He Said Yes!!!
Posted: November 9th, 2017 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 244 Comments »The Eagles are on their bye week, but still found a way to come up with a big win. How?
Eagles signed DT Timmy Jernigan to a 4-year extension, $48 million extension that includes $26 million fully guaranteed, per source. Here he is: pic.twitter.com/y4G3WtJjrD
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) November 9, 2017
Great news. This defense has been dominant against the run. One of the big keys is having Jernigan playing alongside Fletcher Cox. You can’t consistently double-team both guys. The one who is free can be disruptive. And that happens a lot.
Those guys don’t make every play, but they affect an awful lot of them and that lets the players around them make plays.
The thing I love about Jernigan is that he’s an athlete who can shoot gaps, but is also powerful and willing to do the dirty work. Good interior DL have to be violent, and Jernigan sure is.
Shot 14 – Tim Jernigan continues to be dominant at the point of attack. Controls this block from snap to finish. Huge part of #Eagles DL pic.twitter.com/qsGeuzw6Xo
— Fran Duffy (@fduffy3) November 7, 2017
Shot 7 – Outstanding run defense on these three plays featuring some individual efforts. Derek Barnett, Tim Jernigan and Vinny Curry #Eagles pic.twitter.com/YTO60moNp1
— Fran Duffy (@fduffy3) November 1, 2017
Having a pair of stud DTs to anchor your defense gives you a chance to be good every year. Those guys set the tone by clogging the middle against the run and getting pressure up the middle on pass plays. The Eagles have a great situation because they have talent on the outside as well. And this is a group that could play together for a while.
#Eagles starting DL now signed through at least next season: Graham (2018), Jernigan (2021), Cox (2022), Curry (2020)+Barnett (2020) signed long-term as well.
— Adam Caplan (@caplannfl) November 9, 2017
Some have pointed out that Curry could be cut in the offseason. That certainly is possible, but he is having a good year. Curry only has 3 sacks, but he has been a force against the run and is getting good pressure from RDE. I think the Eagles could talk to him about restructuring his deal. Jim Schwartz loves having a deep DL. Finding a way to keep Curry around would be ideal.
Jernigan feels like a sign of how things are going right for the organization. They swapped draft spots with the Ravens to get him. Now, they have signed him to a deal to keep Jernigan around for the next four years. Joe Douglas scouted Jernigan when he was with the Ravens and helped to draft him. Douglas obviously sold Howie on the idea that the Eagles should deal for him. Howie was able to engineer the deal so that the Eagles got a good player, but at a reasonable price. Then Howie worked with Drew Rosenhaus to get an extension done. The scout, the trader and the dealmaker.
If there is one potential negative angle, the Eagles do have a lot of money invested in their DTs. Will that hurt them at any other spots? We’ll have to wait and see how things go in the offseason. There are going to be a handful of free agents to deal with and some other players who might need new contracts. The Eagles will have to make some tough decisions. I do trust Howie when it comes to the cap and contracts.
I think the Eagles made a good move by re-signing a talented, young DT. Those are the players you absolutely want to keep around.
*****
Speaking of players you want to stay…watch this Chris Long video.
We had @JOEL9ONE wired for sound last Sunday. Sounds like he's having some fun out there. #FlyEaglesFly pic.twitter.com/a5uTwT3ofU
— Philadelphia Eagles (@Eagles) November 9, 2017
How can you not love that guy? I hope the Eagles are able to keep him for another season. Long has been good on the field and even better off it. I also love the chemistry that he and Beau Allen have. They hare the DL version of the Odd Couple.
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That move move by Barnett….. NASTY!!!! That wasn’t Joe Staley was it?
Yep, great hand usage and the ability to bend were/are his calling cards.
Love to see a collection of Barnett gifs because he has amazing sense of getting OT off balance, violent hands, famous bend, wicked fast spin move.
Well shoot..Long is signed next year. Should be able to keep em.
I thought it was funny how after like 4 days of Jernigan being here he was interviewed after practice and something along the line of “I love these guys”. At the time I snickered and thought he was bullshitting. I guess it was love at first sight.
By the way I think I love him more for his horrible gold-fronts and sweat suites.
The issue with Long isn’t free agency, it’s life. He’s got 61.5 career sacks, he’s got his ring, he’s made $80+mil, he’s clearly a bright and well rounded man. I think this is a great situation from an energy and usage perspective, but he doesn’t feel like a guy who NEEDS it anymore.
I think he could easily walk away this offseason with no second thoughts, although it would be lovely to have him back for one more go around.
But he seems to love playing the game and playing with this team. He could walk away, but I think he stays. If he leaves, it’s because he wants to devote himself to his causes.
Good point. Let’s hope he is one of the guys who can’t quit it.
Richard Sherman suffered a heel injury in Thursday’s game against the Cardinals, and is doubtful to return.
The Seahawks announced it as Sherman’s heel, but the corner himself was seen mouthing multiple times on the sideline that it was his Achilles’. It certainly looked that way on the field. Sherman was held out of practice this week with an Achilles’ issue. If that’s indeed what it is, it would be a bitter pill to swallow for a player who has been critical of the player-safety issues presented by Thursday Night Football. It would also be a hammer blow for the Seahawks’ defense. Despite a minor drop off in his play, 29-year-old Sherman has remained one of the league’s best corners.
Seahawks LT Duane Brown was forced from Thursday’s game against the Cardinals with an ankle injury.
Brown went down in the first half. He was announced as “questionable,” but never returned. Matt Tobin finished the game at left tackle. Brown will have 11 days to get healthy for Week 11 against the Falcons on Monday Night Football.
TJ signing all but guarantees Beau Allen will not be back next year. We can’t pay everyone. I would not mind signing Alson to another one year deal.
You have Destiny and Hamilton as DT3 and DT4. We can draft or UDFA DT5.
Qualls
My bad.
Fletcher and Tim are going to be shutting down the run for a long time. This is awesome. Zeke will have to eat what they are cookin.
maybe not this year 🙂
Seahawks CB Richard Sherman has been diagnosed with a ruptured right Achilles’ tendon, and is done for the season.
Aw man, hate to hear about an injury like that.
And the weak gets weaker.
I saw him listed on the injury report leading up to the Thursday night game as questionable with an Achilles and thought, “Thursday game with a weak Achilles, I will not be the least bit surprised if he ruptured that thing.”
They really need to nix TNF.
