Another Crazy Day
Posted: March 3rd, 2017 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 224 Comments »No news from Indy.
But lots of news from Indy.
Nothing involving the Eagles actually happened, but lots of rumors were swirling and peripheral events were happening.
Saints WR Brandin Cooks is the object of trade talks with the Titans and Eagles identified as two interested suitors, per league sources.
— Chris Mortensen (@mortreport) March 2, 2017
The Eagles are looking for young, talented receivers. Cooks is a young, talented receiver. This report does make sense.
At the same time, the Saints won’t be giving Cooks away. The Eagles aren’t going to send a mid-1st for Cooks. The Saints do need defensive help, but I’m not sure the Eagles have any players the Saints would be targeting as part of a deal. Howie Roseman is really good at making deals so if he is really interested in Cooks, maybe something could be worked out.
The Eagles seem really interested in adding a speedy receiver. Cooks ran 4.33 at the Combine and that speed has shown up on the game field. He averaged 15 yards per catch last year and had 6 receptions of 40 or more yards. Jordan Matthews also had 6. For his career. Cooks is only 23 years old so he is the kind of young talent the Eagles would love to give Carson Wentz to work with.
While this does make a lot of sense, the NFL isn’t a great league for trades. I wouldn’t say this is likely. But we’ll see.
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One backup QB drawing interest on the trade market: #Eagles QB Chase Daniel. As teams try to improve there, Daniel is one to watch.
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) March 2, 2017
Huh? Daniel barely played in 2016.
But he did help Doug Pederson install his offense and teach it to the other players. Daniel also helped Carson Wentz develop as a rookie. Those are the reasons teams would be interested. Nobody suddenly thinks he is a dynamic QB.
Any of the teams thinking about drafting a QB early could have interest in Daniel to help their rookie develop and adjust to life in the NFL. Daniel isn’t as valuable to the Eagles now that the whole team knows the offense and Wentz has a year of experience. I’m sure Doug Pederson would love to keep Daniel, but if you can trade him for any pick, you do it. Daniel isn’t cheap and moving him would give the team more cap room.
If the Eagles could pull off a trade, one player they would almost certainly be interested in is Nick Foles. The coaching staff and management loved Foles when he was here. He is a high character guy and can be a good backup. Foles just isn’t a guy you build a team around.
I would love to see the Eagles be able to move Daniel. The key here is for teams to draft QBs early so they feel the need to really develop those guys. As you watch the Combine this weekend, hope that Mitch Trubisky, Deshaun Watson, Deshone Kizer and company all look terrific.
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.@nyjets planning to cut Marshall. Source: Don't be surprised if Eric Decker will be cut too when he passes physical https://t.co/0L4kVHSB2J pic.twitter.com/9JXkXuU1u0
— Manish Mehta (@MMehtaNYDN) March 3, 2017
Young? No. But Marshall and Decker would give the Eagles short term options. Marshall is better. Decker is younger. Neither is ideal.
I don’t think the Eagles would target these guys early, but could look at them as backup plans. If the Birds can’t land Alshon Jeffery or Kenny Stills or whoever they may want, Marshall and/or Decker would make sense as band-aids. Neither is a long term solution, but both are good enough to help in 2017 and the near future.
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Tony Pauline offered his thoughts.
The possibility of (DeSean) Jackson returning to the Philadelphia Eagles has captured most of the headlines, but I’m told the team would also be content with Garcon if Jackson re-signs with the Redskins or his price tag is out of reach.
The bottom line is Philadelphia wants to come out of free agency and the draft with weapons for Carson Wentz.
Garcon doesn’t have the speed the Eagles seem to want, but he is a tough, reliable, veteran receiver. There is some real value in a player like that. Jackson is the speedy type of receiver the Eagles seem to be focused on right now.
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If you haven’t seen this, watch it.
Ever wonder what it's like inside the Combine Interview rooms? Here's Carson Wentz meeting with the #Eagles
WATCH: https://t.co/ovknK7ZL5p pic.twitter.com/Sgvp66nG0l
— Fran Duffy (@fduffy3) March 2, 2017
Great job by Fran and the Eagles video department, allowing us to see a Combine interview. Very cool.
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Friday at noon EST coin flip to determine 14/15 pick with Colts. Although probability suggests Eagles have a 50/50 shot to win the coin flip I bet about 90% of Eagles fans feel we will lose the toss. Why? Just our luck as Eagles fans. LOL.
