More on the QB Situation
Posted March 29th, 2016 | 215 Comments »Drew Brees was drafted by the Chargers in 2001. He barely played that year, but started all 16 games in 2002 and the team went 8-8. Things looked good. Injuries limited Brees to 11 starts in 2003 and the team struggled, netting them the top pick in the draft.
Coach Marty Schottenheimer fell in love with QB Philip Rivers and the Chargers got him that spring (through a complicated trade with the Giants). The Chargers weren’t ready to give up on Brees, but they had a chance to grab someone they felt was an elite QB prospect and that was too good to pass up.
Brees wasn’t sure how to handle the situation. Should he demand a trade or confront team management? Should he just give up? Brees instead had a revelation. He decided that he was going to take ownership of the situation. The Chargers had been his team the past 2 years. He was going to embrace that fact and do everything he could to keep the job.
Brees had his breakout season in 2004, throwing 27 TDs and finishing with a rating of 104.8. The Chargers went 12-4. They were most certainly still his team and life was good. Things were more up and down in 2005, but the team still went 9-7 and Brees started all 16 games, playing well.
Unfortunately Brees hurt his shoulder late in the season so San Diego decided to let him walk away as a free agent. They turned the team over to Rivers, who has been a borderline Hall of Fame QB for them. That’s one hell of a succession plan for how to move on from Brees.
The Chargers could have worried about Brees feelings in the 2004 draft and added a player like OL Robert Gallery (#2 pick) or Larry Fitzgerald (#3 pick). Maybe adding Fitz to the mix would have put them over the top. But you don’t know if Brees would have been the same QB if circumstances were different. The presence of Rivers ended up having a very positive impact on him and his game.
The Eagles can’t worry about Sam Bradford’s feelings when the draft rolls around. They have to pick the best player for the team. If Bradford gets spooked by the presence of a rookie, then he’s not going to lead you anywhere in January anyway. You have to be mentally and emotionally tough to make it as an NFL QB.
Doug Pederson was asked recently if the Packers habit of drafting QBs ever bothered Brett Favre. Pederson laughed at that idea.
Bradford and the Eagles agreed to a marriage of convenience. They needed him to keep the team competitive in the short run. He needed a starting job and good paycheck. If Bradford magically becomes an elite QB, he’ll be with the Eagles for a while. If he’s pretty good, he’s likely gone in a year or two. If he struggles, Bradford can go fishing with Kevin Kolb and Mike Kafka.
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#Eagles, who worked out Jared Goff on Monday, are scheduled to work out Carson Wentz tomorrow.
— Adam Caplan (@caplannfl) March 29, 2016
No surprise. The Eagles are making sure they check out as many QBs as possible. Wentz is either #1 or #2 on almost all draft boards. The guy has tremendous potential.
While I prefer Jared Goff, I could easily see Pederson preferring Wentz. The big question is whether he gets past pick #2 and the Browns. Hue Jackson loved Carson Palmer, who he coached at USC and with the Bengals. Wentz reminds me somewhat of Palmer. I could see Jackson grabbing him in a heartbeat.
And I would have no problem if the Eagles did take Wentz at #8. If that’s the guy they believe in and he slides that far, take him.
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Philadelphia Eagles working out Kevin Hogan/QB and Devon Cajuste/WR-TE at Stanford today…
— Tony Pauline (@TonyPauline) March 29, 2016
Philadelphia Eagles also working out Blake Martinez at Stanford today.
— Tony Pauline (@TonyPauline) March 29, 2016
This is worth noting for sure, but also remember the team was in the area already to check out Goff. Cal is in Berkley and Stanford is Palo Alto, both outside of San Francisco. Why not go look at the Stanford kids if you’re in the area?
I like Hogan quite a bit as a mid-round guy. Very smart QB with good ability and tons of experience. Might be a starter, but could at least be solid backup.
Cajuste is a big WR at 6-4, 234. And he still runs a 4.6. That’s impressive.
Martinez is a MLB/WLB type. Late round guy, most likely.
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I’d be happy with Goff, Lynch or Hogan. Pick the best guy at 8, if it’s not a qb you have Hogan with the 2nd pick in the 4th, not sure he lasts till mid 5th round.
Goff = 8
Lynch = trade back into the late 20s or 2nd round
Hogan = day 3
the Rams will Å‚et Lynch get to #20?
And past it. I keep reading Denver at #31 for Lynch.
They wish!!! That’s a Dangerous game to play….. Think they would be foolish to assume they can sit at 31 and get him, when there would probably be a good chance a QB needy team who planned on drafting their QB at the beginning of round two, like maybe the Cowboys, would leap them and trade back into the end of round 1’and steal the falling QB… Teams also like trading back into round 1 for a QB so they can get him with a 5th year option instead of only having him for 4years taking him in round 2.
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If they really want Lynch, they should probably trade up to like #25 and take him, or risk getting leapfrogged and lose him…. Unless they have another QB like Cook or Cadale rated closely to Lynch and don’t care as long as they end up with one of them
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You also have to wonder if Rivers would have been as good as he has been without sitting behind Brees those 2 years.
