Built to Win

Posted: May 6th, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 128 Comments »

Free agency is over. The draft is over. We can now look at the roster and the personnel decisions that were made and give them some thought. What was the plan for the offseason?

I covered that topic in my PE.com column.

The NFL is a passing league and the Eagles didn’t do a good job in 2016 with the passing game on offense or stopping the passing game on defense.

PHI QB rating – 79.2
OPP QB rating – 85.7

PHI TD passes – 16
OPP TD passes – 25

Those are simple stats and lack context, but do show the problems.

The front office decided to get Carson Wentz help. They kept the OL intact and added depth. They signed free agent receivers and drafted a pair of home run threats. They added good backup QBs. The coaching staff returns, with the exception of Greg Lewis, who the Eagles wanted to upgrade.

The defense got a couple of pass rushers, a couple of talented rookie CBs and some interesting LB depth.

The Eagles should be able to throw the ball better and defend the pass better. That’s what it takes to win in the NFL today.


It does help that the Eagles played a couple of crappy teams in that span, but Domo’s point is accurate. The Eagles were playing effective pass defense at the time. Brooks wasn’t anything special, but was a veteran who provided stability and allowed the other DBs to stay in their spots as he manned the slot. His absence created a domino effect.

Losing a player can hurt the best secondary. Think how much Seattle struggled when Kam Chancellor held out a couple of years ago. Think about how they struggled without Earl Thomas last year.

i love the fact the Eagles added a pair of CBs in the draft. I do with they had added a Safety with good cover skills as well, but I do think Randall Goforth and Tre Sullivan have some potential. I also hope Terrence Brooks can be more of a factor this year. He was a late addition last summer and was behind everyone else when it came to learning the scheme and carving out a role.


This guy can be a big help to the secondary, no matter who is out there.



128 Comments on “Built to Win”

  1. 1 Dan in Philly said at 11:50 PM on May 6th, 2017:

    That dude can bend. I don’t​ remember the last Eagle who could run so fast while almost perpendicular to the ground like that. Who keeps saying he doesn’t bring any special things to the game? Maybe not measurables, but when I see him play he just jumps out at you.

  2. 2 Meh said at 12:43 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    The one at :32 was so nasty. God I can’t wait to see some guys with stars on their helmet laying flat on the ground.

  3. 3 Jernst said at 1:38 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    His bend and flatten is truly special. That’s an elite and undervalued skill. I still think his short arms and lack of speed will keep him from ever being a truly elite, top 5 DE, but I still fully anticthat we got ourselves an 8-10 sack a year type guy rather than a bust. He’s going to be good.

  4. 4 Anders said at 5:31 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    People assume his bend is nothing special has never seen Marcus Smith try to bend the edge like that

  5. 5 Media Mike said at 7:25 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    Where I come from on Barnett, or any other prospect, is not from a scouting perspective as that’s not my forte. I’m a voracious reader of secondary sources on players and try to get a vibe on what the best available information on the guy says.

    What I can gather, from a consensus standpoint, on Barnett is:
    – not a bust
    – not a classic “reach” at 14
    – guy who will consistently produce, no matter what the competition

    If I look at tiers of Eagles DEs, `here are the guys

    Trent Cole (5th rounder) 80 sacks / 10 years – 8 sack year / avg
    Clyde Simmons (9th rounder) 76 sacks / 8 years 9.5 sack / year avg
    Hugh Douglas (trade 2nd/5th) 51.5 sacks / 5 years = 10.3 sack / year
    William Fuller (free agent signing) 35.5 sacks / 3 years = 11.83 sack year / avg

    I’m not going to use Reggie White as a comp because Reggie is the greatest defender in the history of the NFL.

    But my greater question is what kinds of numbers to we need to see from Barnett after his first contract (5 years) is up in order to deem him a successful pick at 14?

  6. 6 Dave said at 7:50 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    I don’t care about sacks, that stat is more for Pro Bowl voting. As the sack statistics show, the 3-4 rush linebackers skews the sack data.

    I really just care about how disruptive a guy is and team pressures/hits/sacks. Brandon Graham is a perfect example. He gets hits and effects the play, even if he doesn’t get the sack.

  7. 7 Media Mike said at 7:52 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    While I respect that element of what a DE does as important, it usually lacks the impact of the loss of 10 yards and/or strip sack of the football.

