Weird Time

Posted: December 22nd, 2014 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 414 Comments »

The season is over. But it isn’t.

There is a final game to play against the Giants. But nothing is really on the line. There is the difference in finishing 9-7 or 10-6. There is the desire to end a 3-game losing streak. And sweeping the Giants is never a bad thing.

As an outsider, the logical thing is to look ahead to 2015 and think about the advantages of playing some young guys. The problem is that’s not how most coaches think and certainly not Chip Kelly. His focus is on beating the Giants. That means no Jaylen Watkins. No Matt Barkley. And so on.

I do understand where he’s coming from. The best teams in the league are extremely competitive. Players fight to win jobs. Playing time is earned. Kelly doesn’t want to send the wrong message by rewarding potential over production.

Kelly is very much a believer in process. You practice the same way over and over. You develop habits (hopefully good ones). You don’t change what you do for a better or lesser opponent. Consistency is key. It makes total sense that this type of coach would approach a “meaningless” season finale as he did other games. You want players to remain focused. You don’t want them picking and choosing when to prepare and when to compete.

It is frustrating to think that we won’t get to see Matt Barkley. No one expects him to be great and some revelation, but it would be nice to see if the guy looks better than last year. Instead, we get more of Mark Sanchez who we all ready know about. If Barkley hasn’t played well enough in practice to show he’s even with or better than Sanchez, I get Kelly’s thinking. That doesn’t make it any less frustrating for us outsiders. We aren’t seeing them in practice. We don’t know what Barkley looks like right now, good or bad.

* * * * *

This is going to be a strange week. There aren’t compelling topics about the game, but I’m also not wanting to go into full offseason mode. We have about 7 months of that. I’ll write something on the Skins game. I’ll write some kind of Giants preview. I may mix in some stuff that touches on offseason topics.

I do think it is important to let a bit of time go by in order to make some clear judgments. I saw a Saints highlight today and it hit me that they’ve had a nightmare season. And they’ve got a Super Bowl winning coach, an elite QB, a special weapon in Jimmy Graham and so on. That team will finish with fewer wins than the Eagles.

It feels miserable to Eagles fans right now for a couple of reasons. Going from 9-3 to 9-6 is bad. You never want a losing streak, but one in December is just crushing.

And seeing Dallas benefit from this collapse is truly sickening. Nothing is worse than Jerry Jones with that smile on his face and Tony Romo with that Gomer Pyle grin on his. Ugh.

There is no question that this season ended badly, but we do need some perspective. This isn’t a team that is devoid of talent and this isn’t a team that underachieved significantly. The Saints went from Super Bowl contenders to 6 wins. It is possible that Mark Sanchez could finish the season 4-4 and Drew Brees 6-10. That’s hard to comprehend.


414 Comments on “Weird Time”

  1. 1 GermanEagle said at 9:15 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    I am actually fine with sticking to our starters. Also do you really think one game would change the following notion:

    We don’t know what Barkley looks like right now, good or bad.

    right, I don’t think so…

    Let’s beat the Giants and finish the season on a lesser unbearable note.

  2. 2 fran35 said at 10:04 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    Usually agree with you. Not sure I agree with this one though. Some of the hubris on this team (coaching, secondary) has me thinking back to the end of Andys tenure. Andy refused to bench players and Chip the same. I really honestly can’t listen to anyone who attests that there is not a better player on the bench than Bradley Fletcher. These young guys cannot be worse – and that is for certain. Roc Carmichael is probably better.

  3. 3 GermanEagle said at 10:42 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    My aforementioned post should have excluded Bradley a Fletcher of course when talking about ‘sticking with the starters’. Mea culpa.

  4. 4 Tyler Phillips said at 10:44 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    Chip is going to start fletcher out of pure stubbornness

  5. 5 Daniel said at 11:22 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    Hope he doesn’t start him at Cornerback. Maybe at waterboy.

  6. 6 MagsMightyMutt said at 6:21 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Amazing how people see the couple of bad plays and miss the 35 plays that were fine.

  7. 7 fran35 said at 10:56 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    Noted. I also wanted to mention – but didn’t want to get pilloried- that I would personally like to see Polk start over McCoy. I think he is a better all around runner and will keep sanchez in manageable 3rd down situations. Let’s not forget that mccoy has left both qbs in 3rd and long situations all season long by his refusal to get up field and bury his head into the defense.

  8. 8 GermanEagle said at 11:11 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    Noted. And not disagreed.

  9. 9 anon said at 11:41 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    Polk stays hurt, probably why he can’t get more usage. Plus the more you use them the less effective he’ll be. It’s as much about the blocking as the back.

    Just like Vinny Curry is way less effective with more snaps, same with Brandon Big Boy Gram.

  10. 10 EAGLES said at 12:30 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    But he’s not hurt now.

  11. 11 DarthBanner said at 1:20 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I think you start polk because there is literally nothing to gain my starting McCoy other than injury. You think the Fanbase is souring on Chip Kotite now, imagine if McCoy blows out a knee in a meaningless game.

  12. 12 fran35 said at 1:23 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Yikes. How dare you now put the Chip Kelly Rich Kotite comparison in my head during the holiday season. I am going to go drown myself in the punch bowl……

  13. 13 xeynon said at 7:45 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I completely disagree. The team already blew this season. There is no redeeming it at this point. Beating the Giants will do zero to erase the stink of this choke job.

    I don’t want to see any more of Mark Sanchez, and I don’t want to see Connor Barwin, Mychal Kendricks, Fletcher Cox, etc. blow out a knee and set themselves back for next season.

    This game is utterly meaningless and there is nothing to be gained and much to be lost by going all out to win it.

    Boo to Chip Kelly.

  14. 14 GermanEagle said at 3:51 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I guess we’re happily agree to disagree then.

    You play to win the football game. That’s how I see it.

  15. 15 xeynon said at 4:01 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I think you play to win the Super Bowl. A higher pick last year could’ve meant Haha Clinton-Dix instead of Nate Allen playing safety these past three games. A higher pick last year could’ve meant making the playoffs this year. A higher pick next year could mean a better chance to win games that matter. A win against the Giants means nothing.

  16. 16 GermanEagle said at 6:35 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Again. I disagree. Merry Xmas.

  17. 17 xeynon said at 8:09 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Same to you. All I want for Xmas is that the Eagles not lose valuable draft position by winning a meaningless game. Fortunately if Chip insists on running Bradley Fletcher out there again to cover Beckham I don’t think I have much to worry about.

    You (and Chip) had better hope there are no serious injuries that impact next season.

  18. 18 GermanEagle said at 8:28 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Let’s keep fingers crossed.

    Have a great time with your family and let’s all hope the Eagles come back stronger than ever.

  19. 19 eaglespur said at 7:27 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Major fan of Greg Popovich here and I agree with your point. Pop seems to measure almost everything with one goal in mind, win the NBA final. Sure, the NFL is only a 16 game season, but I think your longer-term thinking does make sense for this game. I guess the bigger goal for NFL owners is: “entertain the fans right now”, and most NFL fans probably feel that way too. Look at the sixers, they are in extreme rebuild mode, and I believe most sixer fans buy-in on that plan.

  20. 20 nopain23 said at 9:21 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    no worries if we lose out. better draft pick. cue the down votes.

  21. 21 xeynon said at 7:48 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    No down vote from me.

    Unlike most football coaches, I look at these things completely rationally. If you can’t win this season, you might as well set yourself up to win down the road. Knowing more about the young guys would be helpful for that, and a better draft pick would be helpful for that (people say two spots doesn’t matter, but last year it would have made the difference between trading down for Marcus Smith or drafting Haha Clinton-Dix or Brandin Cooks).

    I WANT them to lose this game.

  22. 22 Flyineagle45 said at 7:48 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Better draft picks so we can pick someone who was probably on everyone’s 5th rd board in the first……..

  23. 23 Henly125 said at 9:32 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    Can’t wait to see Odell this week.

  24. 24 sonofdman said at 9:39 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    I can’t wait to see Bradley Fletcher covering him one on one with no safety help!

  25. 25 anon said at 9:40 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    we think our receivers can stay with them.

  26. 26 Henly125 said at 9:44 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    It’ll be a good matchup. Fletcher has played well this season.


  27. 27 truehaynes said at 11:35 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Its gonna be weird rooting for him this week but he is gonna be my big money player in all my fanduel leagues so I’m hoping for 15 catches 200 yards and 4tds. Heres to chipper not benching fletcher

  28. 28 Insomniac said at 8:58 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    My estimates for ODB..250 yard 3 TDs. I hope we lose so hard that Chip has nightmares of ODB torching whatever CB we put on him for days.

  29. 29 Sporran said at 9:33 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    Chip Kelly’s job isn’t (or shouldn’t be) to “win football games.” It should be to win Super Bowls. This is the first time where I have vehemently disagreed with him. He is making a decision which hurts his chances of winning a Super Bowl, and is therefore wrong.

  30. 30 teltschikfakeout88 said at 9:33 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    Tommy…..if the Cowboys finish 12-4……you can bet your ass people will be saying this is Romos year to get to the super bowl……if it happens all our heads will explode…….while this week is strange, unfulfilling and kinda sad for us Eagles fan… can get worse if the Cowboys go deep into the playoffs or worse get to and win a super bowl……kinda like the damn Giants getting hot in 2011 super bowl…….

  31. 31 EAGLES said at 12:34 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    If they have to meet the seahawks I doubt they win. We’re the only team since November 23rd to score double digits on them which is insane.

  32. 32 Anders said at 3:42 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    How on earth did we score double digits on them with Sanchez? Worst part is we could easily have scored 10 points more if Sanchez was Sanchez

  33. 33 teltschikfakeout88 said at 9:34 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    No….I do not want to finish the season on a four game skid…… about choke jobs…….

  34. 34 Henly125 said at 9:45 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    With Sanchez at QB, don’t be surprised.

  35. 35 xeynon said at 7:50 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    How does winning a completely meaningless Toilet Bowl against the giants make you feel any better?

  36. 36 levdog said at 9:35 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    No way i would never want my team to win. Its not a meaningless game. First of all it is against the Giants. 2nd the team needs to win especially after losing 3 in a row. So u as a Eagles fan will root for Eli Manning so they can have a better draft pick. No f-cking way. YES of course i will feel better to win sunday.

  37. 37 xeynon said at 9:48 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    It is a COMPLETELY meaningless game. It’s against the Giants? So what, they suck this year. If they win and we lose it means a better draft pick for us and a worse one for them so it’s ultimately better in the long run to lose. The team needs to win after losing 3 in a row? Why? Either way their season is over when the game is done and either way the end of this season is a massive disappointment and there’s no way the stink of choking away a division title is coming off it. Next year is a new season with a new team and what happens in this game has zero to do with it.

    I am not going to root for Eli Manning. I am not going to watch the game at all – I have better things to do with my time at this time of year than watch Mark Sanchez and co. try to win a glorified exhibition game. But if the Eagles lose, I will not be disappointed at all. Moral victories are worthless to me.

  38. 38 levdog said at 12:56 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Yes if u are not a true fan you should not watch the game or care if they win or lose. You remind me of the fair weather fans who only root for the team when they are winning. Do me a favor and don’t watch next year because they might not be in first place all year or make the playoffs.

  39. 39 xeynon said at 1:13 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Buzz off.

    I’ve been following this team for 30 years and watched every minute of the 1994 Kotite meltdown, the 1998 3-13 Ray Rhodes death march, and the 2012 4-12 Andy Reid farewell seasons, so I assure you you’re in no position to judge my commitment as an Eagles fan. If they were going to play the young players in this game, I’d watch.

    I am a person with with other interests and responsibilities, however, and I have better things to do with my time (ESPECIALLY around the holidays) than spend three hours watching guys who won’t even be on the team next year like Mark Sanchez try to win a loser bowl against the Giants.

  40. 40 eaglespur said at 7:31 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    first time here. agreeing with your posts. I’ll give you a reason to watch eagles vs gnats: giants fans are pitying the eagles for the loss to the girls

  41. 41 anon said at 9:41 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    Bengals running read option, zone read plays all over denver tonight, looking a a lot better than we do.

  42. 42 Henly125 said at 9:44 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    Yup. Even with Andy Stinky Dalton.

  43. 43 Tyler Phillips said at 9:52 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    Well, They do have a big play RB, which we do not

  44. 44 oreofestar said at 9:56 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    Better wrs and a way better defense, probably a better QB too

  45. 45 anon said at 9:57 PM on December 22nd, 2014:


  46. 46 Tyler Phillips said at 9:59 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    I was half-joking, Kinda like the Eagles this season

  47. 47 oreofestar said at 10:01 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    Damn son

  48. 48 Insomniac said at 11:01 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    Hill is huge. Almost as big as Brandon Jacobs was.

  49. 49 Allen3000 said at 9:58 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    I think what makes it equally as frustrating is the fact that Dallas’s defense has looked markedly better than ours despite having half the talent. How does that happen? I know they are extremely vulnerable, but it’s crazy to me how they’ve played this year. I thought they’d be epically bad. Not so. Can anything be learned from them?

    I’m not sure how Chip can continue to put blind faith in Fletch. Does he not realize that our defense has eroded as of late and Fletch is the chief culprit. D.C. scored a total of 13 points in the previous 2 games. They had lost 6 games in a row and appeared to be a team in disarray. Yet we somehow managed to let them have their way with us. 2 of D.C.’s 3 highest scoring games came against us this year. That’s putrid.

    I saw a stat earlier today that put us in a rare category. At 9-3, teams have a 97% chance to make the playoffs. Yes, we didn’t flop like New Orleans. But to say this season wasn’t a disappointment is extremely disingenuous.

    This probably needs it’s own post to address, but a few quick q/s/observations:

    What happened to the screen game? Why did we fail to get Shady going in the passing game all season? What has been up with Sproles’s sudden disappearance. He was our MVP at the midpoint, but has been really quiet as of late. Why has Chip been so quick to abandon the run all season long? I thought that was his bread and butter.

  50. 50 oreofestar said at 10:00 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    Their defense is on the field for Half the time ours is less time to get fatigue and exposed

  51. 51 47_Ronin said at 10:48 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    Exactly, Dallas’ defense looks better than the Eagles b/c having a 2,000 yard rusher and another legitimate MVP candidate QB on offense helps cover defensive shortcomings. Add to that the Eagles D has basically played an extra game in terms of snap count.

