DL/LBs in Indy – A Mixed Bag

Posted: February 24th, 2015 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 272 Comments »

The Eagles have a good front seven. The problem is the secondary. Still, that doesn’t mean the Eagles won’t take a DL or LB if the right guy is on the board. Those guys can take over games and offer huge impact. Plus, there is some uncertainty at OLB and ILB.

Let’s talk about some guys of interest. I’m not looking for DL specifically because the Eagles would seem to be set with Thornton-Logan-Cox up front. Still, you can’t help but be interested in some guys.

* If Arik Armstead is on the board at pick 20, do you pass on him? He measured in at 6-7, 292 and showed good agility for such a high-cut guy. He’s only 20. Armstead didn’t wow with numbers, but looked good. Really intriguing guy because of just how good he can be if he puts it all together.

* Henry Anderson continues to have a good postseason. He would be an interesting player to throw into the DE mix. He is 6-6, 294 and has long arms. Anderson showed good movement skills in Indy after impressing at the Senior Bowl.

* Mario Edwards is similar in size to Vinny Curry. Beyond that, they’re different. Curry had a relentless motor and was highly productive. Edwards was too heavy and didn’t really get in good shape until the middle of 2014. He did play well once he got into shape. Edwards posted solid numbers, but didn’t stand out in Indy. I don’t think he has the attitude to fit the Eagles culture.

* If the Eagles want a NT to add to the mix late, JT Surratt of South Carolina looked interesting. I have not watched game tape of him. He’s only 6-1, 304, but the Eagles seem flexible with it comes to NTs and size. Leterrius Walton of CMU is another guy I don’t know, but he’s 6-5, 319 and has a background playing baseball and basketball. Sounds like someone Kelly could be interested in.

Now for the edge rushers…the OLBs.

* Bud Dupree could be a guy that falls to pick 20. He measured in at 6-4, 267 and ran very well. He wasn’t able to do the on-field workout. You know the Eagles love that size/speed combo in an OLB.

* I was disappointed in Trey Flowers. He looked more like a DE than LB.

* Danielle Hunter is fascinating. He is 6-5, 252 and ran 4.57. He has 34 1/4 inch arms and 10 1/2 inch hands. This sounds like the body Chip Kelly would mold for OLB. Hunter isn’t instinctive or productive, though, and that makes him a bit of a risk.

* Nate Orchard was a sack machine during the season and looked great at the Senior Bowl, but had issues in Indy. He didn’t test well and I thought he looked stiff in the drills. More DE than LB.

* Owamagbe Odighizuwa tested lights out. He’s 6-3, 267. He showed speed, strength, explosion. He has long arms and 11-inch hands. This is another guy Kelly will love based on numbers. The tape isn’t as good as the numbers. The Eagles have to figure out how he would look as an OLB.

* I didn’t come away feeling strongly about Preston Smith. I like him quite a bit, but I’m not sure if he’s right for the Eagles. Smith is huge at 6-5, 271. He could be a DE or OLB. Smith tested well, but I thought he looked a bit stiff in the drills. Very interesting guy.

* Zach Wagenmann of Montana looked agile and athletic. He’s only 6-3, 247, though. Marcus Smith was 6-3, 251 when the Eagles picked him. They felt he had the frame to add weight. I don’t have a good feel for whether Wagenmann could bulk up or if he’s maxed out his frame.

* One player I’ve liked for a while is Eli Harold of Virginia. He tested well and looked good in the drills. Harold is 6-3, 247. Has he maxed out that frame or can he get bigger? One issue…small hands. Kelly prefers his players to have big hands.

* Lorenzo Mauldin didn’t impress me. He has a great frame at 6-4, 259, but he didn’t run well and he looked stiff.

Finally, the ILBs.

* Coach Rick Minter was on the field and watching the drills up close. That doesn’t mean anything specifically, but it does show interest.

* We don’t know if the Eagles want an athlete or a thumper so we’ll talk about both types.

* Paul Dawson is the headliner. He had a great Senior season and was talked about as a potential 1st round pick at WLB for 4-3 teams or ILB for 3-4 teams. Dawson had a disastrous Combine. He weighed in at 235 pounds and then ran 4.93. He only had a 28-inch vertical jump. He didn’t look good at all. This doesn’t mean that he can’t play, but you have to really figure out what you think of him.

* One player who had a strong showing is Stephone Anthony from Clemson. He’s bigger at 6-3, 243 and ran/jumped well. Anthony had a good showing in Mobile as well. I would think the Eagles have to be interested in him.

* If the Eagles want a late round player to add to the mic, Bryce Hager from Baylor could be of interest. He looks solid on tape and showed good athletic ability in Indy. He lacks ideal size at 6-1, 234, but Hager moves well and could be a good backup/STer.

* UCLA star Eric Kendricks turned out to be smaller than I anticipated. He’s only 6-0. 232. Kendricks has good instincts and showed good athleticism in Indy. He could eventually bulk up to 240 and still carry it well. Would you want him playing along side his brother, Mychal Kendricks?

* Denzel Perryman measured in at 5-11, 236. I was hoping he’d be over 240. He ran okay, at 4.78, but that’s not good. Perryman didn’t impress me in the drills. You could see his athletic limitations. I still like him very much and think he could be a 2nd round consideration.

* Jake Ryan from Michgan could be interesting in the late rounds. He is 6-2, 240. That’s a good frame. Ryan ran well, 4.65. He posted solid numbers all around. I thought he looked pretty good in the drills. Ryan would need time to develop, but should help on STs right away.

* Shaq Thompson deserves his own post and a discussion on whether he is a S or LB.

* I was disappointed in Tony Washington. He looked good at Oregon and I thought he might be a late round steal for the Eagles. Washington did not test well and looked awkward in the drills.


272 Comments on “DL/LBs in Indy – A Mixed Bag”

  1. 1 Mitchell said at 12:57 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Anthony is really starting to grow on me and I still like Mauldin. I think Mauldin looked faster on tape. W/e though it just pushes him down the boards. Was MSII drafted to be the predator or the Jack? Regardless Dupree is looking super tasty at #20. I was extremely surprised by his athleticism. He was also asked to cover flats at Kentucky and I thought he did a good job. If he is our predator I can’t imagine he would have to do much else.

  2. 2 D3FB said at 2:25 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Dupree will not be there at 20.

    I gave him a top 10 grade two months ago.

    And then he showed up at 6’4, 270lbs ran a 4.56, has a 42″ vert and 11’6″ broad.

  3. 3 T_S_O_P said at 3:02 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Though J J Watt made it to 11 in 2011. Boy did I want him, regardless of the scheme that we were running!

  4. 4 D3FB said at 3:18 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Yea he was fun to watch, but one of Watt’s problem was people didn’t know where to project him position wise (Bud fits both), plus other than Gabbert and Locker the players that went ahead of him were: Cam, Von Miller, Marcell Dareus, AJ Green, Patrick Peterson, Aldon Smith, and Tyron Smith.

    Players I could sleep if I drafted over Dupree this year: Marcus Mariota and Kevin White and maybe Leonard Williams.

  5. 5 Baloophi said at 3:31 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Where would you have slotted Kevin White in last year’s historic WR class (pre-draft)? Between Sammy Watkins and Mike Evans?

  6. 6 D3FB said at 3:44 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    I’d put him ahead of Watkins due to size.

  7. 7 Baloophi said at 3:57 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    He’s going to be a monster. Hope he doesn’t land in the NFC East… Unless that means he’s got wings on his helmet.

  8. 8 Anders said at 4:05 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Him+Desean would be a scary pair if he lasts to 5th overall

  9. 9 Baloophi said at 4:20 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Would also immediately improve RG3…

  10. 10 Avery Greene said at 4:28 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    I don’t think RG3’s problems are weapons, I think it’s durability and coaching.

  11. 11 Jason said at 5:31 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Washington needs so much help on defense and just brought in two WR FA last season.

  12. 12 ACViking said at 1:45 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Then, it follow, you must be very critical of the trade Buffalo made.

    Or do you include other factors in assessing that deal — prospectively only, please.

  13. 13 D3FB said at 1:47 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    It was an incredibly stupid deal, made by a GM desperate to impress what was to be a new ownership group.

  14. 14 Mitchell said at 8:52 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Someone has got to fall whether it be an edge rusher, receiver, or lineman.

  15. 15 GEAGLE said at 1:00 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    need to start putting together a list of the kids who we know have 100% no shot of falling to #20… we arent going to be able to know which kids will make up the top 19, but we should atleast be able to list 8-14 names with certainty who cant possibly fall to 20, that way we can atleast have an idea which of the 6 -10 prospects we will likely be choosing from if we stay at #20

  16. 16 ACViking said at 1:42 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    It’s exactly because of comments like this that you cannot deny being Belichick.

  17. 17 ICDogg said at 2:44 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    “Was MSII drafted to be the predator or the Jack?” I think the concept was to have mirror guys who could switch off roles, much like they wanted to do with the safeties.

  18. 18 Weapon Y said at 12:59 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    If you knew you could get a third round draft pick for Cedric Thornton or Bennie Logan, would you select any DL of your choice at pick 20? Basically, the question is would you give up a 1st and Thornton/Logan for a 3rd and Danny Shelton/Arik Armstead? It would make little sense to not try to recover some value if you already have 3 starting-caliber DL (IMO 4 because of Curry) and then take another starting-caliber DL.

  19. 19 D3FB said at 2:36 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    No. For Both.

    Shelton is inconsistent. He excels as an interior pass rusher and when left alone one on one. He hustles well to the ball. However he’s not a 2 gap NT. He becomes very average when playing against better blockers in the run game. He doesn’t handle double teams well and Hronis Grasu took his damn lunch money. The Ngata comparisions are lazy and based on the fact that he’s Polynesian. The Poe comparisons are bad because he’s not on the same planet as Poe from an athletic standpoint. Wilfork comparisions are bad because he’s not an overwhelming 2 gapper. He get’s love because he’s a great interior pass rusher. He doesn’t fit the scheme here and is overhyped in general. For him to succeed I think he needs a DC that will get creative with him and let him be an attacking player. In that situation he could be a massive Jay Ratliff.

