Impact of Adversity

Posted: November 29th, 2015 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 348 Comments »

Chemistry, culture and character. These sound like simple concepts, but they aren’t. They can be incredibly powerful, but also very fragile, as we’re all finding out this year.

Chip has made culture a point of emphasis since taking over the Eagles. He got rid of players who he didn’t think were the right fit, no matter how talented. Kelly signed and drafted players that were high character guys. For two years, this worked well.

2015? Not so much.

Jimmy Bama recently wrote an interesting piece saying that Chip’s culture never really existed.

During those six years, Kelly’s culture initiatives were never really put to the test of losing. Now that it has, we’re seeing how the players have responded, and that response shows that a great culture foundation was never really there in the first place.

I don’t necessarily agree with Jimmy’s conclusion, but his point about culture not being truly tested is really interesting. I had never considered that angle. Chip was 46-7 at Oregon. There were small moments of adversity, but hardly anything overwhelming.

The Eagles started 1-3 back in 2013. They actually lost 3 straight after winning the opener. They were 3-5 at midseason. But that was different. Kelly was a new coach. Slow starts are different in that situation than what the Eagles are going through right now. That team was learning. This team was supposed to be contending.

Jimmy says the culture never existed. I don’t agree with that. I think it changed.


Nick Foles
Jeremy Maclin
Todd Herremans
Brad Smith
Trent Cole

There was more roster turnover than that, but those guys were leaders. Foles had serious limitations as a QB, but he was great in the locker room and on the sideline. He gave credit when things went right. He took the blame when things went wrong. He said all the right things.

Maclin was a high character guy and leader. He was also highly productive, which made him all the more important as a leader and locker room presence.

Herremans was a declining player, but was a leader on the OL.

Smith was a key leader on STs and a good influence on the young WRs.

Cole wasn’t the most vocal leader, but was a great influence on the other players. He was also ultra-competitive on the field and that effort was infectious.

Guys like Evan Mathis, Shady McCoy and Brandon Boykin were very good players. I don’t know that they were necessarily leaders though.

There was a lot of change from 2014 to 2015, despite what Kelly says. The Eagles changed at QB, RB, WR and 2 OL. Kelly added high character guys, but they were still outsiders. Some players can step right in and be a leader. Malcolm Jenkins is that type of player. Bradford and Murray aren’t. Young players like Josh Huff and Nelson Agholor are too busy trying to become reliable players to be leaders. None of the OL has replaced Herremans as a leader.

The defense has plenty of leadership in place. The problem with that group recently is strictly performance. There are some chemistry issues. You can’t have all those new faces in the back seven without having some mistakes. Complicating matters is that the Eagles have had a revolving door at ILB due to injuries.

This is the worst possible situation for Chip Kelly. He has a lot of new faces in the starting lineup. He is replacing key leaders. And the team is struggling on the field. Some key parts of the culture he built up in 2013 and 2014 are gone and no one is filling the void right now.

Part of the problem with this team is the weight of expectations. The team looked great in the summer and the preseason which built up a ton of hype. Byron Maxwell, DeMarco Murray and Sam Bradford are dealing with the expectations that costly investments bring. All 3 are getting big money and Bradford cost draft picks as well. That puts a ton of pressure on them.

Clearly this team has not handled pressure well. Those players have not handled pressure well.

All of this is now starting to affect Chip.

I heard that Chip was emotional after Thursday’s loss. That isn’t normal for him. Josh Huff told a good story about Chip being emotional once at Oregon (from an old piece by Sheil Kapadia…now I’m getting emotional).

Asked for his favorite memory of Kelly, Huff recalled a game against Stanford his sophomore year.

“It was halftime and he came in… it was a close battle and he came in and I’ve never seen him so fired up,” Huff said. “He came in, flipped the table over, he was cussing a little bit. It fired the whole team up. Eventually we went out there in the second half and did what we had to do, made plays and came out with a victory.”

Chip knew what buttons to push on that day.

This is a very different situation. We’ll see if emotion can help him get this team straightened out. That’s a card you can only play a few times. I guess Chip is going on the notion that desperate times call for desperate measures.

The Eagles weren’t responding to Chip’s standard mantra of taking things one game at a time. If they don’t respond to an emotional appeal, that may tell us that the team simply isn’t responding to Chip and that it might in fact be time for a change.

The Eagles play at the Patriots next Sunday. The Pats last home loss was the 2014 season finale, where Tom Brady only played part of the game and Gronk didn’t play at all. Before that, you have to go back to December 2012 when the Niners (in their Super Bowl season) beat them. Even if Chip pushes all the right buttons, winning next week isn’t likely. The key will be to see the Eagles play well, something we haven’t come close to seeing in the last 3 weeks.


Character doesn’t guarantee chemistry.

You can assemble a team of college graduates who haven’t been arrested and are active in the community. They can be the greatest guys in the world. That doesn’t mean those players will click.

Chemistry is a funny thing.

You need the right mix of personalities and skill-sets for things to work the right way. The problem is that there is no way to know when a unit or team will have good chemistry. You can make guesses and come up with logical plans, but the proof will be in the pudding.

I’m sure Kelly could explain to you how the 2015 Eagles should have good chemistry. He brought in the right kind of guys. Bradford and Murray were friends from college. Murray played for a division winner last year. So did Maxwell. Kiko Alonso and Walter Thurmond both played for Chip at Oregon so he felt strongly they would fit in well. And on and on.

But the 2015 Eagles do not have good chemistry. Something is off with this team. Can that be fixed at this point? Not likely, but you never know. Teams can change in a hurry. The 2008 Eagles woke up and got going starting on Thanksgiving night and went deep into the playoffs. While that sounds encouraging, most struggling teams stay in their rut.

Change is possible, it just isn’t likely.


After the Giants loss today, the Eagles are just one game out of first place in the NFC East. That’s the positive take on things. Here is the other perspective, as I put it on Twitter.


348 Comments on “Impact of Adversity”

  1. 1 Media Mike said at 5:05 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Speaking of being in 3rd place in our division:

    If we finish with the same place in our division as the Rams do in theirs; we’re going to London!

  2. 2 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 5:07 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Yay a 6 AM game to ruin the entire day

  3. 3 Media Mike said at 5:11 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    9:30 AM………and it will make the day epic! My friends and I have already sworn to do a large breakfast spread with the highlight being pork roll sandwiches.

  4. 4 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 5:14 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Pacific Time

  5. 5 Media Mike said at 5:18 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    What’s that?

  6. 6 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 5:22 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Football starts at 10AM and Ends at 8 at night instead of ending at 11

  7. 7 Media Mike said at 5:24 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    My 4:45 AM alarm life is very jealous!

  8. 8 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 5:31 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    I know my friend… I tried living on the East Coast for a bit… It was a struggle to get up the after watching SNF/MNF

  9. 9 Crus57 said at 9:28 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    I guess I better start saving. And practicing my booing, to give it that home field atmosphere

  10. 10 Cafone said at 5:15 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Maybe people are looking for deep answers when the reality might actually be quite simple: Chip Kelly replaced his offensive guards with backups, which isn’t helping his undersized center at all, and basically made his interior line too soft to run the ball, a deadly scenario when you are a running team.

    It’s not a stretch to say that all of the Eagles’ problems originate with a weak interior offensive line. They are a running team that can’t run the football.

  11. 11 myartz04 said at 5:31 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Easy to say he replaced them with backups. However, Herremans has been benched and Mathis is playing at ‘backup’ level. So it’s basically a wash. Still a 4-7 team with or without them. Assuming an OL heavy draft this year (hoping).

  12. 12 Iskar36 said at 9:19 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Two issues with this view. First, the fact that they have struggled elsewhere is not evidence that they would have struggled staying here. Mathis himself is proof of that. He was a journeyman before coming to Philly and then turned into a stud. Second, getting rid of Mathis and Herrmann os one thing. Replacing them is completely separate. We failed to replace them is the point.

  13. 13 cshav10 said at 3:41 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Did you see Mathis’s game winning block leading a sweep last night? Not sure how you can say he’s playing at back up level.

  14. 14 myartz04 said at 5:11 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    So he made a good block? Cool. Barbre also has made good blocks this year too. As a matter of fact, even the worst OL in the league who has played has even made a good block. I’m not sure what your point is? At this point in their careers Mathis and Barber are basically the same player. And one is a lot cheaper. We would still be 4-7 with Mathis.

  15. 15 cshav10 said at 12:37 AM on December 1st, 2015:

    He actually had a very strong game. They ran well off the left side all night long…and beat the Patriots. Mathis is the starting guard on a 9-2 team that is run first. My point? I wish he was still an Eagle, because the Birds played far better with him as part of the offensive line unit than they have without him.

  16. 16 kimsarah said at 1:34 AM on December 1st, 2015:

    Hoping indeed. How many decades have fans hoped for an OL heavy draft and never gotten one.

  17. 17 holeplug said at 9:09 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Its not hard to see why the offense is so bad. Bradford is one of the worst QBs this year statistically. Line is bad. Receivers are bottom 3 if not worst in the league and the 1 running back who fits this system gets 8 carries a game b/c GM Chip is an idiot and threw too much $ at an overrated back coming off an outlier year.

  18. 18 freewilly21055 said at 11:59 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    Exactly what I said in the summer when Herremans was let go and it looked like the Eagles and Mathis weren’t going to come to an agreement. Yes, I know Mathis and Herremans haven’t lit it up on their new teams but, hey, they’re new to those teams. Besides, when you’re swapping out your starting QB, RB and WR1 all at the same time, there’s a hell of a lot to be said for continuity on the OL with whoever you have, at least until the new skill players get used to playing together. I said it then and I’ll say it again now: blowing up the OL was the final straw that broke this camel’s back. A running team that can’t run can’t do anything, and that’s exactly what we’re seeing. I’m certainly no genius. Anybody with average knowledge of the game could see this coming – except Chip Kelly the wunderkind GM, apparently. The really, REALLY bad news is the Eagles didn’t draft any new offensive linemen the past two years, so there’s no obvious or affordable solution on the horizon. It could take two more years to fix this, and it will cost them big in the FA market at a time when they’re forced to go shopping for a starting QB. This team is in far deeper trouble than just being 4-7 in a weak division this year. Chip never thought of this as a rebuilding project and probably still doesn’t, but like it or not, that’s what he’s created.

  19. 19 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 5:19 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Antonio Brown isn’t human

  20. 20 Buge Halls said at 5:27 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Pretty sure our season doesn’t turn around next week! Here’s to hoping we hold them to “only” a 45 point lead! Can’t wait to see what Vegas has to say about the game – hint, bet the “over”!

