Lurie Speaks

Posted: March 22nd, 2016 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 367 Comments »

Jeff Lurie met with the media today at the NFL owners meetings and spoke for about 15 minutes on a variety of topics. he had some very interesting things to say. has the video.

Probably the most interesting comments came late in the talk. Lurie was asked about whether it was a mistake to go all-in with Chip Kelly last year. Lurie explained that he felt he had to go all-in to find out if Chip really was the guy to lead the team. By giving him all the power, Lurie could hold Kelly accountable if things didn’t work out. If they did work as hoped, the right guy would be in control.

I think Lurie absolutely made the right move. I was a Chip Kelly fan (and still am). He’s an unorthodox coach and you could see by his personnel moves that he wasn’t going to be conventional on that side of things either. You had to give Kelly freedom to try things his way.

When you have a unique head coach, you have to roll the dice a bit. Think how different history would be if Jimmy Johnson had been straddled with a veteran GM. The Herschel Walker trade would have never been made. Johnson was a wheeler and dealer that did more trading than the rest of the league combined. A veteran GM would have had him go slowly and used proven methods. Johnson was given freedom. He made his ideas work.

Chip didn’t have the same kind of success. He was bold and aggressive, but just didn’t get the right players at the right time or for the right price. Chip knows a lot about football, but he clearly didn’t study enough when it came to roster building, contracts, and things of that nature. The experiment was a failure, but it was worth trying. I’ve got a lot more to write about Chip, but I’ll save that for a dead period in May or June.

Back to Lurie.

He was asked about the search for the new head of player personnel. Lurie explained that the Eagles had two windows of opportunity. The first came back in January and the next one will be after the draft. The Eagles looked around and talked to some people early on, but weren’t blown away. They were only willing to hire someone at that point if they candidate felt too good to risk losing.

Once the draft is over, Lurie and Howie Roseman will conduct more interviews to try and find the right guy. This is a tricky situation. The Eagles aren’t looking for a GM, but they also aren’t looking for an up and comer with limited experience.

Lurie explained that Roseman will be the head of football operations. That is going to combine a variety of different areas. It will be more than just watching tape and making personnel decisions. Lurie then talked at length about RFIDs and the information they’ll be providing to teams. Lurie basically went all sports science on us. He wants to be able to take that information and combine it with scouting reports and more traditional tools to make the best decisions possible.

The new person will come in to be more of a traditional personnel director, although Lurie didn’t get into detail on the exact power structure and things of that nature. As he’s hinted in the past, he will likely fine tune the position to the person who gets the job. A younger person will have less power. An experienced personnel executive will have more of a say.

I have no problem with the Eagles taking their time to find the right guy. Once the draft is over, they will have a larger pool of candidates and that should help them to hire a better person. Obviously there are no guarantees. They could be very thorough and very patient and still make a crappy hire.

Lurie mentioned that while Roseman was out of the loop last year he went out and studied the top organizations in other leagues and sports to try and figure out what made them successful. I couldn’t help but think about this note from Gregg Popovich, the highly successful coach of the San Antonio Spurs.

“For us, it’s easy. We’re looking for character, but what the hell does that mean? We’re looking for people — and I’ve said it many times — that have gotten over themselves. And you can tell that pretty quick. You can talk to somebody for four or five minutes, and you can tell if it’s about them or if they understand that they’re just a piece of the puzzle. So we look for that.

“A sense of humor is a huge thing with us. You’ve got to be able to laugh. You’ve got to be able to take a dig, give a dig, that sort of thing, and feel comfortable in your own skin that you don’t have all the answers. People who are participatory. The guys in the film room can tell me what they think of how we played last night if they want to. Sean Marks would sit in on our coaches meetings when we’re arguing about how to play the pick-and-roll or who we’re going to play or who we’re going to sit.

“We need people who can handle information and not take it personally because in most of these organizations, there’s a big divide. All of the sudden, the wall goes up between management and coaching, and everybody is ready to blame back and forth. And that’s the rule, rather than the exception. It just happens, but that’s about people. It’s about finding people who have all those kinds of qualities, so we do our best to look for that, and when somebody comes, they figure it out pretty quick.”

Since coming back, Roseman has tried to make more jokes. He’ll never be mistaken for Richard Pryor or Robin Williams, but I don’t recall him joking around much at all in the past. Maybe the humbling experience of 2015 will prove to be really valuable.

I know some people aren’t sold and think Roseman hasn’t changed at all. They see him doing and saying all the right things, but just don’t buy it. They see it as an act. Those people could be right, but there is the possibility that Roseman was affected by the demotion and then meeting the people he did.

Lurie talked about the high failure rate with draft picks and free agents throughout the NFL. He’s right about that. Go look at the track record of a great coach like Bill Belichick or a great GM like Ozzie Newsome and you’ll see failure after failure. There are just so many external factors at play that it makes it tough for players to succeed long term. Lurie’s goal is to gather as much information as possible and use that to help the Eagles choose more wisely when signing/picking players. This will be a mixture of analytics, sports science and good old fashioned tape-watching, with also lots of character study mixed in.

Lurie made a great point that I don’t think enough people get. He talked about the Eagles responsibility to help players after getting big contracts. A young football player might make $800,000 a year. Then he hits free agency and gets $8M a year. $800K is a lot of dough, but $8M is life changing.  You don’t want to just hand that guy the money and say “Good luck”. Help him with financial advice. Help him deal with family issues. Money can be a burden to some, especially young guys. They need someone to guide them through the process of dealing with money.

He also mentioned “integrating the player into the program”. Again, this is important. You want the player to fit into the team on the field, but also off it. He needs to see the Eagle way of doing things and become part of that. I’ve talked before about how Malcolm Jenkins feels like a lifetime Eagle. He just has that vibe. Same for Connor Barwin. And DeMeco Ryans.

Speaking of Ryans, Lurie went out of his way to praise him. That was a nice thing to do. And then Lurie took the time to mention Cedric Thornton. I liked that. The Eagles had more of a family atmosphere when Big Red was here. I think Lurie is definitely trying to get back to that. You might leave the Eagles, but you’ll always be part of the family. And you might even get to come back some day.

More simplistically, Lurie said he expected the Eagles to compete for the NFC East title this year. He then talked about short term, mid-term and long term goals. Obviously the team is not in “win now” mode. They want to win now, but aren’t loading up on veterans and taking crazy chances.

Lurie also said the Eagles would like to add a QB in the draft. He talked about how the team used to draft them on a regular basis in the past (McNabb, Feeley, Andy Hall, Kolb). They don’t always pan out, but QBs are invaluable. Roll the dice. If you win, you can win big.


367 Comments on “Lurie Speaks”

  1. 1 Lurie Speaks - said at 11:09 PM on March 22nd, 2016:

    […] Tommy Lawlor Jeff Lurie met with the media today at the NFL owners meetings and spoke for about 15 minutes on a […]

  2. 2 shah8 said at 11:14 PM on March 22nd, 2016:

    Cian Fahey did a page on Vernon Adams, and I was very impressed with the clips that he used. Adam’s plays pop off the screen the way a legit QB prospect should, He’s short, and radar gun has him at 53mph, which is too low. Definitely a worthwhile round three QB pick if we want to be more conservative.

  3. 3 Jack Waggoner said at 11:51 PM on March 22nd, 2016:

    Chip will probably take him

  4. 4 Mitchell said at 12:01 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    You mean DAY(not round) three qb pick, right?

  5. 5 Media Mike said at 5:18 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    No thank you.

  6. 6 TypicalDouche said at 6:31 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    The Eagles already have a 5’11 backup QB on the roster.

  7. 7 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:48 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Chase is like 5’9

  8. 8 A_T_G said at 3:35 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

  9. 9 Gian GEAGLE said at 6:14 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Hahahaha, and they used to list me at 6’5, when im not an inch over 6’3

  10. 10 A_T_G said at 9:16 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    You went to the combine?!

  11. 11 TypicalDouche said at 3:38 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    That was an exaggeration from Brunell. Daniel is a solid 5’11.

  12. 12 Gian GEAGLE said at 6:14 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Brunnell is 5″11 and chase is legit shorter than Brunnell

  13. 13 TypicalDouche said at 6:35 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Brunell is 6’1. Don’t really know why you are believing much of what he says anyways, h was laughing when he made the comment so take it with a grain of salt brother. Plus who the hell is Brunell anyways that anyone would believe him on height parameters.

  14. 14 Gary Barnes said at 12:15 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Exactly and that is why accountability is important and knowing who to hold accountable is important for an organization.

    I’m glad Lurie finally stated publicly Roseman is in charge. We all knew it, but again it is important to be transparent and eliminate the tendency for the media especially, but also fans, to speculate about power struggles, final say etc. Roseman is the guy now.

  15. 15 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:04 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Accountability issue is over stated,,. If we fail, I would think most of this regime will be shown the door…. It’s not like Roseman would be the only person fired if we fail…. More than accountability, think it’s important to have the best talent evaluators possible, but a group that can also work together well instead of always being at each other’s throat

  16. 16 Gary Barnes said at 11:17 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Not at all, understanding and enforcement of accountability is fundamental in all organizations. Organizations that lack accountability, think of the previous regimes of the Phillies and Flyers as recent examples, will not be successful in the majority of cases.

    When people like Amaro and Holmgren are given high level jobs they did not deserve and they flop, they should be sent packing or demoted. Instead they were retained in the same position until reality could not be ignored any longer. That was a symptom of those rotten organizations. Only when ownership/management changed (Phillies) or ownership finally brought in a competent leader (Flyers) did the turn arounds start.

    That is also why Chip needed to go because he constantly dodged accountability, blamed others and made excuses.
    Organizations that weed out the incompetents quickly and effectively and replace them with competent producers do the best.

    Regarding finding and hiring the best talent evaluators, that is part of what Roseman is accountable for in his job. Absolutely, that needs to be done along with the best talent developers/coaches as well. If we do not succeed in these roles, then eventually Roseman will and should be held accountable.

  17. 17 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:46 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Feel like Regimes are more often fired than just one individual scapegoated… If this current regime Fails, Roseman won’t be the only one getting fired, I would assume a full house cleaning will follow Howies eventual firing (especially if he is fired in the next 3 years)
    I would think after all our front office drama, it would behoove this current regime to work well together and respect each other, or LURIE will completely clean house

  18. 18 mksp said at 12:19 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Thanks for the note on the Spurs Tommy, that was great.

  19. 19 Henly Rodriguez said at 12:27 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Always nice to read a nugget on Popovich.

  20. 20 Cafone said at 12:34 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I think a lot of people want a head of player personnel who has power as a check to Howie Roseman on player evaluations. I’d rather keep the power in Roseman’s hands and focus on a candidate who is a good administrator and can run a department of 20 or so people (or however many they have working in scouting). The last thing we need is a “football guy” with no executive skills.

  21. 21 Henly Rodriguez said at 12:40 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I agree. The key for Howie will be to pick the right talent evaluators for his scouting department in the long run.

