This Year

Posted: October 30th, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 233 Comments »

Back in 1994 the Eagles got off to a 7-2 start and looked like the best team in the NFL. They had dominated the Niners in SF, winning 40-8. That is still one of the best regular season wins in team history. The Eagles had won shootouts. They had won defensive struggles. They could seemingly do it all.

Veteran QB Randall Cunningham was healthy and getting the ball to Fred Barnett. Herschel Walker and Charlie Garner were a heck of a 1-2 punch at RB. Andy Harmon and William Fuller were studs on the DL. Bill Romanowski, Byron Evans and William Thomas were arguably the best LB corps in the league. And some guy named Eric Allen was still a shutdown corner.

As much as I loved that 7-2 start, it was a bit of a mirage. Coach Rich Kotite and Cunningham didn’t see eye to eye and weren’t on the same page. The O-line was up and down. Depth was an issue all over. Byron Evans got hurt in Week 10 and the Eagles never won a game without him. They finished 7-9. Garner got banged up and missed time down the stretch.

While the team had a lot of interesting characters, it didn’t have good character overall. The Eagles were a team in transition. Gang Green was all but gone and there was a wave of new faces on the team. Trying to get instant chemistry was challenging. Things were great when the team was playing well and winning, but that didn’t last when adversity came calling.

The team had enough talent to stay competitive, but they could not win. It still blows my mind that a 7-2 team finished 7-9. That just doesn’t seem possible.

The current Eagles are off to a 7-1 start. Is there any chance this is a mirage?

I really don’t think so. This team is very different from the 1994 bunch in a lot of ways. The two things that stand out are the head coach and the QB. Kotite had issues with his players for years. Pederson is tight with his team and has done a great job of getting everyone to buy in and play as one.

As for the QBs, Cunningham was somewhat of a head case by this point. He had gotten hurt or benched for each of the past three seasons. He got benched in ’94. He threw 16 TDs for the entire season (14 starts). Carson Wentz already has 19 TDs in just eight starts. He is the unquestioned leader of the Eagles and has a great relationship with Pederson.

I think what this team is doing is sustainable.

There have been a ton of injuries this year, but this team has overcome each one of them so far. There have been road games and short weeks. The team has handled all of that with no issues. There is no reason to think this team has peaked.

I bring all of this up because the Eagles have to ask some tough questions in the next day or two. Does the front office believe this is truly a Super Bowl contender? If so, how aggressive are they willing to be in regard to trades?

The Eagles 7-1 record is the best in the league, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they are the best team right now or that they will be in the Super Bowl. At the beginning of the season, I thought the Eagles were a year away from being serious contenders. Clearly the Eagles are ahead of the schedule that I expected. What does management think?

Glazer is one of the most connected media guys in the league. If he says it, you can basically take it to the bank.

The Eagles tried to deal for WR help last year, but couldn’t work anything out. That team was middle of the pack. Howie Roseman loves to wheel and deal so it makes sense that he will work the phones. At the same time, he is going to be a smart shopper.

The Eagles have a second year QB at the heart of the franchise. As much as they want to win this year, they also have to keep an eye on the future. Trading away a 7th round pick for a veteran for half a season might make some sense. At the same time, Jalen Mills was a 7th round pick. You have to  be careful what you do with your resources, even those that don’t seem crucial. With Wentz at QB, the Eagles should be contenders for a while.

I do think the Eagles need OT help. I don’t mean a starting LT. I’m talking about depth. If anything happened to Big V or Lane Johnson, Isaac Seumalo would replace them. That’s a scary thought right now. Seumalo isn’t playing with a lot of confidence and is erratic. I don’t like him on the field as a jumbo TE. I would be nervous as heck about him at OT.

LB is trickier. The Eagles are set in the Nickel with Nigel Bradham and Mychal Kendricks. Joe Walker plays MLB in the base sets. Walker has not been impressive. He’s not a mess, but just isn’t doing much. The Eagles could put Najee Goode in at MLB in base sets. I think they are hoping that Walker will improve as he plays more, which is possible. I would love to add a veteran MLB if the situation was right.

RB is the other position where you wonder about a move. The Eagles are okay there, but could be better. Losing Darren Sproles definitely hurt. Wendell Smallwood has been banged up this year and didn’t play much on Sunday. If he’s healthy, you probably don’t need to make a move, but the Eagles need someone to get regular carries besides LeGarrette Blount. You need some speed to mix with his power.

One of the issues with making a move at RB is…what do you do with the current guys? I don’t mean to overrate them as players, but there is good chemistry with the group. They don’t complain about touches or snaps. If you bring in a proven veteran, you need a good plan for what happens with the RBs on the roster and how the group is used in games.

I’m sure Howie will be making a ton of calls. He will want to know who is available and what his options are. If he can improve this team and the price is right, expect him to make a move. The price has to be right, though.

Don’t expect this to be a big deal for a star player. The NFL doesn’t work like that.


It is a shame the trade deadline is in October. It would be great if it was closer to Thanksgiving, so teams could have a longer look at their own players. That would let some know they needed to make trades to add talent and others to make trades because they are no longer contending or a young guy has taken a job and made a veteran expendable.


233 Comments on “This Year”

  1. 1 Greg Tulino said at 1:47 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    Matt Forte or Jeremy Hill may make some sense at RB. I read that TY Hilton might be available from Indy? If that is true and we could have him as our #1 making AJ #2 ( cutting Torrey Smith or Marcus Johnson) I would give up a 1st and a 4th next year to “go for it” all this year and try to win the super bowl. Other than that crazy blockbuster I would just like to see us get a MLB or OT as depth so that we are covered in case more injuries at OT or LB.

  2. 2 CrackSammich said at 2:40 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    Anyone you bring on now is taking money out of the mouth of the youngins on our team we would like to pay. I’d say even more important than the resources you give up to get these players is the cap hit.

    Cap number for Hill is $1.1mil. I’d be for it just because he’s still on the cheap rookie contract. Another name that was rumored is Carlos Hyde, and I imagine he’s no less available this week after another loss. His cap number is also $1.1mil. I’m not sure Hill is better than Smallwood, but Hyde is. Both are on the final years of their contracts.

    Forte is 33 and carries a $5mil cap this year and $4mil next year. Absolutely not.

    The only way I would be interested in TY Hilton is if he became the WR1 of the future. He already got his big contract and has a $10mil cap hit this year. You get one year out of him (more likely a quarter) and Alshon, and then he’s your guy through 2020 with cap hits of $13-15mil. If that’s what you want and it’s worth the cost, sure, go ahead. We will always need a WR1, so if he’s it, why not. They’re going to want something nice for that trade though, and it’s not a late rounder.

  3. 3 bubqr said at 4:50 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    I would absolutely NOT give up that much!

    In any given year, the best team in the league has what, a 25, 30% chance to win the SB, at the very best? Mortgaging your future to get an extra 5% is not worth it.
    This isn’t the NBA, where with 7 game series in the playoffs the best team wins most of the time: between injuries, one-game playoffs, lucky bounces, refereeing, anything can happen in the NFL. The best way to build a team is not to go all-in during one year, but to build a team that can contend during multiple years, hoping to get through during one of them. Therefore, keeping most of your picks, drafting cost-controlled rookies is often the way to go.
    The only caveat to this is when you try to capitalize on your franchise QB being on a cheap rookie deal to surround him with a good team, which the Eagles can do for 2/3 more years (and are doing to some extent).

