More Mariota & Draft Talk
Posted: March 21st, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 123 Comments »There continues to be all kinds of talk about the Eagles trading up for Marcus Mariota. After all, Sam Bradford is in the final year of his deal and people still don’t buy Chip Kelly’s desire for him as his QB. Mariota still has to be a key target, right?
I think Kelly would love to get Mariota, but only at the right price. There won’t be a trade up to pick #1 or #2. There are still holes on the roster. Picks are needed to fill those holes.
There is another angle to this. Kelly has said publicly that he sees Mariota as the #1 QB in the draft and he thinks highly of him. But, Mariota isn’t a great prospect. He’s not Andrew Luck. He’s not Cam Newton. Mariota is the best or 2nd best QB in a weak group. He’s not a guy you necessarily build a franchise around.
I still think Mariota goes very high. But this is a strange draft and I could be very wrong on the QBs. It is possible that both Winston and Mariota could slide. The question is where Kelly would find the price to be reasonable. Is he willing to try and get into the Top 10? I tend to doubt that, but that is just a guess.
Mariota to the Eagles remains a long shot in my mind. He’s a talented QB prospect and there are teams in the Top 10 who need a QB. If he slides, we’ll see what happens. Just don’t get your hopes too high.
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This is not a great class of Safeties, but this notion that the Eagles can’t find anyone is ridiculous. History is filled with can’t miss prospects who did miss and guys with no chance who played for a decade. It is up to the scouts and coaches to find players who fit the Eagles scheme and could become effective players. Earl Wolff was a 5th round pick and showed promise as a rookie. You don’t have to find the perfect player. You need someone who is good enough.
The Eagles have shown interest in Damarious Randall of Arizona State. He is exactly the type of guy they like at S.
Randall is 5-11, 196. He generally is the Safety on the wide side of the field. ASU moves guys around and does a lot of blitzing. Randall will drop down into the slot and cover WRs on a regular basis. He has good cover skills. Randall is a solid tackler. He regularly tries to wrap-up and tends to go low, aiming for the legs. Randall isn’t a punishing hitter, but he is physical enough.
Randall ran 4.46 at the Combine. He had a 38-inch vertical and 10-foot broad jump. You can see that explosiveness when you watch him play. He gets an excellent break on the ball when playing off a target. He also has terrific closing speed. He was a good playmaker for ASU. As a Senior, Randall had 3 INTs, 9 PBUs, 9.5 TFLs and 2 FFs.
I’m still figuring out what his draft value is, but Randall could be of serious interest to the Eagles. He is the kind of versatile, interchangeable Safety they like.
Here is a highlight video. It won’t blow you away, but you can at least see him in action. I watched him recently vs USC and liked what I saw.
A word of warning…very NSFW music. I almost never have the volume open when I watch YouTube videos. The music isn’t my type and the lyrics are often inappropriate for consumption in public areas. I won’t put this warning up for every video I post in the next 2 months. Please be smart and turn off the sound when you watch the videos. I don’t have time to listen to all the sound and I don’t want to get anyone in trouble with their kids/spouse/parents/boss/whoever. Thanks.
Lots more Safety talk to come.
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Chuck Bednarik has died.
If anyone was the Philadelphia Eagles personified, it was Concrete Charlie. He led the team to their last NFL title. He played both C and MLB. And he was part of the most iconic moment in Eagles history…when he stood over an unconscious Frank Gifford in November of 1960 after delivering The Hit.
Go read this great piece by Bill Lyon to appreciate Bednarik.
He was truly one of a kind.
Saw this on Twitter and loved it.
The Penn Football program joins the entire football community in mourning the passing of Chuck Bednarik this morning. pic.twitter.com/D7L8aoLCAx
— PENN Football (@PENNfb) March 21, 2015
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Repost from last thread.
He was way before my time but even I knew he embodied what the Eagles should be. May his legacy be passed onto every future Eagles fan generation.
RIP Concrete Charlie.
#3 is unusual for a Safety, wonder if Randall is an AI fan.
Maybe he’s backup QB.
No Eagles player was more authentic than Chuck Bednarik. He was exactly who he seemed to be. He never wanted to be forgotten, always roaring when he had the chance to remind the masses he was still around.
In 1976, when Dick Vermeil became the Eagles coach, he brought Bednarik onto his staff — as an assistant coach in charge of being “Bednarik” and showing the team what a winner looked like.
To Vermeil, Bednarik was “Mr. Eagle.” Class move, all the way.
Oh . . . and did Chuck Bednarik hate the Cowboys.