  22. 22 Henly Rodriguez said at 12:35 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Lurie is the man. A lot of people wondered what his affection with Howie was all about and how he has been able to stick around for this long. It has been for good reason. When I read that Howie was gathering knowledge on how other successful organizations operate, it was relieving, exciting and it showed that Howie was committed to growth and wanted to learn from his mistakes. We all know of the hard work he has put in to get to where he is. And with time, he may just turn out to be a very successful GM in this league one day. The potential is certainly there.

  23. 23 DanJ3645 said at 3:10 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Howie showed a growth mindset 🙂

  24. 24 Ankerstjernen said at 8:34 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    It’s funny ’cause it’s true..

  25. 25 BlindChow said at 10:47 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Howie Roseman = HR
    Henly Rodriguez = HR

  26. 26 Henly Rodriguez said at 12:12 PM on March 24th, 2016:

    Ya got me

  27. 27 Media Mike said at 5:19 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I need to here Lurie speak on getting Philly to host a Superbowl. Woody Johnson is rudely talking up getting a 2nd one for NY. F that. We deserve to host one first.

  28. 28 Dave said at 7:38 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    We’d be competing with Pittsburgh too…

  29. 29 Jernst said at 10:15 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    ew Pittsburgh

  30. 30 laeagle said at 11:18 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    fuck that cultureless pit.

    Sorry, channeling Media mike. But seriously, f them.

  31. 31 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:06 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Meh…. Id rather force the Eagles to earn a SUPERBOWL, instead of watching two other Teams I hate playing for The Lombardi on the Eagles field… I can do without a Super Bowl in philly

  32. 32 Forthebirds said at 11:09 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    As a fan,. I think it would be more bitter than sweet, but It would mean a lot for the city financially.

  33. 33 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:44 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Rather have another UFC event in Philly… Stimulates the economy for a week, I get to watch Cage fights live, and I don’t have to watch some team I hate celebrate a Lombardi in our nest..
    The Mayhem the Pope brought with him to Philly was a bit much… I assume a Super Bowl would bring similar mayhem… But I can’t hate on the economical advantages of it

  34. 34 Media Mike said at 3:16 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Duh. We’d host AND win the game.

  35. 35 E.A.G.L.E.S said at 6:27 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Theres a big difference between Jimmy Johnson and Kelly. Johnson got a boat load for Walker, while Kelly got nothing for our star players.

  36. 36 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:01 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Pederson said we are going back to Normal NFL schedule, Monday’s off. Tuesday meetings, and practice the rest of the week
    In typical chip Fashion, he blamed Roseman for the Maxwell and Murray contracts…. Smh.. Love that our Hack media is peppering Chip with tôugh questions this morning, making him sweat.. Gold star for philly media

  37. 37 A_T_G said at 9:18 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Brooms should certainly help Kelce keep the middle clean.

    I thought the “normal” schedule was traditionally Tuesday off and Monday was a Chip change that was catching on.

  38. 38 Jernst said at 10:14 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    No. Typically teams take Monday, the day after the game off and start work Tuesday. Chip’s sport science showed that athletes heal better if they work out the day after a huge athletic exertion like a marathon or NFL game and rest the day after that light workout. There’s some studies that show that it’s bad to let the body cool down to complete rest the very next day and it’s better to slowly notch things down after a big event before taking your day of rest.

  39. 39 A_T_G said at 2:31 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    “Instead of giving the team its day off on Tuesday during the regular season, as 31 others teams do, he’s giving his team Mondays off instead.

    “Our players’ day off will be Monday, the day after the game, and then we’ll practice Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday and then play,” Kelly said Thursday.”

  40. 40 Jernst said at 9:35 AM on March 24th, 2016:

    Alright then…I stand completely corrected. Did you like how confident I was in my completely wrong response though? Haha

  41. 41 A_T_G said at 10:16 AM on March 24th, 2016:

    I was completely sold.

  42. 42 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:42 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Tuesday is just a meeting day, Monday is off… But half the players today come in to work out, or watch Film on Their off days anyway

  43. 43 A_T_G said at 2:32 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Chip and CBS Sports disagree with you.

  44. 44 Gian GEAGLE said at 6:13 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Good thing I’m talking about Pederson

  45. 45 A_T_G said at 9:19 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Click on the damn link.

    Chip changed it to Monday’s off when the whole league was doing Tuesdays. Pederson is following in Chip’s pattern. Which is good. Not everything Chip touched is poisoned.

  46. 46 RobNE said at 9:38 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    so Taco Tuesday and Fast food Friday are back?

  47. 47 eagleyankfan said at 8:09 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Going from college to 800K is a game changer in my book. Guess I grew up in a different neighborhood than most….

  48. 48 Jernst said at 8:28 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I know players can be a terrible source of information, especially when talking about on field performance and even worse so when talking about themselves, but I think it’s also important to recognize when common sentiments about their relationships with the front office keep coming up. Almost to a man, players seemed to hate dealing with Joe Banner and seemed to harbor a good amount of animosity towards him, while they always loved Reid and spoke of him like a father figure. I thought it was very telling that word had spread enough throughout the players leaguewide that Frank Gore would back out of a deal to come here because of what he had heard about playing for Chip. Add in the nearly unanimous negative sentiments shared by departing players and it was easy to see that a problem was forming.

    Conversely, players almost unanimously praise Mr Lurie and speak highly of him as an owner and Howie has been able to follow a lot of Banners theories about cap structure and locking up young players without being so cut throat as to make the player feel like they’re being screwed. While these things are not the MOST IMPORTANT component to building a winning organization, I think it would be foolish to discount them as completely meaningless.

    Players want to come play for the Philadelphia Eagles and they want to play for Jeffery Lurie and they like/have tremendous faith in doing fair business with Howie. All these things will certainly help as we try to rebuild this team. It’s very possible that if Chip was given a few more years to construct his roster that he’d learn from the mistakes of this past year, find a guy that could manage the cap with his full respect and build a contending roster, but he’d always be at a disadvantage with the interpersonal side of things and the concern that he’d rub enough key players the wrong way with his personality and his unorthodox methods that they’d start to tune him out.

    Chip really needs to be able to build a team almost exclusively through the draft so that he can mold the players into loyal soldiers right out of college, and he needs continued, uninterrupted success to keep veterans buying in. Unfortunately, I think he’s naturally just too impatient to do so and will have more of the same problems in the near future. I can see Chip becoming a supremely successful coach, but I see his path looking more like Pete Carrolls than Bill Belicheck’s. He’s a guy that might return to college after a few unsuccessful stints before he’s able to change his rigid mind to the realities of NFL roster management.

  49. 49 A_T_G said at 9:15 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    It almost seems like Chip was emulating the douchy, grumpy parts of Belichek and planning on the respect and success to follow, instead of the other way around.

  50. 50 RobNE said at 9:37 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I had not heard Gore changed his mind because of Chip.

  51. 51 Jernst said at 10:11 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Yea it was reported many times (or I should say, at the very least, it was strongly insinuated by many reporters and multiple sources) around the time Gore backed out. Then you had McCoy who (…I know…you have to take what he says with a grain of salt) said that he personally called Gore and told him what it was like playing on Kelly and told him back out if he could.

    Obviously, there were probably other issues that pushed him in that direction, but it seemed pretty obvious that, at the least, word had gotten back to Gore that the Eagles under Chip Kelly were a sinking ship being headed by an egomaniacal dictator that treated veteran players like children and that that had a significant effect on his decision as well.

  52. 52 RobNE said at 10:48 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I must not have read IB that day or those days. Shame on me.

  53. 53 Jernst said at 11:04 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Unacceptable behavior!

  54. 54 Jack Waggoner said at 2:40 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I always thought Reid and Banner were doing Good Cop Bad Cop when negotiating with players

  55. 55 Nailed It! said at 9:33 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Interesting hearing Chip basically say Howie structured all contracts last year and Chip had no input. Chip almost claiming Howie sabotaged him from that stand point.

  56. 56 RobNE said at 9:36 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    there’s no F way Howie decided to give the Murray contract. Just no way.

  57. 57 Jernst said at 9:43 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I doubt Howie would ever have chosen to give Murray that contract on his own. But, if Chip says to Howie, I want you to sign Murray go get it done, I’m not planning on signing any other FAs, so just go sign him with the remaining space we have, I can easily see Howie moving forward and structuring the contract to fit Chip’s wishes, while leaving him an out that would allow him to potentially trade Murray if need be.

  58. 58 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:40 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    HOWIE WOULDNT just want a guy like Murray at all costs. Even if Howie has interested in Murray, there would be a walk away point where the Money no longer makes Murray attractive… Since Chip had no concept of Value, I assume what Roseman ended up giving Murray was the only way HOWIE could give chip the player that chip demanded..

  59. 59 daveH said at 9:44 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I think chip uses semantics and thats how he justfies that he is not a liar .. i think he forced the Murray deal down the franchise throat and wtf is demoted Roseman left to do but sign the f in dude for whatever

  60. 60 RobNE said at 9:46 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I agree with you, but that is NOT structuring the contract. Sure, like “Howie give him what he wants” then you say Howie structured it.

    If he fought for and won personnel control, how can it be that Howie was really structuring the deals?

  61. 61 daveH said at 9:49 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Because Chip would cry and get howie in trouble if he didn’t sign his guys. .. like telling Lurie, “im trying to make all this schit fall into place and Howie is blocking it.. all”

  62. 62 Jernst said at 10:04 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Structuring the deal sounds to me like semantics. Of course Howie structured the deal. Chip doesn’t have a law degree or the knowledge to write incredibly complex NFL contracts. And, Howie was the contract guy at the time. So if Chip calls up Murray and says come to Philly we want to sign you and Murray decides he wants to come to Philly as well, it would be up to Howie to structure the deal (How much money is signing bonus vs roster bonus, how much of the guarantee is in the form of signing bonus vs high first and second year salaries, are they fully guaranteed or guaranteed for just injury, how long is the deal, what are the base salaries going to be in future years, how much language is used to offset our financial obligation if he’s cut or traded…these would all be where Howie comes in and “structures” the contract).

    But, the decision to pursue and subsequently sign Murray in the first place, the decision to use substantial cap resources on Murray (or really any starting RB) and the decision to ultimately match his agents contractual demands were all, most likely Chip’s. The decision to structure the contract cap-wise the way it ultimately was, after all the other much more important decisions were already made by Chip, was obviously Howie’s.

    Chip makes it sound like he then can’t be held accountable for Murray’s burdensome contract that he vastly underperformed, but that’s completely disingenuous. Howie structured the contract with a good amount of the guarantees in the form of high base salary in years one and two and not so much in the form of signing bonuses. That was what allowed us to trade him at all, even as unlikely of an outcome as that was. If Howie had structured the deal with a larger signing bonus rather than base salary, all of that money would have accelerated into this years cap and would have made it impossible to trade him AND see a financial benefit to doing so.

  63. 63 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:38 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    What Happened is basically chip would have Marynowitz pass HOWIE a note saying, get Maxwell and Murray signed no matter what, where as a Normal GM incorporates VALUE and COST into personnel decisions

  64. 64 D3FB said at 9:41 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    It’s the single most bullshit insulting thing Chip has ever said.

  65. 65 RobNE said at 9:49 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    this is why after Chip said before the last game how he wasn’t the GM, Lurie said you know why don’t you just go home.