And, players…if your Achilles is aching it’s becauae it’s injured and weakened. Don’t mess around with Achilles injuries.
Yikes. Attrition is one hell of a thing. That’s probably the biggest relief of the bye week. The threat of losing a game at this point isn’t as scary as losing a key player. No one really gets better at this point, just worse by attrition. We get to get healthier while this kind of stuff happens to other teams. Football gods, don’t abandon us now!
Also: this is why you don’t tough it out through any kind of tissue injury if you can help it. Smart to let it heal and play another day.
Yes, whether it’s a Thursday night game or a Sunday game why would you risk your season to push your achilles against the Cardinals?
Certainly Jernigan is a big winner here, followed by all NFL agents that represent starting defensive linemen.
There are sixteen other defensive linemen in the league making $12M or more. 12 have played in the Pro Bowl: Ndamukong Suh x5, Gerald McCoy x5, JJ Watt x4, Everson Griffen x2, Calais Campbell x2, Jurell Casey x2, Jason Pierre-Paul x2, Marcell Dareus x2, Fletcher Cox x2, Linval Joseph x1, Kawann Short x1, Muhammad Wilkerson x1. The other four were Bears cornerstone Akiem Hicks, Malik Jackson was considered a worthy use of sizable Jaguars cap space that year, Olivier Vernon who was high roller bet for the Giants, and Stephon Tuitt. Needless to say, this list does not involve anyone a half season removed from being thrown in to a swap of 3rd round picks.
It appears that the guaranteed money means that the Eagles have to pay this out for four years no matter what. The trade for Jernigan set up a situation where the team was either going to let him go or pay him handsomely for playing well next to Cox in a walk year, a year after he publicly admitted to poor play after a demotion.
The ravens traded him because they didn’t want to pay him. He was going to get paid no matter what
OK, “The ravens traded him because they didn’t want to pay him.” Thanks for filling me in on that. They’re 4-4 after 2016 Week 9, in the hunt for a Wild Card after a 5-11 season, and they decide to drop his snap count to 29% the following week because they want to get guys ready for when he leaves as a free agent following the 2017-8 season. Then they brainwash him into telling the press he had an off year. I feel better informed after reading your incisive comment for which I am proud to be the fifth upvote.
Scheme fit dude. In Baltimore he was a lane clogger. He gave Mosley and the other LBers room to operate. Here he is a playmaking DT. He has more value to us than he did to the Ravens. I was hoping we could get him for $10m a year, but th way the FA market played out for DTs last year it is not crazy that he got $12m
If you overpay for positions of your choosing you’d better be able to draft. No other defensive lineman in the league gets that money after 1 1/2 sacks over 9 games, next to a top DL in Cox.
How’re is looking at what D.L. Value is going to be next year and shooting for a good value for that.
Big Timmy is ferocious, man.
Great to get him signed, paid and smiling ear to ear.
Good locker room relations with the big guy happy with this contract.
“Some have pointed out that Curry could be cut in the offseason.”
Trade hopefully. We’re in need of more draft assets!
I want one more year with Curry. Trade Kendricks, Foles, etc. keep the strength of this defense intact. If we can get by with him for one more year due to limited draft capital it would be huge for us.
Trades don’t usually net a very high pick. I’d be surprised they’d get more than a 5th for him, even though he’s having a good year. Still a 5th is better than nothing.
Guy Media is being silly most of the time. He’s posting from the heart often, with minimal frontal lobe (no judgement), just saying.
Ha; Howie turned Turnstile Tobin and Barbre Doll into draft picks, so I’d think he could get some type of minimal return for Curry is in order.
I’d take a 5th over cutting him. Or a 6th. Or a 7th. I just can’t stomach cutting guys if there was a chance to get some compensation back.
I’ll admit that number was north of where I was hoping to get him long term, but the dude has earned it. I just hope they were able to sneak a good bit of it into this year’s cap as I’d rather not see his cap hits stay at $12 mil for 2018-2022.
So the Jernigan trade is officially closed. The Eagles got Jernigan and Rasul Douglas for the chance to draft one of the following players.
3 10 74 Baltimore Ravens Chris Wormley DL Michigan
3 11 75 Atlanta Falcons Duke Riley LB LSU
3 12 76 New Orleans Saints Alex Anzalone LB Florida
3 13 77 Carolina Panthers Daeshon Hall DE Texas A&M
3 14 78 Baltimore Ravens Tim Williams LB Alabama
3 15 79 New York Jets ArDarius Stewart WR Alabama
3 16 80 Indianapolis Colts Tarell Basham DE Ohio
3 17 81 Washington Fabian Moreau CB UCLA
3 18 82 Denver Broncos Carlos Henderson WR Louisiana Tech
3 19 83 New England Patriots Derek Rivers DE Youngstown
3 20 84 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Chris Godwin WR Penn State
3 21 85 New England Patriots Antonio Garcia OT Troy
3 22 86 Kansas City Chiefs Kareem Hunt RB Toledo
3 23 87 New York Giants Davis Webb QB Cal
3 24 88 Oakland Raiders Eddie Vanderdoes DT UCLA
3 25 89 Houston Texans D’Onta Foreman, RB Texas
3 26 90 Seattle Seahawks Shaquill Griffin CB Central Florida
3 27 91 Los Angeles Rams John Johnson S Boston College
3 28 92 Dallas Cowboys Jourdan Lewis CB Michigan
3 29 93 Green Bay Packers Montravius Adams DT Auburn
3 30 94 Pittsburgh Steelers Cameron Sutton CB Tennessee
3 31 95 Seattle Seahawks Delano Hill S Michigan
3 32 96 Detroit Lions Kenny Golladay WR Northern Illinois
3 33 97 Miami Dolphins Cordrea Tankersley CB Clemson
3 34 98 Arizona Cardinals Chad Williams WR Grambling State
I love some of the dudes on the list, but I can’t take any of them over a high quality starting DT and a probable starting DB.
And no more bellyaching from people about Kareem Hunt. If Hunt was so fucking good, why the fuck was he laying down on the job vs. pussy Dallas in the unacceptable loss by KC?
Who?
You’re thinking fantasy. He didn’t get the touches. Violation
I’m thinking KC can go fuck itself for losing to Dallas.
Four years of Jernigan and Rasul for a single 3rd round pick is absolutely insane value. Howie Roseman is on fire.
“So, are we good?”
“I think we’re good. It’s still early, but I think we’re good.”