I’m a big fan of “sit em” as a start to their career.
Me too. Nothing wrong with patience to get to the goal. Rushing does not usually translate to success.
“They turned the team over to Rivers, who has been a borderline Hall of Fame QB for them.”
Rivers is a 5 time pro bowler, 92-68 career record. 65% comp %, 41447 yards, 281 TDs, 135 INTs, career 95.5 rating.
For comparison’s sake;
Kurt Warner, who I wouldn’t put in the hall while a lot of people who don’t math too good want to, was
4 time pro bowl – 2 time all pro, 67-49 career record, 65% comp %, 32344 yards, 208 TDs, 128 INTs, 93.7 rating.
Eli Manning, who New York fluffers want to put in the HOF,
4 time pro bowl, 97-86 career record, 59.3 % comp %, 44191 yards, 294 TD, 199 INTs, 83.5 rating.
Big Ben, who I’d say is better than Warner and Manning;
4 time pro bowl, 113-56, 64.1 % comp %, 42995 yards, 272 TDs, 147 INTs, 94 rating.
So considering Rivers and Big Ben are comparable, better than Warner, and much better than Eli……………
I’d vote River into the HOF……….and still be a no on Eli and Warner.
You can have the regular season stat stuffers. I’ll take Warner over those guys that couldn’t perform the same in the playoffs.
Team game. Warner simply doesn’t have enough good seasons. He was surrounded with HOF / close to HOF talent at multiple positions.
HOF QBs should be guys who can elevate a team… not QBs who were in the right place at the right time.
And Warner didn’t elevate squat.
No, the only thing I can give him is that his pop gun arm was just enough, and he had seen JJ’s defensive scheme just enough after 6 qtrs of football that he was able to squeeze past us to lose the Lombardi to Pittsburgh… ugh. That game was soooo bad. That Eagles team would have face rolled that Steeler squad.
Warner killed us that game. Asante couldn’t cover his own ass and Warner knew it.
Warner got owned half of that game and the entire previous game.
We were down 14+ points by that half of that game..
Ah, I had it backwards, he was owned in the second half except for the final drive.
So, yeah… don’t break your arm patting yourself on the back.
You and I seem to have very different memories of that NFC championship game.
How’s your memory of the 2009 Thanksgiving black-out beat down of the below average Kurt Warner and the Cardinals?
Why are you changing games now? Are you that bitter?
Because that game symbolizes the career of Kurt Warner more so than the pedestal you have him on… Without Larry Fitzgerald Kurt Warner is nothing.
You can claim irrational opinions all you want but the fact that Warner is still one of the best playoff QBs of all time says..your opinion is shit.
Oh man, you really got me there. My mistake was in thinking that I was arguing with another human being with a brain. I’m sorry… I’ll stop now.
Have a good day sir. Maybe grow some thicker skin before you try to make a sound argument next time.
Check yourself before you wreck yourself bro. You’re the one swearing and acting crazy in defense of a mediocre QB.
Educate yourself next time. I know it’s hard.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2014/kurt-warner-hall-fame-case
Thank you for posting that, but I consider all of the positive stuff on there secondary to this;
“Think of a pie with a delicious top layer and a fresh crust underneath. Now imagine the filling as the most rancid thing you ever tasted. Would you still praise that pie or would you send it back? That pie is Kurt Warner’s career. It starts off great, but once you get to the middle, everything goes sour. For some people, it’s not worth digging through to get to the good stuff at the bottom.”
This isn’t a single Dan Fouts forward HOF QB with this level of rot in the middle of his career. To me that really makes his too far removed from who I’d put in the HOF.
So he couldn’t turn the Giants around (thank god). That’s still 2/3 teams that he turned around. Warner’s lows undoubtedly turn some people off but to call him mediocre? Ridiculous. All you had to do was watch him play when he was at his best and you could tell he was one of the best to ever play.
mmmm pie
Just posted a list above of some of his contemporaries. For me it’s not about hating Warner, it’s about the fact that I just don’t see him as a “great” QB. Whatever “wow” factor there is gets lost in the trash.
His absolute best seasons were simply amazing. There simply weren’t enough of them for me to see him as HOF.
That’s the big problem for me as well… those season appear to be the statistical outliers rather than the norm.
Read the article, and it pretty much sums up why I don’t believe he’s HOF worthy. I’m not a Rams or Cardinals fan, so I don’t follow either of those teams closely. I still see a QB who was elevated by his weapons and had a career that is largely forgettable.
I looked up some QBs who are contemporary to Warner and here’s the one’s I would prefer to have on my team rather than your boy Kurt Warner… Alphabetically:
Aikman
Brady
Brees
Cunningham
Elway
Favre
Flacco
Hasselbeck
Manning
Marino
McNabb
McNair
Palmer
Rivers
Rodgers
Roethlisberger
Romo
Vick
Young
Here’s the one’s I’d consider basically a coin flip/similar talent level with Warner:
Bledsoe
Bulger
Collins
Culpepper
Delhomme
Dilfer
Edwards
Fitzpatrick
Gannon
Garcia
Garrard
Kitna
Manning (the other)
Pennington
Summary:
There are 19 QBs who played the game during the same years Warner was playing that I think would have elevated the team beyond the level he had them playing at.