H-A-T-E-D them.
And Mr. Eagle was on the sidelines at the Vet, next to Vermeil all game long as he always was, on January 11, 1981 — when the Eagles laid waste to America’s Team in the NFC championship. (You can see him with Vermeil on NFL Films’ clips of that game.)
But with Vermeil’s departure in ’82, and as the franchise changed hands, Bednarik’s presence around the team faded — coinciding in no small part with Jeff Lurie’s desire to turn the page on the team’s past, including the Kelly green jerseys
On August 4, 1999, when Andy Reid was holding his first — and most entertaining — training camp, he placed a call to the Bednarik residence. Invited Concrete Charlie to training camp to meet the staff and the players — to be a part of the franchise for the first time in 17 years.
A nice gesture by Reid, to be sure. But Bednarik quickly disappeared.
Then last year, Chip Kelly had a great idea. Hold training camp at Franklin Field . . . and bring out the legends. Almost 15 years to the day since Reid trotted out Bednarik, there he was — on his college gridiron — greeting the team, the fans, and some of his old teammates. He was the star of the show.
Class move by Kelly — giving Bednarik, Mr. Eagle, one last chance to roar in Kelly green on the field where he owned the memories.
If he hadn’t been around franchise for 1982-1999, then that well predates when Lurie became owner.
Lurie took ownership in 1994.
Their relationship, for reasons recounted elsewhere in the media, were very icy.
Lurie’s always been slow to remember the Eagles’ past. Maybe Bednarik took it personally.
I know but he didn’t have good relations with the Eagles before Lurie became the owner too.
Their relationship soured when Lurie would not buy his book for the entire team nor sell his book at the stadium, for his claim was that it violated NFL policy.
When the Eagles went to the SB in 2004/5 season, CB was being interviewed by Glen Macnow without any screening of the situation and when CB was asked about if the Eagles were going to win the SB, he answered with bitterness, “I hope the F—-n lose!”, which added fuel to the fire between him and Lurie because it actually went a little viral before internet was in everyone’s houses and cellphones.
Years later, after further influences unknown, CB wrote a letter of apology to the team’s owner, and they gradually mended fences over time.
It would have been a shame if that never happened, as he would’ve been the most revered Eagle who never wanted anything to do with the team before he died.
Thank God it didn’t happen. God bless you, Concrete Charlie! #RIP
All signs point to Kurtis Drummond as the top safety on the Eagles board so far. They met with him at the Senior Bowl and was at his pro day.
Hardly…. Eagles meet with a huge range of senior bowl attendees, because it is a free opportunity to do so, and the Eagles will be going to pretty much every pro day. Obviously they will be looking at every safety in this draft class but we will have no idea who is higher on whose board.
i have no clue what led you to that conclusion
Somebody had to put this on there. RIP Chuck.
Been putting it up with every post for one of Philly’s all-time greats.
My grandfather was a teammate and friend of Concrete Chuck back at Penn in the 40s. He passed down some truly great stories about his playing days and was my inspiration to play football (it skipped a generation in my family).
He truly is one the main archetechts of the game today. All-time great and I truly hope his legacy is preserved.
great stuff.
I dont know if anyone has posted this or if anyone is tracking players who are visiting the Eagles, but Chris Conley (WR from Georgia) confirned he had a visit scheduled with the team during an interview on NFL radio. He seemed like a Chip Kelly guy and absokutely crushed the combine.
…and somewhere Anders just creamed his pants….
I did too. WHY AREN’T YOUR PANTS CREAMED?
Ask my wife.
Love this kid.
HE must be the eagles number 1 target because he has a visit scheduled!
I didnt think I gave impression that I believed that. Just passing along info. Its no secret that every player except huff (who chip already knew well) came to philly fir a visit.
repost from end of last article
I know it could be misdirection but what do you take of the rumors that chargers could trade rivers for MM, saints could trade Bree’s or jets could take him. Which teams do you think really have interest?
I used to think he could really slide but I don’t like that Rivers is forcing the Chargers’ and the Saints are full on tanking.
I turned the sound up on Randall video just because of the warning.
And you thought Torry Holt was bad….
Ah. He played on both offense and defense. Hands twice as bad.
As a very young child, more than 3000 miles away, in another country, somehow I knew of Chuck Bednarik. As I posted elsewhere, he seemed to embody the quality we all should aspire to. He was steadfast.
As a guitarist that picture is… inconceivable!
Wow.
stinky pinky? would love to know what chicks think of his version of “The Shocker”.,..