They have the same conversations on game day that we do in the comment section.
I love in shot 14 above where Jernigan basically pushes the guard off with one hand until he tosses him aside to grab the RB.
It isn’t quite the level of the Skins investing the kind of money they did with Stubblefield and Haynesworth at DT but still makes me really wonder about the logic of doing it.
Roseman has earned the benefit of the doubt but this is almost inevitably going to cost them a veteran player elsewhere this offseason. Likely Curry or Bradham.
QB
Trenches
Secondary
We are building this team the right way. We have little invested at RB and LB. Blount and Sproles will be gone next year as will Kendricks. PRob will be our only CB not on a rookie contract. We can deal with it for a few seasons without it catching up to us. At that point Graham, Curry, and Long will be replaced with guys on rookie contracts making our DL reasonable again.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Blount stay around for another year or two, depending on what the contract talks yield. I also wouldn’t be too surprised if Sproles comes back for one more year – if he heals up. Especially if this year winds up being a special as it appears to be, and he thinks they can follow up again next year.
Very little interest in bringing either back especially Sproles given his age and severity of injuries.
NFL is a tough business and need to move on from aging players quickly generally.
Completely agree. As much as we would love to keep everyone on this team together, it’s just no possible. We need to prioritize by positional value and let aging vets walk.
Next year will be tough however as we have less draft capital to replace guys.
Neither will break the bank either. Our cap space really starts to open up over the next two years with the large cap hits from Celek, Peters, Kendricks, Sproles coming off the books.
So true. Pay the DL, pay the OL. The guys are playing great. Jernigan signed a team friendly deal.
If you wanna get stingy look at wr, AJ and Smith. But pay the OL and D.L.
The problem with Stubblefield and Haynesworth wasn’t investing in your DTs, it was with the DTs in which they invested. That DL was a terrifying opponent, except Haynesworth turned out to be a POS that lacked dedication.
Fat Albert got paid, and then didn’t even show up in shape for camp. That sums the whole thing up.
But that was only after they switched out of a 4-3 and into a 3-4. He saw them switch to a system that wasn’t suited to his talents, then decided to dog it. His first year there, they had the best run D in the league in the 12 games he played.
The advantage the Eagles have right now is that they have a franchise QB early in his rookie contract, so they can afford to pay more at other important positions.
Agree, and the cap situation (context of the league) is entirely different.
Chances are that Peters does not return from his ACL year at age 37. Jernigan just got the money that was going to be Peters’ had he not gotten injured.
Barnett is set to replace Curry and linebackers are not as critical as defensive tackles. If they had a choice of only keeping two of the three players you name, Jernigan would definitely be one of the two.
They’ve got the cheapest CB room in the league, and with Blount not being back next year the RB’s won’t cost shit either. You’ve got your franchise QB on his rookie deal. By 2019 alot of other space opens up. It’ll be fine.
Love listening to Long. What teammate. Signing Jerrigan long term, bringing in Ayayi, seeing Ags become a force, the list goes on.The team is building something special. No dream team, but a dream season. Absolutely love this team.
“I can only imagine what you’re going to be like now.”
That photo cracks me up. It looks like they are in an Office Max using their fax service. Evidently the NFL is old-school and still requires signed contracts to be faxed and not scanned/emailed.
Funny how the agent negotiations have changed over the years. Drew used to be the agent that had his star-players hold out while he negotiated in-person with GMs, always requiring top dollar for his clients. Now he accepts less than top dollar while apparently negotiating using over phone and/or email.
I was wondering where this photo was taken too especially holiday volunteer banner right behind them.
It’s a FedEx
Rosenhaus has always gotten way too much credit/blame for the actions of his clients. Folks treat him like he’s Machiavelli.
He’s pretty much always done what his clients want. If anything, he showed very little influence over them and fanned their egos. His job, and he’s said this, is to get his players the biggest contract. In the NFL system that’s every agent’s job.
“Rosenhaus failed to get Jackson a new deal prior to or during the 2010 season. Jackson says Rosenhaus urged him to hold out during training camp in the summer of 2011 in order to force the Eagles to give in to the agent’s contract demands.”
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/eagles/Eagles-notes-Drew-Rosenhaus-reportedly-pushed-DeSean-Jackson-to-hold-out-and-more.html
Meh. I’m sure there’s more than one side to the story.
Says everyone that has no factual basis for their opinion.
The factual basis is in the facts.
I’m surprised you didn’t just call the reporting “fake news”, considering that’s the trendy way to discount news with no evidence to the contrary.
Agents gonna be agents. It’s not that deep
If you’ve read Jimmy’s piece, even he editorializes that it was Jackson’s choice to hold out.
Apart from the allegations of client buying (which is indefensible), what we know from the testimony is this:
Jackson wanted more money.
His agent (who also wanted more money because consumerism), says “one way to get more money is to hold out.” Now we don’t know what else Rosenhaus said. It’s safe to assume he offered more than one option. If not, then he’s derelict in job as agent.
Jackson, aka JaCCpot, decided on what appeared to be the easy route to getting more money. This fits with what we know about his situation at the time.
I’m fully willing to say Rosenhaus might have been negligent towards his client. There’s just not the information there.
His job is to get the biggest contracts. That’s why players hire him.
“If you’ve read Jimmy’s piece, even he editorializes that it was Jackson’s choice to hold out.”
Huh? Jackson filed a lawsuit against Rosenhaus. In the lawsuit, he specifically states that it was Rosenhaus who orchestrated the holdout. There is no editorializing in the language of the lawsuit (which Jackson won for over $500,000).
Huh?
It’s very possible I don’t understand the complexities of the case, but the $500k settlement has nothing to do with Jackson’s hold out.
Jimmy clearly editorializes that Jackson decided to hold out anyway.
I’m not claiming that Rosenhaus is a great guy or anything. My point is that his demonization by the fans is largely bogus. He’s the mouthpiece of the players against the owners. Of course guys like Jerry Jones and Jim Irsay would love for him to be the heel.
Have times been rough on Rosenhaus or something? I’d think he’d have a fax machine of his own and wouldn’t be doing the photo op in a kinkos
Timmy’s on his bye week so Drew flew out to him and they handled it at a FedEx (may have needed the Notary to not sign in person)
Could this be the Eagles team that replaces the old ’91 team as #1 in my heart?
I loved McNabb, Westbrook, Dawk, Cole… but they’re a distant 2nd to Jerome, Reggie, Randall, Keith Jackson, Seth, Wes
It could.