  52. 52 Knucklehead said at 10:07 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    The screen game has been one of the most worrying trends this season. With rare exceptions they haven’t worked at ALL. Most of the time defenses aren’t just limiting them to short gains, they are blowing them up and tackling the rb for LOSSES, and aren’t fooled at all. Kind of makes you wonder if there’s something to what I’ve heard from a few people that have been defending us-that the offense is predictable.

  53. 53 anon said at 10:20 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    we showed it soo much during the preseason, that part was over, fake screens would have been nice. But no downfield game it’s hard for screens to work.

  54. 54 bill said at 9:11 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Sanchez’s inability to get it 10 yards downfield combined with some poor OL play and the occasional “Cooper” (runner refusing to use the sidewalk) or “Shady” (runner dancing around in the open field instead of getting positive yards) – all played a part in the failure of the screen game as the season wore on.

  55. 55 EAGLES said at 12:39 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    The way to stop the eagles is have Sanchez throwing the ball for you or to have the players not execute just like every other offense in the NFL. We had guys running free vs even the Seahawks. There’s still no real answer to Kelly’s offense, all about execution not scheme. He creates mismatches and steady one on ones, just gotta beat your man. Nothing he’s doing is really anything new either, play action off zone run game isn’t anything new. He’s doing things that have been around a long time. He dresses up plays nicely though with his universal formations, confuses defenses to where they don’t know what’s really coming til the very last second. Seahawks and 49ers can say they know what’s coming, many good defenses know that. It’s called play diagnosis before the snap. And it happens against every offense in the NFL, otherwise qb’s or defenses wouldn’t have to adjust and realign pre-snap.

    We’re the only team other than I think the 49ers last game that actually scored a TD vs the seahawks, that’s like a month worth of games that no one could get in the end zone, but we did. Sherman just talks a lot of shit even when he’s wrong, we had guys open and they didn’t solve shit. Since Nov 23rd only 3 touchdowns have been scored against the Seahawks, rest are field goals. We had 2 of those 3. 49ers and cardinals couldn’t do shit twice in that span, I bet the cowboys can’t either. They’re the best defense in football.

  56. 56 D3FB said at 12:17 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Dallas defense: 5.8 yards per play
    Eagles defense: 5.3 yards per play

  57. 57 Mitchell said at 12:19 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    And that’s with playing a ton moar plays. We have the base just need the top end. It’s coming together.

  58. 58 Tyler Phillips said at 8:02 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Dallas has also given 3 PPG less than us, and that’s what Chip says it comes down to, but okay that’s not significant.

  59. 59 D3FB said at 5:09 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    They face far fewer plays, and turnovers have put our defense is some ridiculous situations artificially driving the number up.

  60. 60 Joe Minx said at 1:53 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Can anything be learned from them?

    They have a coordinator who actually knows what the hell he’s doing?

  61. 61 Tyler Phillips said at 10:18 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    I do wonder who we will cut/restructure. Lots of candidates. Serious issues that need to be addressed

  62. 62 oreofestar said at 10:35 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    Well Casey, Williams, Cole, Herremans,Ryans are in serious danger of potentially being cut and cutting those.guys would save you nearly 29mil plus guys like Shady and Brent probably need to rework their deals

  63. 63 D3FB said at 12:14 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    There’s no chance Shady reworks his deal.

  64. 64 Anders said at 3:40 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I could see Shady get more money up front for a lower annual or a deal similar to Cole (aka wont ever see the last 2 seasons)

  65. 65 Jernst said at 2:09 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I just don’t see a need to restructure McCoy. With so many candidates, like Williams, Ryans, Casey, Herremans and Cole, prime for restructuring or outright release and a bunch of cap space rolling forward from this year in addition to the cap rising, we could be looking at somewhere between 20-40 million in cap space and Maclin as our only must resign. Should be more than enough to extend Cox, Kendricks, Thornton and possibly Boykin if he still even wants to be here. Just no need to restructure McCoy, add dead money to 2016 and 2017 and create animosity. I really think only two things will happen with McCoy: traded or he stays status quo.

  66. 66 Media Mike said at 5:04 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Correct. And there also might be no chance the team wants to rework Shady’s deal. If that deal stays as is, Shady’s 2016 and 2017 numbers make him able to be cut if they wanted to after the conclusion of next season. Adding future dead money problems by reworking deals is not what the Eagles do.

  67. 67 Weapon Y said at 10:24 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    This offseason will be far more interesting than the last. Lots of decisions to make. QB and secondary being the top two. Lots of aging veterans who could be cut. This offseason will affect the Eagles for the next few years and possibly decide the fate of Chip Kelly.

  68. 68 anon said at 10:32 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    CB, QB, DB, ILB, OLB, OL.

  69. 69 Insomniac said at 11:02 PM on December 22nd, 2014:


  70. 70 Guest said at 11:13 PM on December 22nd, 2014:


  71. 71 Mitchell said at 12:09 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I’m tentatively at Wayne’s and Coates with my first 2 picks.

  72. 72 Anders said at 3:39 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I skip WR for an OL, ILB, OLB or safety in the 2nd if the right guy is there

  73. 73 Mitchell said at 10:25 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Coates is always the right guy in the second though :). Ideal situation is being able to grab 2 second rounders somehow but that’s always an ideal situation.

  74. 74 Insomniac said at 9:03 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    If Green-Beckham is there in the 2nd, I would take him in a heartbeat. I hope Waynes puts on like 10 pounds before the draft. He’s too thin.

  75. 75 eagleyankfan said at 8:14 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    you(most of you) really think the Eagles brass is sitting there thinking “omg, we have to address the QB”? You think that’s air your breathing?

  76. 76 phillychuck said at 10:46 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    I share Kelly’s belief in process, but part of the process has to be critical self-evaluation. Why is Bradley Fletcher still playing, or at least still being assigned 1 on 1 deep coverage without help? Why isn’t the screen game working? Where are the running backs (especially Sproles) in the passing game? What if the 2-gap 3-4 is not an ideal defense in today’s NFL? Why wasn’t Cooper benched earlier in the year when he was playing terribly? etc.

    I’m off the Kelly bandwagon. I don’t think he has what it takes to be a Superbowl winning coach. He’s not self-critical enough, and too loyal to underperforming vets. And, as stated elsewhere in these comments, hre’s starting to make lots of bad decisions that reek of arrogance. Why wouldn’t you play Smith II and Barkley this week? Every snap they get gives you more information that might be useful in winning games that matter.And players, despite what they say in public to support their buddies, understand this.

  77. 77 anon said at 10:54 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    I think he’s very self-critical. It’s hard for you to really say otherwise. If you look at the all-22s on most of these sites you’ll see the problems are execution, he can’t play for the players. Maybe he’s naive to think players can execute his plays, but he can’t get new players mid season, all he can do is hope that through repetition and study and doing all the right things that they’ll play better. Now maybe you need better quality players, that’s something they’ll have to evaluate in the offseason, but who would have predicted that after last year we’d have a year like this year.

    QBs missing reads, missing throws, turning the ball over, players fumbling, wrs fumbling, blockers missing blocks and the defense is letting up 30pts a game.

  78. 78 phillychuck said at 11:06 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    The evidence for being self-critical isn’t very strong. A self-critical coach benches Fletcher or changes the scheme. A self-critical coach benches Cooper a while ago. A self-critical coach changes plays that his team can’t execute. A self-critical coach figures out how to get the screen game going again. Etc.

  79. 79 D3FB said at 12:12 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    And he does it all in midseason because that’s totally possible.

  80. 80 Tyler Phillips said at 8:13 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Because nobody ever considers benching non producing players. Players in the NFL are starters until they die or get injured BC continuity trumps competency. Sounds like a good way to lose.

  81. 81 DanJ3645 said at 8:33 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    And who would he have benched Coop for?
    Huff – injured / not ready based on game film.
    Matthews – has only learned slot position
    Brad Smith – I’ll take my chance on Cooper…

  82. 82 Tyler Phillips said at 8:39 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    When you are already getting terrible production, it’s always good to stick with that terrible production.

  83. 83 Mitchell said at 12:15 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Who do you want him to put in for Cooper? Brad Smith? It’s not his fault Nate doesn’t have the instincts to roll himself to Fletchers side. He bites on fakes too much.

  84. 84 Gary Barnes said at 1:52 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Well maybe he should not have let Jackson go then or, better yet, worked with Roseman to replace him with another WR of a similar skill set…most understood that Cooper benefitted from having Jackson stretch the field and it certainly is Chip’s fault if Smith, Maehl & Huff were the only other options on the roster…he put the roster together and has final say on who is on it.

    And yes, again, Chip made the choice to keep Allen and play him even when it was clear he was not up for the job. Again having backup S like Maragos and Wolff are not good enough especially when you know Allen may not be able to carry the load.

  85. 85 Mitchell said at 10:29 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    No other safeties available. I dnt think Chip thought Pooper would be THIS bad. We are getting the same numbers out of Maclin as we did Jackson and better numbers from Matthews than Avant but Pooper is just so bad. #SammieCoates

  86. 86 Tyler Phillips said at 8:15 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Cooper might very well be the worst starting #2 WR in the NFL

  87. 87 Mitchell said at 10:24 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    He is.

  88. 88 Gary Barnes said at 1:46 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    But again Chip was heavily involved in PICKING these players or keeping the ones he inherited…if they continue to fail to execute, the coach MUST hold them accountable and put someone else in who CAN execute the plays correctly…if that player is not on the roster, than he needs to look in the mirror and figure out a way to scheme his way out of the problem until he can acquire the player he needs. There must be constant adjustments between and in-games. The same issues should not be allowed to occur week after week after week like they have this season.

  89. 89 Media Mike said at 5:09 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    There are a ton of issues to flame Chip, Howie, and BIlly over for this choke of a finish, but none of it adds up to me wanting to say I don’t trust the organization to continue to improve.

    If I have to give a draft pick into their 3rd season to make a judgement on their value, I can do the same for a front office regime.

    If were not at 11-5/12-4 and a division titlist next year at the same time, there needs to be some more drastic things done.

  90. 90 Insomniac said at 10:59 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    Chip has done well but not great. He didn’t inherit a roster like the Raiders and he didn’t get a team like the Broncos either. He’ll have two drafts behind him now next season. So far his remolding of the foundation isn’t very pretty. We can really start worrying when Chip continues to ignore patching up the defense in his 4th season.

  91. 91 anon said at 11:14 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    He’s 10-6 and hopefuly 10-6. Yes we can’t beat good teams, that sucks, but we couldn’t beat teams in the years before he came either. He’s a college coach, it’s going to take him a few years. What’d you expect when you’re playing half the year with your backup QB, the other half with no o-line.

  92. 92 Tyler Phillips said at 11:16 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    We really just played the whole season with 2 different backup QBs.

  93. 93 Anders said at 3:38 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    So Kelly ignored defense, that is why he drafted bought in guys like Barwin and Jenkins (and Williams/Fletcher), drafted Logan and Smith high? That is why Cox and Kendricks is now playing at a pro bowl level?

  94. 94 Insomniac said at 4:33 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Anders. Just because you put a bandaid on a bullet wound doesn’t mean it’s being addressed. Chip needed players to fit his new scheme and he went out to get them. You’re crazy if you think this defense doesn’t need a new secondary and improvements.

  95. 95 Anders said at 4:54 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I never said otherwise, but saying he is ignoring it also stupid. Currently we need at least 1 more safety and 1 more CB (I think one of Williams/Carroll is fine if we can draft a guy like Waynes or get Kareem Jackson or Maxwell in FA)

  96. 96 Insomniac said at 9:07 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    No it isn’t stupid at all. He saw first hand at how much the secondary sucked. No changes were made until it was too late.

  97. 97 Anders said at 7:46 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Okay, who should we have drafted (with zero captain hindsight) in the first 2 rounds then?

  98. 98 Insomniac said at 8:35 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    Why are you bringing up the draft? Chip started the same two CBs when one was desperately struggling and contributed heavily into losing the game. You’re kicking the strawman to death here.

  99. 99 xeynon said at 7:54 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    The defense needs further improvement, yes. But to say Kelly has “ignored” it is ridiculous. You can only rebuild so much in each offseason.

  100. 100 Insomniac said at 4:13 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Please tell that to the Broncos.

  101. 101 Buge Halls said at 9:59 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    He inherited a 4-12 team. What’s the Raider’s record again?

  102. 102 Insomniac said at 4:09 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    That team was also 8-8……before 2012.

  103. 103 GermanEagle said at 11:13 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    What’s up with all these stupid personal fouls and even brawls lately?! Where is all this anger coming from?

    It’s xmas for christ’s sakes… #%!^+*’$¥#!*

  104. 104 Media Mike said at 5:11 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    My anger comes from 1960, 1975, 1983, and Ruben.

  105. 105 Avery Greene said at 9:35 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I have to step away from the Phillies for a bit. I haven’t been as angry with a team since the Sixers brought in Eddie Jordan and they were going through their issues with Stefanski as the GM.

  106. 106 Tyler Phillips said at 11:15 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    Eagles schedule next year isn’t difficult. Perfect time to break in a potential rookie QB and still compete. But what will actually happen is we will play foles until he gets hurt then tread water until our secondary gets obliterated again. Hopefully with a secondary that has a lot of continuity but very little skill if we are lucky.

  107. 107 GermanEagle said at 11:16 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    Sin #8:

    Never project next year’s schedule based upon this year’s performances.

  108. 108 Tyler Phillips said at 11:18 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    Sin 8

    Going into your 3rd season without a real QB and no idea what you are doing in the secondary.

  109. 109 Mitchell said at 11:20 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    Lol. You have no idea of that. Remember at the beginning of the season when we thought we had no pass rush?

  110. 110 D3FB said at 12:11 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I mean franchise QB’s grow on trees too, you can’t forget that. Lockdown corners, and franchise QBs, practically the two easiest things in the NFL to get.

  111. 111 Mitchell said at 12:17 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    No. I know that, duh. We’re probs just gonna jump up for Mariotta.