I just got fired, divorced, orphaned and politely asked to leave Starbucks halfway through my frappuccino for that video.
Well played, sir.
Seems simple enough. If MM falls, we ship Bradford to Cleveland for 19 and then trade 19 and 20 to wherever for MM. Probably not going to happen, but I bet that’s the plan if he does slide.
Randall definitely looks like an Eagles type of safety but that’s not a good thing.
Short NFL Films documentary about Chuck Bednarik:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_4yA3TVh7A
After working out Tebow, Im thrilled to hear that we worked out the much more talented Josh Freeman. Kind of weird that he happened to be the QB throwing to Nelson Agholar at his eagles work out…i dont know how thrilled chip is about his character, drug use, work ethic, but i would Love to see chip work with a guy with his tools instead of Barklley, low risk, high reward.
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as for Tebow, I wouldnt mind signing him but only as a Bryan Braman type of Core Special Teams Beast who we allow to be our emergency Gameday #3rd QB(since we lost Brad smith and james Casey)… maybe even use him as a goaline weapon:
1) goal line wildcat QB. try topunch it in with a tebow/Demarco read option in the redzone
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2) move Tebow around to other positions in the redzone to command a defenses attention, even if he is just a decoy to distract you from paying full attention to sproles… heck we could line him up as a fullback lead blocker for Murray. Doubt many teams will be prepared for chip kelly using a lead blocker
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but for any of that to happen he would have to agree to play all over our special Teams, and let our coaches work with him to try and develop him into a GRONK TYPE!…
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Josh Freeman as our #3 QB for Chip to develop
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Tebow in a core ST role/emergency game day QB
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Sanchez as the Backup
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Bradford is the starter
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Thats some QB talent and wide array of skills in your QB room. kind of weird character dynamic tho
rip concrete charlie
oh and fyi, frank gifford stills feel The Hit to this very day.
Good. Every person in a Giants jersey should feel that hit any time they’re seen in public.
haha nice
the best part about that whole story comes from the late pat summeral (i believe it was him). as the story goes some poor bastard died of a heart attack in the stands. the stadium officials/medics decided to store the body in the giants locker room. so in comes summeral after the game. he looks and sees this body covered by a sheet, AND THINKS ITS GIFFORD!
still trying to figure out the craziest part of that story
Personally I feel like if Chip really wanted to add one of these rookie QBs this year, we wouldnt see chip go into this draft with so many needs that cant afford to not address.
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He Blatantly admitted that he has to draft a WR which i dont know that I ever heard a coach say something like that at a press conference before. We know he is going to add to the OL. It doesnt take a genius to know that he is going to add to the safety room when he thought it was important to try and sign a 10mil dollar a year safety….we dont need a corner, and a rookie corner wont be getting playing time, but even with all our CB upgrades we still needed a young outside CB to start grooming a CB since you cant play them as rookies so maybe you can wait a year for an outside CB, but he shouldnt….
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Chip knows what he is doing. If he really wanted one of these college QBs and was planning to go secure one, I dont think we would have half the holes we have to fill right now..and I certainly dont think we would already be a 2nd round pick in the hole next year because we traded for a QB
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It just doesnt make sense to me..not when the guy not only cut Herremans but he is willing to trade Mathis too? its hard enough for me to believe that he abosultely adores a young OL so much that he is ok having him replace Todd, but i cant possibly believe he has two young guards on his roster that he is hapy to start next year, and even if he does we would still have to replace herremans and Mathis roster spots and it doesnt look like we will sign any OL…. we have to replace Maclin and Brad smith, doesnt look like we will sign a WR.. doesnt look like we will sign a safety. we lost James Casey. If we keep Polk we will just go with 1 TE less but if we lose Polk, a RB or a TE will need to be added.
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i just dont see how chip could be ok sitting at this point with so much roster work that still needs to be done, looking like he will wait to the draft to address it while also planning on spending what few picks we have looking for a QB after we gave up a quality young foles a 2nd round pick for a 13mil dollar bradford, made Sanchez a rich backup…and thats not enough? we have to cripple our ability to fill next years holes because of a younjg QB?
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i cant believe chip can be so stupid, and I find it insulting his intelligence, but we’ll see…
Ravens lost Ray Rice to being scum
Bernard PIERCE to DUI
Justin Forsett got away in free agency.
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they are left with Lorenzo Talifero at RB….
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5-1 odds Ozzie goes back to the Crimson Tide Well and add Yeadon RB?