  4. 4 kajomo said at 8:21 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    No way. We don’t have the cap room to keep everyone as it is. I wouldn’t trade away valueable resources for 1 year. Especially not a 1st. Those picks are for cornerstone players Carson is in year 2. Are window is the next 10 years. I’m not sacrificing that window for a “Shot” this year.

  5. 5 xeynon said at 2:45 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    No way.

    There is way too much variance in the NFL to go all in on one season. One injury, one bad bounce, one big play that doesn’t go our way in a close playoff game, and we’re out of the playoffs and facing an offseason with no chance to add young talent to the roster and continue building.

    No, no, no.

  6. 6 BrettConnolly said at 2:36 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    I met Randall Cunningham at a Benihana’s in the week following the 40-8 win over the niners. I was twelve years old, and he was my idol. I walked up to him and asked for his autograph. Then I slyly said to him, I guess they should rename them the 40 to 8ers… he kinda smirked and signed my paper, and I remember thinking, damn that sounded way dumber out loud than in my head…

  7. 7 TO BLACKS said at 7:55 PM on October 30th, 2017:


  8. 8 laeagle said at 3:35 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    What’s going to be fun to watch is Howie making a move for the unexpected guy that no one thought of. I don’t think Ronald Darby was on anyone’s radar for a trade until that went down. If something happens, it’s going to be sneaky, unexpected move, not a splashy big name that everyone knows.

  9. 9 A_T_G said at 7:26 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    Unless the splashy big name IS the unexpected move now…

  10. 10 SteveH said at 11:21 AM on October 31st, 2017:

    This definitely qualifies as the unexpected guy!

  11. 11 hrtak said at 4:56 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    Vinny Curry just had his best game. But he isnt anything special + we have Barnett and Chris Long (and Means). There has to be another team in need of DE help, with dependable good (not great, not bad) OT at same kind of contract as Curry has. Also I would love to see that Calvin Johnson (for Torrey + 6/7th rd pick) rumor to be true.

  12. 12 truehaynes said at 8:31 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    No way I want to trade curry. Dude is a beast at run Down and the depth on the d line has been huge for our defensive success.

  13. 13 A_T_G said at 9:08 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    I’d only be willing to trade hurry for a young OT that can contain Curry, and those guys are not available.

  14. 14 Guy Media said at 5:08 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    I’ll still believe a trade of consequence when I see it. I don’t doubt Howie is burning up the phones looking for a deal/steal, but we’ll see what happens.

  15. 15 Dave said at 8:09 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    Trades sounds great but for most positions, they seem to be ineffective during the season.

    Mack Hollins seemed to run the wrong pattern yesterday that lead to an easy interception.

    I’m not sure how easy it is for offensive lineman to learn the playbook and get on the same page with their linemates in a few weeks.

    I could see RB being an easier to pickup a limited playbook.

    On defense, it seems Schwartz runs a simple enough defense that a trade for a LB could be a possibility.

  16. 16 kajomo said at 8:18 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    I doubt we bring anyone on to be an immediate starter. I think we bring them in as Depth. A back up OT in case Lane or Vaitai gets injured. A WR or RBwho can be slowly added to the mix with a handful of plays. You never know when you are going to need your Depth. Look at the 49ers and skins OLs situations.

    This is the last chance to get someone with more talent than the guys sitting on the street right now/other teams’ practice squads.

  17. 17 Stephen E. said at 10:15 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    Mac is a rookie at a skill position. That’s not the same as getting a veteran OT used to a pro offense and plugging him in.

  18. 18 Mac said at 10:48 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    The only trade of any significance that I can recall was Will Witherspoon.

  19. 19 Insomniac said at 5:09 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    I highly doubt Howie will make a flashy trade unless he swindles the other team. I’m guessing he’s going to try to get a great deal for a veteran or younger underachievers near their end of their deals. I’m sure Joe Douglas has been digging up notes on guys and Howie is relaying them to everyone else.

  20. 20 Guy Media said at 5:19 AM on October 30th, 2017:


  21. 21 Insomniac said at 5:35 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    In my long 10 minutes of grinding up coffee beans and waiting for water to boil, this trade made the most sense to me. Beau Allen for John Brown straight up. Both guys are on one year deals and probably unlikely to resign with their own teams. They get a solid DT that has played in both a 3-4/4-3 but in limited snaps. We roll the dice on a underachieving deep threat that was once a promising WR. If he performs then he replaces Smith on a more team friendly deal. If not then we didn’t really lose anything since we’re pretty deep at DT.

  22. 22 Guy Media said at 5:39 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    John Brown is only medically cleared to steal money from me in fantasy, not play actual football for a full season. He’s far too ill for any type of investment other than a really cheap “prove it” type deal as a FA. If I’m going to trade Allen because I like my other 4 DTs, I can try to get a depth LB back.

  23. 23 Someguy77 said at 12:52 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Yeah. The last thing the Eagles arguably need is another WR. Don’t understand why fans are so fixated on it.

    LB or RB are much bigger needs. Even a backup T.

  24. 24 Insomniac said at 4:24 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    RB is not a need, it’s a luxury.

  25. 25 Someguy77 said at 4:39 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Disagree with how Smallwood has played and his health status.

    Clement/Barner are just fill-ins and ideally wouldn’t be getting regular carries on a weekly basis.

  26. 26 kajomo said at 8:14 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    How about Jaron Brown? Same team, same position, probably easier to re-sign if we want to next offseason

  27. 27 Insomniac said at 4:25 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Anyone with higher upside than Smith/Johnson would be ok for me.

  28. 28 Frencheaglesfan said at 7:23 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    This game was really boring. And I kind of mean that in a positive way. With the risk of this being a “trap game” and the weather conditions, they have decided to play with low risk plays and true discipline. Just look at how they cutdown the penalties in this game. If you take away the interception everyting was mistake free, even wentz taking the sacks instead of trying to make something happen. As a fan it was a bittersweet victory cause it was unspectacular but the gameplan was perfect.

    Some miscues in this game:
    – We talk a lot about DLine depht and the backups stepping up to keep the starters fresh but what about the WRs and TEs. Way to go Burton and Hollins.
    – I am no expert but it looked like the Oline has had for some weeks trouble picking up blitzes compared to being near perfect in the beginning. It is a bit scarry with Denver DLine coming to town.
    – I love that on an “off-day” Wentz was still the leader of this offense and was moving the chains when it matters. Kuddos to Jeffery though cause the pass was not really on target.
    – I think the rest of our schedule is really tough, we are going to deal with some adversity.

  29. 29 A_T_G said at 7:44 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    Tyler was discussing his idea on Twitter last night that brining extra guys in tight to help with protection might actually be making it harder to diagnose who is blitzing.

    When you have 5 OL and 3 TEs in front of Wentz, they can put 9 guys in the box and it is impossible to tell which 6 are blitzing.

