Worstest QB Ever

Posted: December 8th, 2016 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 93 Comments »

Carson Wentz is clearly the worst QB in the history of football. He can’t win close games. He keeps throwing INTs. He has bad mechanics. The Eagles ought to go ahead and cut him so they can try to find someone less awful.


QBs get too much credit and too much blame. Wentz wasn’t on his way to Pro Bowl when the Eagles were 3-0 and he’s not a pile of hot garbage now with the team struggling. Some fans are worried that he’s regressed. That’s not the case at all. The situations are very different.

Early in the year the Eagles were a team in sync. The offense moved the ball methodically and kept the defense off the field. The defense was outstanding when they were on the field and they really limited how much opponents scored. STs gave good field position to the offense and kept opposing offenses backed up. The degree of difficulty in those games was much lower than what we’ve seen recently.

Think about the last 3 games. Wentz had to go against Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers and Andy Dalton. I know he wasn’t on the field against them, but those are talented, veteran QBs who could lead their teams to points. When they scored it meant Wentz had pressure on him to lead a scoring drive. The Eagles defense struggled in each of those games. Wentz couldn’t simply manage the game. He had to go get TDs for the guys in green.

That was even more difficult without his starting RB, best WR and a reshuffled O-line. Essentially you are asking the QB to carry an offense built like that. Wentz might be able to do that in a year or two. As a rookie, he needs help. And he’s gotten very little.

In the first month of the season, Wentz was asked to be a point guard. Distribute the ball. Make the occasional play. Don’t turn it over. Now he’s being asked to run the offense, score points, get rebounds and everything else. That’s tough on any QB, but especially a rookie. How many “wow plays” have Eagles receivers made this year? Quite the opposite. He’s had to deal with more drops than any other QB. Think about the pressure that puts on the QB. It is going to affect him.

With that in mind, let’s talk about some issues with Wentz.


Arm – Wentz can make every throw in the book. He’s able to get the ball downfield and also to work the sidelines. He can fit the ball into tight windows. He will make some wow throws. His deep ball to Jordan Matthews in the first Skins game was a thing of beauty. There have been some passes to DGB and Matthews on the sidelines that have been really impressive. Just last Sunday Wentz made a great throw to DGB. He put the ball over the defender and gave his guy a chance to make a play. That didn’t happen, but it was a really impressive throw.

Athleticism – Wentz won’t be mistaken for Randall Cunningham anytime soon, but he’s shown the ability to make plays with his legs. He actually should do more of that. His scramble and throw to Darren Sproles in the Steelers game was a sign of how he can be a playmaker.

Intangibles – This may seem like a weird category, but it’s important. JaMarcus Russell partied and drank too much. Joey Harrington didn’t connect with his teammates. Wentz seems to “get it”. He works hard off the field and his teammates seem to love him. Wentz understands you can’t just show up and be good on Sunday. He’s willing to pay the price during the week. Building good work habits as a rookie will pay off big time down the road. Wentz also seems to handle the spotlight well. He’s comfortable being the team leader, but isn’t overly cocky.

Toughness – Wentz is big and strong. He’s been sacked 26 times this year and has taken some big hits. He hasn’t missed any games. I don’t think he’s even missed a snap. Some young QBs struggle to sit in the pocket. Wentz will do that. He is willing to take a big hit while waiting for a receiver to come open. You can teach a guy a lot of things, but you can’t teach toughness. It’s crucial that Wentz already has that.

Adjustments – Pederson likes to have his QB make a lot of adjustments at the line of scrimmage. Wentz is only a rookie, but the coaching staff challenges Wentz to see the defense before the snap and then make adjustments to the blocking or the routes or formation. Usually this is an area where veteran QBs are much better. So far Wentz has held his own this year. He will get better as he learns to read defenses and their alignments even better.


Ball placement – Too many people mistake accuracy and completion percentage. Wentz completes 63.1 percent of his passes. Donovan McNabb only topped that figure once in his entire career so that should give you an idea that’s pretty darn good for a rookie. That’s good, but Wentz needs to improve his ball placement. That’s the true sign of accuracy…putting the ball in the exact right spot. Too often we see receivers having to go high or behind them to catch the ball. These aren’t good WRs. It helps when passes are right where they need to be.