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Ozzie seems like the type of GM who is too slick to think he needs to spend a 1st round pick on a RB no matter how big of a need it is… a Bama Back that doesnt need to be taken in round 1?… i like those odds…
Forsett is still a Raven
is he? IThank you Ill edit… why do I think he is a Texan? did they add any RBs?
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Bush signed 1yr with the niners…
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they will still draft a RB,… definitely not a certainty that it will be early tho… some decent alabama players to fill ozzie yearly quota, Sounds like he hates Matt Elam, wonder if he sees Landon as his young Bernard Pollard? If I had to set Odds I would prob change the 5-1 to one of the Bama OLineman
forsett signed 9m/3y deal with ravens
Im in personal Heaven right now… Stanley Johnson vs. D’angelo Russel!
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i worry tho that this game will skew peoples opinions.. Russell is the better college player, Stanley will be the better NBA player. 3 years from now Stanley will be top 10 in scoring…closest thing to a lebron James body, a 6’7 Teen in a 240lbs muscular Frame… but where as Lebron wants to play with the overall floor game of Magic.. Stanley is more of a James Harden scorer in a Lebron body. He will develo a nice NBA 3pt shooting stroke, bully guards with an array of post moves, and explode to the rim like a freight train… That dunk where he went baseline in the first tournament game and exploded taking off fromalost outside the paint looked like a Lebron Clone
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this game is awesone, Russel is putting on a show with his slick passing.. Rondae Hollis Jefferson is fantastic. Like a poor mans Kidd-Gilchrist we would be lucky to get someone like Jefferson or RJ Hunter with the Thunder Pick..
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Arizona Polish Hammer Center Terczewski is big and athletic enough to be a backup for us if he falls into round 2
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what a great game, im kind of sad that its a 2nd round game.. these teams should be matched up in like the Elite 8. But its going to be an epic 2nd half. Hopefuilly Arizona doesnt lose. Think they could give kentucky a nice battle
Tercewski will be in the D League….I would be pissed if he was our backup center next year….both Johnson and Russell played poor games…AZ plays a pack line defense that neutralized Russell….Johnson stunk it up going 1 for 12…looking at this 1 game would make you wonder why these guys are lottery picks….
Your NBA evaluation skills are as bad as your NFL ones apparently.
I doubt SJ is even on Hinkie’s board. Not even a Top-10 guy for me.
R.I.P DoubleC.B.
When is it financially responsible(dead money) to get out of the Demarco Contract? Ryan Mathews contract?
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worried that the time frame kills all reasonable expectations of seeing a Zeke Elliot era in Philly….. was hoping he would be the next to carry on the long tradition of talented Eagles RB ‘s, but even chip probably isnt crazy enough to spend a top pick on a guy who would technically have to be a 3rd RB for a year or two…….
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if we didnt sign Ryan, we could have added Gurley, kept Polk as our #2 RB while we let Gurley redshirt a year to get completely healthy, and have him replace Polk or Sproles next year.
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i like our stable of RB’s but we are about to embark on an era of having to spend money on the QB position. Gone are the days of paying our starter 700k a year, so if we are NOW going to be spending 20mil of Cap on the QB position every year, thats less money to spend on the rest of the roster. Can we Spend 20mil in Cap on the QB position and Pay demarco,Ryan and Sproles? Thats ALOT of money allocated into our backfield… If thats going to be the case they are going to have to shed veteran salaries at some other positions and go with 4-5 years of cheap rookie contracts… unless you get rid of a veteran RB salary and replace it with a cheap rookie contract, probably a good idea to shed a veteran salary at other starting positions like Herremans and Mathis and go with cheap rookie deals…
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I worry about the Quality of the team if we are spending so much money on the Backfield with Sam, Sanchez, Demarco, Ryan and Sproles….
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wonder how our combined backfield salary stacks up to how much the other contenders have invested in the QB/RB positions combined?
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also interested in seeing how much we are spending on our ELITE FRONT 7, compared to all the other elite front 7’s…for example the 49ers were paying willis,bowman,justin smith,aldon smith, Brooks, McDonald…. for what they were paying for their front 7, i would HOPE its ELITE… Much more impressive that we can whip together a front 7 with practically Connar Barwin as our most expensive player which is nothing compared to some defenses…
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also curious to study the financial comparisons of our OL compared to top OL’s(i assume we were one of the highest paid lines)
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and I want to do financial comparisons of our secondary compared to some others because alot of franchises beilieve in spending big on your secondary
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curious to see how GM chip prioritizes his allocation of resources compared to the other GMs, and how the Quality of our units measure up against other teams who allocate similar money in the positions….
