Ex-Ducks
Posted: April 26th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 188 Comments »Dion Jordan is back to being a topic. He’s been with the Dolphins for 2 years and I think it is fair to say they aren’t thrilled with him. He has the same number of suspensions as he does career starts – 1.
Does Chip Kelly have interest in acquiring his old star? I’ve heard differing reports. I have heard Kelly talked to them at one point to see what the asking price was. I’ve also heard that he has said “no thank you” when the subject of Jordan came up.
I don’t know what Kelly is thinking right now. Jordan has been a bust in Miami, but he would come to the Eagles to play a role he’s suited for…OLB. Jordan has the skill set to be a good OLB in this scheme. The other key consideration now is that Miami, if they are ready to move on, wouldn’t want much in return for him.
Jimmy Bama wrote a piece with some ideas of who could be dealt for him. You won’t like the names, but Jimmy’s logic is sound. He mentions Vinny Curry, Brandon Boykin and Evan Mathis. Curry is a proven pass rusher. Why trade him for a bust? This is the final year of Curry’s contract. If the Eagles think they will lose him in free agency next spring, trading him now for some compensation does make some sense. Boykin is also in the final year of his deal. Mathis wants a new deal.
One note here. Some people think that you can lose players in free agency and then get back compensatory picks. That is true, but only if you avoid signing big free agents. Comp picks are based on a formula of players lost in free agency vs players signed. Unless you know for a fact you won’t be signing any key free agents, you cannot count on getting a comp pick.
Back to the trade speculation. I’d be hesitant to deal Curry. He’s become a terrific role player. I can see where he might want to leave to play in a 4-3, but Curry gets on the field a lot here. He grew up an Eagles fan. If the money was good, I could see him wanting to stay. There are no guarantees of course and you might lose him in free agency. I’d keep him for 2015 and hope for the best.
I would be willing to deal Boykin. He is a good young player, but his lack of size is going to be an issue for the coaches and Boykin clearly would like a legitimate chance to play outside. It feels like his departure is imminent.
Mathis isn’t happy, but I’d sure try to keep him one more year. The depth of the OL isn’t ideal. The Eagles could add a player or two next week.
If the Eagles do decide to go after Jordan, he’s not a sure thing to pan out here. I think this system fits him a lot better, but the past 2 years might be showing us that he lacks the kind of character it takes to make it in pro football. When you go up against the best players in the world, you better be serious about your craft and willing to work really hard. I just don’t know if Jordan has been doing that.
If the price is right, I’m certainly interested in taking a chance on him.
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Former Oregon TE Colt Lyerla makes Jordan look like a first ballot HOF’er.
Lyerla quit the Oregon team in 2013, which caused him to go undrafted last spring. He then signed with the Packers. Lyerla got hurt and released.
Lyerla is now working hard to get another chance at the NFL. He has to show teams that he is healthy. He also has to show teams that his past actions are ancient history and he’s a different person. He has a laundry list of issues that stretch from high school to last fall.
The Packers signed Lyerla as an undrafted free agent last year. He was waived-injured after suffering a knee injury and then reached an injury settlement, which paid him through Week Eight. Lyerla thereafter was arrested for DUI, which became his latest off-field incident in a string that included an arrest for cocaine possession, suggesting that the Sandy Hook shooting was a governmental conspiracy, assault charges that later were dropped, skipping classes and practices in high school, ultimately quitting the team at Oregon.
Yikes.
I give the kid credit for trying to turn his life around. Is he worth bringing in for a look? I have no idea. If Chip Kelly shows no interest, that’s pretty damning. One of the big issues here is the fact Lyerla quit the Oregon team. Most guys with issues love the game but can’t behave. The one thing they fear is having the game taken away from them. Lyerla walked away voluntarily. That will really bother coaches and football people.
Lyerla is very talented, but you have to wonder if he’s wired right for the NFL. Being a pro football player isn’t easy. It takes a lot of work and a lot of discipline.
If someone gives Lyerla a chance, I hope he takes advantage of it.
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A day without Mariota talk would be like a day without sunshine.
I've been told there are several team who don't have Mariota in top 20 but are trying to push him
— Greg Gabriel (@greggabe) April 26, 2015
Many of the Mariota rumors are just that .. Rumors. There are many teams hoping the 2 QB's go in top 5 so another gd player drops down
— Greg Gabriel (@greggabe) April 26, 2015
@ProFootballTalk keeps saying Eagles want to move Bradford. I keep hearing it's not a possibility and strictly "talk". Reality = who knows?