  21. 21 Nick said at 5:37 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Tommy, isn’t it possible that Kelly has undermined the culture, not just by letting leaders go, but by letting superior players go (Jackson/Maclin/McCoy/Mathis) and either not replacing them or replacing them with inferior players? If I were on the team, the only “culture” I would see is a coach who believes in his scheme above all else and views players as interchangeable assets. Hard to create a positive, team-first culture with that mindset.

  22. 22 Buge Halls said at 7:48 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    When will some people learn that nobody “let” Maclin go? He got a ridiculous deal from Andy Reid that nobody else in their right mind would match!

  23. 23 ChoTime said at 8:30 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Nobody in their right mind would go into the season with our WR crew. The money that went into RB could have given Maclin ridulouser money, and it would have been worth it.

  24. 24 Media Mike said at 8:32 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    I’ve seen this team win 11 and 12 games with Stinkston and Trash at WR. I’m more irked about the line.

  25. 25 ChoTime said at 8:34 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    I hear you. But we had a QB at that time to pick up some slack.

  26. 26 Media Mike said at 8:35 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Also an area I’d address prior to WR.

  27. 27 Iskar36 said at 9:21 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    This is in fact false. We had the option of franchising Maclin last season. Many, including Tommy, strongly believed that was the way to go. Had we franchised him, he would still be here. We had an opportunity to keep him and we did let him go.

  28. 28 D3FB said at 5:45 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    Can’t franchise players on one year deals as Maclin was.

    Also it would have been $12.7 million.

  29. 29 Call Me Carlos the Dwarf said at 12:32 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    As opposed to the $13m we spent on Bradford?

    Oh, no! Whatever would we do?!

  30. 30 Buge Halls said at 6:08 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    You seriously think a) Maclin would have helped or b) was worth all that money? He had one pretty good year, oddly enough a contract year. Now he’s right back to his old mediocre self

  31. 31 Gary Barnes said at 9:50 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    And Maclin is having a good season in KC helping them win, pretty silly to go into a season where you are supposedly competing for a ring with one decent, 2 vet scrubs and 2 unproven talents at WR. It was a setup for failure.

  32. 32 cshav10 said at 3:45 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Agreed. I think Chip was mislead by not only JMatt’s 2014 performance, but how well the receivers overall in the class of 2014 performed. Seems like he thought he could easily draft that level of receiver again. Maybe once Algholor’s ankle heals up, he’ll be that guy. But he wasn’t that guy this year.

  33. 33 Kevin, uncautiously optimistic said at 8:19 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Given that all of those players had career years under Chip and none are in the top ten in the league or being talked about as elite on their new teams, you can argue that Chip made them the players they are.

  34. 34 holeplug said at 8:45 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    so Chip had good players that fit his system perfectly and let them go….and thats a good thing??

  35. 35 daveH said at 5:43 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Chip supposedly hates everyone.. thenpress fhe boosters bad guys tough guys vocal guyz .. literally but w t f doesnhe know about culture

  36. 36 Buge Halls said at 7:48 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Huh? Care to repeat that in English?

  37. 37 daveH said at 11:49 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Did some editing

  38. 38 GENETiC-FREAK said at 5:56 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    If all the changes this offseason n with Chips 1st year with full control how many people had a realistic thought of this team contending for the SB this year? I mean look at the OL compared to the previous 2 years? Looks at the WRs compared to having DJax n JMac? The D got more talented i believe but look at that nitwit of a DC.. The success of the previous 2 years looks to have set up this year as the year Eagles take that next step forward even with everything showing it looks like it will be a step backwards.. Team showing what was expected n everyone pulling out the knives for Chip

  39. 39 bonersandwiches-mm mm good said at 5:57 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Lots of usually good teams are having strange, bad years. I dunno what to make of it. I just know I wanna give Chip a shot for at least another year.

  40. 40 The original AG said at 6:16 PM on November 29th, 2015:

  41. 41 TommyLawlor said at 6:58 PM on November 29th, 2015:


  42. 42 The original AG said at 7:15 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    My thoughts exactly.

  43. 43 Media Mike said at 7:25 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Sharper is a predator, Freddie is a con artist, and McNabb is a fool. I’m just happy McNabb didn’t kill anybody driving drunk.

  44. 44 The original AG said at 7:27 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Me too. I know in time I may come around on McNabb, but his problem is just wrenching to watch. I feel like his life is an Intervention episode right now.

  45. 45 Media Mike said at 7:29 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    He’s too rich and too old to be driving drunk. Get a f-ing cab or get some groupie you’re banging to give you a ride.

  46. 46 ChoTime said at 8:32 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Donnie’s last tweet was two days ago. Guess he’s in tent city, wearing pink underwear now. Shoulda hired my brother-in-law, he specializes in DUI law!

  47. 47 ChoTime said at 8:34 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Don’t worry, Donnie, it happens to the best of us.

  48. 48 The original AG said at 6:18 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Now I’m officially on the “Billy D has to go” train.

  49. 49 anon said at 6:22 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    J. Called them at the line? That’s pretty crazy for a rookie.

  50. 50 The original AG said at 6:31 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Yeah, but knowing that, teams know what our defense is doing.

  51. 51 Media Mike said at 6:31 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Welcome aboard, but sorry about the crowded nature of the train

  52. 52 ACViking said at 6:32 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    The tweet reminds me of a story former Cowboys Safety Charlie Waters told about Steelers QB Terry Bradshaw.

    Waters saw Bradshaw at the ’78 Pro Bowl, following Pittsburgh’s 35-31 SB victory over Dallas (the second time in four years).

    Waters explained to Bradshaw that, despite the defensive calls from the sideline for the Cowboys’ very complex “Flex Defense,” both Waters and Safety Cliff Harris would free-lance and do things in coverage they’d never shown on film.

    So Waters asked Bradshaw how he was able to do so well in the SB — having never seen any of these new coverages. (Bradshaw went 17-30, 318 yards, 4 TDs 1 INT . . . and was SB MVP).

    Bradshaw said: “I looked right toward Lynn Swan; if he wasn’t open I threw the ball to Stallworth. And if Stallworth wasn’t open, I threw it to Swan.”

    Maybe, the whole “only coaches are smart enough to call plays” is more than a bit overrated.

  53. 53 The original AG said at 6:40 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    I like this anecdote. BTW – haven’t talked much over the last few weeks, but good to see you here!

  54. 54 RobNE said at 8:36 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    I saw similar quote from Jim McMahon once when talking about the Bears. I think this is the QB go to humble brag, oh I’m just a moron throwing the ball…when they’re not. At least not on the field.

  55. 55 anon said at 6:34 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Tannehills numbers are pretty good, gotta wonder if dude in Florida is the real deal.

  56. 56 Media Mike said at 6:44 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    This Seattle / Pittsburgh game is great to watch. Shame we don’t often get the best out of town games.

  57. 57 PlanetX said at 4:22 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    I was surprised they were airing this one in my area. Thoroughly enjoyed that game.

  58. 58 Media Mike said at 6:57 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    This should help with the chemistry

    Round 1 Pick 14: Jared Goff, QB, California (A+)
    Round 3 Pick 5: Jerald Hawkins, OT, LSU (B+)
    Round 3 Pick 14: Shon Coleman, OT, Auburn (A)
    Round 4 Pick 14: Tyler Matakevich, OLB, Temple (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 13: Mekale McKay, WR, Cincinnati (A-)
    Round 5 Pick 23: Harlan Miller, CB, Southeastern Louisiana (A-)
    Round 6 Pick 14: Kyler Fackrell, OLB/DE, Utah State (B+)
    Round 7 Pick 14: Ufomba Kamalu, DT, Miami (Fla.) (C+)
    Round 7 Pick 29: Doug Middleton, FS, Appalachian State (C)

  59. 59 Joe Minx said at 8:47 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    I don’t see how Goff would ever make it to 14.

    I do love how you get Matakevich into every mock though. 🙂

  60. 60 Media Mike said at 8:55 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Goff at 14 was pure luck. Matakevich is picked by me that often because he’s rated highly, would fit well here at ILB given the putrid play / health at the position, give the team some guts, and I have to admit I don’t know the draftable players as well as I will in the spring, so he’s a name I know is good in rounds 3 and 4.

  61. 61 kimsarah said at 1:42 AM on December 1st, 2015:

    Can we trade Chip and Bradford for a 2nd round pick?

  62. 62 myartz04 said at 7:25 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Would we all be this mad if one of the front office guys came out early in the year and said..”it’s a rebuilding year”..? That’s how I look at things, although it’s perplexing that on one hand it appears as a rebuild (letting go productive, fan favorites), but then on the other hand there are ‘win now’ moves such as the two RBS we signed. It’s been such a weird year I don’t know what to think. Fire Billy Davis though.

  63. 63 Media Mike said at 7:28 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    If they flat out said; we’re going to stink but we need you to hang in there………….I’d be less irate.

  64. 64 myartz04 said at 7:32 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Me too. A big problem with all of this were the “experts” that had us as their SB pick.

  65. 65 GENETiC-FREAK said at 7:48 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Thats the thinking from what they Lauri said have to take a step back to take that step forward something along the lines.. All these changes, loss of talent how does anyone realistically think this team will contend in the Superbowl this year.. One more year to get a better picture of Chips vision then i think we see if his team vision works or not

  66. 66 ChoTime said at 8:36 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Not at all. But… that’s not how it went down.

  67. 67 Iskar36 said at 3:47 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    The nature of the criticism would be very different, but I think the criticism would still very much be there. If someone came out and said this is a rebuilding year at the beginning of the year, first off, some of the moves that were made would have been criticized, the RBs and contracts we gave them are a perfect example. In addition though, this far into the season, are there any “rebuilding” moves that you would be particularly excited about? Rebuilding doesn’t mean JUST letting go productive/fan favorite type players. It also has to have a component of replacing those players. Of the moves we made this offseason, what, maybe one of them (Walter Thurmond) worked?

    Saying the expectations were too high is simply an excuse for an awful season. This season was unsuccessful, both at making us a legitimate playoff team (yes, we can still potentially make the playoffs, but that has almost nothig to do with us and everything to do with the state of the division) and at moving the team in the right direction TOWARDS being a legitimate playoff team. This offseason, regardless of whether Chip stays or goes, will require significant changes if we are to be successful.

  68. 68 BobSmith77 said at 8:18 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Not sure if it is funny or sad that the NFC East winner might win 7 games and the Eagles still won’t win the division.

    Thought they had before the last 3 games a good chance to go 8-8 and win the division if they won the right games (Skins/Giants in particular).

  69. 69 Media Mike said at 8:21 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Yeah, things are starting to look like Washington can win the division at 7-9.

    Figure the Eagles could lose the next 3, but win vs. Wash and NYG to go 6-10.

    Washington has Dallas, @ Bears, Bills, @ Eagles, @ Dallas. Even at 2-3 that gets them to 7-9.