Meanwhile I would love to have Brandon Cooks and would be willing to give up our 2nd round pick, 4th round pick and Michael Kendricks to get him. We should not give up our first round pick. Sure seems like Titans are willing to give up their #18 1st round pick so this will probably never happen.
That pick belongs to us!
Trading Barwin and Kendricks straight up for Cooks would make sense. Sending a pick for him, especially a good pick for someone with only a little bit left on their rookie deal makes 0 sense. He was only worth a #20 1st rounder, why would we pay more than that for less time left on his deal? Literally makes no sense at all and the thought of giving a 1st for him really bothers me.
I can’t give up our first for Cooks due to the fact that we’ll need to sign him to a large deal as well, but I think you’re underestimating his market. Kendricks and Barwin would be pure throw in type players.
I’d vastly prefer Cooks to Alshon, but it looks like the Titans can out-gun us.
Dont beleive the reports. Saints like our defensive upgrades( kendricks and Curry) more than pure picks. Saints just want our 1st to boot, so now they mention the Titans might have the edge. Itll likely take a 2nd rd pick.
You can’t underestimate the value of having a 5th year option on a 1st round pick.
I don’t know that anyone is taking on Barwin’s contract at a 8.3mil cap hit, and Kendricks isn’t exactly cheap at 6.6mil, 7.6mil, and 8.6mil in the next couple years. Nobody would take on both.
In other news, whoever fixed NO’s cap situation needs a fucking raise. How did they end up with 27mil to spend?
C’mon. Are you saying that you would trade Hicks for a 2nd, since he was only a 3rd to begin with? Draft picks are potential. Cooks has realized his. That said, a 1st is too much. Howie is one of the few GM’s who might make this happen, but in general money makes trades difficult in the NFL.
He’s 23 a proven producer and almost no downside.
Barwin has a trade value of maybe a sixth or seventh round pick.
Kendricks has a trade value of a fifth or sixth round pick.
Cooks will almost certainly outproduce any WR taken at 14/15 over the next four years.
Is three years of cost control worth the risk of a bust?
The first rounder would be something you could live with.
Ideally the package is something like 42, Kendricks, and 139 or the Pats ’18.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/eagles-have-meetings-set-with-donta-foreman-james-conner/
You can’t fool me Howie, you want Fournette.
That would be really funny if we did wind up with Fournette. There is a lot of evidence against that happening, but it would be fun to have an actual athletic / smash mouth back running over the unworthy Washington, Dallas, and especially New York.
Fournette…no nift
God it would be nice to get Cooks, maybe for 2 2nd rounders( one this year one next year) and a defensive player? Hell.. even if we did give up are first at least we are guaranteed an instant upgrade and he has 2 years on his rookie deal. ala option for the fifth yr on his deal
We already traded our 2nd round pick in 2018 for Wentz
Well maybe a 2nd and two 3rd round picks! or next years first.. you get the idea, HR can figure out the details son!
Greatest day in Philadelphia Eagles off season history.
How so??
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Lol oh…the coin flip.
“Daniel also helped Carson Wentz develop as a rookie.” He did? Or did he help a rookie get through his 1st nfl year? I’d imagine – QB coach and Pederson is helped Wentz too…. Wentz is far from developed…..In winter we have to try and determine what is real and what is just pure smoke. Someone actually wanting Daniel enough to trade for him — has to be pure smoke. Daniel probably was a great help to Pederson(with installing offense etc). How can Daniel help another team, with a different offense? Agreed, would be nice to move some of that money.
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It’s a shame this isn’t a team “that close” where adding a few vets puts them over the top. Some real good “end of their career” talent is available.
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Eagles clearly want a WR and glad it’s not the “we’ll develop what we have” narrative. Please to no settle. Eagles wanted and aggressively targeted Wentz. Let’s hope they use the same focus to find the WR the want. Cooks so far makes the most sense. The rest — blah. Seems anything else is a “coin flip” to see if they pan out at WR….(so much better than arguing over who should be starting QB)
“Please to no settle. Eagles wanted and aggressively targeted Wentz. Let’s hope they use the same focus to find the WR the want.”
I’m with you.
My thought is that the team is coming away with 2 WRs out of FA/trade. I think they go heavy defense in the draft. I do wonder how different the wide receiver corps(e) produces with Britt, Cooks, Matthews, Agholor, (fill in name here).