— Greg Gabriel (@greggabe) April 26, 2015
Who knows, indeed.
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Wouldn’t trade Curry for him. He is to important on this D and accounted for around 20% of our sacks. Unfortunately Mathis is also needed because lack of good depth on the line and our talented but made of glass QB behind them. I like Boykin, but I wouldn’t mind trading him for Jordan as long as we got some type of draft pick as well. Thurmond if healthy is a good slot CB, and hopefully Watkins can step up and play slot. There is also the draft. Wow, I didn’t realize Jordan only had one start. Was there any talk of him in college not being a good character guy?
agree. Mathis/Curry make no sense. I like Boykin, but he isn’t in their plans. Ideally we get something more valuable than DJ, but I wouldn’t hate moving him.
I would trade Boykin for Jordon and a 4th that could turn into a 3rd based on playing time or performance. Doubt Miami would do that though. That 3rd or 4th round pick could come in handy next year since we don’t have a 2nd round pick.
Well, our 2nd next year is the 32nd pick in the round. So it’s really like a 3rd rounder, right?!?
We lost our 2nd in the Bradford trade. I get what your saying though, would be real nice to pick 32 in every round.
you wish, I wish, we wish….lombardi for us just isnt meant to be…smh..
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“you know what happens with Mad Scientists? every once in a while, they blow up the house”…
im not really even sure Dion would cost that much at this point. his drug suspension waived all the money they owed him besides something small like a million.. if they are just going to cut him, they should take a 7th conditional 6th or 5th depending on how much playing time we give him and be happy
I think after this upcoming year would be the time that they would get to the just cut him phase. It’s only been two years. You probably want to give the third overall pick in the draft at least 3 years to see if he can at least start to show something. Especially at a premium position.
i dont even think it would take this much value to trade for Dion at this point… give them a 6th round pick and they will be happy
Neither one of these ducks is going anywhere soon. The reality is, the Eagles still have need at both TE and OLB. Celek’s logged a ton of miles and Tre Burton strikes me as a special teams guy with limited upside. Between Long and MSII, lots of questions remain at OLB.
I’d be willing to take stock after the draft. Eagles could surprise and take a TE round 2-6 or Dupree at #20, Harold at #52. Otherwise, it wouldn’t be a shock to see CK give one of those former Ducks a shot.
Then again #culture.
Yeah, after OL and WR, OLB actually worries me the most.
I actually feel ok with OLB. Graham could really shine. It’s hard to believe in MSIII at this point, but it’s also critical from a team-building perspective to get him on the field and start developing him. Barwin’s a rock. And then there are some backups with potential. It’s not as troubling to me as, say, the holes in the secondary where we have 2 positions that will just “sort themselves out” in TC.
That’s the thing though. It really just seems to be BG and Barwin. In order for the pass rush to be most effective you need a rotation of OLB that can rush the passer. Last year at the predator spot we had Cole then BG. A one two punch. If Smith is still not capable of producing at a decent level then you may have a problem. Especially considering those reports of BG never really being in optimal conditioning shape. God forbid BG or Barwin go down with an injury then all of a sudden you could be in a real dilemma. Smith seems to be a player that is more groomed for Barwins role then just rushing the large majority of the time. Won’t surprise me at all if we go pass rusher alot sooner in this draft then alot of us think, and no I don’t think it would 100% be due to Smith not panning out.
I hear what your saying, but when we traded Shady to Buffalo, we received a kid named Kiko Alonso to fill that role.
From everything I have read about Kiko, we don’t need Jordan.
Also, the only reports I can recall hearing about BG, was hearing how he looked like a chiseled beast coming into training camp.
You might want to keep reading. Kiki doesn’t play OLB.
Kiko Alonso is a very good ILB. Could also be a good WILL LB in a 4-3. He is NOT a 3-4 OLB. He does not have the size to set the edge. Matter of fact some consider him small for ILB. As far as rushing the passer he can do it. Kendricks seems to be better though. Rushing the passer from the middle is a totally different ball game then rushing from the outside and taking on elite OTs. Different technique, different moves, different strength and speed requirements. When you rush the middle it’s because the play is designed to try and let you shoot through the line. Rushing from the outside you are going to go up against the OT plus maybe more. Kilo Alonso doesn’t have anything to do with OLB. Do some research on MBs or old articles, or ask.someone such as GEAGLE, there have been times when BG wasn’t considered the best conditioned, and when he was asked to drop weight but he didn’t want to. Matter of fact just look at him in a picture next to Barwin or Cole. You will see the fat difference.