Mechanics – This has become a hot topic recently. Not many QBs have flawless mechanics. There are definitely things that Wentz has to improve on. He does drop the ball too low at times. His motion could be more compact. There are times when his footwork is off. When he gets sloppy with his mechanics, the ball comes out high. The coaches can work on small parts of this during the season, but Wentz’s throwing motion is an offseason matter. You don’t adjust that during the season.

Decision-making – For some reason, Doug Pederson loves to blame Wentz’s INTs on mechanics. I think close to half of them are more about his head (vision and decision-making). There are some plays where Wentz either panics or forces the ball into coverage. The good news is that he’s not afraid to throw into coverage. It is much easier to teach a QB to be less aggressive than it is the other way around. Still, Wentz needs to get better in this area.

Vision – Wentz has had an issue with being picked off by LBs and Safeties. It seems like he doesn’t see them. He needs to do a better job of knowing where the underneath defenders are going to be. Those guys love to play the passing lanes. Wentz has to see them before the snap and then anticipate where they will be after the snap.

Deep accuracy – Wentz hasn’t thrown a lot of deep balls, but he needs to improve his accuracy on them. A good throw to Bryce Treggs in the Giants game would have been a TD. Instead, Treggs had to slow down just a bit. He got the ball, but the DBs then got him. The deep ball in the Seattle game was off-target (too far). The deep ball at the end of the Lions game was too far to the right. Part of this issue is simply that Wentz didn’t have a lot of time to work on chemistry with his WRs this summer. He was the #3 QB and then got hurt.

Late game situations – Situational football is hugely important to winning. You have to think about what you need and what the situation is. Wentz was too aggressive at the end of the Lions game. The Eagles needed a FG and Wentz threw a deep INT. There was just no reason to put that ball up for grabs. Wentz has had a few chances to win or tie games late. Hasn’t happened yet. That’s typical for a rookie. Wentz did a good job of this in college so I think it is something that will happen in the future. He’s just not there yet.

I really do believe Wentz has shown the traits needed to be a successful NFL QB. He needs to improve his game quite a bit, but when you remember that he’s a rookie and has a very limited set of weapons, that makes you appreciate how well he has played. We still don’t know what his ceiling is, but Wentz is physically gifted, hard working and smart. Those are all key traits in good QBs.

I think the sky is the limit for Wentz.


If you don’t like what I have to say, go read Fran Duffy’s take on Carson Wentz.

Great stuff from Fran.




93 Comments on “Worstest QB Ever”

  1. 1 Greg Tulino said at 1:53 AM on December 8th, 2016:

    I wish we could fast forward to free agency and the draft. Being out of contention and playing spoiler is not fun to me. Watching the rest of the teams in the division play meaningful games in December makes me sick in the stomach. I just want to wake up and have more talent and weapons for our franchise QB to work with. Oh, and 2 new CB’s who are actually above average would be nice as well.

  2. 2 P_P_K said at 10:00 AM on December 8th, 2016:

    It’s still always great to beat Wash, NYG and Dallas.

  3. 3 Mitchell said at 1:58 AM on December 8th, 2016:

    Dug has come under quite a bit of fire and while I know he needs time to adjust to the league, how comfortable is anyone with a coach asking his rookie franchise qb to ever throw 60+ in a game….. Yikes. I wouldnt want Carson to do that again this year. Im on record saying that I wouldnt be mad if the Eagles drafted cb at 1&2 but maybe OL and RB should be 1&2 instead. Wentz needs the pressure taken off at least a bit.

  4. 4 Iskar36 said at 2:27 AM on December 8th, 2016:

    60+ throws in a game needs to be viewed in the proper context though. We were down big in that game with effectively the season on the line. In a close game that held much less significance, that would be a terrible job by Doug in play calling, but the circumstances in this situation makes it far less concerning.