  30. 30 A_T_G said at 7:37 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    Remember, there was discussion that Howie might be loading up for the Comp Pick Sweepstakes in the coming off season. If he can add a guy for a 6th or 7th rounder who can contribute this year and then either resign or bring a comp pick in 2019 it might make the math work out.

  31. 31 Ark87 said at 7:56 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    Definitely have concerns about our O-line. We must get that run game going and we must protect the franchise. If there is a trade it has to be an O-lineman.

    Hoping that was just a desperate winless team with a talented D-line that just wanted it more, and our guys were just off. Otherwise we’re in for a long day against Denver. Luckily the same dynamic should be there with our defense though. Add Darby back and beat up their offense twice as hard as they beat up ours and we can pull out a win.

  32. 32 A_T_G said at 8:05 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    Maybe a WR to NE for a RB?

  33. 33 Tdoteaglefan said at 8:53 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    Been hearing for a couple of months that Dion lewis is on the trading block

  34. 34 A_T_G said at 9:06 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    As long as we disable the fire alarms, I am on board.

  35. 35 Stephen E. said at 10:18 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    I wouldn’t do it unless he’s good at picking up blitzes. Just being a poor man’s Sproles is not worth unloading picks or players.

  36. 36 Ray888 said at 10:23 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    Good reference; was it Lake Placid? Lewis seems to be this year’s Blount for NE, in the sense that he is a mainstay in the offense. So I doubt if he is available this year. But next year, as in “the year after”, could be a possibility. BB seems to consider RB’s as replaceable parts not to be kept around too long.

  37. 37 CrackSammich said at 6:42 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Never take a NE RB.

  38. 38 CrackSammich said at 6:43 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    We don’t have any spare WRs anymore. Treggs got signed, they could have Ward for free if they wanted, and Matthews is gone.

  39. 39 A_T_G said at 7:07 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Johnson? Gibson?

  40. 40 kajomo said at 8:30 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    I think this article ties into Tommy’s very well. This team isn’t complacent and isn’t simply buying into their own hype.

    Johnson, though, was in no celebratory mood.

    “I feel like a loss right now,” he said. “Just the way that we performed in the first half is not the way that we wanted to execute.

    “I mean, I’m happy [we’re 7-1], I’m just disappointed. Anytime the offense doesn’t play the way we’re capable of, it feels like a loss for us.”

  41. 41 A_T_G said at 8:38 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    Reading about Mills and the secondary, there were two stories recently that tie into Tommy’s point about being special and similar to kajomo’s example with Johnson.

    A few weeks ago I read about the secondary’s loaf board. When the players watch the film, if they catch anyone loafing on a play they put them on the loaf board and tease them for the rest of the week. The meaningless touchdown that McLeod ran down and caused a fumble out of the end zone the other week was because he didn’t want to end up on the loaf board. Robinson did end up on the board because he didn’t get up an chase the guy. Mills was very proud of the fact that he hasn’t been on the board yet.

    Yesterday, Mills said he was going to go out of bounds on the return, until he remembered that Jenkins, Schwartz, and Undlin have been teasing him all week about his return skills after last week’s interception. That is why he cut it back, and that is why Jenkins was the first to congratulate him in the end zone.

  42. 42 Stephen E. said at 10:19 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    I saw Jeffery loafing on a play when the ball wasn’t going to him (think it was a TE screen). Maybe the WRs need a loaf board.

  43. 43 kajomo said at 11:35 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    We all want to win the SB, but no matter what happens this year, this is a really fun team to root for. The FO will have a lot of tough decisions to make this offseason because of how hard/well the entire team has played. We need to enjoy this season while it lasts

  44. 44 GermanEagle said at 8:52 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    NFL reviewing the play on which Fletcher Cox broke Joe Staley’s orbital bone for potential discipline and possible suspension, per source.

    It would be an absolute liberty if Cox was missing the Eagles / Cowboys game while Zeke was not…!

  45. 45 Anders said at 9:02 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    Cox has zero history. Suspension would be huge overreaction

  46. 46 GermanEagle said at 9:48 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    I am pretty sure the NFL won’t care about any potential non history. If he’d purposely poked him he should be suspended. And I am not sure if I’d still order his customised Eagles hat.

  47. 47 Sb2bowl said at 11:28 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    Looks like Staley was just lower than Cox and when Cox hit him, he hit him high. Doesn’t seem malicious, watched the replay a dozen times.

    Snipped this image, but the scorebox really takes away from the picture.

  48. 48 Someguy77 said at 12:49 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Agreed. Staley was bleeding all over the place on the sideline and any intentional act should be met with at least a 1-game suspension if not 2.

  49. 49 A_T_G said at 9:06 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    I don’t think liberty is the word you want in that context.

  50. 50 sonofdman said at 9:33 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    Maybe liberty is a bad word in Germany?

  51. 51 Bert's Bells said at 9:55 AM on October 30th, 2017:


  52. 52 GermanEagle said at 9:44 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    Never heard of the British expression “what a f*** liberty”?! 😉

  53. 53 or____ said at 10:02 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    No, not at all, and I would wager that more than 99.9% of Americans haven’t either. But I guess I see the irony there – to them liberty (from their unfair rule and taxation) FROM THEM was a bad thing/pain in the a** – ha.

  54. 54 Bert's Bells said at 10:33 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    Ironically the American colonists had more sway over King and Parliament (legally) than the citizens of say, Pennsylvania, do today.

  55. 55 or____ said at 10:34 AM on October 30th, 2017:


  56. 56 Stephen E. said at 10:21 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    I can’t even fathom how the word “liberty” works in this context.

  57. 57 A_T_G said at 11:55 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    I have not, but the conversation that followed made me laugh.

  58. 58 Crus57 said at 12:20 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    For the enlightenment of our transatlantic brethren, it usually means going beyond what’s reasonable, often when taking advantage of someone. For example if a friend comes over and you tell them to help themselves to a drink, and they open a bottle of expensive wine you’d been saving or finish off the last of your favourite beer, that would be a liberty.

  59. 59 A_T_G said at 12:41 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    I have heard it used in a similar context, but exclusively as taking liberties – taking liberties with the rules – never as a noun. Thanks.

  60. 60 mtn_green said at 9:39 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    This eagles seems more like 27-2 foles lead eagles.
    Curious why this is different. Are teams gonna figure out wentz, like they figured out foles and Vick?

  61. 61 Donald Kalinowski said at 9:49 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    I don’t know why Foles regressed as much as he did. He had really good pocket awareness and timing during that year. One issue with the Kelly offense was that QBs weren’t calling plays and the offense became too predictable. Sean Lee was killing the offense by himself.

    Vick was getting injured too much. I still think his 2011-12 season was decent but was derailed too much with injuries.

  62. 62 mtn_green said at 10:09 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    But then foles sucked on rams too.

  63. 63 Dragon_Eagle said at 9:25 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Yes but, Jeff Fisher could’ve ruined Joe Montana’s career.

  64. 64 Mac said at 10:50 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    Sometimes a QB makes WRs look better… other times the WRs make the QB look better.

  65. 65 bill said at 12:47 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Foles was never again confident in the pocket after getting pounded relentlessly in the Washington game his second year. It’s one of those things you have to be careful about with young quarterbacks; if you make them throw repeatedly behind a leaky line, they can lose that confidence. And some of them (perhaps even most) can never recapture it. Getting freight trained multiple times by 330 lb men running at high speed will do that.