    With Armstead you’re essentailly drafting hoping that he turns into Leonard Williams in two or three years. Right now he’s long, pretty strong, and decently athletic for his size. But you’re also talking about a player who won’t be on the board for half the teams. I think he is a weird fit in a 43, he’s too tall to play DT and most teams don’t run a Base end who is a primary run stuffer much anymore. So you’re looking at 43 under teams as a 5 tech and 34 teams as a DE. Figure about half of those teams are financially or draft pick invested in their starter at that position, now you’re down to like 8-10 teams. Figure in those teams have bigger needs at more important positions, I don’t know that he’s even going to go in round 1.

    That’s nice but you currently have players better than him, who are young and won’t break the bank to resign. You have a stud in Cox and two above average players in Thorton and Logan. Allen provides a nice cheap quality backup, and Hart is a young guy with a realistic chance to become an above average player at the position.

    You’re also not getting a third back for an interior run stuffer who is an RFA. You’re also not getting that back for Bennie. It’s a good draft for DT’s, trade market will offer very little. Also you would be dealing from a position of weakness with teams already knowing you needed to offload a player.

  20. 20 ACViking said at 1:11 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Belichick on the rise.

  21. 21 GEAGLE said at 8:15 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    bennie Logan for me is untouchable… there can be a discussion about upgrading Thornton because it hurts us that he is only a 2 down player. If we are going to have a 2 down player it is our NT, not our DE, especially when we will lose vinny currys pass rush which compensates for the lack of pass rush ability thornton doesnt bring to the table…. but Bennie Logan should be untouchable with how he has performed as a young NT

  22. 22 ceedubya9 said at 9:23 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Man I hope they are able to keep Curry. Even though he grew up an Eagles’ fan, it would be hard to turn down the money that he would surely get on the open market.

  23. 23 GEAGLE said at 10:24 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    i will be sick when we lose him…. hopefully something miraculous happens and we can get 3 or 4 more years of Curry… bet i wouldnt bet on it.. trying to mentally prepare for losing one of my very favorite young Eagles..

  24. 24 jpate said at 10:11 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Hypothetically if eagles were still 43 you think Logan would be as good DT? I think this 43 front 7 would be great- Graham, Cox, Logan/thornton, curry with LBs Barwin kendricks and ryans.

  25. 25 GEAGLE said at 10:27 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    yes I do… heck Logan may provide more Pass rush than Cedrick Thornton does, which shouldnt be the case when talking about a NT… i think Logan will be a fantastic eagle. he can play 4-3 DT, he can play 3-4 DE(he even played it some last year when him and Beau were in the game at the same time, and i also think he can be one of the best and most complete NT in the nfl….

    that kid had a pretty awesome year and showed massive growth since his rookie year. I get Giddy thinking about how much better he should be in year 3

  26. 26 xeynon said at 1:12 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    I don’t think a marginal upgrade at DL is worth passing on a chance to draft a top prospect at DB, LB, or OL. Too much age and/or lack of talent in those areas of the team.

  27. 27 Weapon Y said at 3:22 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Depends on how marginal the upgrade is. I see Logan as a good nose tackle, but not one who teams have to game plan around. I think Shelton could be that guy. Dontari Poe might actually be the best comparison now that I think about it.

  28. 28 xeynon said at 4:02 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Shelton would have to be head-and-shoulders as a NT prospect above what Waynes, Dupree, Peters, etc. are as prospects at their positions. If opposing teams can game plan around your great NT by running at your crappy LBs or throwing at your terrible DBs, having him doesn’t help you much.

  29. 29 Weapon Y said at 11:56 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Right. I need to do more amateur scouting myself, but I like what I see so far and do think he could be head-and-shoulders above the pack. If I decide he isn’t, then that trade isn’t worth it. I completely agree with you.

  30. 30 Matt said at 1:34 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Do you think one of the top OLB prospects, Dupree, Fowler, Beasley, Ray, or Gregory, will still be there at pick 20?

  31. 31 D3FB said at 2:53 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Ray is a 43 end. I don’t see him being able to play 34 backer. He’s also a speed rush only guy who isn’t great against the run and doesn’t use his hands, and frankly I don’t even have a first on him.

    Dupree is obviously the dream scenario, he can rush, drop, and play the run, but he’s my top EDGE player based off tape, and then he showed up in INDY and pretty much dominated.

    Fowler is a nice player, but he’s going to draw interest from alot of 43 teams as well as 34. Probably also going to go very high.

    I have no clue where to peg Gregory. He really weighed in light and said he was anywhere from 220-240 during the season. You’re going to really have to get him with the strength coach and the nutritionist. Fortunately he does have a frame that you should be able to fill out with another 20-30lbs, and he was a JUCO guy so he’s raw in regards to those types of things. How much this hurts his stock remains to be seen.

    That leaves Beasley. Beasley weighed in at 245 but he was playing under 230 this season. He’s a finesse guy who wins on quickness. I just don’t know that you can feel comfortable with a guy like that trying to set the edge 20 times a game. I think the best thing for him would be a Von Miller/Bruce Irvin spot where you give them a limited role as an off the ball linebacker for 2 downs and then use them as a pass rusher on third.

  32. 32 Mitchell said at 9:16 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Gregory was a bit light because he has been sick.

  33. 33 Baloophi said at 3:01 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    My two cents: Fowler and Gregory will almost certainly be gone before 20, and probably Ray (who may not be a fit for us anyway). Beasley and Dupree have a better chance of making it to 20 but – as we know – teams don’t want to hesitate when it comes to pass rushers. SEE D3FB’s thoughts for more nuance and general intellect.

  34. 34 ACViking said at 1:45 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    In Kelly’s first two drafts, he seems to have put a big emphasis on actual production in college — as opposed to projected success in the NFL.

    Johnson, Ertz, Logan. Barkley, Wolff in 2013. The all started and produced in college.

    Last year it was MSmith II, who was 2nd in the NCAA in sacks, Matthews set an SEC career receiving receiving record, Huff was a 4-year contributor at Oregon whose role and output increased every season, and Hart was a 3-year starter at DE and DT.

    Does Armstead fit that profile? His 3-year total production at Oregon barely topped what Hart did in just his senior year.

    I understand that Armstead is very gifted athletically. And has the tools to be dominant. Not Reggie White dominant. But an impact guy.

    Yet so far Kelly seems to have gone for on-field college production in his draft choices.

    That’s why projecting Jalen Collins to the Eagles seems to cut against the grain of the last two years.

    At least to my non-professional eye.

  35. 35 D3FB said at 2:58 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Good point. I think the closest you could say he’s come to drafting potential over production was Joe Kruger who only started 14 games and most agree he came out too early. But then again most people thought Kruger was a fringe top 100 guy and we got him in the middle of the seventh.

  36. 36 Media Mike said at 4:57 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    So that would put Nate Orchard and Kikaha in play.

  37. 37 Anders said at 5:03 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Orchard is not meant to drop back imo. He would be a perfect fit in a 4-3

  38. 38 Media Mike said at 5:10 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Gotcha. Maybe he’s a guy in consideration for taking over Curry’s spot if we (smartly) move Curry for a draft pick this year rather than losing him for nothing next off season to a 4-3 team.

  39. 39 Anders said at 5:19 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    I do not see him as a Curry type. He is more Trent Cole or Graham type (neither is meant to drop back and is perfect fits for the 4-3)

  40. 40 Christopher Miller said at 9:09 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Would that mean Perryman is a possibility? I would love him paired with kendricks

  41. 41 eagleyankfan said at 9:20 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    “Helping but not deciding”. That’s the crux. If those decisions weren’t Howie — then why all the reshuffling of the staff? That’s saying Chip already had control, so why did Chip need to be crowned King when he was already the King? One would think, all the reshuffling took place because those decisions were Howies — but again, that’s saying Howie loved those Oregon players? The reshuffling smells an awful like what to DJ. Nobody knows the “why” it happened, we can only guess…

  42. 42 ICDogg said at 2:50 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    the next Marlon Favorite?


  43. 43 Baloophi said at 3:07 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    He looks like an Art Deco hood ornament…

  44. 44 D3FB said at 3:19 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    a lil something like this


  45. 45 Baloophi said at 3:24 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    That’s the T-1000’s broad jump from the ’92 Combine…

  46. 46 GermanEagle said at 6:20 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    If you put him in an Eagles jersey and voila…

  47. 47 Anders said at 6:39 AM on February 24th, 2015:


  48. 48 Michael Winter Cho said at 9:37 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Do you guys remember the Photoshop thread of this pic? I have not laughed as hard since, I think. Alcohol was involved, of course…

  49. 49 Avery Greene said at 10:19 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    You made me go look so now I’m sharing…


  50. 50 Avery Greene said at 10:19 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    I like this one.


  51. 51 Avery Greene said at 10:20 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    And one we would all love to see.


  52. 52 Michael Winter Cho said at 11:13 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Excellent! The best moment of TATE, for my taste.

  53. 53 GermanEagle said at 10:16 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Someone forgot to re-fresh his Disqus I guess?!

  54. 54 A_T_G said at 10:32 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Hmm, Anders’ is bigger…

  55. 55 GermanEagle said at 1:12 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    How do you know?! lol…!

  56. 56 T_S_O_P said at 2:54 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    He lacks ideal size at 6-1, 234, but Hager moves well and could be a good backup/STer.

    Tommy, is that a cut and paste from 1989? I din’t mind him as a late rounder, as long as we dont give up four draft picks for him!!!

  57. 57 Sconces said at 3:31 AM on February 24th, 2015:


  58. 58 Baloophi said at 3:54 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    T_S_O_P is referencing Bryce Hager’s father, Britt, a linebacker who the Eagles drafted in 1989 after trading 7 picks for him (5th rounder, and 8th – 12th rounders). Lost in the gauzy, kelly green hued memory of the Buddy Ryan era are mind-boggling moves like that.

    Gather round and warm yourself by the hearth, it won’t be long until ACViking settles into his chair, packs his pipe, and regales us with yarns about a linebacker named Britt from the sun-scorched plains of Odessa…

  59. 59 Media Mike said at 4:52 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    AC isn’t the only guy around here who can spin a yarn of yesteryear.

  60. 60 Media Mike said at 4:52 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Brit Hager may be the Eagle with the worst haircut in the history of the team.

  61. 61 Anders said at 4:53 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Worse than this? http://a.espncdn.com/i/magazine/new/freddie_mitchell.jpg

  62. 62 Media Mike said at 4:56 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Yes, it was a dirty back of a mullet that extended beyond his helmet. He may have cut it after his rookie year however.