  5. 5 unhinged said at 4:27 AM on December 8th, 2016:

    Play calling aside, I find it very concerning that there is not the confidence neigh the option to run the ball. Ron Jaworski has long argued that the passing game is where the points lie, but there is no either/or. If you cannot run, chances are your passing will suffer. Anybody who has watched Dallas can see how defenses over play the run, giving their rookie QB space and time to play catch.

  6. 6 Fufina said at 10:48 AM on December 8th, 2016:

    well last week we barely put up more than 2ypa on the ground, which makes the run game pretty much useless since running twice still leaves you in all likelihood on 3rd and long.

    Moving Barbre has really hurt the run game – it has broken up a good LT/LG pair who worked well together and he Barbre seems to struggle in the run game at the RT spot as well, making things even worse.

  7. 7 Iskar36 said at 10:55 AM on December 8th, 2016:

    If you’re talking specifically about this last week, it’s not very surprising that the run wasn’t an option the team had a lot of confidence in. We had a reshuffled offense line, using its 3rd string RT. We had our starting RB injured, and our best option behind him still recovering from a broken rib. Then finally, as I said above, we fell behind significantly in that game, and while I agree that balance is valuable, a passing attack is very clearly going to score more quickly when you are desperate.

    I probably need to look back at the balance over the season as a whole, but at least watching the games, I don’t sense that the balance is significantly off between the run and pass games. And as for Dallas, of course teams are going to overplay the run with their offense. They have a dominant oline and a RB that has taken advantage of that. You’re not going to force a defense to over play the run, even if you run over and over if you don’t have the talent to support it.

  8. 8 anon said at 11:24 AM on December 8th, 2016:

    When we’re winning we run the ball, when we’re losing we pass the ball. Some beat love to throw out stats (we pass more – we lose, we run more – we win) but we’re passing b/c we’re losing. I guess the real problem is that passing doesn’t work either. We’ve never come back after a 1st half deficit this season.

  9. 9 BlindChow said at 2:16 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    It’s been a bit extreme the last few weeks, though.

    They were down 7 points early in the 3rd quarter against the Seahawks, and only ran twice the rest of the game.

    Obviously it’s a bit different when you’re down four scores, but when your QB isn’t moving the ball well (and keeps turning the ball over), abandoning the run and doubling down on the passing game probably isn’t the best idea.

  10. 10 unhinged said at 12:01 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    I know our line is not equipped to run with great success, but that’s my point. If Wentz is going to get help, get time to see the field, it’s going to take a heftier run game as well as better WR’s. Throwing in the towel on the run when you’re not having much success anyway, is not presenting the defense with any surprises, and it’s proven to be pretty pointless…literally.

  11. 11 meteorologist said at 10:40 AM on December 8th, 2016:

    Hoping Barner and Smallwood will continue to develop and we can pass on RB!

  12. 12 Derka derka said at 2:58 AM on December 8th, 2016:

    I miss lesean:( I want him back

  13. 13 meteorologist said at 6:54 AM on December 8th, 2016:


    How did I miss this from before the Packers game? It looks like they do it for every opponent. I might just go find and read them all! Reminds me of what we are missing in Philadelphia right now with Sheil gone and Tommy busier these days with life.

  14. 14 Dave said at 9:22 AM on December 8th, 2016:

    Good find!

    It’s pretty sad with Philly being such a huge media market for football, the actual lack of quality beat writers we have at this point in time. The majority tend to fall into one or more of the following categories:

    1.) Beats with no actual desire and/or ability to learn about breaking down film, player evaluation, scouting, etc. These are typically the ones who seem to have little to no desire for career advancement or are at the pinnacle of their career for a major newspaper. Many of these writers tend to dislike Howie Roseman with a passion and use the word accountability frequently.

    2.) Clickbait journalists…presenting the reader with slideshows, stick figures, misleading statistics, and logical fallacies. These tend to be up-and-comers trying to gain a foothold on a national media job and become the next Stephen Smith or Skip Bayless. Although they provide intellectual insight on occasion, they are much more about becoming a brand than a journalist or reporter.