Asking for a friend: What happens if the coin toss result is edge?
Dawn of the Dead
As a sitting president once implied, it depends on the meaning of the word, “head.”
Roseman-Ballard steel cage match.
The Eagles doctors agree to write whatever pill perscriptions for Irsay.
Lol….
If Eagles can get Cooks for a 2nd rounder I will cream my German underwear..
Maybe a 2nd rounder and a defensive player.
Kendricks to get more cap space…!
You’ve been over here long enough it should be American by now. (And when I say American, I really mean Chinese or Pakistani.)
Roseman would have to pull a jedi mind trick on a GM to get him to take Daniel. Easily the worst backup QB contract in the NFL right now.
Honestly….If anyone can do it, I think Roseman can.
I don’t think it is as bad for the acquiring team without the signing bonus. 6M. He was valuable for Wentz last year. Plus he could serve as a decent bridge QB for a team waiting on next years class. For a low rounder (6th)? Idk hopefully someone pulls the trigger.
Signing bonus was 3M. Chase is due to earn 7M in salary this year, with 5M guaranteed. So a team would have to be prepared to pay Chase 7M this year if they trade for him. He’s owed 7M next year too, though not guaranteed, so he’s an easy cut after this year. But there is no real way of getting around the 7M this year.
Roseman is good at constructing contracts he can trade (see Bradford), but this one doesn’t seem likely. Although there are teams with loads of cap space who may want multiple QB options, so maybe it could happen. That would be a major salary cap boon — six million. It’s also possible that a team has a player with guaranteed $$$ they could swap, though if he other team doesn’t want that player, in most cases the Eagles wouldn’t either.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BRLaODjgsvv/
Just watched this highlight of Cooks, and while he’s good, I mostly came away reminded that Brees is great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C53VazuZWag
Well Brees is a future first ballot HoFer. What did you expect?!
Breaking news right? I mean who knew?
Cooks isn’t worth a first or maybe even a second rounder. FA soon and the team needs as much cost control as they can, given the (mostly justifiably) expensive contracts Roseman handed out.
I think their goal is already to shed money. Let’s assume that’s a given. Next goal is to get weapons for Wentz. Cooks is very talented. Is there a WR in round 1 or 2 you can guarantee can = Cooks? Maybe there is, maybe there isn’t. Giving a 2nd round up to grab an immediate impact player, who is young — where do I sign up for that…
I think he his easily worth a 2nd.
I’d agree with that and say that he’s worth more. We’ve seen so many WRs flop (not just here) even if drafted high. We know Cooks is a player. A second round pick for a first round talent with very little risk in evaluation (besides pulling out the Brees effect)? Seems like a no brainer to me.
I’d definitely give up a 2 and a player (or two). I’d think long and hard about the 1st if necessary. Get Wentz some surefire weapons and help him grow.
He’s very cheap in 2017 and Eagles have plenty of money moving forward after that.
I am with you. I think we are so starved for a WR that people are overrating guys.
I do wonder if the appeal to a trade for a guy like Cooks is financial. You get a proven vet still on a rookie deal. Even if you extend him you can keep the 2017 cap impact low. That is likely be difficult to do with a FA. Is a 2nd round pick worth $7-$10mil in extra cap space this year? If you want to keep Bennie and add a top CB maybe it is.
Yeah, a 2nd round pick is worth that, according to most scales.
Trade Curry and draft Solomon Thomas.
I love Solomon Thomas, but we are moving up to be able to get him – he is a top 10 player all day, and honestly i have him in my top 5. Think he can be a monster at the NFL level.
He was my ex’s first cousin, so I’ve been following the kid since high school. You won’t find a higher character player.
You have no idea how excited I am to be able to tell real life friends that, “I have it on good advice from a guy who’s handle is ‘cracksammich’ on an Eagles blog site that Solomon Thomas’ character is of the highest caliber.”
This will be glorious.
Sometimes you get roasted so bad you’ve got nothing to say.
I would caution getting to held up on draft picks. Sometimes they work out but more often times not, especially after the 1st round. The Eagles need WRs, so why not trade a 2nd round pick (which could be used on a WR anyway), Kendricks/Barwin (who the Eagles want to get rid of anyway and free up cap space) and possibly another late round pick for a young, dynamic playmaker who has produced in the NFL. I can understand being upset with giving up the 1st round pick but the second? Its a no brainer. Take the production and the youth compared to nothing proven, and 2 extra years of cheap contract.