  66. 66 Rambo said at 10:08 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Lurie said you know why don’t you just go home.

    lol…that made me laugh for real!

  67. 67 Jernst said at 10:21 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Yea…Chip playing semantics with the I’m not the GM, I just control the roster BS was the last straw with his accountability games. He clearly wanted that control. He clearly got that control. And, he clearly wanted to do everything that was ultimately done to our roster in 2015. To sit up there and deflect blame because he didn’t personally write out the contracts by hand on parchment paper or because he didn’t personally oversee the entire personnel department from film study all the way through the final evaluation is just nonsense. Especially, when he chose the guy who was eventually put in charge of the personnel departments day to day activities. All the consequential decisions were made by Chip. The ultimate structure of where and when the money was contractually dispersed were Howie’s and, honestly, those decisions were the only one’s that left us with an out to his disastrous personnel moves.

  68. 68 Stephen E. said at 12:12 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    A tip: please use commas and quotation marks. I had to read that several times before I could understand it.

  69. 69 RobNE said at 2:34 PM on March 23rd, 2016:


  70. 70 Nailed It! said at 9:52 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I mean, I have no idea how Chip can even allude to this. It is crazy. Take responsibility man!

  71. 71 D3FB said at 9:57 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Apparently he also said that despite Howie doing all this that he didn’t talk to him once.

    The reporters should have just got up and said “Your fiction isn’t even good” and just walked off.

  72. 72 Jernst said at 10:07 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    For a guy that preaches culture and personal accountability so much it’s mind boggling that he’s so averse to taking responsibility himself.

  73. 73 TypicalDouche said at 11:13 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    They had little Eddie Manywitz running posted notes back and forth from office to office like they were in highschool. The more Chip speaks the more he looks like a bitter ex-girlfriend who still isn’t over being dumped.

  74. 74 Jernst said at 11:49 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Him and McCoy were really made for each other

  75. 75 Rambo said at 10:19 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    That’s saying ALOT!

  76. 76 laeagle said at 2:17 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I don’t know, “you don’t cut talent” is pretty freaking high up on that list.

  77. 77 RobNE said at 9:45 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    this reminds me of places I have worked. there is a natural turnover (for good or bad, or for no reason at all people get let go anyway) as we all know, and some places try to treat you with respect like you are alumni, and people help others on the way out, and other places are way too personal about it and treat people leaving like crap. And that impacts the people still there, not just the people gone. The people still there will think, well one day that will be me, and this place won’t think twice or care about me after that day.

    I always thought it’s not only the better way to treat people but it comes back to you (or the place). It’s just a win-win and to do otherwise is petty and short sighted.

  78. 78 bill said at 10:22 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    “I know some people aren’t sold and think Roseman hasn’t changed at all. They see him doing and saying all the right things, but just don’t buy it. They see it as an act.”
    For good or for ill, we eventually become who we pretend to be.

  79. 79 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:35 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Right…feel free to “pretend” to be a great GM as much as possible…

  80. 80 SteveH said at 10:35 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    … Seriously?

  81. 81 Rambo said at 10:40 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    This guy.

  82. 82 Jernst said at 10:40 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I had no idea that DeSean, McCoy and Mathis weren’t talented. That certainly makes it easier to swallow their outright release.

  83. 83 since1961 said at 11:37 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Well, yeah, but Kaepernick is much better on #culture than those clowns /s

  84. 84 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:34 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Same Kaepernick who had practice canceled because Aldon Smith was looking to rip his head off for banging Aldons ex?

  85. 85 FairOaks said at 6:52 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    McCoy was traded, not cut… but point stands 🙂

  86. 86 Will:Howie is Nino Brown said at 12:08 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Trolling the Philly Media

  87. 87 mksp said at 11:35 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Really feels like Vernon Hargreaves III is gonna be the pick if we stay at #8, UNLESS Ramsey or Jack somehow fall.

    Apparently he lit up his pro day. Has all the athleticism you’d want aside from straight line speed.

    If he’s the real deal, you have your CB duo set for years with VH3 + Rowe, which will remind some fondly of Sheldon Brown + Lito Sheppherd, others of Bobby Taylor + Troy Vincent, and still others of Eric Allen + Mark McMillan.

    Rowe–McLeod–Jenkins–VH3 would be a damn good secondary.

  88. 88 Jernst said at 12:16 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I really do like VH3’s game tape and I understand that his 3 cone times and agility/acceleration numbers are more than adequate, but I’m still slightly concerned with taking him that high.

    My thoughts have more to do with value and where we’re talking about drafting him than by anything I’ve seen on tape that leads me to believe that he’s not a good CB. He’s clearly a very good college CB with enough potential to be a very good NFL QB.

    However, I feel that if you are lucky enough to draft in the top ten, you should be able to come away with a prospect who, for all intents and purposes, checks all the boxes, so to speak. A CB (and really…any position) drafted at 8th overall should be the complete package, combining elite size, speed/acceleration, and game film. VH3 has the elite game film, but he’s far from ideal in the measurables category. He lacks the size and length needed to adequately challenge bigger WRs and/or redirect smaller quicker WRs and he ALSO lacks the deep speed to adequately keep up with those WRs with jet packs attached to their legs.

    Usually, for CBs to be successful when they lack a certain measurable they need to be able to compensate in some other area, be it elite length and size to overcome their lack of speed or elite speed to overcome their lack of size. Rarely do smaller, slower CBs excel at this level. He would truly be an outlier if he did. There have been no pro-bowl CBs drafted anywhere in the last 20 years that have less than 32″ arms. VH3 has 30″ arms. There is a drastic drop off in CBs ability to even start in the NFL if they run slower than a 4.55. Most top CBs run in the 4.4 range, and those that don’t usually don’t run any slower than 4.5 and typically have ideal length to help compensate. VH3 runs a 4.5.

    Maybe this draft just simply doesn’t have 8 guys at the top of the draft board that can match their game film to an elite set of measurables, but I’d feel a lot more comfortable if we could find someone that does to spend the 8th overall pick on. If we can’t I’d be much more interested in trading down and recouping a 2nd than spending the 8th overall selection on a small, slower CB.

  89. 89 Mitchell said at 12:25 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    One of the problems with this draft, though, is the lack of top teir talent. The Eagles may have to take a guy not worth top 10 in previous years. Jack, Ramsey and Tunsil are the elite guys in my book.

  90. 90 Jernst said at 12:27 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Agreed. Hence a lot of my confusion over what to do with the 8th pick. This isn’t like in some previous years when we’ve drafted high and had a good idea on who we should be targeting. The data on CB success as related to 40 times is pretty convincing though, and not a gamble I’d want to take with the 8th overall pick if it were up to me. Check out the study I posted above and let me know what you think.

  91. 91 anon said at 12:28 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Don’t go all chip Kelly on us.

  92. 92 Jernst said at 1:00 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I hated Chips obsession with strict measurables as much as anyone. But, that had more to do with using people who were already on the roster and had proven to be good players. I wouldn’t recommend getting rid of Josh Norman after he’s proven to be an elite CB simply because he had a slow 40 time. And, I’m all about taking fliers on good players that lack ideal measurables later in the draft. Just not at 8th overall. There they should check all the boxes. More about maximizing your chance of hitting on a stud player than a strict set of measurables that you won’t compromise at certain positions despite how good the player has proven to be. I don’t want us to paint ourselves into such a tight box that we refuse to draft a Josh Norman in the 5th or 6th round because he doesn’t run a 4.3. I also don’t want to draft a CB at 8th overall who has an uphill battle at being good before he ever steps on the field.

  93. 93 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:12 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Doubt we will view Hargreaves as the best player at #8, Ramsey is the only DB worthy of a top 10 pick

  94. 94 mksp said at 3:48 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Walter Football said it so it must be true!

  95. 95 Jernst said at 12:25 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Check out this analysis of 40 yard dash time in CBs and its ability to predict CBs success in the NFL. It’s definitely a great study and sheds a lot of light on why I feel the way I do.

  96. 96 Insomniac said at 1:53 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    40 time doesn’t equal play speed. Djax only ran a 4.35 but smoked every CB in the league.

  97. 97 Media Mike said at 3:24 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I find myself somewhat “neutral” on Hargreaves, but it is crazy how up and down people are on him.

  98. 98 anon said at 11:42 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    rams doing hard knocks, and china in 2018? poor foles, has to his his career end on national tv.

  99. 99 oreofestar said at 11:50 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Dudes not making it to 2018 with them

  100. 100 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:59 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Think FOles might get cut in Camp regardless of the cap implications

  101. 101 A_T_G said at 3:23 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    With the CA weather, you don’t think they will need The Rainmaker®?

  102. 102 Gian GEAGLE said at 6:11 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Bring him home back to the NEST!!! “Sunny days. Everybody loves them, but tell me baby can you standi the Rain whooooo whooooo whoooo” bring the Raimaker Home!

  103. 103 TypicalDouche said at 12:50 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I thought Foles’ career already ended when he was benched for Case Keenum.

  104. 104 anon said at 1:50 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    True – coach said he’d have a chance to compete – that maybe he was just “overwhelmed” last year.

  105. 105 TypicalDouche said at 1:56 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I don’t believe anything Jeff Fisher says. He also said, not too long ago, that Keenum will go into the season as the starter. Poor Foles really shit the bed since his amazing season a couple years ago.

  106. 106 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:58 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    When asked what qualities he likes in Case Keenum, Jeff Fisher mentioned that he has Been thru a Franchise relocation before..LOL brilliant reason to pick your starting QB…

  107. 107 TypicalDouche said at 2:02 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Get the hell out of here did he really say that nonsense. Jeff Fisher just continuing to make me wonder how he still has a job as an NFL HC.

  108. 108 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:03 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Lol true story.. I couldn’t believe he said it

  109. 109 Jernst said at 11:44 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Reading the blurbs from Chip’s entire blame Howie Roseman press conference made me nauseas. Saying, as the head coach and head of personnel of an NFL franchise that you had nothing to do with contracts because you didn’t speak with the guy writing the contracts and to further state that you wouldn’t have paid anyone because you’re such a frugal guy and think that FA contracts are obscenely over-priced is so disingenuous that it hurts.

    First off, if you are not talking with the cap guru who’s writing the contracts and keeping an eye on how those contracts fit under your teams cap situation, then that is completely on you. It is your job to oversee all of that, and the notion that Chip Kelly, the biggest control freak of them all, would simply sit back and allow Howie Roseman, who he admittedly had no faith or trust in to tank his entire teams cap situation is laughable. It is your responsibility, ultimately, if this entire thing succeeds or fails and your career on the line, and thus, it is your responsibility to make sure the right things are being done for your football team.

    Secondly, if you go ahead and cut a bunch of starters (and that was unquestionably one of Chip’s defined roles as being in charge of the 53 man roster) then you have to do so knowing that you need to replace those starters in order to have a functioning football team. And, you should only be cutting people if you have a clear plan forward for how you want to replace those players.