  112. 112 D3FB said at 12:21 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I mean just give em a like a 3rd rounder and Vinny Curry for Mike Evans, Gerald McCoy and the first overall pick. If Howie can’t get that done then he should be fired.

  113. 113 Mitchell said at 12:23 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    That would be a sick deal though. How about Curry this year though. Double digit sacks?!?! Do you still trade him for a hot pick? Like what 3rd/4th. He has the potential.

  114. 114 D3FB said at 12:27 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I don’t trade him. He doesn’t fit here long term, but another year of pass rush off the bench & a compensation pick > what you would likely get for him in a trade.

    If we got a contributor who fits better here back along with a fringe top 100 pick I’d consider it.

  115. 115 Mitchell said at 12:28 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Trade for Dion Jordan?

  116. 116 D3FB said at 12:34 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Josh Evans and a fourth.

  117. 117 Mitchell said at 12:46 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Who is Josh Evans? From the Jags?

  118. 118 D3FB said at 12:47 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    yep, go watch the matt elam tape. Then watch the safety next to him.

  119. 119 Mitchell said at 12:50 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Give me a 3rd and we’ll talk. 🙂

  120. 120 Anders said at 3:37 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Curry is worth at least a 2nd and in theory, a 6-3 280 pound 10+ sack guy should be worth a 1st for a 4-3 team

  121. 121 Mitchell said at 10:30 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I think a second is fair. It’s just always tough to drop a 10+ sack guy, no matter the circumstance. In fact I wouldn’t even think about it if it wasn’t at least a late second.

  122. 122 Jarock said at 8:29 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    You realize we have a few fans who actually believe this is possible? 😛

  123. 123 oreofestar said at 9:52 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    No ones that dumb

  124. 124 Insomniac said at 1:52 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    They do on Madden so like.. that’s real life’re already wrong!!

  125. 125 Tyler Phillips said at 8:29 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Who said lockdown corners? Just looking for competency and accountability. Foles Gold threw a wrench in what they thought they had at QB. I’m not blaming them for that altering how they viewed QBs in the last draft. I’m not saying fire everybody. I just don’t want Chips Tenure to go to waste.

    Quit being a prick.

  126. 126 GEAGLE said at 9:26 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    In defense of D3FB, I know what it’s like to be a starved eagle fan dying for a good Eagle debate, and find my self reading 75% innacurate nonsense from fellow fans and media.. It can get frustrating

  127. 127 Avery Greene said at 9:32 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I don’t understand them talking about trying to trade up to get Winston or Mariotta.

    I’m not a draft nik, but the Skins paid three 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder to move from like 8 to 2.

    We are 18 right now and would have to move up to top 5. So outside of the starting bid of at least three 1st rounders, to move up it would seem like we’d have to give up Novacare, Lincon Financial, and possibly Lurie’s firstborn child.

  128. 128 oreofestar said at 9:49 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Atlanta moved from 27 to 6 for Julio and gave up less there is no science to it

  129. 129 Avery Greene said at 10:06 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I think Julio was picked the year before RG3. I think Snyder has upped the ante and teams will want to get the compensation StL got.

    Sal Palantonio said that to move up, the GMs he was speaking to said the bidding starts at three 1st rounders.

  130. 130 D3FB said at 5:06 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Yea that’s what people who argue don’t understand. The top two teams need QB’s. The team picking fifth needs a QB. There simply isn’t enough to give.

  131. 131 xeynon said at 2:19 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I agree with that, but that sword cuts both ways. No talking about difficult some game on the Eagles’ schedule next year is going to be based on how good a team was this year.

  132. 132 GermanEagle said at 3:49 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Totally agree.

  133. 133 Henly125 said at 11:32 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    A lot of us list QB as a need, but don’t mention any possible names/targets? Any draft targets not named Mariota you’d like us to get? Hundley? Sims? Petty?

  134. 134 Mitchell said at 11:34 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    I can just see Hundley getting knocked out very early in his career.

  135. 135 Henly125 said at 11:36 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    Im not really a fan of Hundley. However I do like Bryce Petty.

  136. 136 Mitchell said at 11:38 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    Ditto on Hindley but I saw Petty throw ball after ball over the head of his receivers. I haven’t watched a ton of qbs but I haven’t seen one I really liked.

  137. 137 Henly125 said at 11:48 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    Yeah he has some issues with his mechanics. This QB class sucks, man.

  138. 138 Mitchell said at 11:55 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    This last draft might have been ok for qbs.

  139. 139 Media Mike said at 5:12 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Correct. That guy is a little short in the brains department.

  140. 140 Weapon Y said at 12:29 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    All 3 look bad IMO. Mariota will cost more than the Redskins paid for RG3. Stick with Foles. If possible, trade for RG3 for cheap as a backup. Not the ideal situation, but the optimal choice. Either Foles or RG3 could return to form with more coaching from Chip. Go all out for cornerbacks and safeties in free agency and the draft.

  141. 141 Mitchell said at 12:30 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Probably need another WR and some line projects as well.

  142. 142 Weapon Y said at 12:32 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Another WR is needed but maybe not as needed as you think. I see Huff emerging as a legit WR next year. Ideally, Cooper is gone, but we have to wait a year for cap reasons. Fine with the top 4 as it is now, but want a fourth guy to eventually replace Cooper. Definitely need OL projects but big-time draft prospects might have to wait another year. Might be stuck with lower-round players. Maybe luck out and get another Kelce.

  143. 143 Mitchell said at 12:43 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Sammie Coates. That is all. I forget about Pooper because he is such a pooper but probably a decent 4th WR.

  144. 144 eagleyankfan said at 8:16 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Legit as in a number 3? Maybe. He’ll be functional. If he’s our number 2, we’re in for a long season….

  145. 145 Henly125 said at 8:58 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Huff has the upside to be a good compliment to Maclin on the other side. He just lacks the height, but his aggressive playing style can make up for that.

  146. 146 Weapon Y said at 1:57 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Matthews is the real number 2 even if he is the slot guy. Huff should be the third receiver (the other outside guy). This is all contingent on Maclin coming back.

  147. 147 Henly125 said at 9:03 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Agree. Especially on the interior. Todd Herremans is just about done. You figure Mathis has a year or two left, at most. RG will be a problem for the foreseeable future. We’re set at Center and Tackle. Peters is aging, but he’s a freak of nature and has some time left.

  148. 148 Henly125 said at 9:01 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I sure hope so too. I Get the feeling the offensive side of the ball will get more attention again this offseason, Based on the teams offseason history.

  149. 149 xeynon said at 7:57 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I am not taking a first round QB. Too many other glaring needs (CB, S, ILB), and I still think Foles has a shot.

    I’ll look for a developmental guy in the 3rd round or so, but nobody in the top two rounds.

  150. 150 Tyler Phillips said at 8:32 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Developmental guys at QB work out close to 0% of the time. Dont waste that pick on a QB if you can help it.

  151. 151 oreofestar said at 8:40 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Honestly if you don’t trade up for Mariota or take Hundley in the second and you refuse to take s sliding Winston there is not much else unless you like Grayson mid rounds

  152. 152 xeynon said at 9:37 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Trading the farm for a top pick so you can draft a supposed can’t miss QB prospect often fails to work out as well, and if you swing and miss (e.g. RGIII) you set your franchise back half a decade, rather than merely blowing one mid-round pick.

    I’ll take a chance at finding the next Wilson or Brady over a high risk gamble like trading up for Mariota.

  153. 153 Tyler Phillips said at 9:42 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I have full faith that if Chip wanted to move up and grab a top talent guy(I.e. Mariota this year or someone else next year)he wouldn’t fail.

  154. 154 xeynon said at 9:54 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I have faith that he’d do it. I don’t have any faith at all that it would be the right move, and I don’t see why I should. Historically pushing all your chips into the middle of the table on one guy has not been a smart move. Like I said, if you do it and that one guy isn’t a stud, it’s more than a failure, it’s a franchise-wrecking disaster. Even if it succeeds, you have a franchise QB, but too many holes in the roster around him and not enough draft picks to fill them.

    It’s not a good way to build a team.

  155. 155 Tyler Phillips said at 10:06 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Permanent purgatory of no titles. Or maybe getting a QB that opens your title window indefinitely. One way you maybe get a title out of. The other you will never win a title with

  156. 156 xeynon said at 11:05 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    That would be a good argument, if there was any evidence whatsoever for it.

    Let’s look at the last 15 SB champs (since 2000).

    # of teams who won with a franchise QB they drafted after having a bad season (i.e., they did not have to surrender assets to move up in the draft): 5 (05 Steelers, 06 Colts, 07 Giants, 08 Steelers, 11 Giants)

    # of teams who won with a mid or late round pick at QB: 4 (01, 03, 04 Patriots, 13 Seahawks, throw in the 99 Rams with Warner – an UDFA- if you like)

    # of teams who won with a veteran retread at QB: 3 (00 Ravens, 02 Bucs, 09 Saints)

    # of teams who won with a late first round pick at QB: 2 (10 Packers, 12 Ravens)

    # of teams who won by making a massive trade-up from the end of the first round to draft a QB: 0.

    On the other hand, we have evidence of such tradeups wrecking the ability of teams to compete over multiple seasons just down I-95 in Landover.

    Doesn’t seem like at at all a good strategy to me.

  157. 157 Avery Greene said at 11:18 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Giants traded up to get Manning, because he wasn’t going to play in SD. Outside of that point taken.

  158. 158 xeynon said at 11:48 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    They traded a 1st and a 3rd, and the Chargers also got a franchise QB out of the deal in Rivers. That’s a bit different than devastating 3 entire drafts to move up for a guy the way the Redskins did with RGIII.

  159. 159 Avery Greene said at 11:55 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I may have misread it – as they stayed put rather than trading up a spot or two. I’m not disagreeing with your point, only pointing out that they did move up. And you’re right, they didn’t give up the farm either.

  160. 160 Tyler Phillips said at 12:21 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Lol no you don’t get to queue up the Brady anamoly. Sure lets hope we can land a top 5 QB in the mid late rds.

    Brees as a merely a veteran retread is laughable. Dude has half the 5000 Yd passing seasons ever.

    1st rd QBs rule the day and its not even a question.

  161. 161 xeynon said at 12:28 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Brady was an anomaly, granted.

    Brees WAS a veteran retread at the time the Saints signed him. He’d been injured/mediocre in San Diego, had Rivers drafted to replace him, had one good season, and then hurt his shoulder. He was a decent NFL quarterback with question marks around him at that point, not yet the surefire Hall-of-Famer he is now.

    It is easiest to find a franchise QB with a high first round pick, clearly. The point is, the Eagles don’t have a high first round pick, and they can’t get one without completely torpedoing their ability to fill holes on the roster for the next several years. It is not a viable way to build a championship contender for a team in the position they are.

  162. 162 anon said at 11:35 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    I’m crying watching how well the bengals are playing in a big game.

  163. 163 Mitchell said at 11:39 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    Our day will come grasshopper.

  164. 164 RobNE said at 7:23 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Love that show

  165. 165 Mitchell said at 10:31 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I love you?

  166. 166 jpate said at 11:39 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    Just heard they benched terrance newman after he got beat few times and his replacement just got a pick 6.

    Benching a corner…what a novel concept

  167. 167 anon said at 11:40 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    Sacks, pick sixes, etc. defense is doing it’s think. I seriously doubt if we played the broncos again that it’d look a lot different than it did last year.

  168. 168 D3FB said at 12:08 AM on December 23rd, 2014:


  169. 169 Mitchell said at 12:18 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Lol. He finally snapped.

  170. 170 D3FB said at 12:22 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    The last 48 hours.

  171. 171 Mitchell said at 12:25 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Jesus lol. It’s a rough time here as the season ends. People are upset and probably should be but there’s no need to go to such lengths of firing coaches and all that jazz. We need more talent which takes time. Simple as that.

  172. 172 D3FB said at 12:45 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    It’s mainly that it’s essentially just a tidal wave of:
    -Chip Kelly is arrogant
    -Chip Kelly is glib with the media
    -Chip Kelly owes the fans an apology
    -Change for the sake of change
    -Chris Polk (who everyone wanted cut 4 months ago) should be playing more than Shady
    -We dont run the ball enough (except that Shady has the second most carries in the league, and we are 7th in rushing attempts)
    -Mel Kiper didn’t talk about Marcus Smith enough, and as captain hindsight I wanted player XYZ (notice all the CALVIN PRYOR SCAREZ PEOPLEZZZ have gotten real quiet, as has the Dee Ford crowd)
    -Nitpick of offense
    -CHIP KELLY ISN”T A GENIUS!!! SCREW CHIP KELLY! (I apparently missed the messianic and conceited press conference where he said this, instead of blaming the journalist who wrote shit like that to get pageviews, lets hold the coach personally responsible. And then get mad when he’s defensive with the media)

  173. 173 Mitchell said at 12:48 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Yeh I hear ya. Some are in panic mode for some reason. I mean I’m disappointed but I’m willing to see this through for a while.

  174. 174 Insomniac said at 1:47 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Calvin Pryor is playing? Whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

  175. 175 JC said at 1:47 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I wonder what the reporter actually said when Chip responded with his “smart ass” reply? I couldn’t really hear it. I would call that getting offensive with the media cause he asked the media a question… lol

  176. 176 Tyler Phillips said at 8:33 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    It was McLane

  177. 177 Weapon Y said at 2:03 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    McLane’s a tool. He acts like he can coach the Eagles. Captain Hindsight.

  178. 178 Media Mike said at 5:14 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I still think the third item is valid. And I bet we get it from him on Monday after the Giants game.

  179. 179 D3FB said at 7:34 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    The flipside of that coin is Jay Gruden, and that’s actively hurting a team, as opposed to being a mild nuisance to fans.

  180. 180 since1961 said at 2:14 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    How could you forget ‘smug’?

  181. 181 JC said at 1:42 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Lol… Mel Kiper… he’s a loud mouth, media caricature. If is wasn’t for the short-attention span, sound bite addicted viewer/reader he would actually need to do some real research.

  182. 182 anon said at 1:51 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    bengals don’t have glaring holes on that defense

  183. 183 D3FB said at 2:19 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    They’ve also been playing the same defense for for what 12 years?