  63. 63 GEAGLE said at 8:18 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    ahhhh fred ex… smh what a character

  64. 64 D3FB said at 3:21 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Zach Wagenmann is one of my favorite day 3 guys. Super productive FCS guy (although the Big Sky and CAA can hang with most non power 5 confrences). Good size, solid rusher who wins with moves and flexibility, which is important to see at the lower levels. He’s got a longer lean frame that you should be able to fill out a little bit more. Plays with relentless drive.

    Was given the number 37 from Jordan Tripp (37 at Montana is apparently like 18 is at LSU).

    Here’s tape of him playing on the coolest turf in the country, chasing down the QB who is going to start for Oregon next year.


  65. 65 Baloophi said at 4:09 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Added bonus? “Wagenmann” Google translated from German is “Dare Man.”

    Sign him up! Dare Man sounds perfect for our special teams.

  66. 66 GermanEagle said at 6:18 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Ha! My translation tells me ‘car man’.

  67. 67 Baloophi said at 10:53 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Obviously I trust your translation, but maybe that’s an even better nickname… As long as it doesn’t become “Used Car Man” after getting cut…

  68. 68 A_T_G said at 11:10 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Eh, speak for yourself.

    I have no intention of allowing GermanEagle to derail our DaVinci Code-like discovery of the hidden draft secret with his “facts” and “native speaker” experience.

    Zach Wagenmann IS the man.

  69. 69 Baloophi said at 12:15 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Good point. Why would we suddenly start relying on “evidence” and “truth” and “the scientific method” in this space?

    So back to the DareMan / The Man conspiracy – so far we’ve only focused on his last name, but what to make of his first? In my day, a Zack (or “Zach”) either meant you were stalking the halls of Bayside stirring up trouble for Principal Belding, or you suffered from early-stage objectophilia centering on a certain set of plastic construction toys…


  70. 70 GermanEagle said at 1:11 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Gentlemen, fuck my roots, I politely concur!

  71. 71 A_T_G said at 10:02 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    …AND, dare in english sounds like der in German, the masculine pronoun. So, basically, his name says that he is “the man.”

    In common usage, “Zach Wagenmann? Oh, he is the man.”

  72. 72 Media Mike said at 4:55 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    I’ve snagged him in a few mocks in the 7th. As best I can tell, he’s a quality guy to stash on the roster for a year as you add some strength to him.

    I’d also be interesting in seeing how he worked in a special teams kamikaze role. He seems like a dude who would 100% run full speed down field on a kick and destroy some loser in Giants blue.

  73. 73 eagleyankfan said at 9:26 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    with all the talk of the Eagles moving up to grab Mariota(latest rumor has the Eagles moving up to 5 to get him)…do you see any scenario where the Eagles move up to like 15ish to target someone? It almost sounds like it’s worth the Eagles dropping back….

  74. 74 Media Mike said at 4:47 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    I’m glad my repetitious drafting of Walton got him on Tommy’s radar.

    I think he’d be an interesting later round player to add to the DL mix as the 7th guy who isn’t active most weeks as a rookie. It would nice to see him cross trained at both DE and NT.

  75. 75 Media Mike said at 5:02 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Pat Kirwan on Sirius yesterday was talking about looking for guys as “explosive athletes” if you combine their vertical jump in inches, broad jump in feet, and reps on the bench (although he shares D3FB’s love of the power clean and often asks prospects he interviews about their numbers in power clean) and get to 70 or higher.

    He specifically mentioned Anthony from Clemson as a guy who his that number. (37 – 10’2″ – 23)He also mentioned that he was going to go back and watch some Clemson film to get a better read on Anthony.

    In either case, I hope I’m in the car as Pat gets to that breakdown.

  76. 76 GermanEagle said at 6:43 AM on February 24th, 2015:


  77. 77 RogerPodacter said at 1:48 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    > Maxwell/Jackson
    > Searcy/Moore
    > McPhee/Worilds/BG

    think we have the cap space for one of each group?
    i wonder if we need to cut or renegotiate Cole’s contract to make space.

  78. 78 GermanEagle said at 1:52 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    I honestly think so! Provided we release Cary and cut Cole’s contract or fully release him..

  79. 79 GEAGLE said at 2:37 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    not so sure cary is getting cut or restructured…. i sure as hell wouldnt mind him seeing Cary replaced with Max, but i wouldnt at all be surprised to see Cary start opposite of Nolan on the outside next year, but if thats what we will start at CB, im going to need a significant investment into the safety playing next to Jenkins… either 1 CB or Nate need to be upgraded significantly…id prefer a safety like searcy because i think a searcy and jenkins safety tandem can really help our corners have a better year, so i think just by paying for searcy we would be improving our CB position

  80. 80 GermanEagle said at 2:44 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    The only possibility for Cary to see all of his money in 2015 is if the Eagles miss out on bascially all CBs in this Free Agency.
    Otherwise there’s not really a point of paying an above-average salary to an average CB at best.

  81. 81 anon said at 2:50 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    yeah why overpay him vs someone who is actually good.

  82. 82 GEAGLE said at 3:01 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    not my call… we shall see what the eagles will do.
    think i wouldnt exchange Cary for Byron if it werent up to me, im a defensive maniac who doesnt even like offense and havent seen a top defense since my favorite coach in ohilly history passed away…. byron Maxwell? yes please… would i bet on it happening? probably not…sure as hell love to be wrong… i certainly dont like Didinger parading around CSN talking about my boy Davon House as a legit target, when there is still hope for Maxwell
    then again i have to see what numbers are being thrown around for Maxwell, if his price tag is really absurd, id rather pony up the rest and pay absurd price for Justin houston if KC is dumb enough not to tag him
    If we talking more than Barwin money, Id rather pay for another OLB then give a CB insane money

  83. 83 GermanEagle said at 3:12 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    I hear you. But we NEED corners!!! The Dez Bryant’s, ODB’s and DeSean’s are already licking their jaccpots!

  84. 84 RogerPodacter said at 4:04 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    i dunno. i think that if we drop Cary, we would need TWO CBs. just signing one FA and releasing Cary isn’t going to help us much. I don’t want to depend on Nolan Carroll taking the spot by default.. but i could live with Nolan & Cary fighting for the job and keeping both of them…

    Edit: left out the obvious ideal scenario where we sign two upper-tier FA CBs, but i’m not sure thats terribly likely.

  85. 85 phillychuck said at 2:47 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Byron Maxwell can’t cover DeSean Jackson, but I think he could be pretty effective vs ODB or Dez.

  86. 86 GermanEagle said at 2:58 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Why can’t he?! Byron ran a 4.42 at the Combine. I would love to see this matchup!

  87. 87 phillychuck said at 3:06 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Jackson is both faster and quicker than Maxwell. Combine times aside. I’d be pretty shocked if Maxwell could stay with DeSean.

  88. 88 GermanEagle said at 3:08 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    And like I said. I’d be thrilled to see this!

  89. 89 KAJomo said at 7:26 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    This may be the most frustrating offseason as a fan. I, like many of you, enjoy doing mock drafts and offseason plans. Yet we have no idea if we will trade up for Mariota, draft a guy like hundley, or stick with Foles. Add in the fact that this is Chips first year of calling all the shots and it is impossible to have any idea of what might happen. It takes some of the fun out of it for me.

  90. 90 GEAGLE said at 8:12 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Tom: Big Big” Owamagbe Odighizuwa tested lights out. He’s 6-3, 267″ Fan, but I have a feeling that if the eagles were to draft him, we would use him as an interior pass rusher to replace Vinny Curry, rather than us move him to OLB.. I can see him being a guy we move inside, who wont be a great 2 gapper like Vinny, but can provide the 3rd down pass rush that Thornton lacks..
    If arik Armstead falls to 20, would I pass on him? probably… but I doubt chip kelly and the eagles would pass on him… if he falls to 20, it would take a really enticing kid like Dupree to be available for there to be any chance the Eagles pass on Armstead at 20.. been high on his ceiling all year, it will take a really high cal;iber talent falling to 20 to get chip to pass on Armstead
    not sure what people were expecting out of kendricks, but to me he measured pretty much how he was expected to measure besides the 40 time.. but his height and weight were accurately listed all season. i dont see a big discrepency between how he was listed, and how he actually measured at the combine,… love the kid
    Dupree is a beast, I would make him the 2nd OLB drafted after Fowler. doubt dupree is available at 20…falling past 15 would surprise me

  91. 91 Michael Winter Cho said at 9:35 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Very interesting article about how the combine scores correlate to NFL success: http://www.advancedfootballanalytics.com/index.php/home/research/draft/232-nfl-combine-what-does-history-tell-us

  92. 92 bill said at 10:43 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Laughed really hard looking at the DE chart, and seeing Gocong and Teo-Neishem on there.

  93. 93 A_T_G said at 11:18 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    AQ Shipley, LJ Smith DRC, there were disappointments littered throughout those lists.

  94. 94 bill said at 12:33 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Not laughing at the article – he did a good job qualifying his claims. And obviously, there’s plenty of disappointment in the charts, because his claim is not related to that; I just found it funny that two of the least popular picks from the “2nd 5” of the Reid era were “moneyball” type guys at DE.

  95. 95 A_T_G said at 1:22 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Yep, I was agreeing with you. I would scan the list, see an Eagle, and think, “Oh yeah, it is a shame he didn’t work out.”

    It is interesting, though, to see DTN. He was a bit of a head-scratcher when he was picked. Maybe someone was looking at similar numbers as the author.

  96. 96 ACViking said at 1:07 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Using NFL.com Combine Tracker “Top Performers,” you can see who’s set the highest mark over the past 10 years of so in each event at each position.

    Not often has the record setter at a particular position become an NFL star.

    For example, the Eagles’ Jeff Maehl set the 3-cone standard at 6.42 not just for WRs, but for *all* positions.

    But there are a handful of exceptions — with the best for last here.

    Chis Johnson’s of course the record setter in the 40 for RBs and all other positions.

    The Saints Brandin Cooks holds the WR record for the 20-yard shuttle. While early, he looks like the real deal.

    Vernon Davis set the bar in the 40 for TEs.

    Eric Berry in the vertical for S.

    Jaime Collins in the broad jump for LBs.