    Chip cut both our starting CBs opening up a humongous void in our secondary (not saying that cutting them was a poor move, just stating the facts), he cut both our starting guards again opening up a huge void on our team, he traded away our starting RB and a guy who was the franchise’s all-time leading rusher for an injured LB opening up a hole on offense, he admittedly allowed Maclin to leave in FA over an extra million dollars (funny that he was intimately involved with the money issues involved in deciding whether to keep Maclin or not, but apparently nowhere else) leaving a glaring hole in our WR corps a year after releasing DeSean Jackson for nothing the year before, he traded Nick Foles and a second round pick to the Rams for Sam Bradford before getting Sam to agree to a restructured contract extension leaving us with an expensive 1 year rental coming off two consecutive injuries at QB and one less premium resource to fill all the newly created holes on his roster.

    After many of these moves he stated the financial flexibility of unloading large contracts as one of the main, if not THE main, driving force behind HIS decision to do so, even though he now says he had no input on the teams cap structure. He stated repeatedly that he had analyzed our cap structure and noticed that it was heavily weighted towards offense and that they needed to shift some of that money towards the defense, even though he now claims that he had no input or knowledge of our cap situation. He did all of these things on his own and because it apparently fit with his desires for roster structure.

    Now it comes time to fill all the glaring holes he’s created and he sends Howie a list of players he wants him to go out and sign to fill those holes. Howie does his job and signs all his top choices, specifically Maxwell and Murray. And, all of a sudden it’s Howie’s fault they had big contracts and Chip had nothing to do with it? Is he kidding?

    Who was Howie supposed to sign to fill these voids? How much money did Chip realistically think it was going to take to get the FA’s he provided Howie with before signings began? If Chip asked Howie to go out and sign the best FA CB available at that time, who was Maxwell, wrote his name on a piece of paper and said, we have a glaring hole at CB, go get me this guy, and had NO IDEA that that would involve a sizeable contract, then he’s a complete moron and shouldn’t be allowed to touch an NFL roster. If Chip gets rid of the franchise’s all-time leading rusher and says I need to replace his production with two quality veteran RBs instead of one at the same cost and recommends going out and signing DeMarco Murray, the previous year’s leading rusher, to a FA contract, and didn’t think that would involve a big cap hit or subsequent cap implications moving forward, then he’s a complete moron who shouldn’t be allowed to touch an NFL roster.

    You can’t create a bunch of gaping holes on your team through your own short sighted moves, getting rid of non-guaranteed contracts and ask your resident cap guru to go out and sign expensive veteran FAs to fill those roles and then play stupid and act like you had no idea how that would have any effect on your teams cap situation and still expect me to respect you.

  110. 110 Stephen E. said at 12:15 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    He also said regarding Kap, “You don’t cut talent.”


    If you couldn’t trade him, then you shouldn’t have cut him!

  111. 111 Jernst said at 12:29 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Yea I had no idea what talentless ass-clowns DeSean Jackson, LeSean McCoy and Evan Mathis were…ass-clowns sure…but untalented…no freaking way. And, I don’t think any of them are all that more ass-clownish than Kaepernick

  112. 112 Tdoteaglefan said at 12:42 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    *standing ovation*

  113. 113 Jernst said at 12:31 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Here’s a study I’ve been trying to find for a while on CBs success and their 40 yard dash time. I think it’s really interesting in trying to decide what to do with the 8th pick and whether or not VH3 is worth such a huge draft investment.
    There’s pretty good data that shows the importance of straight line speed in CBs and it seems clear to me that VH3 would be quite an outlier if he were to ever live up to being drafted so high despite his poor 40 time and lack of size.

  114. 114 Jernst said at 12:35 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    The money quote from that article, to me at least, is, “there have been 25 cornerbacks drafted since 2001 (to 2010) who have tallied a career AV-per-season of 4+. 11 of those have run sub-4.40 40-yard dashes, and only four have checked in above 4.50. Two of those four (Antrel Rolle and Malcolm Jenkins) moved to safety to do it.”

    Seems that if you’re going to draft a CB high there’s very convincing data that you should focus on the best CB that ALSO hits a prerequisite level of straight line speed if you want to maximize their chance of success. If they don’t meet that specific bench mark you should wait until later rounds to draft the great players with poor times.

    VH3 might end up being a great CB, but we should all understand that he’d be the exception to the rule and not vice versa. I’m not excited about expending the 8th overall selection on someone we’re hoping will buck all trends at the position over the past decade plus.

  115. 115 Jack Waggoner said at 2:49 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    To be sure. I don’t take a chance with him at 8.

  116. 116 HazletonEagle said at 12:55 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Its your site Tommy, you do what you want, but personally I am not interested in hearing another word about Chip Kelly. Hes gone, and Im glad to move on. I couldnt have been more excited about his hire, but he set us back and Ive been thrilled with how quickly Howie has been able to begin reversing a lot of the damage he left. Im looking forward now.
    Lately we had rumors in the media about what Chip offered Tennessee. It doesnt matter anymore!
    Today we have seen him telling more lies about who was in charge of which decisions here. It doesnt matter anymore!
    Hes gone. Good riddance!
    Im more interested in some insight on Pederson these days.
    Im just one guy though.

  117. 117 Ark87 said at 1:11 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I too am interested to find out more about Pederson, he is a huge mystery. He makes me nervous, all this good stuff happening in the off season means nothing if we don’t have a coach.

    Unfortunately there isn’t even anything to speculate on until we can see him in action on the first days of camp. And even speculating on how he looked conducting a practice will still be wildly irresponsible. The only thing anyone can possibly do right now is dig up a bunch players who played in his offense at KC and interview them, which isn’t Tommy’s thing, and the people whose thing that is, well that’s digging and awful deep mine for a pittance (active players will be polite or unnamed and that was the Andy Reid show besides the point).

    So in the mean time all we have to discus is the draft and whatever comes up in the news, or “news” if you’d prefer.

  118. 118 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:26 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Unknown can be exciting, doesn’t have to be scary

  119. 119 laeagle said at 2:13 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I have a sneaking suspicion that after todays press conferences, you’re going to hear a little bit more about Chip. But I think it is still relevant, only in the sense that it touches on Roseman and his role, relationships, and growth. So, buckle up, the ride isn’t over yet!

  120. 120 RobNE said at 1:01 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    universal rule for Philadelphia fans
    Guys we really want in the draft = N – 1
    N = our draft pick

  121. 121 Jernst said at 1:03 PM on March 23rd, 2016:


  122. 122 Jack Waggoner said at 1:50 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    So that would be Chip

  123. 123 P_P_K said at 3:38 PM on March 23rd, 2016:


  124. 124 Media Mike said at 3:39 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Can you re-write that formula to include the trade up for Mamula?

  125. 125 anon said at 1:23 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Commissioner Roger Goodell said he’s set aside some time to get an
    update on Josh Gordon’s reinstatement effort in the “next week or so.”

    JG must have really pissed someone at the league office off.

  126. 126 ShadyCrockett said at 3:50 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    He was recently in a music video with Future and Young Dolph…I can’t imagine that pleased the NFL.

  127. 127 Media Mike said at 3:55 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Yes, Dolph was young once.

  128. 128 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:56 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Lot of interesting nuggets of info today.
    1) our Coach doesn’t expect JP to be moving to Guard, likes him more at tackle.
    2) Jordan Mathews will get a look at outside WR in Camp
    3) we won’t be drafting a QB at #8, Doug claims that he is looking at quality #3 QB options later in the draft..Normally I don’t believe anything from a Coach but I don’t think DP is crafty enough with the media to be making strategically placed comments as smoke screen… He also said he won’t be attending Carson Wentz pro day (doug cares more about individual visits, but you would think if we were looking at a Franchise QB our Coach would go look at him every single chance he gets).. Of course I don’t believe any QB this year to be worth a top 10 pick, and the only eagle fanse who rave about these kids pissed away their credibility last year pounding the table to draft Hundley in round 1 LOL
    4) Bradford already gained 5lbs.. Id like to see him add another 7lbs..
    5) Thankfully DP cleared up the KEndricks Stupidity, he is a WIL, NOT A SAM! Bradham is the Sam
    6) Again claimed BARWIN is a DE, not a LB, and how moving to DE could be a good thing for MS2

  129. 129 TypicalDouche said at 2:12 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Hopefully Sammy boy didn’t skip leg day. He needs to work on the sticks he calls legs.

  130. 130 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:14 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Joe Montana would disagree, but yeah, I def hope he bulks up a bit.
    bradford, ERTZ and Jordan are in OKC today working out with the WR from the Sooners

  131. 131 anon said at 2:26 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Who plays DT after Cox, Bennie?

  132. 132 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:28 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    No idea,,, I assume Beau will Backup Bennie, and Buckner or some other rookie will back up Cox…. taylor Hart is still an eagle, but im hoping he gets traded,.. We have to keep 5 DL on the roster, if we include Beau and Hart, it gives us #4, leaving us to have to fill one DL roster spot… Trade Hart or Beau and we will need to add two DL..

  133. 133 Insomniac said at 2:34 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Draft picks/FA not named Allen or Hart.

  134. 134 Mitchell said at 2:33 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Im gonna love to read you and Mikes comments if the Eagles take Lynch at 8.

  135. 135 Media Mike said at 3:23 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I bet you won’t love them that much. That would be a HORRIBLE reach.

  136. 136 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:52 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    That’s like saying I can’t wait to see your comments if the sky is neon green tomorrow lol…. But I’ll give you the cliff notes, if they draft someone I don’t like, im going to say “I hope they are right, and I hope im wrong”.. As always. I care more about The Eagles winning than I care about you valuing my opinion

  137. 137 Media Mike said at 5:54 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    You’re nicer than I am. I’ll be apoplectic.

  138. 138 D3FB said at 2:35 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    You slobbed all over Justin Gilberts knob so eat me.

  139. 139 Bert's Bells said at 2:58 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Shots fired! Easter Rising!

  140. 140 ACViking said at 2:59 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    You left out the part about how he bragged that while playing OT in high school, he purposely allowed a D-lineman a free shot at his QB because he didn’t like the kid.

  141. 141 Bert's Bells said at 3:44 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Ha! Missing gems like that make me wish I could wade through all his blather.

  142. 142 Insomniac said at 3:16 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I don’t know how you can remember anything he says with all the crap he throws at the wall to see what sticks.

  143. 143 BlindChow said at 4:47 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Here’s a classic about Jeremy Maclin:

    whatever u say pal….. 3 weeks of every single person talking that doom n gloom shit that Mac is gone, while for weeks a million times a day i typed under every single comment that he isnt going anywhere and you think there is any way I come out looking like a fool, God bless your simple heart….. FYI, i have a higher accuracy perscebtage this time of year then most so you are drunk if you think any hate even registers with me… keep yapping.. by now people should have fgured out a thing or two…

  144. 144 Media Mike said at 5:14 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    FYI; I was a “let him leave” cheerleader with Maclin because I don’t think he was going to give $11 mil AAV production…………and he certainly didn’t in KC.


  145. 145 D3FB said at 7:09 AM on March 24th, 2016:

    PERSCEBTAGE! I forgot about this classic.

  146. 146 P_P_K said at 3:37 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I think Matthews deserves a look at outside WR.

  147. 147 Media Mike said at 3:38 PM on March 23rd, 2016:


  148. 148 mksp said at 3:45 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Can’t separate.

    Can’t make contested catches.

    This will go well.