    3.) Category 3 are the rares ones that tend to present the facts about the games, players, coaches, and front office with little to no narcissistic or grandiose tendencies. They also tend to be the ones that have a strong desire and ability to learn about player evaluation, coaching characteristics, scouting, positional mechanics, team management, and schemes/strategies.

    The Philly market is saturated with media that falls under categories 1 and/or 2. Category 3 is a very short list, especially with Sheil gone. Honestly, outside of McManus, Fran and Tommy, I’m having a hard time thinking of local media I would classify into category 3.

  15. 15 D3FB said at 9:47 AM on December 8th, 2016:

    Kempski and Turron Davenport both belong in category 3.

    Paunil’s getting better.

    Aaron Kasinitiz at Penn Live usually has an interesting profile piece each week.

    Yes everyone misses Sheil, yes the beat has plenty of guys who are cliches, but ask smart Steelers fans what bad coverage looks like. They don’t have anyone who does consistent tape breakdowns or analysis. It’s just like 8 guys doing Roob/McLane stuff.

  16. 16 meteorologist said at 10:32 AM on December 8th, 2016:

    I gotta check out this Davenport guy. The rumblings continue about his talent

  17. 17 D3FB said at 10:36 AM on December 8th, 2016:

    Former WR at Cheyney. Knows his stuff. Worked a handful of beats previously including the Ravens most recently. So he’s knoweldgable, experienced enough that he’s not finding his voice and not over the hill hackish.

    He’s a bit limited by the USA Today format, but still does good stuff and is 100% worth a follow on twitter.

  18. 18 meteorologist said at 10:38 AM on December 8th, 2016:

    Just followed. He had over 100k tweets tho so it’s a trial run. See if the quality is worth bearing with the quantity

  19. 19 BlindChow said at 1:31 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    Good luck. Davenport writes a ton of articles and spams links to them constantly.

    He does the same thing that a lot of people don’t like about Brandon Lee Gowton at Bird 24/7, where he writes a new article about every piece of news that comes out, even if the only new information could be reasonably conveyed in a tweet. Lots of season recaps and repetition.

    I’ve seen enough people here recommend him that there’s probably some good stuff in there, but wading through the spam to find it just got to be too much for me.

  20. 20 Dave said at 2:34 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    Now I remember why I stopped following him in training camp.

  21. 21 Media Mike said at 5:07 AM on December 9th, 2016:

    With the exception of quarterback play.

  22. 22 Dave said at 11:50 AM on December 8th, 2016:

    Thanks, I forgot about Davenport as I have been following since he started at USA Today.

    Kasinitiz is someone I was unaware of and will definitely give him a follow.

    Paunil is young but seems to be more in the mold of BLG than McManus or Sheil.

    Kempski is a love him or hate him type. Personally I think he is Category 2 and probably the worst in the entire Philly media market. I stopped following him years ago and might only read 1 or 2 things per year from him anymore. I would say Kempski is as close to Category 3 as Tommy is to dating Megan Fox.

  23. 23 Nick said at 3:11 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    Jimmy is 100% a troll. His obsession with Ertz not blocking last week is lame. BUT he breaks great news, his predictions are pretty on point, and he’s good at reading between the lines. I’d keep him at a 3 despite all the (other) very loud noise.

    Agree on Josh. Part of the issue seems to be, maybe, the clique-ishness at the games: who can be funniest on twitter, etc, etc.

  24. 24 Dave said at 3:33 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    What news has he broke?

  25. 25 anon said at 3:34 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    Djax, Shady, Chip. Wouldn’t say he breaks news but is a master prognosticator

  26. 26 Dave said at 3:49 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    I wouldn’t call someone who throws shit against the wall and seeing what sticks a prognosticator.

  27. 27 anon said at 3:14 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    Paunil is how his boss wants him to be.

  28. 28 anon said at 11:17 AM on December 8th, 2016:

    I credit Chip for bringing the all-22 tape breakdown culture to philly. Problem is if you’re a beat that hasn’t played football what really are you going to add to the tape?