There are 14 guys who played the game during Warner’s tenure who could have probably produced similar results.
If he is in my opinion “maybe” the 20th best QB during that 12 year stretch of football, why in the world would I consider him HOF material?
You’re clearly delusional.
Took 2 abysmal teams to Super Bowls and was only one play away to winning each Super Bowl that he lost isn’t elevating squat? Then again you’re obsessed with the mediocre playoff QBs in Big Ben and Rivers.
For sake of discussion, does McNabb meet that criteria?
It’s my opinion that McNabb meets that criteria. I think he is a gifted enough QB that if he were dragged and dropped in on another team he immediately elevates said team (with a lower caliber QB) to a higher level. He does get tricky though because I think an important discussion is this: did Reid make McNabb or did McNabb make Reid? The farther away I get from that era the more I think they both helped and hindered each other (perhaps at equal amounts).
Some may point out the opposite of that happening at the end of his career with the WASTEAM, but I would counter that by saying that his career was basically over at that point and we essentially robbed Washington blind on that trade.
I agree with you about Donovan and I like your point about him and Reid. I think McNabb did more for Reid than the other way around. Andy sent McNabb onto the field for all those years with a mediocre, at best, receiving corps and expected him to make the offense work.
I do think a strong case can be made for McNabb working miracles with sub optimal WR corps. It’s pretty easy to argue that his best weapons were Westbrook and T.O. If only Shawn Andrews loved playing football… those screens to Westbrook with Andrews out front were a thing of beauty.
I’d like to see Sproles used in a manner similar to the way Andy used Westy.
That would be so great. I wonder if Brooks can move anything like Andrews.
God no. What did McNabb do without a defense to make up for his slow starts.
The mist of memory had covered over my recollection of those slow starts. That used to drive me crazy. I still say, though, that McNabb would have been more succesful under a coach who recognized the need for quality wrs.
Lienart did nothing with AZ. Warner took over and it was night and day. Warner really was that good, one of the best who ever lived.
It’s all about Championships (usually) for QBs.
Championships matter zero (since 1960) when assessing how good of a case a player has for HOF when I stack it against overall sustained career excellence.
Yes, but you don’t get a vote. Whether right or wrong, the championships do appear to matter for those who do actually vote.
At times. They certainly don’t matter for Jim Plunkett.
When YOU stack it. But, you aren’t a HOF voter are you?
I should be. We’d have better HOF classes each year anda more exclusive HOF at certain positions like RB, QB, and WR.
Drew Brees is a really good dude.
He’d seem a lot cooler to me if he didn’t try to squeeze every penny out of the Saints forcing them to lose guys like Malcom Jenkins and Darren Sproles. I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve the money he makes, but when you are set to be worth over 100 million dollars maybe you should take a few million less if you care about winning.
Here is a Wentz-based draft
Round 1 Pick 8: Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State (A+)
Round 3 Pick 14: Christian Westerman, OG, Arizona State (A)
Round 3 Pick 16: Su’a Cravens, OLB/SS, Southern California (A+)
Round 4 Pick 2: Connor McGovern, OG, Missouri (B+)
Round 5 Pick 14: Ronald Blair, DE, Appalachian State (A)
Round 5 Pick 25: Tyler Ervin, RB, San Jose State (A+)
Round 6 Pick 13: Kavon Frazier, FS, Central Michigan (B-)
Round 7 Pick 12: Deiondre’ Hall, CB, Northern Iowa (A+)
Round 7 Pick 30: Quinton Jefferson, DT, Maryland (B-)
Wentz isn’t making it to #8. From what I’m reading, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Wentz/Goff go #1 & #2 this year (in no specific order).
Here is a new one then. First 7 were Tunsil, Ramsey, Jack, Stanely, Wentz, Goff, and Darron Lee.
Round 1 Pick 8: DeForest Buckner, DE/DT, Oregon (A+)
Round 3 Pick 14: Darian Thompson, FS, Boise State (A-)
Round 3 Pick 16: Jonathan Williams, RB, Arkansas (B+)
Round 4 Pick 2: Connor McGovern, OG, Missouri (B+)
Round 5 Pick 14: Rashard Robinson, CB, LSU (A+)
Round 5 Pick 25: Ronald Blair, DE, Appalachian State (A+)
Round 6 Pick 13: Brandon Doughty, QB, Western Kentucky (A)
Round 7 Pick 12: Parker Ehinger, OG, Cincinnati (B)
Round 7 Pick 30: Daniel Braverman, WR, Western Michigan (A+)
🙂 That was more tongue in cheek than anything else. Still doesn’t mean they don’t try to trade up for him.