I am worried about SS, but I do like Wolff. I think the CB spot opposite Maxwell will be solid. I believe you are really under selling Carroll and Thurmond. Carroll was a very solid starter for MIA. Thurmond when healthy can be a very good CB. Thurmonds problem was never on field play, it was just him getting hurt.
That make sense to me. I guess I’m buying into Graham – we’ve seen enough of him that I think he’ll be an effective starter at minimum with the potential to put up monster sack numbers (not saying he’ll do it – just that there’s a chance worth talking about).
It was known that Smith needed development, and I don’t have a problem looking to a second year, first round draft pick to rotate in – unless the team has seen something we haven’t. He might be more like Barwin, but that’s ok – if the concept of a mirrored D is still alive, it’ll just give the D a slightly different feel when he spells Graham. Though, I don’t think Smith’s college sack numbers are totally illusory.
I think Graham could very well put up big numbers for us. I am not as low on Smith as some are. I don’t ever expect Smith to be a pass rushing demon. I expect him to be a versatile player that can rush the passer. However I do think it is very important for us to have another OLB that can really get after the QB. When Graham gets tired we need someone that can step in and still deliver pressure. If Barwin goes down Smith would have to play over there and then who is rotating with BG?
I also agree that there are more bodies at CB that have demonstrated they can play. But the injury history worries me (across the team, but particularly here). I also don’t think the CB opposite Maxwell has a high ceiling, regardless of who’s playing. And the fact that there are 2 potential holes in the secondary really scares me – it’s tough to scheme away holes when there’s a lack of other good players in the vicinity.
I just think it’s unrealistic to always expect to have 2 outstanding CBs. We have a very good one in Maxwell, and a pair of solid ones in Carroll and Thurmond. There is a reason one got drafted in the 1st round and the other in the 2nd. They do have talent, with Thurmond having by far the higher ceiling. Look at some film, if Thurmond can stay on the field he is a really good CB. I think every team for the most part goes into TC with at least one “hole” that will get decided in TC. You can look at SS as a hole, but again I really don’t think you can say the 2nd CB spot is a true hole.
every team needs 4 OLB’s… assuming MS2 will be ready to contribute, we only have three… Braman doesnt count and Long cant be counted on after what 3 injuries in the last 3 or 4 years?
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BG played what, like 35% of the snaps, and MS2 played none… YES we need a 4th OLB, I dont care if we trade for him, draft him in round 1 or round 6, but we need another pass rusher
Dupree, Mauldin, Fua. There’s 3 potential targets. All can or have the ability to cover. Dupree will be in the top of the league for fastest first 3 steps. Mauldin grew up in a bad situation but turned it around and is a high character guy. Fua is a chess with the ability to gain weight and work on pass rush but the coverage is there.
dupree falling to us was already a long shot before,.. now with Randy Gregory and possibly Ray Falling, Ill be shocked if Dupree lasts….. I dont really care what OLB we draft or what round he is in, but we NEED a 4th OLB
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i hate this draft… picking 20th sucks, and all the marriota crap has ruined it for me
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I dont even care… im just hoping I can UNDERSTAND WTF chip does this weekend
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signing Ryan Mathews was a kick to my nuts… few NFL RB I respect less. He is really talented, but I cant stand that he is an eagle. he is not built for the tough brand of ball Philly hopes for… and to lose Polk so we can pay Mr softee this ridiculous contract….. sigh..
hoping for Jesse James in the draft and to sign Trey Burtons brother as a UDFA since we are low on TE bodies for camp
Sign me up for anyone named “Jesse James.” He any good Geags?