  149. 149 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:50 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Absolutely does…… even if he ends up being our outside WR! I expect DP to move him around the field and get reps from the slot anyway

  150. 150 P_P_K said at 8:12 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I can also see it going the other way: he plays primarily in the slot but is moved around outside on occasion.

  151. 151 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:25 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Hardknocks is going to be interesting. The format changes, now HBO will film the Rams in Minicamp, OTAs, during the draft (maybe get some war room insight) and training camp, so it will tell the story of the entire Rams offseason, not just Camp and preseason

  152. 152 anon said at 2:39 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Who would have thought Chip, who initially said all the right things in a lot of situations and has a lot of interesting thoughts / theories, appeared to be data driven, would in actuality be severely dogmatic and almost a pathological liar.

  153. 153 P_P_K said at 3:36 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    At some point, Lurie must have come to a similar conclusion and considered it distrubing enough to fire Chip before the end of the season..

  154. 154 Tumtum said at 2:40 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Douggy P says he wants to keep some of the tempo components from Chip. I like that. Its not like Andy never ran no huddle here. It was an emphasis for a few years towards the end of Donovan. The main difference being less of a concern with tempo of snap, and inability for the QB to read pre-snap. It was a nice way to give some rope to your vet QB, and keep the defense from subbing. Probably something Sam could do well.

  155. 155 anon said at 2:56 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    agree 8/10 of people on offense will know how to run and know playbook i’m fine with it situationally. Really liked how offense played the last game.

  156. 156 Insomniac said at 3:11 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    If he follows up on that then he’s already a 10000000 times more likable coach than Chip.

  157. 157 A_T_G said at 3:12 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    To be fair, 99/100 people in the league know that play”book” and the other one is a punter. But I am glad he isn’t discarding everything simply because it was Chip’s.

  158. 158 ChoTime said at 3:31 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I find it interesting, Tommy, that you write that Lurie made the right decision to go all in on Chip. My take is that it was a terrible decision and it caused the team to lose a season as well as multiple talented players.

    Consider the alternative: Appointing a strong GM to make personnel decisions, to “buy the groceries”, to evaluate, acquire, and retain talent. Since Chip had already shown the ability to put up 10 win seasons with a fairly lackluster roster, what could he have done with better players and a mandate to concentrate on coaching instead of playing GM, a role for which he lacked experience.

    I know we’ve already moved on and now will vilify everything that Chip did. He well could have been successful if he were properly controlled. Instead, Lurie allowed a weird “hate triangle” with himself, Roseman, and Chip to develop. Perhaps it was the right decision to give Chip full control. I would have done so, but from the start, not at the end. That being said, the number of coaches who have successfully worn both hats is very small. Someone playing the odds would have told Chip to coach and gotten someone else to handle the players.

  159. 159 Dave said at 4:20 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Regardless of the relationship with Howie, Chip was causing a toxic relationship with the players. If Eskin is to be believed, Byron Maxwell was late to almost a dozen meetings and was not a team player. DeMarco was not a team player. Players were questioning his methods, play calling, tempo, and just general lack of personality.

    He wasn’t going to change. I said it before in jest, but it holds true, Chip was a closed minded person who believed in a growth mindset.

    We know that Marcus Smith was not a good practice player and therefore, Chip never gave him a chance in games. He was closed-minded about Boykin being too short. Even after all the dumb offensive penalties, he never tried slowing the offense down. He jettisoned good players with no, or below-average replacement players on the roster. There is a litany of things Chips seemed unwilling to change.

    The fact that Chip had no respect for Howie shows his close-mindedness. How many times has Chip said Balke was a “football guy”. He looked at Howie as a bean counter and didn’t believe he could do a good job because he didn’t play football.

    Bottom line, Chip might be a football genius and sports science innovator, but his social skills and closed-mindedness caused his firing. I don’t believe it when Chip said today that he would have been happy if the Eagles just hired a GM and he didn’t need the power. I call bullshit on that. He hired Ed to be his guy but didn’t give Ed the power as a GM. Chip wanted, and received final say. The last thing he was going to do was hire a GM who would be his boss.

    I was thrilled with Chip’s hiring and initially shocked and disappointed in his firing. In retrospect after listening to Lurie speak, Chip was the problem, not the people around him.

  160. 160 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:34 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    What you describe is a big part of why Offensive genius MIKE Martz and Brian Billick can’t get jobs any more…. Human beings DONT like them very much

  161. 161 eagleyankfan said at 4:43 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    your opinion is based on what happened after he got here.
    Given CK’s successful track record prior to getting here- why wasn’t it worth the risk?

  162. 162 Media Mike said at 3:31 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Is Ron Rivera serious? He told Peter King that he doesn’t believe players on the losing team should be required to speak to the press post-game.


    Unreal how many people what to continue to cover for that infantile piece of human excrement Scam Newton. That unapologetic, arrogant, entitled, clown show of a human being refusing to be held to account for his embarrassing behavior post-game is completely out of line.

    Honestly, the faster people like Scam Newton are gone from professional sports………………..

  163. 163 Will:Howie is Nino Brown said at 3:32 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    overreact much?

  164. 164 Media Mike said at 3:34 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Not enough evidently. Rivera is carrying water for that clown and we have Bryce Harper being quoted that he wants baseball players to ruin that game by having more of them act like Cam.


  165. 165 anon said at 3:36 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    not like you’re biased against Cam at all.

  166. 166 Media Mike said at 3:37 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    He’s a “bleeping” (trying to watch the cursing b/c I saw somebody said they’re going to have their son start posting on here) stain upon playing the game the right way.

  167. 167 anon said at 3:39 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    would love to have see your face on the two Cam-related fumble plays.

  168. 168 Media Mike said at 3:40 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    One of the best times I’ve ever had watching a Super Bowl.

  169. 169 TypicalDouche said at 3:36 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    If only he ended it with the T.O. tears and saying “that’s my quarterback” would it have been acceptable.

  170. 170 Media Mike said at 3:38 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    This version would be “That’s my running back” to be factually correct.

  171. 171 Media Mike said at 3:33 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    And here is the link if you’d like to read this dereliction of duty from Rivera.

  172. 172 Mac said at 3:55 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Weird thing is… I agree with Ron on this. I don’t see the point in forcing players to talk to half wit reporters after a game.

    I also agree with you on Newton though… I am not in favor of players who view themselves as demigods. I will root for all I’m worth against any player like that. I just don’t feel the need to hear their comments after the game.

  173. 173 Media Mike said at 3:57 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    “The thrill of victory and the agony of defeat” was the tag line of Wide World of Sports for years on ABC. Hearing from the losing side is just as interesting as hearing from the winners. I think to present one side without the other is telling an incomplete story.

  174. 174 Dave said at 4:05 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Next hing you know, we’ll be giving trophies to all players on both teams for every game. Isn’t that the “no child left behind law” we have for children these days;-)

  175. 175 P_P_K said at 4:08 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    My son has played several sports and saves any award he earns. The medals that are given to every kid, the ones that say “Winner,” he has put in the garbage.

  176. 176 Dave said at 4:32 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I used to race BMX for several years as a kid and traveled throughout PA, NJ and Delaware. I have over a hundred really nice, big marble base trophies in boxes in my basement. I have tried to find places to donate them for years to no avail. All the trophy companies and athletic leagues tell me the same thing, they all have to be identical so no child feels less appreciated, and that the heavy marble bases are a safety issues because kids could drop them and hurt themselves (according to the moms). Mind you, I was winning these trophies as a preteen myself and never hurt myself.

    As a silver lining, I did recently find a local couple who will take my trophies for free and change the top out. They give them to children who successfully go through Chemo or other major operations/treatments at numerous hospitals as a way of congratulating them for making it through a tough ordeal. It’s actually pretty cool and children seem to really appreciate the gesture.

  177. 177 P_P_K said at 8:20 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    How cool that you raced and won BMX. That must have been a blast. It’s very cool, and generous of you, to have found such a fine outlet for your trophies.

    Now, let me get this straight (can you hear my sarcasm?), a heavy base on a trophy is now considered a safety hazard?! Pretty soon kids will be required to wear helmets to play any sport, and then another helmet to attend the award ceremony.

    I work with youngsters and I’ve seen the damage the “everyone is a winner” propganda is producing. If nothing else, kids fail to develop an honest sense of self-esteem and humility based on real success and failure.

  178. 178 botto said at 4:39 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    not to antagonize you, but why is it that you hate cam so much really?
    just because he runs? or is there more? just curious

  179. 179 Media Mike said at 5:13 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Not getting suspended from Auburn for taking money and/or their title not being stripped. The general “look at me” demeanor (other than when he scores TDs, that’s fine in my book), the playing the QB position totally backwards in terms of having them build it around him running rather than throwing, being anointed as some type of star even though prior to this year his rating / completion % / and TD pass:turnover ratio was brutal.

    The largest thing is my aversion to having that type of gimmick stuff with the QB become an increasing part of what NFL teams call offense. I don’t want to find the NFL ruined in a few years because too many teams are chasing Cam clones rather than Brees/Peyton/Brady clones.

    And that wasn’t antagonistic at all, perfectly happy to give you detail / context.

  180. 180 unhinged said at 6:01 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Darrel Royal, can I call you Darrel? If you move the chains, score more points, how in the hell is it a “gimmick”? Royal famously stated, “Three things can happen when you throw a pass. And two of them are bad.” Mr. Wishbone thought the forward pass was gimmickry. I would think the odds of filling the NFL with running QB’s are really long.

  181. 181 Media Mike said at 6:04 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Please don’t. Royal stole a National Championship that didn’t belong to him in 1969.


    “I would think the odds of filling the NFL with running QB’s are really long.” – FROM YOUR LIPS TO GOD’S EARS!

  182. 182 Rellihcs said at 7:11 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    How about asking why you care about mandated media availability. I personally don’t give a half shi* what someone who is only speaking cause they have to says. EVER.

  183. 183 anon said at 3:38 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Chip going to have a tough time in SF, no team, has to play SEA and Arizona each twice a year. Has to see Evan Mathis beat him twice a year. Foles gets to hopefully beat him twice a year. I’m sure that playbook isn’t changing at all.

  184. 184 A_T_G said at 3:40 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    They don’t get to play the Titans, do they?

  185. 185 Media Mike said at 3:41 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    2017………….if Chip lasts that long.

  186. 186 Media Mike said at 3:40 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I think Keenum is stating, but I get your point.

    San Fran is bereft of talent.

  187. 187 Media Mike said at 4:00 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    1) 25 yard line – Don’t agree on the touchback rule. Now even more teams are going to mortar kick it inside the 5 because they only have to keep the return man from getting to 25. More dudes are going to get blown up.

    2) 2 and we see no more of you – LOVE it. Especially if they start booting guys for all of the taunting, staring over the pile. etc.

  188. 188 GermanEagle said at 4:12 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Lol re #1. I totally agree!

  189. 189 GermanEagle said at 4:12 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I struggle to understand why most people seem to think that the new kickoff rule will lead to less kickoff returns. In fact I do strongly believe just the opposite, i.e. kicker trying to pin down opposing returner close to their endzone in order to prevent the other team to start at least at the 25 yard line. Or am I the only one with that thinking?!