I don’t think nobody here disagrees with you. However the bigger question/issue is if the Saints would accept such a deal…
I’m taking Brandon Cooks over Cooper Kupp all day
He’s 3 months younger than Kupp too.
Brandin Cooks: I think that NO uses him a lot like we used to use Djax, but if you watch his college tape, he’s much more versatile as a WR, and that might be part of what he’s upset about (not just touches).
We would finally have someone who could do something on bubble screens!
If I see another screen to JMatt i might die
Tackle eligible screens to Lane would be a better use of a down.
With our without supplements though…?
Drunk with a leg amputated I’ll still take Lane
Fair enough.
Can we just do away with them all together? Maybe 3 a game and not 1-2 every possesion.
70% of them are RPOs. So it’s not that they are necessarily called it’s just what the defense gives. Ironically adding a guy like Cooks would reduce the number of them that you would run because teams are going to have to pay more attention when they are worried about something other than Jordan Matthews running into Nelson Agholors block.
Indeed! And excel at it!
I say Cooks in his prime > Djax in his prime. Do you agree?
Cooks is still ascending. I think he might have greater command of the route tree than Jax at 23.
But option isnt Prime Jax vs Cook. Its Jax now vs 23 yd old Cook.
Well put.
Prime Djax is one of the top deep threats in the history of the game. I think Cooks has the ability to be a more well rounded player
Fair enough.
I loved Cooks coming out of college. I thought he was going to become a household name when I found out he would have Brees as his QB. I know Brees spreads the ball around better than anyone, so it makes sense Cooks hasn’t had a breakout, household name, year. But I still don’t think I’d give up too much to get him, not what I would have when he was coming out of college.
I’m ok with a 2nd – are you?
It’s close for me, I would not complain if we gave up a 2nd for him. Would like to see some more action in that deal, like maybe swap a 5th for a 4th or something somewhere in there. Make it a little messy. Just a quirk of mine.
10 min til Coin Flip of the century.
https://twitter.com/JimmyKempski/status/837708359197425664
I am embarrassed to say but I am at work, and streaming the coin toss. Pretty sure that is rock bottom.
You could be on top of your desk shouting “I love Black people” and “show me the money.”
Howie Roseman out there dapping everyone before the flip.
Dear gods, who milks a coin toss? Get it over with!
(yes, I’m actually watching a coin toss ceremony)
You’re watching it and posting online about it…even worse… better?
Kill me now.
We’re anxiously waiting for his comments. Which is worse?
WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER!
I was barely worse – I was using you…
I was glad to be your…vessel…
Oh get a room!
THIS WAS OUR SUPERBOWLZZZZZZZZ
Philadelphia’s change of luck. A journey of a thousand super bowls begins with a single flip of the coin.
YES
WON the combine
Get ready for a lot of this gif in the next few days
https://media.giphy.com/media/dRe4E45sXCuSQ/giphy.gif
That is so painfully awkward.
How about this?
https://media.giphy.com/media/uCqlR0JTRpJL2/giphy.gif
Spielman in the background is even more awkward than Howie.
I can’t even figure out what Spielman is doing there. Is that some kind of gesture for increased applause?
Yeh, I think Howie looks fine but w/e the hell the other guy is doing looks ridiculous. Its also really cool to see Pederson(I think) and Howie interact like that. Hopefully 2 friends that trust and respect each other.
I saw the full video. He was bringing up his arms for a thumbs down gesture. They got the later pick in the 2nd round because of “winning” the first round.
We didn’t get the later pick. The Vikings did.
That’s why their gm was giving the thumbs down gesture.
ah. well, i’m just gonna awkward turtle right out of here
If we’re spamming it, I’d prefer the awkward one?
But to answer, that dude in the purple has the awkward covered.
Understatement but the capper is hand motion opening er exploding at the very end.
Corporate types trying to be cool can be ridiculous. Or not even being cool, just being not completely socially inept. I used to work for a chain restaurant and one of our district managers had a meeting with a new CEO that our general manager also attended, and he recounted how our district manager walked up to shake hands with the new CEO and instead of shaking his hand back the CEO just engaged in a prolonged hug with the district manager. I would pay good money for a video of that.
I think it is exactly as awkward as it would be if any single one of us were at that event. There are maybe 3 people alive who could pull of a genuinely “cool” reaction to a successful coin toss.