Penn state..and I dont really like PSU players but he is a bad ass.. showed to be a much better athlete then i expected at the combine, and he is a strong, bruising type. His blocking isnt great Today, but projects to have a chance to grow into a very nice blocker… Stylistically i view him as a good eventual replacement for Celek to play with Ertz…. My wet dream is stealing Travis Kelce from fat Andy in free agency in a few years, but that probably isnt happening, so for me, getting Jesse in round 4 would probably my ideal TE to learn behind Celek
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“come thru with my gang like Jesse James, shoot up your local saloon.. get out of town you got by high Noon!” lol
Burtons brother is also a bigger stronger, blocking type of TE, where as Trey is the more athletic TE brother
I wouldn’t want either one at this point. Neither are showing the maturity and dedication to make it at the NFL level. Rather wait on Jordan to see if he is released. Not worth the troubles right now.
I think that would be the smartest thing to do.
I think the talk about how other teams view Mariota (as not a top of the first round pick) ties into the talk about waiting to get Mariota until after he’s drafted by some team. Mariota obviously has more value to the Eagles than other teams because of clear system fit/less projection. The Eagles know there’s a decent chance Mariota could fall, but it’s very tough to project how far. I think 20 is probably too far, but the Eagles would have to give up less if he does fall (assuming they could put together a package some random team would want that includes Bradford). If the Titans do draft Mariota under this strategy and were interested in dealing him all along for what we’re willing to give up, then that could work too. It’s frustrating as an obsessed Eagles fan, but I think it makes sense from a bargaining perspective.
If they are willing to deal him for what we are offering all along, why wouldn’t they just make the deal when they are on the clock?
Besides, the pick and trade doesn’t work well in the NFL because the rookie salary pool is tied to where a team picks.
Florio is a total hack.
Total? Really?
Lyerla is mental. No way Chip wants him. He would be Hernandez-lite.
Also, don’t forget the Raiders with respect to a Mariota trade. There has been virtually no press on them as a trading partner. But discussions are continuing.
Any hearings regarding Dion?
50/50 is about all I know. LB coach wants him but not sure Chip does.
I’ve always wondered why no one has mentioned the raiders. In my opinion they would be the best trading partners
It is simply amazing how very wrong our evaluations of professional athletes can be. Miami gave the Raiders the 12th and 42nd overall picks to trade up to the number 3 spot in order to “steal” Dion Jordan from Kelly and the Eagles, who were picking at number 4 that year. We’ll never know for sure, but there is every reason to believe that the Eagles would have taken Jordan over Lane Johnson had Jordan been available. And then there was talk that Kelly continued to try to trade with Miami for Jordan after the draft was over.
Now here we are, just two years later and Jordan’s stock has dropped off a cliff. Just a reminder to us all that we’re going to give a grade to the Eagle’s upcoming draft picks the moment they are made, but realistically, the only grade we can give them at that time will be “to be determined.”
One of the problems with the draft is that it doesn’t have a standardized way of being evaluated. In most things, if you were successful only one-third of the time, you’d be considered an abject failure. However, in baseball, if you consistently hit .333 you’re and all-star!
What is the “batting” average in drafts? The Eagles are always crucified for their bad draft day decisions, but everyone — even the very best — have big hits and big misses. I’d love it if we had a way of objectively comparing each teams’ draft day “batting averages.”
Eagles have been bad at selecting Pro bowl talent in the first round – now i feel that will change with Cox and Johnson in time getting pro bowl nods.
I think 60% is a good batting average for the first round in terms of starters.
Since 2009, our picks have been Maclin, Graham, Watkins, Cox, Johnson and Smith, which even if Smith busts is a 60%+ rate which is solid from a starter perspective.
People and fans in this town especially have an inflated idea of first round value, thinking every 1st pick needs to start year 1 and be a star or the draft has been a disaster, but that is now how the draft works.
I agree with this…the other element is Reid was good at getting mid-late round value i.e. Cole, Celek, Westbrook, Herremans as examples and also tapped the UDFA source i.e. Akers being the most well known example….if Chip can hit the 60% mark in the first round AND keep finding some gems later on and in UDFA, we should be in good shape…
I have heard the 60% hit rate for the first round too, but I’ve never seen any documentation to support it. Further, one would expect the “hits” to be much greater at the top of the first round than at the bottom. How much different — and if that is even the case — is an unknown. Finally, although we’ve come to understand that hitting .300 is extraordinary in baseball, I very much doubt that any fanbase — or even a front office — would consider a .600 success rate to be anything but terrible in football drafting. I think fanbases — with the possible exception of quarterback selections — expect first rounders to be a sure thing.
Defining a “hit” is problematic. There is no objective standard. Was Shawn Andrews a hit or a miss?