The old defense was so much fun to watch. Every snap was an opportunity for a big play Unfortunately the offense gave us plenty of opportunities to watch the defense.
This squad is so much fun regardless of which unit is out there.
I loved that ’91 team as much as anyone, but there will always be one major blemish. The miserable mid-December Sunday at The Vet that ended up being the gateway to a Dallas dynasty. There’s one way for this team to get to the top of the charts… and they know what it is.
The ’91 team which had such legends as Jeff Kemp, Brad Goebel and Pat Ryan as QBs?
People remember the defense fondly but that offense was really tough to watch at times even with a pretty decent receiving corps (Jackson, Williams, Barnett, Byars).
Best defense in NFL history. Symbolic of an era of my life as an Eagles fan, and what amounts to a small “what if” what if Randall stays healthy that year… There’s no way that team doesn’t win the SB.
at times???? I was usually happy when they punted, because that meant they didn’t turn the ball over.
Offense was semi-functional at times with McMahon at QB. The problem was he was physically breaking down at that time point and couldn’t say on the field with any regularity.
They were more than functional with McMahon. They basically went 9-2 with McMahon playing most of the game. (He was charged with a third loss when he was injured early in the game, and Randall got the credit for the first W though he only threw four passes before being done for the year, and McMahon played the rest of that game.)
The QBs once McMahon went out were shockingly bad and lost every game. McMahon came back and the team won a bunch in a row to get back in the playoff race, but he got injured late in a win, and with Kemp the Eagles promptly lost the next game vs Dallas which basically determined the wildcard. Kemp won the meaningless last game, with the 14-1 Redskins sitting everyone (and still had poor stats). McMahon could have easily played the Trent Dilfer role that year, had he not been injured, I think.
I just saw a report that the Sixers are likely to finish a Covington extension by next week.
Is it my green goggles that sees this (Embid deal etc…) as the 6ers learning from Luire/Howie about how to build a strong franchise in terms of cap health/locking up your own good talent (NBA adjustment for differences from NFL albeit)…
Am I stretching too much?
I don’t care, either way it makes me happy.
Hinkie did not learn from Howie, no.
Hinkie wasn’t around when the moves I’m referring to were made.
it’s not the Covington extension that’s the smart move, even Bryan can figure out to do that, the smart move was signing him as a free agent and giving him enough touches to get this good. Same with Embiid, it was drafting him (while hurt and not being able to play). Let’s not start thinking Bryan freakin Colangelo deserves Hinkie’s credit for this team.
Oh not saying at ALL that colangelo deserves Hinkie’s credit. Not at all.
No the Covington extension was always going to happen. They had to wait until next week because of when he signed with the team and CBA gobblygook.
Fair enough.
In light of Zeke’s suspension, would this be insensitive now:
Jernigan sacks Dak. He gets up, runs forward and pretends to eat a bowl of cereal. Cox slaps the bowl out of Jurnigan’s hand, Mills wags his finger in Jernigan’s face, and Bradham instead offers Jernigan a large drumstick of meat. Jernigan tears into the meat and smiles those gold teeth at the camera.
I think it’d only be insensitive if Bradham exposed Jernigan’s breast on camera.
Let’s keep Bradham away from doing anything that can be potentially fined or punished please.
“Jernigan sacks dak” sounds like you’re a guy from Boston trying to say something a lot nastier
Yeah but hadly
That one took me a minute. I literally had to picture the This Old House guys saying it.
I got it right away
wicked fast, right?
wicked smaht
Pissa
Big Timmy got paid
D line is best in football
Dak et al poop pants
Lovely haiku
Ah, I miss the spontaneous haiku challenges that used to spring up.
I like the way you threw in the latin at the end to confuse Cowboy fans.
I hereby declare you the poet laureate of Iggles Biltz. Use your new powers well.
Honestly, there are guys on the board who do some great poetic work.
I wish the Artist Formerly Known as Baloophi would return.
Howie knows that he’s doing on the $$ end of things. I’m sure he feels like there is enough salary to clear in the next few years: https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/philadelphia-eagles/
Who here can help me figure out who will be coming off the books via cut or retirement? 2018 cap savings if cut in parentheses.
Peters ($5,333,332)
Curry ($5,000,000)
Torrey Smith ($5,000,000)
Kendricks ($4,400,000)
Celek ($4,000,000)
Foles ($2,200,000)
Donnie Jones ($1,625,000)
Maragos ($1,500,000)
Celek is definitely done at the end of the year, and i think Torrey Smith is just not worth $5mil a year if we keep Jeffery and have Agholor and Mack10.
Curry/Kendricks going into the preseason were assumed 2018 cuts but both are playing at a great level at the moment so i think unless you trade them for a mid round pick i think they stay on the roster.
Peters with an injury and his guaranteed salary is just not realistically cutable. I am sure the Eagles will want to know soon if he wants to retire or play another season but my instinct is he will rehab and try to make it back for next season.
Also, is 2 Mil even the much for a quality back up QB?
No, but it’s not that simple. He has a 3 million roster bonus and 3 million guaranteed salary next year. If you cut him after June 1, and spread the cap hit out, he saves 4 million instead. But… if you *trade* Foles, the far more likely scenario, you get 5.2 million back. Trade after June 1, you get 7 million back. (Provided the roster bonus is later, which I’m not sure it is.)
I think they will look to trade Foles. Part of why it was important to keep Sudfeld recently.
It’s amazing to think anyone would trade for Foles but i guess if they got a 7th for Barkley and the league is currently thirsty for any QB not named Colin it could happen. Maybe Cardinals?
Great insight, thanks
Smith is definitely gone. I bet Peters is too. Celek is gone unless is signs near to a veteran league minimum deal.
Curry has to renegotiate or he is gone too with Barnett grabbing his PT as the starter.
Kendricks is the really interesting one on that list. If he keeps playing like this, stays healthy the rest of the year, and essentially is a 3-down LB then they will hard pressed to move him/release him especially with Bradham’s FA status and Hick’s injury status.
Can’t go into next year with 3 new LBs.
If we can’t re-sign Jeffery, and don’t sign another free agent WR, I’m guessing Smith stays. He’s not that expensive relative to what other capable WRs cost. But if we do keep Jeffery, I think Hollins’ presence makes Smith expendable.