I agree with Tommy, i do not see an issue with drafting a QB at no.8. (eg Goff)
If Bradford is not able to final convert his potential, continues to be poor/very average, then you have a QB sitting behind him developing and being able to work on his technique and mechanics without the pressure of having to prepare for games each week.
If Bradford is great then you can either trade Goff for a package in 1 or 2 years time to a QB needy team and get the value back of the pick in all likelihood, or you can trade Bradford after 1 year (his contract is very tradable for a team) and get a decent draft pick for him. Or you let him walk after 2 years like the chargers did and be in a situation to move on to your young franchise QB.
I am coming to the opinion we should be getting a QB top 10, and i do not mind any of the big 3 honestly. If there is one they specifically like trade up for him if the price is not crazy. I want us to keep burning assets taking shots at QB’s until we find the solution. I am fed up with not having a franchise QB, it means your team has no stability and continuity that you need to allow long term success. If Doug finds a franchise QB, he will be around a long time with Howie and they can build the long term foundation for success.
You have to keep taking shots at QB until you have the right one for long-term success.
Brees has been a great QB for a long time, overall better than Rivers. Maybe the Chargers would have been a better team had they kept Brees and drafted future HOF receiver Fitzgerald. I don’t know if it can be concluded that Rivers made Brees a better QB. Brees is a self-motivated guy.
I think the point Tommy was making is that Brees may have become self-motivated because of them drafting Rivers; seeing that his role was expendable may have changed his mindset and helped lead to his future success.
I understand; however, my impression of Brees is that he doesn’t need external motivation. (Just an opinion.) As far as Bradford goes, I would think his history of injury and much of the the press writing him off as a bust would serve as enough of a motivating factor without bringing in a rookie QB. He already has Daniel breathing down his neck. I’m not saying that the Birds shouldn’t draft a QB, I’m just questioning the logic about it being a motivating factor in this case.
Yeah, after everything Sam has been thru, he is the last person I expect to take a chance to play for Granted… Sounded like he delivered that message to the locker room last year on multiple occassions,
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always thought that a good indicator about a QB is how his defensive teammates feel about him, and my impression is that the entire locker room was/is behind SAM…
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Hopefully he finally gets a 3 or 4 year window of good health and continuity to finally really find out how good he can be… But Luck and Staying healthy will play a big role in that
Think the point is that two quality starting QBs is a Great “problem” to have
careful with the “D” word bro.
yeah, that’s what Tommy is saying and frankly it’s a real leap.
Brees hurt his shoulder while in SD and many thought his career was over
Miami walked away from a deal with Brees and then New Orleans signed him.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000648645/article/potential-offensive-draft-steals-clemson-wr-peake-leads-list
Peake posse adds a new member + D3’s Grant gang grows.
Brees and Grylls are two cool cats.
I’m certainly not a college football fan, generally have no idea about any of the prospects this year even. I’m certainly not a Purdue fan for any reason – if anything, I’ll watch some Penn State just to have something to discuss with alumnus buddies. But I watched nearly every game of Purdue’s season in (99?) because I loved watching Brees run that offense. Probably the only time I watched a non-Penn State college team that much in my whole life, including my alma maters. Was disappointed that when he left San Diego the Eagles couldn’t somehow pick him up. I was that much of a fan. And I really liked #5 at the time, but I loved Brees.
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2016/03/former_eagles_front_office_executive_chip_kelly_al.html
“Whether it was Roseman who took public responsibility for Smith or Kelly who ultimately pulled the trigger on the Louisville linebacker, it is fair to say that the decision was far from unanimous in the war room that night.
“Personally, I had Smith with a third-round grade,” the source said. “That was one of the shockers of the first round — that he went as high as he did.””
REACH!
That article is a pretty damning view of Kelly. The night before the draft he goes into the room where the scouting department has the board set and moves guys around, pull cards off the board and throws them away? And that was before he actually had control. Wow.
Lol @ Chip ”MIKE Martz jr” kelly aka “the Mad King”
The head scratching part is his complete inability to ever accept responsibility. Such a stark difference from Reid who would fall on any sword or sharp object laying around. I have never heard Chip actually accept responsibility for anything. Sure toward the end of the season he finally admitted that the coaches could do a better job.
If the leader of an organization is never culpable how will there ever be growth?
I think Chip would be willing to accept responsibility among his equals, but he’s not going to discuss it with the media who he considers to be idiots.
The problem is that Chip doesn’t think he has any equals… maybe Belichick? Maybe he calls up Bill and says ‘yeah I really screwed the pooch on that one.”
I can see that. Don’t agree with the thinking at all but I can see that.
Yeah the lede was kind of buried there.
some awesome quotes:
“Right before that draft, the scouts set the board,” the person said Tuesday. “Then Chip got a hold of it and totally turned it around. Scouts had no say at all in that draft. Anybody that Chip didn’t want, that player’s card got removed from the board and thrown in the trash. Those guys were never even in the discussion.