I actually love this. Why? Because, it’s easy to forget that these highly paid corporate types are still just kids playing a game. The fact that Howie’s go to on this was an exploding fist bump is perfect. I’m glad to see that he’s having fun and being a regular guy. I’d be more concerned if he was acting like he didn’t care.
Howie, if you’re out there somewhere… please remember this the next time a love-able guy like T Law want to shake your hand.
IF the eagles trade for cooks, does that make trading J Matthews a more likelihood? Would the saints have an interest in Matthews as part of compensation? He’s been compared to marques colston, minus the hands.
Things on the list of “what Drew Brees doesn’t want.”
1. Oline that can’t block
2. WRs who can’t catch
3. STDs
4. Spoiled Milk
I don’t understand the issue people have with Matthews, and i would be shocked if the Eagles were willing to weaken their WR line up even more by trading him. Ertz/Matthews/Cooks is a nice set of 3 primary receiving options to have, and you can draft and develop another outside option over the next couple of years.
It’s the question of whether they plan on keeping after next year, or get something for him now while they can. I don’t have an issue with him, just looking at players that some other team might actually value.
Don’t see why you would let him walk, or even not resign him this year. He is a no.2 WR who should be a 1k yard 5-8 TD the next 3-4 years. High character, leader and intelligent. You always want that type of guy on your team, especially when he should only cost a mid tier WR contract.
Agreed on JM. I did expect a better season from him last year. 48th in total yards and only 3 TD’s. Thank goodness Alshon J(of the top 50 wr’s in terms of yardage) had less TD’s. With a new number 1 getting on the team(either draft/FA or both :)), could we expect JM numbers to go down?( also considering Ertz.) IF Wentz progresses, and JM takes a step forward and Eagles find a weapon at WR – count me happy with JM as a number 2. new weapon/JM/Ertz can be a pretty good trio….
I don’t have a problem with him, but I absolutely see why you would let him walk. He’s going to get a huge contract in a growing cap, but I don’t think his skillset is irreplaceable. If he’s playing strictly in the slot, you can get the same kind of production at a much lower cost. He’s going to get an equivalent to a $12M/yr contract, relative to this year (so probably more next year). I think he’s a fine receiver, but he’s not worth that kind of money if you’ve got other reliable receivers, which we would presumably have next year.
I can think of several guys in this year’s draft who you could pick up in the 3rd/4th/5th round who would probably provide close to the same numbers, at a much lower price.
I think with a developing QB, it’s important to get him reliable weapons, especially if they’re difference makers. If we’re investing in a guy like Cooks/Jeffrey/Britt, some other mid-tier vet, and some draft picks to revamp the WR corps, then I think Matthews is expendable at that price. He’s just not worth that kind of money because he’s nothing more than reliable. And that’s where the trade rumors come from, because if he’s not in your long term plans (which again, he shouldn’t be AT THAT PRICE), then right now is as high as his trade value will ever be.
While i am all aboard the NFL contracts are going to be huge bandwagon, that does not mean that Matthews will get 12M/yr. I like him as a player but he does not have no.1 WR ability and I would be shocked if anyone in the NFL is going to pay him like one. Think $10m/Yr is the absolute max he would get this year, and you would have the advantage of it being spread over an extra year to lower the cap hit.
I would look for an extension along the lines of a $10m signing bonus, $1m 2017, $3m 2018, $6m 2019, $9m 2020, $10m 2021, $12m 2022.
(giving cap figures of) $3.5m 2017, $5m 2018, $8m 2019, $11m 2020, $12m 2021, $12m 2022.
Guarantees would be for 18 and 19, with injury guarantees in 2019, giving a fully guaranteed $19m and ~$25m of ‘guaranteed money’.
Winners of the off-season thus far: Philadelphia Eagles.
Still. Un. Beaten.
Honestly, our wide receivers were so bad last year that if we land ANY of the players being discussed as potential targets we’ll be drastically improved next year on offense. Certainly there’s a noticeable drop in talent between a guy like Jeffery and a guy like Britt. But, the difference between Agholar/DGB and guys like Jeffery, Cooks, Jackson, Marshall, Stills, Garçon, Britt is so drastic that I feel like we basically can’t go wrong. No matter who we sign we’re essentially guaranteed to see substantial improvement. I guess that’s the one plus to having the shittiest wide receiver corps in the league by a wide margin….at least we know there’s no possibility that we’ll be worse there next year and it’s going to be fairly easy to improve that part of the team significantly regardless of who we get.