Celek and Smith give the team some space to re-sign Bradham but they’re still going to be in a tough spot after signing draft picks and FA’s. I don’t see how they can re-sign Alshon Jeffrey.
It’s going to be interesting to see what they do in 2019, with Brandon Graham an FA.
Draft picks don’t really cost that much money. They only cost the top picks cap hit minus the guy who gets bumped off the roster because of him.
Late first round picks have pretty small cap hits. Tre’davious White was pick 27 last year. He had a first year cap hit of $1.83 million. So it’s 1.83-600K. Rookie’s will only need about 1.2 mil in cap room.
This year we entered FA is $8M in reported cap space. Howie turned that $8M into Jeffery, Torrey Smith, Blount, Wisneiski, Warmack, Jernigan, Long, and Robinson without having to make any cap cuts.
We stand to enter 2018 with similar if not more available cap room. They’ll be able to resign whoever they want to resign.
Celek and Smith are certain to be cut. That frees up $10M.
Peters is unlikely to return at age 36 from an ACL tear, and even if he does it would probably be to play LG at a reduced salary. His recent contract extension really hurts. Prior to that extension we could have cut him this offseason and realized a full $10M savings IIRC. Now he’s got a $10.8M dead cap hit next year if he cant play, only an $800k cap savings if cut pre June 1st, and $3.5M savings if cut post June 1st. That means our best outcome with Peters is that he comes back next year and plays at a high level either at LT or LG (highly unlikely given his age) so that we get something out of him, otherwise were either carrying a $10M dead money cap hit next year, or splitting that dead charge over two years ($8.2M in 2018 and $2.7M in 2019) as a post June 1st cut.
Kendricks most likely moves on and saves us $4.4M
Foles I’m willing to bet stays for a second year
Donnie Jones doesn’t go anywhere
I think Vinny has played well enough that he stays for one more year. Long might move on which would net us about $2M in space, but I think they keep the entire Dline intact for one more season.
If all you do is release Kendricks, Smith, Maragos and Celek you end up with going into the 2018 season with about $12M in space (depending on Jernigans deal). All of those four players can conceivably be replaced with contributions from players on rookie deals or vet minimum type salaries which will not effect that cap in either direction.
You all saw what Howie did this off-season with $8M in space, so you’d have plenty of money to decide to do whatever you wanted with Jeffery and Bradham and sign a FA or two at other spots. Otherwise the team as a whole will be remarkably similar next year and have plenty of cap space so that they won’t have to lose anyone that they don’t want to.
Peters extension doesn’t actually hurt because they basically just took his 2017 cap hit and spread it over 2 years.
Sorta true, his extension spreads the majority of his cap hit over 2 years, but still leaves $2.7M in guaranteed hits on year 3. So technically it spreads it out over three years.
Prior to the extension Peters was under contract for this year and next with cap hits of $11.7 and $11.2, but dead money charges of only $2M in 2017 and $1M in 2018.
So, let’s play it out with two separate scenarios…had Peters not signed his extension:
– Cap hit this year – $11.7M
– Dead cap next year assuming he’s cut/retired – $2M
Total cap charges over 2 years = $13.7M
With the extension:
– Cap hit this year – $6.9M
– Dead cap next year pre-June 1st cut – $10.8M
Total cap charges over 2 years = $17.7M
$17.7M > $13.7M
I stick with my original statement that the extension ultimately hurt us.
If you plan on cutting him post June 1st it’s slightly better, I guess, but still not as good as with no extension:
– Cap hit this year – $6.9M
– Dead cap next year with post-June 1st cut – $8.2M (2018) and $2.7M (2019)
Total cap hits over first 2 years = $15.1M (compared to $13.7M with no extension) and in 2019 it’s $2.7M vs $0 with no extension.
The extension only works to our benefit if Peters plays in 2018, which looked great prior to the injury and looks like a loss now, but who knows how it looks next season.
How’d much does Jason Peters miss in earnings by restructuring and then getting injured i wonder. .. but i don’t wonder a ton because he’s rich and bet they want to keep him in this franchise as s coach or whatever he wants
Without restructuring Peters would have had a base salary this year of $10.45M with the option to receive a $250k workout bonus for a total cash payout in 2017 of $10.7M.
After restructuring/extending he received an $8M signing bonus and $3M base salary this year with the option to receive a $250k workout bonus for a total cash payout in 2017 of $11.25M.
So he lost no earnings whatsoever…actually he made $550,000 more this year than he would have had he not signed his extension.
In return the Eagles gained $4.8M in cap space this year, which would have been great if he stayed healthy, but causes us to have a pretty big dead cap hit charge next season if he doesn’t come back from the ACL tear.
What is that it … dang that’s like the prefect suma cum laude answer. If you can play lacrosse I’d get you into Penn!
Thank you thank you !!
Good to have plenty of team-friendly veterans on this team. I’ve noticed a lot of these guys love Doug Pederson. They have a really good thing going. The Vets are sprinkled in the roster just right. Seems to have made for a rock solid culture. That will come in handy when we set our sights on the post-season. Never food to be too young of a team when playing for keeps.
They have invested a lot of money in the DT position, but I’m okay with that. I think the three most critical position groups to winning in the NFL are quarterback, offensive line, and defensive line, and the Eagles look set up to be among the best in the league for the next several years at each of them. If you can protect an elite quarterback and give him time to throw the ball, shut down the run, and generate a pass rush with only four guys, you can scheme your way around a lot of deficiencies in other parts of the roster, and the Eagles are well set up to do each of those things.
Hoping the cap keeps going up as quick as it’s been. In two years, Jernigan might look like a bargain.
Outside of Tommy’s continuous high quality analysis, I am blown away at how good Sheil is at his job. His weekly Q&A with Joe Banner is absolutely awesome. This week’s insight into QB evaluation and the 4th and 26 play and how it relates to the Eagles ability to hire Andy in the first place is surreal.
The story about the guys watching the playoff game on the aircraft carrier was terrific stuff.
The Athletic is the first publication I’ve paid for in forever. It’s worth every penny.
Butterfly effect:
– If Bridgewater doesn’t injure his knee last year, the Eagles likely don’t trade Bradford before Opening Day and it is likely Wentz wouldn’t have gotten much PT last year.
– Eagles may have not felt that they were in a position to know what they need to upgrade on offensive or been quite as aggressive as they were last offseason either.
– Wentz doesn’t get a chance to showcase his leadership abilities on the field and come into the year as the unquestioned leader in the huddle on offense.
