Everyone wants big players who are good.

  48. 48 SteveH said at 11:52 AM on April 5th, 2015:

    Are you sure that wasn’t actually Chip Kelly saying that? Could be his words verbatim.

  49. 49 ICDogg said at 1:16 AM on April 5th, 2015:

    Opinions on DJ Humphries, anyone?

  50. 50 Insomniac said at 1:22 AM on April 5th, 2015:

    A ton of injuries. He’s very agile but I question his durability and functional strength. His technique isn’t the best (it’s correctable) but he’s the type of prospect that I would sit for a year so he can learn/get healthy.

  51. 51 T_S_O_P said at 4:38 AM on April 5th, 2015:

    5 years to the day since #5 was traded to Washington according to my Facebook stream. Apparently, I commented on it then.

  52. 52 T_S_O_P said at 4:40 AM on April 5th, 2015:

    P J Williams sounds like the perfect Cincinnati Bengals target.

  53. 53 Tumtum said at 9:21 AM on April 5th, 2015:

    Happy Easter to the best…and only online Eagles community worth being a part of.

  54. 54 Dominik said at 9:33 AM on April 5th, 2015:

    Re: Pre-Draft visits/workouts

    http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/60980333.jpg

    I can’t say how much I hate this. Let’s hope there is at least some value for Kendricks in return. Personally, I don’t even like a 2nd rounder. Let’s hope there isn’t a 3rd or 4th rounder waiting.

    And all this while we’re barely looking at Safeties. How is that possible? I can only imagine we’ll try to convert a Corner there. They can’t do nothing about this position, can they?

  55. 55 nickross23 said at 10:31 AM on April 5th, 2015:

    First off just would like to extend a Happy Easter to everyone. I haven’t been able to follow with these posts like I have in the past, and I know there was a safety topic the other day. Idk if anyone brought up the Corner from Miami OH Quinton Rollins as a potential S target option. From what I’ve seen on tape of him I was blown away that he hasn’t played football since HS. Didn’t run all that well at the combine so I read teams like him as a cover 2 corner or playing the traditional free safety.. Thoughts?

  56. 56 Greg Richards said at 11:17 AM on April 5th, 2015:

    Easter Mock Draft:

    TRADE: Eagles trade 1-20 to DEN for 1-28, 3-92, 5-164, 2016 4th
    TRADE: Eagles trade 2-52, CB Brandon Boykin to MIA for 2-47, 2016 5th

    1-28: Byron Jones, 6-1, 199, CB, Connecticut
    2-47: Nelson Agholor, 6-0, 198, WR, Southern Cal
    3-84: Ali Marpet, 6-4, 307, G/C, Hobart & William Smith
    3-92: Eric Rowe, 6-1, 205, S/CB, Utah
    4-113: Henry Anderson, 6-6, 294, DE, Stanford
    5-145: Mitch Morse, 6-5, 305, G/T, Missouri
    5-156: Kyle Emanuel, 6-3, 255, OLB, North Dakota State
    5-164: Jake Ryan, 6-3, 238, ILB, Michigan
    6-196: Justin Coleman, 5-11, 185, CB, Tennessee
    7-237: Austin Hill, 6-2, 214, WR, Arizona

    UDFA: Randall Telfer, TE, Southern Cal
    UDFA: Cody Fajardo, QB, Nevada
    UDFA: James Castleman, DT, Oklahoma State
    UDFA: Edmond Robinson, OLB, Newberry
    UDFA: Damian Parms, S, Florida Atlantic

  57. 57 Alistair Middlemiss said at 12:27 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    This is a remarkably specific mock – hope you are from the future as i would be ecstatic with that as an outcome.

  58. 58 James said at 1:07 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    This would be my dream draft too. Jones, Rowe are perfect fits in our secondary. Only thing I would change is replacing Henry Anderson with K. Bell/C. Conley

  59. 59 Greg Richards said at 2:23 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    Conley and Bell were definitely considerations – Conley in the 4th and Bell with one of the 5ths.