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Herremans claimed that Chip only cares about QB and OL,… but the actions of Chip the GM so far havent reflected that… we are shaving money from the OL, and dumping money into RB one of the most devalued NFL positions…Herremans thoughts on WR being interchangable so far matched up with chips investment in the position
Contract details.
DeMarco
http://overthecap.com/player/demarco-murray/621
He can be cut going into 2017.
Mathews
http://overthecap.com/player/ryan-mathews/478/
He can be cut going into 2016.
mathews can be cut after next year? thats awesome
Yeah. We’d net back $1 mil
any chance we would have any interest in safety Will Hill? im really not familiar with his game but one of the few names left that i recognize, and his tender doesnt cost a draft pick if we sign him…but he has had some run ins with the law
Good talent, poor behavior.
Not sold on Chip and Bradford until April 30th passes, until then it’s all up in the air.
Safety play around the NFL has been atrocious recently, I like the young guys the Eagles have at the position.
Maybe Wolff rebounds from the knee? Maybe Ed Reynolds takes that key step forward in his second season? Maybe Carroll makes the position change? Who knows.. There were more than a few band-aid type Safeties available in FA..
There’s a reason the Eagles didn’t make a push for them.
Agreed twice.
Safety play in the NFL is TERRIBLE. I remember growing up and it seemed like every team had good functional players at safety. Now it seems like there aren’t 10 good ones in the league.
And I’m with you that I can’t fully invest on any player on this roster until the draft is done.
There’s a huge huge drop off after Earl Thomas/Kam Chancellor and maybe McCourty. Above average safeties are hard to come by.
Seeing Nate Allen cash in the way he did was no surprise either. It’s a very dry market.
No surprise? Nate hit the open market last year for like 3 weeks, didnt have a single suitor so we got him for dirt cheap. He has an average year and now he makes 20mil? how the hell did that happen? he is the one player the raiders dont have to overpay to get him to sign with him, no one wanted Nate last year, no one wanted him this year… who the hell were the Raiders bidding against? who was the genius that came up with the 20mil number? they could have signed him for a quarter of that last year, and who else was interested in him that the number got so high this year? one of the most bizzare signings I have ever seen….
I think it’s because he had a much better season last year. Led the team in picks..
The Raiders are known for overpaying players & had to have paid him based off his numbers.
Raiders are over paying for Allen because they have to hit the salary floor. It says more about his value that he signed with Raiders than the dollar amounts of his deal.
Part of the drop off has to do with the changing responsibilities of the modern Safety.
It’s an increasingly pass happy league. The days where a Safety only had to be able to hang with a 270lbs TE in coverage are over. The days of a safety only needing to be a big hitter and solid in run support are over.
Ronnie Lott would be a liability in the modern game.
If Lott didn’t adapt his game sure, but don’t forget he was a pro bowl corner before he switched to safety.
I’m just curious as to why the guys playing / coaching D haven’t adapted their personnel at safety to match the things that we all agree have changed in the game. The increasing “pass happy” aspect of the league hasn’t been some clandestine undertaking, so why hasn’t the D side of the ball adapted?
I think alot of it goes back to how kids are developed. For alot of the high school and college coaches it’s about playing kids where they help the team the most. A 6’2 205lbs kid who can run and tackle is going to be asked to play LB or DE at all but the biggest of high schools. Then with the prevalence of spread in college that 205lbs kid is now going to be asked to gain 10-15 lbs and continue to play linebacker because the 250lbs guys just can’t hang with a shifty slot reciever. Shaq Thompson was the top safety recruit in his class, he got moved to LB.
Additionally I think money plays a big part. These guys who are multi positional athletes aren’t that dumb. They see CBs and WRs getting paid the best money. RB is at least a classic glamour position.
So with the best Safetys getting moved to LB and other guys choosing to avoid it, there just isn’t a sufficent supply being created.
“So with the best Safetys getting moved to LB and other guys choosing to avoid it, there just isn’t a sufficent supply being created.”
Sounds like an even better reason for the NFL to fix yet another problem with HS/NCAA doing the wrong things by creating their own minor league.
If we have a shot at a possible trade, I’d rather have the Eagles take a look at Jimmy Wilson from the Dolphins.
Here’s the youtube on him. Turn it down (NSFW, either. Just too loud of a record level) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcHwHdhmNMM
His 2010 clips https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3vGnMS7F0I
Jimmy Wilson signed with the Chargers last week.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOh well….He’s closer to home, so another swap will be out of the question (he’s from Compton, CA I believe)
I couldn’t get Mariota (went 6 to the Jets who turned down an offer), so I got several unrealistic trade downs done instead. Present and future of O-line is FIXED!