    I like the guys at EaglesRewind, there’s some decent guys on twitter.

  29. 29 Dave said at 12:26 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    I don’t think Sheil, McManus, or Fran Duffy played college football.

  30. 30 daveH said at 12:39 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    Sheil did.

  31. 31 Dave said at 12:43 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    No he didn’t. He graduated from Penn State in 2005 with a BA in journalism with an emphasis in sports.

  32. 32 daveH said at 7:15 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    Bull ..he was great! He could take the top off the D, read defenses, blitz from the edge, kick the best onsides kicks, block field goals, manage the clock, coach rookie QBs and, while this may sound completely nonfootball to us eagle fans … he nevet once dropped a pass! !

  33. 33 anon said at 3:13 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    fran duffy is sort of a special case. But you’re name 2 out of how many beats? Personally I didn’t start following the other blogs until chip – i thought chip wagon was by far the best.

  34. 34 Dave said at 4:25 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    Chipwagon went into great detail about the concepts, not just the individual plays. That is a special trait very few in the media exhibit.

  35. 35 Insomniac said at 3:17 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    Throw in quality sports radio hosts too.

  36. 36 meteorologist said at 4:51 PM on December 8th, 2016:


    Here’s the one for the redskins

  37. 37 meteorologist said at 10:46 AM on December 8th, 2016:

    Raiders chiefs tonight on twitter!

  38. 38 Mitchell said at 10:58 AM on December 8th, 2016:

    Is there a head count on who is getting into draft mode already (sad isn’t it)? Speaking of, was watching some Elijah Hood (RB) out of North Carolina and he seems really fluid for a guy weighing 220 lbs. Anyway, just wondering if anyone had thoughts on him.
    D3FB: Any thoughts on Ryan Ramcyk from Wisconsin? Seems to have heavy feet but he can push guys away from the line so thats good.

  39. 39 anon said at 11:14 AM on December 8th, 2016:

    Any RB will look good behind a good OL, even AP can’t win behind a shitty OL.

  40. 40 D3FB said at 11:24 AM on December 8th, 2016:

    Hood’s not a top 100 guy. He’s not talking about making premium investments.

  41. 41 D3FB said at 11:21 AM on December 8th, 2016:

    He’s probably OT2 for me. Haven’t watched a ton, only some stuff live and the Michigan game. Don’t have a great read on the feet, they look lively enough at times and then other times it’s lead shoes. I suspect it’s technique because he’s raw.

    Major Danny Watkins-esque how much does he like football. Senior Bowl will be big for him. How does he take to coaching, because he needs alot.

    Right now the teens are probably a bit rich. He may go there but it would probably be more about position premium and scarcity than true value. I think they’re going to stay put and take a really good CB or EDGE. That’s the way it looks like the class is built.

    OL class in general sucks bootyhole.

    The two backs I like are Perine and Connors.

  42. 42 Mitchell said at 11:57 AM on December 8th, 2016:

    Haven’t watched a ton of CB’s yet but I’ve got a semi for Tabor and I know that Tankersley is someone I wouldnt touch with a 10 foot pole. I haven’t seen him defend a slant route yet…. OUCH.

  43. 43 D3FB said at 9:03 AM on December 9th, 2016:

    The slants are more of a scheme thing. The abundance of business decisions are more troubling.

  44. 44 Mitchell said at 9:55 AM on December 9th, 2016:

    I get that but being burned by so many slants on 3rd and long ywar after year, makes me nervous.

  45. 45 Insomniac said at 3:01 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    What’s your opinion on Foreman, McCaffery and Chubb? I personally think that we should stay away from Chubb and McCaffery. Foreman feels like a boom or bust depending on the OL but I like his skill-set and athleticism.

  46. 46 D3FB said at 9:33 AM on December 9th, 2016:

    I haven’t done a ton on backs. More just a tape or two to have a rough feel for them back before the season.

    I like McCaffery. Alot of people see Westbrook or better version of Woodhead. To me the comp is a little more athletic Ameer Abdullah with a little less pop.