  8. 8 bushisamoron said at 10:34 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    The sack allows the potential of the stopping of the ball, the loss of yardage and hitting the QB. Certainly pressure is important but hitting the QB is vital. Tom Brady looks like a sixth round pick when he’s getting hit.

  9. 9 Dave said at 10:41 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    “Tom Brady looks like a sixth round pick when he’s getting hit.”

    My point exactly.

  10. 10 sonofdman said at 3:00 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    Pressures are great, but it would be nice if Graham actually finished and got the sack more of the time. QBs can and do still complete passes under pressure.

  11. 11 Dave said at 4:25 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    That goes hand in hand with QBs throwing quick passes against our weak secondary after the first month of the season. It’s hard to sack the QB on a three-step drop.

  12. 12 D3FB said at 8:14 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    Bunch of things will play into that. Health first and foremost. Scheme switch (he can play 34 OLB, but could have a down year as he acclimates). Reps, ie does Curry pull a rabbit out of his ass and play up to his contract or Ziggy Ansah becomes a FA and decides he wants to play for Schwartz.

    But roughly 40 sacks at the end of 5 years. With a couple pro-bowls and a couple seasons of double digits.

  13. 13 Media Mike said at 8:16 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    Thank you. And I’d agree with that as a fair barometer.

  14. 14 Tumtum said at 10:29 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    Don’t say things like that around here. I already want to type Ziiiiiggggyyyyyyzzzz

  15. 15 D3FB said at 11:10 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    I mean they most likely just tag him but if he has another down season…

  16. 16 kajomo said at 9:02 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    I think he’s a 7-8 sack guy, but will likely have less than that year 1. Maybe 32 sacks in 5 years.

  17. 17 Tumtum said at 10:28 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    If we want to pretend that sacks are all that matters, I would be satisfied with a 7 average. Over joyed by 10.

  18. 18 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:42 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    What I really like about Barnett is that you rarely see him just “tackle” a QB, it’s typically a pretty punishing hit he unleashes on QBs and it looks like he also knows how to make sure that most of his body weight comes crashing down on the QB at the end of the hit. What civil folk call “Follow thru”, I call “a little extra nasty after the initial contact”….. I can live with modest rookie sack numbers as long as he Consistently punishes QB And when he gets the sack he makes sure they feel him making it count especially when it comes to The QBs in our division
    I want to see this kid unleash some punishment on Eli and Dak as a rookie, the way Hicks brought the Boom to Romo his first year

  19. 19 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:25 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    Finally started to look into him a bit, and while Suggs is a good comparison from a body type stand point, similar height, weight, length, 40 time, Stylistically when I watch his highlights he looks more like a micheal Bennett type then Suggs. Coincidently Bennett is another Star who had a horrible combine worse than Suggs/Barnett, but I forgot how bad it really was until I went back to look at his results. He ran a 5 something in the 40, his Verticle was the same as Barnett and his broad was a little worse than Barnett. bennett had like 15lbs and an inch and a half of length more than Suggs/Barnnet but Bennett only put up 4 more reps than Barnett on the bench. Amazing how great Bennett has become considering both his terrible combine and lack of college sack production. I don’t know that I see The same ability to kick inside on passing downs like the versatility that Bennett provides, but dominating the edge would make him plenty valuable. Fingers crossed
    Stylistically I got the impression that Barnett’s Bend and ability to play low reminds me of Suggs, where as the advantage he generates thru crafty Hand usage reminds me of Bennett. If he can grow to become anything close to Suggs or Bennett he will be adored in philly, and playing on a line with disruptive beasts like BG, Cox, Jernigan who will command the attention of every offensive coordinator, Will provide the kid with aa ton of 1 on 1 opportunities, hopefully he proves capable of capitalizing on it. The earlier the better

  20. 20 A_T_G said at 9:33 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    Not to math it up around here, but normal people run perpendicular to the ground…

    But, yeah, that bend is something special. It looks like a camera trick.

  21. 21 Tumtum said at 10:25 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    Normal people don’t run silly. We eat DDs and drink fine bourbon.

  22. 22 James said at 12:55 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    God I hope Barnett is an absolute beast for us this year. It;s going to make Douglas and Mills look so much better when they get the starting nod. I’m starting not to worry so much about RB, with the way our OL looks right now, add to the fact that our passing game should be a big boost. Need a couple players on O and D to breakout this season to be a playoff team.