  60. 60 76mustang said at 1:09 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    Really plausible scenario – don’t feel the value is equal on the Boykin trade, 50 pt. difference moving from 52 to 47 which translates to pick 122 (26th in 4th round not counting compensatory picks).

    Also, feel like Marpet, Rowe, and Anderson are valued 1/2 to 1 round grade higher – might be able to land one of them, possibly 2, but to get all three would be pretty fortunate.

    Great job though, would be very happy with this outcome if were to occur.

  61. 61 Greg Richards said at 2:20 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    I feel the trade value chart there doesn’t reflect reality in this case. We moved up 12 spots last year with pick 122. I think a move from 52 to 47 is more likely to cost a 5th round pick. We also received a 2016 5th which dependent on which trade chart you look at is roughly equivalent to a 2015 6th. So, a 5th and 6th for Boykin. That might be a tad overly optimistic but from conversing with Dolphins fans most of them would approve that compensation.

  62. 62 Addison Abdo said at 11:24 AM on April 5th, 2015:

    Any chance the Eagles were also at Maryland’s Pro Day to watch WR Stefon Diggs?

  63. 63 SteveH said at 11:29 AM on April 5th, 2015:

    Hey Tommy, you guys ever thought of doing an Eagles fan Q&A during the podcast? Or maybe do a live show with questions over twitter?

  64. 64 Donald Kalinowski said at 3:19 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    I don’t really like the idea of trading Kendricks for a 2nd round pick. We took him with the 46th overall pick in the draft 3 years ago and since then he’s played at a high level.

    He’s not even 25 and last year he had 83 tackles, 4 sacks, and 3 forced fumbles in just 12 games.

    I know fans have a tendency to overrate their own players but trading away a productive player at an important position who has been in our system for the past 3 years for a 2nd round pick seems extremely foolish. Especially when the guys who would replace him are coming off of major season ending injuries.

    To me it seems like the reasoning for moving on from Kendricks is salary related. I certainly don’t think Kendricks is one of the top players at his position, but like the Trotter situation from 13 years ago, saving an extra $2-3 million/year just doesn’t seem like worth trouble of going through a few years of uncertainty at a really important position.

  65. 65 SteveH said at 5:00 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    Kendricks has pro bowl potential, but that means bupkis if Chip doesn’t believe he has the right measureables.

    Same reason Boykin never got a shot on the outside. Maybe Boykin would have struggled, but it would be hard to believe he would be worse than Fletcher.

    I get the feeling Chip’s mind is pretty set in stone about this stuff.

  66. 66 GEAGLE said at 5:49 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    what will people say when round 3 of the draft ends and mykal is still an eagle?

  67. 67 Greg Richards said at 5:56 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    We’re only getting a 4th for Kendricks?! Damnit, Howie!

  68. 68 tball_man said at 6:55 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    I don’t think Kendricks has the instincts that is desired for that particular position. I recall a bunch of talk about him taking the next step in making the calls on his own last training camp. That’s is primarily why I think its not overwhelmingly surprising that he won’t get extended, nor possibly be on the squad after the draft

  69. 69 SteveH said at 5:57 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    Could happen, but then we’re left wondering why we kept Kendricks and paid Meco 3 million. I’d be willing to bet if he’s healthy our starting duo will be Meco and Alonso, with Kendricks riding the pine.

  70. 70 Greg Richards said at 5:59 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    I think when combined with what they paid Austin it is apparent that Kelly places a high premium on veteran leadership.

  71. 71 SteveH said at 5:59 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    3 Million dollars to be a locker room guy? I’m not so sure.

  72. 72 Greg Richards said at 6:00 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    There are scenarios where all 3 LBs can be on field at same time.