– Eagles don’t get the 1st round pick and pick up Barnett. Barnett has started slow (~40% snaps in Sept, 0 sacks) but has been playing more (~52% of the snaps last 4 years; 2.5 sacks) as his production has increased.
Imagine the Eagles still could have a winning record right now and be a decent team but hard for me to believe they would be 8-1 or Wentz playing as well as he has either.
Vikings last year likely would have made the playoffs with a healthy Bridgewater and would be a much more compelling team with a more experienced Bridgewater (entering his 4th year). Not hard to see the Vikings as the team that instead might be 8-1 now and the toast of the NFC instead.
Butterfly effect 2:
If Chip wasn’t such a piss-poor (I’m not the GM) GM, and divisive head coach, our skill position players would/could be Bradford, Shady, DeSean, Maclin and Ertz.
Dallas, who wanted to trade up for Wentz, would have Wentz at QB and the Iggles would be posturing for a high draft pick in 2018 as Bradford would be on IR.
What about all the butternut effects that almost but never happened
This is all true, but that’s life. Some people (or organizations) are better prepared to jump when opportunities are available. In recent years, Howie has surveyed the landscape, planned, and rolled the dice admirably. It takes a lot of skill to take the right risks—or even put yourself in a position to make the right risks—in a chaotic world.
Good points, except I don’t think Bridgewater is anything more, athletically, than Bradford. I’d actually say they’re very similar playstyles.
The fact the Wentz is the product of trades with the Vikings and the Browns, I take as the most positive sign of all. Those 2 franchises are actually more cursed than we are.
This from PFF: “The Eagles defense has a combined 226 pressures, which is 53 more than any other defense. There are three teams where the Eagles have more than double the amount of pressures they have.”
Our defenses ability to generate pressure without blitzing excessively while also stopping the run (a credit to our phenomenal front-4) and the outstanding play of Carson Wentz are the two main reasons this team is 8-1. We can lose players everywhere else and we can replace players at pretty much any other positions in FA or the draft without seeing a significant decrease in this teams ability to win week in and week out. But, defensive line and QB are the two parts of this team that are truly driving it’s success (followed closely by Oline).
This is why you pay top dollar for a guy like Jernigan. If you can harass the opposing QB while also stopping the run you can shut down any offense in the league. Add in a top ten QB and you’re a legitimate Super Bowl contender every year regardless of whatever else you do personnel-wise.
Yeah Jernigan’s ability to rush and produce pressure consistently has been a huge upgrade over Logan who had little ability to do so.
Haven’t given up anything really in run defense which I thought might be an issue with Jernigan, Allen seemingly out for a prolonged stretch after the training camp injury and Curry/Long/Barnett at DE.
There hasn’t been a single player on the DL who has played poorly this year. Been pretty amazing and still underappreciated in town.
I’m glad you gave honorable mention to the OL, because 1) 11’s “outstanding play” is made possible, in part, by those guys (even though CW seems to get hit quite a bit) and 2) LJ is having a career year, while Wiz, Kelce and Brooks are working well together.
Technically, this is a career year for Vaitai, too.
Great post
Here is a question – How good a coach is Zimmer?
Seems like the Vikings aren’t getting much respect despite being 6-2 and having a very solid defense again this year.
Zimmer has only made the playoffs once in his first 3 years but had a rookie QB his fist year (Bridgewater) and then had the franchise QB go down with a season-ending injury before the 3rd season even started.
Still 32-24 overall right now and 6-2 this year with a team that has had a journeyman QB (Keenum) start 6 games.
Very good in my estimation.
He’s a really good defensive mind with a very talented unit.
If we played the Bucs, Bears, Packers minus Rodgers, Ravens and Browns? Probably
Good point.
My favorite press conference of the year so far was Mike McCarthy the Monday after the Rodgers’ injury.
McCarthy said the right things and tried to instill that he had confidence in Hundley but you could readily see through it.
McCarthy won’t get fired this year if the Packers go 2-9 or 3-10 under Hundley down the stretch.
I saw Stephen A Smith boldly declare this week that the Packers are nothing without Rodgers. Really bold after another Loss on MNF and they dropped to 0-3 with Hundley at QB.
No shit Sherlock. Amazing ability to have crafted his Captain Hindsight schtick into a national gig with a huge paycheck.
I don’t get how he is even perceived as edgy or provocative. He just says pretty obvious things after they are readily apparent.
McCarthy actually may be on the hotseat according to some packers people i follow on twitter. Hundley was the hand picked backup in year 3. He should be playing better than this also they haven’t tweaked the offense for him at all. Asking your backup QB to play hero ball in the same vein as the most talented QB of all time is stupid.
It’s really a shame that Rodgers has been saddled with McCarthy as a coach.
McCafthy has been horrible for years
And Holmgren another big name and tons of dough but just 1 ring ?? Wtf!# but many thanks to reggie
The bind the Packers find themselves in, is should they fire McCarthy, its more likely they land someone worse. They almost have to have a particular coaching target in mind before pulling the trigger on McCarthy.
I hear Chip Kelly is available.
Bigger fear they grab one of Peterson’s guys
Their drafts lately are reminiscent of AR’S near the end of his tenure.
Thanks for the insight. I figured McCarthy would use the ‘dog ate my homework/my franchise QB got injured’ excuse to his bosses and be safe.
Well, he DOES say them rather loudly…
From memory, Smith knows basketball pretty well, and can have some insights there. For any other sport, he is basically Skip Bayless.
I think they’re just viewed as a boring team
I’m a Zimmer fan. And I think he was extra rude to some idiots on the Bengals the one year they did hard knocks.
A pipe dream but a dream that I’d like to share nonetheless. James Washington has been a draft crush of mines since last year’s draft. He’s the deep threat that we’d need but don’t have a chance on (unless we plant a bong and weed in his room).
https://dynastyfootballfactory.com/james-washington-nfl-draft-scouting/
I actually sneaky love his teammate Marcell Ateman more.
I actually sneaky love Ateman too but not as much as Washington.
I don’t know what it is and I’ve been trying to figure it out for the longest time, but something about Washington bugs me. Maybe it’s being shorter with a thicker build and the number. I’m just not sure about him. Someone on twitter called him Jarvis Landry but good at jump balls, and I don’t know that I disagree.