  23. 23 Media Mike said at 7:30 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    I’m not going to be demanding of production from Barnett (or Douglas or Jones) until 2018. DE and CB take a little while to learn on an NFL level. That’s what rookie years are for.

    All venom on pass rush, or lack there of, will be 100% directed to Vinny Curry. Either he gets his lazy butt all the way to the QB to the tune of the 9 sacks he showed in 2015 (rather than playing with an empty sack last year) or the gets out of town with is bloated deal.

  24. 24 Tumtum said at 10:24 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    Totally agree. However, should Barnett be unable to get any snaps on game day all season long (like some others in their rookie year), I’ll be pretty sad.

  25. 25 Jernst said at 1:42 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    I really love the way Barnett explodes into the QB. He’s able to bend around the edge and when he’s a few yards away just launches himself into the QB, dead center mass shot.

  26. 26 Sean Stott said at 3:16 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    Over/Under # on Chris Long sacks?

  27. 27 Fufina said at 4:40 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    3.5 i would think is a fair number. He is a good scheme fit but will struggle to get on the field for ‘money downs’ and will have to try and get production on 1st and 2nd down as part of the 2nd unit.

  28. 28 Media Mike said at 7:26 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    Barwin had more than that, and I want at least what Barwin did.

  29. 29 xmbk said at 7:20 AM on May 7th, 2017:


  30. 30 Media Mike said at 7:26 AM on May 7th, 2017:


  31. 31 Tumtum said at 10:21 AM on May 7th, 2017:


  32. 32 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:35 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    Under…. Im hoping we stay healthy at DE so Longs snaps are limited to the point where we can’t realistically expect much more than 4 out of him. If he has to play a lot it means guys either got hurt or BG is the only DE producing
    Then again, if Cox/Jernigan can be as scary disruptive inside as I think they will be, and with BG Beasting on one side, the other DE should be getting a lot of 1 on 1 match ups, so I think it would be a massive failure if we don’t get a serious upgrade in production from our DE opposite of Graham, whether it’s one guy like VINNY or Barmett having a big year, or Long/Barmett/curry all having good years adding up to a big year at DE opposite BG

  33. 33 Media Mike said at 6:54 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    PHI QB rating – 79.2
    OPP QB rating – 85.7

    PHI TD passes – 16
    OPP TD passes – 25

    “Those are simple stats and lack context, but do show the problems.”

    You don’t need made up analytics to see what’s up in sports. Those stats are perfectly fine.

  34. 34 xmbk said at 7:20 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    I think the Brooks stats need more context. When he went out, Jenkins started playing down a lot, and Watkins came in. The dropoff at S mattered more than the dropoff at slot, imo. So Brooks could help, but keeping Jenkins back is more important.

  35. 35 Media Mike said at 7:23 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    Jaylin Watkins is brutally bad at safety. I like how Brooks (not that Brooks) was playing by season’s end.

  36. 36 A_T_G said at 7:39 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    That is the domino effect that Tommy mentioned. You could also include subtler effects such as when things start going wrong guys don’t trust the play design and try to do too much and end up out of position.

    But that IS the context. No one is saying Brooks was the wheel that carried all the weight, but when one wheel falls off the others still on the cart are less effective.

  37. 37 xmbk said at 8:22 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    Right, I was just emphasizing that any competent slot cb, not just Brooks, might serve the same purpose. Nothing against Brooks, but it seems like most of the guys in the mix are best in the slot: Robinson, Mills, Brooks. Mills is likely staying outside by default, but the other spot is Douglas’s to lose.

  38. 38 D3FB said at 8:43 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    I’d probably say it’s Mills and Robinson to start.

    Douglas has a nice skillset but he’s still really unrefined. I liked him but he was a guy that I said Year 1 was going to be really rough if he was going to have to play a ton.

  39. 39 xmbk said at 8:49 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    I agree he’s going to have a big learning curve. But all of Robinson’s success has been inside. If he does start the season outside, I predict we’ll be having a weekly “Is Douglas ready?” discussion. Which I suppose isn’t too different from a “Did Schwartz rush Douglas?”.

  40. 40 D3FB said at 8:57 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    If they play him they’re going to want to keep him out of off man. He pedals really really high and doesn’t break well out of it (because he’s damn near standing straight up).

    For me the best way you want to ease him in is in the dime (kick robinson inside). Find other ways to get him a few snaps situationally (following Brandon Marshall on third downs).