  73. 73 D3FB said at 8:12 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    The goalline…

  74. 74 GEAGLE said at 8:25 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    Not the worst thing to rotate guys on 1st and 2nd…Meco wont ever play on 3rd down again unless of injuries… I loved Meco and Barwin, but I don’t love when they play 96% of snaps for a defrnse that’on the field more then anyone. Even if they can handle it, I don’t like it

  75. 75 GEAGLE said at 8:24 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    No we aren’t. We kept Meco because chip values him in this locker room transition and respects him too much to throw 31yr old mufasa out on his ass mid rehab where NO ONE would sign him unless he get severely low balled. He helps this locker room transition and is hopefully healthy enough by week 6 in case Kiko or mykal have to miss a few games. For the 400th time chip talked about how ILB Seth was a main priority this offseason… We have it now, and some media hack won’t let this dumb city enjoy it with a fabricated baseless Rumor to the point where half the fanbase thinks one of our best young defenders is gone… Laughable

  76. 76 GEAGLE said at 8:27 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    I would respect the possibility if it came from a report, not a beat hack brainstorming how to trade for this silly rookie qb

  77. 77 GEAGLE said at 11:08 AM on April 6th, 2015:

    Im one of the few that defended meco since he arrived, and argued with everyone every single fucking year when they said it was his last year here, i even did it this offseason… but i doubt he ever again plays significant snaps as an eagle, unless he has to come in for an injured player mid season for a 3 game stretch…. but we’ll see….

  78. 78 Christopher Miller said at 6:55 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    Not much because nothing would surprise me with Chip. If he lets Desean walk for nothing who is to say in his mind Kendricks isn’t worth a fifth. One thing we are seeing this year is Chip does what Chip does in spite of what anyone else thinks. If I am any other GM I am throwing low ball offers to the Eagles for anyone not firmly locked down because who knows what he is willing to accept any more. For better or worse we are on the Chip roller coaster now and there is no exiting mid-ride.

  79. 79 GEAGLE said at 8:35 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    Lol “we were a different defense with mykal Kendricks on the field”… Do I need to go back to the quotes about how he is so well rounded, so good at blitzing, so good at covering, it’s almost a dilemma that you have to chose how to use him? Yeah yeah sounds like a player he doesn’t value… Actually I think he is one of the 4 most valued defenders on the team in chips eyes, but we will find out soon

  80. 80 Christopher Miller said at 9:18 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    You missed my point entirely. I am not saying he is not a good, well rounded player. I am not saying Chip does not like him. I am saying we all have to throw conventional wisdom out the window with Chip and there is no longer any point where I would say “phew, I can safely buy ‘s jersey now because no way would Chip let him go for less than this. The fact is Chip has his own value chart and I am sure we have not seen the last head scratching decision.

  81. 81 GEAGLE said at 11:07 AM on April 6th, 2015:

    i get it, but if we are going to use, anything is possible with chip at the end of every debate, what the fuck is the point of giving our opinions?

  82. 82 A_T_G said at 7:42 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    Oh no, not another guarantee that a player will be an Eagle. Haven’t we suffered through enough loses this off season?

  83. 83 Brian Pillion said at 12:25 AM on April 6th, 2015:

    Can we make this a wager? If Kendricks is still on the team after the draft I will happily apologize (since I quite like Kendricks) and take a 3 month hiatus from posting on Iggles Blitz. But if he IS dealt during the draft, then we all get a 3 month hiatus from the GEAGLE spambot?

  84. 84 GEAGLE said at 5:46 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    All this Kendrick talk because a media member included his name brain storming ways to trade for mariota?
    ..
    What else has happened to warrant this Kendrick talk? Lowered the salary of injured Meco to make it easier to keep him on our bench?
    ..
    All chip said was quote, we are a different team with mykal on the field, but he has to stay on the field, then he pointed out meco, Kiko, Kendricks all missed significant time last year, since then he lowered Meco salary making it even easier to keep all 3(Kiko and mykal are on cheap rookie deals)…
    ..
    Meco won’t even me ready in September, so I don’t even understand this.
    ..
    Nothing has happened for the media to brainwash us into reaching this conclusion… Now if we want to talk about worrying about us losing Mykal after the year when we decline to pay him, sounds much more plausible to me.
    ..
    We needed ILB depth, we got it… What’s the problem? Actually we don’t even really have depth because Meco wont be able to play in September if someyhing happens to mykal or Kiko…
    ..
    All this because a media member included mykals name in Mariota trade? Losing mykal for 31yr old Meco 10 months removed from serious injury? What?