    And . . . drum roll . . . big Lane Johnson holds the Combine record for OL in broad jump (missed the 40 by .01). And nifty JKelce’s the OL leader in the 20 yd shuttle. Kelce’s among the best already at C. LJ? He seems to be on his way to the top.


  97. 97 Insomniac said at 1:30 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    If you want to be elite in this league, you need elite traits. It’ll either be agility, speed, hands, power, or understanding of the game. The article doesn’t mean anything seeing how the elites of their position have a combination of those traits even if they’re not in top 15% of combine history in one of those traits (that’s a lot of players).

  98. 98 Michael Winter Cho said at 1:11 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    I saw that, but it didn’t inspire laughter from me.

  99. 99 Mac said at 1:12 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Teo-Neishem was a good draft pick and a decent player. Washburn is a bum.

  100. 100 LookLikeTarzanPlayLikeTarzanAl said at 9:44 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Kikaha- Judo Champion, Sack Master!
    Owamagbe Odighizuwa—-tape is better than advertised

  101. 101 GEAGLE said at 10:36 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    would love Owamagbe to eventually play vinny Currys interior pass rush role. a kid who will line up both at 4-3 DE and 4-3 DT on 3rd down when we go to our 4man pass rush line

  102. 102 LookLikeTarzanPlayLikeTarzanAl said at 5:09 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    That would be a great fit. But I wouldn’t be opposed to him playing the predator on a limited basis, to see if he can hang in match ups that he can win. Verses plodding Tight Ends, bigger RBs. I think the kid has good athleticism, but haven’t seen him do a lot in coverage. A role similar to McPhee’s would be good

  103. 103 GEAGLE said at 7:07 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    you are right tho, he is def a kid we can move around to rush from different positions.. fit in perfectly since its not uncommon to see us lineup Cox and Curry inside, but at times they also line up as 4-3 DE… Omigawbe fits in as a kid who we can move around so he can try to exploit different match ups

  104. 104 Mark Sitko said at 10:28 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    My favorite OLB and ILB are not on this list – what do you think of Bernardrick McKinney? He jumped out on tape and was the only ILB that looked like a Bowman type in the entire draft – 6’4″ – 246 – ran a 4.66 and benched 16. I think he is clearly the top ILB – do you like him at all? Am I missing something. And then my favorite OLB is Dante Fowler – 6’3″ – 261 – ran 4.60 – put up 19. Did you leave these guys out because they will be gone at 20?

  105. 105 GermanEagle said at 10:32 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    16 reps for a ILB are quite pitiful…

  106. 106 GEAGLE said at 10:32 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    Fowler should be gone by 20, i think he is probably the best edge rusher in this draft. violent, powerful kid.
    McKinney should def be available at #20, but i wouldnt draft him if Kendrick is still available, and i dont even have to think about it. it would be an easy decision if it were up to me… i would rather trade back a few spots and draft kendricks if we are considering Benardrick at #20 which is probably a tad bit too high.
    curious to see who the first LB drafted will be this year and when will he come off the board

  107. 107 GEAGLE said at 11:23 AM on February 24th, 2015:

    crazy how Coughlin coached the Giants for 11 years, only has two seasons with better than a 9-7 record and missed the playoffs 5 of the past 6 years,,, yet this dude has two superbowls and we got 14 years of andy? grrrrrrrr

  108. 108 Mac said at 1:12 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    It is very statistically unlikely… and evidence that I submit that talent and coaching get a team into the playoffs and once you’re there the playing field is close to level enough that the SB champion is largely decided by luck.

  109. 109 GEAGLE said at 2:29 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    oh i def agree,, just get us into the dance, hopefully on a nice win streak playing your best ball, and you have a chance against anyone.. think the defenses and ability to run the ball make more of a difference then the QBs.. chances are you arent 1 of the 12 teams that make the playoffs having an incompetant QB…defense, ability to run the ball in january, and ability to pressure and hit opposing QBs is what really gives you the best chance in the playoffs.. i dont care if a team has better WRs, has better corners, has better the higher rated QB, dominate the trenches, and you will most likely hit there QB more than they hit yours and you will most likely be able to run the ball more than they run it on you…you get all of that just by dominating the trenches.. win those battles, good chance you advance in the playoffs

  110. 110 wee2424 said at 4:28 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Sometimes things just dont make sense. Thats when you shrug yur shoulders and just say ok.

  111. 111 GEAGLE said at 12:33 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    The Jets are considered one of the “primary suitors” for free agent CB Byron Maxwell.
    The New York Post’s Brian Costello heard at the Combine the Jets and Eagles are “the two teams fighting for him.” Antonio Cromartie also makes sense for the Jets given his familiarity with the organization, but that’s only if they miss on Maxwell. New York could free up cap room for Maxwell by dropping underachieving wideout Percy Harvin.-roto
    when was the last time we heard the eagles leak a free agent target that we actually ended up signing?

  112. 112 ACViking said at 12:47 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Makes sense.

    Jets have the 4th most cap space — more than double the Eagles (not including rollover, which Sam Lynch would have to explain).

    And Woody Johnson seems the kind of owner who’d want his new regime to make a splash. And then another. And another.

  113. 113 wee2424 said at 1:22 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Yup, they came straight out and said they would be aggresive in FA, and they have the means to do so. It is scary because they really want Revis and thats a HUGE payday. If they cant get him (which they probably wont), then they would have no problem paying for the next best thing at a lower rate. If he does go to Jets, i bet you they vastly over pay him.

  114. 114 wee2424 said at 1:18 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    If it is true i hope Maxwell would want to come to an organization that does more winning then not. Of course that depends if the FA is not ALL about the money. The Jets may be willing to fork out more cash but the Birds do have more positive variables then the Jets do. He sees that we have Jenkins behind him and its obvious we are in the market for another good safety. Sometimes its things like this that can swing a deal.

  115. 115 GermanEagle said at 1:21 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Sometimes its things like this that can swing a deal.
    If “sometimes” means that in 0.01% cases money will NOT be the deciding factor, then I will agree.

  116. 116 wee2424 said at 1:28 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Not every player is just pure money hungry. Yes alot are however. Alot of these players truely love the game. They are competitors and hate losing. If two deals are similiar, one is just a little less, then its very possible a player may choose the slightly less money but with the winning organization. There are thousands of olayers in this league. Not all are money hungry animals like some like to beleive. There have been hundreds of players in this sports history that have altered contracts so that their team could retain players to keep on winning. Winning is extremely important to athletes. Dont under estimate the X factor in sports and contracts.

  117. 117 GermanEagle said at 1:39 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    I applaud what you are saying, I really do. However the “X factor” will only play a deciding role IF the differences in terms of offered money are minimal.
    However if Team A offers player X 1 or 2 million more than Team B, then I strongly believe that X will choose A, and not B that might offer a higher likelihood of being a Super Bowl contender.

  118. 118 RogerPodacter said at 1:44 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    i could see the difference being larger, depending on your position and the complimentary positions on the team. for example, say you are a WR. would you take a pay cut to catch passes from Peyton/Rodgers/Brady vs a huge payday to catch passes from the likes of Geno Smith?
    all it takes is a few performance-based incentives in your contract and you can get some of that money back. Plus, the likelihood of reaching the playoffs/probowl/superbowl with the elite qb, you can make even more money.

    BTW, in your Team A/Team B example, are you saying 1 or 2 million more overall? or per-year? i’m guessing you meant per year as thats a bit of a bigger deal to me.

  119. 119 GermanEagle said at 1:56 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Let’s say 1 or 2 million more in terms of guaranteed money to not over complicate my example. 😉

    My theory was based upon unrestricted free agents (who will cash in for the first time in their careers) and not someone who may approve a pay cut to stay with a current contender. That’s a big difference in this discussion!

  120. 120 GEAGLE said at 2:24 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    there is also a chance that one team offers a bigger contract, but the free agent is more comfortable with how a cheaper contract is being offered to him is written.. say if someone offers him 50million but only 20 guarenteed that the team can get out of after 2 yearts, but another team offers 40mil, 26 guarenteed that they cant get out of for 3 years… the language of the contract offered factors into which offer is accepted, the Big Number really doesnt matter. its about the guarantee, and how much security can you really count on getting by the contract you are signing

  121. 121 wee2424 said at 4:26 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    I agree. Thats why i said on a comment somewhere on this page that if the Jets get him it will be because he was largely over paid.

  122. 122 anon said at 4:40 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Jets get Mariota / WR / DB they could be “ok” in terms of that division. They’ll clearly get a cheap patrick peterson.

  123. 123 anon said at 2:02 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Maxwell said he’s ready for $$.

  124. 124 GermanEagle said at 2:05 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    No, he said he’s ready for $$$.

  125. 125 Avery Greene said at 2:11 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    I take it somewhere Maxwell is doing this…


  126. 126 wee2424 said at 4:08 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    I know. My thinking is that if the Jets get him it is because they grossly overpaid him to the point that the Birds and other teams would scoff at the numbers.

  127. 127 GEAGLE said at 2:20 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    if he is a true target, we know he aint giving us any crazy discount. why would he? if we are serious about him, we know we have to be atleast in the ball park of his other offers. if we are in the ball park hopefully we look much more attractive then the teams we are bidding against, and we always have a tie breaker aka Maragos, very well liked by the Seahawk DBs. I know people saw that picture of Earl Thomas putting on a Maragos eagles jersey after they beat us this year…. Malcolm Jenkins helped us tip the scales in our favor for sproles, hopefully Maragos can do that for Maxwell if we make a serious offer

  128. 128 wee2424 said at 4:09 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Yeah, the bettet organization advantage only works if the numbers ar equal or close.

  129. 129 GEAGLE said at 4:31 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    yup… especially for a guy openly calling himself “the prettiest girl at the dance”

  130. 130 Nick C said at 1:44 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Feel the same way… It’s funny how the guys at BGN basically have already pencilled him in on the depth chart and are moving on to other positions.