    If he’s playing well I’d let him start week 6 aginst the Panthers and their army of Ents at WR. But in general if he plays more than a two or three hundred snaps this year it’s not gonna be great.

  41. 41 xmbk said at 9:23 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    Their ent army has McCaffrey and Samuel this year.

    Is there any other potential CB outcome for this year, other than not gonna be great?

    I agree that Robinson is likely to start there, I shouldn’t have said it’s Douglas’s to lose. But the sooner they can justify getting him in, the better it’ll be. Hopefully he’s a quick learner, with thick skin.

  42. 42 xmbk said at 9:28 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    They can focus on press man and zone when he’s in, assuming he can handle press. But Schwartz does not like to let players limit his D, so he’ll have to adjust quickly. As you say though, there are some basic fundamentals that can make a big difference. Luckily his bad habits are not ingrained from years of playing it wrong.

  43. 43 A_T_G said at 9:39 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    Isn’t press man the spot he need the most practice? I thought he played mostly off or zone in college?

  44. 44 xmbk said at 9:48 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    His strength is zone. But given his physical attributes, he should be able to handle press. On the other hand, he clearly has great instincts off the ball. Odds are he needs a year, but we’ll find out by August. Be great if he was an exception, team probably needs him to outperform more than any other rookie.

  45. 45 Tumtum said at 10:19 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    Not so sure Mills can play the slot. His change of direction ability seems to be a weaker part of his game.

  46. 46 wee2424 said at 10:39 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    Ehh, I don’t see that. Is he amazingly quick? No, but I do not think he is lacking in that department.

    Remember that he was a 1st year CB. The mental side will get better therefore his movements and positioning will as well.

    It’s just the long speed that is severely lacking.

  47. 47 Tumtum said at 2:02 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    See I felt he did much better vs long speed guys than short burst guys.

    Not pretending to be right. Just what I feel like I see.

  48. 48 xmbk said at 10:57 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    You may be right. For his sake, I hope he can.

  49. 49 FairOaks said at 10:07 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    There is also the context that he only played one more game than Lane Johnson played at the start of the year… and in that one extra game, Eagles gave up 260 yards passing (two TDs) and 230 yards rushing.

  50. 50 Dave said at 7:44 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    The other issue after Brooks went down with the injury is that opponent’s knew the Eagles CBs glaring weaknesses and attacked them.

    Carroll was good in coverage but lacked any ball awareness. Teams could just throw the ball into tight coverage because Carroll never turned his head around to locate the football.

    McKelvin and Mills bit in everything underneath and McLoud was late coming over the top countless times.

    Mills was sssslllllloooooooowwwwwwwww!

  51. 51 D3FB said at 8:19 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    The good news is Wentz will be able to finally win some game winning drives this year. They’ve got enough vertical firepower that he won’t have to throw slants and 8 yard outs exclusively on late game drives (and throws like the one at Detroit have Alshon to go get it or at least cause an incompletion).

    The bad news is this backfield isn’t exactly built to grind out a 4 minute offense, and the CBs aren’t exactly going to shut shit down late. So he’s probably going to have to more often than not.

  52. 52 Media Mike said at 8:25 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    The other element of Wentz that is somewhat lost in the shuffle is that he’s getting a full off-season (Jan through Sept) of full health and all of the reps / attention as the starter. I think that’ll be huge.

  53. 53 xmbk said at 8:44 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    Hey, I’m penciling in Douglas for a game sealing pick/fumble. So that’s a +1 net for the CB. Throw in a big sack or two for the DL, 2-3 more game winning drives, it adds up.


  54. 54 D3FB said at 8:49 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    If McKelvin can why not Douglas

  55. 55 A_T_G said at 9:42 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    So you are saying our ideal position will be down by four with two minutes left? Sound relaxing…

  56. 56 Corry said at 10:47 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    I should probably ask my doctor to up my blood pressure meds….

  57. 57 Tumtum said at 10:15 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    Ryan Matthews can run that 4 min offense.

  58. 58 D3FB said at 10:24 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    Ryan Mathews ain’t gonna be here.

