Risky Business
Posted: August 17th, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 217 Comments »Dorial Green-Beckham is an absolute stud wide receiver. All you need is a time machine to get back to the year 2013 when he was a Sophomore at Missouri and caught 59 passes, with 12 of them going for TDs. DGB looked like exactly what NFL coaches would want in a #1 WR.
Big.
Good hands.
Athletic.
Playmaker.
Strong, physical player.
If you told me in 2013 that the Eagles would trade Dennis Kelly for DGB, I would have asked you to go with Lane Johnson for a drug test. (Too soon?) But that was then and this is now.
DGB was kicked out of Mizzou. He went to Oklahoma and finished out his college career before being taken in the 2nd round by the Titans. As a rookie, DGB was 32-549-4. Those are solid numbers for a rookie WR. There is no questioning the fact that DGB has NFL size and ability.
The Eagles had hopes for their WR corps. They hoped Nelson Agholor would make the jump in his second year that so many young players do. They hoped Josh Huff would take a step forward. They hoped that either Chris Givens or Reuben Randle would take advantage of 1-year prove-it deals. They took a flyer on T.J. Graham, a speedy receiver with bad hands. The Eagles thought Jordan Matthews would be the foundation for the group and the others simply had to fit around him.
Unfortunately, Agholor has had an offseason to forget, both on and off the field. Huff has been wildly inconsistent. Givens and Randle have each flashed at times, but neither has looked like a player desperate to prove his worth to the Eagles or the rest of the league. Graham remains fast and with bad hands.
You can see where Howie Roseman and Doug Pederson felt this was a move worth making. Beckham is a huge receiver. That’s something the Eagles don’t have. Beckham instantly has the highest upside of any Eagles receiver. Simply put, he had the kind of talent they felt was too good to pass up, baggage or not.
The downside to this move is that Pederson is a rookie coach. And he doesn’t have some tremendous track record as an assistant. A young coach like that is better off with a team of grinders and overachiever types. He needs players to buy in to his ideas and actions. The 2016 Eagles can be a competitive team, but aren’t going to win the Super Bowl. This year is about building the team for the future. You want players that are smart, tough and who will play their asses off. That’s how you build a foundation.
This could turn out to be a terrific move if DGB somehow clicks with this coaching staff and his new teammates and comes anywhere close to playing up to his talent level.
This will be a bad move if DGB proves to be another headache for Pederson. Young coaches can be overwhelmed by distractions. Pederson has to stay focused on building this team and not obsessing on how to deal with another underachiever. In theory, the presence of DGB should get Agholor, Huff, Givens and Randle fired up. It is a signal to them that they aren’t getting the job done. But there is something strange about adding an underachiever to spark the underachievers you already have on your team.
Mr. Charles, Mr. Wonder is here to give you a ride to the airport.
*****
As to the O-line side of things, this move is all about the future. I said recently I would rather have the Eagles start Dennis Kelly at RT and leave Allen Barbre at LG.
The Eagles are going to try Isaac Seumalo at LG and Barbre at RT. Seumalo could be the LG for the next 5 to 10 years if he adjusts to the NFL and plays to the level of his ability. Barbre is a temp at RT, holding the spot until Lane Johnson can take back over. In the future. Johnson will likely move to LT. The Eagles would love Halapoulivaati Vaitai to be the RT of the future. We’ll have to wait and see about that.
Unless Seumalo is just awful, the Eagles seem to want to get him on the field. There is no substitute for experience so there is definite logic in trying to force him onto the field. This week’s game will be big for Seumalo. He doesn’t have to magically turn into Larry Allen. He does have to show definitive improvement.
The Eagles may not be headed to the Super Bowl this year, but they need a functional LG. Seumalo has to prove he can be that guy.
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DGB is already tied with Hands of Stone Aglohor for catches in the pre-season and he hasn’t suited up yet.
Come to think of it, every poster here is tied with Aglohor for pre-season catches.
Aglohor can’t catch, can’t beat press coverage, isn’t fast enough to beat anyone deep, and can’t block. Thanks, Chip.
Yea but he has a good head on his shoulders and is a good, high character guy.
except for that one thing that one time
Ehh, I don’t fault a guy going to a strip club, it happens.
“He has a lot of talent.”
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Just another desperation move by Howie/Lurie. This is not how you build a team. Don’t know why they keep falling for the same mistakes over and over again. So exhausting.
How exactly is this a desperation move? Giving up something of value to take a chance on a guy would seem desperate. They gave up Dennis Freaking Kelly.
If this is a gamble, it’s more like, “hey, I’m in Vegas, why don’t I just put $100 down for my team to win the Super Bowl. Why not?”. It’s not at all like “OH MY GUD LETZ DRIVE TO VEGASZ SO I CAN PAY MY RENTZ”.
What reeks of desperation is the need a lot of people have to make Howie/Lurie appear desperate. What reeks of desperation is holding on so tightly to the idea that everything Howie does is terrible and yet more proof of some kind of negative thing people seem to get such a kick out of.