  85. 85 Donald Kalinowski said at 9:06 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    Because he’s going to command top tier ILB salary, when the the Eagles don’t necessarily think he’s worth that much. Especially during a year where they have to re-sign Cox and might have to give Bradford a contract extension.

    He probably misses a lot of assignments that we don’t see when we watch the game.

  86. 86 BreakinAnklez said at 9:34 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    They don’t have to resign Cox, he has the 5th year option

  87. 87 GEAGLE said at 7:46 AM on April 6th, 2015:

    … kendricks is a rising star in THIS SCHEME!!! whether he is extended or not, my guess, will come down to whether he stays healthy this year. If he misses 4-5 games again, I doubt we pay him…thats the Question, his durabili9ty… not this bullshit about his height, his scheme fit, his this, his that… its only a question of durability I assume at least
    …
    keep letting a dumb beat reporter brainstorming, lead to months of daily speculation lol

  88. 88 Pennguino said at 7:02 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    As GEAGLE mentioned below, I think it was all the hype for MM. They only negatives I can see from Mychal are somewhat undersized, and has not progressed in the mental aspect for calling a defense. He has decent instincts the way he shoots holes and gets tackles for losses. I remember a team mate telling him to just shut up and play. He gets to amped and hyped up and was wrapped around stats.

    For those reasons I think Kelly brought in Kiko to replace Mufasa in calling the defense. Give him two years to acclimate and then Meco is gone. If they come to terms with Mychal.

  89. 89 GEAGLE said at 8:37 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    I would understand if all this nonsense came from a report, but all this because a media member included Kendricks in their mock scenario to trade from this clown QB? How can we empower a moron media hack like this?

  90. 90 Donald Kalinowski said at 10:08 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    They traded for Kiko Alonso, gave DeMeco a two year extension that goes past Kenrick’s contract, and have brought in an unusually high amount of ILB prospects. Seems like a lot more than smoke.

  91. 91 GEAGLE said at 7:55 AM on April 6th, 2015:

    laughable that you use Meco as an example of an “extension”, get real, we lowered his cap hit and he wont be ready by september… the meco contract points to keeing both Kiko and Mykal, not losing one…. his new contract made it easier to keep all 3…you dont get to use that as an example for why Kendricks is gone..
    ..
    High unusual # of ILBs? lol you mean due dilligence on a position we have no depth at? meco cant play in september, when kiko and mykal are coming off injuries and the next man up is Brad Jone or Acho, I would friggin HOPE we are looking at ILB;s/…
    ..
    think Mykals future is more in question after this year, then it is now… fortunately we get our answer in less then a month. if mykal wont be here this year he will be traded before the end of round 3, unless chip is some completely incompetant amauter which i doubt… you trade mykal for less then a 3rd, and you cant remain in power

  92. 92 GEAGLE said at 8:29 AM on April 6th, 2015:

    think we wont count on Meco to be ready to back up Mykal and Kiko september, so we will draft an ILB, and hope that he shows enough promise to allow us to move on from Mykal after this year if he misses another 4-5 games for what, the 3rd year in a row?
    ..
    mykal is a rising star and playmaker in this Defense, playing THIS scheme… if we move on from him I imagine it would be because we dont want to pay for a guy that misses 4 games every year…. think him staying on the field is very important this year
    ..
    I expect next year to be a quiet free agency just like we were in year 2 after being aggressive offseason #1 of chip era…
    So while people are clamoring to get value for losing Mykal, Boykin and Possibly Curry… if we draft their eventual replacements, let them leave in free agency and dont sign many free agents next year, we get nice compensatory picks in return.. so no need to unload them a year early to get value, if next year plans to be a quiet free agent market for us

  93. 93 GermanEagle said at 7:06 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/05/talk-in-tennessee-of-titans-making-a-run-at-rivers/

    Please make that happen so the Mariota to Eagles talk will finally die!

  94. 94 Bert's Bells said at 7:38 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    The AFC South is horrible but adding Rivers won’t help the Titans edge out the Colts. Would be a dumb move for a two-three year rental without a legitimate heir or much in the way of talent on the roster.