  131. 131 GEAGLE said at 2:16 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    lol sadly thats not surprising knowing those dudes

    the funny part is Maxwell probably isnt going to the Jets either… Todd Bowles is the new coach, Todd loves Cromartie, and cromarties teammate pattrick Peterson was quoted as saying “His Excitement about going back to the Jets with coach bowles is all he freakin talks about these day” (and I say Friggin, Not FREAKIN so you know thats a direct quote lol… im sure the jets owner will like to hear that the new coach can get it done with a cheaper corner like cromartie instead of backing up the brinks truck for Maxwell… so if the Jets part of the maxwell news is nonsense, why would the eagles part of the report been true? lol

    not to mention 1000% guarantee chip and the eagles didnt leak this,. this crap comes from agents trying to drum up interest, agents are the last people we can trust this time of year… no chance in friggin hell that chip reconfigured the entire personell department yet someone is already going against chip and leaking 50million dollar free agent targets when we know the eagles dont leak anything

  132. 132 anon said at 2:24 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    yeah our real targets never get leaked, everything is a surprise.

  133. 133 wee2424 said at 4:16 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    List that as one of the reasons i dont go on that site. I remember there was an article months back, early in the season dedicated to how we need to sign Suh as our NT. Another site in which you can see ridiculous things posted is the comment section is CSN. I badly want to join in on their comment section, but sometimes arguing with a fool makes you one. I thank god for this site and the majority of its members. Birds 24/7 also has good members for the most part.

  134. 134 370HSSV 0773H said at 2:26 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    We didn’t make the playoffs because of our secondary (and turnovers). That should be the Eagles main focus. A rookie lineman, receiver, or linebacker with high upside sitting on the bench won’t stop Beckham, Bryant, or Jackson.

  135. 135 Mitchell said at 2:32 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Neither will a rookie cb.

  136. 136 anon said at 2:34 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    I’d give up a 1+2 for ODB. Wonder if that was on the table.

  137. 137 Mitchell said at 2:37 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    You could argue he is worth a first, second and third. Of course you wouldn’t know that before he even played a year in the league.

  138. 138 anon said at 2:37 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    true and you had no clue when he’s was going to get drafted.

  139. 139 GEAGLE said at 2:43 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    considering chip claimed he had him rated ahead of Watkins and Mike Evans, safe to say we had a good idea, which sucks that he isnt an eagle… moving 10 spots to 12 is expensive, but not some absurd price that completly cripples your franchise the next 3 years…. i hope we atleast considered it

  140. 140 the DONALD said at 2:53 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Heard Howie slapped Chips hand and said no chippy he will fall to us dont worry…

  141. 141 eagleyankfan said at 4:18 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    FA to patch holes — draft for future…

  142. 142 GEAGLE said at 4:30 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    thats the hope…. be friggin annoyed if we go into the 3rd draft with major holes to fill for next year

  143. 143 anon said at 2:26 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    For what it’s worth — the list of players the eagles interviewed at the combine (BGN):


    Marcus Mariota, Oregon

    Brett Hundley, UCLA

    Blake Sims, Alabama

    Connor Halliday, Washington State

    Sean Mannion, Oregon State

    Brandon Bridge, South Alabama

    Running Back

    T.J. Yeldon, Alabama

    Wide Receiver

    Devin Funchess, Michigan

    Offensive Line

    Ali Marpet, Hobart

    Sean Hickey, Syracuse


    Eric Kendricks, UCLA

    Denzel Perryman, Miami (FL)

  144. 144 anon said at 2:27 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Very interesting breakdown here…lots of QBs.

  145. 145 NickS, Combine Warrior said at 2:31 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Interviewing Mariota seems like a waste of time. Same with Funchess, IMO.

  146. 146 anon said at 2:32 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Agree considering you only get so many combine interviews. But who cares they’ll talk to the people they really like a pro day and pro work outs.

  147. 147 NickS, Combine Warrior said at 2:35 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    That’s what I was getting at, in terms of the limited interviews.

  148. 148 anon said at 2:36 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    yeah i don’t get it — in fact i’d heard they hadn’t talked. You’d think they would have spoken with some of the CBs / Safeties, but maybe they don’t like anyone, etc.

  149. 149 NickS, Combine Warrior said at 2:41 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Pretty sure it was MM who said they hadn’t talked. But that interview was just after his workout so there was still plenty of time. Doesn’t change the futility of it. What more is there that Chip doesn’t really know? If he had a question for him he could just ask Helfrich.

  150. 150 the DONALD said at 2:51 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    thought it was just DAY the qb coach that talked to Mariota? or so I saw on some headline somewhere..

  151. 151 GEAGLE said at 3:20 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    as opposed to the other years when we also interviewed a bunch of QBs? we took a friggin private plane with our owner and entire front office to go have a private work out with Geno friggin Smith, a KNOWN HACK!!!… yet we end up drafting Barkley in round 4… talked to bunch of QBs last year and drafted no one at that position…. doesnt mean anything… when its all said and done we will have interviewed a bunch of kids at every position except fullback…
    we are 100% set at NT with Beau and Bennie, bet we still talk to a few NT’s… its data collection for the future as much as it is for the actual draft
    by the time, senior bowl, combine, and private work outs are concluded we will have talked to a bunch of players at every position regardless of if the position is a strength or weakness of ours

  152. 152 anon said at 3:26 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    yeah but it’s at the expense of a lot of other positions. As i mentioned the reality is that we’ll just talk to people that we like a pro days or on campus workouts, i just thought the breakdown was interesting.

    Also note no bryce petty on the list.

  153. 153 Insomniac said at 2:30 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Smokescreen deployed! I would lose faith in Chip if he took Funchess. It’s like he loves Tarzan players that plays like Jane.

  154. 154 mksp said at 3:15 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    They sure interviewed a lot of QBs for a team that is “set.”


    They have a limited number of interviews, so this stuff is meaningful.

  155. 155 anon said at 3:19 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Especially when you look at that in proportion to all of he other people they interviewed. No DB interviews? Only 2 defensive players interviewed period?

  156. 156 GEAGLE said at 2:53 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Chip kelly is still growing into the pro game, after two very different drafts, i wonder if he now has the knowledge and experience to really have his best draft.
    You figure his first draft, he had to watch the NFL steal all the Oregon players he probably wanted. miami stole his beloved Dion right from under chips nose, Kyle Long wasnt even allowed to make it to round 2, Kiko didnt even make it to round 3…had to be a frustrating first draft experience which IMO led to this past years draft where Chip was hell bent on making sure he was able to get the oregon players and the pope who he loves even if he had to draft them a round or two early. I have to believe its a direct result of the first draft having all the best oregon kids stolen from him.. fortunately Howie showed him that there is a way to not go crazy drafting oregon kids two rounds too early, yet still end up getting the Oregon players we want….. still we picked some kids maybe a tad bit too soon, but these are two very good and different learning experiences. He now saw what it was like to not get his players, and he saw what its like to reach to make sure you get your oregon players, or whatever player you strongly covet.
    I like chip knowing that he lacks experience because i feel like he is a smart man who will learn from his mistakes so we will end up seeing a coach that improves drastically from his first year in the NFL…so im hoping that these two different Xtremes that he experienced in the first two drafts will have been the learning experiences needed to really get the hang of the draft and end up making this his signature draft…fingers crossed of course

  157. 157 GENETiC-FREAK said at 3:08 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Could Paul Dawson be the next Burfict??

  158. 158 anon said at 3:31 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Some more BGN News (reporting a report from Mosher):

    “Backup running back Chris Polk, a restricted free agent, will get the
    lowest-level tender from the team, per a league source. Last’s year
    lowest tender paid $1.323 million. This year’s isn’t yet known. Another
    team can offer Polk, but the Eagles have the right to match the offer
    and retain him. If they don’t match, the Eagles wouldn’t get any draft
    compensation in return.”

    “The Eagles and outside linebacker Trent Cole will meet within the
    next week to discuss a contract restructure that will keep Cole in

    “Nolan Carroll, who played well in the dime linebacker role last
    year, would move to safety if the team approaches him about it. He just
    wants more opportunities to play.”

    “Keep an eye on Chiefs defensive back Ron Parker, who can play corner and safety, and Chargers linebacker Andrew Gachkar,
    who can play inside and outside linebacker. They aren’t household names
    but have value because of their ability to play more than one position.”

  159. 159 Baloophi said at 3:43 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Hopefully the lowest-level tender offered to Polk isn’t from the same plate of chicken tenders Sanchez once offered Nick Foles…

  160. 160 anon said at 3:58 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Maybe that’s one of the intangibles that gets players to sign here.

  161. 161 Baloophi said at 4:34 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Ha! Though generally speaking I like my chicken tenders “tangible.” Of course, I can make an exception if the dipping sauce passes muster… or should I say “honey mustard”?

  162. 162 GEAGLE said at 3:43 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    no idea why a reporter would ask Nolan if he is willing to move to safety, when its more likely that his transition will be to outside corner which he probably would have played had he not gotten injured in august…nolan is going to get every opportunity to win a starting CB spot because there is no way we sign more than 1 free agent CB, so there will be another starting outside CB spot, and id bet Nolan wins that battle if he stays healthy..we signed him because of his outside cornerback ability, not his dime corner ability,…more logical that we would play him at his best position before we go experimenting with him at a new position

    ron parker? isnt fixing our secondary problems…. i dont mind guys like Ron Parker, Marcus Gilchrist or Davon House, i dont need them to be household names, but im only ok with these type of signings if we make 1 SIGNIFICANT DB signing… you wanna break the piggy bank open for Searcy or Maxwell, and you can sign as many Ron Parkers as they want as far as im concerned, but one significant DB investment NEEDS to be made, and it cant wait another year…. Ideally i hope we pay for Searcy, think he will help our corners more then Maxwell would help our safeties, but any DB of that type of talent i would welcome

  163. 163 anon said at 4:59 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    More on Ron Parker

    In 2014, Parker played 745 snaps in 15 starts as a safety. He the season with 84 tackles, 12 passes defensed, one interception, one forced fumble, and one sack. According to Pro Football Focus, opposing quarterbacks had a 86.7 passer rating when target Parker. He also missed one tackle for every 4.6 attempts, which was the fourth worst rate among all safeties last season.”

    “The 6-0, 206 pound Parker is reportedly seeking around $6 million per year. Chiefs fans seem willing to see Parker return to Kansas City, but only if the price is reasonable.”

    Is that $4m better than Nate Allen production?