If you draft a QB early in the first who turns out to be pretty good but not elite, is that a hit or a miss? What about if you take that same guy late in the first? How to you consider guys like Alex Smith, Jay Cutler, Jeff George, etc. who have had a good season or two but never quite lived up to what people were hoping for?
And of course there are the issues that always crop up – guys that got injured even though there was no reason to expect it based on their college injury history. Makes it harder to evaluate if the people involved in drafting him made a mistake.
Add to that the overall quality of the draft. One year you might have Couch/McNabb/Culpepper/Akili Smith -obviously McNabb is a “hit”, and you make and argument for Culpepper.
But some years you’ve got Russell/Quinn/Kolb/et cetera where all the QBs are “misses”.
for me andrews was a miss, considering we passed on Vince Wilfork who just won another superbowl.
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Had Andrews played Longer he would be a hit… I wouldnt penalize a player for having a short career, unless the glaring redflags attached to the prospect were that he didnt Love football, and those same Red flags materialized and ended his career way too short, especially for a Guard… the redflags turned out to be true and led to a very short career so I cant call that a hit
and Wilfork won a SB because of a guy named Tom Brady.
Also Andrews problem wasnt his love, but his back. You do not try to get through 2 surgeries and play a few more seasons if you do not like football.
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To me Andrews was a hit…the guy was a PB level OG and I do not think the Eagles can be faulted for him flipping his lid several years after being drafted…I think he got scared about playing and could not handle the media scrutiny…
The problem in Philadelphia is that first-rounders are expected to be a sure thing immediately. Why sometimes, it actually takes a few months to become perfect anywhere else.
The Mendoza line for me is one above average starter, one average starter, and a rotational contributor. Get that you’re doing fine. Get more and you had a very good draft.
In a way, that’s kind of the problem. Your description of the Mendoza line seems very reasonable to me, but everybody has their own version of the Mendoza line and even determining things like “above average” starter or “average” starter are squishy, and subjective concepts.
On the other hand, debating what those concepts mean — on discussion boards like this one — are one of the things that make sports fun. 🙂
Rather than % right / wrong I like to see what happens with a draft bust my team takes vs. the next several guys taken after him. If we’re often seeing much better players taken in the pick or 10 after we select, it would be a problem.
For example. 2006 3rd round. Eagles select Chris Gocong. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. WTF is a Gocong? Well he sucked, but so did every guy taken after him at 71 all the way down through the rest of the 3rd round. Just a bad group of 3rd rounders that year.
2010. 3rd round. Eagles select Daniel Te’o Neshiem. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. WTF is a Te’o? Well he sucked as well, but Eric Decker, NaVarro Bowman, and Jimmy Graham were 3 of the next 9 picks. There was a lot of good value at that part of the draft the Eagles missed.
Why don’t the eagles give curry a shot at the predator role? I doubt he’s much worse as dropping into coverage than graham, and either way you can sub him in on obvious passing downs and let him get after the qb. His first step is ridiculous
100% cannot play in space. I’m sure the current coaching group worked him out and determined he was better adding weight to be DE rather than losing weight to play OLB.
I guess that’s why we have Tim Tebow… so he can Jesus-ify all of the guys we are about to bring in with character problems #SportsScience
I love Curry, but understand why you might do the deal. Curry could easily want to leave for a chance to start on a 4-3 team, and we might lose him for nothing. The Eagles at least have good depth on the defensive line, even without Curry. We badly need depth at OLB. I will not consider Marcus Smith an acceptable backup until I see him play well. So far he has not done that. Jordan at least flashed some talent in Miami. I’d be ok with him filling in for Barwin or Graham. Plus, it would be preferable to not have to use an early draft pick on a guy who won’t be a starter.
That being said, there are some major red flags on him. Kelly knows Jordan as a person. I do not. As an armchair GM, I’d do this deal, but I’d also understand if Kelly felt like Jordan would be a disaster here given the inside knowledge he has.
it will break my heart to lose Curry more then any eagle, but I do understand reality, just hoping it gets worked out
Why can’t we move curry out to the predator role. I think he would be better than graham
hey man, not my idea to move him inside, tho he is EXTREMELY VALUABLE as an interior pass rusher. No pressure, like pressure right up the middle in a QBs face. Surprisingly he is strong enough to handle rushing inside,.