“Almost immediately, you had a lot of scouts looking around and wondering, ‘Why am I even working? Why the hell are we even here?’ We put all of this work in, put the information in and Chip changed everything and took whoever he wanted to take.”
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“Everything hit the fan after that (2014) season. Chip left town almost immediately. Howie fired [Gamble] and then Chip gets hold of it, comes right back to the building and put his foot down [to owner Jeffrey Lurie].
“I knew right there it was the beginning of the end for Chip. He did everything he wanted. He had to win and win big to hold onto his job after that season. Meanwhile, Howie was away from personnel decisions, preparing to be back in charge, if that chance ever came.”
I’ve read many “draft experts” who had him in mid-second as well, so according to some, not too much of a reach. He’s still got time to come around. He did look good against NY in the last game, but then again, it was NY, so not much competition!
Its still only 1 scout.
But this article pretty much puts every draft pick on Kelly’s shoulders no matter what
the article makes it sound like it was one of OUR scouts that said this. pretty intense accusations. holy crap.
When Roseman has to Beg Chip to not draft a player because he is certain we can get the same player Later, that should have been a giant red flag, but I was busy Chugging Cultish mass suicide, poison flavored Kool aid, hoping that it was going to be a learning experience for chip that would make him a better NFL decision maker in the future…
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Hopefully Chip has a BIG season in San Fran, wrestlers power away from Baalke, and we can sit and enjoy Chips roster moves from a far
Honestly as much as I dislike Kelly, Baalke might be an even worst evaluator of talent then Chip was. Its fun seeing the Niners crash and burn after the horrendous moves they have made in recent years.
Baalke had a lot of picks These last few years, so he tried to take advantage of injured Talemt that he had to redshirt falling to later rounds, and all those injured players they drafted didn’t amount to much..
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With all the injured players Baalke Drafted, and Chip being so willing to completely over look injury history, lol should be an entertaining ride to view from a far
There may be no real evidence for it, but I still say Chip was going to take Dion Jordan over Lane Johnson. What a disaster that would have been! Without Lane Johnson on the roster now, the Eagles retooling would have been more of a rebuilding.
I haven’t read the article yet (I will), but reaches and busts happen to virtually every team. You’re always projecting, and it isn’t a game of perfect information. Sometimes you roll the dice and it doesn’t work out. That’s the draft, and that’s life.
Yeah, but the goal of the player personnel department is to minimize the risks. If you throw their input out the window and then fail you don’t have much room to say “welp, it happens to everyone!”
Sorry, but consensus was that Smith was a first round pick. Maybe not where we picked him, but he was going in the first round. There was a run on DEs right after that, including several players who had been ranked lower than Smith (Laurence in Dallas, for example).
Any clown can tell you it was a reach after the fact. But at the time, it was not the reach that many have claimed. That many, for some reason, continue to claim, only now with the disingenuous benefit of hindsight.
Now reading that article, I see that it appeared to be someone internal that made the claim about Smith. I still think he wasn’t near the reach that some claim, based on draft position and without hindsight.
But that article is interesting, at the very least. Doesn’t paint Chip and Gamble in the best light.
All of the best available info on Marcus Smith was end of 2nd / top of 3rd guy. NFL.com had him a low as a 4th rounder.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/marcus-smith?id=2543725
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2129296/marcus-smith
He went 26 because somebody on the team panicked that a pass rusher wouldn’t be available later in that draft and there was a rumor the Redskins would take him at the top of the 2nd round.
I can 100% assure you that many of us were screaming “REACH” at the time of the pick.
I realllllly wanted to get through the week without hearing about Chip Kelly. Glad he’s gone and thanks Lurie for getting rid of that cancer. However, I can’t take anything from nj.com seriously.
I don’t care as much if the Eagles reach for someone who can play. It’s not perfect but OK. The Eagles reach for people who can’t play.
“Rivers, who has been a borderline Hall of Fame QB for them” – Can’t tell if sarcasm or serious! I don’t see that, not even close.
You don’t think Rivers has been a HOF QB? That dude is money and has been for years.
What has he done that has made him a HoF QB?
…..hence the borderline comment.
Yes I know but Sean thinks that Rivers is a HoF QB.
If he wins a Superbowl before he retires he is going to be a finalist multiple times at the very least. Unfortunately his wagon seems pretty hitched to SD.. so that aint gonna happen.
Money? 5 playoff wins? Sounds more like spare change.
95.5 Career passer rating.
#8 all time. Not bad
….Terry Bradshaw = 138th.
Yep. All he’s done is been an elite QB for almost a decade. That’s it!
Not to mention his ability to actually play well the last few seasons with such dregs surrounding him.
I would say he is closer to the Hall than Donovan McNabb, and that is easily our best QB of old.
QB stats mean nothing outside of the context of the era in which the QB played. Unless of course you think Chad Pennington was better than Dan Marino and Roger Staubach.