  190. 190 GENETiC-FREAK said at 4:22 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Yeah im thinking kickers will become more important with how they do kickoffs now.. Instead of just booming it downtown can see them kicking it more higher giving time for the guys to get down there n pin them in the 20 instead of letting them have it at the 25.. Thats like 1/4 of the field starting at the 25 sheesh

  191. 191 TypicalDouche said at 4:23 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    In that kind of situation you risk a guy letting the ball bounce. If the ball happens to bounce out of bounds then the opposing team gets the ball at the 40. I don’t think coaches want to risk losing that much field position in order to make up for 5 yards. If I were a coach I would still tell them to kick the ball as hard as possible out of the endzone.

  192. 192 GENETiC-FREAK said at 4:27 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Nah i dont think he meant kicking angling it to the sidelines.. More up n under kicks.. Still straight

  193. 193 TypicalDouche said at 4:28 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    You’re right pal,I just re-read it and noticed the same. Trying to type on my phone on a new York city train is the worst sometimes.

  194. 194 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:25 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Mortar kick

  195. 195 Media Mike said at 4:30 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    You’re not wrong. Seattle already does this all the time with the line at the 20.

  196. 196 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:06 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    So stupid… Coach Fipp is probably giggling in his office right now designing schemes to “Mortar Kick” down the center of the field all day, kick it high down to the 5yard line… Braman is gonna kill some poor returnman next year

  197. 197 eagleyankfan said at 4:38 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Just trying to keep track of the opinions on the Eagles draft for pick 8:
    Don’t take a RB in round 1.
    Don’t take that CB – he’s not fast enough.
    Don’t take a QB – not enough talent.
    Don’t take an DT because this draft is loaded with them.
    Don’t take a LB at 8, it’s too early.
    Don’t trade back(ok, that one might be 95% my opinion).
    Don’t have enough to move up.
    Nobody takes a guard around 1(or top 10 at least).
    Don’t take a WR – not enough talent at 8
    I think that makes it official: OT with the pick.

  198. 198 Insomniac said at 5:08 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    You forgot that a certain OT had a bad combine so he’s not top 10 worthy.

  199. 199 oreofestar said at 5:15 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    So basically people have different opinions…crazy

  200. 200 solid said at 8:48 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Let’s just pull a Minnesota and delay our pick, letting other teams go ahead and make their selections until we think we’ve reached optimal value at whatever number we’ll end up picking.

  201. 201 Media Mike said at 5:17 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Problem solved. Let Ramsey drop to them at 8 and play him at safety.

  202. 202 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:18 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    No Ronnie Stanley!! And only a jackass like ESP would mention Conklin at #8

  203. 203 RobNE said at 5:30 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Long snapper

  204. 204 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:31 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    A fair compromise..LS it is.. Dorenbos getting long in the tooth

  205. 205 Rellihcs said at 7:07 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Nope. Dropkick specialist

  206. 206 unhinged said at 5:48 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I’m curious about you not wanting a trade back. If there are 4 Eagle favorites among the top 8, and they are all gone, staying at 8 would potentially cost us a second-round pick. If Jeff Stoudtland convinces Pederson or HR that he’d prefer Conklin to Stanley, or if Stanley is preferred, but might be available at 15, doesn’t moving back make sense?

  207. 207 Media Mike said at 5:48 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    We have 10 favorites in the top 8…..according to what we were told.

  208. 208 unhinged said at 4:07 PM on March 24th, 2016:

    I take all proclamations at this time of year with a a couple grains of absinthe. Maybe Eagles take Elliot or Bosa, but I won’t bet on it. I have my list whittled down to 4 or 5, and I wouldn’t be shocked, nor would you, I’m guessing, if the “10” comment was credible misdirection.

  209. 209 D3FB said at 7:06 AM on March 24th, 2016:

    If Stoutland prefers Conklin to Stanley he should be immediately fired.

  210. 210 Greg Richards said at 5:08 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Eagles sign WR Rueben Randle to 1-year deal. Hasn’t performed to expectations with the Giants but he’s still only 24 years old. Worth a flyer.

  211. 211 GENETiC-FREAK said at 5:09 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Thats a sweet signing too be honest. Like it.

  212. 212 Jack Waggoner said at 5:12 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I do too. Used him in a pinch on my FF team a couple of years ago with good result

  213. 213 Insomniac said at 5:09 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Something something about signing NFCE rival players that ruin team chemistry.

  214. 214 Greg Richards said at 5:11 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Walter Thurmond worked out last year. As long as it’s not for excessive money, shouldn’t be an issue.

  215. 215 Insomniac said at 5:11 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Thurmond didn’t really play for the Giants though.

  216. 216 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:12 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Walter thurmond was a giant for like 8 months… He wasn’t a real Giant

  217. 217 Media Mike said at 5:16 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Except Walt was only hanging out in NY for a few games; he’s really a Seahawk.

  218. 218 Rellihcs said at 7:03 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Careful with the logic… Dangerous stuff amongst birds fans.

  219. 219 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:10 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Yuck!! Fuck off Giant trash! After Miles Austin, Demarco Murray, and Focking Dahani Jones, im done with this divisiln rival rejects

  220. 220 RC5000 said at 5:15 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Depth signing & insurance isn’t a big deal. This draft is so so at WR and this allows us to concentrate on other positions in draft. Not saying you absolutely don’t take WR but it gives us more flexibilty and WR with some size.

  221. 221 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:17 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    No… We still have to draft or sigń an Undrafted WR still .. Rueban is #5, need a #6 still

  222. 222 RC5000 said at 5:28 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Apparently you don’t understand the meaning of undrafted lol.

  223. 223 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:48 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I don’t understanding assuming we will strike gold on an Undrafted kid..

  224. 224 TypicalDouche said at 5:12 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    That was unexpected, but I’ll take it as a low risk flier. Hopefully the money isn’t Miles Austin-esque.

  225. 225 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:13 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    It’s actually a solid signing, im just sticking to my irrational hatred for a drafted and developed New York Giant… I feel dirty rooting for him

  226. 226 TypicalDouche said at 5:14 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I definitely hear ya on that one. I live and work in the tri-state area so all I deal with is stupid Giants and Jets fans and I cant stand either ones honestly.

  227. 227 Jack Waggoner said at 5:14 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

  228. 228 TypicalDouche said at 5:15 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Well lets hope the entire contract isn’t guaranteed like Austin’s was.

  229. 229 Media Mike said at 5:16 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I’m calling this “Fake Steve Smith II” until proven otherwise. I don’t care for it.

  230. 230 Rambo said at 5:20 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Me either. I thought he was closing on a deal with Cincy!

  231. 231 Media Mike said at 5:21 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Cincy doesn’t make bad signings.

  232. 232 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:09 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I laugh every time CSN shows footage of HOWIE throwing a football around on the field wearing a suit.. I laugh every time. What’s funny is you know CSN’s intention is to clown him every time they show that clip…

  233. 233 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:11 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Thought Roseman was going to trade for a WR, but they went the 1yr deal route.. Now we have 5 WRs, we need to get a #6 in the draft or an Undrafted kat

  234. 234 Greg Richards said at 5:12 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Mike Garafolo

    2m2 minutes ago

    Eagles signed WR Rueben Randle to a one-year deal. No terms available but indications were it would be for about $1m with incentives on top.

  235. 235 Rambo said at 5:14 PM on March 23rd, 2016:


  236. 236 Greg Richards said at 5:15 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Rap Sheet has a tweet where agent says deal is worth more than $3M with $500K guaranteed but I’d guess agent is saying what max deal would be if all the incentives were reached.

    Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafolo 3m3 minutes ago

    Mike Garafolo Retweeted Jay Tillman

    That’s the maximum value of the deal. I gave you the base value ($1.025m, to be exact). Good deal for Eagles.

    Mike Garafolo added,
    Jay Tillman @Jay_Tillman
    @MikeGarafolo or $3M+ like @RapSheet is reporting
    5 retweets 1 like

  237. 237 Media Mike said at 5:15 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Steve “not the good one” Smith II

  238. 238 RC5000 said at 5:24 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Sorry that’s such a poor comparison unless Randle had this issue:

    Smith never fully recovered after suffering a serious knee injury during the 2010 season that required microfracture and mosaicplasty surgery.

  239. 239 Media Mike said at 5:25 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I’m sure using “logic” or “tape” or whatever else that you’re 100% correct; but F NY.

  240. 240 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:28 PM on March 23rd, 2016:


  241. 241 RC5000 said at 5:36 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Cooper or Randle haha? Neither is not a qualified answer.

  242. 242 Media Mike said at 5:39 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Cooper? He can die too.

  243. 243 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:47 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Is Cooper even gonna be in the NFL next year?

  244. 244 Media Mike said at 5:48 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I hope not.

  245. 245 RC5000 said at 6:08 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Actually he gets tendinitis.

  246. 246 anon said at 5:18 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I knew the first couple of weeks are too goo to be true. What a terrible signing.

  247. 247 TypicalDouche said at 5:19 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Why are you so against it? Its a low risk signing and he only has 500k guaranteed. Its actually a pretty solid signing.

  248. 248 Media Mike said at 5:20 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I’m against it because I’d rather have signed a guy who could come in and lead by example or vocally and/or not be a piece of NYG trash.

    I’m sure it’ll be fine, but I hate that f-ing dude.

  249. 249 Greg Richards said at 5:52 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Can’t help who you’re drafted by. Maybe the reason he’s underperformed so far is because he felt like trash, being a Giant at all. Maybe he’ll finally break out now that he’s no longer burdened by the stigma of that trash organization.

  250. 250 Media Mike said at 5:53 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Tainted. Like that one friend you have who everybody knows is a dirty dog, so you NEVER EVER mess with a chick he’s been with.

  251. 251 Greg Richards said at 5:58 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Or you mess with and just don’t tell anyone about.

  252. 252 Media Mike said at 6:00 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Except your physician……………..

  253. 253 Insomniac said at 5:54 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    He’s had 2 Pro Bowl WRs that took attention off of him for years. At this point he is what he is.

  254. 254 Greg Richards said at 5:58 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    He’s hardly played with both Cruz and Beckham at same time. Cruz got hurt early in Beckham’s rookie season and Beckham had hamstring issues in the time Cruz was playing.

  255. 255 Insomniac said at 7:22 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    A grand total of 7 games over 2 years is what made him look bad? Do I have to throw in Hakeem Nicks to make it 3 #1 WRs?

  256. 256 anon said at 6:52 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    that’s what i’m saying too, should be feasting on open looks and doesn’t seem like a high character, try hard guy — seems like Jmatt has to lead that whole group.

  257. 257 Rellihcs said at 6:58 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Zero humans ever improve anything about themselves at all past 25. Fact.

  258. 258 Insomniac said at 7:18 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    He’s been in the league for 4 years and not even the Giants wanted him back. Apparently the rest of the league doesn’t think he’s worth much either.

  259. 259 anon said at 5:21 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    He’s done 0, plus does he play? Seems to me like we have 4 outside guys now – randle being the least talented in my eye. Maybe redzone?

    From playing fantasy i’ve learned that he’s basically useless, except when freed up in coverage by OBJ getting double and triple teamed.