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That Predator role isnt even a full time predator role, on 3rd down we line up in a 4man line and the predator becomes a 4-3 DE which is Currys best position, thats why the Eagles line him up at DT and DE when he are in our 4 man lines on pass rush
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for them to move him to predator to make it easier to pay him, it would have to happen NOW. we wont be able to wait til his contract expires and tell him to please sign with us and we will let him play Predator.
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I wouldnt be against the move, especially since vinny is super committed in the offseason since last year, on his psycho hell diet, basically he eats like a supermodel this time of year, so I assume we could move him to predator if we wanted, but he would need to start the transition now, and it doesnt look like its happening.
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i hope that we work something out and dont lose him after this year.. That will be the worst loss for me of my eagles fandom. i would take Losing Thornton pretty hard too…
Maybe, this was all a plan from the beginning. Jordan unhappy he got drafted by Miami decided that the best way out is failing a drug test. I think MM should do the same. #boom Lol.
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Haha, i actually read every single email sender and subject line..funny stuff
Did you see the Evan Mathis one? 😛
That is awesome.
Incredible!
Marriota gets on my damn nerves. Friggin boyscout Nancy boy,,.
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all of Philly is losing their minds for months talking about this damn kid.. we are all ready to trade EVERYTHING for him, Cox, Kendricks every first round pick til 2023, our first born sons, the rights to the “eagles” franchise name for this pussy boyscout who wont grow some balls, and help us out..
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If the boyscout had some balls he would hold a press conference tomorrow to tell the Nation NOT to draft him, because he will ONLY sign a contract to play for Chip Kelly… that pussy eli Manning even opened his mouth and got to New York where he wanted, and this boyscout just smiles, giggles and wont say anything to help us out….
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someone tell this kid to step up and help the eagles out… get arrested with a hooker or something tonight if you have to. the boyscout doesnt even have to touch her, he just needs to get caught with a hooker and all our problems would be solved!
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boyscoutt needs to stop giggling and SPEAK UP!~!!!
Should we assume this is some of that sarcasm you claim to have?
What is a nancy boy?
NFL Network’s Mike Mayock called Arizona State’s Demarious Randall “the best cover safety in this draft.”
Mayock puts Randall above Alabama’s Landon Collins because Collins is “more of a box safety or a dime linebacker.” Randall doesn’t excel in the box but he makes up for it by hounding receivers all over the field. Originally slotted as a mid-rounder, Randall is trending toward the late first round.-roto
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meh… i dont mind the kid, but not as high as I assume it would take to get him…
I just don’t see it, he straight up isn’t a first rounder, not a top 50 player in the draft
yeah thats what i mean, I dont like him til like round 4 and he wont last that long… probably more realistic then fans talking about Landon Collins tho, so I guess its progress lol
he’s a 3rd round guy who will go in the top 40 because of how awful this safety group is
Too many mental lapses and most of his highlight plays come off tipped balls.
I’m so used to the idea of everyone on this roster being expendable at this point that I wouldn’t bat an eye if we dealt anyone for anyone.
Fletcher Cox strait up for Manziel and the Browns 1st? Why not!
Kendricks for a 6th? Sure we’ve got ‘Meco coming off his achilles!
The entire starting offensive line for a mint condition original copy of Art of War? It’ll help somehow I’m sure!
Lane Johnson for a 2019 7th round pick.
Pffft, maybe if its conditional.
In terms of who won’t be wearing an Eagles jersey on opening gameday, the players with the biggest likelihood are in particular order as follows:
1. Matt Barkley
2. Brandon Boykin
3. Evan Mathis
4. Tim Tebow
5. Mychal Kendricks
6. Vinny Curry
7. Fletcher Cox
Miami calls and offers Dion for Marcus Smith, what do you say?
Personally, no. I still like what I saw from MSII in college. I need to see him for at least one more year.
More than you liked what you saw from Dion in college?
(I don’t have an angle here, by the way. I just thought it was an interesting hypothetical because a lot of people were disappointed when we didn’t get Dion, and also disappointed when we did get Marcus.)
I’m cool with MS2 over Dion. He doesn’t have a drug problem or motivation problem from what I can see. Dion on the other hand…
I think I am too, which is pretty amazing when you consider that many wanted to trade the MSII pick for Dion before the draft, and many are currently disappointed with what we got for that pick. Dion has taken quite a fall.