  66. 66 kajomo said at 10:34 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    They were each figure out after their first year starting for the eagles. Teams figure them out and they were unable to handle those adjustments.

    Teams already had 16 games of tape on Carson and now have 24 games. They’ve game planned for him and made adjustments and still haven’t been able to slow him down. Time to admit carson is just legit

  67. 67 Someguy77 said at 12:45 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Very different teams. The 2013 Eagles’ team depended upon dynamic playmakers and had all five 5 OL starters for 16 G.

    Kelly thought his schemes could overcome lack of offensive play-making talent and he was dead wrong.

    Can you imagine Wentz with that OL line along with prime McCoy, Jackson, and Maclin?

    Defense also didn’t have nearly the dominance this DL did up front to compensate for a weaker secondary. S are also considerably better on this team.

  68. 68 Donald Kalinowski said at 9:53 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    Remember Will Witherspoon? Fun times.

  69. 69 Sb2bowl said at 11:26 AM on October 30th, 2017:

    The one thing I hope that we keep going is the mindset that the Eagles need to accomplish their goals “this year”- because next year is never guaranteed. I hate the idea of “well, we are building the team the right way. There’s always next year.”

    We’re 7-1. Foot on the gas, keep kicking ass; a first round bye and home field advantage throughout the playoffs is a real possibility. I don’t want to settle for “just making the playoffs”- I want to win, and it looks like the team has the same mentality.

  70. 70 xeynon said at 2:38 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    That approach has limits. Mortgaging the future to marginally improve your chances of winning this year is foolish. I realize it’s a different sport, but that mentality is part of what took the Phillies from World Series contenders to the worst team in baseball within 5 years.

    Wentz looks like a franchise QB who will bring high level play to that position for us for the next decade. There are no guarantees we’ll win next year if we don’t this year, but it’s likely we’ll be in the mix. And there are no guarantees we’ll win this year even if we go all in by trading a high pick for a veteran or whatever.

  71. 71 Sb2bowl said at 2:45 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    I’m not encouraging the mortgaging of the future- I’m talking about a mindset of “well, there’s always next year.”

    Each year is different- my point is that you can never guarantee future outcomes; you must take care of business now, as in this year.

  72. 72 xeynon said at 2:50 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    I’m talking about a mindset of “well, there’s always next year.”

    Nobody will have or should have that mindset until our season is over short of a SB championship. But part of the GM’s job is to think about the long term and build a sustainable foundation for success. Doug and his staff, and the players, shouldn’t be thinking beyond the next 8+ games. But if Howie isn’t doing so he’s terrible at his job.

    “my point is that you can never guarantee future outcomes; you must take care of business now, as in this year.”

    And my point is that you can’t guarantee this year’s outcome either, so if a small increase in the probability of winning the SB this year comes at the expense of a decrease in the probability of doing so in each of the 5 subsequent years, that’s not a good tradeoff.

  73. 73 BobSmith77 said at 5:27 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    The Phils biggest problem was over a decade of terrible drafts and player development starting in 2003. No team could survive that without bottoming out and most of the talent they traded away did nothing.

    The only prospect of signifinance they traded turned out to be Carrasco in the first Lee trade. Also started their rebuild at least 2 years too late too.

  74. 74 xeynon said at 6:26 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Bad drafting and player development didn’t help, to be sure. But that’s why I said the mentality is *part of* what took the Phillies out of contention. Even if those prospects didn’t turn out to be players themselves, they could’ve been traded for younger, developmental players rather than established stars due to leave in free agency in a year or two – there was an opportunity cost to strip mining the farm system for that kind of “win now” acquisition alone, rather than trading assets for players that could help build a sustainable foundation.

    A more famous (and crystal clear) example of mortgaging the future was the Red Sox trading Jeff Bagwell (then a highly regarded first base prospect) for Larry Andersen (a decent middle reliever) as part of their playoff push in 1989. Bagwell became a HoF caliber player for the Astros. Andersen didn’t make the Red Sox any more likely to win the WS right away (they still got swept in the first round of the playoffs).

    I’m not saying we can’t ever deal a pick for a veteran if the right offer is out there. I just don’t want them making the football equivalent of the Bagwell-for-Andersen trade.

  75. 75 Nailed It! said at 12:45 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Newest Eagles twitter rumor: Duce was seen talking to Carlos Hyde after the game = we are definitely trading for Hyde.

  76. 76 Someguy77 said at 12:48 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    I hope. Hyde would be a really nice complement here to Blount and be a decent fit on 3rd down/passing downs since he can actually catch the ball & is decent enough at blitz pickup.

    Nice upgrade over Smallwood/Barner/Clement.

  77. 77 Vink said at 3:50 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    I haven’t re-watch the game, but I thought I saw hide drop two or three balls that hit him in the hands yesterday. At the time I was thinking I’m glad we’re not trading for him… So I guess I’m saying I still feel the same way.

    Was that just a bad day? Or am I missing something else?

  78. 78 Insomniac said at 4:27 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    He was never a pass catcher in the first place.

  79. 79 Insomniac said at 4:26 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Carlos “averaging 2 YPC in some games” Hyde is a nono.

  80. 80 A_T_G said at 5:13 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Those are his Carlos Jekyll games.

  81. 81 Someguy77 said at 1:00 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Why do so many Eagles’ fans seemingly want to trade players for picks?! or aren’t willing to give up picks next year (say a 4th) to improve real areas of need (RB, LB, T)?

    Don’t need a sexy acquisition or to ‘mortgage the future’ by trading a 1st rounder or even a 2nd rounder in 2019.

    The window is wide open this year, the Eagles are 7-1, and they have a strong chance to get a bye & clinch home-field where they have been dominant.

    Pats have consistently made moves and brought in players mid-season when they thought it could help or saw a need to help them in the playoffs. Don’t see why the Eagles should be any different this year.

  82. 82 Donald Kalinowski said at 1:16 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Because it’s extremely unlikely that a player acquisition mid season can put a team over the edge to win a super bowl. Learning the scheme , playbook, and being comfortable with communication with other teammates isn’t something that can be picked up quickly.

    RB isn’t a huge need, teams aren’t giving up capable OTs for a 4th round pick, LB is a need but there will be scheme/communication issues that the new LB might not be able to learn in time.

    Most of the time a trade is done for a player from a that team isn’t willing to bring back the following year.

    Last year there was talk about acquiring Alshon. It was talked about a possible 3rd round pick. Could it have won them extra games? Maybe. But that 3rd rounder was used to trade up for Jernigan and draft Rasul Douglas. We also signed him the following year anyway.

  83. 83 Bert's Bells said at 1:18 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    On top of this (which is very accurate), the Eagles had a long terrible stretch of history where they dealt picks and had terrible results. In general, the NFL doesn’t reward this roster building method.

  84. 84 Someguy77 said at 1:33 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    It isn’t about building a roster though this methodology or anything close it.

    About ensuring that the needle doesn’t take a hit this year with a Blount/Kendricks injury and looking for a bit of marginal incremental improvement in making (and winning the Super Bowl).