  260. 260 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:22 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Dude… He is a #5 WR for us… He is lucky if he gets 10 snaps per game on offense unless injuries pile up, and they still have to draft a #6 WR

  261. 261 Greg Richards said at 5:23 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Randle is less talented than Josh Huff or Chris Givens? I realize that Randle has underperformed but no reason to think either of those guys are better players.

  262. 262 Insomniac said at 5:29 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Going to have to go with anon with this one. Randle doesn’t do anything very well and that’s a lot of money for someone who might not even make the roster.

  263. 263 Greg Richards said at 5:39 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    1 year, $1.025M, $500K. Up to $3M but that’s based on incentives. We don’t know the details of those, but I’d guess if he reaches those we won’t be complaining.

  264. 264 Rellihcs said at 6:57 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Sometimes I think you are the only level-headed birds fan other than Tommy.

  265. 265 Rellihcs said at 6:56 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Actually that’s very very very little money guaranteed.

  266. 266 anon said at 6:51 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Yes. Jmatt, NA, Givens (burner + knows sammy), any rookie they get in the draft, then Randle.

  267. 267 Rellihcs said at 6:54 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Please give me nothing Ferraris. I’ll take a Ferrari for every nothing nfl td this scrub scored. Thanks.

  268. 268 anon said at 8:05 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    seriously. Guys getting cars for how they perform in the gym.

  269. 269 Joe Minx said at 6:35 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Hate this signing.

  270. 270 Rellihcs said at 6:52 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Yeah we invested way too much money in a guy with zero experience and we immediately announced him number one. They then cut Jordan Matthews and traded away nine draft picks for a backup longsnapper. Awful.

  271. 271 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:14 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    3mil, 500k GUARENTEED for Randle… Basically we can cut him if we don’t like what we see in camp… According to his agent

  272. 272 Rambo said at 5:21 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Take THAT Chip!!!

  273. 273 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:29 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Hope we sigń a backüp Mike LB next, draft the backüp Sam, with Goode backing up Kendricks at the WIL spot

  274. 274 Media Mike said at 5:30 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    F Rueben Randle

    This thread needs a mock draft.

    Round 1 Pick 8: Myles Jack, OLB/ILB, UCLA (A+)
    Round 3 Pick 14: Christian Westerman, OG, Arizona State (A+)
    Round 3 Pick 16: Joe Haeg, OT, North Dakota State (C)
    Round 4 Pick 2: Jonathan Williams, RB, Arkansas (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 14: Matt Judon, DE/OLB, Grand Valley State (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 25: Travis Feeney, OLB, Washington (A+)
    Round 6 Pick 13: Matt Ioannidis, DT, Temple (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 12: Deiondre’ Hall, CB, Northern Iowa (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 30: Derrick Kindred, SS, TCU (B+)

  275. 275 Media Mike said at 5:35 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I figure I just draf ited a long term WIL, G, T, RB, and SAM with Jack, Westerman, Haeg, Williams, and Feeney.

    Judon and Ioannidis go into rotations as backups long term.

    Hall and Kindred are project types with special teams ability. I’m impressed with Kindred’s ability to play violent football. Schwartz Ds always have some ill behavior.

  276. 276 D3FB said at 7:02 AM on March 24th, 2016:

    Love that Kindred made all Big 12 with a torn shoulder.

    Also I like the WVU LB with the ridiculous last name.

  277. 277 Ankerstjernen said at 5:37 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I think this is my favourite mock draft yet! If this happens, I will be ecstatic..

  278. 278 Media Mike said at 5:38 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Thank you. And I figure this has no shot for April.

  279. 279 Ankerstjernen said at 5:39 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Well obviously its too good to be true 🙂

  280. 280 TypicalDouche said at 5:33 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    The thing I like most about the Randle signing is that Huff may finally be shown the door out of Philadelphia. I am done hearing about Huff’s potential to be anything more then he currently is. The Eagles can draft late or even sign UDFAs that might contribute more then Huff. HR please call up Baalke and gauge his interest in Huff and Hart and get both of those bums out of Philly.

  281. 281 Media Mike said at 5:33 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    And send Barner fingers out of town with him.

  282. 282 TypicalDouche said at 5:35 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Bring back Henry Josey! But really though then can get a guy off the street that can do Barner’s job so I wouldn’t be upset to see him go.

  283. 283 solid said at 8:52 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Small world tidbit – I work with that kid’s dad lol.

  284. 284 Rambo said at 5:52 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    But, but, what will you do with your BARNER jersey?

  285. 285 Media Mike said at 5:52 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I find it disturbing that you’re asking questions about what I’m using to wipe my rear end post post-coffee dump every morning.

  286. 286 Rambo said at 5:54 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Well…..since you put it like that, so do I sir!

  287. 287 Insomniac said at 5:33 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    True but Randle is an one year rental.

  288. 288 TypicalDouche said at 5:34 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I know but that still shouldn’t stop the Eagles from getting rid of Huff who has done nothing outside his 100+ yard return against TEN.

  289. 289 Insomniac said at 5:37 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I feel the same way you do but you could have just drafted a WR with the same upside in like round 4/5.

  290. 290 TypicalDouche said at 5:38 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    We can thank Chip for bypassing more talented players just to overdraft Huff in the 3rd. Like I said UDFA’s can do more then Huff has done.

  291. 291 Insomniac said at 5:40 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    How can Chip be blamed when he didn’t even talk to Howie!!!

  292. 292 TypicalDouche said at 5:47 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    lol I like what you did there.

  293. 293 D3FB said at 7:00 AM on March 24th, 2016:

    Let’s calm down with the hyperbole. There have been a whopping 6 UDFA WR’s in the last 4 years who have better career numbers than Huff.

    Rod Streater
    Jermaine Kearse
    Marlon Brown (been in the league 1 year longer)
    Griff Whalen (barely higher than Huff and in league a year longer)
    Allen Hurns
    Philly Brown

    Huff isn’t going to light the world on fire but he costs nothing and is still far better than 99% of UDFA WRs.

  294. 294 Gian GEAGLE said at 6:06 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    We probably still will

  295. 295 RC5000 said at 6:15 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Or they could draft other positions in 4th/5th round.

  296. 296 Insomniac said at 6:46 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Or they could draft someone who might still be here after a year.

  297. 297 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:44 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    As is, we still need to draft a #6 WR… They aren’t cutting huff and creating Another need at WR in THIS offseason at least… If you want him gone you have to hope some Undrafted kid destroys him in camp competition,…unlikely….
    randle has ZERO effect on huff, and Randle doesmt keep us from having to draft a WR… Unless you think Freddie Martino should be on the roster

  298. 298 TypicalDouche said at 5:49 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I don’t think its that far fetched honestly. Why continue to pay a player that doesn’t contribute? Its not like he was a 1st or 2nd round pick that you hold out hope on. He is an over drafted 3rd round wide receiver that is easily replaceable. Hell I would even rather put Krauss out there and see what he can do. At this point all Huff is doing is taking up a roster spot that could be given to a player that might actually do something. Don’t get me wrong I agree with you that its doubtful they cut him this year but I wouldn’t rule it out entirely.

  299. 299 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:55 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I don’t rule it out only for the LONGSHOT where we get lucky for once, Randle and Givens look amazing, and two Undrafted kids are thrashing Huff in camp battle…. I don’t rule out winning the lottery either, DOESNT make me think it’s likely

  300. 300 Rellihcs said at 6:48 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    So a WR on a pathetic offense with a bad offensive line and poor production overall is supposed to “produce”? Huff is such an easy/lazy/mindless hate target.

  301. 301 TypicalDouche said at 2:36 AM on March 24th, 2016:

    So a wide receiver playing with his college coach in a similar offense with not much depth in front of him isn’t supposed to “produce”? Give me more excuses for Huff being an overdrafted wideout, that was lucky enough to go to his former coach, and still did nothing.

  302. 302 BlindChow said at 11:07 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

  303. 303 TypicalDouche said at 2:38 AM on March 24th, 2016:

    So is that lone highlight supposed to convince me that Huff is worth keeping around?

  304. 304 BlindChow said at 10:07 AM on March 24th, 2016:

    Just simply responding to your claim that he “has done nothing outside his 100+ yard return.”

  305. 305 Jernst said at 10:53 AM on March 24th, 2016:

    He costs next to nothing to keep. Might as well give him a chance. He wouldn’t be the first player to take till year 3 to come into his own or the first to play significantly better in a new system.

  306. 306 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:43 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Can’t quit on Huff after we seen him only coached by Bicknell, running chips allegedly “unsophisticated routes”…
    Can’t quit on a kid after seeing him two years Into his career in general.. Huff drives me insane, but it’s not time to pull the plug on the kid…. Unless we can get decent trade compensation which we can’t because chip has no power lol

  307. 307 TypicalDouche said at 5:51 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Well being that Howie and Chip haven’t spoken in years anyways I would love it if HR were able to pull a trade with the niners with Chip having no say.

  308. 308 Gian GEAGLE said at 6:03 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I hope chip comes calling for some His duck trash, im just starting to think it will be a while before our front office even talks with the niners. HOWIE doesnt just have beef with Chip, he also fired Gamble…
    I despise Huff, I would trade him in a heartbeat for Josh Gordon who has barely played in 3 years, allegedly gained a ton of weight as in Fat weight during his suspension, who may be one Bong Hit away from being the First NFL player that Roger Goodell tries to Crucify, as in Literally trying to Nail him to a cross if he even smokes a joint…. That’s how much I like Josh Huff lol… But can’t cut our nose of to spite our face, he still has some untapped potential hopefully a better coaching staff can extract from him

  309. 309 anon said at 6:54 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    put huff in the slot and let him beat down tiny corners — then fumble. I like huff would like to see the ball in his hands more.

  310. 310 Sean Stott said at 8:32 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    You’d like to see the ball in his hands more. I’d like to see the ball stay in his hands longer.

  311. 311 daveH said at 8:16 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Im down with that call.. upvote

  312. 312 Jernst said at 10:51 AM on March 24th, 2016:

    People are so impatient man. The kids shown flashes. Really good flashes in limited playing time. He got rid of the dumb rookie mistakes that plagued him in year one and showed some minor improvement in a totally dysfunctional offense who’s passing game consisted entirely of running Jordan Matthews all the way across the field and Ertz on a corner route. He might never pan out…but these people hoping he’s outright cut are insane.

  313. 313 Rambo said at 6:06 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I’d be happy if both were to succeed here.

  314. 314 RC5000 said at 6:01 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

  315. 315 Greg Richards said at 6:04 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Aaron Wilson

    3m3 minutes ago

    Alabama cornerback-kick returner Cyrus Jones to visit Ravens, Eagles, Bills, Saints; work out privately for Panthers, Buccaneers

  316. 316 anon said at 6:53 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    meh, won’t even need a kick returner in a couple of years.