  164. 164 GEAGLE said at 7:04 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    I would NEVER NEVER NEVER give him close to 6

  165. 165 GEAGLE said at 3:49 PM on February 24th, 2015:



    Commenting on free agent OLB Pernell McPhee, Ravens GM Ozzie Newsome said “we can’t pay everybody market value.”
    It’s as telling of a comment as you will ever hear from a general manager. Barring an unexpectedly soft market, McPhee will be walking in free agency. NFL sources have told the Baltimore Sun McPhee will command in the area of $8-10 million annually.-roto (this price sounds rather ambitious)

    Chip? Howie? Marynowitz, whoevers friggin job this falls under, GET IT DONE! McPhees name needs to be ready to appear on an Eagles contract the moment free agency opens! McPhees 1st visit has to be down I95 to the Eagles..we need first crack at him,…. GET IT DONE!!!!
    the money we save on restructuring cole and letting BGs first round money off the books, should be enough to pay for 3/4ths of his yearly salary!! GET IT DONE!!!

  166. 166 GENETiC-FREAK said at 3:53 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    McPhee part time player as was Graham.. Why pay him starting money when Graham could just be resigned.. ?

  167. 167 GEAGLE said at 4:07 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    McPhee’s value goes beyond his No. 2 Pro Football Focus ranking among 3-4 outside linebackers last season. In addition to his 21 quarterback hits, McPhee boasts the size (6-foot-3, 280 pounds) and quickness to rush the passer from nose tackle, defensive end and linebacker.-NFL.com

    Teams are always in the market for pass-rushers, but it will be interesting to see if McPhee, who has started just six of his 60 career games, hits his targeted annual salary. By comparison, an average of $8 million per year would be eighth-highest among outside linebackers, per Spotrac.com. It would be tied for 12th among defensive ends.- Bleacher report..

    i dont actually believe he will sniff 10mil a year, Im not sure he will get 8… We drafted BG, we stuck with him and paid him first round money thru microfracture surgery and a few seasons where we were getting Nothing from him. He turned down 6 mil from us, if BG wants to remain an Eagle he needs to work it out before free agency. I dont believe in bidding on our players on the open market… IF BG wont sign with us, then i would remove him as a target of ours alltogether… If we have to pay good money projecting how a player will handle more snaps, i trust McPhee with no microfracture surgery more than I trust BG… id probably rather avoid dealing with the open market alltogether and rather just keep BG, but if he is intent on seeing his value on the market I would make it clear he is talking about the point of no return..
    Fair warning: Good chance McPhee is a complete pipe dream and Follows Correy Redding and Aurthur Jones to the colts who just freed up money waiving Ricky Jean Francois….
    but if i cant have Justin Houston, I cant have Jerry Hughes, BG is removed as an Option… Id rather have McPhee, then Worlids, with Sheard as the backup option

  168. 168 GENETiC-FREAK said at 4:10 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Cool man good to get an understanding of your view of McPhee.. What your thoughts on Thorton? Can he be upgraded.. Was thinking Farley or Ordrick as options

  169. 169 anon said at 4:16 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    He’s of course upgradeable, but at that point it’s about resource allocation — Thorton’s as cheap as it gets, does all the stuff the team wants and plays hard. Fairley’s had a checkered time in DET, dealing with weight, etc., plus obviously benefits from Suh, et. al.

    If we upgrade that last spot i think it should be through a mid-level draft pick. No way we get a “named” guy — we don’t even do that for positions of need.

  170. 170 GENETiC-FREAK said at 4:20 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Just thinking a lil ahead.. Curry most probably gone after this season unless he wins the starting spot from Thorton.. Thorton does nothing when it comes to rushing the passer.. Either way i think he would be cheap enough to keep

  171. 171 anon said at 4:39 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    yeah agree, be interesting to see what we do.

  172. 172 GEAGLE said at 4:42 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    thats the friggin problem!!! losing Curry next year means that unless Taylor Hart is some pass rushing beast, we will have no one to pair with Cox on 3rd down as our Interior pass rushers when we go to our 4 man lines.. as of today, if Curry got hurt, we would have to move Cole inside on our 4man lines and play him next to cox with two other OLBs as the DE’s…

    losing Curry with thorntons lack of pass rush is a MAJOR CONCERN that we absolutely have to start worrying about NOW

  173. 173 GEAGLE said at 4:24 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    I think the world of Thornton on first and second down, but what really makes it work is we have currys pass rush to replace thornton on 3rd down, since he has never provided much pass rush… With us probably losing Vinny next year and having to pay Thornton, there could be an argument to be made for a high caliber veter 3-4 DE like Jared Odrick who is comparable to thronton on 1st and 2nd down, but also brings the interior pass rushing that we dont get from Thornton…so there could be an argument to be made that paying Odrick now, takes care of losing thornton on 1st and 2nd, and losing Curry next year on 3rd…
    but there is also an argument to be made for all our young DL best football still being ahead of them, they will probably all still improve a bit, so you could argue that its not worth such a significant financial investment on what already is the strength of our defense…..
    i think you can upgrade the line, but i would do it if the draft presents an opportunity since we are about to make Fletcher Cox a rich man… we have the option of adding a young interior pass rusher who may not be the best two gapper to replace Curry next year, we have the option of going with a Arik Armstead HIGH CEILING upgrade. Arik wont be as good as cedrick next year, but he has high ceiling and 3down potential that thornton lacks… Of course you also can slide Logan over to DE, if a beast NT like Shelton falls in our lap, of course Bennie isnt a significantly better pass rusher than Thornton, so we would still run into the problem of lacking an interior pass rusher when we lose curry…

    I really dont know if we should go looking for a starting upgrade on the line, unless Thornton is talking crazy numbers… but if a high caliber DL talent falls to us, we arent so set at the position that we should pass on him.
    also keep in mind that Chip kelly is probably going to prioritize drafting DeForrest Buckner next year, Armstead is the higher level talent, Buckner is a warrior, overachiever who chip is going to value…so we could also see a case of leaving the DL alone this year, and adding to it if we lose Curry next year.
    if arik Armstead falls to 20, good chance he is too talented for chip to pass on…IMO of course..

  174. 174 A_T_G said at 4:15 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    I don’t have strong opinions on McPhee, but I wanted to comment that this was an excellent post. Citing sources, sharing an opinion, and providing context in reality. Good stuff.

  175. 175 GEAGLE said at 5:18 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    full disclosure, Part of me wants to see McPhee and Fletcher Cox reunited… used to love that era of miss st defense

  176. 176 Baloophi said at 4:07 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    OFF-TOPIC – and I doubt Pernell is any relation to the author John McPhee, but I’ll take the opportunity to throw his name out there for anyone looking for an excellent, creative non-fiction read. Since he was born and grew up in Princeton many of his books might have local interest for the laity here, including a book about the Pine Barrens. Though most of his books put a human touch on geology (“Assembling California”) or interesting vocations (“Uncommon Carriers” where he hitched a ride with a trucker, a ship captain, a train engineer, etc.) he also has a couple of sports-related books: “A Sense of Where You Are” about Bill Bradley’s basketball career at Princeton and “Levels of the Game” about Arthur Ashe. He also has two “readers” if you want to get a sampling. “Coming Into the Country” about the people of Alaska is my favorite.

  177. 177 botto said at 4:11 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    I have a funny feeling we are going to see hundley as an eagle.

  178. 178 anon said at 4:16 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    why is that?

  179. 179 botto said at 4:18 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    he would fit, be super athletic and can be coached.
    we need 2 qb’s…
    I don’t know, it just seems like a good fit. he has a good arm and is big and tough. and he loves chip, so chip must at least like him..
    better value then mariotta. back up Nick for a while.

  180. 180 anon said at 4:20 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    I mean i agree 100% i think the chip wagon article lays out some good points in terms of scheme familiarity. I just didn’t know if you had some other extraneous information.

    Will also be interesting to see how bad we want him (in relation to whether anyone else from 3-19 wants him). So hard to predict where QBs will go.

  181. 181 botto said at 4:21 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    haha no I do not have any information… but I think he might be underrated.

  182. 182 anon said at 4:24 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    good thing about being spread is that a lot more QBs will have “scheme familiarity”. Would be nice if we can get him at 20 and he can sit / challenge to start. I think being comfortable with the RO gives him a huge + over the other guys on our roster.

  183. 183 Insomniac said at 4:19 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    I’m cool with it as long as it’s not in the first 2 rounds.

  184. 184 botto said at 4:19 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    yeah I think it will have to be before that though to land him

  185. 185 wee2424 said at 4:23 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    But thats the problem. He really isnt fist round worthy. Its just that its a very weak QB class. Reaching for a player isnt good, reaching for a QB is even worse.

  186. 186 wee2424 said at 4:21 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    I dont know. I think.its roughy the same as Locker and Manual in the first round. The only reason they would be drafted there is due to position, not really because they are first round material. I just think its a trap that you get into, and you see teams do it year after year with the same bad results. Granted he is better the Manual, but not by a long shot. I just think Chipand the FO may be to smart for that.

  187. 187 botto said at 4:22 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    yeah you are right it is the position that raises his stock. he seems like he can be coached and would be way better then manuel I would think.

  188. 188 wee2424 said at 4:25 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Agree. I just dont think he could ve a franchise QB, and its even a big risk that he would be just a decent QB.

  189. 189 botto said at 4:27 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    I was thinking that people are always saying chip system is qb friendly so hundley played in a similar style meaning he could maybe be better sooner and actually be coached up by the big guy and turn out to be above average.
    I am a foles fan though, but hundley could be a decent back up even though he is not a vet.

  190. 190 wee2424 said at 4:32 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    It was friendly for Sanchez also. He statistically had his best season ever. Still wasnt great or even good enough. Im not comparing the two. Im just saying even in a QB friendly O, you still need to be good enough.

  191. 191 botto said at 4:34 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    I know people will be adamant about us NOT needing a qb that can run, but lets not pretend that wouldn’t open up a whole aspect of the playbook as well as holes for the rb. and the seem for ertz, etc…

  192. 192 wee2424 said at 4:41 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    It definetly would. I just think and its proven that the best QBs are the ones skilled at passing. Yes Hundley is an athletic QB, but the reason he is not first round talent is ue to his passing.

  193. 193 botto said at 4:44 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    yup, and he should get better at passing, he is very young. does have a good arm too

  194. 194 wee2424 said at 4:46 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    He may, there is no garuntee though. He just doesnt project to.the NFL as a first round talent.

  195. 195 botto said at 5:17 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    I think the only guarantees are death and taxes…

  196. 196 wee2424 said at 1:21 PM on February 25th, 2015:

    And Sean Lee getting injured, and Gordon being suspended.