No this is more like getting a free $100 casino credit from the hotel that you are staying at and putting that on your team to win the superbowl.
Exactly!
“They gave up Dennis Freaking Kelly.”
That pretty much sums it up.
Literally never mentioned Dennis Kelly once in any of my posts.
Fight that straw man. Fight him long and well.
It’s about the construction of the team and the spotty track record of the man in charge.
lol wut?
Media Mike replied to laeagle, who said “Dennis Freaking Kelly”. that is why MM quoted him.
Its hard to have a straw-man argument when you don’t actually provide an argument to straw-man. Perhaps you could enlighten us with your thoughts on how to build an NFL team and what mistakes they keep on making?
Thanks, I’ll take your answer off the air.
Actually, I think it’s pretty desperate the lengths ppl go to defend a GM who does things like assemble a dream team and draft MSII in the 1st round.
GMs are supposed to be perfect and flawless? That’s news to me. God forbid you be a Patriots fan since they’re just as bad at drafting.
The dream team were FA signings. Howie traded a 3rd string OT for a WR who is already a top 3 on our team based on his career stats.
Funny how you just dismiss what everybody said above
You really think the hive-mind mob mentality bothers me?
I don’t see how you can look at this move taking place when it did as anything but a desperate throw that’ll stick. It’s an appalling display of not even knowing your own fucking personnel. So PS game 1 happens and, oh nos! Our WRs actually really do suck and none of them took a step forward. Quick, get the Titans on the line. I heard they got their own underachieving WR they’ve all but given up on. Let’s get him here ASAP and hope we can slide him into an outside WR1 role.
Lol
Yeah, right.
So evidently the brave move, the bold move that shows no fear, is to sit tight. With Dennis Kelly.
You’d make a great GM. I think everyone here also wants to invite you to their poker games.
Chip created the roster and is responsible for the majority of the mess. You are making it sound like Howie and co are solely responsible for the mess the past two years, and are desperately attempting to fix their mistakes.
You want to point to MS2? I will point to LJ (despite current troubles), Ertz, and Logan. That was when Howie still had a lot of say in the draft.
I am not trying to glorify Howie. I am simply trying to point out your inability to seem to recognize the full situation.
Regardless, our WR are trash and are arguably the worst in the league. DGB is an insanely talented young player, who played very well last year as a rookie. He possesses what we lack. A big play threat as evidenced by his 17.7 (I beleive) YPC. He is worth the very small cost and risk. It’s not like Chip’s choir boys worked out for us.
As far as the mob mentality comment. Yes, sometimes the group does have to shoot down someone that says something that is highly innacurate.
The whole concept behind the dream team goes back to Banner. They saw how the market would play out with the new CBA, the cap, and types of players that would be available that year. Go back and read the interviews about it. Banner was called a genius then for taking advantage. Don’t pin it on Howie.
What you can pin on Howie is hiring Chip Kelly and not even talking to Bruce Arians. Dumb ass.
Eh. The whole nebulous nature of the Eagles FO is really the heart of the issue. Who is truly accountable in a given year? It’s never clear and in constant flux. Sure, Banner likely had a hand, but you can’t tell me Howie didn’t have his fingers all over it too. Manipulating the cap is what he’s best at. He’s like a mad man in FA. Some work (Jenkins) others blow up in his face (Chung). I very much question his ability to evaluate/develop talent.
And if you’re gonna pin Chip on Howie, why not take it one step further and rip Lurie for handing him the keys to the kingdom after he flat out said he was only here to coach. And then still retain Howie as a contingency? WTF? If you’re confident enough in Howie to keep him around, why didn’t you just make him GM to begin with? Nope. He’d rather set the franchise back at least a year to see if Chip could do it.
That is one hell of a string of highly questionable moves. Massively indecisive. And you know what they say about indecision vs. wrong decision. Now we’re paying for it.
There are so many things wrong here that makes me think that you’re just a troll.
B-I-N-G-O
Question: how much salary cap hell were we in after the Dream Team gamble didn’t work out?
Answer: none.
Also: I don’t think indecisive means what you think it means.
Yes, flipper. That’s why I said “Manipulating the cap is what he’s best at.”
Did you take a nap half way through reading the fucking comment?
In this case, indecision means hesitant. Lurie badly wants to win a SB. So two back-to-back 10-6 seasons with Chip coaching the team. He’s on the fence about whether to double-down on Chip or call his bluff and let him walk/keep Howie. He makes the most indefinite move ever. He gives Chip full power AND promotes Howie to some BS position. As soon as he fired Chip, he puts Howie right back in charge and let’s him go find another HC.
Awful.
Actually, I think it’s pretty desperate the lengths to which some people go to take every opportunity to bash Howie, regardless of how much sense it makes. Almost as desperate are the constant references to how everyone else is a sheep or part of a hive mind, because they don’t have the bravery to constantly shit on everything. Because constant shitting on a GM’s actions, regardless of fact or reason, somehow shows strength of character or something.