    Giants, Jets, @ Dolphins, vs. Panthers, @ Vikings, vs. Eagles. That is a “lose out” type schedule to finish 5-11.

  70. 70 BobSmith77 said at 8:26 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Given up trying to figure out this team but for once I do the doomsayers are generally right. This team has a bunch of issues, ton of injuries to go with it, and simply not enough talent to compete.

    Their likely win at least one more game along the way but I could see this group rolling over and going 5-11 or even 4-12 at this point.

  71. 71 Media Mike said at 8:29 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    I can’t really predict a win in any game other than the games vs. the clowns in our own clown car division.

  72. 72 Media Mike said at 8:34 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Jamie Collins for the Pats has been out for his 4th or 5th game in a row with an undisclosed “illness.” I’m calling it AIDS or Ebola until the Pats fess up as to what’s he sick with.

  73. 73 D3FB said at 5:38 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    He’s got the Alejandro Bedoya disease.

    Bedoya’s had a “cold” since friggin September

  74. 74 Media Mike said at 5:47 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    I cannot stand anything less than an Adam Schefter tweet of JPP hospital charts level of info coming out on why a player isn’t playing.

    And Bedoya is one of many problems I’m having with our men’s national team.

  75. 75 D3FB said at 5:49 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    Driving down that transfer price, which I’m sure Earnie will appreciate.

  76. 76 BobSmith77 said at 8:34 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Setting expectations:

    I do wonder how this season would have turned out if Kelly had been frank last offseason, said this was a ‘rebuilding year’ after he had won the power struggle with Roseman, and tempered expectations and acquisitions accordingly including not signing guys like Murray or Maxwell.

    Still do the Bradford trade and gamble he is an upgrade & the answer moving ahead forward after not being able to move up to grade Mariota.

    It probably would have been pissed a lot of Eagles’ fans off but I do think Kelly was right in his diagnosis that the team that ended the season last year simply wasn’t good enough moving ahead forward to make a deep playoff run. Kelly just wasn’t willing to openly come out or settle on a possible sub .500 year while he was rebuilding.

  77. 77 Media Mike said at 8:35 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Dishonestly will get you every time.

  78. 78 Iskar36 said at 9:13 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Expectations of the team would have been entirely different, but the moves themselves have been disappointing as well.

  79. 79 ChoTime said at 8:39 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Next year’s coach.

    Found it odd that the commentariat on 24/7 seems to mostly assume that Kelly is gone after this year, whereas that does not appear to be the tenor over here at all. What would it take for Kelly to be fired? What would it take for him to keep his job?

  80. 80 Media Mike said at 8:40 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    To be fired; banging Lurie’s wife
    To stay employed: Lurie’s history with giving every coach a 4th year prior to making a move.

  81. 81 The original AG said at 8:42 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    If they’ve truly quit on him and we see blowouts the rest of the year, Kelly is gone.

    I think we have to see some improvement from these past two games for him to keep his job. Like losing close games or winning a couple before the year is out. Something that signals effort.

  82. 82 BobSmith77 said at 8:48 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Agreed. If this team can’t find some pride to get fired up to play an undefeated Pats’ team and at least playing competitively, I see the wheels just coming off.

    Lurie will tolerate losing but not losing like by healthy double-digits every week.

  83. 83 Mr. Magee said at 8:59 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    The wheels are already off

  84. 84 BobSmith77 said at 9:04 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Nah. They have 5 games yet to play and a 3-game losing streak is one thing.

    Losing out the season with an 8-game streak is another entirely. Tommy keeps emphasizing the fact that their are a lot of games yet he is right including for a team that still is not technically eliminated.

  85. 85 Mr. Magee said at 9:17 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    They started off the year bad and got worse. Now getting blown out by some pretty bad teams. The wheels are off, my friend. You have to be wearing some seriously rose colored glasses to not see that.

  86. 86 Mitchell said at 9:41 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Or be an overt pessimist.

  87. 87 holeplug said at 8:53 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    think only way he is fired is if players clearly quit and they get blown out in most of games left

  88. 88 Eagles_Fan_in_San_Fran said at 12:33 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    Chip’s not quite gone yet, but unless he somehow turns it around in these final games, he will (and should) be gone. Consider this from Reuben Frank today:
    “Before Thursday, I couldn’t imagine any scenario where Kelly wasn’t back next year. But what the Eagles did in the span of five days is simply unprecedented. They became the first NFL team in 47 years to lose back-to-back games to teams with losing records by 28 or more points. They became the second team in NFL history to allow five touchdown passes in consecutive games. They became the first Eagles team to give up 45 points back-to-back. It’s no longer whether Kelly can do anything to get himself fired. It’s now, can he do anything to save his job?”

  89. 89 anon said at 1:20 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    sounds like a situation where the dc should get fired.

  90. 90 Call Me Carlos the Dwarf said at 12:41 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    …and who hired the DC again?

  91. 91 BobSmith77 said at 8:46 PM on November 29th, 2015:


    2014 and 2015 drafts certainly have plenty of question marks and more and more are looking like the disastrous 2010 and 2011 drafts.

    Eagles’ scapegoated the results of the 2010 and 2011 drafts on Reid’s plate when he got fired and absolved Roseman of any culpability. I always thought that was an organizational cop out by Lurie because it was easy to pile on Reid when he was exiting here.

    Still want to know who had control in the draft room in 2014 but I still think Kelly was the one who called the shots. If the last 2 drafts of the results of Kelly, that to me is the biggest concern along with his ability as a GM to get decent value in FA.

    I prefer to see Kelly stripped of his GM duties this offseason with a new GM brought in externally that Kelly could work with. It can’t be Roseman after he lost the power struggle & got neutered. If that is something Lurie tries to force though or get Kelly to give up some control, I see Kelly forcing his way out. He’ll stay but only if he calls the shots & I have serious doubts about Kelly the GM.

  92. 92 Media Mike said at 8:53 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    I can’t see Kelly taking that strip and not demanding that they fire him.

  93. 93 BobSmith77 said at 8:58 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Not fire him but buy him out at some level.

  94. 94 Mitchell said at 9:36 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    2014 is fair to judge at this point but 2015? 2015 looks like a pretty damn good draft. Hicks alone is way more than we could have asked for. You can see Agholors skills when he gets the ball but between the shitty offense and hom being hurt, it has hindered his progress. A giy with Rowes size and athleticism and versatility were too good to pass up in the 2nd. Not to mention Shepherd who got hurt but i am very confident he would have contributed considerably. At least he would be better than Biggers. Plus we got an additional 3rd for the next. I cak understand some of the moves in 2014 but it was great although I certainlu wouldnt call it as bad as 2010 and 11 thus far by any stretch of the imagination.

  95. 95 JJVJack said at 10:03 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Sorry I can not agree about last year’s draft. Hicks is shining light with Injury history, He’s injured again. I thought Rowe was great pick but has not played well. Shepard dropped because of injury history, he did not even make it to the season. 2 of the picks are not even on team and Agholor’s talent is awesome but he drops way, way, way to many passes.

  96. 96 Mitchell said at 10:21 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Yes Hicks has an injury history and that’s why he fell but you can’t get much more freakish than a pec injury. I can’t fault him for that. I think Rowe has played ok considering he is a rookie with a 61 million dollar corner in front of him and until a few games ago Carroll played fairly well. I can’t blame him too much for being single covered on freaking Megatron and giving up plays. They targeted him and Davis, once again, refused to double team. He was actually in pretty good position on most of those throws but again, its Megatron. Shepherd didn’t fall in the draft because of and injury HISTORY, he fell because he had an injured hammy and he ran a “slow” 40. As far as the other guys not on the team. They were 5 and what, 6th round picks? They aren’t gonna make the team 95% of the time in the first place unless the position has literally no depth. Randall Evans is on the PS which is where a low round guy should be to develop. Agholor dropped some passes early but I haven’t seen many of late. It was probably a case of a rookie trying to do too much too soon. His talent is obvious. Can’t wait to see what else he can do.

  97. 97 Iskar36 said at 4:00 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    No question that it is still too early to judge this years draft, but I can’t get on board with it looking “pretty damn good” as we currently stand. Agholor has some promise, that is true. But if a first round pick DOESN’T have promise still at this point in his career, that is what would be concerning. Agholor still needs to turn potential into production. And while the potential certainly is there, his production, even compared to what other rookies on this team have been able to produce has not been ideal. Injuries certainly play a part in that, but regardless, all you have to go on right now is potential, but you had that the day we drafted him, he hasn’t progressed since then really.

    Rowe has not been able to get onto the field until recently. That in itself is concerning (although not necessarily the worst thing possible for a 2nd round corner). When he was on the field, B. Davis provided no help, so you can’t fully blame Rowe for struggling to make stops, but at the same time, he DIDN’T make those stops. It’s early and no question Rowe has some potential, but you certainly would have hoped for more in his rookie year.

    Hicks was a beast while he was healthy. If he can stay healthy, it looks like we may have found a stud. Of course, staying healthy is the big issue with Hicks.

  98. 98 kimsarah said at 1:50 AM on December 1st, 2015:

    Chip already has problem dealing with players of his own choosing, let alone someone else’s.

  99. 99 Mr. Magee said at 8:55 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Chip’s considering all options? I hope one is his resignation.

  100. 100 ChoTime said at 9:01 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Ba dum dum pfft!

  101. 101 P_P_K said at 9:03 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Credit where credit is due — Tommy’s line about being the Detmer with the weakest arm is gold.

  102. 102 JJVJack said at 9:29 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    I do not get all the Hate for the DC. I understand the Defense has been horrible the last 2 to 3 weeks. The offense has been horrible all year, ALL year. How many times did Defense get us the ball back and offense do nothing. I would be pretty pissed and down come this time of year to. I mean the Head coach is suppose to be an Offensive genius and We suck. That is putting it nicely. We gave up a functional not good but fuctional QB and a second round pick for a terrible QB. We sign a North South runner to big contract and run sweeps. We have no offensive line and the receivers all drop passes. We gave away the two most talented players for nothing. All this and the CB’S suck and he had a good D for first 8 weeks and He’s the #1 problem. I’m not saying he’s good but WOW.

  103. 103 Media Mike said at 5:45 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    How many times is it obvious what the O is doing, yet the DC doesn’t respond? That’s everybody’s main beef with Davis; he doesn’t adjust.