  59. 59 Rellihcs said at 1:42 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    Saw your posts from the last article about Ryan Mathews. – it seems like you missed the reports – he’s super injured – like very well may not play NFL football. For anyone. At any point in the future. It’s not about $, he’s 100% gone off of the team next year. They are just waiting to cut him because he needs to be healthy enough so that they can avoid an injury settlement (I think that’s it? Or they would be dicks to cut him without using their medical staff since he’s hurt so bad? Something along those lines).

    But your plea’s/arguments to keep him are missing the above info – not even a conversation at this point.

  60. 60 Tumtum said at 1:54 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    I knew we were waiting until he was healtht enough to cut. He is hurt that bad?? I dont even remeber what it was because he didnt go down on the field.

    Nate illaoa available?

  61. 61 Rellihcs said at 2:02 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    That’s my understanding. I could be wrong.

  62. 62 FairOaks said at 2:08 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    Herniated disc in neck, if memory serves. I think Pederson called it a “pretty major deal” at the time or something like that.

  63. 63 ChoTime said at 2:22 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    I didn’t actually know that he was that badly injured either until recently.

  64. 64 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:09 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    Shit I’d be thrilled just to have Chris Polk right about now, even Kenjon Barner.
    Didn’t they say Ryan Mathews is already back to training with the team, or has he just been limited to the weight room program?

  65. 65 Tumtum said at 4:23 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    I’ve been way too busy lately to look anywhere but here. I rely soley on Tommy and all he says is that RM is getting cut as soon as he is healthy. I thought it was more due to money, but seems like its more health.

  66. 66 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:35 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    Yeah that’s been a consensus assumption but I didn’t know if that still held true after the way the draft played out at RB, allong with Sproles being the only other RB we have that could be trusted to pick up the blitz and protect Wentz if we had to play this up coming sunday. Hopefully a kid like smallwood makes massive improvements in his pass protection this summer, but i would feel a lot better if they waited to cut Mathews until we are sure someone other than Sproles can be trusted to pass protect for our Golden Boy week 1, not someone who might be good at it by week 8. Carson is too important.
    Of course there is also a real possibility that they think Mathews body is shot and that he won’t get thru 6 games for us, in which case retaining him isnt even an option which is certainly possible considering he was never durable even before this serious injury. As a human being, considering the seriousness of his injury, his history of durability issues and the fact that he is so big and explosive that it generates violent collissions, I hope he at least gives some thought to walking away from the sport all together. His running style might be too violent to even risk further trauma to a neck

  67. 67 John Luck Pickerd said at 12:03 AM on May 8th, 2017:

    I know Reno Mahe is!

  68. 68 ChoTime said at 2:21 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    That’s good, because according to the stats, he’s basically Alex Smith at this point.

  69. 69 tomw said at 8:47 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    The nagging question is, do Curry and Cox show up this year to play, or will they just fat cat on the big money they made. A great pass rush makes the CB’s job a lot easier.

  70. 70 Dragon_Eagle said at 8:54 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    Am I the only one who is reminded of Trent Cole when watching Barnett? Great shoulder dip, fast, quick reflexes…

  71. 71 myartz04 said at 9:19 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    Remember Trent Cole against the Falcons…??

  72. 72 Tumtum said at 10:14 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    Is it bad that I’m really not excited by Barnett? Sure I know nothing about him I haven’t read here or seen linked here. It really doesn’t have anything to do with him.

    In a long list of first round DE picks since I have been a conscious Eagles fan I think BGs 6 sack season last year is by far the best we have gotten. Vinny had the one good year or 2nd/3rd round picks at the position would be really bad too…hell I guess they still are.

    Starting with Jon Harris and ending with Marcus Smith. The only guys that have even been remotely useful have been Bg and Vinny though… so maybe we are just slowly improving our ability to pick DE over the last 20 years.

  73. 73 FairOaks said at 10:40 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    Mike Mamula was just two years before Harris. While not worth what we gave up for him, he had 5.5, 8, 4, 8.5, and 5.5 sacks his five years in the league (and lots more hurries 😉 ). Before him, the Eagles had drafted just one first-round DE in the previous 25 years. Since then… yes, Harris was an all-time awful pick, McDougle had constant injuries (and then got shot), then Graham (who also had a bad injury his rookie year, then had to learn a 3-4 for a few years), then MSII. So yes, not a great list, but we haven’t tried all *that* often.

  74. 74 Tumtum said at 2:01 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    Then there are the 2nd and 3rd rounders. Brian Smith, Victor Abiamiris of the world.

    Sorry for being a debby downer just hard to get excited!