  184. 184 Henly125 said at 11:51 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    That defense really showed up tonight

  185. 185 anon said at 11:50 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    Dalton 17/25 for 2 TDs and one pick. Win over Broncos. That same stat line has lost us games against WAS and DAL.

  186. 186 Henly125 said at 11:53 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    Good defense in the secondary sure makes a difference, especially against a QB like Peyton.

  187. 187 anon said at 11:54 PM on December 22nd, 2014:

    Sad thing is we’ll never have guys like pacman jones, vontez berfict, etc.

  188. 188 Anders said at 3:54 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    and neither of them is the reason why that defense is good.

  189. 189 Pennguino said at 12:27 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I think Madden had ten 10 win seasons. I always thought that was impressive. I want that 10-6 record for the Eagles this year for 2 years in a row.

  190. 190 Media Mike said at 5:16 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I do as well. Winning begets winning. And I hate the Giants. I’m still livid over the choking away of our division title, but just throwing out a bobo patrol vs. the Giants doesn’t really help anything.

  191. 191 xeynon said at 7:59 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    A better draft pick and more info on the young players helps. A meaningless win over the Giants does not.

  192. 192 Jarock said at 8:21 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I for one would love to see them play the young kids but still come out and try to win the game. Also, I worry more about veterans mailing it in than young kids getting their first opportunity.

  193. 193 xeynon said at 9:39 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I’m not saying they should intentionally lose the game. By all means, try to win with Barkley, Marcus Smith, etc. Just don’t risk the vets’ health trying to win a game that means nothing.

  194. 194 Weapon Y said at 12:39 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I just don’t see how Nick Foles is not next year’s starting QB. Mariota will cost WAY too much to trade up for. Winston too, and he has some major red flags. The rest of the QB prospects are terrible. All of the free agent quarterbacks are terrible.

  195. 195 Media Mike said at 5:18 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    And Mariota is a guy who should be in an apprenticeship system for a year anyway in order to work his way into NFL passing concepts.

    You’re correct on Winston being the human red flag.

    Foles, no matter who the guy we sign as a backup, should be made to compete for the QB job in camp rather than being handed the starting job again. I hope that helps him bring the correct focus and drive to clean up the flawed technique he demonstrated far too often this year.

  196. 196 DanJ3645 said at 7:20 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Based on this season’s performances I’d say Foles > Sanchez.
    So he did ‘win’ the competition to start.

  197. 197 GEAGLE said at 8:48 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    While Winston is a human red flag, there is something to say about a kid who can constantly be in trouble, have so much crap sorrounding him Off the field at all times, yet the game starts and he has blinders on, no matter what crap he was dealing with(most of which was self imposed), never has he let it effect him on the field, all he has ever done is win, no matter what the circumstances..
    Personally, I don’t need a jackass QB like that with our joke 3 stooges local media, manny, moe and Hack… But that’s says a lot about the kid… I’d prefer the Marriotta of course who doesn’t put himself in those positions off the field

  198. 198 unhinged said at 9:16 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I would love to hear a credible account for the Foles backslide this past season. His footwork, his decision-making, and his accuracy all looked worse overall than 2013. Regardless of the problems around him, he did not look as fundamentally sound. I don’t remember much flawed technique in 2013.

  199. 199 Weapon Y said at 2:05 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Bill Musgrave. That’s the only explanation I can come up with. He ruined quarterbacks in Minnesota too.

  200. 200 BobSmith77 said at 1:34 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    – 52-43 since ’08 (.558) which is roughly ~9 win/season;
    – 0-3 in the playoffs including 2 home losses
    – 2 divisional titles
    – Playoffs 3 out of those 6 years

    Eagles like to talk about themselves as being one of the top franchises in the NFL but it has been a lot mediocrity over that stretch and over the past decade really much of the same unless you take out the unexpected ’08 playoff run.

  201. 201 Anders said at 3:34 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    No, they talk about how they WANT to be, not HOW they are.

  202. 202 Gary Barnes said at 1:38 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    If they are never going to play Barkley, than why did they spend a draft pick on him? Draft picks are precious and it is bad resource allocation to pick a guy and then never use him. I get he may not be any good, but who would know if we never see him play and why then do they not cut him and put the resources toward another position?

  203. 203 Media Mike said at 5:20 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I want to see what Barkley does in the 2015 pre-season before we get into any pronouncements about him as a player. And how the Eagles approach QB, or don’t, in the draft will tell you all you need to know about what they think about the QB situation on the team right now.

  204. 204 SteveH said at 1:59 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Regardless of the rationale it pisses me off that we won’t see Barkley in the last game.

    I would buy that he clearly needs to earn his way onto the field and all that nonsense if we weren’t trotting Bradley Fletcher out at corner week and week out while Boykin rots on the bench every week and Caroll only sees the field in dime packages.

    Looking back on the year the mishandling of Boykin probably pisses me off more than anything. He was one of the best young DB’s in the league, a true playmaker and our best secondary player. Then this year we manage to scheme our way into playing him about 20% of the snaps every week. No wonder his play fell off this year, he was hardly ever on the field and was probably desperate to make something happen while on it.

  205. 205 D3FB said at 2:16 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Boykin has played 41% of defenive snaps, not 20%, so that’s wrong.

    Vinny Curry 32.7% of d-snaps
    B Graham 39.4% of d-snaps
    Polk 8% of O-snaps
    Sproles 26.5% of O-snaps
    Ertz 46.4% of O-snaps

    And yet despite limited snaps all of these players found ways to play well this year. Boykin didn’t. Your thesis doesn’t really hold up.

  206. 206 Insomniac said at 2:24 AM on December 23rd, 2014:


  207. 207 Media Mike said at 5:22 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Given the truth of what you’re saying with all of these guys, Boykin absolutely needs to have a target on his back when I’m looking for guys who didn’t put forth the effort to play well enough to keep the division title here.

  208. 208 eagleyankfan said at 7:49 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I’ll disagree about Ertz “played well” this year. Maybe it was the coaches fault? Second year in the system, I expected better things…

  209. 209 BlindChow said at 10:57 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Recency bias, probably. He had a good last game.

  210. 210 D3FB said at 5:09 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    He did well as a receiver, he still needs to grow as a blocker, but he’s likely to finish with 700 yards despite playing less than half the snaps. That’s a good season for a TE.

  211. 211 GEAGLE said at 8:44 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    BG couldn’t have played 39% of the snaps, I’m pretty sure 35% would have kicked in his 2.5mil bonus…had he reached that, it would have been a big deal, we would see stories about him reaching the bonus he should have gotten as a rookie.
    Haven’t seen the numbers, but I assume it’s around 32-33% just short of his bonus bench mark
    I didn’t feel like looking it up, so don’t hold me to it

  212. 212 mksp said at 11:00 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Dude, you just can’t help being an asshole, can you?

    You think you’re right, but “don’t feel like looking it up”? Then don’t say anything. Or, for once, try using facts in your arguments.

    THIS is why you’re the worst.

    And, yeah, its exactly 39.4%, even though you haven’t seen “stories” about it.

    Here’s the link. I “assume” you know how to use it.

  213. 213 D3FB said at 5:07 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I’m pulling the numbers straight from football outsiders. They even seperate defense from ST so it’s not that.

  214. 214 GEAGLE said at 6:44 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Appologies, so if I am mistaken on the percentage of snaps he played? do you know if the 35% of snaps is triggering the 2.5mil bonus is accurate. Or if that number is different too?

    If that 35% number is correct, we owe BG a big congrats, and Id be very happy that the man got the 2.5mil that was really written into his contract as an incentive that wasn’t supposed to be hard for him to reach….if I’m mistaken and the number to trigger the bonus is like 40%, must be nervous as hell to be sitting at 39%’right now….

  215. 215 D3FB said at 6:50 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    He was the 13th overall pick. It was a bonus in year 5 that required him to only play a limited number of snaps. You’re likely not hearing about it because it fell under the “Likely to be Earned” category and therefore was already counted against our cap.

    Also it’s a bonus. One based on snaps not even sacks or something sexy. It’s not the most exciting thing in the world.

  216. 216 GEAGLE said at 6:57 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Gotcha…BG worked hard, and the way it was written into the contract was something that should never have been in doubt that he would reach…would have sucked to see him miss out on 2.5 due to horrible circumstance, especially seeing how far he has come. I also kind of worried how he would feel if he didn’t reach that bonus considering how well he was playing, didn’t need him secretly resenting coaches for not letting him reach it while he was playing so well

  217. 217 Ark87 said at 1:00 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    What’s your opinion of Boykin’s season D3FB? Obviously he hasn’t had the impact of last season (which was about as good of a season as you can have from the position) and he hasn’t been shut down or anything. To me he just sort of disappeared this season, which isn’t good but isn’t terrible either.

  218. 218 D3FB said at 5:02 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I think he’s been dinged up, which isn’t helping, but I think he just took a step back this year. People tend to think of player development looking somewhat like a bell curve with technique and experience building to a top level before wear and tear and father time start to catch up leading to a downward progression in performance. Over the aggregate that is a fair way to look at it, but on the individual level its much more peaks and valleys. I would expect him to generally rebound from this season, but to those who argue he should have started, aren’t paying enough attention.

  219. 219 SteveH said at 4:14 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I suppose its back to the drawing board to figure out how one of the best young DBs in the league managed to turn invisible in the span of a year then.

  220. 220 Anders said at 3:50 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    One thing going for us is that a few of the young players on this team took a step forward.
    Logan (very underrated),, Barwin Cox, Kendricks, Curry, Allen (great 7th round pick to get a 3-4 NT is crazy), Matthews, Maclin, Ertz, Johnson (to some extend).

    What we really need is more OL depth, a QB who can execute the scheme and a real CB. Its much less then what many teams need and we still have FA and the draft to address some of it

  221. 221 GermanEagle said at 7:34 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Agree with my European counterpart. You need to add S to that list though.
    If we can get one starting DB and OG via Free Agency, we will be pretty fine going into the draft. No need for a need pick ala Denny Watkins or MSII. Now should we not keep Maclin or see a surprise cut ala Desean again, this will change things dramatically.

  222. 222 Anders said at 7:37 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I think a real CB is still worst more than a safety in FA.

  223. 223 DanJ3645 said at 8:29 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I’d be fine with another MSII pick.
    High upside, football intelligence and attitude.

    Drafting for mid to long term success over short term impact.

  224. 224 GEAGLE said at 8:42 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Smart man!!

  225. 225 Ark87 said at 8:54 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I’m not big on throwing high end resources (1st round draft picks) at safety anymore, it’s an epidemic in the NFL. Seems to be like 2 good safeties per draft (and maybe 2 more decent safeties who can be starters, then a great one every 3 years or so) and they’re notoriously hard to find since the vast majority wash out. It just seems like the surest way to light your most important pick of the draft on fire.

    I agree with you though, we need to keep throwing some effort into the position every season, eventually we’ll get at least a decent second safety then lock him down.

  226. 226 BlindChow said at 10:55 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    It would be even worse with this team. Our secondary is a void where DB’s go to die. I’m convinced even Earl Thomas would have been awful here.

  227. 227 Ark87 said at 11:08 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I actually am too. Hard to imagine him as the primary run defender for the A-gap and that not simply ruining him forever.

    But yeah I don’t know if it’s a scouting weakness, coaching weakness, or just a run of bad luck on bad odds anyway. Even free agency…well at least Jenkins seems like a solid pick up, heck if he works on those stone hands he even might not leave a couple of pick sixes on the turf next season (kidding he was fine).

  228. 228 JJVJack said at 4:35 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    To agree with some people I can see not starting Barkley over Sanchez. On the other note the WHOLE secondary has played so bad other then Jenkins. That there is no way any players should think or say anything about trying other players. If they do maybe they should not be on team like we got nothing for Desean.

  229. 229 Media Mike said at 5:33 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    “There is no question that this season ended badly, but we do need some perspective. This isn’t a team that is devoid of talent and this isn’t a team that underachieved significantly.”

    Both true points, but the team backslid from 9-3 and clear control of the division. To go form a division champ one season to out of the playoffs the next is also unacceptable. Those things don’t add up to fire the coach, but they do point to requiring a higher level of scrutiny going into next season. I agree with Tommy that I trust the team to make the necessary improvements.

    The -33 point swing vs. Dallas and zombie time performance vs. Washington were completely gutless. There were no changes in the roster composition from the ups and downs that led to 9-3 that should have precluded the team from continuing that pace to finish 12-4 (or 11-5 if they took the Giants game to get healthy going into the playoffs after having clinched at 11-4) by beating trash like Dallas and Washington after losing to Seattle; as they did by beating Tennessee and Dallas after losing to Green Bay.

    Again, I trust that Chip will know what players he can trust to play with the proper motivation and focus to not choke away games. I trust that Howie / Chip will tell us what players to really flame by the actions they take with the roster (or piping information to reporters on the DL)rather than saying anything outright.

  230. 230 DanJ3645 said at 7:27 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    where was the gutless performance?
    I saw failure to execute. I felt the need to cry as Fletcher got beat time after time.

    I also saw Nate Allan pick off RG3 and give Sanchez time to win the game.

    I didn’t see players give up, lack passion, avoid contact.

  231. 231 bentheimmigrant said at 10:26 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    This. As terrible as Fletcher is, it wasn’t from giving up. Or even blowing coverage. He was always in the proximity of the catch, just not close enough. And for me, that sums him up. Consistent, but not close enough.

  232. 232 The Linc – LeSean McCoy feels like the Eagles season was a waste of time | said at 6:54 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    […] Weird Time – Iggles BlitzKelly is very much a believer in process. You practice the same way over and over. You develop habits (hopefully good ones). You don’t change what you do for a better or lesser opponent. Consistency is key. It makes total sense that this type of coach would approach a “meaningless” season finale as he did other games. You want players to remain focused. You don’t want them picking and choosing when to prepare and when to compete. […]

  233. 233 GermanEagle said at 7:30 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Marshawn Lynch is not an human being, he must be a marvel action hero, right?!

    Oh boy would I love to see him in Philly.

  234. 234 Mitchell said at 11:41 AM on December 23rd, 2014:


  235. 235 Jim Kopan said at 7:35 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    draft gerod holliman draft him please eagles draft him Malcolm plus gerod would be a good back end

  236. 236 Anders said at 7:38 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Holliman cant tackle at all

  237. 237 D3FB said at 5:26 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Those Louisville DB’s.