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shoot, I would get tired after running a 40. So close.
Leonard Fournette clocked an unofficial forty time of 4.51 at the NFL Scouting Combine.
Fournette ran a 4.52 on his second attempt. He needed a good showing in the 40 after disappointing with a 28.5-inch vertical earlier in the day. Relative to his size (240 pounds), 4.51 is an excellent time and Fournette probably won’t need to run the forty again at his LSU Pro Day. He’s still in play as a potential top-10 pick.
Lol. Snap.
He is literally a half step slower than Zeke. Thats all. That is great for a 240 pound man. That is a death sentence for a DB
I don’t get all the hype he is getting for running over DBs in college. In the pros, they’ll just dive at his ankles and he’ll go down unless he learns to hurdle smaller guys.
But Dave… I seem to recall an amazing 1st round RB trucking Kurt Coleman a few years back.
Dang, I can’t remember his name though… probably because he is irrelevant in today’s NFL.
Kurt Coleman has a mangina
The vertical is disappointing but it’s not a killer. I would be more disappointed in Cook with his 30″ vertical than Fournette especially since Fournette has 30 pounds on him. Jarvis Landry had a pathetic vertical but he’s doing just fine.
Generally LSU guys are good in my book. You have plenty of game tape against real competition so gym stats mean less to me there.
Fournette with an unofficial 4.48 40 time weighing in at 240 pounds. So why should he fire his agent and trainers again, DF3B??
His agent was probably floating around news that Fournette runs 4.3s or something. I would believe it if Fournette was around 225-230 but not 240.
Nobody on earth weighing in at 230 can run a 4.3
Megatron did
He’s not a human being.
Showing up 15 lbs heavy is still bad but he helped himself with his 40.
22 BP should help Cook alleviate some shoulder concerns. McCaffery hurt himself with just 10 – some playoff team is probably going to get a score in him. Really don’t want to see him in GB.
Hard no to Cook, esp at 14.
Agreed. But he’s helping himself, if the physicals clear him he goes high. Which is fine, once the QB’s move up it helps someone slip to 14. There are at least 4 CB that I’d be fine with the team being fine with.
I see where you are going. Im still hoping one of the OTs slipped into the top 15.
2 QB, 2 S, 2 RB, 2 WR, 3-4 rushers, Foster. There will be a solid starting CB at 14.
McCaffery hurts the most, he’s supposedly a gym rat and well it hasn’t really shown. He just might be maxed out already.
If you watch his tape, he does so many little things well. He will be a safe pick, even if his theoretical ceiling isn’t as high as some.
Damn that’s great. Still mind boggling how Jeff Maehl holds the record at 6.42s.
A safe pick in terms of what? A gadget player that you have to be creative with? Sure. A complete RB? No.
Definitely more than gadget, and you pretty much have to get creative with everything to be successful in the NFL now. The days of running AP up the middle all game to get to the playoffs are past.
He’s not going to run the ball as much as a feature back. He’s going to be used as a receiver for sure. You’re not going to send him out to block on 3rd downs since that’s counterproductive. He’ll get plays designed for him to catch teams off guard. He’s pretty much going to be a gadget player unless you want to ruin him by making him carry a heavy load.
Gonna have to agree to disagree, unless you consider guys like Jamaal Charles and Westbrook gadget players. For instance, imagine him in GB with Montgomery. Both can run or flex out. With Rodgers that would be a total nightmare for the D. Remember, we always had another solid runner paired with Westbrook. Today that’s even more necessary. Even a power team like the titans wants two strong backs. Seasons like Elliott had are the exception, not the rule.
Patriots?
Ugh.
RE: The Value of Winning that Coin Flip
The difference between choosing 14 or 15.
On first reflection, it doesn’t seem like a lot.
Yes, there’s the hard-to-quantify value of having the chance to select from among a group that otherwise has one more more player in it.
And that could be the difference between drafting, say, a pro bowler like Tim Rossovich (14th overall by the Birds in ’68) versus a hexed player like Jerome McDougal (15th overall in 2003). You just don’t know.
But what is hard, objective value of winning that coin flip?
Answer . . . a late-4th Rd pick. (27th to be precise.)
http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php
That is, if the Eagles had lost the flip, it would have taken a late-4th Rd pick to move from 15 to 14 in the draft.