  75. 75 ChoTime said at 12:34 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    Don’t be fooled by randomness, my friend. There is a strong element of chance in draft picks. Marcus Smith has very little to do with Barnett.

  76. 76 Tumtum said at 1:57 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    Marcus Smith is only one name. Believe me, I don’t think any past pick has any bearing on the success or failure of any future pick. I’m just accustomed to being let down by a high pick from that position.

  77. 77 ChoTime said at 2:18 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    I hear you. It feels like the Eagles have blown first round pick after first round pick, whether from firefighting to being shot in the stomach to just pure bust.

  78. 78 Rellihcs said at 5:37 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    That still doesn’t refute Cho’s point – there is no logical correlation nor connection between Barnett and any other DE the Eagles have ever drafted in terms of what player he will be for the Eagles. That’s just fact.

    We can find similarities galore, make comparisons… but he’s a different person, picked by mostly different front office people, in a different scheme with different coaches. Nothing can change that.

  79. 79 Tumtum said at 7:17 PM on May 7th, 2017:


    Doesn’t make me less worried.

  80. 80 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:07 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    No one can be excited about our history with first round DE’s, but we can’t hold that against a new front office especially if Howie allowed andy/Joe to implement a new system for evaluating draft prospects. I would be much more worried if Joe/Andy were telling Roseman to draft Charles Harris but howie decided to over ride them and take Barnett any way, and I haven’t seen anything that would make me think that was the case. Hopefully our new front office proves to be a much better judge of round 1 DE Talent then what we are used to seeing.
    We,failed miserably for years at evaluating safeties, but eventually they got it right and found a really talented safety tandem in Jenkins/Mcleod that I expect to improve and be lights out this year after having 16 games to get accustomed to playing together in schwartz defense. Sooner or later even by blind luck they will end up striking gold at DE, hopefully Barnett will prove to be that guy
    As bad as our round 1 DE history has been, it’s easily one of the more Important and most highly valued positions in football, that we can’t get around the need to signifcantly improve our starting DE production if we are ever going to become legit contenders.
    Personally I got a lot more excited about Barnett’s tape when I found out how young he was for such a productive Player who has experience facing some of the higher rated Young OTs to enter the NFL the last couple of years. Hopefully this kid proves to be a Homerun. Not many people were excited about signing Malcolm Jenkins after years of failing miserably at evaluating safeties. Hopefully Barnett ends up truly validating his high draft investment eventually growing into a guy we can Consistently count on for double digit sacks for years to come

  81. 81 Tumtum said at 5:14 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    I see your point. There is always hope. Lets hope they don’t have to end up finding mercenary DE like they did safeties.

  82. 82 Gian GEAGLE said at 12:59 PM on May 8th, 2017:

    Cheers to that

  83. 83 laeagle said at 2:29 AM on May 8th, 2017:

    Nothing to do with Barnett specifically, but I fail to see how you can draw any connective line between draft picks at a position that have spanned multiple coaching staffs and management over the course of almost 30 years. Ray Rhode’s draft luck had nothing to do with Andy Reid’s had nothing to do with Chip’s, has nothing to do with Pederson’s. That’s not even counting the multiple GMs and personnel departments.

    It’s fun to look at those things as a fan but utterly useless to do anything more than that. The fact that we drafted Jon Harris 25 years ago has about as much bearing on the success of Derek Barnett in the NFL as moons passing through Uranus does on how a person’s love life will work out in a given week.

  84. 84 Tumtum said at 9:05 PM on May 8th, 2017:

    There is no bearing. I just feel like there is. The irrational non-logic of fandom.

    Unfortunately tones doesnt convey well to text because everyone seemed to read this a little more litterally than i meant it…even if I am less than excited.

  85. 85 wee2424 said at 10:27 AM on May 7th, 2017:

    Yes. Good against run and pass. Low center of gravity.

  86. 86 RC5000 said at 2:29 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    That’s what I told my buddy his upside comp was to me a long time ago. . But I didn’t really want him until red flag guys fell by the wayside.

  87. 87 Ankerstjernen said at 2:43 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    No, I’ve been thinking the same thing and it has been mentioned. Cole too was considered undersized for the position, but played with underrated bend, motor and technique and consistently beat the best LTs around the edge.

  88. 88 SteveH said at 8:30 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    A little, but he looks thicker than Cole especially when Cole first came into the league.