  238. 238 GEAGLE said at 6:40 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    The funny part is people would refer to Bamma and Louisville as NFL DB factories lol.. While it’s true they get their DBs to the NFL, not many live up to their draft stock. mark Baron, Pryor, Milner…

  239. 239 GEAGLE said at 4:37 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I’d assume anthony Harris in round 3 is more of what the Eagles have in mind at safety

  240. 240 Jim Kopan said at 7:40 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    better tackler than nate allen and has better awareness to play fakes id take a rookie who makes bad tackles by trying to blow players up than one who is hesitant to hit but bites on play action

  241. 241 KAJomo said at 9:14 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I think it is safe to say your knowledge of holliman begins and ends with his stat of 14 ints. Nobody could have watched him in a single game this season and claim he misses tackles by trying to blow people up. He is the most hesitant tackling safety that will be drafted this year. He makes nate alken look like troy polamolu. Great ballhawk who has zero interest in the run game.

  242. 242 eagleyankfan said at 7:56 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    people can talk all they want about how players handle meaningless games… Players simply don’t. “The best teams in the league are extremely competitive.” — Unless you’re the Colts — who just went through the motions last game…etc etc etc…
    Eagles vs. Giants is going to be as sloppy as sloppy can be…

  243. 243 Ark87 said at 8:32 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Please tell that to the Redskins next time before they sink our season, thanks. (I blame this on you)

  244. 244 eagleyankfan said at 10:04 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Why? The Redskins made our kicker miss field goals?

  245. 245 CASEY MATTHEWS said at 8:20 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I think it would be wise to sign either Parish Cox or Byron Maxwell and then hopefully draft the best DB on the board when we pick. WR will be fine once Huff gets his head screwed on straight and JMatt gains a little more experience. pick up some OL help in the later rounds but concentrate on DB and ILB in earlier rounds.

  246. 246 oreofestar said at 8:42 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I love Mccourty and Revis and Houston they are playmakers but Byron Maxwell makes too much sense for us to sign

  247. 247 GEAGLE said at 8:56 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    HOWIE won’t sign Revis, he basically said so last night

  248. 248 oreofestar said at 8:57 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I know he won’t I literally just said while I love those players Maxwell is the one that makes a ton of sense for us

  249. 249 oreofestar said at 8:57 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    And what exactly did Howie say?

  250. 250 GEAGLE said at 9:02 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Caller was hammering him about why he didn’t sigń Revis last year when we knew our corners sucked, and why he didn’t draft a corner instead of marcus… On the REVIS, he takes about scheme fit for another team, ISNT scheme fit for us neccessarily, team culture, Blah blah blah… The dumb caller was pestering HOWIE about why we didn’t draft Brashad Breeland who is a pigeon, caller just likes him cuz he intercepted Sanchez sunday, breeland had 5 penalties and gave up 3 TDs in one game against ODB
    HOWIE also says in the draft we might have durability concerns about a certain player, drop him, or take him off our board, where as another team might not have the same medical grade,.. All vague, but it sounded like he had no interest at all in revis

  251. 251 oreofestar said at 9:05 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Ah interesting I’ll take that with a grain of salt cuz no gm wants to be too revealing but I’d rather have Max anyway. Where did you see this?

  252. 252 GEAGLE said at 9:10 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    HOWIE does a weekly Monday show on the radio from chickies n Pete

  253. 253 oreofestar said at 9:14 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Oh OK well I’m back from college so I’m in NJ wouldnt have been able to listen

  254. 254 GEAGLE said at 9:19 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Gotcha…surprisingly HOWIE is pretty good. His thing is he won’t lie to fans, so he won’t BS a caller. But the is some stuff he just admits he can’t talk about for competitive advantage.
    Off the air during a commercial, I was teasing him about how I know he must love Erik Kendricks, and that I know he was at UCLA practices the week of the San fran game, he smiled and jokingly said to Meryl, get this guy away from me, he is going to get me in trouble lol
    I try to catch the show live as much as I can, usually it’s just Howies Meryl, and shady later on, but often other eagle players stop in, like Cox a week ago

  255. 255 oreofestar said at 9:23 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I think I have acutally heard this show a few times, i should probably watch when I get back to Philly after the break

  256. 256 oreofestar said at 9:31 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Also I bet Erik wasn’t the only guy he was looking at 😉

  257. 257 GEAGLE said at 10:02 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Mykes Jack for next year, or the crazy african name pass rusher who’s name I will never know how to spell

  258. 258 the DONALD said at 9:54 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    do you work at WIP? how were you teasing him? who are you? haha

  259. 259 Jernst said at 9:57 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Anyone can go to chickies and petes on Monday and watch them broadcast live from there

  260. 260 the DONALD said at 10:13 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    ooooh that makes sense now.. chickies and petes.. good crab fries and cheese dip.. oh yeaaaa.

  261. 261 GEAGLE said at 10:16 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    No one, just a fan..l.. Believe it or not basketball is my business, but my passion is football

  262. 262 anon said at 12:13 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    wait revis isn’t a scheme fit? don’t we play press man? with a single high? wouldn’t he be a perfect scheme fit?

  263. 263 Ark87 said at 12:33 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    yeah it’s probably bogus, my guess is paying premier money on what, going on 29 years old on a reconstructed knee…if it didn’t work out there would be enough in hindsight to label Howie an idiot, given his recent history with Asomugha. That’s a contract you don’t offer unless you’re willing to put your job on the line.

  264. 264 anon said at 12:34 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    oh that’s what me means by scheme fit, having to pay more than $5m a year, got it.

  265. 265 Ark87 said at 12:39 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I was agreeing with you, saying Revis isn’t a scheme fit sounds bogus, he probably won’t go near that because it would be a high risk contract for him personally.

  266. 266 anon said at 12:50 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I agree, i was saying maybe that’s what Howie means when he says not a scheme fit.

  267. 267 anon said at 2:15 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    To me his job is on the line with fletch and cary, hurts to even say their name — i wanted to like cary.

    Even our decent safety can’t play in space which leaves nate allen to cover deep, which he’s terrible at. All CBs have to play trail b/c our LB’s can’t help underneath / are too busy being dedicated to the run..

  268. 268 Ark87 said at 2:27 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Yeah, the progress is coming slowly. Pretty much looking like we are able to add 1 player a year. It’s funny to see Chung play competent football back at New England. Tackling fine, coming up with picks…this secondary seems snake-bitten. The Dawkins Curse?

  269. 269 unhinged said at 8:42 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    The subject of underachievement seems to be the context for most of the comments I have read here and elsewhere. It seems that some flashes of excellence from 2013 have turned many of us into impatient authorities on anything and everything relating to the Eagles. This journey is barely out of the gates, and we hit a big snag. I expect we’ll hit a few more.

  270. 270 GEAGLE said at 8:55 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I know the silly fanboy approach is to get no instant gratification from Barkley, so he obviously must suck, but I adore having a young QB who is sitting on the bench for multiple seasons, just learning, the way Aaron Rogers did.
    I have never been a Barkley fan, but I don’t at all equate not seeing Barkley in year two, to him being a QB chip no longer likes… I have no clue what we think of Barkley or where he is at in his development.
    Here’s the way I view it, if Chip right now is down on Matt Barkley, and plans on cutting him this offseason, I would want us to play him. Never know, he could have a good game and we could end up getting a later pick for him, instead of cutting him..

    But if Chip is happy with how Barkley is progressing, and plans on bringing Barkley back next year, Id rather him not play. Keep him on the bench, no need to show him to a world of donkeys that most likely won’t judge him accurately anyway. If we plan on keeping Barkley, then just keep him on the bench, continuing his grooming. If we plan on getting rid of him, play the kid

  271. 271 Jernst said at 9:51 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Agreed! If Chip sees some potential in Barkley don’t ruin his confidence with a meaningless game. I hope I’m wrong but Barkley seems, to me at least, to lack the required arm strength to threaten the whole field and doesn’t make up for it with deadly accuracy or athletic ability. My feeling is that we are uniquely positioned to develop diamonds in the rough since we get our 3rd QB so many reps compared to other teams. Since we probably won’t be drafting in the top two picks any time soon and no one is sold on our current starting QBs why not utilize that spot to develop someone that has a higher ceiling. I might be totally wrong but I see Barkleys ceiling as a number 2 back up QB.

  272. 272 GEAGLE said at 10:00 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Personally I don’t have much more confidence than you, with that said, if I judged Aaron Rogers after his second year on the bench i would have been very wrong!
    Like you, I also question if he has the physical ability, but I do know that every QB makes it to the NFL has had a skill set that has been successful at this level in the past.. I don’t think Barkley is as weak as Chad Pennington who was a pretty darn good QB… What’s betweens Barkleys ears will decide how good he can be.
    I wouldbt bet on him growing into a starting QB,
    I’m not even sure how good of a backup he can become
    maybe he isn’t even going to be a back
    As fans we really have no clue where he is at right, what’s has his growth rate been looking like
    But even if we can mold him into a quality second string QB, who can come in and keep us afloat winning a game or two when our QB gets injured, he would be worth a 4th….I just personally have no idea if he will even be ready to go into next season as a backup.
    But it’s also possible that chip ISNT down on him at all, and wants to continue to groom him…. No way of really knowing right now, doubt chip would give us a straight answer

  273. 273 Henly125 said at 10:20 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Keep in mind that Matt Barkley could’ve been the top QB prospect had he left college after his junior year. He was projected to go as high as top 5. He lacks some zip in his arm, but he did have better velocity on his throws in this years preseason as opposed to his rookie year.

    There were teams trying to trade for the kid. I like to look at him as more than a backup, not so much for us, but for another team. He has the mindset of an NFL QB, and looks to have the tools to be a Chad Pennington type of passer, which isn’t bad at all.

  274. 274 anon said at 12:12 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    still was making terrible decisions against 3s. Sanchez was lighting up twos so you can estimate what MB will look like against the 1s.

  275. 275 Henly125 said at 12:52 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Yeah but he’s barely gotten a feel for the pro game. He’s played a few quarters here and there last year but that’s not enough for him to just go out there and light people up. Even against 3s, lack of game reps will show on game tape.

  276. 276 anon said at 1:58 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    If he was decent we wouldn’t be playing MS, but it’s typical in philly to want to see the backup.

  277. 277 Henly125 said at 3:23 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Eh, I think the decision to go with Sanchez is based on his experience. No other reason. Barkley has ways to go before being the backup, maybe next year he finally gets that nod.

  278. 278 GEAGLE said at 4:36 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    QB sitting on the bench year two, tells us NOTHING!!!

  279. 279 anon said at 7:21 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Not saying he cant be the next Aaron Rodgers, i’m saying that if he was Aaron Rudgers right now he’d be playing.

  280. 280 GEAGLE said at 2:16 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    While THATS technically true, we don’t know, he could have easily gotten picked apart in the predraft process.
    I honestly don’t even know what to think of Barkley. I haven’t seen enough to be able to offer any worthwhile opinion. I got to see him play in the preseason, but fans thought Samchez ressurected his career from the ashes like a Mystical Pheonix, how many fans were happy sanchez replaced FOles because they said sanchez was better? Lol only in philly….. Not to mention the preseason was half a year ago, who knows how much Barkley has grown since then? Seems like a smart, highly driven kid who will bust his ass to try and make it in this league…
    I’m a firm believer that it takes YEARS to know what you really have in a QB. Considering how dumb our fans and media are, how much they overreact, how they don’t understand player development very well, If we plan on keeping Barkley next year, because chip is stil
    High on him, I see no reason to expose him to our fanbase and media….. Because that only can go two ways:
    1) Barkley looks really good, surprises everyone, our fans and media will lose their minds, overreact to his greatness and most likely instantly form unrealistic expectations that Barkley probably won’t meet, basically fans expectation will set him up to fail in there eyes ATleast..
    2) or Barkley will struggle, have a bad game, and this city will rip him even more than normal, and when Chip doesn’t cut him next year. Everyone will be pisses that Barkley is still here..
    What he can gain from playing 1 game with nothing on the line, is minimal. And not worth the trouble
    If chip is still high on the kid, and has every intention on bringing him back, no reason to show him to anyone right now. HOWEVER if chip has reached the point that he no longer wants to invest in developing him and plans on cutting him, I would hope we would play him, just for the LONGSHOT that he can open some eyes enough to bring back a 7th RB pick or something.
    I don’t have much confidence in him ever growing into our franchise QB, but I wouldnt rule out him growing into a career backup for us like maybe Garcia was, but even that I don’t have confidence in betting on..
    I really don’t have enough info to even try to judge, but we should get a good idea how the Eagles feel about Barkley by how we behave in This next draft, unless we cut him of course…
    Wonder if Pete Carroll would give up a 6th or 7th for him?

  281. 281 Henly125 said at 3:20 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Yeah I’d say he’s on his way to being an effective backup, maybe even one that’ll have some value down the road. He has starting potential, a couple more years of development should do him good.

    i trust whatever plan the team has in store for Matt. Considering where he was picked, the team has to have put a lot of thought into getting him. First pick of day 3 of that years draft, could be this decades AJ Feeley, never know lol

  282. 282 GEAGLE said at 9:06 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Can’t wait to see what Coach McGovern turns MSII into. Year 1’he taught COLE and BG how to drop into coverage, year two he went back and focused on the passrush, and basically in two Offseasons he turned our career DE’s into stud LB’s
    By now we know the routine, silly fans crap on a player when he doesn’t provide instant gratification… Year later they eat their words. Doubt this will be much different

  283. 283 BallFace said at 6:05 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    shut up, loser

  284. 284 Jernst said at 9:38 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    If Barkley still hasn’t at minimum shown enough in practice that he could equal Sanchez’s production it’s probably time to start at least turning that 3rd QB spot over to someone that at least has some untapped potential regardless of how high you were in Barkley coming out of college.

  285. 285 Buge Halls said at 9:50 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Seeing Barkley in an (almost) “real” game situation (we all know most of these guys are already practicing their golf swings) would to me mean more than seeing him in drills on the practice field. I understand the competitive need to win, etc., but at some point (right about the 4th qtr of the Redskins game!), this season became all about next year.