I think you’re better off chasing chem trails than commenting on Eagles football. Seems a better use for talents of one so brave and bold.
lol. yes, perpetuate the mentality and hurl insults because my MEAN opinions strike a nerve with your pathetically sensitive Eagles fandom. I want them to win too, but I’m calling it as I see it. An amazing upside talent at WR just happens to become available in mid-August to the most receiver-starved team in the league for the low cost of Dennis fucking Kelly.
“Screw it, what the hell?” doesn’t seem like a viable way to build a team.
No one cares about “MEAN” opinions. Just dumb ones.
“Screw it, what the hell” describes a careless attitude. Not a desperate one. You really need to learn your words before throwing definitive statements around.
“Calling it as you see it” doesn’t mean you’re right, or particularly insightful. You’re just continuing what I imagine must be a very long running anti-Howie tradition. And note that criticizing Howie is absolutely fine, when it’s warranted. When it’s knee jerk and constant, it just means your not really providing any insight or knowledge, you’re just shitting on everything out of habit.
You’ll find that people here tend to offer mostly intelligent opinions, and back them up with more than “heh, whatever, sheeple…” If you find yourself not enjoying this brand of Eagles fandom, maybe you should direct your incisive brand of bit and perception towards Philly.com?
At one point was this ever about being “right” or “wrong”. How juvenile. It’s an opinion, dude! You don’t agree with it. OK. No big deal. Hardly the first time you’ve ever disagreed with someone on a topic. Won’t be the last, either.
I seriously question what you’re arguing right now, b/c it sure as heck doesn’t seem align with what I’ve stated.
How can you possibly spin this as a knee-jerk Howie-hating reaction? I flat out said just ANOTHER move by HOWIE/LURIE. You, all by yourself, turned that into ripping Howie (just Howie) for every move he makes. Like I have a vendetta against him. No. This is about how the organization has been run for the better part of half a decade now.
From Dream Team, to the ultra-contrarian Chip Kelly Experiment, and then swinging it all the way back to try to recapture the golden days of Andy Reid. We go from the Washburn Wide-9, to the Billy Davis 3-4, back to the Shwartz Wide-9. This, to me, is not reflective of an organization that has a plan/vision. How can you possibly build a team like that? You disagree on this point, fine. But telling me to go over to Philly.com is so friggin’ lame.
This DGB trade is just a microcosm of this problem. They are throwing 6-5 WR against a wall and hoping it sticks. Hey, maybe it does! Maybe he turns out to be the perfect #1 for Wentz. I’m simply putting my money on that not happening. Will it cost the Eagles anything if it doesn’t pan out? Nope. But they’re still gonna be stuck in the position of not having any play makers on O. I worry how they plan on restocking the cupboards with how much draft capital they’ve invested into the QB.
And please for the love of god, enough with the straw man Dennis Kelly argument. “We gave up Dennis Kelly!” is not my argument as Media Mike so arrogantly states above. You couldn’t possibly miss the point any further if you really think that’s what my beef is. I’m simply disappointed with the decision making of this franchise. That’s it.
remember the new block user function.
You are killing it, keep preaching my man!
Because the loss Of Dennis Kelly is going to break this team?
Oh and I love how this is just on Howie. They signed 2 very highly thought of guys to the FO a couple months back but yeah Howie is the only one involved in these moves because you don’t approve. I love the narratives people invent.
Reid was solely responsible for all the bad defensive players they drafted because there is no chance JJ had any say in any of them…why? Well we like JJ and hate Reid so of course its Reid’s fault.
Can’t wait to see the new narratives. Questionable moves all Howie and maybe Doug if we decide we don’t like him. Good moves must be someone else doing it…the new guys, Dawk, maybe Shwartz put Howie in a headlock and made him do it.
I hate when teams trade backup O-linemen for 2nd round talent WRs! So desperate! Sad!
Shut up, kid.
OK. I’ll shut up. And you pretend Howie is a good GM. Fair?
Well, uh…yeah. I’ll take it!
You have to shut up because you’re talking nonsense
It does reek a bit of desperation . . .
You may turn out to be right at the end, but let’s just let this new regime get to the regular season first.
Taking flyers on fringe players when the main positions are already set is really not a make or break move.
Jmat will mentor him just like peterson did for the honey badger in arizona. No worries Tommy. great move by the eagles
Peterson is a 2 years older than Mathieu and had a long standing previous relationship with him.
JMatt is only 9 months older than DGB. They have no existing relationship and frankly may have never met until yesterday.
I actually recall them saying that they have met. If I’m not mistaken, they knew each other from Mizzou (before DGB got kicked off the team).
Peterson helped recruit Mathieu to LSU. They were teammates for a year, they continued to be friends during the time between Peterson getting drafted and Mathieu getting drafted.
Thats very different than having played against a guy twice and maybe saying hi at a couple media days.