So cudos to Roseman for — in my way of thinking — having the good luck to walk away today with the value of an extra late-4th-Rd pick in the Birds’ pocket.
Awesome post.
In Dallas, this would have been framed as “like getting another first round pick”
Am I remembering correctly that we alternate picking 14th in each round? If so, shouldn’t that factor in to the value for winning the flip, since by winning the 14th pick, we lost the 46/47 exchange? (Just to nerd it up a little more.)
No. Vikings and Colts are alternating.
Trade a 3rd,maybe a 2nd along with Kendricks for Cooks.
Yea just saw the results. Not good for some guys.
Especially for James Conner. I think he’s an awesome human being and football player, but a 4.68 will hurt his draft stock..
Shouldn’t be a problem. #timetraveler
So according to the draft value chart on PFT, we picked up the value of a lower-mid 4th rounder with the coin flip!
Has Alex Marvez tweet been posted. Eagles likely destination for cook fora second
Why is this guy?! Coming out from nowhere…
Forrest Lamp and Garrett Bolles tore it up today.
I think a Alvin Kamara proved he is the most explosive back in this draft. I really like him if he’s there for our 2nd round pick.
It showed on tape. He’s explosive but limited second gear.
I think home run speed is a bonus not a requirement for a RB. I’ll take a quick/explosive guy any day that spot.
Similar to Shady in that way. He also has incredible balance.
Too bad our second pick is gonna be used for Cooks!!!!
Yes really a shame. Rather have the Eagles spend their 2nd rounder on Jarrett, Nate Allen of Victor frigging Abiamiri.
I love Lamp.
If he’s there when we pick in the second, Howie should run to the podium himself to take him.
sorry with the political sideshow going on I’m not as focused on the Iggles but on what day coming up can anything actually happen. Because I’ll try to pay more attention that day. thanks.
Everyday feels like a circus
Free agency starts the 9th
is that also the first day trades can be made? thanks.
Officially.. Yes.
great thanks see you all Thurs if not sooner.
Yes
Since December, my Twitter feed is 80% about the white house and 20% sports. It used to be the other way around…I miss those days.
mine’s 95 – 5% probably. I don’t think it’s going to flip back soon either.
#resist
I still havent figured out whats so likeable about twitter .. love the idea sure..but hate the clumsy non customizable page
If you use it as a newsfeed, it is awesome. If you want it to be like Facebook social media, not so much.
Agree rather than go to all different websites it is all right there
While certainly not optimal, if your internal scouts still have any faith in further growth out of Agholor, DGB, or (to a lesser extent) Matthews, bringing in a veteran on a short-term deal to help solidify the position this season, and foster that growth down the line, doesn’t sound like the worst idea.
Marshall or Garcon would be good candidates here. One would think that Matthews would have been a good influence in that manner b/c he’s supposedly such a hard worker, but that didn’t seem to pan out last year.
Rather have Garcon.
I read an amusing suggestion: we should use Agholor as a “shutdown receiver”; wherever the other team’s best corner goes we have Ags line up across from him.
He’d probably forget to line up on the line of scrimmage and cause a penalty overturning a huge passing play…
THat would work until the other team decided to not cover him and put 2 guys on another receiver. There’s a 75% chance he drops the damn ball anyways.
I saw so many gifs of him wide open against the Seahawks after the game this year. Not sure if Wentz didn’t see Agholor, or if he was too busy getting sacked to notice…
I mean, Agholor probably would have dropped the ball, yeah, but the guy was getting clear “SEPARATION” (a buzzword I have come to hate, after seeing so many people claiming it’s the most important thing about a WR).
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000789697/article/corey-davis-wont-40-at-nfl-combine-or-pro-day
Next thing you know he’ll skip practice because he stubbed his toe.
A lot of money for him riding on that 40 time. I don’t blame him for wanting to be 100%.
Trying once and failing is the worst thing you can do. The only thing that he has helping his stock right now is his tape against weaker schools.
100% soft move.
FOURTEEN YO!
Round 1 Pick 14: Marlon Humphrey, CB, Alabama (B)
Round 2 Pick 11: Cooper Kupp, WR, Eastern Washington (A-) (Pick traded to New Orleans along with Kendricks and a conditional 2018 draft pick for Cooks!)