  104. 104 unhinged said at 9:30 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Seems to me that chemistry begins when one guy dominates his man, pancakes a DT, stuffs a freight train RB, knocks the ball from the grasp of a WR, nails the KO return man at his own 7, and lends support to his teammates. I don’t think football chemistry has a whole helluva lot to do with moral rectitude or good manners. It comes from a darker place. And it starts with one player doing his job well. Kelly may have calculated wrong. He may have a cast of dedicated, good guys who will take copious notes in the team meetings, and approach the game with positive vibes. But if they aren’t getting guidance and insight from the staff, their ignorance and uncertainty will overcome their dedication and good intentions. Kelly said early on that he wasn’t there to be a cop or truant officer or some such twaddle. He wants his players to conduct themselves like adults who know what a privilege it is to play in the NFL. So he focuses on character and gets a locker room that is full of personalities of which he approves. Now we can marvel at the classy interviews given by players who just got their asses handed to them. The word is that Kelly was “despondent” after thursday’s humiliating loss. Somebody needs to tell him that he’s the fuckin HC.

  105. 105 GermanEagle said at 9:39 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Looking forward to Billy Davis putting Rowe on Gronk 1-2-1 next week…

  106. 106 Patrick said at 10:12 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Kendricks on Edelman and Thurmond on Blount too, gonna be a good game. I easily see our defense doing better than Denver and keeping the Pats under control…

  107. 107 ChoTime said at 10:15 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    I think we will keep Edelman under control.

  108. 108 GermanEagle said at 10:15 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    And Amendola… 😉

  109. 109 Patrick said at 10:16 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Is he confirmed out? Anyways, Davis will probably keep Kendricks on him just to be safe and line up with 10 men on defense.

  110. 110 ChoTime said at 10:18 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    He suffered a broken foot last week. I won’t deny there’s a part of me that suspects he could still torch us.

  111. 111 Mitchell said at 10:22 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Isn’t Edelman out the rest of the year with a broken foot or something?

  112. 112 Crus57 said at 9:35 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    Maybe he’ll put ‘Meco on him, just to switch things up.

  113. 113 Gary Barnes said at 9:41 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Tommy, you seem fixated on the concept all the problems suddenly appeared this season. These problems date back to last season and the collapse down the stretch they became even more evident. Chip’s approach did not work well for the first two seasons. I’ll give you 2013, but last season we saw all of these same problems.

    The big differences this year are the ST performance has come back to reality, the OL is even worse than last season, we’ve had more injury issues and we’re missing the talent we let go even more than when DJax was sent packing because Chip’s replacements have not panned out.

  114. 114 ChoTime said at 9:47 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Offense DVOA:
    2013 #3
    2014 #13
    2015 #26
    Defense DVOA:
    2013 #23
    2014 #10
    2015 #6

  115. 115 GermanEagle said at 9:54 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Is our D still #6 this year after those two horrible performances lately?!

  116. 116 ChoTime said at 10:03 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    I don’t think the DET game is in there yet.

  117. 117 GermanEagle said at 10:03 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Yes that wouldn’t make sense.

  118. 118 Jernst said at 9:59 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    I think we’re all searching for answers but I think the simplest and most obvious and tangible one is the most likely. This team isn’t very talented.

    The offensive line is terrible. Johnson – Barbre – Kelce (on one leg) – Tobin – Kelly. Ew. Expect lots of sacks and a crappy run game. Check.

    The WRs are atrocious. Copper and Austin outside, Jordan Matthews in the slot. Ew. Expect an anemic passing game. Check.

    The RBs aren’t very good either. Murray, Barner, Sproles. Don’t expect a potent running game especially behind that Oline. Check.

    Our QB during this debacle has been Mark Sanchez. Enough said.

    TEs…Brent Celek and Trey Burton. No help there.

    Look at that roster over the past 2.5 games and tell me where anyone has any right to expect this team to be competitive.

  119. 119 ChoTime said at 10:13 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    I think so, too, Jernst.

    People were obsessing over drops and “almost” plays and bad luck, but those things only become highlighted because the team wasn’t good enough. Every team has bad luck but that stuff evens out over time. There will always be almost plays, but good players make enough of those to win.

    I don’t think we need All-Pros at every position, we just need more than we have. Look how much of a difference one talented rookie LB can make. With better players come more plays and scheme and coaching becomes less of an issue.

    It doesn’t help that a bunch of the oft-injured talent brought in is, unfortunately, injured. Bradford, Alonso, Matthews, Hicks. I wonder if Chip’s gamble there, trying to exploit a market inefficiency, was based on hard data or just a wild hunch.

  120. 120 anon said at 10:19 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    We fixated on the small issues bc we need everything to break our way in order to win.

  121. 121 Jernst said at 10:32 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Imagine for a second that Chip hadn’t cut Jackson and had signed Maclin this past offseason. And had stayed put in the second round and drafted any one of the great WRs that came out in 2014 instead of being desperate to trade up for Matthews. We wouldn’t have needed to trade a third rounder away to move up for Matthews, we wouldn’t have needed to use a third rounder on Huff and we wouldn’t have needed to use a 1st rounder on Agholar. Let’s keep McCoy and sign a good hard nosed downhill back up.

    Now we have an extra 1st round pick and two third rounders plus some extra cash to fill in the Oline. Now tell me if all of Chips wheeling and dealing actually made the Eagles better.

    I think this year would be a lot different if our offense looked like this:

    Maclin – Ertz – Peters-Mathis-Kelce-first rounder-Johnson
    Jackson – Celek – Two third round back up Olineman
    Matthews – Bradford

    – McCoy

  122. 122 anon said at 10:44 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    I think you have to evaluate Kellys moves in terms of what the perceived issues with the team were.

    That said the drafting on this team has been terrible, rebuilt WR corps, thats mediocre on it’s best day, probably 10 DBs taken most of whom are gone. Marcus Smith pick ruined the first 3 rounds of the 2014 draft.

    It’ll be interesting to see how he changes things because it really looks like he’s gotta re-think all of his philosophies.

  123. 123 Jernst said at 11:26 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    I wouldn’t go as far as to say the drafting has been terrible.

    2013 was pretty darn good. If you go back and look at the players selected it’s pretty hard to find players we passed on that we really should have taken. Lane Johnson, Zach Ertz, Bennie Logan are a pretty darn good first three in any draft. Picking Barkley in the 4th was obviously a bust but not the worst idea to take a flier on a previously top ranked QB that fell to the 4th round there. In hindsight we could have just sat where we were and taken Alex Okafor which would have given us one hell of a Dline. But, he’s really the only notable player from the entire 4th round of that draft. After the 4th round you’d be hard pressed to find anyone from that draft that became a starter. Kenny Stills, Zac Stacy, and Caleb Sturgis are the only notable players we passed over in the 5th to get Wolff.

    2014 was definitely the worst draft by far. We took MS2 while Kelvin Benjamin, Bradley Roby, Teddy Bridgewater and Derek Carr were all available. We traded up with a 2nd and 3rd for Matthews when we could have sat where we were and gotten Jarvis Landry or Allen Robinson. We took Josh Huff in the third when we could have had John Brown, Donte Moncrief or a whole host of starting OGs and OTs. We took Jaylen Watkins over Davonte Freeman, Aaron Colvin, and Martavius Bryant. After that Taylor Hart, Ed Reynolds and Beau Allen are about as good as any team did in rounds 5-7 as there’s no one from those rounds in2014 that has done anything of note in the NFL. So yea that draft was not good.

    This years draft I think is still too soon to tell. I think Agholar looks very good and expect a big sophomore jump from him. Rowe could go either way but I think he has all the skills necessary. And, Hicks was easily the best pick of the third round. And Shepherd looked like a great pick in the 6th until his injury. Plus we turned a 4th rounder into a 3rd in 2016.

    So if you look at the 9 top three round picks we’ve had under Kelly, we’ve gotten Lane Johnson, Zach Ertz, Bennie Logan, MS2, Jordan Matthews, Josh Huff, Nelson Agholar, Eric Rowe and Jordan Hicks.

    That’s not half bad. That’s 5/9 that are clear cut hits. 1 (Huff) who’s shown some promise but has had very few opportunities so far, but at least looks like a playmaker when he does get his hands on the ball, 2 rookies with a lot of promise that could turn out to be hits by this time next year and 1 clear cut bust. Not many teams do better than that.

    The hit rate for first round picks becoming starters is about 50%. To have 5 starters and potentially 7 starters out of 9 picks in the first three rounds with one role player and one bust isn’t terrible at all.

  124. 124 ChoTime said at 10:55 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    It appears he traded ability for cooperation, that is, got rid of the (good) players that wouldn’t follow his unusual demands. The idea would be that his system was so superior to other NFL systems that it would outweigh the talent drain.

    Even taking out the last two games out, it doesn’t appear to have worked. He allowed the strength of the team, the WR corps, to become a hole that had to be filled with high draft picks that, unfortunately, have not even panned out. He dropped McCoy a year or two too early, but compounded the mistake by saddling himself to too much $ at the position. The Mathis thing.

    A swing, and a miss.

  125. 125 Jernst said at 11:37 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Yea. I agree. I think the biggest mistake was to do this apparent rebuild in a piecemeal fashion over 3 years. He slowly created holes where there weren’t any while using his available resources to plug those new holes instead of plugging the ones already there or ones that where certain to appear in the future (Oline). This kept us winning while slowly decimating the roster of talent and forcing us to saddle ourselves with big FA contracts for under performers like Maxwell, Murray, Austin, Bradford, instead of building through the draft at those spots.

    It would have been better if he tore the whole thing down from the beginning. Got rid of Jackson, Maclin, McCoy, Foles, Mathis, Cole, Herremans, ect before 2014, stocked up on draft picks, started building a strong core of his players through the draft, had a rebuilding year in 2014, had a top pick in 2015 and been in position to get his QB.

  126. 126 Media Mike said at 5:44 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    Or he could have taken John Brown instead of Huff and we’d have our deep threat.

  127. 127 kimsarah said at 2:00 AM on December 1st, 2015:

    This is what happens when 10-6 isn’t good enough and you have a coach with an ego who can’t evaluate talent or chemistry.
    It’s even scarier if he knows what he’s doing.

  128. 128 Jernst said at 10:14 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    And the reason the roster is terrible is due to poor roster management. Kelly took over the team in 2013. That team had a great, but aging offensive line. It had very good WRs with Maclin, Jackson and Avant. It had a decent TE in Celek and a great RB in McCoy and a bunch of question marks at QB. The obvious needs were QB, Oline reserves, a weapon at TE and an eventual upgrade at slot WR for Avant. Matthews was selected to upgrade Avant, check. Ertz was selected to be our playmaker at TE, check.

    However, despite the good start, besides drafting Lane, not a single resource was spent preparing for the aging line’s imminent decline. No viable QBs were brought in until we gave up a second for Bradford when we could have drafted Bridgewater or Carr in 2014. Instead of using resources to fill out the positions we needed filled we created more needs by cutting Jackson, cutting Mathis, letting Maclin walk in FA and trading McCoy. Suddenly we now needed two more WRs, a RB and a guard. On top of still needing a QB and additional Oline help. Therefore we had to spend another couple picks on WR, sign two high priced FA RBs and had nothing left over resource-wise to address Oline.