That’s like saying Lane Johnson has a relationship with Kelechi Osemele because they both played OL in the Big 12 at the same time.
They probably have met during the times Vandy played Mizzou. Don’t know how tight they are though.
Something something about Peterson’s father also mentoring Mathieu. DGB will have a mentor here and hopefully he gets it like Mathieu.
I hope JMatt does a better job mentoring DGB and keeping him out of trouble than he did with Agholor.
I love the trade personally and I thought a little more highly on Kelly than most Eagles fans here (not saying much since he stinks). DGB might not even reach his potential but that’s still better than what we have in our WRs right now. We finally have a big WR that can win contested catches. Thank god, now we just need another one for Wentz.
Bring back Rasheed Bailey?
Lol. That would be taking ‘desperation’ to a whole new level…
I hope Howie is “desperate” enough to trade Josh Andrews for Marqise Lee!!
Or for Demarco M..
can we all agree, no more USC guys
Maybe after Lee? We can’t get those USC QBs for sure though.
Funny, turns out the Eagles actually did put in a claim for him on the waiver wire but chargers had priority!
If you want to have him and Turner compete for the inactive on gameday WR6 and finishes the season with 8 catches for 61 yards spot, may as well. They’re basically the same player.
They’re not having 6 WRs on the final roster.
I think they very well could.
Let’s have a bet as I just cannot see how you sacrifice one CB or TE spot for our mediocre WR corps while the former positions are of much better quality.
How about we just 3 deep at RB and get Barner the F off of this team………..finally.
Pantale hasn’t earned a spot either and we’re not keeping 9 CBs.
If they do, here’s the nickname: “The Empty Six Pack.”
I’ll take the hometown kid.
Deckchairs on the titanic and whatnot.
Those things were classy af though.
gotta sit somewhere
we got what, at least one more week before the serious 5th and 6th WR discussions
Shoot; who is even 2nd behind Matthews?
good point/question
We need to find a way to keep Matthews on the field. Our most talented pass catchers or biggest miss-matches are Matthews out of the slot, Ertz at TE, and moving using Sproles like Westbrook. And none of those guys get to stay on the field. We’ll get studs the likes of Nelson Agholor and Randle/Givens on the field for every snap.
I’m probably in the vast minority, but I still have hope Agholor will turn it around. He was worthy of the spot at which he was picked, so there is some talent there.
I won’t write him off, this off season has been extremely disappointing in many ways, because we all really wanted him to bounce back from a disappointing rookie season. But he has talent, there is no pressing need to give up on him since there isn’t really anyone to take his place and we aren’t superbowl or bust, so we have the luxury of waiting and seeing.
Wanted to share this because I did end up watching the first-half offensive snaps again because I wanted to see the effort level of Randle and Agholor. I specifically wanted to see if that play that Mayock highlighted was the norm.
Agholor did one thing that really bothers me. On the 2 Ryan Mathews runs, he started outside and basically trotted a slant, and sort of drifted in front of the scrum just sort of watching. On the TD run he did the same thing, was just sort of ran towards the runner to eventually hold his arms up to signal TD when Mathews eventually bust through for the score. Should he not be blocking guys in the secondary?
One run play he motioned in-line and sealed the back end of the run play with decent enthusiasm, squared up on the guy and got low and all that (defender was completely uninterested, did not attempt to pursue run play from behind). Chase Daniel’s TD run, he ran his route, saw Chase Scramble, just sort of run towards the ball to hold up his arms when Chase dove right in from of him. Next drive he ran a slant to draw some coverage away from a swing pass coming to his side of the field, again he just sort of watched as the secondary ran past him to shut down the 10 yard gain.
Hopefully the coaches are telling the receivers not to get too physical in the preseason? Agholor ran hard on routes, in motion, and when he motioned in line to seal off the back end and had a clear blocking assignment on the play he showed effort. He didn’t look disinterested in the game like Randle did. He just avoided contact like the plague.
That’s some good tape work!
I just can’t recall what the expectation was with Reid from his WRs in terms of blocking. I’m not sure what Pederson / Reich / G-Lew
I wonder that too. Remember Maclin under Reid? especially when he was dinged up with he would be extremely contact-averse (and generally ineffective). One moment that was pretty memorable is Shady getting to the second level, a nice cut and he is off, Maclin loses his man and Shady gets tackled with nothing but green grass in front of him. He springs up just screaming at Maclin. His effort in blocking was horrific. But Reid sent him out there game after game. Got to the point where I would wonder if Reid was telling him not to go looking for contact while injured or something.
Chip comes in and blocking ability makes Riley Cooper a starter, and suddenly Mac is a changed man.
I didn’t have much to go on in 1 game, but you can bet I’ll be watching to see if it goes away in the regular season.
Right. We could have a really nice trio if DGB can help open up the offense.
I think he needs to play In the slot. He isn’t physical enough, yet.
Tons of talent in his legs, not as much in his hands.