Round 3 Pick 10: Larry Ogunjobi, DT, Charlotte (A-)
Round 4 Pick 12: Samaje Perine, RB, Oklahoma (A)
Round 4 Pick 32 (COMP): Jordan Morgan, OG, Kutztown (A-)
Round 5 Pick 11: Daeshon Hall, DE, Texas A&M (A)
Round 6 Pick 10: Jalen Reeves-Maybin, OLB, Tennessee (B)
Round 7 Pick 12: Nate Hairston, CB, Temple (C)
Just take off Kupp because we now have Cooks.
Pump the brakes. Hasn’t happened yet.
And getting the 14th pick was only a 50-50 proposition; we’re on a heater!
Forget about the curveball Ricky…
Give ’em the heater
Ah, ol’ Marlon “Has Trouble Defending the Deep Ball” Humphrey. Just what this franchise needs…
This could end up being the most amazing thing ever:
https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/837791586926854145
id prefer to see the cowboys not get anything for romo
But seeing another team have to pay Romo’s full salary on their cap AND Dallas having to eat the dead money from his pro-rated bonus would be doubly fun.
AND if that team were the WFT…
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Was-team; their mascot is trash and should be banned……..especially because it would upset their fan base a great deal.
hearing romo to texans. As long as it’s not for Watt or Clowney i’m ok.
Draft picks are so over valued. I would do an involuntary standing backflip the instant I heard we gave a 2 for Cooks.
A lot of the value is that if you get a good player, you are usually underpaying him significantly for at least three years — that helps you balance other parts of the roster. Using a high draft pick for a player means you start paying top dollar right away, and for a team a bit tight on salary cap space, that can be tough.
However, Cooks is probably worth it (2nd rounder at least) — still quite young, and if he’s very good, he does have the 5th year option, so we could pay him highly (but less than franchise tag) to keep him in 2018 as well. That leverage may allow the Eagles to sign a more reasonable long-term contract with him this year, getting a defense-stretcher WR at a more reasonable cost than pure FA, and maybe leaving enough cap room for another mid-tier reliable veteran if we don’t land another WR high in the draft.
On the other hand, if you sign a FA receiver, you get both that player for a few years plus the draft pick. It’s just that Cooks has the potential for a long career with Wentz, as opposed to an older FA, which makes him so attractive.
Just getting home and on here after a long, long week of work. So, did I read right? We won the coin toss meaning we pick #14? Did we trade for Cooks & sign DJax?
Won toss, yes.
No trade yet.
We won the coin toss, can’t trade for Cooks yet even if we wanted to.
I know, but its been a month now with no football and 2 months without Eagles football. I’m pretty sure that violates the Geneva Conventions.
Eagles put second round tender on Trey Burton
or they will, more accurately
My four year old just vomited a grown man amount of vomit all over her bed and herself while my wife is out with her girlfriends… #daddyduty
She must be a Knicks fan
Don’t put the sheets in the washer until you’ve rinsed them in the tub.
You’re a good man.
Yeah i learned that lesson the hard way.
http://seahawksdraftblog.com/tef-results-2017-what-did-we-learn
For those that are interested, here is some
Interesting analytics data for the OL combine performers. It’s a long read, but interesting if you are into this sort of stuff.
Quick take always:
Forrest Lamp and Garrett Bolles killed it. Bolles looking like a top 15 pick.
Taylor Moton, Isaac Asiata, and Nico Siracusa also helped themselves.
Cam Robinson is not an explosive athlete. Finished middle of the pack despite a decent 40 time.
This is a really weak OL class as we already knew.
If Bolles was 21-23 then he would be the first OL off the board. Too bad he’ll be 26 by his second year.
I still think he goes early. There is a real shortage of athletic OL in the NFL right now. People will look past his age for a day 1 starter at LT.
I don’t want him for the eagles though due to his age.
I don’t. I think he’s a mid-late first round pick. No bad teams want an old OL and not many ascending teams want to invest in someone for 3-4 years at that age in the draft.
I think he falls out of 1st simply because of the Danny Watkins cautionary tale. It’s a campfire story GM’s tell when they’re sleeping over at each other’s houses.
*holding flashlight under face* but what he really wanted to be was…a FIREMAN
*all the other GM’s scream*
The tale of Danny Watkins is a truly scary one. A good one to tell to young Eagle fans.
That’s more Ramscyk than Bolles. Ramscyk is younger but I would be freaked out about how much he likes football.
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