    When you cut good starters and open up new holes, you have to spend resources filling those holes instead of dealing with other areas of need. The result is a hodgepodge of weird FAs and rookies thrust into starting roles where good veterans used to play and the same holes that were there before are still open.

  129. 129 holeplug said at 2:00 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    think Chip took on far too much too soon. NFL has a steep learning curve it seems like Chip was so obsessed and focused on accumulating absolute power that it never occurred to him he might not be good at everything and even if he was he would be stretched to thin anyway and the team would suffer.

  130. 130 kimsarah said at 2:01 AM on December 1st, 2015:

    He should have proved himself as an assistant somewhere first.

  131. 131 Media Mike said at 5:43 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    “Kelce (on one leg)”

    Not interested. His leg isn’t snapping the ball and if he’s injured enough that the leg is a big deal, he needed to have been operated on weeks ago.

    The use of in-season injuries as an excuse for poor play when one looks back to assess the season is garbage. I hate when the Flyers do it every year.

  132. 132 Jernst said at 1:21 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    No one is trying to give Kelce an excuse here. It’s just a fact. His bursa burst and his leg is swollen up like a watermelon. Regardless I wasn’t saying anything about giving him an excuse or pass for his bad play. I was necessarily trying to talk about why his play sucks. I was merely stating that currently his play sucks. And, it’s a fact that his knee is hurt.

    Kelce was a probowl level guard prior to this year. Recently, he sucks. I wanted to make it clear that we are dealing with sucky Kelce at center and not probowl Kelce, since my point was that the offensive line, along with the rest of the team, is terrible and devoid of talent right now and that’s why we are losing, not some nebulous notion of culture and adversity.

    But, if you’d prefer that it says (who now sucks for no physical reason whatsoever, he just suddenly sucks, ignore his injured knee), just pretend it says that instead.

  133. 133 Media Mike said at 7:14 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Then pardon me for jumping down your throat. I just get very tired of seeing the after the season injury excuses pile up when it seems like every other franchise can play “next man up” on the road to success.

  134. 134 Jernst said at 8:14 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Exactly. If our line is terrible because Kelce’s knee is too sore to play that’s on the GM who assembled such a shitty Oline that if Kelce goes down we have to sign Julian vandervelde off the streets to play center. That’s an “our personnel sucks” problem not an injury problem.

  135. 135 anon said at 10:17 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Look at how amazing Denver’s o-line they’re pushing the pats 5 yds downfield. Think the guy behind mathis is better than mathis.

  136. 136 Mitchell said at 10:24 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    I’m convinced it’s all about the qb and the Eagles won’t be truly competitive until they have one.

  137. 137 anon said at 10:29 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Denver’s team is so good except for 2 missed FGs they’d be beating the PATs.

  138. 138 anon said at 11:28 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    uh-oh, if gronk is injured season might be over for pats. No way they can win in playoffs w/out Gronk, Lewis and Edelman right?

  139. 139 RobNE said at 8:30 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    why can’t they? Because Andy Dalton is going to come to Foxboro on a Sat night in January and win?

    It lessens their chances but they would still be favorites. Looks like Gronk’s injury isn’t that bad anyway.

  140. 140 anon said at 11:39 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Sort of depressing, Brok in his second start has a chance to beat the Pats. When’s the last the the eagles were close to beating a SB calibur team?

  141. 141 Jernst said at 11:41 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    With no Edelman, Gronk, Dion Lewis, Amendola or Aaron Dobson even this shitty Eagles team might have a chance next week. Tom Tom can’t throw the ball to himself.

  142. 142 anon said at 11:45 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    Need a pass rusher to beat Brady.

  143. 143 Jernst said at 11:57 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    No doubt. But Brady is a much different quarterback without Gronk.

    Without a running game, no Edelman, no Gronk, no Amendola, no Aaron Dobson, no Brandon Gibson, no Dion Lewis….who’s he throwing to? Brandon LaFell and Chris Harper are the only two receivers left.

    LaFell has 17 receptions on the year and Harper has zero. At the least this game just got monumentally easier as far as defending the patriots goes. Won’t matter one bit if we can’t do anything offensively, because even with that dreck Brady is still good for 20 points against this defense. But, if Gronks out, we go from having no chance to a definite chance.

  144. 144 anon said at 12:03 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    i don[t see brady winning 2 in a row, especially not after losing in OT, but maybe trap game.

  145. 145 Mitchell said at 12:26 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    We have a few but they arent very good.

  146. 146 kimsarah said at 2:03 AM on December 1st, 2015:

    Not against their O line.

  147. 147 JoeBlow said at 11:42 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    i guess you have to ask when is the last time they had a defense as good as denvers or a receiving core as good as theirs

  148. 148 Media Mike said at 5:41 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    Or when they had a defensive coordinator as good as Wade Phillips.

  149. 149 anon said at 11:59 PM on November 29th, 2015:

    is that how our sweep plays are supposed to look?

  150. 150 Flyineagle45 said at 12:09 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    In regards to character I have a message for Chip. Even the patriots draft murderers

  151. 151 Joe Minx said at 12:10 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    Like the old adage says…when you have the chance to draft a serial killer, you do it.

  152. 152 BobSmith77 said at 12:36 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    Belichick always gets more credit than Brady but it is the other way around. If Mo Lewis never knocks out Bledsoe, I wonder if Belicheck would have just been another very good coordinator who failed as a head coach with 2 different teams instead.

  153. 153 Donald Kalinowski said at 12:07 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Brady wasn’t that good during their first super bowl run.

  154. 154 BobSmith77 said at 10:38 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Agree on that and they were really fortunate to win a bunch of playoff games that year.

  155. 155 bill said at 1:14 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    I still argue that Brady’s development was helped by the fact that when it came to crunch time, he KNEW he could trust the play calls; all he had to do was execute the play that Belicheat selected based upon the knowledge of what the defense was calling. He got valuable reps in an NFL pocket without the high-level anxiety that usually comes along with it. It simplified every aspect about his development.

  156. 156 kimsarah said at 2:08 AM on December 1st, 2015:

    Plus his oversized hands that get a nice grip on the ball.

  157. 157 Jernst said at 12:43 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    Early reports are that Gronks knee injury isn’t serious. Sounds like ACL and MCL aren’t clearly unstable on the physical stability tests. They’ll have to get an MRI tomorrow, but all early indications are that he didn’t tear anything. That’s good news for Gronk I never wish injury on any player. However, I won’t be sad if they choose to sit him next Sunday while his sprain/bone bruise heals.

  158. 158 ACViking said at 1:05 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    Andy Reid was still the Eagles’ coach the last time the Pattiots lost consecutive games. Weeks 2-3 of the 2012 season.

  159. 159 anon said at 1:53 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    pats are 30 point favorites

  160. 160 The original AG said at 7:19 AM on November 30th, 2015:

  161. 161 RobNE said at 8:27 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    give the points. Actually looks to be around 13. I would think 15 is more reasonable.

  162. 162 kimsarah said at 2:09 AM on December 1st, 2015:

    Unless the injury report has Brady out with abdominal pain, caused by laughter.

  163. 163 Insomniac said at 2:37 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    It has been months since Ryan Mathews was signed but yet 80% of the Eagles fanbase still misspell his name.

  164. 164 Media Mike said at 5:38 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    Ryan Mathews and Jordan Matthews should get locked into a room and be forced to settle on how to spell that name. We should only have to learn it one way.

    Considering that Sarge also spells it Matthews, I think Ryan Mathews needs to fix his name.

  165. 165 HawaiianEagle said at 10:01 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    We could go RMat and JMat..?

  166. 166 A_T_G said at 8:57 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    With the way his season is going, you wouldn’t think dropping a t would be that big of a deal for Jordan.

  167. 167 Bert's Bells said at 9:51 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    How many people still can’t spell FOles?

  168. 168 Baloophi said at 11:52 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    To be fair, we only get to see him on TV for less than 30 seconds a game…

  169. 169 Eagles News: Chip Kelly got emotional after Philadelphia's loss to the Lions - said at 6:30 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    […] Impact of Adversity – Iggles BlitzPart of the problem with this team is the weight of expectations. The team looked great in the summer and the preseason which built up a ton of hype. Byron Maxwell, DeMarco Murray and Sam Bradford are dealing with the expectations that costly investments bring. All 3 are getting big money and Bradford cost draft picks as well. That puts a ton of pressure on them. Clearly this team has not handled pressure well. Those players have not handled pressure well. All of this is now starting to affect Chip. I heard that Chip was emotional after Thursday’s loss. That isn’t normal for him. […]

  170. 170 The original AG said at 7:37 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    Interesting article from Eckel (yes everyone can write a good article / have a good take) and I think it’s worth discussing.

    I totally forgot that Chip’s handpicked man to be the “GM” was Tom Gamble. In the beginning of the battle Roseman got rid of him in a power play, then Chip was moved to GM and Roseman stripped of power.

    Eckel seems to think the loss of Gamble hurt Chip because Marynowitz doesn’t have the experience in the NFL and Marynowitz/Chip are both newbies learning the process.

    There’s many reasons why this team isn’t doing well, but it would be interesting to think with Gamble in the room how the offseason moves might be different.

  171. 171 RobNE said at 8:26 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    maybe that’s true and I’m on the Chip wagon still, but Gamble was gone by the time Chip hired the guy (Mary….) who may not have enough experience in the NFL. So Chip kind of made that bed.

  172. 172 D3FB said at 9:09 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    -Gamble likely did something worth being fired.
    -Chip didn’t want Gamble around either. He wants to be the guy.
    -Witz was with the Dolphins as a scout in ’07 and with the Eagles from Summer 2012 on. He’s not a grizzled vet but he wasn’t plucked straight out of the college ranks either.

  173. 173 anon said at 10:10 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    do you think witz should be the guy? i remember them having trouble hiring decent candidates bc chip wanted final say.

  174. 174 D3FB said at 10:50 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    I think Witz is fine for the job, because I’m going to assume he’s at least a competent scout, and then the rest of the job is just administrative.

    He’s not going to have final say on the board. He doesn’t have final say on draft or FA strategy. I mean short of him not making sure scouts are getting around to see everybody enough (which once again I’m going to assume our scouting staff isnt comically incompetent) there’s not much he can really fuck up.

    Ozzie Newsome isn’t walking through the door, but you don’t need Ozzie.

    And as far as new GMs, both rising star types and protege to the great types have had success and have failed. There isn’t a great way for the outside world to know how much someone has helped build a team. Even in league circles I’d imagine they have a better idea but it’s still muddy.

  175. 175 D3FB said at 10:37 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    Also Gamble was Eckels source while he was with the org.