    His build sort of reminds me of Brandon Graham actually. Kind of stocky and thick for a DE.

  89. 89 kajomo said at 12:45 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    The more I watch pumhrey the more he reminds me of Devonta Freeman. He still needs to add weight, but they are similar height. The both run more aggressively than most backs their size, while having the speed to gain chunk plus in both the running and passing game.

    We need our Tevin Coleman (who may be available for trade next offseason if they re-sign freeman), but I feel better that he can be a productive part of a rotation.

  90. 90 xmbk said at 1:45 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    20% difference in body weight. Literally an arm and a leg, more than the difference between Freeman and Fournette.

  91. 91 kajomo said at 6:19 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    It doesn’t change the fact that their play style is similar. I don’t think Pumphrey will ever get to 205-210lbs. I think he can play at a similar level if he can get to 195lbs.

  92. 92 xmbk said at 9:00 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    That would amaze me if he could do that. But it’s the time of year for believing in football miracles. 😉

  93. 93 ChoTime said at 11:34 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    Bad teams get great draft picks, but usually remain bad. The draft is mostly about hope!

  94. 94 BobSmith77 said at 8:58 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    He can wear a chain mail flak jacket to add some weight.

  95. 95 Fufina said at 2:13 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    Cannon got $45,000 as a signing bonus as a UDFA (the average is like $5,000 for UFDAs) and they cut him after two days of running in shorts? https://t.co/VXv3PFoU6A— Trevor Sikkema (@TampaBayTre) May 7, 2017

    What??? What the hell do you need to do as the top UDFA to get cut 2 days into rookie camp.

  96. 96 ChoTime said at 2:20 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    Probably be lazy or insubordinate?

  97. 97 phillychuck said at 5:25 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    Rumor is he was lazy at the first few practices.

  98. 98 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 4:56 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    Wearing the wrong color shorts?

  99. 99 A_T_G said at 6:22 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    On the other hand, that might explain the whole UDFA thing.

    A top UDFA target is still only the best guy after the more desirable 250 guys are spoken for.

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  101. 101 BlindChow said at 6:46 AM on May 8th, 2017:

    This would have made a lot more sense if Chip were still there.

  102. 102 ChoTime said at 2:18 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    OT: Interesting, good teams use smoothies, too. The Spurs have been drinking them for 3 years, wonder if it was just part of the Zeitgeist. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/presents19295594/nba-playoffs-2017-san-antonio-spurs-made-100-percent-juice

  103. 103 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:44 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    I liked the physicality Brooks was providing in the slot last year before he got hurt and he also is a productive special team contribtor so I have no issues with him making the roster again this year. hopefully his health allows him to contribute a lot more than he did last year.
    if Rasul/Sidney prove to be our outside corners during the Wentz era, Mills is fully capable of moving into the slot. It would drastically accelerate our rebuild if Rasul/Sidney/Mills grow into our long term starting CB trio. LongTerm im reasonably optimistic about the future of those 3 young corners, but short term it’s very alarming to be going into this season with Mills and possibly Patrick Robinson as the only players that have any outside cornerback experience at the NFL level
    Anyone have a good grasp on exactly what we should expect to be getting out of Patrick Robinson? How much worse is Patrick than Nolan Carroll? it would be great if he can add some value to our secondary this summer, but i worry that he will prove to be nothing more than a cornerback version of Miles Austin/Reuban Randle. I was really hoping to see the Eagles trade for a corner during the draft, now that it hasn’t happened Im really starting to worry about how we are going to manage at cornerback this season. At least we actually have legit established NFL Wrs like Alshon Jeffrey to challenge all our young corners this summer which should help grow our young corners and seeing your corners battle against Alshon has to be a much better way of evaluating what you have at CB compared to seeing your corners up against Agholar or DGB
    hard not to worry about what the 2017 Eagles corners will look like

  104. 104 truehaynes said at 8:16 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    I don’t think mills deserves to be in the cfl

  105. 105 bushisamoron said at 3:37 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    Douglas is not done. Players need to be released, cap needs to increase and cap casualties at CB need to be worked out and signed. Our CB room is sorely lacking.

  106. 106 Ryan Rambo said at 8:02 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    Did he post up a Closed sign somewhere??