    The game against the Giants is, for all practical purposes, an exhibition game. Why not let some of those “bubble” guys get on the field and show what they can do. IMHO, right now Chip should be evaluating who stays and who goes this off-season and not worrying about a truly meaningless win. Are we worried about wins or losses in the pre-season?

  286. 286 GEAGLE said at 10:15 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    No matter whatever happened with the Eagles, I always loved playoff football. Right now, I’m really not prepared to watch teams compete in playoffs, with the Eagles sitting at home
    Tho, our FANBASE can’t be this stupid to be prisoners of their own success. Players and coaches can’t even overachieve in piece in this city without it making the fans crazy…
    Last years team of overachieving perfect health, destroyed all logical fan expectation
    first half of the year, overcoming turnovers, screwed up our expectations, and we are now in shambles because they couldn’t overcome the mistakes they made all yera, down the stretch in December

    Eagkes drafted a very Raw RT Lane Johnson last year, but he managed to contribute immediately, which has thrown all rational expectation out the window and every one is down on Marcus because as a Raw OLB, he didn’t break into the rotation like Lane did the year before… Of course Lane didmt have 3 quasi Probowlers in front of him at OT like Marcus had with Bg,COLE and Barwin. Also, Lane was a raw RT, who we gave continuity to at Right tackle. Why would anyone think a raw rookie OLB, can jump back n fourth from OLB and ILB all season and be expected to be ready to produce better than our 3 quality OLBs..
    Rational fans remember that lthis year and last year were supposed to be rebuilding years, any success we had was just gravy… Year 3 is when it’s fair and rational to start demanding your HEADCoach to produce, t because this man did such a great job so soon, fans think they can have ridiculous expectations… I’m heartbroken to be missing the playoffs, but most teams who play 15 different OL combinations in a season, play like 8 games with a Backup QB, and a run game that struggled to get going half the season, are lucky to win 5-6 games…. It’s amazing how well we did this year, considering everything we had to overcome, all the turnovers, pigeon at left CB, Pigeon at safety…

    If Chip didn’t lose 3 games in a row at the end, win one of those games, and we could be 12-4 after Giants game, which would have bested the coaching job he did last year, with no injures and the best OL in this franchises history

  287. 287 McNabbulousness said at 10:55 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    lets not forget sanchize started half the season for us.

  288. 288 Henly125 said at 11:10 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Yeah seriously. In no way was Sanchez going to win as much games as Foles.

    We’re steadily rebuilding, and we are winning in the process. Not many teams can do that. We have a good program building up, and it bares noticing.

  289. 289 GEAGLE said at 6:37 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Think I included playing 8 games witha backüp in my post

  290. 290 P_P_K said at 11:54 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I’m not down on Marcus as a player. My problem is that we used a #1 pick on him when, as you point out, there are 3 quasi ProBowlers in front of him. I agree it’s not fair to expect a rookie to jump back and forth between positions. But I do think it’s fair to question why the Eagles felt it necessary to take this guy in the first round. Maybe you’re right, he will blossom into a great player. Until then, I think it’s reasonable to question the pick. Remember, “reasonable” not “correct” is the operative word.

  291. 291 RobNE said at 12:01 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Cole is almost done, BG hadn’t shown he belonged, and pass rush was probably our biggest need.

  292. 292 Ark87 said at 12:21 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    It’s definitely a grey area until we see how it all pans out. I believe Billy D when he says he really really likes Trent Cole, Brandon Graham and Conner Barwin and that no rookie was going to take any snaps from any one of them (which I think was a bit of a pleasant surprise, it just happened to be at the expense of our first round draft pick, that’s one of those hind-sight things). Mid season position change may have hurt his progression and we may not see him get to where we want him until year 3 unfortunately, that would be on the coaches more than the draft process though.

    I’ll say this, it’s reasonable to wish for more first-year impact from your first round draft pick but too early to forsake the pick at this point.

  293. 293 P_P_K said at 12:33 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Well said.

  294. 294 GEAGLE said at 1:51 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    can’t be short sited… We have 3 Probowl OLBs at the moment, 3 months from now, we could easily only have BARWIN. OLBs usually need a year to put on enough weight to really compete,
    Not to mention, two quality OLBs is soo NOT enough… Need ATleast 3, preferably 4
    Bad teams plug immediate holes in the draft. Nothing worse than drafting a rookie who you immediately pencil in to start the moment you draft him out of necessity… If you are worried about a position a year from now, or two years from Now, you address it ahead of time, so the kid you drafted can be ready to go, a year or two down the line when you really need him.
    Also gives you some leverage when talking contracts with BG and COLE
    I hear you tho…. I can see why fans who didn’t put in the work studying the kid predraft aren’t as crazy about him as I am. But from my point of view, how could I not be high on him? He is exactly who I wanted more than any other player in last years draft. I spent the entire predraft process talking about the kid every day… With that said, even someone like me who had so much belief in this kids future, knew he wouldn’t be able to produce as a rookie.
    You can probably pick a random archive from the months leading up to last years draft, and odds are you can find a comment about me raving over how we have to get our hands on “Maaaaaaaarcus Daaaaaarling”.. Heck I gave the kid a nickname months before we even drafted him lol, and in all my predraft posts, I always included that you needed to draft him last year, so he can be ready for next year with COle and BG contract situation being in question. Anyone who raved about this kid last year, KNEW HE WOULDNT BE READY AS A ROOKIE, so how can I possibly be down on the kid when I expected him not to play this year, even before I knew COle and BG would play out of their minds this year…

    If we want to make the playoffs every year or ATleast strive for it, counting on a rookie to start at one of the most important positions in the game is very foolish. It’s such an important position, heck entire secondaries rely on that position. Main pass rusher, good enough pass rush can make average corners look reaaly good, where as non existent pass rush can make good corners get burnt
    Even if we can bring back BG and COle next year, having two waves of OLBs rotating in, would be GREAT
    No matter what me and you think, it’s clear that chip, Billy, Tom Gamble, HOWIE.. Most of these men, if not all believe they can turn this kid into a special enough player that we used a first round pick on…. I was so damn high on him, how can I be down on him when obviously the Eagles confirmed my evaluation of him, so how can I possibly not be excited of the young man? He didn’t play, but we had 3 stud OLBs in front of him, and elite ST players ahead of him
    I’d be way more concerned about a top pick Justin Gilbert, sitting being Pierre Desir and Jordan Poyer,,,

  295. 295 pattayaguy said at 2:00 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Hey GEAGLE….a few things:

    1. Still looking for you to post proof of your donation to WWP (as you stated you would do on 12/16)….you aren’t hiding, are you?

    2. Can you clarify your comment “even the king of one and done, Calipari isn’t doing to well this year”? For someone who claims “basketball is my business” no less.

    3. It’s “short sighted”, not “short sited” as you put in the post above and you have used on other occasions. Maybe your family, you know, the one that “owns a franchise” can invest in some English grammar and spelling tutoring for you.

    You are such a dope

  296. 296 RobNE said at 2:14 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    you forgot a period at the end. And your use of ellipsis in the first sentence is….troubling.

  297. 297 anon said at 2:16 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    People let things get personal on here…i don’t get it.

  298. 298 pattayaguy said at 2:45 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Apparently, you haven’t been exposed to GEAGLE’s personal attacks on people who disagree with any perspective he has on the Sixers. He knows everything about bball, and it seems as if he carries this over to football. “I can see why fans who didn’t put in the work studying the kid predraft aren’t as crazy about him as I am”. “put in the work”? Like he attended the combine, or “broke down” film on Marcus Smith? “Heck I gave the kid a nickname months before we even drafted him”. GEAGLE is a blowhard and an idiot as well as a liar. He deserves any negative feedback that comes his way.

  299. 299 RobNE said at 3:14 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Maybe GEAGLE is Sam Hinkie?!?!?

  300. 300 pattayaguy said at 3:25 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I think Hinkie is intelligent enough to know not to gush over college players and project them as “baby Garnett” as GEAGLE referred to Nerlens Noel after three NBA games or say that Jahil Okafor “is more advanced than Tim Duncan was as a freshman”. No, GEAGLE is a fanboy who reads a ton of articles and blogs and parrots the contents as his expert opinion….well, as George Constanza said “it’s not a lie if you believe it”.

  301. 301 pattayaguy said at 2:31 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    A bit different than misspelling the word “sighted”, don’t you agree?

  302. 302 RobNE said at 3:13 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I think picking on anyone’s spelling or grammar on a blog isn’t needed, but that’s just me. Sometimes people are posting on their phone. Even if they aren’t as smart (and I’m not sure spelling or grammar is the right test for smarts), so what. Plenty of opinions and comments to attack without resorting to calling people dumb.

    I’m not trying to pick on you, I’ve seen others do the same and I’ve tried to make the same point with them in the past. One poster does this all the time, but I don’t want to name the person.

  303. 303 pattayaguy said at 3:15 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Fair enough…

  304. 304 P_P_K said at 2:56 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    You raise some points that I would never think of because I don’t know much about college football, or even draft strategy for that matter. Even more, I have been wrong so many times in the past about Eagles drafts (my friends still bust my balls because I didn’t want Donovan and I did want Freddie Mitchell). It will be interesting to revisit this discussion in a couple years.

  305. 305 anon said at 12:10 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Biggest upside of this 3game slide is that we have something to bitch about other than marcus.

  306. 306 BallFace said at 6:06 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Wow, holy shit, if the Eagles had won their last two their record would be better? What an amazing insight!

    Never post again and then kill yourself because you don’t deserve to live.

  307. 307 Ark87 said at 10:26 AM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I’m not big on the “message it would be sending” angle. One could easily play that angle the other way. “We’ve seen unacceptable play from multiple players multiple games in a row and there’s nothing to fear. You’ll keep your job” Has Chip ever benched anyone? Hell what about the message to the young guys that there’s no depth chart mobility. Why bust your hump when the veteran who screws up all day every Sunday (or Saturday or Thursday or Monday) ain’t going anywhere.

    Anyway Chip just wants his guys to play to win. Whether the locker room see’s it as giving opportunities to young players because the season is over anyway why not, or benching a player who has struggled in a major way for long stretches of the season is up to Kelly’s ability as a leader. You could waste the commodity that is an nfl game (only get 16 a season) to avoid that leadership check if you want to. I guess my point is that benching a player that has cost you multiple games isn’t the antithesis of coaching to win.

  308. 308 Henly125 said at 12:26 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Herremans states the Eagles “Lack discipline.” Ouch… hard to argue against that.

  309. 309 xeynon said at 12:31 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Tons of stupid penalties, leading the league in turnovers, blown assignments at key moments? Yup, hard to argue.

  310. 310 anon said at 12:34 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    think we might be leading league in penalties too (def in the last 5 games). Unsure what happened this season — probably thought we were much better than we were.

  311. 311 Henly125 said at 12:48 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Penalties killed us this year.

  312. 312 P_P_K said at 2:33 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Got to the point that after a good play, I’d wait to see if there was a flag before celebrating.

  313. 313 RobNE said at 3:25 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I did the same with every 3rd down stop the D made.

  314. 314 Ark87 said at 12:54 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Given the source, and how easily supported his criticism is, and how hard it is to fix that problem…that one might have hit me the hardest.

  315. 315 anon said at 1:54 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    well we took two of the most penalized corners in the league. everyone else is young.

    That said, when OLs getting beat they hold. I think we got some ticky-tack fouls but a lot is probably frustration-based

  316. 316 GEAGLE said at 1:21 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Malcolm Jenkins said the same thing, citing how often they got stops on 3rd down only to extend the opponents drive with a dumb penalty Malcolm wasmt bashing anyone, he just wants better for himself and his team mates. When asked if it was a mistake to not double team Desean all game, he said no, at times our scheme asked Barwin to line up against a WR or Jordan Reed, and helping out that matchup is more of an immediate need than a starting outside corner against a starting WR…from DAWKINS to jenkins, no one thought we should just double Desean every single play..
    Billy believe it’s a lost confidence issue with Bradley these days and he had to give him an opportunity to play his way out “if I bench a guy Everytime he makes a mistake, I would run out of guys, and confidence of the players would be shot”… Fact is, if he had drastically better options, bradley would have never started this year…
    billy says they have to look at everything after the season, every position, the schemes, the play calls, the players……I Have complete confidence in Billy
    Since last years denver game, Billy’s players have mostly been showing steady growth, up until the last 3 weeks, people forget because the wounds are fresh, but often this season our sense had to carry a struggling pffense, with help of the ST of course…

    I’m more worried about the offense than the defense, ATleast I can look at the defense and know, keep growing our young studsm get a new corner, a new safety, and Mykal KEndricks little brother, and we have a top 10 defense on our hands…

    Offensively, the performance of our OL down the stretch was alarming

    Everyone complains about our WR corp, but that’s the last thing I worry about. A coach obssessed with offense and scoring points, I’m sure will build a nasrty Arsenal of pass catchers, it just will take more than one pffseason…

  317. 317 Ark87 said at 1:59 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    If I had to point to 3 disappointments that seemed like revelations last year that I thought would be the center of this team’s success for years to come, they would be:

    Sports Science: Score 1 point to the argument that 2013’s health was an anomaly and regression to the mean in the form of injuries was coming.

    Nick Foles: 27-2, everybody knew that percentage wasn’t going to stay, but 13-10 was a huge drop-off

    The running game: Wasn’t terrible, but it’s the engine of this offense and was not very reliable.

    To me all 3 of these issues are related, Specifically ealry in the season. So for me our primary things to fix this off season is get at least 1 veteran starting Caliber CB, and a high draft pick on a CB (the outside kind (gigantic and slow as balls, apparently) since that’s a huge deal in Philly). And reinforcing that O-line for the short an long term. The offense runs on those boys, and the team runs on the offense. Lets get them some help.

    Can’t really plan to be healthier next year, but we can build the depth to handle injuries better next year

  318. 318 Henly125 said at 3:25 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I agree on offense being a bit more of a worry than D. The line is getting older, and It wouldn’t surprise me if they put a bit more attention towards that side of that ball. With glaring holes on D last year, we still used two of our first three picks on offensive players. Good thing we have some good pieces in the front 7.