  176. 176 eagleyankfan said at 11:43 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    Are you implying — if Gamble was here, then JM would have caught all those passes and Bradford wouldn’t have gotten hurt? Interesting.

  177. 177 ChoTime said at 8:58 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    “… Chip postgame: ‘I believe in building a great organization with great people. I chose you for a reason. I still believe in you…'”

    But do they believe in him?

  178. 178 Tdoteaglefan said at 9:16 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    Bill lazor fired by the dolphins..wonder if he’d come back to his old job if we can give ryan day the axe

  179. 179 Crus57 said at 9:42 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    I had the same thought. Bring back Lazor, maybe pick Foles up when he’s cut, to be our #3 QB, all aboard the nostalgia train.

  180. 180 RobNE said at 9:43 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    this week is our Giants – Pats 2007 regular season game. Here we go!!!

    Rocky: I’m not going down no more, Mick.

    let’s just show some GD fight please.

  181. 181 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:00 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    Not excited at all…. 1 win means NOTHING to me, even if it comes against the Patriots… This team has had a few solid wins, what kills us is we can’t build on the momentum of a good win and put together a streak of playing quality ball
    Win means NOTHING to me, I care about what will happen the week after he get a win… I care about us building on wins which we have failed to do the majority of this season.
    We Need to put together a winning streak… Win in Brady’s house is a nice start, but I need to see us build on a win before I can get excited about this season..
    i need them to beat the Pats and Bills in back to back games, before I can feel any interest in this eagle team… Season is exhausting…

  182. 182 Bleeding Green Nation :: Eagles News: Chip Kelly got emotional after Philadelphia's loss to the Lions - Rainy Monster said at 9:45 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    […] Impact of Adversity – Iggles BlitzPart of the problem with this team is the weight of expectations. The team looked great in the summer and the preseason which built up a ton of hype. Byron Maxwell, DeMarco Murray and Sam Bradford are dealing with the expectations that costly investments bring. All 3 are getting big money and Bradford cost draft picks as well. That puts a ton of pressure on them. Clearly this team has not handled pressure well. Those players have not handled pressure well. All of this is now starting to affect Chip. I heard that Chip was emotional after Thursday’s loss. That isn’t normal for him. […]

  183. 183 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:52 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    Chip, who is still learning how to be pro coach says he doesn’t believe in raising his voice to grown men… How the hell can you coach Football and think there will never be a time When your players need to be chewed out?
    Todd Bowles is quiet, polite, soft spoken, calm football coach with pro experience… Yet just a week ago when Jets were playing Terrible ball and losing, even Bowles went into his locker room post game, and flipped out and went Berzerk on his players.. For most it was the first time they ever saw Bowles fired up like that.. Consequently they went on to have a good week of practice and Kicked Miami ass the next game..
    Clearly the team isn’t resphding to calm chip kelly, be great if he put his foot down, chew out his locker room, Cut Miles Austin for playing and not even wamting the QB to throw him the ball, Shake the locker room up in hopes that it reaches the players and get them to put up a fight in Foxborough

    I don’t need to see Chip act like jim HARBAUGH, but this is just another EXTREME of chip that I don’t believe in…. I believe in BALANCE…
    I don’t like that chip lacks VARIATY and believes to much in extremes..
    You can’t ALWAYS use Tempo
    You can’t ALWAYS be calm and reserves when talking your players
    You can’t ALWAYS exclusively line up in Shotgun
    you can’t ALWAYS get rid of top talent because they don’t fit your cookie cutter mold
    There is a time and a place for Tempo, and a time when you NEED to slow it down..
    There is a time to be calm around your players and there will be times when you have to kick your players ass

    Too many extremes, too little VARIATY
    Curious to see what changes in his approach will chip show after an offseason of self evaluation after a dissapointing year

  184. 184 Mitchell said at 10:55 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    Maybe he’s afraid that if he raises his voice to a 300+ lb behemoth he will get desteoyed. Haha

  185. 185 anon said at 10:07 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    Billy Lazor gone — I think Chip needs to give him a call.

  186. 186 ac134spectre said at 10:11 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    I’m going with 7-9 takes the division. We have a shot.

  187. 187 Iskar36 said at 11:48 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    “We have a shot…[at lower our draft position for no reason]”

  188. 188 bsuperfi said at 10:19 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    I think it’s time to go all in with a running QB. The big thing CK brings to the table besides tempo is the packaged play-calling – the combination can be lethal, but they both need to work together. I’m becoming more and more convinced that the packaged plays aren’t nearly as effective without a QB who is and is willing to be a serious threat on the ground. And I’m not just talking about a QB who will run on a zone read a couple times a game to “keep the defense honest.” I’m talking about a QB who can do real damage.

    I think we all know that Kap and RGIII are the most obvious options in this category. I do need to say that I am not a fan of either of these guys, but I don’t know college well enough to say who makes sense from those ranks (and if any running college QB would merit a high pick).

    I guess I just think this is the one thing we really haven’t learned about CK yet–how he’d do in the NFL with his offense working the way it’s really designed to. We’ve already taken the risk with him, and in my mind, there’s one big unknown left. This is it. I’m hoping we double down with this sort of QB in the offseason. If it doesn’t work out, fine — we’ll go back to a more traditional system and coach. If it does work out, it’ll be fun to watch.

  189. 189 Jernst said at 1:03 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    I wonder how much it would cost to sign both RG3 and Kapernick. Having two running QBs kinda decreases the impact of worrying your starter is going to get hurt by running a read option offense. If we’re going to embrace the running QB offense I say we go all the way and have Tebow as the 3rd string. I know I sound sarcastic but I’m actually being serious.

    I don’t disagree that we should embrace the need for a running QB. I think Chips offense really takes off when you add that threat. And if that’s the way we really want to go a QB depth chart of RG3, Kapernick and Tebow would be the way to go.

  190. 190 bill said at 1:11 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    If he did that, he could really save some money at WR and just sign vet min guys like ‘tutu. He’d need to invest that money on D so that the opposing teams could consistently be held under 20 points.

  191. 191 Jernst said at 1:29 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    It would finally justify the use of “blocking wide receivers” like Riley Cooper.

  192. 192 ChoTime said at 1:21 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    That would be a true Dream Team.

  193. 193 bsuperfi said at 1:43 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    I love this idea. I need this to happen. If only we could do with Randall and Donovan instead…

  194. 194 Dave said at 10:51 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    I’m not sure I get all the rhetoric that Chip should be fired because he is a crappy coach and/or GM. Everyone acts like Chip has no ability to learn or adapt and that “he is who he is”. Heck, I’ve read that Josh McDaniels should be on everyone’s off season wish list to be their next head coach, or that Sean McDermott is the best available candidate.

    McDaniels wrecked the Broncos. McDermott has never run a team, college or professional. Chip has a track record at college. He set up the Eagles in his vision. One of the most repeated things written on Chip before, during, and after his hiring was how he always wanted to learn. Now it seems that having no viable QB on the roster and a questionable defensive coordinator, he is a horrible coach because he cannot win with Sanchez and Bradford running his offense.

    I agree with the sentiment that not upgrading the o-line killed the offense this year and that the chemistry is off with the whole team. What I disagree with is that Chip wants to leave and/or should be fired based on less than 3 years as coach and less than 1 year as the defacto GM. How is he supposed to learn if he never makes mistakes? I guess everyone assumes he cannot learn and does not have the ability to adapt.

    Remember, without Brady, Belichick is 51-65.

  195. 195 he's_back_scrambling said at 12:02 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    McDaniels wrecked the Broncos but Chip destroyed the Eagles.

  196. 196 GermanEagle said at 12:33 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Look who’s coming out of the woodwork these days…!

  197. 197 he's_back_scrambling said at 12:41 PM on November 30th, 2015:


  198. 198 CryEaglesCry said at 10:52 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    McCoy 19-70 3-31 1 TD
    Maclin 9-160 1 TD
    DJax 2-66 1 TD
    Andy Reid 1 WIN
    Nick Foles not injured


    Murray 14-30 0 TD
    Matthews 3-60 1 TD
    R. Cooper 2-16
    Chip Kelly blown out in loss
    Sam Bradford hurt

  199. 199 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 11:10 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    Even the trolls have given up

  200. 200 CryEaglesCry said at 11:11 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    What coulda been and…. what is. Absolutely disgusting you all put so much hope in Chip Kelly. He destroyed our team.

  201. 201 GermanEagle said at 12:31 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    This. Is. Funny.

    Even for a troll.

  202. 202 eagleyankfan said at 11:34 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    only 2 games out .. of the top pick. Come on Eagles. You can do it.

  203. 203 anon said at 11:36 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    what’s easier to get to #1 pick or playoffs?

  204. 204 eagleyankfan said at 11:39 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    Good question. The shortest route, is the playoffs. The easier and most probably route is the #1 pick. (disclaimer I don’t know tie breakers etc for the #1 pick)

  205. 205 bill said at 11:47 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    I’m lazy, or I’d do some quick research, but I have a feeling that 4 wins is rarely a record that qualifies for #1 overall.

  206. 206 anon said at 11:52 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    always seems to be a 2 win team. 4 wins is good for around picks 4-7

  207. 207 eagleyankfan said at 12:49 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Tenn has 2 win. Some with 3, a bunch with 4. Still easier than making the playoffs…

  208. 208 DrFeelgood said at 11:49 AM on November 30th, 2015:

    so chip is now crying since he now realizes he looks like a dumb arrogant ahole and we are supposed to care ? don’t think so….in this town when you talk a big game and are an overpaid punk and then fail we bury you….bye chip and take tommy ‘chip’ lawlor as your PR guy for your next job

  209. 209 GermanEagle said at 12:30 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Can you prescribe me the drugs you’re on?!

  210. 210 CryEaglesCry said at 12:33 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Well said. Take the entirety of the Philadelphia media as well. These chumps drank the koolaide and never stopped.

  211. 211 Julescat said at 12:36 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    so you want tommy lawlor to leave yet you troll his site?

    mancrush much?

  212. 212 CryEaglesCry said at 12:37 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Why is every person who doesn’t drink the Koolaid a “troll” to you. That’s not a troll. His post isn’t trollish. You just disagree with him.

  213. 213 Julescat said at 12:42 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    it is trollish to go on a guy’s message board and post for him to leave.


  214. 214 CryEaglesCry said at 12:45 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    are you the Internet Nazi?

  215. 215 Julescat said at 1:00 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    why are you answering when I question anon?

    sock puppet much?

  216. 216 Jernst said at 1:31 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    He’s a troll. If you ignore him he withers and dies.