I’m also hopeful (though not putting any money on him). Check back with you in a couple weeks to determine if we are wise or fools.
Matthews, Ertz, Sproles used well could work well.
yes and I hope Doug is willing to get a little unconventional to get the best players on the field relatively frequently. If he is too rigid, we will struggle to get more than one of them on the field at a time.
I don’t get the mentality of we have many bad WRs so lets keep many (6) on active roster.
Maybe it’s like the mentality of throwing as much shit on the wall to see what fits?!
I just want the Eagles to give this kid the Dez treatment. “Look, this is your chaperone, he’s going to put you in a sleeper hold whenever you’re about to do something idiotic.”
Loved this kid’s tape when he was coming out, knew he had off-field red flags so he wasn’t getting close to a Chip Kelly team. Hopefully he can grow out of the the worst stuff.
There are very few NFL players you could have traded Dennis Kelly for that would have been considered a bad move
Like…for Dennis Kelly?!
I would not have take Sean Considine for Dennis Kelly.
For a minute I thought you meant Kurt Coleman which I would have vehemently disagreed!!!
Coleman will always be this loser
http://cloudfront.sportsgrid.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/football.jpg
Before i even look, I bet ita him getting trucked by Richardson…. *after looking* yep I was right.
Life defining play.
Lol. Still made the tackle. Not sure that tackle gets made with last years team.
Dear gods it’s not. He’s a tough player. One bad play and you want to hate on him for life. I think some perspective is needed.
Like a butt fumble and walking off the field w head down (many times)
I thought maybe it was when he came up to tackle Cruz on a hitch route, and he just bounced off of him for what should have been an easy tackle. Cruz then ran 80 or so yards for a TD. It looked horribly ridiculous.
Still brought him down though unlike Byron “lets go for a ride” Maxwell. If Kurt had Nate Allen’s athleticism he would probably be our starting safety across Jenkins
He would be the an All-Pro if he had Allen’s pre injury athletism
I am going to defend my fellow Buckeye… Coleman was never intended to be our savior at safety. For a 7th round pick he did the best he could, He lacks athleticism, but does not lack toughness or heart. I actually think he performed well, all things considered. Now, if you want to chastise 2nd round pick Nate Allen, I will gladly have your back.
I’ll back you up on this. Coleman never lacked for heart. His lack of athleticism is what held him back.
Now go get Josh Gordon :))))
the dream. our starting WRs would be 6’3 and up!!
Dorial does NOT need a smoking buddy but I’d be all for that move!
I’m pretty sure Gordon has a drinking issue but yea we don’t need him to have another bad egg near DGB. The trio of Gordon, DGB, and Matthews would be insane if they just want to play football.
He might like to drink but I think his bigger issues have been with Mary Jane. Anywho……I wonder if Howie called the Browns to see if they’d move him. Wouldn’t surprise me one bit if he did.
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/josh-gordon-fails-another-nfl-administered-drug-test-041116
He probably did but wouldn’t pull the trigger. I wouldn’t blame him if they wanted a 3rd round pick or higher.
Huff to Chip for a 3rd. Bet you anything he’d do it.
No thanks. I don’t want Chip back.
I think whoever flamed your earlier comment about this was (sadly) correct; I can’t see Chip doing business with us.
I think he totally would, if he could. He’d think he was getting the better of us too.
Give it some time. I’m sure Chip will find a way to snake his way to power and undermine Baalke.
Are you joking? Or do you honestly know that hes not the gm or even directly behind the gm in personelle pecking order?
Relax man, it was mostly in jest (though I would do a trade like that in a heartbeat.) No need to lay the smackdown on me.
SanFran already has several promising WR, although Rogers is out for the year.
over/under 2016 wins 8
Push.
Under
Dropped from this spring from 7.5 to 7 in some places and the under has gotten hammered by a lot of money.
Haven’t seen the ‘under’ at less than -150.
IMO, they’re under. OL is going to get demolished this year.
yeah the oline situation doesnt look pretty right now
under. Offense will need to establish a strong running game to not be bottom 10 or 5 unit. Unfortunately this is likely to be a passing offense by design with no WR or O-Line. Unfortunately the defense is still a piece or 2 away from being so great that the offense doesn’t matter. 6 wins. Guessing low, hoping to be pleasantly surprised.
i personally think if doug doesnt over use ryan matthews and spread the carries out a lil bit we might actually have a chance at having a pretty decent running game…I cant say the same about the passing game tho i just dont have any faith in the receivers
I agree, a solid running game can bring this offense to at least mediocrity, and I think the defense is good enough to win a playoff spot in this division if the O can at least be at least mediocre. I just think Pederson wants to be a throwing team in the long run, and will start that process this year, when we are reaaaally not built for it. Obviously I don’t know this, who can know Pedersons plans, but if I’m right, this offense will likely be abysmal.
Take the over, fuck it. Easy division and easy schedule.
lol anything is possible right?