  197. 197 anon said at 4:46 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    AR makes a lot of $$ moving around; obviously he’s a gifted passer at all levels, but he’s no statue and he throws a mean “checkdown” pass.

  198. 198 wee2424 said at 4:50 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Yeah, obviously he is different then Hundly. I wouldnt consider him a running QB like Kap, Newton, or even Wilson. He isnt by any means close to the norm.

  199. 199 GEAGLE said at 4:49 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    the only reason i like marriotta at all is for what his QB brain is allgedly supposed to be. i dont care about his speed, and im not very confident in his ability throwing against NFL defenses, but if his QB brain is legit at a real high level, then i would be willing to let him work on the rest, the problem is this city wont have patience if we trade away the farm for chips golden boy, and if this city doesnt have patiemnce with him i think he could get eaten alive in this city…. brett Hundley, i dont hear people i really trust raving about his QB brain, actually he took off way to quick which is my biggest pet peeve with NFL QBs.. 1read and take off is the reason i never was impressed with RG3 rookie year, because i know you cant sustain success in the NFL as a 1read and take off guy….
    but whatever, draft whatever Qb you want, all i ask is that foles is traded away, he deserves better

  200. 200 botto said at 4:52 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    well that would really suck bad to trade foles.
    he better be starting in September, which I think he will.
    he certainly does not deserve to get booed after one half In the first game of the season like last year. that was lame!

  201. 201 GEAGLE said at 4:58 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    if you guys are going to take away high picks and multiple picks on QBs, instead of spending the picks on building a team around Nick that he can win with, then id rather see the kid traded out of philly…. if we are going to continue turning down 2nd round picks for him, while not committing to him, it does no one any good. Commit or trade him, he deserves better than how this city has treated him… take away top 100 picks from building the team around foles and they better friggin trade the kid.
    that kid deserves better than playing in front of a jackass fanbase that will just rip him until they get to see marriotta or Hundley in the game anyway,… i dont want Nick here with young QBs every dumb fan in this city will be clamoring for the minute they get drafted… kid deserves better… take the second round pick and trade Nick, if you are going to take top 100 picks away from building a team nick can succeed with

  202. 202 anon said at 5:01 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    “he deserves better than how this city has treated him”. Philly is hard on Qbs + i think this city was ready to anoint him but he missed an opportunity.

    Be interesting to see what he does this year but he really controls his own destiny.

  203. 203 GEAGLE said at 6:56 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    hopefully he is traded away during the draft,.,, tired of hearing everyonbe disrespect one of the best young QBs in the game.. everyone talks that foles shit, put your money where your mouths are and trade him away and then lets see how you enjoy living with that decision (not aimed at you anon, just a generalization)

  204. 204 botto said at 5:14 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    well that’s a good point actually. a rookie flashy qb on the bench and the fans will be chanting his name as soon as foles has a 3 and out. that would suck. I agree.

  205. 205 wee2424 said at 5:52 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Agrre. People want to say Foles is bad when only using the minority of his games and excluding the majority. Doesnt make sense.

  206. 206 anon said at 4:37 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Hundley ran a lot of the same concepts at UCLA as we run here, a lot of the same exact plays actually, so he might be quicker to adjust, maybe make some better decisions than sanchez who only had the offseason to learn the playbook. Plus he’ll know when to keep the ball and run.

  207. 207 wee2424 said at 5:54 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Oh he loves to keep the ball and run. Problem is, even in college he ran when he could have done much better and passed.

  208. 208 anon said at 6:07 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    True, though he’s said that that was scheme related (one read then run), not sure if that’s b/c of Mora or b/c of him. Also I’m not a Hundley “proponent” necessarily.

  209. 209 wee2424 said at 1:20 PM on February 25th, 2015:

    And thats the scary thing. Go through one read and then run is miles away from any NFL offense, and not at all what Kelly wants. NFL defenses will pick that apart if he cant change away from that. Its not an easy change for a young QB to make.

  210. 210 botto said at 4:47 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    petty could be another one that does well here, and he should be later rounds, he has a good arm too

  211. 211 GEAGLE said at 4:36 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    i doubt half these people would give two shits about Marriotta or Hundley as QBs if they were immobile stiffs just being judged on pure QB throwing ability. but because they are a zone read weapon i should be impressed? you should be able to run the ball without your QB as far as im concerned…… which is why i dont get all carried away with the new QB prospect flavor of the week… i watched chip go thru like 5 QBs so far, and never care at all about leg speed, yet now im supposed to be all impressed by two passers who really have never shown to be able to throw in NFL windowns all because they have the athletic gifts i look for in friggin punt returners?… i dont get it, but i know everyone loves their sexy QB prospects so ill gracefully bow out and not piss on everyones QB party… we can have a real conversation about eagles QBs after the draft… i laugh last! 🙂

  212. 212 botto said at 4:42 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    I hear ya, its something to just talk about in February for fun…
    and yes he has gone through some qb’s that are not fast.
    and we have done well against average defenses.

  213. 213 GEAGLE said at 4:44 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    fair enough…

  214. 214 anon said at 4:45 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    True but we don’t run a WCO, so i think there’s other things to be considered. Like during the season (especially SEA game) where you were begging sanchez to keep the ball. Stuff like that could break the game open, so maybe not bad to have someone that knows how to do that.

    NF isn’t the best passer ever, but he’s good enough in the system. Hundley / Mariota would be the same i think.

  215. 215 GEAGLE said at 4:54 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    I dont know that Marriotta or hundley would provide Foles level of NFL passing AT ALL!!!! i know that Nick Foles grew up, not having his legs to lean on, everything Nick Foles has earned as a passer he has done because of his brain, Arm, and Heart, no leg speed to bail him out, no elite OL in collegem kid took a friggin beating to get here,…… and Id take that over a QB whos legs were a big part of reaching this level of success the past 3 years any day… i saw everything i ever need to know about Nick Foles after a rough first half in the saints playoff game, the Colts game where he stunk it up and outdueled Mr clutch himself, Luck in his own house when it mattered at the end…and one of my favorite games ever played by an Eagle QB, this years win over the skins… those 3 games, are all i need to know

  216. 216 botto said at 5:00 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    yeah im going to watch that skins game again, that was great. best game from last year.

  217. 217 anon said at 5:02 PM on February 24th, 2015:


  218. 218 botto said at 5:12 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    yeah followed by the second skins game which was the worst.

  219. 219 anon said at 5:19 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    The fact that we had trouble with that team both times is really disappointing.

  220. 220 GEAGLE said at 6:44 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    rivalry dynamic… if they werent in our division that team wouldnt even be competitive against us

  221. 221 GEAGLE said at 7:01 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    lol watched it like 3 times since the season ended. i am not old enough to have witnessed a more impressive performance by an Eagles QB… that was the last thing i needed to see from Nick to know this kid has something special in him.. he wont talk shit, but there is a quiet fire in him, and I dig it… already trust him more needing a game winning drive then i ever trusted McNaBB WHO is the best Eagle QB i have ever seen….yet im supposed to care about QB prospects who run fast… yeah ok

  222. 222 anon said at 7:04 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    the game was awesome. but the redskins aren’t a good team so for me it’s hard to really get excited about winning a shootout w/ a bad team.

  223. 223 GEAGLE said at 7:15 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    you dont down play beating rivals… no matter how much these NFC east teams suck, we usually find or selves in a tough game,…atleast 1 of the 2 times we play them each year they play us tough with the exception of 2013

    and BTW, beating ANY NFL team when you end the game with only 1 of your 5 starting OL is an impressive win no matter who the hell we played. we talking about 4 OL playing that didnt get starting reps that week

  224. 224 botto said at 8:51 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    its an nfc east game neither or either team can be good it will always be a barn burner

  225. 225 ShadyCrockett said at 6:07 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    “everything Nick Foles has earned as a passer he has done because of his brain, Arm, and Heart, no leg speed to bail him out”

    That is exactly why I am in the roll with Foles camp. Vick made me believe that speed in a QB is more of a curse than a gift.

  226. 226 GEAGLE said at 7:27 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    after randall, McNabb, Vick, i would be happy never again seeing an eagle QB run from the pocket

  227. 227 botto said at 8:50 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    except on 3rd and 9 with everyone covered by a good defense and a lane opens up in the fourth quarter up by 3 points. i’d take a mccnab run right there.

  228. 228 unhinged said at 6:53 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    It’s Wilson-itis. When our run game is getting stuffed, it’s clear to all that the solution is QB keeper. Folks discount the fact that RW is an accurate passer who exhibits great pocket poise and sees the field very very well. They forget we had Mike Vick who was outplayed by the clay-footed Foles. This is what Bruce Arians critiques as a college offense. Kelly has said it more than once: accuracy, decision-making and on-time throws are the indispensable requirements for the position. Legs are optional, but they’re no substitute for the basic requirements.

  229. 229 GEAGLE said at 6:57 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    well said…

  230. 230 anon said at 7:03 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Foles “outplayed” vick by not turning the ball over, both were putting up gaudy numbers. Undoubtedly you’d like to have a guy w/ Peyton like field vision and accuracy, i don’t know where Foles falls on that scale. I also don’t know where his mean will be in terms of turnovers.

  231. 231 botto said at 8:49 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    mike vick of 10 years ago would have been a slightly different story however.

  232. 232 Baloophi said at 4:49 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    @ D3FB
    I’m eagerly awaiting your scouting report on Jublia Toe…

  233. 233 Rambler said at 5:24 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    What happens if he gets turf toe? Career is over I would think.

  234. 234 Baloophi said at 5:39 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    I suppose that would be the anatomical equivalent of a concussion?

  235. 235 D3FB said at 10:22 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Dear God,

    It’s me D3FB, please erase this image from my brain forever.

    That would be dope.

    Thanks again.

  236. 236 Insomniac said at 5:00 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Round 1 Pick 22 (PITT): Trae Waynes, CB, Michigan State (B)
    Round 2 Pick 20: Dorial Green-Beckham, WR, Oklahoma (A)
    Round 2 Pick 24 (PITT): Jalen Collins, CB, LSU (C+)
    Round 3 Pick 20: Kevin Johnson, CB, Wake Forest (B-)
    Round 4 Pick 14: David Johnson, RB, Northern Iowa (A)
    Round 4 Pick 20: Ali Marpet, OG, Hobart & William Smith (B)
    Round 5 Pick 20: Clayton Geathers, SS, UCF (A-)
    Round 6 Pick 20: Jake Ryan, OLB/ILB, Michigan (C+)
    Round 7 Pick 20: Antwan Goodley, WR, Baylor (B-

    One of them will pan out right?????