  217. 217 DrFeelgood said at 8:26 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    no i won’t …i love attention from dooshes on this blog

  218. 218 DrFeelgood said at 8:25 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    suk me off then pound sand then repeat troll

  219. 219 DrFeelgood said at 8:25 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    i like to point out idiocy and the fact that for some reason mr football tommy lawlor keeps defending this fast talking fraud

  220. 220 anon said at 12:33 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Per a source in usc#USC’s athletic dept., a few former USC players who played for Chip in Philly told Haden they didn’t like playing under him.

  221. 221 CryEaglesCry said at 12:34 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    You got a tweet or a source for that?

  222. 222 anon said at 12:37 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    max meyer via bill barnewell. only usc player i can think of has to be matty b.

  223. 223 Dave said at 12:45 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Barkley thought he was denied a legitimate shot to compete for the starting QB job. Ironically, another USC qb resigned with Chip last year. Obviously Sanchez had no problems playing for Chip.

  224. 224 CryEaglesCry said at 12:46 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Why is it obvious Sanchez likes playing for Chip?

  225. 225 Dave said at 1:23 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    If he didn’t like playing for Chip, why would he resign with the team this past offseason?

  226. 226 CryEaglesCry said at 1:24 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    To get a paycheck???

  227. 227 CryEaglesCry said at 12:40 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Wow. that’s pretty bad.

  228. 228 Julescat said at 12:42 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    sock puppet?

  229. 229 ACViking said at 1:04 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    That’s such a great phrase . . . “sock puppet”!

  230. 230 ACViking said at 12:49 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    There are only 4 USC players in the NFL during the past 3 years who played for Kelly:

    Nelson Agholor

    Matt Barkley

    Kevin Graf

    Mark Sanchez

    Of course, there are several USC players in the NFC who may have asked ex-Eagles who’re new teammates or friends on the Eagles — from the Pro Bowl or who knows where — what they think about Kelly.
    For example:

    TJ McDonald, Rams (Foles?)

    OT Tyron Smith, Dallas (Peters?)

    Robert Woods, Buffalo (McCoy?)

    Malcom Smith, Raiders (Nate Allen?)

    Not saying the rumor’s accurate. But this kind of due diligence makes sense.

  231. 231 CryEaglesCry said at 12:50 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    what a stretch.

  232. 232 ACViking said at 12:51 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    What’s the “stretch”?

    That Haden would do this kind of due diligence?

    Not sure what you’re saying.

  233. 233 CryEaglesCry said at 12:52 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    your post is such a stretch.

  234. 234 Julescat said at 12:52 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    I call BS on the whole story

  235. 235 CryEaglesCry said at 12:53 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Of course you do. It doesn’t fit your narrative nor your love for Chip Kelly.

  236. 236 Julescat said at 12:54 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    but it DOES fit your narrative

  237. 237 CryEaglesCry said at 12:55 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    exactly. My narrative has always been professional players don’t want to wear sleep monitors. Nobody would like that.

  238. 238 Julescat said at 12:59 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    there are probably hundreds of guys cut every year who would gladly wear a sleep monitor to play the game

  239. 239 CryEaglesCry said at 1:02 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Yeah but they aren’t good enough. Just like the Eagles.

  240. 240 ACViking said at 12:53 PM on November 30th, 2015:


    All I did was, for the sake of discussion, take the Haden story at face value . . . and then gather facts.

    What’s wrong with that exercise?

  241. 241 CryEaglesCry said at 12:54 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    It was probably Marcus Allen.

  242. 242 ACViking said at 12:55 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Don’t see the connection.

    But, since I have no first-hand knowledge — and you’ve viewed the exercise as a “stretch” — I’ll stop here.

  243. 243 CryEaglesCry said at 12:55 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Marcus Allen went to USC.

  244. 244 ACViking said at 12:57 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Of course he did. Played FB for Charles White before moving to HB and winning the Heisman.

    What I meant is I see no connection between Marcus Allen and Chip Kelly’s time in the NFL.

  245. 245 CryEaglesCry said at 12:58 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    but you saw a connection between Jason Peters and the offensive lineman on the Cowboys? Like they tweeted to each other about whether they like Chip Kelly? Are you serious?

  246. 246 ACViking said at 1:01 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Do you think players who make the Pro Bowl together don’t talk while in Hawaii about what playing for a particular coach is like? Or with a particular player?

    Or when new teammates arrive from other teams, players aren’t curious what it was like on their former team?

    Maybe not. Maybe players don’t talk face to face about these sorts of things.

    It was an assumption I made — since, in my business, we do exactly that — in addressing the Haden story.

  247. 247 CryEaglesCry said at 1:03 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    No I don’t think they talk about that.

  248. 248 TypicalDouche said at 1:05 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    AC don’t waste your time on that troll. He’s the one with the constant name changing that trolls this board regularly. Your well said and insightful comments are too advanced for someone of that trolls small intellect.

  249. 249 ACViking said at 1:06 PM on November 30th, 2015:


    I’ve surrendered.

  250. 250 Julescat said at 12:59 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    he and his sock puppet are trolling this fake story

  251. 251 Jernst said at 1:37 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    AC, you are dealing with a troll, my friend. CryEaglesCry is a troll. A troll is sad person who goes online and takes the most absurdly contrarian stances against everyone who’s willing to respond. They do this because they enjoy irritating people with their irrationality and constant taunting and because they like getting a rise out of people. They feed on your frustrated responses and arguing with them. The best way to deal with trolls is to ignore them entirely. When they no longer get the rise they crave from other posters they go away, and our lovely message board goes back to being a pleasant place for logical and rational football talk.

  252. 252 fran35 said at 3:37 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Quality research. You my friend, are the consummate Barrister. I would hate to be cross examined by you on one of my investigations. Please tell me that you use your powers for good and are a Prosecutor.

  253. 253 Jernst said at 12:52 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    So Matt Barkley didn’t like Chip or playing in his offense

  254. 254 CryEaglesCry said at 12:54 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Or didn’t like wearing sleep monitors.

  255. 255 Call Me Carlos the Dwarf said at 12:37 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Honestly, I think you’re underestimating the impact of losing guys like McCoy on our culture.

    LeSean is an arrogant asshole, and arrogant assholes fucking hate to lose.

    I’m sure guys like Murray and Bradford love winning, but I’m not sure whether they hate losing in quite the same way.

  256. 256 ChoTime said at 2:07 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    What do tiger woods,michael jordan, tom brady, kobe bryant have in common?

  257. 257 anon said at 2:12 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    All married model? All have shoe deals?

  258. 258 RobNE said at 2:40 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Name 4 people that have never been in Cliff Claven’s kitchen.

  259. 259 Call Me Carlos the Dwarf said at 2:47 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    They’re arrogant assholes, and they hate losing more than they like winning.

  260. 260 botto said at 1:01 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    the good news is in this off season we really on need 2 things:
    1. a defense
    2. an offense

  261. 261 CryEaglesCry said at 1:02 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Yup Chip Kelly loaded up on Thanksgiving Turkey then shit the Eagles right out of his asshole the next morning. This team is so filled with turds. We need 4 new starters on the offensive line alone.

  262. 262 Nailed It! said at 1:01 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Chip said he never spoke with USC, I don’t know what is going on. He is extremely adamant about this and claims he was not even in Philly on friday as the report claims.

  263. 263 ACViking said at 1:02 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    When Kelly says that neither he nor his agent had any contact of any kind with any person employed by or acting on behalf of USC, then I’ll know for sure he had zero contact.

    Not saying he did.

    Just lawyering his statement.

  264. 264 CryEaglesCry said at 1:03 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Even if he says that he isn’t under oath. People lie all the time.

  265. 265 ACViking said at 1:03 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    True that.

  266. 266 nicolajNN said at 1:19 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Chip Kelly said his agent didn't talk to USC either.— Jeff McLane (@Jeff_McLane) November 30, 2015

  267. 267 anon said at 1:26 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    interesting that he wasn’t in philly, but reporter said they met in philly. No USC sources seem to be on record.

  268. 268 anon said at 1:09 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Big difference between touched base and met with. Hard to tell which program is the bigger dumpster fire .

  269. 269 Nailed It! said at 1:12 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    USC? Going to the Pac 12 championship with incredible recruiting classes every year. Not really a dumpster fire. They just need a coach who isn’t a drunk

  270. 270 Julescat said at 1:14 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    USC fans don’t want Pac 12 titles. They want national titles.

  271. 271 Nailed It! said at 1:17 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Of course not. But all in all with what has happened with the coaches this season, about as much as you can ask for

  272. 272 anon said at 1:25 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    we’re in the race in our division too

  273. 273 Nailed It! said at 1:16 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    The reporters are brutal today. Pulling no punches on Chip.

  274. 274 daveH said at 1:34 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Wish i could hear it

  275. 275 anon said at 2:24 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    You didn’t miss much.

    This is basically what Chip says:

    1) Billy D and the defense: I have confidence — up to two weeks ago they were playing well
    2) ILB position: They’re terrible. Kiko has an excuse, Kendricks doesn’t
    3) Rowe: ok for a rookie
    4) Cooper / Austin: Says Austin is a vet presence in the lockerroom / meetingroom. Says they look at Austin / Cooper together — 30 for 500yds is ok.
    5) USC: Chip hasn’t met with any college, wasn’t even in Philly Friday.
    6) Player attitudes: people get down when they’re losing, players care about winning but aren’t at the moment
    7) Rethinking Methods: offseason
    8) New Players: the roster is the roster — generally nothing good on the street. Backups have a chance to expand roles, likes what Barner is doing.

  276. 276 daveH said at 6:31 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Thank you.
    I think we all acknowledge his idiocy w comment 5 from what i can tell.. wtf does being in philly have to do with a job offer.. unless location of someone was part of the scenario.

  277. 277 anon said at 7:50 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    There was a “report” (a tweet) that he met w/ USC in philly on friday.

  278. 278 Nailed It! said at 1:29 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Really can’t wait to see what Belichick’s scheme does to our culture. #missmatchcity

  279. 279 daveH said at 1:35 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    And he leads the league in injuries.. think the refs helped the broncos a ton ladt night

  280. 280 xmbk said at 2:39 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    No offense to your bud, but this article is infinitely more thoughtful and analytical than Kempski’s. He seems ready to jump off a bridge over the state of the team.

  281. 281 anon said at 2:41 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    agree, be interesting to see Tommy’s take on why Kempski’s been so negative this year.

  282. 282 GermanEagle said at 2:48 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    No sex.

  283. 283 anon said at 2:52 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    But RW and TT seem super happy

  284. 284 GermanEagle said at 2:54 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Lol. Honestly I haven’t seen Jimmy that negative, and he was like that even before the season started. I strongly believe he needs to get laid.

  285. 285 SteveH said at 7:08 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    You be the one to tell his missus. I’ll not say a word personally.

  286. 286 ChoTime said at 7:08 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Given the way the season has played out, why are people being critical of Jimmy being negative before the season started? Doesn’t that mean he was right?