  85. 85 Bert's Bells said at 1:40 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Trading draft assets for veteran talent is a roster building method. You might disapprove of it, I might approve of it. It’s still roster building.

  86. 86 Someguy77 said at 1:31 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Incremental value of acquiring Alshon didn’t make much sense given the likely expected payout (simply making the playoffs) last year.

    People are also laying this out the wrong way from a decision analysis payout matrix too. Moving up say even 4-5% chances of winning a Super Bowl though a single move would be HUGE.

    That would require a big name trade though. Not advocating for that and also considering the issue if Blount/Kendricks got hurt which would notably hurt the Eagles’ chances of making or winning the Super Bowl.

    RB and LB are big needs for this team especially LB given Kendricks’ health status.

  87. 87 Donald Kalinowski said at 1:46 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    But what can you realistically get with a 4th round pick at LB?

    To match the Eagles needs it eould have to be a healthy, quality player, who can learn the playbook quickly. On the other side it would have to be player on a non-playoff team, that is over 30, and is set to be a FA the following summer. Otherwise teams wouldn’t trade him.

  88. 88 Tumtum said at 2:17 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    So I am in that camp. I am all for good trades. Interested if you could propose one plausible trade using out 4th round pick.

    I’ve seen lots of speculation but no really news of guys actually on the block. I looked for a list of guys on the block and really came up with nada.

  89. 89 GermanEagle said at 1:20 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    What if…

    The Eagles trade for our lost son, Frank frigging Gore?!

  90. 90 Ryan Rambo said at 1:21 PM on October 30th, 2017:


  91. 91 EagleOne1983 said at 1:26 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Just put a uniform on Duce. They are just about the same age. 😉

  92. 92 Gary Barnes said at 1:34 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Would he decide to not show up again? No thanks

  93. 93 Tumtum said at 1:59 PM on October 30th, 2017:


  94. 94 Insomniac said at 4:28 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    It’s time to let it go man. Chip drove him away just like Banner did.

  95. 95 GermanEagle said at 6:24 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    LOL. I wouldn’t want him. It would be a really awkward scenario though.

  96. 96 Crus57 said at 6:48 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    It won’t be the same, I don’t think we’ll recapture the magic of his first stay here.

  97. 97 Dragon_Eagle said at 9:31 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Westbrook remains unsigned at the moment. Probably knows the playbook better than anybody.

  98. 98 Anders said at 3:21 AM on October 31st, 2017:

    He is having a better season than imagined consider the state of the Colts team

  99. 99 Donald Kalinowski said at 1:50 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Maybe they can trade a conditional 6th for Posluszny. Hes 33 and has narely played this year

  100. 100 RC5000 said at 1:54 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Nah. That would cost us about 3 million in rollover cap space.There’s guys they can sign off the street.

  101. 101 RC5000 said at 1:56 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    If the Eagles trade 6th or 7th round picks, remember it won’t be hard to recoup late picks. There could be chances to trade players for picks but they can trade down in 4th and 5th. Like we did this year:

    Philadelphia traded their fifth-round selection (155th) to Tennessee in exchange for Tennessee’s fifth- and sixth-round selections (164th and 214th).[source 1].

  102. 102 Tumtum said at 1:57 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Former 7th round picks:
    Jalen Mills, Beau Allen, Kurt Coleman, Moise Folu, King Dunlap,
    Former 6th round picks:
    Jason Kelce, Joe Walker (current startin MLB), Bryce Brown, Joe Mays

    There are a lot more previous 6th and 7th round guys we picked up that didn’t do anything for use but went and had or are having really good careers around the league. Sure you guys might hate Kurt Coleman, but if you actually think about it you would know that he was an important pick. Most of these names aren’t studs, but all of them played important roles for this team. Expand this to 5th round (as many have suggested they would be ok parting with), good googly moogly.

    Sure trading for the right guy would be super impactful and worthwhile. Don’t get crazy.

  103. 103 Sb2bowl said at 2:07 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Walker was a 7th round pick out of Oregon. Same with Brown (but not Oregon).

    But good info- teams hit on those late round picks, and they make a huge difference

  104. 104 CrackSammich said at 6:32 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Oh, you talking about Pro Bowler Kurt Coleman?

  105. 105 Tumtum said at 8:16 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    My fault. No logic. Gimme all the young probowlerzzz for our 7evenf rpund lickzzz!#!!@

  106. 106 Ark87 said at 2:01 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    It’s tough for us to make a splash in a trade. If we’re trading for an impact player, he will either cost us a lot of draft capital (that we’ve been sparse on for a few years now, that’s not sustainable), or they are currently a cap problem for their current team or imminently will be a cap problem. And we are flirting with cap trouble already, so…

    Anyway, my prediction is trade for depth, nothing flashy.

  107. 107 Dave said at 2:10 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Yup. The following players will be free agents next season and the team currently has less than $7M in cap space for next season.

    Alshon Jeffery
    Darren Sproles
    Nigel Bradham
    Trey Burton
    Corey Graham
    LeGarrette Blount
    Timmy Jernigan
    Caleb Sturgis
    Najee Goode
    Patrick Robinson
    Kenjon Barner
    Taylor Hart
    Beau Allen

  108. 108 Donald Kalinowski said at 2:22 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Jernigan and Bradham need to be re-signed. Alshon would have to be done at a cheaper rate. Graham, Blount, and Allen should be brought back for cheap. Everyone else can go.

    I expect them to get rid of Celek, Curry, and Smith next year. It will save about $15 million.

  109. 109 Dave said at 2:39 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Currently, there are 37 receivers who make $5M or more in salary. I don’t see anyone on this list below Alshon who is better than him.

    I think the market for Alshon would be at or above $9.5M for next season as well.

    Antonio Brown $17,000,000
    DeAndre Hopkins $16,200,000
    A.J. Green $15,000,000
    Julio Jones $14,250,000
    Demaryius Thomas $14,000,000
    Dez Bryant $14,000,000
    TY Hilton $13,000,000
    Doug Baldwin $11,500,000
    Keenan Allen $11,250,000
    DeSean Jackson $11,166,667
    Larry Fitzgerald $11,000,000
    Emmanuel Sanders $11,000,000
    Tavon Austin $10,555,501
    Allen Hurns $10,012,500
    Randall Cobb $10,000,000
    Jordy Nelson $9,762,500
    Alshon Jeffery $9,500,000
    Pierre Garcon $9,500,000
    Michael Crabtree $8,500,000
    Kenny Britt $8,125,000
    Marvin Jones $8,000,000
    Kenny Stills $8,000,000
    Robert Woods $6,800,000
    Mohamed Sanu $6,500,000
    Corey Davis $6,348,688
    Golden Tate $6,200,000
    Travis Benjamin $6,000,000
    Terrelle Pryor $6,000,000
    Mike Wallace $5,750,000
    Amari Cooper $5,665,780
    Brandon Marshall $5,500,000
    Markus Wheaton $5,500,000
    Jeremy Maclin $5,500,000
    Julian Edelman $5,500,000
    Seth Roberts $5,242,500
    Rishard Matthews $5,000,000
    Torrey Smith $5,000,000

  110. 110 A_T_G said at 2:46 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    He is definitely better than Torrey Smith…

  111. 111 Dave said at 2:50 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    I think Mack Hollins is better than Torrey Smith, although Mack and Carson clearly are not on the same page yet as evidenced by the interception yesterday.