    Chubb is all about the medical.

    Foreman I don’t like. Too much Andre Williams. All power, no wiggle.

    I like Connors and Perine because htey can both be physical 20 carry a game guys who can take the occasional one yard and can catch too. They won’t be all-pro but they can average 4.2 yards per carry and will only cost a 3 or 4.

  47. 47 ChoTime said at 10:52 AM on December 9th, 2016:

    Eh, why draft someone like that when Ryan Mathews gets 4.4 and got 5.1 last year?

  48. 48 D3FB said at 11:22 PM on December 9th, 2016:

    Their entire rookie deal will be less than what Mathews makes this year. And will be more likely to play more than 10 games a year.

  49. 49 Insomniac said at 6:59 AM on December 10th, 2016:

    I think after more evaluations , Foreman might end up as a day 2 guy. Like you said he has pretty much no wiggle but he has the size, speed and toughness. He sort of reminds me a bit of Jonathan Stewert and Michael Turner.

    I liked Chubb before his injury but right now he needs to prove a lot at the combine.

    McCaffery has too many question marks for me. He’s not a bellcow guy like Bell or Zeke. His athleticism is good at the college level but it’s probably just going to be average to above-average in the NFL after he bulks up. IMO, he’s a 10-15 touches guy that will have boom or bust games on a mediocre team.

    I like Perine too but haven’t watched much of Connor yet.

  50. 50 Tumtum said at 3:54 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    I hate the draft 🙁

  51. 51 BobSmith77 said at 11:01 AM on December 8th, 2016:

    Nice long-form profile article on Joe Thomas and his current ‘Iron Man’ streak for the hapless Browns.


  52. 52 daveH said at 12:43 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    Thanks for the moment of hope Tommy. I dread going back to reality … i hate reality. Its a cold lonely icey dark place.

  53. 53 Sb2bowl said at 12:54 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    It sucks knowing that our most explosive former play makers are all having success at their new destinations. As happy as I was to see Kiko come to Philly (I thought he would be a stud, and I thought McCoy would hit the RB wall), I hate the way everything turned out.

    I think the biggest thing we need going into next year is stability. Draft picks galore, some low key (and intelligent) FA signings, and lets see how things play out. Doug deserves 3 years, so do the players of this team. I know that’s not a popular opinion, but that’s where I’m at right now.

    Look at the teams having success– all have had mostly stable environments for their players to grow and shape their roles. We don’t have that yet, because its too early in the process. As much as I hate patience, we need to exercise some now.

  54. 54 Insomniac said at 3:15 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    I feel like the guys who said Wentz is regressing has never watched him play at NDSU. Everyone was begging for Doug to let Wentz throw deep more often and Doug did eventually take the leash off. Well the problem is that Wentz’s deep ball has stunk for years and a year of NFL coaching from even the best wouldn’t fix it immediately. So it’s not regression, it has been Doug maximizing what Wentz has been good at right now and clearly it hasn’t been enough to win us more games. However, that’s not a bad thing since Wentz is learning firsthand what he can and can’t do.

    The worrisome thing is that he’s not improving right now and that his bad habits might be too ingrained in him to fix.

  55. 55 anon said at 3:15 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    yup or doesn’t think he has a problem.

  56. 56 Insomniac said at 3:16 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    God I hope Doug, Reich, and DeFilippo smacked him behind the head after that.

  57. 57 BlindChow said at 4:43 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    I’m not sure where you’re getting “Doug did eventually take the leash off [his deep ball]”?

    He started the year throwing deep, and doing extremely well at it. [There were even articles about how Doug was clearly not holding anything back with Wentz.] Then he had a few drops deep on well-thrown balls, and finally they went almost exclusively to short, quick passes (this may have been post-Lane suspension?). Recently he started taking more shots again, and they haven’t been as good as at the start of the year. Ergo: regression.

    (It seems like he’s hesitating more now when he throws deep, which tends to result in under-throws or interceptions. This corresponds with his declining play across the board, not just when going deep.)