Round 1 Pick 29 (IND): T.J. Clemmings, OT, Pittsburgh (B+)
Round 2 Pick 20: Jake Fisher, OT, Oregon (B-)
Round 2 Pick 23 (ARI): Hauoli Kikaha, OLB/DE, Washington (B-)
Round 2 Pick 26 (BALT): Paul Dawson, OLB/ILB, TCU (A-)
Round 2 Pick 27 (DEN): Jordan Phillips, DT, Oklahoma (A)
Round 2 Pick 29 (IND): Derron Smith, FS, Fresno State (B)
Round 3 Pick 20: Rashad Greene, WR, Florida State (A)
Round 4 Pick 14: Bryce Petty, QB, Baylor (A)
Round 5 Pick 9: Charles Gaines, CB, Louisville (B+)
Round 5 Pick 20: Leterrius Walton, DT, Central Michigan (B-)
Round 6 Pick 20: Zach Zenner, FB/RB, South Dakota State (C)
Round 7 Pick 20: Alani Fua, OLB, Brigham Young (D+)
Darren Sharper is seriously going down as a serial rapist. what a disgusting human being.. somehow I doubt he needed to rape woman to get some “Yams”, basically he is just a sick predator. hope he gets put in Gen pop
You just ruined my Thanksgiving dinner. “Yams?”
Per urban dictionary, yams are defined as “A term for good, sweet p**** thats lovely for thanksgiving and is originally native to South Jersey.” I too have never heard this word used in that context
Learn something new every day!
lol
You would think a man with millions would have no problem getting some tail. What a joke of a human being
you know woman grow on trees in his world, which means that for him to do this, he is a straight up predator, I bet part of what he actually gets off on is preying on his victims… Not a bad looking dude, speaks well, rich, successful.. the ONLY reason he does this is because he is wired to be a sick disgusting predator of a human being… I hope he has to pay for this in Jail… better not give him protection.. throw his ass in Gen Pop
If the price for Mariota is reasonable I don’t doubt that Chip will trade up for him. Otherwise I think Chip is satisfied with Bradford.
Yep, absolutely. Chip positioned himself where he has a QB that he likes, but one with a known trade up value. If the cards fall so he can flip Bradford and pay a price he can stomach, he goes up for Mariota. If not, he has a former first overall talent that he feels he can reclaim.
Of course, since this makes sense, it is almost impossibly unlikely this offseason…
If Bradford doesn’t restructe his 13mil by the draft, I see us trading him and moving up to Mariota. We begin the season with Sanchez, with him eventually being supplanted by our QB of the future.
You say that as if it’s affordable. If some team like the Jets, Texans, Bears, or Browns really like him then there’s not much the Eagles can do with giving up significant assets.
Isn’t this what we fanatics do, create possible scenarios that may or may not happen? That’s regardless of what level of difficulty (luck?) any moves may take! This IS the draft we’re talking about. Just about every scenario, other than staying put, should be presumed to be difficult. Right?!
I came here expecting people to be crying about Villanova choking. I guess you guys are like me and just don’t care.
Helps UVA
Hells yeah!
useful if one is in Virginia.
Or went there
fair enough, but statistically minor for our region.
No one chokes more than UVA so just wait.
Fatalism is such a fun part of being fans of certain teams!
That’s why pats fans are so tough to take. If you win all the time and have the best coach and qb you should be a gracious winner and fan. But no……
I don’t encounter enough Pats fans to get upset at them. I really reserve my personal hatred of other fan bases for Giants and Steelers fans.
Nah, just used to it by now.
To be honest, I’ve always rooted for Villanova to lose.
I ranted elsewhere. Very annoying to see choke after choke after choke to worse seeds.
The problem with the repetitive choking in the tourney by Nova is that it makes it impossible to invest in cheering for the team because you’re always waiting for the choking shoe to drop.
expected it… soft jump shot shooting team will go cold at some point… NC State was tougher. Abu was killing them on the glass
Jay Wright might want to invest some of that time on the recruiting trail in looking at big men.
i never really take that program serious no matter how high they are ranked or how great they do in the regular season, figure they will always choke in the tournament… the one kid that Villanova produced who had the real heart of a champion was bulldog competitor Kyle Lowry… tho Allen Ray has had a long, rock star career playing for almost every team in the Italian league..
What’s your opinion of Josh Shaw in the 3rd round as a S prospect?