  112. 112 daveH said at 6:50 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Damn expensiveness … bring back DGB for a try. .maybe he gets it now

  113. 113 Dave said at 8:07 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Funny, that’s the first time I even thought of him since he was cut. Still unemployed and most likely done in the NFL

  114. 114 daveH said at 9:50 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Most likely yes. .. but like the temptation to try out TO.. same with DGB .. man if I only had his size ..

  115. 115 John Galt said at 7:02 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Amari Cooper is better despite the struggles early this year, and Crabtree is close (not that this was the main point of your post). Edelmen is different, but more valuable when healthy. But your conclusion is definitely correct, dont see his market value dropping.

  116. 116 Dave said at 8:03 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Cooper is still on rookie contract and will be paid handsomely in a few years.

    I agree Edelman is different as he can only play the slot. If you would take any #1 receiver, including Alshon, and put them in the slot, they would dwarf Edelman’s stats.

    Ags is case in point that receivers who cannot beat outside cornerbacks can put up great stats against #3 defensive backs.

  117. 117 RC5000 said at 2:22 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    I totally agree we can’t add significant salary but it’s hopefully a little better than that. Add 6.4 million in rollover and 5 million for Torrey off the bat.

  118. 118 Sb2bowl said at 3:08 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Celek will be gone, or take a massive pay cut. That’ll save $4m. = $15m

    Hard to say what they will do with Kelce; he’d be a $1.2m cap hit vs. $6m in cap savings. = $21m

    Donnie Jones is a $250k vs. $1.6m savings. Tough call.

    Vinny Curry has a $6m dead charge, but we’d save $5m. That’d get us to $26m or so.

    This doesn’t include Peters ($6.3m vs. $5.3m)

  119. 119 RC5000 said at 3:33 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    The 2018 cap space doesn’t include rollover does it?

    Current 2018 cap space = 5.3 million
    Current 2017 cap space rollover = 6.5 million
    Torrey Smith = 5 million
    Brent Celek = 4 million
    Vinny Curry = 5 million
    Jason Kelce = 6 million
    Chris Maragos = 1.5 million

    That’s 32.3 million ish not including Peters and Jones if rollover isn’t included in 2018 cap space .

    Also if they decide to cut Peters they won’t be able to do it until he’s cleared to play right?

  120. 120 Sb2bowl said at 4:26 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Missed that- sorry. Looks like your numbers are correct.

    I don’t think they’ll get rid of Maragos if they get rid of Jones. Just a hunch.

  121. 121 RC5000 said at 7:08 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    My thinking is they don’t miss him and he’ll be 31.

  122. 122 Tdoteaglefan said at 2:27 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    yup, I think we could expect to get a player like Seantrel Henderson..low cap hit, buffalo could be open to dealing him, Stoutland connection…decent player who would provide depth at tackle.

    How about Tahir Whitehead? solid lions linebacker, tackling machine…might be expendable after they drafted Davis. local dude who played at temple and grew up in jersey, was drafted by Schwartz in Detroit. and I think he may be in the last year of his contract

  123. 123 kajomo said at 2:10 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    I’m ok trading any pick 4th or later. We can always trade down to acquire more picks. Teams like NE and Seattle seems to trade down every single year. We probably won’t be adding any impact players next offseason, but we can certainly fill holes and improve depth. This is already a really talented roster.

    Basically, we don’t have to mortgage the future if we want to make some moves.

  124. 124 RC5000 said at 2:16 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    I agree. I just posted this. It’s something that is important and easy to forget. We traded down in the 5th last draft just 9 spots and picked up a 6th.

  125. 125 Donald Kalinowski said at 2:32 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    And we traded a 7th to move up 6 spots in the 4th round to take……..Donnell Pumphrey

  126. 126 RC5000 said at 2:37 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Yeah the trade down in the 5th recouped that pick.

  127. 127 RC5000 said at 2:53 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Shocking, multiple sources confirm former NFL linebacker Daniel Te’o Nesheim has died. He was 30. R.I.P.

  128. 128 John Luck Pickerd said at 4:31 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Oh that’s heartbreaking.

    RIP Te’o

  129. 129 Tumtum said at 5:04 PM on October 30th, 2017:


  130. 130 xeynon said at 6:30 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Very sad.

    We fans talk about these guys so much as football players that I think we sometimes lose track of the fact that they’re first and foremost human beings.

    My thoughts are with his family and friends.

  131. 131 A_T_G said at 7:12 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    *except Cowboys.

    But, yeah, it is easy to think of them as chess pieces.

  132. 132 daveH said at 6:37 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Didn’t know he was Hawaiian. Aloha and sincerest respects to the family.

  133. 133 FairOaks said at 6:54 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    American Samoan, but went to high school in Hawaii (and apparently became that school’s head coach this year).

  134. 134 Dragon_Eagle said at 9:33 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Thanks for posting. Very sad.

  135. 135 BC1968 said at 5:07 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    This Cox thing is so weird. How the hell did he break Staley’s orbital bone? This is like the Muhammad Ali phantom punch against Sonny Liston. Would it be awkward if the Eagles traded for him now?

  136. 136 A_T_G said at 5:15 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    I agree. I was wondering yesterday if his helmet came off and he was kicked. I can’t understand how Cox’s hand fits into his face mask with enough force to do that, or that Staley’s own helmet could do that.

  137. 137 FairOaks said at 5:52 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Only clip of it I could find is:

    Not much of a good look. Seems like Cox just went to block him after the interception. Something went wrong though as Staley went down, and Cox held his hands up immediately, so something didn’t go according to plan and Cox knew it immediately.

  138. 138 FairOaks said at 7:00 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Kempski put up a couple more views of it here. Looks like the block was a bit high and did hit Staley’s head, but not sure anything went in the helmet — but it’s still hard to see even on those views.

  139. 139 A_T_G said at 7:10 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    But something contacted his cheekbone just below his eye, from the sideline shot of him bleeding. Really hard.

  140. 140 FairOaks said at 7:14 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Yeah. Hard to fathom what could have happened, but maybe a couple fingers got in there, or something odd happened with the helmet. Looked pretty innocuous, but something happened right then. Cox pulled his arms back right away, so Staley had some kind of unexpected reaction. Didn’t look like anything other than an attempt to block, but something went horribly wrong.

  141. 141 A_T_G said at 7:15 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Yep, you’d have to thing Staley exclaimed something prompting Cox’s reaction.

  142. 142 A_T_G said at 7:08 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Yep, I saw that. It just made me more confused.

  143. 143 Nailed It! said at 7:09 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Seahawks traded for T Duane Brown tonight. They just got better.

  144. 144 CrackSammich said at 7:09 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    I’ll play the game though. What’s Megatron’s cap hit for *next* year? Maybe it’s not about this season.