  95. 95 GermanEagle said at 8:09 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    Agreed. I really don’t care if this trade makes any sense to any team as long as we will keep all of our draft picks.

  96. 96 ICDogg said at 8:00 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    https://twitter.com/RobTornoe/status/584773665788661762

  97. 97 wee2424 said at 2:05 AM on April 6th, 2015:

    That’s too funny.

  98. 98 GermanEagle said at 8:15 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    In case you wondered who had won the McNabb trade exactly 5 Easters ago, here’s a funny take from someone on PFT:

    As far as I’m concerned, Washington won this trade. With the 2nd round pick the Redskins traded to Philadelphia, the Eagles selected Nate Allen.

    Washington only had to suffer through 1 year of McNabb. Eagles fans had to suffer through 5 years of Nate Allen.

    lol

  99. 99 wee2424 said at 8:27 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    Stupid. I don’t see how you can say either team truly benefited from the trade, but I think you can say it’s possible the Redskins lost due to the the loss of the potential of drafting a good player. Add the cap hit that Redskins also had to pay, and the crushed hopes of the FO and fans that thought he would turn them into a contender.

  100. 100 SteveH said at 9:37 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    I think it was a joke.

  101. 101 wee2424 said at 2:04 AM on April 6th, 2015:

    Ahhh maybe. I visit PFT alot because it is a good source for around the league news. Unfortunately alot of the commenters there are extremely short sighted and at times really uneducated when it comes to the sport. For that reason I don’t have a commenter name on that site because it would drive me nuts. I thank god for this site and the majority of the commenters on here. Here it is possible to have football educated discussions or debates.

  102. 102 GermanEagle said at 5:49 AM on April 6th, 2015:

    Oh boy….

  103. 103 wee2424 said at 9:25 AM on April 6th, 2015:

    ??

  104. 104 GermanEagle said at 2:27 PM on April 6th, 2015:

    You need to turn on your irony sensors more often, mate.

  105. 105 Donald Kalinowski said at 10:41 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    Washington won the trade. They flipped McNabb for a 6th rounder and drafted Alfred Morris. We got Nate Allen.

  106. 106 Greg Richards said at 10:45 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    We also got a 4th from them that we used the next year(after trading down) to draft Casey Matthews. In the trade down, we picked up a next year’s 4th which we used as part of the compensation to get DeMeco. Neither team has won anything since the trade, so neither team is a winner.

  107. 107 SteveH said at 10:50 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    Once the dust settled it basically comes down to whether you prefer Meco or Alfred Morris. I’ll call it a draw.

  108. 108 Patrick said at 11:57 PM on April 5th, 2015:

    Its interesting that Stefen Wisniewski is still a free agent, is it simply because he wants to get paid? I haven’t seen anything about his character or concerns about injuries. Having just turned 26, something must be wrong.

    It would be a guy I was interested in bringing in. Not only has he played pretty well in my opinion, but he should also be able to play both guard positions and of course center, he has the versatility we like. He might be a little too heavy for our system, but a couple of smoothie diets to go with a cheapish contract and he should be ready to close a major hole on our OL, by battling it out with Barbre + adding both youth and depth.

  109. 109 Joe Minx said at 12:03 AM on April 6th, 2015:

    There is an injury issue. I forget the specifics but that’s why he hasn’t signed yet.

  110. 110 Patrick said at 12:07 AM on April 6th, 2015:

    Oh yeah, a shoulder surgery according to a quick google search. Still, with our love for injured players, its still a guy I would love to bring in.

  111. 111 CrackSammich said at 9:00 AM on April 6th, 2015:

    I imagine there are some injuries that are bigger red flags than others. ACLs aren’t as serious as they once were, and the league perception to that hasn’t caught up to the reality. So we’re picking the value the other teams are dropping. Something like a chronic shoulder injury is different, expecially for an OL that has to use his shoulders extensively on every play every game.

  112. 112 wee2424 said at 2:07 AM on April 6th, 2015:

    Yeah I was wondering about this myself. Tommy or D3 or really anyone with good knowledge on this can you please address it. I honestly don’t know much about the guy at all, but I just figured he would be a player of interest for this team. While explaining why he is still on the market can someone also please explain what his game is like.