  107. 107 Dave said at 8:46 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    I just pulled up the combine on my DVR. While Barnett was running his 40 Mayock and Eisen repeated several times that he is pretty sick. Eisen said he couldn’t keep fluids down 24 hours ago and Mayock said he was underweight because of that.

  108. 108 ColorSgt said at 8:54 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    Nice follow up. I know people were saying he was too light. If they were going by his combine numbers that would explain it. My thought is he can add weight anyway if needed. He’s only 20.

  109. 109 A_T_G said at 9:59 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    If he can add 10 lbs of muscle he will be up to Pumpfrey’s weight.

  110. 110 ColorSgt said at 10:39 PM on May 7th, 2017:


  111. 111 Insomniac said at 11:32 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    Lets be real here. He ran slower at his pro day and then cited a strained hammy. He’s not fast/explosive and stop trying to think he is.


  112. 112 Mitchell said at 1:16 AM on May 8th, 2017:

    You know who is really familiar with strained hammy’s? Lattimore.

  113. 113 Media Mike said at 5:33 AM on May 8th, 2017:

    And you know who was / will be a better player than Lattimore; Sidney Jones.

  114. 114 xmbk said at 5:46 AM on May 8th, 2017:

    If he were elite explosive, he never would have made it to 14.

  115. 115 Fufina said at 8:00 AM on May 8th, 2017:

    He does not look to be a ~4.9 player on tape. You seem him sometimes dropping in coverage and showing good long speed for a DE.

    Having said that how ill are you if you can put up an elite 3 cone drill time at the combine? And how can you be explosive enough to have elite change of direction speed but not be able to perform in other explosiveness metrics. His athletic testing numbers are really strange and i think you almost have to throw them out and just go from the tape.

    On the tape he is incredibly fluid and smooth, but does not have elite ‘twitch’. He is just a different kind of athlete to some of the instant acceleration freaks people tend to identity as ‘elite’ athletes.

  116. 116 Insomniac said at 2:06 PM on May 8th, 2017:

    If DGB had more than 40 brain cells he would be our #1 WR. “If”.

  117. 117 Dave said at 9:15 AM on May 8th, 2017:

    So you know for a fact that he did not strain his hammy? If so, provide some proof, otherwise, you’re not being real.

  118. 118 Insomniac said at 2:06 PM on May 8th, 2017:

    Would a decent agent let his own client ruin himself?

  119. 119 BobSmith77 said at 8:56 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    If the Eagles had gotten 2 CBs in the draft who could possibly start in Week 1 or were likely to start by mid-season, I’d agree but they didn’t.

    As for Brooks being the demise of the passing defense, it strikes me as a ‘correlation does not equal causation’ effect. It certainly didn’t help but their ability to get to the QB certainly played a factor as well as teams (mostly notably in the Packers’ game) making adjustments which Schwartz wasn’t able to successfully counter.

  120. 120 ColorSgt said at 8:59 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    Pulling Jenkins into the slot hurt them with what they could do. Having him remain at Safety will already put them ahead of where they were last year.

  121. 121 BobSmith77 said at 11:59 PM on May 7th, 2017:

    Yeah to start but that was due to injury and they are really thin at CB right now.

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  124. 124 Media Mike said at 5:32 AM on May 8th, 2017:

    This time of year has devolved into the worst time on the sports calendar. The Phillies are still a mess of frequently poor fundamental play and needlessly long timetables on calling up the next generation of superstars, the Flyers and Sixers are done (making NHL / NBA DEAD to me other than drafts), and the Eagles really can’t do much of consequence. Club soccer season is winding down in Europe, the Union still suck, etc.

    I still really wish the NFL had an 8 team spring league with 60 man rosters comprised of 15 practice squad eligible players from each team that were coached and controlled directly by the league office. I could totally find the Eagles next superstars patrolling that field.

  125. 125 Daz said at 6:43 AM on May 8th, 2017:

    Mike, get on board with AFL (Aussie rules football). The AFL and NFL seasons line up brilliantly, I think there’s about six weekends in the year with no footy! 😉

  126. 126 daveH said at 7:04 AM on May 8th, 2017:

    MotoGP and World Superbike. ..

  127. 127 eagleyankfan said at 8:11 AM on May 8th, 2017:

    not all baseball is bad right now 🙂

  128. 128 greenblood0118 said at 6:21 AM on May 8th, 2017:

    And God said: “Randall, go forth…and um…be fruitful, and multiply…”
    Randall: “Aww yeah!”