  319. 319 anon said at 3:27 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    very true — line was super inconsistent this year, but then again the scheme is really built on working together, pass blocking was ok i think generally, which may be why we did so much more of it.

  320. 320 Henly125 said at 3:38 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I agree. We passed the ball way too much this year. But that’s a result of the success in progress of Kellys system; which is to run a lot of plays. We’ve seen a huge increase in pass attempts this season, while the running backs have had about the same amount of touches this season (McCoy on pace to set career high in carries). It’s a result of what Kelly has preached in terms of plays run vs time of possession. And in that concept of our offense, I’ve seen the most improvement.

  321. 321 anon said at 3:59 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    plays run sort of breeds TOs, just gives the defense more opportunities for takeaways. seems like fewer game breakers than last year.

  322. 322 Henly125 said at 4:03 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Yep, and that’s where the turnovers come in lol too many games where we could’ve put up at least 40 points and we just couldnt fully execute. Better decision making would’ve made a huge impact this year.

  323. 323 anon said at 4:05 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Honestly, without a great QB / Line this scheme is sort of shot bc of turnovers. Hard to have ball control, when you have to pass 60times a game. 1 pick in 50passes is pretty good.

  324. 324 Henly125 said at 4:11 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    It is, the timing of the pick was what screwed us. Being able to pass for that amount and having your primary back get his usual touches is pretty deadly, but what’s keeping the system to work to its full potential is the QB play. There’s no other way around that fact.

  325. 325 anon said at 5:17 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Agree, i think it won’t be a 4-5 year championship run unfortunately. I think they probably thought so after last year (didn’t we all), i think that’s gotta be re-evaluated and we gotta think about going through a rebuilding.

  326. 326 Henly125 said at 5:40 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Once Chip has the roster the way he wants it that’ll be a good topic of discussion. I think his offense has what it takes to go deep. The problem is the pieces in place aren’t really ideal for what he wants. He would never admit that obviously, but you know what I mean.

  327. 327 GEAGLE said at 4:32 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Curious to see what chip would do if Melvin Gordon is on the board when it’s time to pick. We could also find Sammia Coates or the west Virgina WR on the board

    Koudijos little brother Arnie should be a 2nd or 3rd rd guard, has some size but touted as an athletic Guard. I bring him up, because I love when there are prospects available that could fit Our needs who our coaches have an inside track on. Stoutland and Koundinos crossed paths at Bamma.

  328. 328 oreofestar said at 4:53 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Melvin where? In the first? Not for us

  329. 329 GEAGLE said at 5:14 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    10mil for LeSean next year. After not his greatest of years…

    Silver lining to Shadys bad year? It fits his pattern of great year, bad yea, great year, bad year…and next year would be the GREAT YEARS turn again, even tho I dont know if we can really call this a bad year for shady all things concerned

  330. 330 anon said at 5:20 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    bad year? He’s number 5 in rushing yds (with only about 100 yds separating him from No. 2) and that with a damaged line for first 8 games.

    I think his main issue is red zone,but it’d be interesting to see what a le’veon bell would have done in this offense. $10m is too much though, unfortunately i dont’ think we have a shady replacement on the roster. CJ spiller is a FA though…

  331. 331 oreofestar said at 6:59 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I agree.but not in the.first.too many needs maybe day two

  332. 332 Henly125 said at 1:01 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Never got to ask this, but why don’t we have team captains? Wth.

  333. 333 Ark87 said at 1:13 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    hah now that you mention it, Should be easy to verify, If Meco doesn’t have one, no body does.

  334. 334 Ark87 said at 1:23 PM on December 23rd, 2014:×401/local/-/media/AsburyPark/2014/08/20/ryans.jpg

    You seem to be correct, (refresh for picture)

  335. 335 McNabbulousness said at 1:10 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    it seems like we major league regressed (and in some areas we major league did), but there is still the possibility that we end up with the same record as last year.

  336. 336 370HSSV 0773H said at 1:17 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Who really cares about seeing Watkins or MS2 play in one meaningless game? They’re not playing for their jobs, the veterans are. The veterans are the players that are responsible for not making the playoffs. Watkins and MS2 will be here during training camp and that’s where they will earn the right to play – not this Sunday.

  337. 337 Jack Waggoner said at 1:25 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Awesome username

  338. 338 phillychuck said at 3:05 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    And he’s upside down with respect to the correct position on playing the kids next week, too. 🙂

  339. 339 GEAGLE said at 1:31 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Riddle me this….

    Let’s pretend for the sake of this Question, that Marcus smith is destined to,grow into a quality OLB somewhere between barwin/BG ability.. Basically let’s pretend he grows into an OLB who everyone thinks was a brilliant 1st round pick next year…

    as fans were we happier to get a 1st round OLB? or seeing how everything unfolded, would we have prefered trading up last year to go get MIke Evans or ODB and be ok with not having a first round pick in this upcoming draft, after we just missed the playoffs?
    I haven’t checked for myself because I’m too depressed lol, but I hear that right now, we would get the 20th pick in this upcoming draft, but that if we lose and some other teams lose, we can pick as high as #17…. 17 is soooooooo much better than 20. Keep in mind there are usually, around 20 players in a draft with true first round grade. If we had the 17th pick last year, we could have gotten one of the last round 1 prospects, Brandin Cooks, Shazier, Clinton Dix, Mosley.. Instead of trading back and taking a kid with a second round grade..
    ..The difference between picking 17-20 can be pretty big.
    Also at 17, if a kid we don’t expect, starts to fall to like the #12 range, much easier t go up and get him, then it would be from #20
    Picking 17 gets us within trade distance to go up and grab a kid we have a top 10 grade on, who fell to 12 range…

  340. 340 oreofestar said at 1:34 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    If we gave Evans or ODB I think we take the playoffs and honestly I might have sti done the trade even in hindsight

  341. 341 GEAGLE said at 2:31 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    No no no…. The point is, you never know if you will make the playoffs or not… Rational expectation for us after last year was to ATleast make it back to playoffs, hopefully win 1 game.. The point is, would you take those high quality WR, even if it meant not having a first round pick if we missed the playoffs and had a heartbreak year?

    Basically the way you feel horrible today, with how the end of the season played out, would you be ok not having a first round pick in the upcoming draft, because you went up for ODB, Evans or whoever your favorite WR is?

  342. 342 anon said at 2:33 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Hmm, yes. Look at what ODB is doing with Manning, he’s singly handedly winning games for them.

  343. 343 the DONALD said at 2:53 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    he likes to go FAST.. and does.. maybe we can get a john brown/ODB speed demon in the draft this year.. maybe that will quiet down the djax speed stuff..

  344. 344 Insomniac said at 3:43 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Antwan Goodley. He’s what Huff would be if he took steroids.

  345. 345 pattayaguy said at 2:45 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Still hiding GEAGLE?

  346. 346 RobNE said at 3:16 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    ODB to me, seems like a complete game changer. That guy is going to give us nightmares for years.

  347. 347 GEAGLE said at 4:27 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I don’t disagree… I just can’t imagine how I would feel not having a first round pick after a late season collapse

  348. 348 anon said at 5:21 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    unclear if there would have been a collapse, right now ODB is straight unguardable.

  349. 349 GEAGLE said at 5:28 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Omg your fuckin dense.. The point Wasnt how good ODB is, our how good marcus will be… The point is, is there any prospect that we could have added last year that we would be ok with not having a first round pick in this next draft after we collapsed and missed the playoffs?
    Is there any NON QB in this next draft, that we would be ok with trading next years first round pick away to move up and get, keeping in mind that you never if you will have an injury riddled season and miss the playoffs, even if you expected to contend?
    I ask because it’s easy to say we can trade away a future pick, but feeling the way we do now, after the collapse, not having a first round pick would be torture. Is it worth being short sited and trade away your first round pick to secure a player you really like

  350. 350 anon said at 7:10 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I’m saying if you’d jumped up maybe you don’t collapse. I don’t know what’s coming out this year so hard to say, last year’s first round WRs certainly look worth it, especially considering our QB play has been meh. Sharzier, Martin (for a rookie) and Mosley look like they will be studs, i’d tale the LBs but it’s unclear if we’d need to give a first to jump to those spots and need at ILB is hindsight, we probably thought we had that position locked up for at least another year.

  351. 351 oreofestar said at 1:38 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Also if we lose and Buf,Mia, Baltimore and KC win we drop to 16 improbable but still possible

  352. 352 GEAGLE said at 2:28 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Picking 16th would be an awesome consolation prize for this heartbreak ending to a season.. You can really be in striking distance to move up and get a top player, without mortgaging your next two drafts,,

    When you think about it, Chip got pretty unlikely. He took over a 4-12 team, had the #4th pick in a draft with no franchise QBs…

    If we end up picking THAT HIGH (16), I would have to forget about my Kendricks and Kendricks ILB dream. Way too high for him…. You don’t take a second round grade at 16, you still find quality first rounders if you stay put. You can trade to 12 range, or you can really get good value trading back from there. Picking that high is the least we should get for our heartbreak

  353. 353 anon said at 2:28 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    yeah we could move up or all the way back

  354. 354 GEAGLE said at 2:58 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    The end of this season really threw a curve ball to my draft preperation. All year I have been expecting to pick in the 24-30 range, picking 20 would be much different, picking 16 opens a world of possibilities.

    You figure you could trade back twice from 16, get two extra picks and come away with a kid like Kendricks, but because you are picking top 20 of each round, you can still add a a first round talent at 16, and you can trade up from your second round pick and try i snag Kendricks or whatever player everyone had in mind when hey thought the Eagles would pick in the 25 range..,
    And if those stinking 49ers give us the draft pick from the Bryce trade THIS year, now we are talking some ammunition to do some things in this draft.

    I haven’t looked At Landon Collins at all, because I never expected to even be close to in range to go get him, but I assume he will be the first safety taken, if we take a kid that fills an immediate need at 16, awesome. .but if we like a player too much to pass that doesn’t fil an immediate need, I hope we get a pick Back by flipping a player at his position…for example, if there is a Stud 3-4 DE who you cant pass on, I would hope we could flip Curry to recouperate a pick to use on our needs… Of course, can’t be too short sited. It wouldn’t be the end of the world to keep Vinny and the draft pick and take compensatory pick down th road
    Unfortunately Kurt Coleman, and Colt Anderson weren’t quite good enough to fetch us Any comp picks last year smh

  355. 355 fran35 said at 6:58 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Speaking of the Bryce Brown trade, what is it going to be for us, and what are parameters? I have researched this extensively and it is impossible to find the exact conditions or stats stevie Johnson needed

  356. 356 oreofestar said at 3:10 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Well we are st 20 now the pick can’t get worse

  357. 357 GEAGLE said at 5:35 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Things aren’t looking so good for your boy Oakman…

  358. 358 oreofestar said at 7:19 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    What the hell happened to my boy!

  359. 359 botto said at 2:37 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    id take odb no matta what

  360. 360 Ark87 said at 2:53 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    He’s kinda turned the Giants season around single-handedly (literally at times), though too late. The Giants aren’t going to roll over this week. It’s funny how many players the Giants get that are frighteningly good young. But hopefully the trend continues and he burns out in 3 years.

  361. 361 GEAGLE said at 3:09 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I guess the question would be better asked to Giants fans. Would they still want ODB if it meant not having a draft pick in the first round Of this next draft after they didn’t make the playoffs?

    I don’t knock people if they do, ODB looks like one of the best offensive weapons to come into the league recently. He was as polished of a WR as you will see as a prospect. for Example, Amari Cooper is the sexy WR prize of this next draft, but I don’t expect him to be as good as ODB, Heck, Sammy and Mike Evans have their work cut out for them if they plan on being recognized as the top WR in this class….ODB ain’t playing around…
    But as awesome as he is, with the horrible end to this season. Not having a first round pick in this next draft would be ROUGH…..

    One thing is certain, if we think we need a Secondary now, imagine having to play that kid twice a year in his 3rd and 4th seasons,.,silver lining on the Giamts adding ODB is they are still a longway away from getting right in the trenches, on both sides

  362. 362 anon said at 3:29 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Dont’ forget victor cruz. Everyone in the division has all star WRS (we might have the worst WR group in the division — ironic).

  363. 363 botto said at 3:39 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    dang that might be true! crap.
    maclin is way better then I thought though, way better.
    Matthews is the man and will be for a bit too.
    so we are close but maybe last

  364. 364 Tyler Phillips said at 4:59 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    No. Dallas has Dez n that’s it. WAS has deSean(when he feels like trying) garçon is slightly above avg. If huff n Matthews progress eagles will have 3 WRs capable of good to very good play. Giants probably the best. Not a lot of separation 1-4 ranking the teams either way due to quality/quantity differences on each team.

  365. 365 anon said at 5:22 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Garcon = Maclin in my eyes, lead the league in catches last year

  366. 366 D3FB said at 5:37 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I’d say Maclin is a little more explosive than Garcon, but overall not a bad comp. He’s definitely more than slightly above average.

  367. 367 fran35 said at 6:14 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Maclin is a bit more explosive, while garçon is more of a Boldin type. He runs much harder and breaks tackles much better but can’t break the big one deep as much.

  368. 368 GEAGLE said at 5:35 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Meh, boykin handles him well

  369. 369 b3nz0z said at 4:18 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    it’s also worth thinking about it in an arms race sort of way: if smith 2 can eventually develop into a barwin-type jack LB, he can help counter NYG’s offense by pressuring eli, covering the flat, and maybe even bumping receivers at the line. all of these can help reduce the damage a guy like ODB or dez can do. let’s say we picked up a stud WR instead of marcus . . .

  370. 370 anon said at 5:22 PM on December 23rd, 2014:


  371. 371 anon said at 3:49 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    You think a guy that literally can’t get on the field (for whatever reason) is going to b a pro bowl calibur OLB. You think he’s basically going to be Trent Cole next year? Even Cox took 3 years to explode and he was a monster from the start.

  372. 372 GEAGLE said at 4:26 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    No…Nevermind dude. Clearly missed the point. I wasn’t even talking about marcus smith lol

  373. 373 Insomniac said at 3:52 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Mosley (hard to find stud ILBs that young)
    Shazier (ridiculous upside)

  374. 374 BobSmith77 said at 8:41 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Believe it when I see it and there is a chasm he has to cross to play at that level. He has show he can even get on the field and contribute next year.

    i do think he is going to end up being considered a ‘bust’ even if he inevitably does get some starts at OLB eventually in another year or two.