  58. 58 ChoTime said at 6:04 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    He hit on some medium or long passes early on, but overall he was dinking and dunking. This was the narrative used to criticize him in regards to Dak, and it is also borne out by stats.

    As this shows: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/alex/2016/2016-alex-midseason-report

    His ALEX (essentially air yards) went from 28th in week 1-5 to to 20th 6-10. In other words, yes, he threw longer passes later on in the season.

  59. 59 Insomniac said at 6:20 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    No he wasn’t…

    Go back and watch the games before we activated Treggs. You’ll see mostly short to intermediate throws.

  60. 60 BlindChow said at 7:34 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    I’m talking about the first couple games. Deep pass being 20+ yards. He had two TD’s with those alone in his first start. Though maybe you’re talking about the bomb (40+) passes?

    After that it was dink and dunk.

    (I only remember maybe four bombs to Treggs all season, only one of which was caught…)

  61. 61 Insomniac said at 8:27 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    I’m not even talking about bombs, although he’s not good at that too. Wentz was just not throwing deep as often as he is now. Going to steal Kempski’s gifs of Wentz’s deep balls for this since there’s no better breakdowns (I would just scroll down and look at the gifs).


    Now you can see that he does throw deep in earlier games but you do have to realize that it was set up after dinking and dunking 80% of the time. Sure he didn’t sail the deep ball over guys head earlier but Doug probably knew that it would be hit or miss. Most likely Doug was building up Wentz’s confidence and was trying to get him into a good rhythm before dialing up a deep throw/bomb. Then again it’s still a small sample size compared to his rather large sample size of short-intermediate throws.

  62. 62 BlindChow said at 9:49 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    His first touchdown (20 yards to Jordan Matthews) was literally his fifth pass of the year. So I mean, technically 1 out of 5 passes is 20%, but I doubt after throwing 4 passes Cleveland’s defenders were going, “He’s never going deep, all four of his career passes were short!”

    But the gifs basically support my point: he wasn’t “leashed” in those games if he was throwing deep. I agree the gameplan was inordinately dink and dunk after the Steelers game, though. And he’s been pretty bad lately.

  63. 63 Insomniac said at 10:12 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    There’s going to be a lot of cause and effects but lets keep it simple. I believe that we weren’t trailing from behind against any of those teams in the gifs. Doug is a simple coach, he’s not going to change his game plan drastically. When we weren’t down in points, Wentz was playing not to lose with safe short-intermediate throws and the occasional deep throw. When we were losing, Doug started calling for more down the field throws (Lions, Seahawks, Redkins for example). Was he really leashed? Maybe that’s not the right word, perhaps he wasn’t asked to do it as much as he is now?

    I want to say that Doug started letting Wentz throw deep more during the Lions game but I don’t have any real numbers. Oddly enough I remember that game as probably his best game throwing deep despite the last minute pick.

  64. 64 Sean Stott said at 4:54 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    I can tell that the season is over for the Eagles, at least as far as my unflinching interest goes, because I no longer have been getting the butterflies before and during games. When your team is competitive and the games matter, it makes you a little nervous, me at least. Now it’s just flat. Kinda sucks. Less stressful though.

  65. 65 Blackfoot said at 6:42 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    sometimes I like when the eagles don’t make the playoffs so I can just watch football instead of getting all bent out of shape about everything.
    because we are always just waiting for the other shoe to drop anyway.
    no one said it would be easy being born into this.

  66. 66 Sean Stott said at 7:22 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    My wife keeps asking me why I don’t root for a better team.

  67. 67 P_P_K said at 10:21 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    Dangerous ground, the next step would be rooting for a better wife.

  68. 68 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 6:49 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    Less exciting also

  69. 69 CrackSammich said at 8:49 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    I’ve also lost that feeling watching the Eagles, but knowing full well the Flyers aren’t very good this year, every single game is exciting as shit. They just scored 3 goals in a min and half.

  70. 70 ChoTime said at 5:58 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    This guy thinks Bradford’s pretty good, analysis showing how bad his team is and Sammy making the best of it:

  71. 71 A_T_G said at 10:26 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    This comment could (and likely has) been made literally every season Bradford played.