  317. 317 Julescat said at 7:31 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    agent talking up a client

  318. 318 RC5000 said at 7:02 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    The scoop: “Don’t be surprised if a team like the Eagles makes a really strong move up the board to get (Carson) Wentz. I don’t think he’s worth it, but I think they do. Everyone thinks you have to move ahead of Cleveland, but (Browns Chief Strategy Officer Paul DePodesta) will want to get as many picks as possible out of this draft. It wouldn’t surprise me if a team moved directly to Cleveland’s spot for Wentz.” — NFC executive

    The skinny: The Eagles clearly need a QB and their trade up from No. 13 to No. 8 gets them closer to being able to move up for that piece, if they choose to. If they only have eyes for Wentz, then it could become very prohibitive to move up the board; however, if Cal QB Jared Goff were to be in play for the Eagles as well, it isn’t much of a stretch to believe they could move up the few slots they would need to pick Goff. I believe Wentz is the more highly valued of the two QBs.

  319. 319 eagleyankfan said at 7:06 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    here we go again. Same as when Mariota was in the draft….

  320. 320 Dave said at 7:14 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Unless Doug, Howie, and Lurie are putting up an epic smokescreen, their actual words indicate they believe in Sam and are looking for an AJ Feeley/Mike Kafka/Koy Detmer type of backup QB to develop into a Chase Daniel-like QB.

  321. 321 RC5000 said at 7:23 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Are you serious? Why would they actually want a bad QB to develop like the ones you named if they liked a top QB? Did you not get the memo about how much they believe in Sam Bradford? I like Bradford more than many but even I know they aren’t sure about him.

    I don’t know one other Eagles fan that believes this.

  322. 322 Dave said at 7:30 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    “Why would they actually want a bad QB to develop like the ones you named if they liked a top QB?”

    As I said in my previous post, they have said they like Sam and don’t want to draft a QB at #8. Doug and Lurie have stated they are looking for a #3 QB to develop behind Sam and Chase.

    You don’t know a lot of Eagles fans do you?

  323. 323 RC5000 said at 8:18 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I know what you said. To me that’s as much support for them coveting top QB(s). Yes I do know a lot of Eagles fans. Everyone I know except a handful of people. Nobody buys what comes out of their mouths this time of year. I was a season ticket holder for 22 years.

  324. 324 Dave said at 8:45 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I watched Lurie’s and Doug’s interviews the past two days and they genuinely seemed to come across as wanting to draft a 3rd string QB to be a backup, not replacement for Sam. I’m assuming you watched both interviews too? If so, then you ignored what they said and how they said it, or just assumed they were lying because that did not fit the narrative of your opinion.

    BTW, to all the others reading this post, what’s up with people on this site giving stupid credentials like “I played football in college” or “I was a season ticket holder” to act as that qualifies their opinions as gospel and why mine should be discounted.

  325. 325 RC5000 said at 9:03 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Honestly I do not listen to the organization concerning the draft. If I do I take it with a grain of salt. As for opinion being gospel you’re the one saying they ate looking backup. I’m not saying they’re doing anything or not. They could have put the Wentz thing out.

    You asked me a question and I answered it.

    My original point was everyone I know understands the situation with Bradford and our search for a young franchise QB.

  326. 326 Jack Waggoner said at 9:18 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    If they’re in love with Wentz, then they should do whatever they can. I personally am iffy at best about him

  327. 327 Dave said at 9:45 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I’m not saying they are looking for a backup , Doug and Lurie are.

    You and everyone you know are admittedly ignoring what the owner and coach are saying and believe they are looking for “a young franchise player”based on your 22 seasons of being a season ticket holder.

    We can agree to disagree. We only have another 35 days to find out.

  328. 328 RC5000 said at 7:14 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Haha, Well it’s not quite the same. I bet you didn’t predict moving up from 13 to 8. 8 isn’t 20 and they could realistically move up 2-3 spots without mortgaging the future.. We don’t have a QB for the future yet

  329. 329 eagleyankfan said at 7:18 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    I’m just saying between now and the draft – we’re going to see all sorts of crazy rumors.

  330. 330 RC5000 said at 7:24 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    For sure lol.

  331. 331 peteike said at 11:15 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Agree and will be disappointed if they don’t get one of the two. So what’s skinny on Goff besides small hands thing. Otherwise he seemed like consensus 1 off the bat. I get Wentz projects better but what are good traits for Goff, accuracy?

  332. 332 RC5000 said at 7:07 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Charles Davis new mock is very different. I think Browns Hue Jackson is likely taking a QB. But it’s different than many mocks.

  333. 333 Sean Stott said at 8:30 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    It’s sad to say, but Randle is the best WR on this roster at this point in time. That’s how low the Eagles WR have been. At only 500k guaranteed, there’s literally nothing to complain about. If he outperforms the incumbent WRs (which he should and should be very easy to do), he gets paid 3 million, which isn’t close to back-breaking.

    Love it.

  334. 334 Jack Waggoner said at 8:59 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    The Giants fans over at Big Blue View aren’t too broken up over losing Randle.

  335. 335 anon said at 9:40 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Probably as torn up as we were about losing miles austin.

  336. 336 Greg Richards said at 9:01 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Impromptu forum mock draft. I’ll pick #1, next replier picks #2, and so forth. Obviously, no trades.

    With the #1 overall pick in the 2016 NFL Draft, the Tennessee Titans select Laremy Tunsil, OT, Mississippi.

  337. 337 RC5000 said at 9:07 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    With the #1 overall pick in the 2016 NFL Draft, the Cleveland Browns select Carson Wentz QB.

  338. 338 A_T_G said at 9:08 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    With the #3 overall pick, the Chargers select Jalen Ramsey.

  339. 339 truehaynes said at 9:09 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    With the 4th pick, the Dallas cowboys select ezekial elliot

  340. 340 disqus_jB7dl5fzvO said at 9:12 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Jaguars select Myles Jack. *at #5 overall

  341. 341 Jack Waggoner said at 9:21 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Baltimore Bosa

  342. 342 Insomniac said at 9:23 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Niners Vernon Adams HA

  343. 343 A_T_G said at 9:23 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    With the magical #8 pick that Howie removed from the Dolphins in a trade that was reminiscent of trading baseball cards with a kid three grades younger on the playground, the Eagles select the future, the dream, the Goff.

  344. 344 A_T_G said at 9:39 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Alright, so the Niners take Goff?

  345. 345 RC5000 said at 9:41 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    No Buckner to Niners. Goff to Eagles. Bucs on the clock at #9.

  346. 346 truehaynes said at 9:43 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    God I just want Jack or Ramsey somehow. That would be my wet dream

  347. 347 RC5000 said at 9:59 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    With the 9th overall pick, the Tampa Bay Bucs select OT Ronnie Stanley

  348. 348 RC5000 said at 10:05 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Giants are on the clock at #10

  349. 349 Insomniac said at 10:35 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Giants take Ronnie Stanley

  350. 350 RC5000 said at 10:41 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Chicago Bears s are on the clock at #11

    1. San Diego – Laremy Tunsil, OT
    2. Cleveland – Carson Wentz , QB
    3. San Diego – Jalen Ramsey, DB
    4. Dallas – Ezekiel Elliott , RB
    5. Jacksonville – Myles Jack, OLB
    6. Baltimore – Joey Bosa, DE/OLB
    7. San Francisco – DeForest Buckner, DE/DT
    8. Eagles – Jared Goff, QB
    9. Tampa Bay – Vernon Hargreaves III, CB
    10. NY Giants – Ronnie Stanley, OT

  351. 351 Mitchell said at 10:52 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Bears select DARRON LEE, LB, out of Ohio St.

  352. 352 RC5000 said at 10:56 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    New Orleans Saints are on the clock at #12

    1. Tennessee – Laremy Tunsil, OT
    2. Cleveland – Carson Wentz , QB
    3. San Diego – Jalen Ramsey, DB
    4. Dallas – Ezekiel Elliott , RB
    5. Jacksonville – Myles Jack, OLB
    6. Baltimore – Joey Bosa, DE/OLB
    7. San Francisco – DeForest Buckner, DE/DT
    8. Eagles – Jared Goff, QB
    9. Tampa Bay – Vernon Hargreaves III, CB
    10. NY Giants – Ronnie Stanley, OT
    11. Chicago – Darron Lee, LB

  353. 353 Jack Waggoner said at 11:04 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Saints Treadwell

  354. 354 RC5000 said at 11:17 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Miami selects Mackensie Alexander , CB Clemson

  355. 355 RC5000 said at 11:19 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Miami selects Mackensie Alexander , CB Clemson.
    Oakland Raiders are on the clock at #14

    1. Tennessee – Laremy Tunsil, OT
    2. Cleveland – Carson Wentz , QB
    3. San Diego – Jalen Ramsey, DB
    4. Dallas – Ezekiel Elliott , RB
    5. Jacksonville – Myles Jack, OLB
    6. Baltimore – Joey Bosa, DE/OLB
    7. San Francisco – DeForest Buckner, DE/DT
    8. Eagles – Jared Goff, QB
    9. Tampa Bay – Vernon Hargreaves III, CB
    10. NY Giants – Ronnie Stanley, OT
    11. Chicago – Darron Lee, LB
    12. New Orleans – Laquon Treadwell, WR
    13. Miami – Mackensie Alexander , CB

  356. 356 RC5000 said at 12:27 AM on March 24th, 2016:

    I moved this over to new thread. We’ll see if it keeps going.Please don’t reply here.

  357. 357 RC5000 said at 11:05 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    New Orleans selects Mackensie Alexander , CB Clemson

  358. 358 RC5000 said at 11:07 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Miami Dolphins are on the clock at #13

    1. Tennessee – Laremy Tunsil, OT
    2. Cleveland – Carson Wentz , QB
    3. San Diego – Jalen Ramsey, DB
    4. Dallas – Ezekiel Elliott , RB
    5. Jacksonville – Myles Jack, OLB
    6. Baltimore – Joey Bosa, DE/OLB
    7. San Francisco – DeForest Buckner, DE/DT
    8. Eagles – Jared Goff, QB
    9. Tampa Bay – Vernon Hargreaves III, CB
    10. NY Giants – Ronnie Stanley, OT
    11. Chicago – Darron Lee, LB
    12. New Orleans – Mackensie Alexander , CB

  359. 359 John Galt said at 10:02 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Bucs take hargraves

  360. 360 Greg Richards said at 9:41 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Think this is going to die out on its own, but you had already taken Goff by the time I saw the silly pick for the 49ers. I don’t know how much influence Chip has, but he doesn’t like small-handed QBs so it wouldn’t surprise me that he’s not a fan of Goff. I’ve also read that the 49ers are targeting Connor Cook in Rd 2. They have need on the DL. Buckner is a feasible pick for them.

  361. 361 A_T_G said at 9:49 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Goff coming off the board before our pick here would represent my nightmare scenario for pick 8.

  362. 362 Rambo said at 9:49 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    U seriously made my heart sad. Don’t play like that.

  363. 363 Greg Richards said at 9:29 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Please, no silly picks. Since the Goff pick to Eagles have already been made. Let’s say DeForest Buckner to the 49ers.

  364. 364 Insomniac said at 10:05 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Even better. I hope he reaches for Buckner.

  365. 365 Jack Waggoner said at 10:52 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Not a reach. Would be a very good pick

  366. 366 RC5000 said at 9:30 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Get some sleep. I was going Niners DeForest Buckner if no one was going to pick here. Yes I know they have Armstead.

  367. 367 peteike said at 11:33 PM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Lol sixers