I like Shaw personally, he answered my speed questions at the combine and would be a nice hybrid player.
He played for Urban too so the team should get a good idea of who he is from a character standpoint.
He made a mistake. He deserves a second chance.
I don’t disagree but it certainly raises red flags. And we are uniquely positioned to get a more honest evaluation from Urban, Kiffin, and Sarkesian.
Agree with this completely. More information is always better than less.
Can you explain this a bit more. Are these individuals just known for telling it how it is?
chip kelly has a good relationship with Urban
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you dont know either man, but who would you trust more to give you an brutally honest opinion, Urban Myer(great reputation) talking about a former player (shaw)? or weasel Kiffin talking about a current player?
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.. I dont have a relationship with Urban, but personally I would rather hear what he has to say, then to get Kiffins opinion on one of his current players… Not the best “character witness” that Kiffin weasel..
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i respect the FSU coach. Hear he is typically brutally honest about his players to NFL people… allegedly he told NFL front offices that he thought his QB EJ Manuel should have a 3rd round grade..
Urban and Billy are lifelong friends. Davis was his best man. Of all the people he’s going to give a straight answer to it’s Davis. He and Chip are also friends. Plus Howie is a UF guy so he has deep ties there.
Mankowitz obviously has ties to Bama where Kiffin is now OC, plus he and Kelly obviously know each other from the pac 12.
Sark and Kelly obviously know each other from their Pac 12 days so there is likely at least a mutual respect there.
Some scouts and coaches have good relationships with certain campuses. It’s commonly accepted that alot of coaches will blow smoke up your ass and talk a guy up because the higher he goes they get to turn around and use that as a selling point in recruiting. I think with our coaching staff having deep college ties it’s certainly an added benefit. The old scout trick is to not ask the coach, but go ask the equipment manager, go ask the janitor or the assitant trainer, or one of his professors. Alot of guys will be on their best behavior in front of coaches, but how do they act around other people? Does the kid sleep through classes? Does he always have some new bullshit excuse as to why his paper is late? Is he kind of a dick to the support staff?
And his was more of the traditional “goofy college kid” type rather than raping people, etc.
20: R1P20
DE ALVIN DUPREE
KENTUCKY
52: R2P20
WR DORIAL GREEN-BECKHAM
MISSOURI
84: R3P20
CB KEVIN JOHNSON
WAKE FOREST
110: R4P14
WR BRESHAD PERRIMAN
UCF
137: R5P9
S CLAYTON GEATHERS
UCF
148: R5P20
WR CHRIS CONLEY
GEORGIA
180: R6P20
G MITCH MORSE
MISSOURI
212: R7P20
S DAMARIOUS RANDALL
ARIZONA STATE
Not liking our WR corps much, are you?
It’s almost as bad as what McNabb had pre-Jackson/Maclin.
I hope they take one early enough this year to comfortable see Cooper leave this team after the season.
Yup. Can’t really bank on Matthews and Huff to step up.
As a juxtaposition from firstpick:
Round 1 Pick 24 (ARI): T.J. Clemmings, OT, Pittsburgh (B)
Round 2 Pick 20: Damarious Randall, FS, Arizona State (A-)
Round 2 Pick 23 (ARI): Breshad Perriman, WR, UCF (A)
Round 3 Pick 20: Ronald Darby, CB, Florida State (B+)
Round 4 Pick 14: Bryce Petty, QB, Baylor (A)
Round 5 Pick 9: Bryce Hager, ILB, Baylor (B-)
Round 5 Pick 20: Zack Hodges, OLB, Harvard (B-)
Round 6 Pick 20: Zach Zenner, FB/RB, South Dakota State (C)
Round 7 Pick 20: Deion Barnes, DE, Penn State (B-)
Or this one
Round 1 Pick 20: DeVante Parker, WR, Louisville (A)
Round 2 Pick 20: Jake Fisher, OT, Oregon (A)
Round 3 Pick 20: Derron Smith, FS, Fresno State (A)
Round 4 Pick 14: Ronald Darby, CB, Florida State (A)
Round 5 Pick 9: Nick O’Leary, TE, Florida State (A)
Round 5 Pick 20: Leterrius Walton, DT, Central Michigan (A)
Round 6 Pick 20: Martrell Spaight, OLB, Arkansas (B-)
Round 7 Pick 20: Zach Wagenmann, DE, Montana (B+)
don’t sleep on the fact that
a) Chip can be talking Mariota up, to help his boy’s draft stock. If Chip wasn’t interested, MM could slide as teams could see that his coach didn’t believe in him
b) Alternatively, if Chip wanted to be sneaky.. he could tell teams near the top he had no interest in MM, that he isnt an NFL QB- that could lead to a MM slide and make him more obtainable
I think we stick with Bradford.