  72. 72 sonofdman said at 10:56 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    Yep. I can’t remember another player that so many people make so many excuses for. He has never had a winning season in the NFL and people still insist he is a good QB.

  73. 73 ChoTime said at 10:50 AM on December 9th, 2016:

    True. I certainly can’t argue about the vids he uses to prove his point, and he pretty obviously has a true dumpster fire at OL this year. In those vids, Sam looks competent if not heroic, but undone by terrible teammates.

    I don’t think that was the case last year. He took some hits very bravely, and he throw some good passes; but his overall conservatism, tendency toward check-downs, and inability to find anyone past 10 yards was on him.

    Maybe it’s true that he’s finally healthy at last, and he’s unfortunately playing his best ball now with the worst tools. Maybe. Or maybe Cian is just cherry-picking stuff. Either way, another Sammy season, another season of bad offense.

  74. 74 BobSmith77 said at 7:08 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    Any stats on batted balls? Wentz seems to have his share of them despite his height. Wonder though if that is in part to throwing short, passes over the middle.

    The other thing is how hesistabt he seems to be at times to scramble and when he does as the season has wore on seems notably slower.

  75. 75 SteveH said at 7:10 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    We are throwing a ton of those short crossers and slants. Our OL needs to do a better job of punishing guys who are going to jump.

  76. 76 Mitchell said at 7:26 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    There were several last game from Dunlap, maybe last game influenced ypur thinking a bit?

  77. 77 BlindChow said at 9:34 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    I did read that one of his mechanical issues recently is a longer wind-up, so maybe the Bengals DL were coached on it…

  78. 78 bill said at 7:53 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    Re: scrambling, I’ve thought the exact opposite.

  79. 79 BobSmith77 said at 7:17 PM on December 8th, 2016:


    Spadaro getting on board the Turner bandwagon. Sounds like he’ll be getting his share of snaps too this week out of the slot WR position.

    Curious with Matthews back who Wentz goes to more at WR and especially on 3rd down and the red zone.

  80. 80 Mitchell said at 7:21 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    Hell yeh. I really hope he gets a td this week, then he’ll have similar production to Ags…..

  81. 81 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 7:23 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    If DGB doesn’t play then Matthews should play his take his spot.

    I don’t think Wentz really favors any one WR yet. I think he will likely go with his first read

  82. 82 Mitchell said at 7:24 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    I think he’ll go with the guy who catches the ball. *cough Turner* cough

  83. 83 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 7:30 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    I think he goes through his progressions. But history says it will be either Agholor, Ertz or Sproles

  84. 84 anon said at 9:37 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    Why didn’t we get Tyreek Hill?

  85. 85 Insomniac said at 10:12 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    Remember when that team had no WRs?

  86. 86 anon said at 10:36 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    maybe they’ll trade maclin back to us

  87. 87 SteveH said at 10:25 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    Khalil Mack is a monster. Him, Von Miller and JJ Watt are another planet when it comes to pass rushing.

  88. 88 SteveH said at 10:33 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    Holy shit, Nate Allen is still in the league?!!

  89. 89 SteveH said at 11:12 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    If Carson Wentz was throwing the ball like Derek Carr is tonight we’d be talking about him as a draft pick failure.

  90. 90 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 11:15 PM on December 8th, 2016:

    Carr has a dislocated (in two places) finger on his throwing hand… And Amari Cooper should have caught that

  91. 91 Mitchell said at 1:42 AM on December 9th, 2016:

    It’s sad for me when what I’m looking forward to most on Sunday is an UDFA WR.

  92. 92 SteveH said at 4:11 AM on December 9th, 2016:

    Don’t feel sad about the PT Cruiser baby, it’s just getting rolling!

  93. 93 Media Mike said at 5:06 AM on December 9th, 2016:

    Not Eagles related, but falls under Philly territory; Connor McDavid needs to have his face punched in soon. WAY out of line comments after last night’s game.