My personal assumption is that we are going to end up taking a mid round type like Hogan, not because we already have SAM, but because I don’t think Goff nor Lynch are special enough, and I don’t expect Wentz to fall to #8
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For me, getting a guy like Hogan with the Boykin pick we get from steelers would be ideal. It doesn’t have to be Hogan, but I would like it to be a mid round guy.
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I don’t expect us to like Goff or Lynch enough, but if im wrong and they love him, then they should draft him, even tho I’m very much interested in seeing BRADFORDS future as the grand Puba of our offense
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Have two quality starting QBs is a “problem” I welcome with open arms
Hogan would seem a tad rich for the 4th round.
Isn’t the steelers pick a 5th rounder?
Yes. Brain fart.
You may not be wrong tho,,, Its plausible that a team would take him off the board before he got to us in the 5th, so taking him with the Boykin pick may not be realistic just by the nature of Qbs typically getting over drafted
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I would never want to see us spend pick #100 on Hogan.
My condolences to all the delusion Deangello Russell fans… I can’t stop laughing
He has fans?
Silly SIXER fans who massively over rated him
i hope Kobe fights him as his last hoorah!
https://twitter.com/_CoachHill/status/715162384067928065
Haven’t been following NBA this season. Context plz! This is fine meme material though.
Russell secretly recorded a conversation between him and Nick Young where Young basically admitted to cheating on his famous fiancée Iggy Azalea. Somehow the video was leaked to the public and most likely ruined Young’s relationship, although you can say he ruined it on his own by cheating. The entire Lakers team has shunned Russell.
It certainly puts any maturity concerns about Okafor and Embiid in a different light.
You’re absolutely right. Russell may be 20 years old but he clearly seems to act like a 13 year old.
How bad do you think it is in LA? Are the Lakers going to need to move him after this? If so, should the Sixers be interested?
That’s a good question pal. I know the Lakers have been trying to rid themselves of Nick Young so I believe his time in LA is done for sure. Now as for Russell, I don’t think LA should consider moving on from him even with this damning situation looming over them. As it stands the Lakers only have 3 players worth keeping on the roster past this year and they are Russell, Clarkson, and Randle. As for the Sixers, I don’t think I could hurt to give the Lakers a call for Russell.
This is Horrible for the Lakers. Russells trade value takes a Massive hit, and no team is going to bail them out and give the Lakers anything close to fair value in return.
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I always thought he was grossly over rated to begin with. im not a big fan of the kid at all. I don’t believe he will be a premier PG, and I think there are multiple PG prospects in next years draft that id rather have…. The ONLY thing that gives me a little interest in Russell is that I think this does massive Damage to his trade value and could be an opportunity to “Buy Low”
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Put it to you this way, I think Mrs Buss would give her left Tit To trade him for a guy drafted in the 10-20 range like ROdney Hood, Devin Booker, myles Turner, and won’t be able to get a team to give up a young player of that Caliber. And they have ZERO chance of getting anything close to Okafor, Porzingis, Mudiay in return for him…
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There best bet is to either sell low unloading him now, or they will have to probably get rid of Jordan Clarkson, Larry Nance and Julius Randle because no laker will trust this kid again, and they have to HOPE they can draft not only a bigger name kid like Ben Simmons, but a kid who already has a good pre-existing relationship with Russell, like his former MonteVerde academy Teammate Ben Simmon…. So Basically, I think this is a major Nightmare for the Lakers, and because of This, I hope we don’t get the Lakers pick tnis yeà r,because Russell completely ensures they will be a disaster of a dumpster fire for the next two years,.. Hopefully they get the #3 pick this year, so we can get their pick next year or the year after
It’s also worth mentioning that in the long run he probably did Nick Young a huge favor. Iggy Azalea? ewwww.
lol Very true.
What’s wrong with you? Iggy is hot as hell
If I didn’t know she was with Swaggy P, I’d consider her hot as well. He kind of ruins it however.
Standalone / no knowledge of her past history; she’s attractive.
She’s an Australian that does her interpretation of American hood speak. She’s a modern day minstrel show.
Ya think? I have a movie for you! Check out these hotties: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0381707/
Difference is its Nick Youngs relationship to RUIN, NOT Russells’s……
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Doubt other players would care if Young ruined his own relationship… Pretty big difference wouldn’t you say?
I agree. Still don’t think Russell should have secretly recorded his own teammate’s confession. Sounds like Russell wants to get inside Iggy’s pants.
Allegedly he tried multiple times to appologize to Young who wasn’t interested in His appology.
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lakers are the Morons that allowed their top rookie to room on the road with immature “Swaggy P” all year..
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Obviously only Russell can be blamed for this, but the Lakers screwed everything up in so many ways
Just as a person that’s pretty terrible to do to someone, but your teammate?
Lol. Good to see Nick Young is the same scum he always was. Really didn’t like him in DC.
daaaayyyyuuummmmm..
Lol that’s priceless. Thanks for sharing that!!
More so than the incident itself this shows a fundamental lack of judgment. Like an astonishing lack. In what person’s mind is this a funny joke even if you only showed it to his teammate.