  145. 145 Fufina said at 7:45 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Megatron isn’t playing on that previous contract. Eagles don’t have the cap to sign him this year or next year on it. He is owed $16mil a year for the 3 remaining years of his contract (would be owed ~$8.6mil this year as he wouldn’t get the first 8 weeks of salary) – which i assure you the Eagles would never play him at this point in his career.

    Any trade would have a new contract agreed with his agent before you execute the trade. Johnson has earned $110+mil in his career so far – if he is coming back he is coming to win a championship not make big $$. If he was interested in that he would have come out of retirement and played for the Lions.

  146. 146 unhinged said at 7:09 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Nice column, teach.

  147. 147 GermanEagle said at 7:19 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    And the Seahawks just became our biggest threat in the NFC.

    I really do hope we won’t have to play in Seattle come January…!

  148. 148 Duracell said at 7:22 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    I still think this shouldn’t move the needle much for the Eagles, but I certainly rather not see conference rivals making these types of big moves.

  149. 149 or____ said at 8:03 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    You’re joking right?

  150. 150 kajomo said at 8:22 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Why would this be a joke. We lost a pro bowl OT while they added one. They were already our biggest threat and just got better

  151. 151 or____ said at 8:40 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    An acquisition doesn’t automatically make a team much better. Dream team? Ring a bell? Potentially, sure.

  152. 152 GermanEagle said at 8:48 PM on October 30th, 2017:


  153. 153 Ark87 said at 8:53 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    We have to find a way to beat them. Go full Belicheat if we must, can NOT let the road to the Superbowl go through Seattle.

  154. 154 xeynon said at 10:21 AM on October 31st, 2017:

    I’m not scared of the Seahawks at all, especially if they have to come to Philly as seems would be likely at this point. Even with Brown their offensive line is terrible.

  155. 155 GermanEagle said at 12:50 PM on October 31st, 2017:

    The Eagles be better off finishing with one game better than the Seahawks if they lose the 3rd December game.

  156. 156 GermanEagle said at 7:36 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    With the Zeke ruling to come tonight, who ya got?!

  157. 157 Duracell said at 7:39 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Unfortunately, I bet Zeke. I think he ultimately serves the full 6 games, but we’ll have to wait.

  158. 158 Dave said at 8:21 PM on October 30th, 2017:

  159. 159 kajomo said at 8:25 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    WOW. if they were interested why not do this before the season?

  160. 160 Dave said at 8:35 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    I think the landscape of college QBs is not as impressive as many assumed prior to the season. SF will most likely end up with a top 3 pick, so they definitely didn’t see Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, or any of the QBs as a top 20 talent.

  161. 161 kajomo said at 8:37 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Good call. Didn’t think of that angle

  162. 162 Ark87 said at 8:25 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    that’s it??

    Buyer beware! Do you really think Belichick would part ways with his young QB in a quarterback starved market if he was worth a damn?
    Especially with Brady at age 40.

  163. 163 Dave said at 8:29 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    If Brady plays plays next year, the only way to keep him would be to place the franchise tag on him. Not sure the team wanted to have $40M+ in QB contracts.

  164. 164 Ark87 said at 8:38 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    If he’s really a future franchise QB, it’s worth either paying both of them or risk parting with Brady a year too soon rather than a year too late. Considering the pats regularly pick at 28-32, they wont be getting opportunities to pick a QB of high pedigree and they’ll be in the scrum with the rest of the schmucks desperately looking for a QB with the likes of Flacco, Manning, Roethlisberger, Rivers, and Palmer leaving. Add in all the usual perpetual QB hunters. No way you let Garoppolo go for a second round pick.

    Belichick is smarter than that, Garoppolo isn’t a franchise QB is my only conclusion.

  165. 165 Dave said at 8:47 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    I don’t think there is any circumstance that Bob Craft allows Belichick to cut Brady.

    If Brady plays next year (as he is under contract), they would be playing the Kirk Cousins game of paying Garoppolo $23+M next year (to sit on the bench) and then $26M+ guaranteed in 2019. That would potentially guaranteeing $50M+ before he plays a snap in the 2019 season at the age of 27 with 94 career pass attempts (assuming Brady does not get injured).

  166. 166 Ark87 said at 8:51 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Still gave him away for less than we got for Kolb, (in the middle of the QB golden age). I remain skeptical, franchise QB’s are priceless.

    Either way, we can all celebrate the long long long odds of the Patriots finding a replacement for Brady any time soon.

  167. 167 Dave said at 8:57 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    We can also celebrate that this might mean the Skins re-sign Cousins as SF would have been his biggest suitor.

  168. 168 Ark87 said at 8:59 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    I think Cousins wants out of that situation. My from down town shot in the dark prediction, Cousins to Pittsburgh

  169. 169 Dave said at 9:09 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    I think your correct about the Gruden/Cousins relationship.

    I would love to see him go to Pittsburgh. Let Tomlin show his capabilities without Big Ben and let Gruden twist with a rookie QB.

  170. 170 sonofdman said at 10:09 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    That was going to be my off the wall prediction and you beat me to it!

  171. 171 since1961 said at 9:49 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    They have their 6th next year, don’t they?

  172. 172 A_T_G said at 8:54 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    What if Belichek has no interest in breaking in a new QB and they are planning to walk away together? Maybe you spend you resources on now and then ride off onto the sunset without looking back at the wreckage?

  173. 173 Ark87 said at 8:57 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Aww that would actually be kind of sweet, in all meanings of the word. You know how the Aaron Rodgers injury busted the NFC wide open? Multiply that by a decade and that would be the feeling of Brady and Belichick retiring together.

    Shit I said every meaning of sweet…well once Tom Brady is irrelevant I can drop the TB12 diet and eat sugar again!

  174. 174 xmbk said at 9:18 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Paying 2 franchise qb is not an option. They’d have to force Brady out.

  175. 175 Tumtum said at 8:47 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Interesting indeed. Same thing they got for Cassle right? At least that worked so well.

  176. 176 xeynon said at 10:20 AM on October 31st, 2017:

    Shanahan is a good coach to develop a young QB. I think Jimmy G will do okay with the 49ers if only because they won’t put him in a position to fail.

  177. 177 SteveH said at 9:07 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Spend a 2nd on him, trade him for a higher 2nd rounder a couple years later. New England always playing the long con.

    Still, maybe really good value for the niners if he can play.

  178. 178 Bert's Bells said at 9:15 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    I’d say they can package it with their first to move up for a QB but even pick #33 plus a high 20s at worst won’t get very far.

  179. 179 Dave said at 9:17 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Long con…I’ll gladly pay you today for a hamburger in 5 years (preferably on a Tuesday).

  180. 180 Dragon_Eagle said at 9:38 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Kirk Cousins just lost for the 2nd day in a row.

  181. 181 kajomo said at 8:23 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    I would still like to take a shot on Zachary Orr, but apparently no NFL will fell comfortable enough to clear him to play.

    Ellerbe May be our best option for short term depth.

  182. 182 kajomo said at 8:31 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Looks like Emmanuel Sanders will be back in the line up next week. We could really use Darby for that matchup. His speed and quickness would be a real asset against Sanders

  183. 183 Guy Media said at 8:32 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    I’d like to see Darby play 10 to 15 plays to get some decent reps before he’s back to full speed to help us obliterate Dallas.