  237. 237 anon said at 5:02 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    hahahaha. Seems like Geathers is a guy that everyone takes in their mocks — is he that good?

  238. 238 Insomniac said at 5:40 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    I like him more than Reynolds. He’s decent at everything and has good size/speed

  239. 239 Mitchell said at 6:52 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    He is much more promising than Reynolds. Hence I don’t think he will make it past the 4th round if not third.

  240. 240 Baloophi said at 5:24 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Not enough trades! Here’s an insane one I did the other day. With 13 picks in the first three rounds my goal was to make Roseman really earn his bonus managing the cap. Looking back I think I did a pretty terrible job!

    Round 1 Pick 28 (DEN): Brett Hundley, QB, UCLA (B)
    Round 2 Pick 20: Jalen Collins, CB, LSU (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 21 (CINN): Jaelen Strong, WR, Arizona State (A)
    Round 2 Pick 23 (ARI): Denzel Perryman, ILB/OLB, Miami (Fla.) (A)
    Round 2 Pick 24 (PITT): Hauoli Kikaha, OLB/DE, Washington (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 27 (DEN): Eddie Goldman, DT, Florida State (A)
    Round 2 Pick 28 (DAL): Jaquiski Tartt, SS/FS, Samford (B+)
    Round 3 Pick 20: Phillip Dorsett, WR, Miami (Fla.) (A-)
    Round 3 Pick 21 (CINN): Jay Ajayi, RB, Boise State (A)
    Round 3 Pick 22 (ARI): Cedric Ogbuehi, OT, Texas A&M (B-)
    Round 3 Pick 23 (PITT): Kevin White, CB, TCU (C+)
    Round 3 Pick 27 (DAL): Derron Smith, FS, Fresno State (A)
    Round 3 Pick 28 (DEN): Tyler Lockett, WR, Kansas State (D+)
    Round 4 Pick 14: Ali Marpet, OG, Hobart & William Smith (B-)
    Round 4 Pick 20: Lynden Trail, DE/TE, Norfolk State (A)
    Round 4 Pick 21 (CINN): Rob Havenstein, OT, Wisconsin (C+)
    Round 5 Pick 7 (DEN): Lorenzo Doss, CB, Tulane (C-)
    Round 5 Pick 20: Nick Boyle, TE, Delaware (C+)
    Round 6 Pick 20: Jake Ryan, OLB/ILB, Michigan (D+)
    Round 7 Pick 20: Antwan Goodley, WR, Baylor (C)

  241. 241 Avery Greene said at 5:31 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    OMG – if they traded back and got all those picks, I might not be able to handle all that happiness.

  242. 242 anon said at 5:32 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    eh, you have to cut everyone by the end of the summer anyway.

  243. 243 Avery Greene said at 5:33 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Those 6 2nd rounders should make the team though

  244. 244 Baloophi said at 5:35 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    I think you’d have to start cuts in the middle of the draft…

  245. 245 Baloophi said at 5:37 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    There’d be some nervous moments amongst the populace, however: I believe I traded back 4 times in the first round to #28. The Walt Whitman would’ve collapsed from the weight of people lining up to jump before we even made a selection.

  246. 246 A_T_G said at 6:21 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Three times through, I offered my entire draft plus the next two years of first rounders to each team on the clock. Every one turned me down and Washington took Mariota every time.

  247. 247 Baloophi said at 6:39 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    I suspect the programmers inserted some piece of anti-Philly code for just that purpose. I eventually gave up trying to trade up that far (just to see what they would allow). Several times Mariota sliped to #10 and the Rams and still no dice. I decided to relent and let the computer do its bidding and I was rewarded with the bevy of picks above… like insane trade offers – I think the Bengals gave me their 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks to move up 1 spot in the first, and then Arizona and Denver basically did the same thing. It was insanity.

  248. 248 ACViking said at 6:42 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    I had the same problem.

    Offered every pick plus next 2 first rd picks . . . can’t make a deal.

    Have to re-boot.

  249. 249 Baloophi said at 6:50 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Cyberdraft does NOT want a Mariota-Kelly reunion in Philly…

  250. 250 anon said at 5:04 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    “Troy Vincent told Judy Battista of NFL Media that the league may explore making defensive pass interference a 15-yard penalty” I change my mind, our DBs are fine.

  251. 251 GEAGLE said at 5:06 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    seattle would never lose another game lol

  252. 252 Javi Echie said at 5:42 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Also maybe our coaches will never teach our corners to get there heads turned around now because they can now just tackle the receiver if they get behind the corner lol

  253. 253 GEAGLE said at 6:50 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    shhhh we will be stuck having to use the franchise Tag on Bradley fletcher, he would shoot up to top 3 Corners in the NFL if he didnt have to turn around….

  254. 254 Anders said at 5:18 AM on February 25th, 2015:

    Actually Seattles advantage is that they have CBs that isnt getting penalized a lot and can defend without getting penalized

  255. 255 GermanEagle said at 7:05 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    To be honest I don’t necessarily call that a bad idea….

  256. 256 anon said at 7:12 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    me neither, especially given the touching rules.

  257. 257 ACViking said at 7:44 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Making PI a 15-yard penalty or a spot foul, whichever is less, would be GREAT. (Also throw in the college rule that EZ-PI has the ball spotted at the 2 yard line, not the 1 YL.)

    And I think Seattle’s advantage (if one exists beyond talent) would be diminished, NOT increased.

    There aren’t nearly enough QBs, CBs, and S’s to go around the NFL. Any team that has them is instantly in the mix to go deep in the playoffs.

    If you shorten up the PI penalty, you’re giving DBs more of an incentive to play close.

    And you’re shrinking the advantage that teams with the best QBs have over all the CB/S deficient defenses out there.

    Puts more of a premium on running the ball — which, for the teams that can be successful, makes their less-than-great QBs better.

    This rule change could level the playing field a bit.

  258. 258 Anders said at 5:20 AM on February 25th, 2015:

    So in college, you have both 15 yard penalty and the EZ-PI that overrules the 15?

    So PI in the endzone with offense at the 10 yard line moves the ball to the 2 yard line instead of 5 yard line?

    Also I think the NFL should adopt the college rules for contact down field

  259. 259 GermanEagle said at 6:42 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Surprise surprise.

    Kevin White all of a sudden is everyone’s darling.

    He was my bitch months ago!!!

  260. 260 GEAGLE said at 6:49 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    in fairness, anyone with a clue knew that amari wasnt going to be the first WR drafted like all the mock morons were predicting… it was always a two horse race IMO for the first WR off the board Devante and White…. i dunno if White shooting up the charts is a good thing…hello Oakland? lol
    tho the Raiders are rumored to take a run at signing Randall Cobb, after they got James Jones from GB not too long ago,. If Cobb signs with the Raiders maybe white can escape playing in the hell hole, black hole or whatevere that joke of a franchises calls its stadium these days…

  261. 261 GermanEagle said at 7:03 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    but yeah you def have been beating the white drum for some times, you had a better understanbding then the fools who questioned his top end speed aparantly

    I wouldn’t call dem fools. I don’t consider myself a draft guru, nor do I watch tons of tape. It just happens that I used to see KW a couple of times live on TV this year and what I saw was legit.

    You could be right with Oakland though. Daniel Jeremiah just mocked him to the Raiders….

  262. 262 GEAGLE said at 7:11 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    i dunno… after how fast he ran, i dont know how “experts” justified questioning his top end speed…. how does an expert think that kid lacked speed?

  263. 263 GermanEagle said at 7:13 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Idk. Maybe he didn’t look that fast on tape??? Lol

  264. 264 BreakinAnklez said at 10:35 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    He got shut down and couldn’t pull away from the “other” Kevin White from TCU who ran a 4.63

  265. 265 EaglesD3rdandwrong said at 6:52 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    which Kevin White?

  266. 266 anon said at 6:58 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Torrey Smith going to hit the FM according to Ravens owner (still posturing but seems like he won’t get more from the ravens than the $ he was offered).

  267. 267 GermanEagle said at 7:06 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Wouldn’t mind him in Eagles green to stretch the field next to Mac.. Still prefer Marshall though.

  268. 268 GEAGLE said at 7:24 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Speaking Tuesday, owner Steve Bisciotti expressed pessimism about the Ravens’ chances of re-signing free agent Torrey Smith.
    “There’s always a team that has lots of money that wants to bring in playmakers,” Bisciotti said. “Those guys are going to get those deals. I think we’re going to have to take it on the chin and move on.” Bisciotti cited Mike Wallace as an example of a playmaker who was overpaid in free agency. Bisciotti said he was rooting for Smith to “maximize his earnings,” but strongly implied he won’t be the owner handing out the deal.-roto
    owner sounds pretty serious

  269. 269 GermanEagle said at 7:34 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    I’ve never heard an owner ripping another nfl team over a contract.

  270. 270 GEAGLE said at 7:39 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    yeah im actually enjoying the Ravens front office, owner ripping the dumb dolphin GM who stole Dion from us for paying Wallace, the GM Newsome is openly admitting that they wont pay McPhee, while Newsome also called out matt Elam and told him he better stop looking like a bust next year lol wish lurie and howie just started to be brutally honest… “Nate Allen, you suck, dont let the door hit ya where the lord split ya”-lurie… every once in a while you need to channel your inner scumbag joe Banner and keep it real with these Jabronies
    enjoying a front office not acting like its super secret CIA time and not be afraid to speak up and keep it real…

  271. 271 anon said at 7:43 PM on February 24th, 2015:

    Matt Elam making me not feel so bad about MSII. Also enjoy the fact that they are willing to let Torrey walk, even though they literally don’t have anyone else, because of the $$. Smith can probably get 10+ in FA, but he’s not worth that so they won’t pay that.

    However, i don’t know what Trestman is going to do with no WRs / TEs to throw to given how much he likes to throw the ball.

  272. 272 Richaud Jeaffreson said at 5:13 PM on February 26th, 2015:

    I think Wagenmann could play on the inside.