Re: 1st Round QB . . . Where’s Lurie Been?
Will the Birds go QB in Rd 1?
So far, no one’s reporting that Lurie’s met with Wentz, Goff, or Lynch.
Nor has Lurie — so far as anyone’s reported — attended their private workouts.
In past years, if a QB prospect could potentially be drafted as the “face of the franchise,” Lurie’s personally met the guy. (Recall his trip to Morgantown WVA to meet Geno Smith.)
Other teams must know that.
So, if past is prologue, if Lurie doesn’t meet any of the Big 3, then it seems the Eagles won’t be going QB in Rd 1.
It’s early still. So the Birds can bring these guys to NovaCare for a sit down with the owner.
What’s the best approach?
(1) Lurie meets secretly with them — getting each QB (and agent) to sign an oath promising their first born if they tell other teams, or
(2) Lurie admits meeting w/ them, or
(3) Lurie tells the world he’s never met with them.
Other teams may bet that by Lurie meeting the Big 3, it means the Eagles really do want a QB . . . or don’t . . . or who know.
Etc. Etc. Etc.
The old double double-cross — as Maxwell Smart would put it.
Just saw this. . . Lurie must have been in the baggage compartment of that plane carrying Pederson and Roseman
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Wow, ESP might actually be right about this one.
I’m pretty sure he went to Geno Smith’s workout though I personally don’t think it’s a smokescreen either and wouldn’t be surprised if they took a QB.
Pssh, Lurie doesn’t fly commercial with the plebs.
He has a teleportation device.
Stargate!!!
Wasnt he the guy that yesterday wrote that he couldnt see the Eagles taking a QB at 8?
Yep.
https://twitter.com/EliotShorrParks/status/714975936907763712
That’s a dumb opinion because even if the Eagles have no intention of taking a QB at #8 they want other teams to think they will so those QBs are off the board before they pick, increasing the number of non-QBs available for their selection.
ESP isn’t really fluent in common sense.
,I wonder how many people who understand football less than ESP have been allowed to cover this team? I put his analysis on Amy Fadools level..
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ESP is like the “KOTITE” of Local Eagles beat reporters
Think that’s just as dumb of an opinion, and the truth is probably that they are still going on these visits to try and Figure out WHO they really Like..
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Probably a mistake to think they have their draft board set, and already have made decisions on these QBs…
ESP is one of the minority people that still believe Bradford can improve and be an elite QB. I guess in his eyes the 7th year in the NFL is the breakout year.
Huh? He was one of the most vocal saying they wouldn’t and shouldn’t bring Bradford back..
I don’t read much of ESP’s work, I was just going based off things he’s been saying recently. Also the hashtag “#poorbradford” kind of led me to that as well.
“I don’t read much of ESP’s work”….. smart Man!
Esp doesn’t think. At all.
Completely believable from the things I hear him say.
He is wearing a disguise
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/t9Y0Ieu0bR8/maxresdefault.jpg
Welp my comment above sure makes me seem a fool!
He went to Mariotta’s workout last year right? If you are going to get a guy who’s the future face of the franchise, makes sense to meet him and make sure you’re going to like him.
…..maybe Howie caught on and told Lurie he thinks he knows what he is thinking, so reverse the thinking to make everyone else think otherwise.
It’s been on BGN for the past couple of days
With all of the recent hubbub around the team, I think Lurie is smartly avoiding any sort of lime light.
NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport reports free agent DB Walter Thurmond has turned down offers of $4 million-plus annually as he considers retirement.
Thurmond is only 28 and is coming off a fine season with the Eagles. He can play both safety and corner, and it would be quite a surprise if he hangs up the cleats. It’s going to be tough for him to land a long-term deal at this stage if he ultimately decides to play. He may have to take another one-year pact.
He should have taken it. He didn’t have that good of a year last year.
i politely disagree, i was content with walt’s play last year…. now whether it was Jenkins next to him that helped i am not sure.
It’s hard not to look good when your entire defense has a down year.
He was solid. He was nowhere near as good as Jenkins, but still good. A bit overhyped though.
edit: for perspective, I believe Kurt Coleman was graded higher than Walt for 2015 from PFF.
IMO, Jenkins had a down year last year. Dropped INTs and blown coverages. I agree that Thurmond was solid last year but it wasn’t nearly as good as people thought it was.
Had a ton of TFL and more tackles in general than the year before with a few less PBUs and 1 less int. He always drops ints and I think some of the coverage issues were him covering Cole Beasley. He was better in some areas that other but I dont think he had a down year.
You can’t knock Jenkins for the Cole Beasley game, unless you’re mad that he played while concussed.
Im not mad at him at all. I think he played rather well throughout.
Yeah, poor word choice on my part.
I thought he had a damn fine year.
Maybe he has enough money and doesn’t want to risk his brain.
Or his knees. I think he has bigger and more long term things in mind than his football career.