I would take the over. This is a 7-9 roster that has lost almost no contributing players outside of Lane to a probable suspension, was horribly coached last year and has made some significant free agent additions that should enhance the roster.
This is going to be a very similar team to KC over the last few years, solid if uninteresting QB play, lack of WR talent, but quality TE’s and run game paired with an aggressive defense that beats teams with flaws and cannot beat the best teams. There are a lot of flawed teams in the NFL and i think we will get 9-10 wins beating up on them most of the season.
What the… I was just thinking people were finally starting to get realistic about this team.
hope ur right im so tired of watchin terrible football from the team i love
Was Wiz that bad of a signing? One would think they’d go with the experience and stability over a rookie learning on the job. I get we are trying to develop talent for the future, but we also want to be able to trade Bradford for value this off-season and win some games.
Seems like he is the top replacement at all three interior oline spots, so he will play this year at some point.
Wiz was a good signing, A guy with experience and outside of Brooks, should in theory had been an upgrade at guard.
Does anyone know if ACViking is ok?
His last post was June 10th in this post http://igglesblitz.com/2016/06/minicamp-closes/
Im following him now (legal stalking), hope he returns soon and is in good health
Hopefully he is just one of those weirdos that think football has a season.
If you’re able to, give him a shout. He’s a smart and caring guy.
Balhoopi too.
Baloophi is good. He made a conscious effort to take a step back during the offseason.
Cool.
Didn’t Baloophi just have a kid too? Kids under 1 are a full-time job in and of itself.
Lol. Kids under 1 only?! Let’s try twins at the age of 2 mate. 😉
Yep. I am sure the two are related.
Are you saying Baloophi and his kid are related?
Nothing definitive, but there is speculation.
I lol’d at the Lane Johnson line.
Tommy, do you really think that Lane Johnson to LT is still a viable plan now that he is one positive drug test from a lifetime ban? Wouldn’t you feel safer if your #1 backup was filling in at RT rather than LT, or not sliding the starting RT to LT.
Or, forget positions, the idea was for Johnson to be our #1 OT. Do you still feel comfortable casting him in that role? I don’t. I think in the future the Eagles are going to need to find a #1 OT, hope Johnson will be around to be the #2, but be ready with a capable #3.
F Lane.
We keep hearing great things about Greg Lewis, and since he’s an ex-player I am hoping for him, but it would be nice to see at least one of these receivers perform to confirm his coaching ability.
Or is this going to be David Culley all over again?
I think we need to give Greg Lewis at LEAST till midseason to evaluate the situation with how he’s developing the WRs. There’s plenty of work to be done – for sure. But with new names in town, new offense – which is a timing offense at that – OL issues, and just psychology of human beings – I’m banking on, dreading and worried about the typical Philly fan/media drill – over analyze and catastrophise about every single drop to the point that it creates a snowball effect of negativity.
It’s like if you’re working on something that needs time to develop, involves confidence, and psyche… and you need about 800 reps to really make any improvement – best case scenario. So you start – you take your first “rep” of whatever it is – doesn’t go well – whole city right there to say “you f’d up” “you suck” – then it just gets louder everytime. You’ll just want to quit after a while and it will make it way less possible to actually improve.
Whereas the truth of human performance, is you need the allowance for mistakes – even a moderate amount of them – on the way toward progress.
I’m a big believer in the effect fans and the media can and do have on athletes in Philly. See Jimmy Rollins, Dmac (psychological issues ruined his game – I believe Reid padded his ego too much), Ryan Howard, the list goes on and on. Call me crazy – it won’t be first or last time – but that’s what I believe.
But one thing you don’t do (wisely) – is look for conclusions to draw – or even begin to draw – in preseason – let alone less than 26% through preseason.
but are we going to look at his work and say “well he has a pretty shitty pool of guys to work with, so we can’t really judge him on that…”
i think he might get a free pass a little bit longer than that
Fair enough. But I think some, many, or most likely the majority will NOT give him a free pass, a leash at all, etc…
See Cafone above – I usually agree with him/like his posts. But he’s already opening the door for early criticism/lack of a leash.
yea, i agree. i don’t know if he SHOULD be given such freedom or not. Thats for people smarter than me to comment on.
WR is a talent position, not a coach position. Can’t polish a turd.
I’m more concerned about Jeff Stoutland. The comment about having to ignore his shrieking made me wonder if the guys dislike him. I know there have been injuries etc but what has he done with this line and which players has he developed?
Now THAT – I agree with. Though we have to see him after some time free of CHIP’s nonsense to control for variables – so after this season.
Think one of the biggest flaws of chips coaching was his OL schemes and how often he wouldn’t give the 5 lineman help when teams were throwing crazy zero blitz’s at us..