I don’t know what it is with Washington. He doesn’t look fast but he takes it all the way to the house. I’ve bounced from a slightly faster Justin Blackmon, poor man’s Josh Gordon, and rich man’s Maclin. I’m kind of settling on the Justin Blackmon comparison at this point.
Seeing who is going to still be there for our first rounder this year is going to be fun.
No, no it’s not.
He’d be such a good fit with Wentz. He can get deep but also he’s outstanding running the slant and will obviously get YAC. Also has made one handed grabs. That’s alway sexy.
The article talks about Big 12 WR busts. I don’t really think that is a big deal because of his excellent route running and hands.
I’m kind of looking at a top OG or OT in the 1st though or really this seems like THE year to trade down finally if we can get a good OL especially. I talk about trading down every year but this could be the year I am not kidding ! It might not be though . That is going out on a limb for ya.
I’m all for trading down this year as well. Gotta get depth and maybe replacements for guys that might get cut for cap space. Heck I’m actually ok with whatever they do next draft, Howie/Joe have earned the trust.
Benny Logan. Big loss. Thins out the DL. Ha.
So I’m looking up the Seahawks depth chart to see who’s their backup CB for Sherman and then I saw Dion Jordan on their roster. Dion Jordan and Marcus Smith on the same team. Somewhere in an horrible timeline this would have happened for the Eagles.
Which, of course, means no Lane Johnson.
Jordan’s first game back was last night. He got a sack!
A grand total of 4 sacks in his career!
Lol, great title by Tommy
I’m hoping Tommy goes with “They went to Jared ‘s!!!” Against the Rams lol
Torrey Smith has over 400 offensive snaps, 15 catches on 30 targets with only 1 TD and just north of 230(14 yd avg) yards. Mach Hollins has 118 offensive snaps, 9 catches on 10 targets with 172 yards(19 yd avg) and 1 TD. If it hasn’t already happened, Hollins should probably start to eat into Smith’s snaps at this point.
Wow, Smith’s got last season Agholor numbers.
Wait a minute. What if it’s not the player? What if…the position is CURSED!?
So what you’re saying is..Torrey brought over the crappy WR curse from the Niners with him and is making Alshon, Marcus Johnson suck and is somehow keeping Mack from stealing his job too? Oh god call some exorcists quick!!!!
Or, what if Torrey is absorbing all the dropsies poison, allowing Agholor to thrive? We already know he is a solid team guy.
No. I’m saying whoever mans that position is DOOMED.
Need to call the Scooby-Doo and the gang to solve this mystery!
Smith must stay so Mack can grow!
Damm!! HE DOES LOOK LIKE A DUMBASS NI GGER
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That’s big if true.
Securing TJ for 4 years and watching Zeke’s suspension go forward makes this bye suck just a bit less.
Seems like we’re thanking Howie a lot this year, no?
God bye week media is the worst. So far I’ve seen endless debate about whether we should be happy Zeke is suspended or not, and something about whether Jake Elliot’s job should be in jeopardy with Sturgis coming back.
Yes and no.
Sturgis just needs to cool his heels on the IR for the rest of the year, and then hang out on the roster until we can trade him in the spring.
So, right now, Tom Brady with a 106 QBR, Drew Brees with a 105 QBR, Carson Wentz with a 104 QBR, Aaron Rodgers with a 103 QBR.
Dak’s got a 98. Let’s see where that goes without his running game for a while.
directly into the toilet.
I can see where the Dak hatred is coming from but people have to realize that he will Ben a good QB in the NfCE for a very long time.
C’mon man……… Just let us drag Dak a little here.
Right. Cuz believe me, they do it to Carson plenty on their forums.
I’m not saying he’s not good, but he’s had the benefit of a good line and Zeke. We are going to see what he can do without Zeke…
It’s strange. I’ve seen Eagles fans just assume it’ll be a disaster for Dak, but I’ve been an Eagles fan myself long enough that half the time these predictions about rivals backfire in a huge way.
A lot of people insisted 2016 Dallas was going to be a dumpster fire like it was in 2015, and Zeke was going to be a huge bust. I just don’t understand why people make sweeping statements like that when it can go either way in the NFL.
The parallels between fandom and political sectarianism put me off, to be honest. I don’t like irrationality and hatin’, even from my own side.
Ugh, same here. I’ll read rivals’ blogs sometimes (especially after they lose a game…heh heh), and I hate seeing Eagles fans trolling on there. That makes them no better than the rival trolls who show up on Eagles’ blogs…
ew, Eagles fans do that?
Wait, some QBs have a better QBR than Carson?
That stat stuff is BS!
So we’re looking at
@ Dallas
Bears
@ Seattle
@ LA
@ NYG
Oakland
Dallas
Is going with wins vs. Dallas, Chi, NYG, Oakland, and Dallas with losses @Seattle and @LA enough to mollify everybody here, still get home field for the playoffs, and plausible enough?
As a follow up, I think I can get Rams, Seattle, Vikings, and Saints to 4 losses by……………
Rams lose @Vikings, @Seattle
Seattle lose @ Jacksonville
Vikings lose @Detroit @ Atlanta
Saints lose @Rams @Atlanta
So that gets all of the unworthy to 4 losses and us to 13-3. Now I’d much rather win at LA or at Seattle and have the Dallas game be meaningless week 17.
Amen.
The only game I can see us losing is LA but that’ll be a pretty big upset if it happens. The Seahawks don’t scare anyone without prime Beast Mode and Legion of Boom.
How is losing to LA a big upset? You know they have a higher DVOA rating than us, right? They’re quite legit.
We need to beat Dallas next week and split on the west coast. We will take care of business in the games we should win and that will ensure we own all tie breakers to clinch HFA
NY is the ultimate pointless, meaningless, who-in-god’s-name cares contest, assuming your scenario up to that game holds. So will it be rest the older players, give Wentz a half to reward him for practice…or will the Eagles need that game to seal the deal, assuming your scenario does not hold?
I think beating Seattle is a franchise dream from FO to ball boys. Win or lose that game, LA will get our best the following week. I don’t see CW taking two consecutive losses.
The offense has shown they can put up 26 on anybody, and more-likely 30+ points.
It’s the defense that I would worry about. I am shocked nobody has used the Giants game-plan of short passes negating the pass rush and exploiting the off coverage our CBs employ. Couple that with some deep shots, our secondary could get exposed.
Dallas and Seattle could give our secondary fits since both have QBs that can scramble and extend the play.
The Rams don’t scare me that much as Goff’s highlights all seem to be from a clean pocket. I’m not sure how well he’ll handle the pass rush, assuming the defense can stop Gurley.
Oakland and the Giants don’t scare me at all.
Yeah, I’m not sure why teams aren’t going to that well more. AFAIK, our defense has not solved that problem yet.
I feel old, I had to look up AFAIK 🙁
I am old, and a dirty old man at that. When you guys use acronyms or initials, especially DP, my mind goes in a totally different direction, as far as I know.
Wait, I only know one definition of that.
heh, I spend some time on a writing forum that has a lot of 20-somethings on it.
Do we fly back to Philly after Seattle or stay on the west coast?
Malcolm Jenkins is arguably the best free agent signing by the Eagles since Asante Samuel.
From London ?
Be thankful the front office isn’t swayed by Byrd-brained fans.
> than.
Connor Barwin was about as good, until we went back to the 4-3 (or flipped him to the other side of the field, which he thought affected him more).
I think you could make the case that he’s been a better signing than Asante.
let us see what happens jan
Circumstances and context in that comparison: Samuel, a brilliant QB baiter and soft-handed ball-hawk. Arrived in Philly for Jim Johnson’s last hurrah. Almost invisible against the run, Eagles paid big for his services. Was useful in the PS when wild card (#6 seed) victories vs Minnesota and NY took us to the NFCC in Glendale, Arizona, where we lost a close game. That was the last time the Eagles D had the magic of Jim Johnson steering.
Then two years of a still wet Sean McDermott, followed by Andy Reid’s delusional gaffe whereby Juan Castillo became DC for Asante’s last season as an Eagle. Bottom line, Samuel’s abilities played to Jim Johnson’s strengths as a DC, but the latter’s passing made the former an expensive member of a declining defense. Dawkins was still playing, but he too was on the downswing.
Contrast that with MJ who has none of the fanfare of AS, but is, by any measure a tougher, more complete DB. Definitely not as cocky making a run on a pass, but more physical in coverage and more comfortable bringing the wood. He arrived when Chip Kelly looked like he was committed to restoring the luster to the Eagles D. Jenkins rolled with the Kelly meltdown, and established himself as a keeper well before Kelly was fired. Now he is a wily veteran on a very good defense that has a very good DC. I am so happy for MJ.
Both players have plenty of highlights in Eagles games, but AS never had the opportunity to play for a very good defense on a very good team (in Philly). 2008’s D was good, but not very good, in my opinion. If he was in his prime today, I question whether he’d get much love from Schwartz because he wasn’t quite a shutdown corner, and he was a liability as a tackler.
At this point he looks like the best free agent signing since Runyan.
I actually was going to refer to Runyan, but the huge amount of game changing picks of Asante made the difference.
Asante was a great signing, no doubt. He has over 20 picks in 4 years with the Eagles and was fun to watch.
Maybe it’s recency bias but Jenkins just seems like he’s so much more impactful of the defense and team as a whole.
Nothing against Asante.
I have a feeling Carson is sitting up right now with a big bowl of his favorite cereal watching film on DallAss preparing to carve them up in a week.
Carson eats NFC opponents for breakfast not cereal
He eats pieces of shit for breakfast?
more like super powered smoothie!!
#phillyphilly
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Glad Brady is still playing and Wentz didn’t go to NE. Green looks better on him.
Do you think Mack Hollins will see a significant increase in PT coming off the bye?
I think he will get more playing time. Not sure Doug will make a major change like starting him over Smith or anyrhing. Doug really stuck with Ags last year who was playing some bad football. I think they will try to keep things rolling with everyone contributing. Mack needs to play though.
Good thoughts there. I wouldn’t mind him torching Dallas a few times to the tune of 3/125 lol.
It sometimes looks to me like he’s using packages for receivers. Like, Ags, Smith, Jeffrey will be out, and then he’ll have a 2 TE package with Johnson and Mack.
Possibly because Mac and Johnson are superior blocking receivers. I think if you are in a 2 TE set the chances of the O running the rock are greater.
Idk if these are specific packages/patterns that you noticed or if you are just making an example of substitutions, but if it is the former then maybe that is why.
To make fans like us happy? Sure maybe.
To fix that problem that is hurting the success of the team? Well you’re joking right?
So probably not.
I think Smith has value on the field. His speed makes defenses respect the deep threat. Sure you want him to produce more but we aren’t talking DGB here.
I think Hollins possesses enough speed to stretch the D as well.
I don’t disagree. I still think Smith will continue to play though.
I actually think the coaching staff has done a mid-year evaluation of everybody. Hollins is responsible for that one pick where he cut off his route, from what we can tell he’s looked really good otherwise.
Wouldn’t surprise me if he had a slight uptick in snaps but nothing dramatic. Not like he’s going to get 50 snaps or anything. Maybe more like 15-20 instead of 10-15.
Perhaps
Against the Broncos, Mack Hollins played a career-high 30 snaps. Torrey Smith only played one more snap than the rookie wideout.
Wow. Didn’t see the snap count against Denver. Was just going off his snaps from earlier games.
Interesting to see what they do with him for the rest of the season.
“The relationship between Bill Belichick and Bill Parcells was complicated. Belichick served as defensive coordinator to Parcells while he was coaching the Patriots, Giants and Jets. But to Belichick was Parcell’s coordinator would be a bit of a stretch.
In a feature by Sports Illustrated about the two coaches, Parcells is described as Belichick’s “primary mentor and occasional tormentor.” An example of such torment popped up in David Halberstam’s book, “The Education of a Coach.”
Here’s an excerpt from that book:
There was one terrible moment, during a game, when Belichick called a blitz, and Parcells seemed to oppose it. They went ahead with it and the blitz worked — the other team had done what Belichick expected and not what Parcells had — but Parcells was furious, and over the open microphones in the middle of a game, he let go, “Yeah, you’re a genius, everyone knows it, a goddamn genius, but that’s why you failed as a head coach — that’s why you’ll never be a head coach… some genius.” It was deeply shocking to everyone who heard it; they were the cruelest words imaginable.
That’s cold.”
And this special request goes out to Barry Ignatius Gerald TUNA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9QEAtcz3o8
nice little Wentz vid to get through the bye.
Miss read it. Thought it was going to be all 22 view of the touchdowns, but it was called “all 23” for Pete Morelli counting for the Panthers.
DUMB & UGLY NI GGER APE