We’ll see what they do. In either case I’m ok with Bradford, a non-overpayment (vs. the point value chart) trade up for Mariota, and/or drafting Petty.
I’m not ok with; overpaying for Mariota or drafting Hundley.
I am having trouble picturing the Eagles making a trade that you do not deem as an overpayment.
Here’s the guide. I’ll have my abacus out to make sure we don’t get ripped off.
http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php
owners meetings start today…. wonder if howie will be there with Jeffrey
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veteran combine starts, i doubt this combine is going to help these guys get jobs..i guess i should prepare for Micheal Sams next 15minutes of fame…
The Browns are expected to explore a long-term deal with restricted free agent FS Tashaun Gipson.
Gipson currently has a second-round tender from the Browns, but is a candidate for an extension coming off his breakout 2014. Prior to missing the final five games with a knee injury, Gipson established himself as a playmaker in Cleveland’s secondary. Gipson was a top-10 safety in PFF’s year-end ratings and finished behind only Glover Quin with six interceptions.-roto
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The Browns have alot invested in their secondary. Hopefully they are extremely far apart on the contract extension with no soultion in site, and they get fed up and try to get some value in return for him… aka wishful thinking at its finest lol
so shady is running his mouth now? Perfect. He plays for the one coach who will encourage his players to talk as much shit as they want.. Rex Ryan and Shady coming to philly this year, that should be an interesting week leading up to the game
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I despise what Shady said, this notion others have echoed, that because fans had their pitchforks and Torches out, Chip “Panicked” and signed Demarco Murray… GTFO here… Chip is making moves out of Panic? Public outcry is pushing chip to make certain decisions? Take some serious hubris for fans to think they are remotely important enough that chip would give the slightest of fucks about what they say. You have to have a ridiculuosly inflated sense of self worth to think you bitching, is factoring into the moves Chip makes… what a bunch of crap!
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Truth is, chip was smarter then all the donkeys with a “plan”… chips plan stressed flexibility, knowing that its not a lock that you can get every player you want to sign with you. So im thrilled to see Chip was flexible enough to adjust on the fly and still have a good offseason…. we know Andy isnt the “Quickest thinker”, or “the brightest bulb in the pack”… Imagine Andy going into free agency and only being able to sign 1 of his 5 targets? think Andy could have adjusted on the fly to still end up with a quality free agent Haul? Im not so sure… “flexibility”, “adjusting on the fly”…not exactly words synonymous with the Reid era….
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if chip kelly signed Demarco murray because he Panicked and couldnbt handle the dumb public running their mouth before even seeing the complete picture, then Lurie should fire chip kelly on the spot. what people are suggesting is horrible leadership, and a real weakness in character, and we should know better then that by now…do I think chip planned on Making Demarco an eagle when free agency started? No…. but he also ended up signing for cheaper then most thought he would get when free agency started, and Im THRILLED To have a GM, who in his first year was still flexible enough and could adjust on the fly, bring us a quality free agent Haul, when 80% of his top options signed elsewhere
The veterans combine is today…. I really struggle seeing the point of this. will any good ever come from this? teams have college tape, preseason tape, NFL tape on all the guys participating in this combine.. every front office keeps track in detail of all the guys with NFL experience who are still on the street. I dont understand what can possibly come of this combine….
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Micheal Sam:” Free agent OLB/DE Michael Sam ran unofficial 5.10 and 5.07 forties at the Veteran Combine on Sunday”-Roto
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THATS a TERRIBLE TIME!!!! If you were going to run in the 5’s, why the hell did you bother getting out of bed this morning? running a 5 at this combine probably hurts your chance of getting a job. You probably had slightly better chance of getting a camp invite had you not ran today and reminded everyone how slow you are…. i have no idea what positive can come from this combine. I think its a waste of time…and I certainly dont see how today will increase Sams odds of playing in the NFL
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not completely sure whats the more laughable option? signing Sam as a DEOLB? or the steelers signing 37yr old “D-Bo” to a two year deal to be a part of their edge rusher rotation? not sure what is the worst of these two ideas for a team needing an edge rusher next year
RIP concrete Charlie
Half a book on a safety who won’t be with the Eagles and just a couple of words on Concrete Charlie? Come on he’s an icon. Why do you hatte him?