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If a team is rushiñg 8, but chips play call only calls for 5’blockers, you can’t expect Stoutand to waive a magic wand and account for 3 extra Blockers… The media HASNT talked about it, but I think the blocking schemes are one of the biggest problems the players had with chips play calling,…. peters alluded to it, even sam Bradford who doesn’t like to throw shade at anyone, laughed when a reporter asked if he is looking forward to no longer ONLY having 5 blockers while teams blitz the house thanks to the Change in offensive schemes, he responded with a sarcastic laughter “You Think?”… That’s DAMNING statement because it’s the closest you will ever get Sam Bradford to criticize a coach
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doug Pederson will actually give the OL the proper help required to block whatever the defense throws at us.. Where as if a play call under chip was designed with ONLY 5 blockers, chip was so stubborn that he would just run the play as designed against a defense sending 8 pass rushers, instead of adjusting the protection to improve your chances of blocking what the defense is throwing at us.. A lot of this was chip Sacraficing the ability to change protection, in the name of getting the ball snapped as soon as possible. This is what the players are all talking about when they refer to no more “wasted plays” now that they are running the west coast offense, Pederson and Bradford will take their time at the line of scrimmage and change the blocking schemes to best combat what the defense is about to do
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So if a defense is rushiñg 8 players, but the play ONLY calls for 5 blockers, what do you expect Stoutland to do? Run on the field and pick up one of the blitzerrs himself? Take that up with Chip, don’t put that on Stoutland, he can only help players best execute what chip calls for… Chip was basically winning to waste plays in the name of tempo, instead of taking the time to change plays or change protections at the Line of scrimmage, which is pretty dangerous because not only are you wasting a play, but you are putting your QB in a position where he is more susceptible to getting injured because you refuse to take the time to change the blocking scheme to best protect your QB
You can evaluate the development of Saints WR’s under his tutelage
Yeah, for some reason I was thinking Lewis was here last year too. Time flies I guess. My post makes no sense.
I take some comfort knowing that it’s not possible for Greg Lewis to be worse than Bob Bicknell was. We can safely say G-Lew is an upgrade, whether or not he will prove to be enough of an upgrade to make a difference remains to be seen since Bicknell set the bar so damn low
Let us pray that Peters can make it through an entire First Quarter tonight… *and Bradford, Mathews, Brooks (RG), Barbre (not cause he is particularly good, just because we don’t want to know what is behind him)
Side note: at least we don’t have to worry about Kendricks and his weak hamstrings/calves.
i’d like to see the whole OL get through the quarter. let them build some chemistry
We would all like this luxury.
whats actually going on right now with the lane situation?
my understanding was that there was one positive test, and they needed to test his “B” sample to confirm it. that was a few weeks ago, wasn’t it? seems weird that it would take this long…. or is the league/NFLPA/LJ doing something else??
He didn’t seem too confident when he was speaking about it. Also, the fact that he isn’t even starting right now and they shifted the lines kind of lets me know that the team has heard something or expects the punishment from the League. (Czar Goodell)
yea, the signs are pointing towards the suspension going through. i’m just surprised we haven’t really heard anything new about this process.
Anybody know the timeline on this?
5 days, 16 hours and 24 minutes.
For a guy with two little kids, how do you find the energy for a sense of humor?
I’m German. I don’t have any. lol
Then cut it out with the “lol.”
Sorry.
Just so you know, the joke around the PPK household is that it’s a good thing my son got his Mom’s looks and his Dad’s sense of humor. Would be a disaster if it was the other way around.
His suspension probably won’t even start Til closer to October
Thanks.
Um, I was trying to thank Gian Eagles but his post ‘gone missin’.
Lane said himself that he won’t expect the B sample (which will be positive 99.9%) to be back for the next 2-3 weeks. So we will find out about his suspension around the last pre-season game.
2-3 weeks from today? wasn’t the first failed test 2 weeks ago? seems crazy that it would take them 4-6 weeks to test another sample. what is this, a mail-in rebate? sheesh.
no not from today. from the time he spoke last week.
all right, man. thanks!
Nothing weird about the timing, Realistically, Lane will probably be on the field week 1 if he plans on appealing the suspension. He doesn’t have to miss games until a decision is made on his appeal, and due to the slow wheels of NFL Justice, it’s very unlikely that we will get a ruling on the B sample, Lane appeal the judgement, and a decision be made on the appeal in time to suspend Lane for week 1…. lane suspension may not actually kick in Til closer to October, unless Lane decides not to appeal it to get it over with as fast as possible, which I doubt because even if his appeal DOESNT overturn the suspension, it could reduce it so it’s highly unlikely that Lane Choses not to apeal it
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So im pretty much expecting Lane to be on the field against the Browns
I’m pretty positive Lane will not be on the field against the Browns. Actually I am more than confident that this will never happen.
Ok… so your saying that appeals get resolved overnight? Gotcha
No. I was saying that there’s literally no chance that Lane will be on the field on game 1. Why?!
Because he will be suspended by next Friday and then will also lose his appeal way before the season starts.
Besides do we really want him to not start serving his suspension for the first 10 games of the season! I mean beating the Browns shouldn’t be that hard any way.