  287. 287 CryEaglesCry said at 2:52 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    He’s a troll.

  288. 288 xmbk said at 2:41 PM on December 1st, 2015:

    Seems like a lot of reporters take Kelly personally. I read the press notes, and they come off as a bunch of immature brats.

  289. 289 GermanEagle said at 2:59 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Since Gronk is ‘week to week’ there’s no chance he will play against the Eagles, right?! I mean he’s only human?!

  290. 290 ChoTime said at 3:12 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Thus team has lost as many games as Chip did in 4 years at Oregon.

  291. 291 Sean Stott said at 3:42 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    I liked CK’s PC today. There’s no quit in him. Also, anyone who reported on the college stuff is completely full of it, and I’m getting sick and tired of the beat writers making shit up and just going with it.

  292. 292 GermanEagle said at 4:00 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    I may be in the minority here, but I really hope that Chip won’t quit nor Lurie will fire him after only 3 seasons.
    However history has shown that Lurie was willing to give head coaches at least 4 years before pulling the trigger!

  293. 293 Joe Minx said at 6:02 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Beat writers making shit up & just going with it…….

    That’s like asking the sun not to rise & set tomorrow.

  294. 294 SteveH said at 3:52 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Pats are going to be down Edelman, Gronk and Lewis when we play them.

  295. 295 GermanEagle said at 3:59 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    …and still LaFell will catch 21 balls for 257 Yards and 3 TDs…

  296. 296 Baloophi said at 4:09 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Ahh… the bygone era of three minute montages.

    Also, I fear that in this montage, the Eagles are the ocean, the speed bag and the shorts with the tiny inseam…

  297. 297 Nelson ALGore said at 3:57 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    New York Jets released defensive end Quinton Coples on Monday…

    We should put in a claim on waivers and if we get him plug him in at OG. He has first round talent!

  298. 298 anon said at 3:59 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    too late he went to Miami i think.

  299. 299 anon said at 4:04 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Eagles making lots of roster churn today, signed Barret Jones, coached by Stoulland, Mike Lee 6’1″ 185 corner that was with Falcons and LB Brandon Hepburn

  300. 300 ACViking said at 4:10 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    At whose expense?

  301. 301 anon said at 4:13 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Had a Julian V., Caroll III to IR, they also moved up a PS player last week (WR)

  302. 302 Baloophi said at 4:13 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    For who? For what?!

  303. 303 TypicalDouche said at 4:49 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    If only Barrett Jones was just a quarter percent in the pros of the college player he was then I would be excited but for a guy that was so effective and so good in college he really stunk it up in the pros. I think the best the Eagles can hope for is getting lucky with a Mathis 2.0.

  304. 304 anon said at 4:12 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Pat Haden told me #USC did not interview Chip Kelly.

  305. 305 GermanEagle said at 5:03 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    He’s got your number?! 😉

  306. 306 Insomniac said at 5:22 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    how can you ever doubt the inside sources that people have here?

  307. 307 anon said at 6:03 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    sorry – was a from a tweet- retweeted by Kempski

  308. 308 GermanEagle said at 6:42 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    I know I know I know, mate.

  309. 309 Baloophi said at 4:19 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Had Chip taken the USC job, at least some people in Los Angeles would’ve enjoyed much shorter drive times.

    That’s. Not. Bad.

  310. 310 jaws80 said at 8:58 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    how does your mind work? seriously. did it just come to you out of nowhere, “USC job taken… traffic is awful in LA…Chip’s drives are short, …” it must just come to people with wit, very jealous.

  311. 311 ACViking said at 4:22 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Re: Sunday’s Historical Odds

    Since going 9-7 in 2002 — the past 12+ seasons — the Patriots have not lost a home game following a road loss after the month of September.

    And losing at home after a road loss has happened only once, in 2012.
    Pats lost to the eventual SB Champion Ravens 31-30 on 9/23 in G-3 of the season — after a road loss to the Kevin Kolb-led Cardinals 20-18.

    Heck, since 2002, the Patriots have lost 2 straight only twice. In 2009.

    Besides the Cards-Ravens losses, the Pats lost back-to-back road games to the Dolphins and eventual SB Champion Saints in G-12, G-13 (11/30, 12/06).

    Of course, the past is no predictor of what’ll happen next week in the NFL.

    But I’d say the Eagles have a sheer up-hill climb.

  312. 312 SteveH said at 4:27 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Ahh who am I kidding, there’s no miraculous run in this team.

  313. 313 anon said at 4:40 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    No Gronk, Edelman, Amendola, Dion Lewis, we may have a shot. Though i’m not sure can score.

  314. 314 ACViking said at 4:47 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Brady and Belichick v. Bradford and Kelly.

    I’ll take the home team. And bet the house.

  315. 315 ACViking said at 4:52 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Pats have been without Gronk before post-Randy Moss/Wes Welker era.

    And Pats always seem to win at home after a road loss.

  316. 316 daveH said at 10:26 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    no danny amendola, no dion lewis, no Patrick Cheung who what we crying about the Eagles ??

  317. 317 HawaiianEagle said at 5:53 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    If we dont change our schemes we will lose, regardless.

  318. 318 Insomniac said at 5:21 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Brady mad. Brady smash weak birdies.

  319. 319 HawaiianEagle said at 5:54 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Look out!! Sammy turning GREEN!!!

  320. 320 CryEaglesCry said at 5:29 PM on November 30th, 2015:


    Patriots will put up NFL Record 72 points against Eagles. They will show Chip Loser Kelly how a hurry up offense can be successful.

  321. 321 Tumtum said at 9:32 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Is that really the record? Very attainable.

  322. 322 jaws80 said at 7:11 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    try to check out Jenkins from Eskin questions on WIP, replaying a lot of it now – Jenkins is as clear as he can be saying coaches have not held players accountable, so he as a leader on the team cant hold the players accountable, that it comes from the coaches first, then the leaders on the team can follow through. Whether or not Jenkins should feel handcuffed by the coaches not to call other players out, he is definitely saying what many fans have been saying (most guessing at) but now we know in the locker room, behind closed doors, the coaches are perceived by leaders of the team as being too easy on players messing up etc.
    he says, “as a team we do not hold anyone accountable for what they do on the field”
    that is damning and explains how you get to where they are right now. Cooper, Miles, Maxwell, Kendricks, etc… not afraid at all to return to the locker room after a game, to return to practice after a game, there will be no consequences to bad playing, to checking out, to just cashing in a paycheck. It will all be, “we all made mistakes, we need to individually look within yourself, figure out what you did wrong and clear it up.”

  323. 323 Media Mike said at 7:22 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    I hear this interview in the car and almost puked all over the steering wheel.

    Jenkins also said that the D was predictable in the red zone and that lead to just as many scores allowed as blown assignments did.


  324. 324 anon said at 7:27 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    his missed tackles not helping, but agree — they don’t make any moves in-season, hoping they’ll get good play out of players BIlly B is the ultimate accountability person and that seems to work well for them.

  325. 325 myartz04 said at 7:32 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Wow. Case in point. Chris Harper just recently got called up from the practice squad and he’s already been cut because of one muffed punt. That is accountability my friend.

  326. 326 Media Mike said at 8:01 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    They don’t play games up there. I hope Chip is paying attention.

  327. 327 jaws80 said at 7:47 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    yeah, heard the predictable thing when doing something else, and was like, “who said that?” couldnt be Jenkins, a player, calling own defense too predictable. Jenkins from his play and his honesty is a favorite.

    Barwin was also on today and just replayed his quote, you can hear anger in his voice, how there are at least a couple, i think, of players he would like to call out, but cant because he is on the radio.
    Maxwell – easy, maybe too obvious.
    Kendricks – seemed all over the place in game, in a bad way

  328. 328 Mitchell said at 7:32 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Jenkins spoke out? Hope we all didnt care for him too much. Hes as good as gone next year. Haha

  329. 329 Jernst said at 8:05 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Conversely…the Patriots had a WR, Chris Harper, one of their only remaining healthy WRs, muff a punt in snowy weather. Within 24 hours he was cut.

  330. 330 Insomniac said at 11:22 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    So if Belichick was the coach on this team, we would probably have like 2 WRs left. Agholor and Ajirotutu.

  331. 331 Jernst said at 4:58 PM on December 1st, 2015:

    And you’re upset by the loss of Austin and Cooper, why?

  332. 332 Insomniac said at 1:30 AM on December 2nd, 2015:

    Don’t you put emotions in my mouth sir. It will be a glorious day when Cooper is gone.

  333. 333 Jernst said at 10:17 AM on December 2nd, 2015:

    My apologies, fine sir. I mistook your statement of fact as a statement of disappointment.

  334. 334 ChoTime said at 9:11 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Interesting, you guys think people perform better getting fired for one mistake. I know I don’t, it would just make me nervous and play not to lose.

  335. 335 jeffrey grandstrom said at 7:59 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Priceless > “That’s like being the Detmer with the weakest arm.”

  336. 336 laeagle said at 8:05 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Weather Channel Alert: the trolls are out in force today. We’re seeing another name change show up on Doppler radar as well, so be on the lookout. Incidents of trolls liking their own posts using different names are also on the rise.

    Just remember, the best way to handle the trolls is to treat them like everyone else in their lives does: pretend they don’t exist.

    Be safe out there, people!

  337. 337 Jernst said at 8:15 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    This. Times 1 million.

  338. 338 Joe Minx said at 12:00 AM on December 1st, 2015:

    This doesn’t hurt either.

  339. 339 Flyineagle45 said at 10:11 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Should prob get lax or back in the fold as qb coach

  340. 340 A_T_G said at 11:00 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    Assuming that was Lazor, agreed.

  341. 341 BobSmith77 said at 10:49 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    So now Jenkins and Barwin are basically openly questioning Davis’ leadership and play calling?

    Red flag. When you have key veterans doing that it signals the beginning of the end for a coach.

  342. 342 JoeBlow said at 11:38 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    At least were not Cleveland

  343. 343 anon said at 11:40 PM on November 30th, 2015:


  344. 344 JoeBlow said at 11:40 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    i was just expecting them to miss it….but that was really cruel

  345. 345 anon said at 11:41 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    really puts our issues in perspective. Gotta be hell being a browns fan.

  346. 346 JoeBlow said at 11:44 PM on November 30th, 2015:

    there is a little fan made documentary on youtube called “only in cleveland” that goes over the history of the Browns since their return to the NFL. It’s only 24 minutes long but it’s pretty good and i think will help any fan of any other team feel better about their teams situation

  347. 347 kimsarah said at 1:36 AM on December 1st, 2015:

    At least the Sixers admit to tanking.

  348. 348 shah8 said at 12:32 PM on December 2nd, 2015:

    but Riley Cooper is still here.