  375. 375 Jernst said at 4:37 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Can we please talk about the giant elephant in the room that apparently no one wants to address…this entire season went to crap after Kempski stopped blogging in prep for his move over to philly voice. Can we just blame him for this other worldly collapse and move on?

  376. 376 RobNE said at 5:28 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    So selfish of him

  377. 377 D3FB said at 5:39 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Jimmy got a billboard. He’s gone full Hollywood. He must be stopped so the Eagles can win again.

  378. 378 P_P_K said at 7:38 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Very cool. Buy stock in Tommy Lawlor, Inc. now because he’s next.

  379. 379 Jernst said at 4:50 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Eagles two biggest needs that we have to get better play from to compete w the elites are QB and CB. I don’t think anyone disagrees with that. But, I don’t see anyone talking about Oline. Herremans is basically done. He’ll be 32 and ended the year on IR and has been the weak link the past two years even when healthy. Mathis is 33 and never looked like the former pro bowler this year and never seemed to play all that spectacularly after his injury. Peters will be 33 in January and while still a freak is starting to slow down and struggle at times against people he used to dominate. We can’t get old at 3 oline sits all at once. And the current backups have not inspired much confidence. RG is an immediate need and counting on Mathis and Peters for more than just 2015 is probably foolish. Time to infuse some oline talent.

  380. 380 GENETiC-FREAK said at 4:55 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    MIke Lupati is a FA.. Draft an OL for the future as well

  381. 381 oreofestar said at 5:09 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    He will be mad expensive

  382. 382 Ark87 said at 4:56 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I’ve been drumming up O-line talk for a few days now (wouldn’t blame you for not seeing it, the boards have been flooded these past few days). I’ve only heard Howie truly admit regret at a mistake he’s made a few times, saying he was devastated to not come away with any linemen in the middle rounds loaded with O-line talent, said coming out of the draft with none was devastating. We have an uphill battle turning over this line in the next few years and hope to not take steps back. Kudos to him not giving into Mathis’ demands for a raise. That definitely looks like the right call at this point.

  383. 383 GEAGLE said at 5:07 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Looking to move Hroniss Grasu to Guard, chip knows him from Oregon, and how athletic he is…we could get him in round two, and he is really a Center so he would also be Kelce’s 1st backüp…295lbs, when KELCE gets hurt we get Grasus size in there replacing him. Grasu is also very athletic.
    Arnie Koundijo 310lb Guard, who Stoutland spent time with at Alabama and also knows his older brother obviously. Another kid touted as an athletic interior Lineman… RD 2-3 for him
    Jake Fisher, Oregons RT who had to move to LT this year when Tyler Johnstone jacked his knee up in the summer..He could start his career at Guard, eventually move back to RT, when Lane takes over Left Tackle for Peters (by then hopefully we can sign Kyle Long in free agency to take over at Guard)
    Sabrilio is another OT to keep an eye on, but that’s D3FB’s boy.
    James Carpenter, 25yr old free agent Guard from Seattle that runs a lot of ZR, Although I haven’t taken a minute to know how similar or different our OL scheme is to Seattles, too depressed to look things up after the loss.
    Not sure how Iupati would fit either. They do a lot of zone reads and stuff with KAp but that’s a predominantly Power based run scheme in San Fran.. No idea how he would fit, Tho he is an elite player, and elite players can often transcend schemes

  384. 384 D3FB said at 5:12 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    He didn’t say it was a mistake he just said that teams took guys they liked before they had the chance to get them. Positional runs happen, there’s not much you can do.

  385. 385 Ark87 said at 5:47 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    semantics, his post draft interview you can definitely see the plan was to grab some big boys during the draft. Said he never saw anything like the run on linemen that happened. I’m not blaming him. But that was a bit of setback in the bigger picture.

  386. 386 GEAGLE said at 5:29 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I’m not ready to rule out Tobin having a future at LG.. But I have reached the point where I never want to see him play Guard on the right side again.,.

  387. 387 GEAGLE said at 4:59 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    What’s scary is I have no clue WTF we are going to do about the safety position. Devin McCourty will be the only event option available if the patriots DONT re sign him, and if he hit such a weak safety market, teams are going to get stuck overpaying him like crazy when some bad team throws stupid money at him…
    Then you get to the draft, and we are actually bad enough to possibly be in range for the top safety prospect, Landon Collins. just our Luck the top safety happens to be a terrible fit for our scheme. I having put in the time watching him yet because I never imagined we would collapse in December and pick high enough to land him, but it’s no secret he can’t play man to man defense on NFL a slots and TE’s…

    Thinking we will be stuck Drafting someone like Anthony Harris from Virginia, or the Jalen Mills kid From LSU who switched from CB to safety late in the 2013 season… Both of these kids are the type of safeties you can ask to play man defense so we have the option of staying in base instead of having a team force us into Nickel and then try and run on us… Assume they will go in the 2nd-3rd rd range..
    Our other glaring need is an outside CB. Just like Safety, slim pickings on the free agent Market, expecting a crazy bidding war for Byron Maxwell, and I doubt we will over pay for anyone…you get to the draft, and the kid who is easily the best CB is a maniac who has been kicked out of his school for fighting with like every coach possible.Marcus Peters. Who defended Jalen Strong better than anyone, gave Stanfords TY Montgomery a hard time. This kid is a knucklehead that most mock in round 2-3 when he should easily be the first CB drafted, good games against Oregon. But he is the last player I would bet fits chips “culture”,., so I assume the 6’2 190lb CB Jaylen Collins from LSU, or Alex Carter 6’0, 200lbs from Stanford… Problem is rookie Corners suck enough on their own, Imagine a stanford CB who’s stupid graduation rules force him to miss half the offseason camps. No way we could count on him for anything TIL ATleast half way into the season, and even that is ambitious expectation..

    It’s REALLY FRUSTRATING to know how bad we need a corner and a safety, in a crappy offseason to need a CB or a safety….smh.
    Had I known this, I would have rather traded up for Desmond Trufant a little higher, and drafted Travis Kelce in round 3 instead of Ertz, but then we wouldn’t have Bennie Logan which is more valuable to our future than I think a lot Of people realize…
    This would be all so much easier if a healthy Wolff, or Reynolds could surprise us and take command of the starting safety spot, but can’t be counting on longshots, and we know we can’t start Nate again

  388. 388 GENETiC-FREAK said at 5:12 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Chip has to go in improving talent this season.. Culture has been built now.. CB Peters only had trouble with his new coaches not with the one who recruited him.. Previous coach was a players coach thats something Chip is so i could see him playing well for Chip.. Chip cant go in believing scheme n culture over talent.

    Sounds like everyone getting on the Maxwell wishlist. Perfect fit.

    Im liking Durrell Eskridge.

  389. 389 GEAGLE said at 5:20 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Hey man, as long as he doesn’t get suspended, as long as he gets along with our locker room and ISNT a selfish player, I would be so hype to see chip draft him, especially since you know how thorough we will do our homework on him.

    Another issue is trying to Mock that kid… Talent wise, I would expect him to go on the 10-15 range, but a lot of people expecting him to fall to the 3rd, which is crazy talent for a 3rd round pick if his personality doesn’t come back to bite you.
    Selfish WR is one thing, but you can’t have selfish defenders. Defensive cohesion, playing for the man next to you, is just too crucial on the defensive end

  390. 390 GENETiC-FREAK said at 5:35 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Yeah man you dont know where he ends up.. Top CB talent with issues.. That think are blown up.. Can only do your research on him as a coach i guess.

    Just as long as all players have the want to win n do it for each other thats all good.

  391. 391 Tyler Phillips said at 6:32 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    He’s going to get drafted by the bengals. And probably end up being just fine in the head case dept.

  392. 392 GEAGLE said at 6:36 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    He will def end up drafted by one of the usual franchises that dint believe there is any such thing As “character concerns”…
    If amheadcase talent like him falls far enough, anyone will take a flier on his talent…but I would assume the bengals or Niners,take a flier on the talentef knuckleheads

  393. 393 Tyler Phillips said at 9:15 PM on December 23rd, 2014:


  394. 394 D3FB said at 5:53 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    The coach this year was Chris Peterson, not Greg Schiano.
    His position coach coached in the NFL, kind of a guy you should maybe listen to if you are going to declare.
    He headbutted an opposing receiver.
    He threw a temper tantrum, spiking his helmet and throwing his gloves on the sideline, then yelling at coaches.
    There are reports of him trying to choke out a coach.
    He was seen laughing at the end of a blowout loss to Oregon.
    Also the coaching staff who recruited him thought he was such a swell fellow that they suspended him for part of the bowl game.

  395. 395 GENETiC-FREAK said at 6:00 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    So you saying he can help this team or not? lol

  396. 396 D3FB said at 6:14 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    No. You’re claim that it was just a minor understanding between him and new coach is a massive undersell. If you’re going to try to push for a talented character flag CB, at least take PJ Williams. I likely won’t agree with you but there’s at least an argument to be made

  397. 397 anon said at 6:40 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    What’s the level of character issues you would overlook? Would you ever give a player the dez bryant treatment? Would you ever take a pacman jones, vontez burfict type of player.

    In other words, how low will you go?

  398. 398 GEAGLE said at 6:50 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Does it matter! Now that we have focused on culture for two years, and have a core in place in our locker room of high charecter close knit guys, the real question going forward is how much chip will tolerate, or how low will chip go? as you put it….it’s not a question we will ever get chip to answer honestly, but it’s interestingto keep an eye on, going forward with how this team will be built…

    I’m sure we all have different levels of tolerance for what we would offer look for a certain type of talent. Obviously I doubt chip will draft the next LT who is shocking crack before,running in the field and knccking QBs heads off, but I wonder if this high Charecter extreme is just how he is initially building the team, and we eventually see him take more chances on “problem child’s”,!the way Bellicheat did after a few years, or is chip always going to stick to the no tolerance, high character policy?
    Every kid is different, has to be a case by case,basis..
    Knowing now that the Honeybadger wouldn’t get suspended in the NFL for smoking weed, how much higher owuld have he been drafted? Not all mistakes, are mistakes young players are destined to repeat, have to take everything on a case by case basis

  399. 399 anon said at 7:00 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    it’ll be ineresting to see, i sort of think he’ll stick with high character guys.

    Though given the types of guy’s we’ve got it’s interesting to see the number of penalties this season and general undisciplined play as the season continues.

  400. 400 D3FB said at 7:05 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I wouldn’t give a player the Dez treatment it’s only because Jerry has convinced the local PD to look the other way on alot of things that Dez is still in the league.
    Pacman Jones got kicked out of the league twice. He’s been tied to hitting women and ordering shootings. Not exactly a guy you want your kid rooting for.
    I’d be willing to overlook some stuff if
    1. It fell under the category of being fairly common and not overly egregious for a early 20 something (ie being loosely involved in a bar fight at 3am, getting popped for a DUI where the player legit thought he was under the limit, public intoxication)
    2. It was an isolated incident, the player showed genuine contrition and otherwise was considered an upstanding person, player, and leader in the community.

  401. 401 anon said at 7:13 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Up to and including a ray rice? or just a riley cooper?

    I can’t totally decide what i think frankly. some guys are so talented that it’s worth it, especially if 85% of your guys are good guys. I’m trying to think of a team with choir boys that’s SB bound, though players with character issues break up just as many teams.

  402. 402 D3FB said at 7:25 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Riley got drunk and said something racist. Shitty behavior but it falls under the unfortunately common for drunk 20 somethings.

    Ray Rice KO’ed his fiance. Then stood there like it was no big deal, didn’t bother checking on her, showed no contrition.

    I can’t think of a Packer that would be considered a “bad guy”.

    Sherman has a big mouth and Lynch is eccentric but I wouldn’t consider any Seahawks to fall into that category.

  403. 403 GermanEagle said at 8:02 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Rule #187:

    Never – ever – tank a season in week 17.

  404. 404 Ark87 said at 8:07 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Why can’t the draft order be decided by a mixture of computers and secretive voters in a committee so if we get spanked bad enough (style points!) we might still have a shot a #1? Blast!

  405. 405 GermanEagle said at 8:27 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Just. Ask. The. Sixers.

  406. 406 ICDogg said at 8:12 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    The Saints are about 20M over the cap.

  407. 407 oreofestar said at 8:52 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Pretty bad management if you get that far over the cap and then they gave big money to Grham and Byrd last year to make it worse

  408. 408 anon said at 8:59 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Drew brees is like 35,what are you going to do when he retires? Broncos and Pats are all in similar situations.

  409. 409 oreofestar said at 9:11 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    If we are talking about cap then the Pats are actually not in quite a BSD spot but Broncos and Saints are in trouble once their Qbs are gonr

  410. 410 Tyler Phillips said at 9:14 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    They went all in for this year and boy did they screw up.

  411. 411 anon said at 8:24 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    “What do you mean it doesn’t matter?” Brady told Jim Gray of Westwood
    One during the Monday Night Football broadcast. “They all matter. . .
    . If you love competition and love NFL football, and I’m certainly one
    that loves that, so they all matter, they matter for our team, they
    matter for every team. This is all important to all of us. Certainly,
    when my number’s called, I’m going out there and doing the best I can.
    There’s nothing I love more than playing football and I hope I get to
    play a lot of it this Sunday.”

    Brady’s comments mesh with Tuesday’s remarks from coach Bill Belichick, and with Brady’s statements from a Tuesday press conference.

    “I think they all take on different meanings, and this is a big game
    for us in that it gives us an opportunity to try to improve certainly on
    last week’s performance and with the week off, you realize we’re going
    to have a little time to rest up,” Brady told reporters. “We just want
    to go out and play well and see if we can string together as many good
    plays as possible.”

  412. 412 Tyler Phillips said at 9:13 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    He has no perspective on the matter. And that’s a good thing. He hasn’t missed the playoffs since he became a starter, of course every game matters to him.

  413. 413 BobSmith77 said at 8:37 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Better late than never?

  414. 414 Tyler Phillips said at 9:11 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    God save us if they bring him back.