Unfortunately WHAT WE WANT has NO effect on the appeals process. The season is like 3 weeks away, probably very unlikely that the results of the B test come in, Lanes camp appeals it and a judgment is made in time for week 1
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I DONT WANT lane on the field week 1, im going by the NFL process since unfortunately the NFL doesn’t give two shits about what I want. I would prefer Lane suspension starts week 1 and get him back for December, I just don’t believe the timing will make what I want possible… I’d love to be wrong. It’s hard to have to prepare Lane to play in September, while also preparing his backüp to play with the starters 3 weeks into the season. It’s much easier and cleaner if his suspension starts week 1, I just don’t think that will happen
What makes you so sure that Lane camp will appeal it???
The possibility of not having to serve the entire 10 games. I don’t think he will win and get the entire suspension tossed, but if there is a chance of getting it reduced, it’s probably worth trying,, the Browns are the last team we need him on the field for, so it like the suspension to start week 1 if possible
Takes weeks to test the B sample. Then Lane will appeal it, then a decision needs to be made on the appeal, then the suspension starts
Which will all be made before 9/11.
That be nice, but that’s not my expectation. Love to be wrong about it tho.
HR channeling Harry Dean Stanton:
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/dave-spadaro/article-1/Eagles-Eyes-Open-With-Green-Beckham/5509e265-8537-4ccc-a80a-0bfcc52591a0
Manning was also famous for keeping his receivers after practice for a
few extra hours so that they could work on their timing. Manning was a
stickler for timing.
That is what they need to do, to help curtail all the drops from the receivers.
On what TV channel is the Eagles game tonight?
NFL Network
Who’s showing the Eagles tonight???
It’s on SPORT1 live.
jk 🙂
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/8/18/12532872/eagles-vs-steelers-preseason-2016-game-time-tv-schedule-online-streaming-channel-nfl-network
Lol. Nice one mate.
I’m in OC MD this week. Looks like I get the simulcast…great since no NFLN here. Now if I can only get my wife and friends not to go out
Before the official news come out let me be clear:
F u Lane.
Spending a top 50 pick on DGB is risky business that has burned the Titans. Trading Dennis Kelly for DGB is like picking up a free lottery ticket off the floor.
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Titans taking Dennis Kelly off our hands is valuable enough as far as I’m concerned. That dude will get your QB killed, and because he actually has a lot of experience, coaches put him in the game ahead of some unknown who may actually be better given the Experience Kelly has been gifted
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I don’t even know how Dennis survived so many regime changes, I guess it’s an indictment of how poor our DL depth has been for far too long..
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If DGB doesn’t work out, it’s unlikely that he his attitude will make our WR’s even worse, and no matter how badly or lazy he acts, we still have the Ultimate high Charechter, positive, team player, workhorse in Jordan Mathews in that WR room to counter any negative influence DGb brings into that group. If DGB fails here, he probably won’t make Josh huff suck any more than he currently sucks on his own
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This trade is like finding free money on the floor, only before you pick that dollar up you aren’t sure if it’s a real dollar or a counterfeit bill
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For the most part, it seems like this Fanbase has been unified in approval of this trade. I haven’t really seen anyone who was bad about this trade. actually it seems like the Fanbase approves the potential of this trade but is also fully aware of the red flags that could keep this kid from ever realizing his serious potential
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“I really wish we hadn’t traded away Dennis Kelly” said NO PHILADELPHIAN EVER!
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Bradford and Wentz can sleep a little easier knowing that Liability is now the Titans problem
Basically agree, although Kelly does have good “raw skills” apparently. Chalk it up to Stoudtland being severely overrated if he shows up well in Tennessee.
He was Alabama’s offensive line coach for several years and the organization thought enough of him to have retained him after Kelly was fired.
When Pederson gets fired maybe Schwartz will make him OC.
So you are assuming that Schwartz will become our new HC? 🙂
And yet the Eagles O-Line has been less than underwhelming under his tenure and not a single player has stepped up.
Maybe if the Eagles got to cream players the way Alabama does, he’d be a Hall of Famer.
Alabama gets way better prospects than anyone else. Not saying stout is bad but like Kelly, not everything converts to the big leagues.
I tend to agree fully. We know what Denis is. He is a solid back up swing player. I can’t imagine his performance would be anything more than marginal improvement over the other guys we have here.
For a team in our position this is the type of trade you want to make. The juice is certainly worth the squeeze. If DGB falls flat on his face we are pretty much in the same boat we were already in. Why not?
How do you like me now? (OT)
Wtf is that???
It looks like somebody screwed up or he was pranked.
Is that Osweiler?!
paxton
Rookie!!!
D bag hipster probably likes that haircut just as much as his equally stupid prior one.
Outside of Peters vs. Jarvis Jones and Brooks vs. Tuit; the other 3 O-line match ups massively favor the Steelers. I hope Bradford doesn’t wind up dead.
Time for Kelce to step up!
Good luck.
To me or to him?