  113. 113 Christian Fizia said at 3:29 AM on April 6th, 2015:

    To kick him out Of the draft entitely is wrong. This is a young guy who made a stupid mistake. A really stupid one. But how many Of you guys habe done worse at this age?
    As long as there isn’t a history I would put it to rest.
    On the NFL level I will never understand this. How can you be this cheap and drive instead of using a cap or call the NFL (they have a service).

  114. 114 Anders said at 3:50 AM on April 6th, 2015:

    Problem is there is a history. He already have a hit and run while drunk during the season. That means in less than a year, he has had 2 incidents involving alcohol and driving, add that he is a limited athlete and he will drop to day 3 earliest

  115. 115 GEAGLE said at 7:44 AM on April 6th, 2015:

    a stupid mistake? this is a repeat offender. If you do some dumb shit like this when you are MONTHS away from being a millionaire, what are you going to be like when you have 10mil in your account?
    ..
    one serious mistake? Ok… when you already have a rap sheet, and you do this dumb shit a month away from hitting the lottery, you are a doinkey, and when a team drafts him anyway, bringing this idiot in the league and when he goes on to inevitably do some other moronic thing down the road, the franchise needs to be punished for bringing a known idiot into the league…
    …
    If I was a month away from hitting the lottery, I would work out 3 times a day, and hide under my bed the rest of the time from now til the draft, just to make sure nothing bad happens…. Cant wait a month to go outr and party?

  116. 116 Christian Fizia said at 2:07 AM on April 7th, 2015:

    As a single event it´s a stupid mistake. As a repeated offender, it´s a problem. And I just can repeat: Those guys beeing millionaires in the future won´t take away their immature self. They are young and if you compare yourself to the age of 20-24 you see some development as well.
    Driving drunk is really really stupid. You may change lifes for the worse because you injury others or yourself. It´s not worth it. Spend some bucks on a cap.
    But I wouldn´t go as fare as saying: He has character flaws by just looking at this incident. That´s all I wanted to say.

  117. 117 GEAGLE said at 3:24 PM on April 7th, 2015:

    Fair enough

  118. 118 anon said at 10:07 PM on April 10th, 2015:

    For lots of these kids it’s their only shot out of a bad situation, they’re broke it’s not like they can pay someone to wat h them though hopefully their boys who will be jock riding after the draft would be there

  119. 119 GEAGLE said at 8:19 AM on April 6th, 2015:

    wish the Eagles could fire Howie, and Hire Joe Banner and Sam Hinkie as a Front office Tandem.
    ..
    Joe Banner for the bad cop contract negotiating, you can bet your ass Miles Austins agent NEVER gets away with that 1mil Guaranteed if Banner were running the negotiations, and Give Hinkie two years to study the NFL and he would be a whiz at trades…. trade away whoever the hell you want,just get good appropriate value in return and hinkie would never trade away an asset if he wasnt getting the better deal in return.. buy Low, sell high, not a complicated concept… would love to have Sam running the trade negotiations and Banner doing the contracts, with chip and marynowitz running the player personnel department…
    ..
    never thought Id be wishing for dirty joe banner

  120. 120 GEAGLE said at 8:21 AM on April 6th, 2015:

    I like John Harbaugh, but he better shut his mouth taking cheap shots at chip.. leave that BITCH behavior for Bruce Aryians… only pussies talk shit thru subliminal trash talk… gonna run your mouth, be a man and say what you gotta say instead of speaking like some coward in code….

  121. 121 Birds4Life said at 9:56 AM on April 6th, 2015:

    I missed it. What did he say?

  122. 122 GEAGLE said at 11:05 AM on April 6th, 2015:

    that some organizations dont promote their sports science AS much as others…

  123. 123 Birds4Life said at 11:29 AM on April 6th, 2015:

    What a douche! Chip never promotes the sports science stuff. It’s the media that makes such a big deal about it. I’ll bet that Chip wishes no one knew we used sports science because that gives us an advantage over other teams.