Option 2 is that he’s banged up and would rather snag a million or two less by signing as teams are sustaining injuries to DBs in camp so as to not have to really do much until most of the grunt work in the off-season is finished.
But you’re probably correct.
what good’s a brain with out money
I assume he is leaning towards retiring and focusing on his documentary productions, one of which begins filming soon… Sounds to me like he values walking away healthy as someone who has been injured for a large portion of his career, and has a job he is equally passionate about waiting for him
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I don’t think the issue is the amount of money offered to him to play football. I get the impression he is ready to walk away, but im sure we will find out soon one way or the other
Nice article, TL. I would say it’s a pretty big stretch to compare Brees with Bradford in any capacity besides the abecedarian one.
**okay, I just wanted to work that word in.
Might seem like it now, but before his break out year they sure seemed similar. Only difference being that Sammy B was much more highly thought of as a prospect.
I’ll admit it, I had to look that word up. I also now know that a synonym for abecedarian is tenderfoot.
I thought it was alphabetical.
Apparently also novice.
So when the drill sergeant wants the new recruits to line up alphabetically, he can yell, “Let’s go, abecedarian you abecedarians!”
When I see big words it reminds me of this on Fresh Prince of Bel-Air:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GxOZdBSbLE
Howie is only visiting the white QBs. Chip wasn’t the racist one after all!!!
maybe they self identify as other races?
Didn’t he visit Dak Prescott though?
Insomniac say quarterbacks, not h-backs.
Fine I’ll give you this one.
Is Dak Prescott a real name? I’m tempted to steal it for a story I’m writing…
lol His name is actually “Rayne Dakota Prescott” but he goes by Dak, which I think is the right decision considering its highly doubtful any man would like to be referred to as Rayne.
Ron + Dayne = Rayne, maybe his parents were big fans of his? haha
Sheeyit, if football doesn’t work out, he can always be a male stripper and not even use an alias.
Chip likes Samoans
It looks as though he likes do-si-do and thin mints, too.
Doctors Can Now Diagnose Concussions With Just A Blood Test
https://www.sciencedaily.com/videos/43c5a80ed345fe6e4f6e771b6cfcbf4e.htm
Don’t have time to read right now. Would be awesome if it would show up instantly. Take all of the guess work out of this mess.
This is a true game changer, especially for youth sports.
The current definition of a concussion is anu symptom after head trauma including even a simple headache. I wonder now what will qualify with the new test. What threshold has to be met?
so in theory, every player could be tested immediately after each game? maybe a day after would be more realistic.
what about practices?
is there anything in the test that can help clear a player after a concussion has been detected?
¯_(ツ)_/¯
If they test everyone after every game, it will probably still be elevated. Im wondering if they will save it for players who are involved with big hits to the head, have obvious defecits, etc. I think the players will be taken out the same way but may be back later due to levels in the blood still being high. In other words, the blood test wont change when they leave a game, rather when they get put back in. If someone gets head trauma and has no symptoms its 1. Not a concussion because no symptoms are present and 2. Wont get tested because there is not suspicion in the first place.
So many questions… Why is there an annual substances of abuse testing period? Isn’t the whole year the substances of abuse testing period? Why does the substances of abuse testing period start on 4/20? Does fast food count as a substance of abuse? Social media? The English language?
Sorry, I was Twitterpated.
https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/715213536868364288
https://twitter.com/NFLPA/status/715213164506427392
What must suck is being tested at the end of the window rather than the beginning. If they get you first thing on April 20th, you now have about 11 straight months to enjoy yourself. If they get you in August you just had 3+ months of freedom taken away.
I’m actually shocked the league doesn’t have “pee days” over 8 days in June and do every team’s drug test live on the air over 2 to 3 hour period to fill up more programming time on NFL network.
And before anybody says “The NFLPA would never agree to it”, what if it was part of the trade off on Goodell’s powers?
Plus, certain guys aren’t that shy about what they use to generate urine.
http://larrybrownsports.com/football/charles-haley-penis-masturbation/269742
How The NFL Uses Marijuana To Hide Its Painkiller Problem
The NFL will happily suspend stoners to distract the public from its real drug problem: painkillers.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/how-the-nfl-uses-marijuana-to-hide-its-painkiller-problem_us_56fab51de4b0a372181b0f03
Whichever QB the Eagles draft, I hope I don’t hear Doug Peterson say that the kid reminds him of himself when he played.
That would be bad.
Former front office member says Chip Kelly ignored Eagles scouts in the draft and did whatever he wanted…..
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/former-front-office-member-says-160426569.html
NJ . com had this earlier. Truly embarrassing.
http://blog.bridgebetween.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/emotional-intelligence.png
Greg retweeted this, but I didn’t see it make it over here:
https://twitter.com/jennalainebucs/status/715267295917039618
https://twitter.com/John_Pisula/status/715337446213312516
I need details. What did they order?
stay far, far away from Hogan. he’s got one of the weakest arms in the class. doesn’t matter how smart he is if he can’t get the ball down the field. would be waste of a pick
Sounds like Sanchez.
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