  184. 184 Dave said at 8:35 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    …soon to without Zeke.

  185. 185 scratcherk said at 9:03 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Simien might get benched before the eagles game

  186. 186 Ark87 said at 9:04 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    or during, we’d best prepare for his backup either way.

  187. 187 EaglesHero87 said at 11:07 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Can you imagine Brock Lobster’s eyes being terrified if he was called in to play against us? 😀

  188. 188 xeynon said at 10:19 AM on October 31st, 2017:

    I’m hardly scared of Osweiler.

  189. 189 SteveH said at 9:06 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Trevor Siemian looking awful tonight. I hope he keeps getting his confidence destroyed. Next week would be a great opportunity to go to the rookie Denver!

  190. 190 Dave said at 9:13 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    You mean Lynch. He is in his 2nd year.

  191. 191 Howie Littlefinger said at 9:48 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    He’s Hurt right?

  192. 192 Dave said at 9:49 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Supposed to be ready for return anytime now.

  193. 193 Tumtum said at 10:34 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    At this point I would rather just play Siemian at this point, wouldn’t you? Game tape, team can’t catch the ball for him. Last think I want to see is THAT team with a spark from the kid.

  194. 194 GermanEagle said at 9:08 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Of all potential landing spots for Kirk Cousins I do hope he won’t sign with the Giants next off season.

    Let him go to Buffalo or Cleveland please.

  195. 195 SteveH said at 9:11 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Cleveland, banish him to the factory of sadness where he can go 5-11 for the next 10 years.

  196. 196 Masked Man said at 10:18 PM on October 30th, 2017:



  197. 197 SteveH said at 11:09 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Dilly dilly!

  198. 198 Howie Littlefinger said at 9:47 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Im starting to think broncos

  199. 199 Tumtum said at 10:32 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    He is going to hook up with his old friend Kyle Shanahan.

  200. 200 Anders said at 3:13 AM on October 31st, 2017:

    I would so much love for the Giants to pay Cousins+dead money for Eli.

  201. 201 xeynon said at 10:18 AM on October 31st, 2017:

    Why would him going to the Giants be a bad thing? They’d be locking themselves into a QB who’s good but not good enough and eats up tons of cap space for years. That’s a recipe for a team we can beat up on every year if we have an actual franchise QB. If they don’t get Cousins they could draft somebody like Rosen or Darnold and have that guy turn into a genuine threat.

  202. 202 GermanEagle said at 12:51 PM on October 31st, 2017:

    I find Cousins a huge upgrade over Shelli.

  203. 203 SteveH said at 9:44 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Siemian another awful int. I like what I’m seeing.

  204. 204 CrackSammich said at 11:32 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    I suspect we won’t be playing Siemian next week.

  205. 205 Dragon_Eagle said at 9:53 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    So, the Seahawks gave up a starting CB, a 2018 5th and a 2019 2nd round pick!!! For a 32-year old OT that held out for the first 6 weeks??!!! That a Houston team which is very much in the mix for the playoffs was willing to part with?

    Excellent. That’s what a desperate team does that’s scared of the pass rush of rivals (Rams, Eagles). Given the Seahawks OL play, one can understand why, but that is a seriously risky move at a high cost.

    Brandon Graham is going to take his lunch money.

  206. 206 Dave said at 10:10 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    If I remember correctly from an article a few years ago, the injury rate for holdouts is elevated as well.

  207. 207 xeynon said at 10:17 AM on October 31st, 2017:

    Big V can be a serviceable starting tackle. The Seahawks don’t have anyone who even meets that description.

  208. 208 Ryan Rambo said at 10:20 PM on October 30th, 2017:


  209. 209 Ryan Rambo said at 10:21 PM on October 30th, 2017:


  210. 210 Dragon_Eagle said at 10:23 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Even so, the whole carnival remains a major distraction to a franchise that deserves nothing but the worst.

  211. 211 Ark87 said at 10:24 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    I’ve never seen anything like Zeke’s suspension, even Brady couldn’t find a way to stave off suspension this many times

  212. 212 SteveH said at 10:25 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    The legal system is a joke sometimes. How much time is being wasted by the courts on this nonsense?

  213. 213 kajomo said at 10:30 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    How many times does he get to appeal?

  214. 214 kajomo said at 10:36 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but wasn’t this ruling about whether he would be suspended while going through the appeals process? Meaning after this 24hr window he will be suspended. He will miss games while appealing. If he wins the appeal he will recieve his game checks for any missed games. If he loses he will continue to serve the balance of his 6 games suspension.

    If this is accurate I assume he will miss a game or 2 before his appeal is even heard

  215. 215 Insomniac said at 10:26 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    The Broncos don’t look that great.

    It’s still a trap game though.

  216. 216 Tumtum said at 10:30 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    If they are smart they will run it a lot on us. Of course they should of been doing that the last 3 weeks and it hasn’t sunk in.

  217. 217 kajomo said at 10:37 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Why? We have the best run D in the league. This puts teams in tough 3rd down situations where our DL can pin their ears back.

  218. 218 Tumtum said at 9:32 AM on October 31st, 2017:

    Middle in base sets looked really suspect.

  219. 219 kajomo said at 12:01 PM on October 31st, 2017:

    I think they will get better. It was Joe Walker’s first real plying time. If he doesn’t improve we can stick goode in there. I think we’ll be fone

  220. 220 Tumtum said at 2:22 PM on October 31st, 2017:

    I’m real nervous about it. I hope you are right.

  221. 221 EaglesHero87 said at 11:05 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Their offense doesn’t quite strike any fear. I am curious about Emmanuel Sander’s return, though…

  222. 222 CrackSammich said at 11:30 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Siemian looks terrible enough that they’re going to yank him for next week. We could struggle against the new QB with no tape. Eagles traditionally do….

  223. 223 Ryan Rambo said at 10:28 PM on October 30th, 2017:

  224. 224 SteveH said at 10:29 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    So, how many times exactly are you allowed to file for emergency appeals and injunctions? This is getting absurd.

  225. 225 Ryan Rambo said at 10:30 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Right. At some point I’d think the decision stands. They’ll appeal every time just to circumvent the suspension smh.

  226. 226 Fufina said at 10:33 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Well the NFLPA and Zeke have lost now. They have no chance of winning at the circuit court in an actual case.

    They may be able to appeal to the circuit court, get another TRO, and then loose the prelimary injuction case again, but that will only delay the decision a few more weeks.

    Zeke will be suspended and he is running out of options to delay it.

  227. 227 Ryan Rambo said at 10:40 PM on October 30th, 2017:


  228. 228 BlindChow said at 2:48 AM on October 31st, 2017:


  229. 229 Tumtum said at 10:30 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    Boom shakka lakka.

  230. 230 Duracell said at 10:37 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    I’m very gladly wrong on this one.

  231. 231 xeynon said at 10:16 AM on October 31st, 2017:

    The Cowboys are likely to go 3-3 or 2-4 over their next 6 without Zeke and people will finally shut up about how great Dak is. Happy Halloween!

  232. 232 Tumtum said at 10:29 PM on October 30th, 2017:

    And Kevin Kolb!

  233. 233 Ryan Rambo said at 11:10 PM on October 30th, 2017: