Detailed Game Review – SD 33, PHI 30

Posted: September 19th, 2013 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 67 Comments »

Since I’m behind schedule with this, I’ll limit some of my comments on the offense.

One thing did hit me as I re-watched the game…what would people’s reaction have been if the Eagles lost this game to Peyton Manning and the Broncos? Would everyone rip the Eagles D for being so awful or would they praise the offense for making big plays and keeping it close? Clearly Philip Rivers isn’t Manning and the Chargers aren’t the Broncos, but the Chargers also aren’t the group they were under Norv Turner, annual underachievers that left their fans furious. The Norv Turner Watch took place about every year because of how bad they were at times. The group on Sunday played great. Yes, the Eagles were terrible at times, but to not give the Chargers some credit would be silly. That’s one of the best games I’ve ever seen Rivers play. Maybe that was an aberration, but it sure looks like he, Mike McCoy and Ken Whisenhunt can work well together with their passing attack.

I heard more than a few people talking about the Eagles offense and how it was down from Week 1. Really? They put up 30 points and 511 yards. Those are impressive totals. The big difference is that this week the big plays showed up. There was no need to run the ball over and over. Chip told us in the spring that he’s an equal opportunity coach. He’ll run or throw. The Chargers played the run. So he passed.

The Eagles failed to make a handful of plays that could have won the game. I’m not happy about that, but the fact they did it in the second game under Kelly and not the 10th year of Reid does give me satisfaction. We know that Kelly needs time to fix mistakes. He also needs to see the mistakes to know what to fix.

This loss would discourage me if the Eagles were a veteran team making a run at the postseason, but they’re a young team adjusting to new systems and new coaches. That’s not an excuse for the sloppy play, but I do think it had a lot to do with it. We’ll find out going forward. If Kelly is as good a coach as I think he is, the mistakes will start to go away.   


The first thing Chip has to do is look in the mirror. Some rough moments for him.

The challenge on WR’s catch in late 1st Qtr was bad. While watching the game live, I got caught up in the emotion of the moment and wanted a challenge. Seems like Chip did as well. Wasn’t a good decision. Even with the catch, it was still 3rd down. You need to save challenges for more important plays.

Late in the game things got rocky. Chip could have used a timeout to keep Michael Vick in the game. Kelly said in his postgame PC he couldn’t do that, indicating he didn’t know the rules. Whether having Vick in the game for that play would have made a difference is something we’ll never know, but he is the team’s best QB.

Chip also ran a play before the 2-minute warning at the end of the game. He was being aggressive and wanted to attack, but waiting for after the break would have eaten up time or forced the Chargers to use their timeouts. I get his logic, but I’d say he was thinking more like an offensive coordinator than a head coach. He had to think about the defense and whether they could stop the Chargers. Having the clock be more of a factor might have helped.

Some question Chip using timeouts when the Chargers were already in FG range. He was simply extending the game, hoping the Eagles could get the ball back. Sure, it would have taken a miracle at that point, but you can’t get a miracle if you don’t force them to kick the ball back to you. That made total sense to me.

As for the coordinators and gameplans, the offense was terrific. No complaints.

The execution on defense was more of a problem than the plan, as far as I could tell. Davis tried just about everything. Nothing worked with any consistency.


Good, but could have been great. Mistakes cost the team at least 3 TDs. When you’re in a shootout, you can’t settle for FGs or punt the ball away. You need TDs. The Eagles did put 30 points on the board and they have a lot to be happy about, but Kelly is trying to teach the players to be greedy. “Don’t let good enough be good enough.” Why be happy that you scored 30 when you should have scored 43 or more points?


* Ran vs 8-man fronts in the RZ on 2nd series. Got yds, but not TD. Liked the fact that Kelly was willing to stick with the run in the RZ even though he didn’t have the numbers advantage. You must run the ball down there.

* Vick lined up under C and ran very similar play as DJax’s TD from last week. This time the deep cross was open and Ertz made the grab.

* They did use the unbalanced line, but not as much.


* Opened the game throwing. Worked well so they stuck with it.

* Chip Kelly is using other WRs to stretch the D for DeSean. This is great. There were several plays where Riley Cooper ran a deep route and DJax crossed behind him. Cooper stretched the D and gave DJax room to work with over the middle. Reid used to do this with Pinky/TO on some plays. Use the lesser guy as the decoy and feed your star. Later, Reid used DJax as the decoy to open the middle for Celek, Maclin. That wasn’t nearly as much fun.



VICK – Very good game. Could have been a phenomenal game. 24-37-428. 2 TDs, no INTs or lost fumbles. Vick had a clean pocket for most of the game and took advantage of it. He sat in there and threw lasers all over the field. He was deadly over the middle. He put passes on the money and let his guys pile up the RAC yards.

I loved some of his decision-making. He threw 2 passes away and both were smart. He had no one open. He didn’t force the ball into coverage. He didn’t wait to the last moment. He waited a reasonable amount and when pressured, got rid of the ball safely.

He ran the ball 6 times for 23 yards. Numbers should actually look better, but one fumble skews them down. Vick had a key scramble on the final drive that was smart. Protected  himself by getting out of bounds. Ran a couple of keepers in the 2nd half and got what he could, but avoided big hits. The TD was a simple play, but I’m glad Vick kept it and didn’t try to do anything cute. He had a wide open lane to the endzone. Took it. Smart game, in the air and  on the ground.

As for my complaints…the fumble. I’m not happy that it happened, but I can live with that. QBs will lose the ball when they try to stop their throwing motion. What I didn’t like was his reaction. The ball was headed out, but Vick was way too casual for me. Just last week we saw the defense pick up a ball that no Eagle paid attention to and run it back for a score. Vick should have hustled after that ball. Make sure it goes out.

My biggest complaint is the throw to Casey early on. Should have been an easy TD. The play worked. Vick was late in getting the ball off and the throw was low. Vick must make simple plays like that.

He also threw a poor pass to DeSean on the deep ball down the sideline. I said this on Twitter and several Vick supporters got ticked at me. That was a bad pass. Kelly said it afterward as well. Here’s the deal. DeSean lined up way out wide. He did this to get away from the FS. The Chargers were keeping Eric Weddle in the box a lot so that left a single S to help the CBs. The S played the middle of the field. By getting DeSean wide, that leaves a ton of ground for the S to cover. It basically creates single coverage for the CB. Vick is a veteran QB and knows that if the WR is tight to the sideline, the throw must be closer to the numbers. Put the ball inside, where the WR can adjust to it. Vick put the ball on the sideline. Could DJax still have made the catch? Possible, but the point is that Vick did make a bad throw. Move it inside 2 yards and that’s a great throw. And a TD.

There was another deep  ball to DeSean that was out in front of him. I don’t fault Vick on this. He moved outside the pocket and didn’t have a good angle to work with. He put that ball where DJax could make a play on it. The ball was maybe 6 inches too far in front. Can’t be mad about that.

I loved the TD pass to Cooper. Vick put the ball behind him, away from the DB. He gave Cooper a chance to make a play, but wasn’t forcing the ball into a dangerous situation. I want the QBs to give receivers a chance to make plays, especially in the RZ. I also like getting the ball to the big guy down there.


SHADY – Odd game. Only 11-53 as a runner, but had a big game as a receiver, going 5-114. Numbers weren’t great as a runner, but that can be deceptive. The Chargers loaded the box, often with Eric Weddle. He was unaccounted for by scheme, Shady’s responsibility to get by him. This was true on several plays and Shady made Weddle several times, starting with the first run.

Great game as a receiver. Got away from Weddle on the big play. That was a short pass over the middle. Weddle dove and couldn’t make the stop. Then Shady was off to the races. Had screen play in RZ that got us down to the goal line. Caught pass on final drive and used pivot move to break outside and get out of bounds. Smart move.

Had a good block on Vick’s TD run.

B BROWN – Got carry on opening drive. Went outside. Good speed. Had a couple of RZ carries after Shady’s big pass play got the team down there. Wasn’t able to score, but pushed the pile and secured the ball. Didn’t play much, but there were fewer snaps to go around.

POLK – Didn’t see him on offense.


CELEK – No catches and only had one pass come his way. Solid game as a blocker.

ERTZ – Missed block on early run to outside by Brown. His guy, Weddle, made the tackle. Poor technique. Ertz isn’t lazy. He just gets sloppy when he’s out in space and trying to block. He’ll get better when things slow down for him. Caught 2 passes for 58 yards. The long was 31 yds and that came on the play-action pass where Ertz ran a deep crossing route. Great job on 4th Qtr pass. Lined up behind Celek, but both split out. Had a hitch step at the release, which let Celek get separation and drive the DBs downfield. Zach then released into the flat. Wide open. Made the grab, added RAC yds.

CASEY – Limited snaps, but did have a chance for an impact play. Almost made a terrific TD catch early on. Ran a play-action pass and Casey was wide open to the left side. Vick put the ball low. Casey went down and almost got it. Some think he made the catch, but the ball did come free at one point after initial control. Based on the new rules, that’s not a catch.



D JACKSON – Great game. 9-193-1. Career high in catches. 2nd best game for yards. Lined up very wide on some plays. That got him away from FS and put the CB in single coverage. Got his TD like this and almost had a couple of others. Opened 2nd half with deep ball. A bit out in front, but couldn’t make the grab. Inches away from a TD. I love the fact that Jackson is being used as such a weapon by the coaches. They feed him the ball short, medium and deep. He’s making plays after the catch. He’s so much more than just a field-stretcher. Terrific play on the final drive. Caught shallow cross. Used speed to get by DB, turn upfield. Then tip-toed up sideline to get the 1st down. Great balance and agility on that sideline move. I didn’t think he had a chance to get the 1st down, but he sure did.

Blocked well. Great to see him as such an active part of the offense, whether he’s got the ball or not.

Made one critical mistake. Called for penalty on Vick’s TD run. DB pushed Jackson as the play ended. DJax retaliated and got a flag. That forced the Eagles to kick off from the 20 and turned out to be a crucial play in the game. I’m thrilled with DeSean’s play this year, but he’s got to let go of the knucklehead stuff like this. Let the guy push you. Be smart.

AVANT – Used good move to get open on route in early 2nd half and move the chains on 3rd down. Caught pass over deep middle in the 4th. Nice gain. Had some room to run, but D closed to him in a hurry and all I could think was “Get down, Jason!” He scares me when he tries to do too much. Finished the game 4-39.

COOPER – Blocked pursuing DB on Shady’s long pass play. Love that. Drives me nuts when blockers always look downfield and the runner/receiver is then caught from behind. Riley turned back and picked off a tackler. Smart. 2-23-1 as a receiver. Vick hit him with 3rd Qtr pass up high. Riley used his size to make the catch. Also had the TD. Both catches came when Riley wasn’t “open”. Vick seems to trust throwing the ball to him when he’s covered. Give the big guy a chance.

D JOHNSON – Quiet game.

MAEHL – Quiet game.


The OL did a terrific job in pass protection. Vick had a very clean pocket for most of the game. Kudos to the fellas up front for keeping Vick so clean. The run game was more complicated. The Chargers had more defenders than blockers in the box on a lot of plays. The OL did what they could, but it is tough to win a numbers game like that. There is almost always a free defender.

PETERS – Got beaten to inside by DE on opening drive. Guy hit Vick as he threw. Peters had him blocked for a second, but couldn’t sustain it. Very clean game aside from that play.

MATHIS – Quick off the ball on run plays. Helped get flow going. Couldn’t sustain block on DL on pass play on final drive. That guy hit Vick and forced him out of the game for a play. Generally was very good.

KELCE – Pulled to his left and had terrific block of ILB on run up the middle. Good block late in the half. Came on RB screen. Excellent in pass pro.

HERREMANS – Pretty good game, but the sloppiest of the blockers. Beaten by Wynn for sack. Not able to block NT on run to the left late in the half. Play had big potential. Pulled on power play in 3rd Qtr, but missed block of ILB. Guy took a hard inside slant to shoot a gap and got Shady. That sounds bad, but kept his guy blocked for most of the game. I paid a lot of attention to him in the replay.

JOHNSON – Got driven back to Vick on pass play at the end of the 1st half. That forced an incompletion by Vick on 3rd down. Got moved back by Freeney a couple of times, but wasn’t overly bad on those. Gave ground, but didn’t get pushed back to Vick. Was selling out to protect the edge and left himself vulnerable to power rushes. Freeney didn’t get by him much that I saw. Had a critical penalty that wiped out a TD. Was called for not being on the LOS on a play where DJax caught a long TD. Johnson was warned about lining up too far off the ball, but was slow to adjust. Costly error.







The Eagles gave up 539 yards and 33 points. This was an ugly performance. There were multiple reasons for the problems. Right now everyone is focused on the Safety position, but there were issues beyond just that. I think you’re making a mistake if you try to pin this game on one player or position.

Let’s start up front. The pass rush was disappointing. They only sacked Philip Rivers once and didn’t hit him nearly enough. We do have to give some credit to the Chargers. We’re used to Rivers playing in Norv Turner’s offense, which means throwing the ball downfield. Things were very different under Mike McCoy. The top 3 pass catchers were Antonio Gates, Danny Woodhead and Eddie Royal…the TE, RB and slot receiver. Many of those were short, quick throws.

Still, the rush wasn’t good enough. Watching the game, I was mad at Bill Davis for not using enough 4-2-5 looks. Upon re-watching it, Davis did give that look plenty of times. The Chargers blocked well and Rivers got the ball out quickly. Not enough Eagles players were winning the 1-on-1 battles.

Coverage obviously was a major issue. There were blown coverages too often. The Chargers used a lot of bunch sets and Eagles were picked off by each other a few times. This will get cleaned up by the coaching staff, but it was a problem on Sunday. There were some plays where guys just didn’t cover the right player. There were other plays where individuals did a poor job in coverage. There were also a few plays where there was tight coverage, but Rivers put the ball on the money and all you could do was shake your head.

One of the big problems was Mychal Kendricks on Gates. Antonio is a crafty veteran as well as a good athlete. He used good fakes and quick moves to get away from Kendricks. Gates took MK to school in a big way. That will happen to young players when going against veterans. There were a couple of plays where Kendricks was on the ground because Gates got the best of him. And the Eagles did mix things up. Kendricks tried to press/jam Gates. He played off. Gates found a way to get open. The coaches tried other players on Gates, but no one had much success.

The tackling was good in the opener, but a mess on Sunday. The Chargers got plenty of yards due to defenders simply missing the runner/receiver.

There is no question that the Eagles simply lack ideal talent on defense. You could see the physical limitations of the DBs. The frustrating part is that Kendricks and the DL do have talent, but didn’t play well enough.

As far as coaching goes, I do give Davis credit for trying different things. He used the 3-4, 3-3-5 and 4-2-5. There were even a couple of 4-3 looks. The DL stunted at times. Sopoaga would loop outside with the DE slanting inside. It looked like over and under fronts were mixed in. He blitzed up the middle. He blitzed off the edge. He had OLBs line up on slot receivers. Sometimes they would blitz, sometimes they would drop. Nothing worked with any consistency. I’ll share thoughts on solutions in a later post. For now, let’s focus on what did happen.

I haven’t had a chance to check the All-22 yet so it is tough to say much about defensive coverages and adjustments. I thought Davis tried a lot of different things. The problem is that nothing worked well consistently.

One other issue must be discussed. Penalties. There were crushing penalties on Williams and Chung that kept drives going. 3rd down stops were negated by stupidity. I don’t mind a DB being aggressive and grabbing some jersey, but you cannot get a handful of jersey and hold it for 5 seconds. That’s just dumb.


* On the 3rd play of the game, SD had 2 TEs, RB and FB. Only 1 WR. For some reason, the defense stayed in Cover 2. That meant 8 blockers (5 OL + 2 TEs + FB) vs 7 defenders. They ran to the right for 8 yds. Someone has to make an adjustment call on that.

* SD ran play-action pass from simple I-left formation. Looked like ILBs were confused on who had the RB and who had the TE. Woodhead caught a short pass and turned it into a nice gain.

* Opened the 2nd Qtr with a 4-3 look.

* On the first Chargers TD, there were a couple of receivers to the right side. Both DBs played off and then were in each other’s way as they went into coverage. When DBs are to the same side, they normally line up at different depths to avoid pick plays like that. Nate and Hughes were the DBs. Not sure who was at fault. I’m sure most will want to blame Nate, but they would just be guessing.

On a later play, Cary Williams and Earl Wolff had a similar issue, but the pass was incomplete.

* Went with 4-3 look in the 2nd Qtr, but walked Barwin out over slot. 72-97-91-58 was the line.

* TD in the early 3rd Qtr. Looked like the Eagles were in Cover 3. Cary Williams played man coverage and stuck with his WR. That left a zone completely vacated and that’s where Eddie Royal ended up. Nate started to break that way, but Cary was in his way and picked him off. Also, Barwin didn’t have proper depth. He should have gotten deeper to serve as underneath defender for that route. Instead, he was focused on player running a shallow route. Ryans was also on that guy and it was 3rd/10. Barwin should have known to be deeper. These are the kind of coverage mistakes that will happen as players learn a new scheme and each other. Different coaches teach different versions of coverage, even basic zones. The players must be on the same page for them to work.



COX – Helped on Barwin’s sack by driving the RG back into Rivers. Great hustle on the next play, a screen pass. Got outside and helped tackle Woodhead. Was lined up as the NT on run play late in the half. Held ground vs double team and that enabled Trent to hit Mathews and knock the ball loose. Blew up 3rd Qtr run. Worked to inside of blocker and then grabbed the RB as he tried to go by. Good awareness, good hands. No gain. C tried to reach block him on outside run and Cox just drove him into the backfield. Made the RB stay deep, wide. Drove the C back to Rivers on pass play late in the 3rd Qtr. Beat Fluker with inside move and Rivers got rid of the ball quickly. Looped inside on 3rd/10 play in the 4th Qtr and forced Rivers to throw the ball to underneath receiver. That led to FG.

SOPOAGA – Blah game. Didn’t get push on pass plays. Wasn’t difference maker vs the run. Did make one tackle while hustling down the LOS in pursuit.

THORNTON – Had some good moments. Was disruptive at times, on both run and pass plays. Credited with 2 tackles. Disrupted a 1st Qtr run by driving his OL back and then grabbing the RB as he went wide. Didn’t make the tackle, but slowed the RB and led to TFL. Stuffed a 3rd Qtr run play to right side by sliding over from LDE. Gave up a couple of yds, but made a strong tackle. Shed block of C and stuffed inside run in the mid-4th. Got blocked on late 3rd/1 run. Spun off the block and made the tackle, but gave up 1.5 yds.


GEATHERS – Backup LDE. Played some at DT. Awkward. Got pushed to inside on 4th Qtr run play. Did not stand out to me at all.

LOGAN – Backup RDE. Played some DT as well. Tackled Woodhead on 4th Qtr run. Got him as Danny started upfield. Still gave up 5 yds. Failed to do much as a pass rusher.

SQUARE – Backup NT. Struggled to get pass rush early. Got moved 3 yds off the ball by double-team on early 2nd Qtr run. Got moved off the ball on the next play and that created a big running lane right up the middle. Uses his hands well. Love his effort. Just doesn’t have the size/athleticism combo that I like.


COLE – Good game. Better than I expected after watching it live. Coaches lined Trent up over the slot receiver on several plays and had him fly to the backfield at the snap. WR Eddie Royal tried to block Trent on a run play. Trent just pushed him to the ground. After the play Trent was talking to him. I’m sure he was like “Ed, don’t you know big people beat up little people?” Flew off the edge, unblocked, on pass play and dove for Rivers. Philip fired the ball to the flat, but the pass was off target. Made good stop on run play that came to his side. Got off block of OL and tripped up the runner. Drew holding call on Dunlap on the next play. Exploded off the ball and drove King back. Got held as he tried to get the RB. Beat Dunlap late in the half and put Rivers on the ground, but only after the pass was gone. On the next play, Trent got held by King, but fought through that and forced a Mathews fumble. Blew by the LG and was in the backfield instantly, but Rivers dumped the ball to his RB for a short gain. Trent hustled, helped make the tackle. Dunlap had a FS penalty when getting ready to block Trent on pass play. Beat Dunlap cleanly on pass play and hit Rivers as he threw. Pass fell incomplete. Inches away from knocking the ball loose for a strip sack. Fell to ground after using spin move on final drive. Dove for Rivers feet, but couldn’t hang on. Would have been huge play.

BARWIN – Had a tremendous play on the opening drive. Attacked the RT on a pass play. Hit him while he was off balance and knocked the RT to the ground. Barwin then got to Rivers for the sack. Impressive burst, power on the play. Had TFL on run to his side in the late 1st Qtr. Ced blew up the play and Barwin was able to get off TE’s block and make the stop. Blew by Fluker on 2nd Qtr pass play and forced quick throw. Made tackle of Brown after short dump off pass in the late 3rd. Missed tackle of Woodhead in the flat after short pass. Happened on 3rd/4 on final drive and Danny got enough to keep the drive alive. Got pressure in the 4th Qtr on a couple of plays, but was unable to get to Rivers on those critical drives. Credited with 6 solo tackles, sack and TFL.
GRAHAM – Got on the field at ROLB in the 1st Qtr. Played DE and LB. Didn’t get used as much as I wanted, but also didn’t impress when he was on the field. Had pass rush opportunities and just struggled to get into the backfield.


KENDRICKS – Bad game. Mis-read run play on opening drive. Went to wrong gap (for no reason) and run went where he’d been. Struggled with Antonio Gates. Tried to jam him on 1st Qtr pass play and didn’t get a clean blow. Gates broke hard to the outside and was wide open for easy catch. Made sloppy tackle of Mathews on run that came right at him. Reached for the RB instead of attacking him. Overran run on next play. Came right to him, but had started to flow with the OL. Made tackle, but gave up too many yds. Missed easy tackle of Woodhead that should have been for loss. Only gave up a couple of yds, but still bad. Missed easy tackle of Gates after short catch. That would have left SD in 3rd/long, but instead they got a 1st down. Recovered fumble that Cole knocked loose late in the half. Got to blitz off the edge in the early 3rd, but Rivers was able to move up in the pocket. Tripped up RB in the 3rd Qtr and held him to short gain. Good hustle on an outside run to make that play. Gave up 6-yd completion to Gates on 3rd/4. Coverage wasn’t bad, but needed to be better. Gates got just enough separation to give Rivers a target. Made a good 3rd down tackle of WR Brown after short catch on crossing route. Forced a FG. Tried to cover Gates on 3rd/3. Bit hard inside and Gates gave him a shove. That got MK off balance and Gates was wide open for short catch. Got the 1st down.

RYANS – Good game. Made a nice play on early screen. Read the play and got a hand on Woodhead, but wasn’t able to tackle him. MK cleaned up, but only after Ryans had slowed the RB down. Blew up an early inside run by being partient, reading the play and then making a good tackle. Made physical open field tackle of Woodhead after Kendricks miss. Pulled the helmet off Danny in the process of wrestling him to the ground. No penalty. Had big hit on Floyd after catch of the middle. Knocked him out of the game. Floyd left on stretcher, but luckily turned out to be okay. That was the opening play of the 2nd half. Helped stuff a run in the late 3rd Qtr. Knocked OL out of his way and got in on the tackle. Can be such a physical player at times. Tackled Royal after WR screen in the late 4th. Had a chance to make the tackle on Royal’s WR screen TD late in the game but whiffed. Took a false step on the fake at the beginning of the play and that delayed him getting outside to make the tackle. Credited with 9 total tackles (6 solo).

MATTHEWS – Played some OLB. First saw him late in the 2nd Qtr. RB came to his side, but cut up the field before he got near Casey. Hustled downfield on pass play and recovered the ball that Boykin knocked loose from Gates. Got in on tackle on WR screen in the 4th Qtr. Good motor, but nothing special as edge rusher.

KNOTT – Didn’t see him on defense.


ALLEN – Bad game. Got facemask penalty on first play, a run to the outside. Nate didn’t take a great angle on the play and then didn’t explode through the runner. Instead reached for him and got a stiff arm. Responded by grabbing the facemask. Came up and made solid tackle on next play, a pass over the middle. Just looked slow in breaking on the ball so the receiver had time to make the grab. Hurt himself when he tried to hit Gates, but instead got Chung. Only missed a few plays. Had man coverage on Danny Woodhead on 3rd/short at the end of the 1st Qtr. Was slow to get wide and Rivers got the ball to Danny for a short catch and 1st down. Gave up TD in early 2nd Qtr when he and other DB were in each other’s way and Royal was wide open for short pass. Royal then got into the endzone before Nate could get there. Came up and tackled Royal after catch over the middle in mid-4th. King Dunlap got away with holding Nate on Royal’s screen TD late in the game. Gave up completion to Gates for 15 yds to open the final drive. Next play missed easy open field tackle of Gates and gave up 20 yds.

CHUNG – Not a good game. Tried to tackle Gates by diving for his feet, but whiffed and Gates almost scored TD on that play. Flew up the field on run play in the early 3rd Qtr and put Mathews down after short gain. Came up quickly vs 3rd Qtr run play and helped tackle Brown on inside run. Pile still got moved a few yds. Made a critical mistake in the late 3rd. Grabbed jersey of receiver trying to release and was called for holding. D actually stopped the Chargers on that play, making the penalty a back-breaker. Blitzed from the slot on both run and pass plays. Tried to cover Royal in the slot on key 3rd down in the early 4th. Got beat and gave up completion. Then made sloppy tackle attempt and missed. Had good coverage on Royal on next play, a pass into the endzone. Rivers just threw the ball away.

WOLFF – Played quite a bit. Came in late in the 1st Qtr. Helped on TFL on first play. Quick to get involved in a run to his side. Love that. Be active and aggressive. Came up and hit Floyd hard after catch in front of him. Good break on the ball. Sure tackle. Looked like he was slow to get over and cover Floyd on intermediate pass. Williams played off and seemed to expect S help from the inside. Rivers had wide open target for big gain. Looked lost while trying to cover Gates on crossing route. That was the fumble in the RZ play. Flew up on 3rd Qtr run play and hit the RB in the backfield. Slung him to the ground and gave up 3 yds. Flew upfield on the next play, a run, and took on the FB. Earl got knocked on his butt, but helped to disrupt the play. Only minimal gain. Tackled Royal after Chung missed him on pass play. Single-covered Gates on pass play in the 4th Qtr. Helped break up the play. Gates was bobbling the ball anyway, but Earl made sure he didn’t make the catch. Took poor angle to the ball on Royal’s WR screen for TD. Cut under the official and that was too flat an angle. Had chance to tackle Royal but right at the goal line. Missed him. Wolff impressed me overall. Love his tackling.



WILLIAMS – Not his best day. Got off to a rough start. On the 2nd drive, Cary missed an easy tackle on RB Ryan Mathews. Did make solid stop vs Mathews on short pass in the flat to open the 2nd Qtr. Made a beautiful leaping PBU on pass in the early 2nd Qtr, but drew flag. Had a handful of jersey for much of the play. Grabbed jersey on other plays. If they’re calling it, you have to stop doing it. Called for 3 PIs. 2 were definitely legit. Didn’t see good replay on the other one. Gave up a lot of completions. Sometimes had good coverage, but other times was a step or two away. Pressed plenty, but didn’t go bump ‘n run. Not sure why he wasn’t jamming receivers more at the line. Made good tackle of Gates on 3rd/4 to keep him short of the sticks, but penalty on Chung wiped out the play.

HUGHES – Lined up in slot vs Floyd and got beat to the outside for good gain late in the 1st half. Coverage wasn’t bad, but Floyd is so much bigger and the throw was terrific.

BOYKIN – Got the start outside. Pretty good game. Had air tight coverage on WR on 1st Qtr pass play, but Rivers still threw the ball and the guy made the catch. Don’t know how Boykin didn’t hit the ball. His arm was in the receiver’s arms. Great play by QB/WR. Blitzed off the right side on 3rd down at the end of the 1st Qtr. Hit Rivers just as the ball left. Could have been a huge play, but the pass got out safely. Had tight man coverage on Brown on deep ball in the mid-2nd. Pass was incomplete. Made a huge play late in the half when he hustled in pursuit of Gates. Instead of just making the tackle, BB saw the ball swinging and knocked it loose from behind. That prevented either a TD or FG since it was in the RZ. Beaten by Royal on 3rd/7 in the early 2nd half. Boykin seemed to be playing the sticks, thinking Royal would go for the 1st down. Royal turned upfield and got cleanly away Boykin. Royal then made a spectacular catch for a gain of 23. Boykin guessed wrong. Ugh. Broke up 3rd/5 pass to Brown that actually a downfield throw. Came from slot and BB had tight coverage. Gave up short catch to Brown in the late 3rd, but once again had tight coverage. Gave up intermediate completion to Allen on 3rd/7 play in the early 4th Qtr. Critical down. Boykin was banged up on the play and went out, but returned quickly.



JONES – 3 punts. 44.7 average. 1 inside the 20.

HENERY – 3 of 4 on FGs. Hit from 48,. 44 and 32. Missed a kick before the half that would have tied the game. Needs to hit that. Had a chance to make a monster play in the game after the odd kickoff. The ball was fumbled and came right to him, but Henery couldn’t get on the ball. Ugh.

– MISC –

KOR – Damaris Johnson returned 7 KOs. Brought the ball out and averaged 26.6 per KOR. Returns were mostly designed to cross the field. Johnson had moments where you thought he might break loose, but always got stopped. Long return was 33.

PR – Only made them punt once. No return. Ugh.

* The Kickoff…had to kick from the 20-yd line due to DeSean’s penalty. Colt hit the returner and knocked the ball loose. It was right there for Henery to get. He tried to fall on the ball, but couldn’t secure it and it kept going. Jake Knott tried to fall on it, but couldn’t get it. The ball rolled more than 20 yards and was finally recovered at the PHI 39-yd line. Great field position for an offense that didn’t exactly need it.

* Colt Anderson had a strong game. Got blocked in the back on early KO. Made tackle on punt in early 2nd Qtr.

* Matthews made tackle on PR late in the 1st half.

* Chung made good tackle on KO in mid-3rd.

* Wolff made tackle on final KO.



67 Comments on “Detailed Game Review – SD 33, PHI 30”

  1. 1 the midatlantic said at 12:16 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    These Eagles will live and die on a couple plays every game. That’s just the nature of the strong O / weak D dichotomy. Probably puts each Kelly “mistake” under a bigger microscope than most rookie coaches (injury rules pro v. college, who knew or cared until the last seconds this Sunday?).

  2. 2 Phils Goodman said at 12:38 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    The execution on defense was more of a problem than the plan, as far as I could tell. Davis tried just about everything. Nothing worked with any consistency.

    That is not a sign of solid coaching to me. A good D-coordinator doesn’t try everything, he tries things that work. He finds the strengths of his best players and plays to them. This isn’t a loaded defense, but there is some talent to work with. Davis is not near maximizing it. For all of this apparent desperation scrambling, none of it surprised or fooled the Chargers.

  3. 3 Anders said at 3:50 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    We are two games into the season. Give Davis time to try and fix the problems. I doubt even Buddy Ryan or Jim Johnson could get those safeties to play better.

    I still miss Maclin and woulda coulda A Benn. I will say I love seeing a big body WR actually use his big body to catch tough catches.

    He now have like 4 TDs over the last 8 or so games where he had to use his size to catch em.

  4. 4 GEagle said at 7:11 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    What’s this Anders? have you come over to the dark side(anti Nate)???? That would be huge, like when hulk hogan got rid of the red and yellow and turned to the NWO

  5. 5 Anders said at 8:25 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    I still think Allen gets faulted more than he deserves, but he should not play deep safety.

    Funny is Allen could be a valueble nickle/dime safety to man cover TEs (the few times he have been in man cover on a TE, he have blanketed him this season), but cant seem to play zone at all.

  6. 6 47_Ronin said at 12:14 PM on September 19th, 2013:

    Ironically, coming out of college Allen was a very good center field/zone FS, good ball instincts, he finished his career at USF with 9 ints.

  7. 7 GEagle said at 7:19 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    I doubt Davis was at fault for Mykal, Boykin and Meco tipping there hand early enough in the play clock for Rivers to audible into something that shreds us…

    I was excited about this defense because I felt that with the element of surprise that a well disguised, well rounded blitzing team with this talent would put pressure on QBs…Davis called everything. And his guys were poorly executing and giving up the element of surprise….

    When I say Billy was out coached, I don’t really mean it in game, I think Wisenhunt beat him during the week of Prep. Mykal practicing against different routes that gates ran in the game…but IMO the main problem was how they handled the slow play clock…Davis can’t practice every single day against Kelly’s offense, at times they need to slow the pace and practice against scout teams who are trying to milk the play clock. LBs. eed to be Discaplined and wait til right before the QB snaps the ball to show their blitz

  8. 8 anon said at 10:13 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    I think this is something that a good coach would have recognized and changed. If your defense is not getting home, and your players think the calls and blitzes are being read, you gotta change it up.

  9. 9 GEagle said at 11:25 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    Uhhh, he did change it up, he tried practically everything you could possibly try in one game lol…we had like 3 players who executed….you can’t put this one all on the coach….He tried so many different things and nothing came close to working

  10. 10 47_Ronin said at 12:29 PM on September 19th, 2013:

    I think your thoughts and some of points in the replies to this post warrant a longer discussion, maybe sometime in the future after a few more games we’ll get a better feel for Davis and the players that the Eagles dress.

    But I have a lot questions on Davis, and to follow up on some of your points on maximizing the talent – ok Davis tried a lot of looks and pass rushes, but I have a hard time believing that using Sopoaga as a pass rusher is maximizing. Sopoaga is NOT a pass rusher this is evident, look back at SF tape and how they used him, same goes for Clifton Gathers. The Eagles should have had their best pass rushers available for the Chargers (the Chargers run game was an obvious non-factor).

  11. 11 shah8 said at 12:58 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    Soooo….with Trent Richardson garnering a first round pick, I wonder just how valuable Bryce Brown is…

    I figured the Thursday Night game had to play hell with your schedule, so I appreciate the time you took to complete the game review.

  12. 12 Anders said at 3:40 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    I think Trent been a former first round pick still holds much higher value even tho his numbers aint very good.

  13. 13 GEagle said at 7:07 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    everyone assumes they go QB, but with if that already stacked defense added Clowney? And then uses the colts pick to trade up around the 15th pick and grab a QB?

  14. 14 Anders said at 8:21 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    I think they go QB then WR. Defense is good enough, they need a QB badly and a WR opposite Gordon.

  15. 15 aub32 said at 10:49 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    Tampa will likely see what they have in Glennon before trying to trade for Foles

    I agree that if the Browns are bad enough they will go another position before picking up a QB, but I definitely think they go QB and keep Weedon as an “old” veteran backup.

    Trading Foles will be hard this offseason with the draft seemingly full of potential stud QBs. I think the only chance of trading him is if Vick misses a game or two, and Foles plays lights out. However, I would prefer to see what Vick could do in 16 games in this offense.

  16. 16 GEagle said at 11:28 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    you know Foles is my boy, so I really don’t want to trade him at all…but if Vick stays healthy for 16 games he is going to get extended, so what’s the point in having Foles for two more years on the bench, when I’m sure Barkley can grow into an adequate backup with all these pieces around him….the only way I would want to trade Foles, is if they plan on going up to get Marriotta…we would have to get some trade picks back do trading Foles then, becomes a no brainer to replenish the draft picks we lost

  17. 17 aub32 said at 1:08 PM on September 19th, 2013:

    I still don’t get what exactly you see in Foles. He’s not horrible, but he’s not special, and he has turnover problems without the upside of being highly athletic or the ability to dictate the game from the pocket like a Peyton Manning.

  18. 18 SteveH said at 1:35 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    There was one additional deep ball Vick missed to DSJ. I know this because I had Diamonds on my neck starting on all my fanduel teams.

  19. 19 livingonapear said at 2:08 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    Kelly not knowing the rule on timeouts doesn’t bother me so much because it differs from college rules. So it’s not “We can tie? Hmph never thought about that before.” There’s a reason for it, he knows now, problem solved.

    I’m still annoyed at the Eagles receivers for getting out of bounds and not fighting to stay in. Fight for those yards, but try and angle yourself in.

    This is the first time in a long time wherein my mindset on the final drive was “Yeah, we ARE going to score a TD.” and if Vick doesn’t get bodyslammed, I think we do. This is the first time in years where I have felt that 9/10 times we win in that situation. Okay, 7 out of 10, but that’s better than 3 out of ten.

  20. 20 Jamie Parker said at 2:37 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    Why does it seem that the definition of a catch in the end zone is different than on the sideline? In the end zone if you catch the ball, roll over 15 times and then get up and throw the ball in the air it’s not a catch. On the sideline it seems that as soon as the ball hit your hands it’s a catch. This has been bugging me since Chris Carter was making sideline catches in MN.

  21. 21 JJ_Cake said at 2:39 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    Big positive is no eagle got injured in this game.

    On defense, maybe not having fletch play cb due to last weeks injury made it tougher on the defense? But I agree, pass rush wasn’t successful. Also seemed like we couldn’t cover gates and royal.

  22. 22 aub32 said at 10:51 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    I think the Fletch injury really hurt us when it came to coveing royal. It seems we only have 3 guys who are not big liabilities in coverage. With Boykin on the outside, that leaves no one capable of covering Royal inside.

  23. 23 GermanEagle said at 3:31 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    I may be in the minority here but the pass to Casey was OK. In fact Vick placed it where only Casey could catch it, which he should have. Maybe Vick should have put the ball right in his Numbers but nevertheless Vick had an outstanding game, not only a very good one. Seems more like nitpicking to me. 😉

  24. 24 Media Mike said at 5:35 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    You are in the minority. Unless you’re on the 24/7 blog. The Vick fluffers over there jumped down my throat for saying the same thing about the Casey pass and the 3 DeSean missed passes.
    The correct throw to Casey would have been to flip the ball over the two DBs to the corner of the endzone where Casey could run it down, not the down and inside slider.

  25. 25 GermanEagle said at 6:39 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    Desean should have caught the one he had his fingertips on. He also admitted this after the game.
    Also one of the overthrown passes came under heavy pressure when Vick was rushed to let it go because of Freeney in his face.
    The one which was out of bounds was the only clear miss, although even that may have been caught if Desean had adjusted his route along the sideline a little.
    All in all it was one of the best all around games of Vick I have seen him playing for the Eagles.

  26. 26 A Big Butt and a Smile said at 7:36 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    Yeah. People keep discounting that 2 of the Vick to DeSean passes came under heavy pressure.

    1. He was getting hit
    2. He escaped pressure after a defender got a hand on his hat but still had to throw earlier than he wanted ’cause heat was coming.

    There’s a awful lot of nitpicking going on. The Washington game – there were like 3 passes he sailed with no pressure…just erratic throws. All on him.

    This game not even close. maybe one “bad” throw and even that one DeSean coulda made a play on.

  27. 27 A Big Butt and a Smile said at 7:33 AM on September 19th, 2013:


    You are in the minority. A low catchable pass is..catchable. He put the ball where no one else could make a play on it. AND. Casy. CAUGHT. IT.

    But okay.

  28. 28 mheil said at 5:47 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    On a side note, I was upset when they cut Shepard and kept Maehl. Maehl has been active in both games and has yet to make a play on O or ST. Shepard made a ton of plays in ST in the preseason. It’s becoming more obvious that this was a really bad decision.

  29. 29 Media Mike said at 5:49 AM on September 19th, 2013:


  30. 30 GEagle said at 7:00 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    Can’t wait to find out todays innactives

  31. 31 aub32 said at 11:00 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    Acho?? Really?? What exactly would having him have done to help this defense? Can he play safety? I doubt it. I also doubt he would have had any better luck at covering Gates.

  32. 32 Anthony Hart said at 10:57 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    This fanbase needs to learn to let go of the bottom of the roster guys, we always, ALWAYS, overrate the hell out of them. Our ST play has been phenomenal, I really don’t know how much more you could ask from them. You really think keeping Shepard to be a gunner provides any legit boost to the team?

  33. 33 mheil said at 2:24 PM on September 19th, 2013:

    I agree that STs have been great, but not because of Maehl. He was in for 2 or 3 plays, compared to 25 for Knott, 26 for Anderson. If he was any good, he would be playing. Shepard as a gunner, and member of the kickoff Team would make them even better. We kept and signed several bottom of the roster players because of ST but released our top ST player in the preseason.

  34. 34 aub32 said at 10:59 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    To be fair, you can’t say just because Maehl hasn’t made a play on STs that he isn’t a good STer. We only made the Chargers punt once, and you can’t tell based on the tv broadcast what he’s doing as far as blocking his man on KOR. I think Kelly deseves the benefit of the doubt here. He said he kept certain players for STs. That group looks terrifc, especially when considering how awful it was last year. So to say other players should have been kept is an uninformed decision that you are basing solely on what you saw against backups.

  35. 35 A Big Butt and a Smile said at 7:31 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    Casey dropped that ball. He caught it. He dropped it. Wasn’t on the QB in the slightest.

    And for the upteenth time. Nothing on offense caused us to lose this game. We scored. SD scored. Unless our defense was all of sudden going to stop SD from scoring than you might have an argument. Otherwise you’re complaining about a lot of nothing.

  36. 36 since1961 said at 7:52 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    We’ve known from the summer (even the Spring) that the offense would have to outperform to offset weaknesses on D. More, getting/keeping the lead changes the SD offense mindset a bit, the need to catch up puts a bit of pressure in their heads. Tommy: “Very good game. Could have been a phenomenal game.” That’s completely fair.

  37. 37 TommyLawlor said at 11:41 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    Let’s put it this way. SD’s offense outplayed our offense. Does that make sense to you?

    Good numbers are nice, but they weren’t good enough to win. Needed better.

    Obviously the defense is the primary culprit. No sane person would argue that. Point is, there are games when the D struggles and you must win a shootout. The offense didn’t do that.

  38. 38 eagleyankfan said at 8:16 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    I really thought D. Johnson and Casey would have more of an impact. Its early I guess.
    Um, if the offense was Peyton … then the defense would have been a lot tougher than SD’s….

  39. 39 knighn said at 8:22 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    Speaking of poor defense: saw your EaglesBlog on Nnamdi:

    What the hell happened to that guy?! He was supposedly a Shut Down Corner at one point! How did he become so useless?

  40. 40 Anders said at 8:25 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    overrated combined with getting old?

  41. 41 BlindChow said at 10:18 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    QB’s started throwing at him?

  42. 42 aub32 said at 11:03 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    He came over to the NFC where there are more than just two good QBs. Watching Nnamdi I noticed he’s more of a shadower. He focuses solely on his man and never even tries looking back for the ball. There are too many QBs in the NFC that will take advantage of that in the NFC.

  43. 43 GEagle said at 11:31 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    No, that’s just how he has played since losing all his confidence. Now it’s like he guards WR like a basketball player would play defense trying to deny his man from getting the ball. he has lost all confidence, so like Nate he doesn’t even try to make a play…Nnamdi’s back is now always to the play, but he didn’t used today the game like that

  44. 44 TommyLawlor said at 11:39 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    He got old and his speed went away quickly.

    Also benefited from his time in Oakland due to the fact they faced so few passes (most teams had the lead and ran on them).

  45. 45 knighn said at 8:27 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    Oh, and I heard somewhere (though didn’t have a chance to verify this) that only 10 of Chip Kelly’s 51 games as Oregon’s Head Coach ended with a score within a TD. Maybe Chip needs to get used to Close Games too!

  46. 46 TommyLawlor said at 11:38 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    This is a real concern.

  47. 47 Cheat Sheet: Eagles Defense Vs. Chiefs Offense | Birds 24/7 said at 8:50 AM on September 19th, 2013:

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  48. 48 P_P_K said at 9:32 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    DeSean doesn’t screw up royally and commit that bonehead penalty, and the ball doesn’t bounce away, then we’re 2-0.

    Also, Andy’s return: cheer or boo?

  49. 49 Christopher Miller said at 9:55 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    I will be pissed if the cheers don’t outweigh the boos. It was time for change but the man gave us a lot of competitive years.

  50. 50 P_P_K said at 11:38 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    I agree. I was wondering if the crowd will cheer or boo, a la Donovan.

  51. 51 Tumtum said at 9:46 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    I was of the school of thought that the Eagles should of started calling T.Os sooner than they did at the end. I don’t recall after which play it was exactly but it was before they were in field goal range (the red line anyway). There was maybe 1:36-1:40 on the clock. Figured if the O could get the ball back with :45 they would really have a chance to do something.

  52. 52 Bdawkbdawk said at 9:50 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    I’m not sure why Chip keeps getting ripped for that challenge. It might not have worked, but it was a contested play that could have put our defense in an advantageous situation. In a game where we only forced SD to punt once, I’d take 3rd and 12 above 3rd and 3 any day.

    The value of challenges is a little over-stated. The NFL reviews all ruled TDs and Turnovers automatically and often swallows the whistle on contested plays because they know they will be reviewing them later. Further, we run an up tempo offense that makes timeouts (particularly in the 1st half when a team can’t run down the clock for a victory) slightly less valuable.

    I think burning the challenge and timeout for our defense is a fine use of resources. We need all the help we can get. Fine process, slightly crappy results.

  53. 53 TommyLawlor said at 11:38 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    Fair enough.

  54. 54 Ben Hert said at 11:46 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    My only caveat to this attitude is that is applies to the first half only.

  55. 55 Christopher Miller said at 9:53 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    I am curious what happened to the versatile weapon we thought we had with Damaris.

  56. 56 TommyLawlor said at 11:37 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    He’ll be used. Gameplans are done week to week. Defenses will adjust to what we do and Damaris will be a counter-move at some point.

  57. 57 aub32 said at 10:41 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    There are 3 things I wanted to note.
    1) Was that challenge by Kelly really a bad thing? I get you want you challenges for important plays, but what if there aren’t any calls to go wrong later. Then you missed an opportunity to help the defense, who needed every bit of help they could get. I have heard this criticism by you and others, but I argue that moving the ball back on that play changes the entire dynamic of the down. The down went from a run/pass situation to a guaranteed passing down, Sure we didn’t stop it either way, but as a coach cutting what you have to account for in half on a third down is crucial, again I stress with this defense in particular.

    2) I am not excusing Chip for not waiting until the 2 minute warning, because he should have, but is there a chance that he simply forgot about it in the heat of the moment. There is no 2 minute warning in college. So it may not have crossed his mind when planning his next move that sitting on the ball would just result in a TO to better plan you RZ attack. I think time management issues, the play Vick had to miss, wnd other little things should also be blamed on Shurmur. He’s been in this league far too long not to have said something to Kelly. Again, Kelly should have known as well.

    3) I may be nit picking here, but Casey has to make that catch. I get the ball was not perfect, but he was uncovered and it was a lob. Also, the fact that he initially was able to make the grab is further evidence that he is at fault on that missed TD opportunity. I get if you or I were out there, but Casey is being made good money to take advantage of opportunities just like that. Also, I have read from others that had Vick not placed the ball low, it had a chance of being batted down. I have not had a chance to rewatch this however. Your thoughts?

  58. 58 TommyLawlor said at 11:37 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    I re-watched the pass to Casey 8 to 10 times to make sure I was being fair. Bad pass. Should have been an easy TD. The ball was catchable, but required a difficult catch. Any time you go to the ground, that adds a definite degree of difficulty.

  59. 59 mksp said at 10:47 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    OT, but you just *know* that Banner is going to get Mariota somehow. His middle finger to Philly after Chip said no to Cleveland (I know thats not how it was spun, but come on….).

  60. 60 Anders said at 10:48 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    Mariota is not a Norv Turner/Chud type of QB. They would want Bridgewater or AJ McCarron.

  61. 61 GermanEagle said at 10:49 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    Bridgewater is already a Brown.

  62. 62 Anders said at 10:50 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    You think the Browns will be worse than the Jags?

  63. 63 GEagle said at 11:32 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    banner is so obsessed with us, that Id consider trying to flip him Foles for his high 2nd round pick…lThen would have a QB that doesn’t have to start from scratch and they would have two first round picks to get help for their QB

  64. 64 Adam said at 10:47 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    Tommy do you think that based on the way this offense works, that having Cooper out there is better than Maclin? I understand that Maclin is far and away a better receiver and is more talented, but Cooper is a better blocker and he’s excelling in that role this year.

  65. 65 Anders said at 10:49 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    Consider we are using 3 WR set the most right now. I think having Maclin over Avant and Benn (remember him?) over Cooper would make us more explosive and still give us good blocking.

  66. 66 GEagle said at 11:35 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    If Benn stayed healthy, I really believe he could have had a monster year in this offense..

  67. 67 TommyLawlor said at 11:35 AM on September 19th, 2013:

    Not necessarily. Kelly has gotten some players to change. Look at how DJax has improved under him. Mac might have become an improved blocker and receiver.