Honestly I didn’t watch a lot of Dion because that year I was just starting to watch tape and focused on dbs. However combine with what I saw with Smith and how Jordan conducts himself, I don’t think it is worth a straight up trade. I personally need one more year to actually Smith play.
Patience is a virtue.
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Kiss my ass Dennis Hickey.
Hang up.
That’s rude. You could counter with Matt Barkley for Dion Jordan.
No. We have Smith cost controlled for 3 or 4 more seasons. Not doing that.
I am a Curry fan as well and I believe that he would sign a team friendly contract next season if asked.
He is and always was a huge Eagles fan his entire life.
IMO he is better than Jordan and has been a better pro if you ask me.
Mathis needs to relax and realize his success has been largely due to having Kelce and Peters to compliment his talent.
It’s not like we are paying him peanuts.
He’s getting top 10 money at his position and should be happy with his contract.
If the Eagles really like Jordan, then I guess I would be somewhat okay with trading Boykin straight up but I don’t think Miami would take that deal.
Hey, we could throw in Barkley too but that might actually hurt our chances as Miami might consider that an insult.
Personally I value our current players with the exception of Barkley, well above Jordan and would rather the Eagles draft a player who does not have such a checkered past.
“I believe that he would sign a team friendly contract next season if asked. ”
Why? He only gets one chance to earn money. If he tests that market and our deal is close enough, maybe he’d stay.
If he has another 10 sacks in spot duty all year; he’s getting a huge offer for a 4-3 team and he’s gone.
MS2 looking serious and added weight too.
http://imgur.com/T2LbxZW
Hopefully not the same kind of weight as Lane last year!
a lot of loud mouthed people in the media are going to look really stupid for the things they said about a young man that just needed to add some strength…. Id take THAT problem to correct in a kid all day any day.
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sure he needs to improve his arsenal of pass rush moves, but once he is strong enough to set the edge against the run the kids career will really start, once his strength gets to where it needs to be, his athleticism will shine..
Just don’t get caught!
THIS!!!
It is odd, if not for being able to see his reflection in the mirror, I wouldn’t have even recognized him from the back.
In the accompanying diagram, just substitute all the current Eagles players’ names, in order to show the dull-witted suggestions some folks have made to trade for one rookie quarterback.
http://images.fastcompany.com/upload/funny-tv-shows-2010-venn-diagram-xlg.jpg
And here I thought this was a list of Chris Christie’s attributes.
Your interpretation makes the “tits” portion of the diagram much less appealing.
LOL
Ummm…
Nah. Just some folks trading scenarios. I didn’t want to spend any more time looking for a complete maze of nonsense. On another site, today, some guy had traded the same players and draft picks more than once! By the time he was done, the only Eagles left were Chip, Barwin and Mariota! And I’m not sure about the first two.
1. Byron Jones (trade back)
2. Phillip dorsett(trade up)
2. Eric Rowe(trade up)
3. Ali marpet
4. Clayton gaethers
6. Stephon diggs
7. Flier
The Herald spoke to Miami Heat team physician Harlan Selesnick, who said the risk of an ACL re-tear is just two percent for pro athletes. “The success rate in terms of stability is really quite good,” Selesnick stated. “You don’t see a lot of guys having a repeat ACL surgery. You can usually feel comfortable taking one of those players.”- roto about the dolphins alleged interest in Todd Gurley
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Ray Didinger had a doctor on the air and he talked about getting over ACL injuries and how reinjuring your ACL is more of a risk for DB’s, WR’s LB, RB’s and running QBs, and odds for not re-injuring yourself are probably much better for pocket QB’s and Lineman
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so much of our season hinges on “coming back from ACL injury”..
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year 1 we thought chip was doing super sports science with how insanely healthy we were all year,. Last year was an injury nightmare, our entire OL, our offensive leader Foles, and defensive leader Meco…… after the injury mess that was last year, its going to be nerve wrecking praying to get thru camp and the preseason with our boys healthy
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Injuries play such a role in how an NFL season unfolds,,. our trainers, doctors, sports science division is going to earn its paycheck this summer
Looks like others are catching on to our use of SPARQ evaluations in regards to positions and team building. 3 sigmathlete just put up an entire article dedicated to us.
http://3sigmaathlete.com/
on another note, somebody mentioned that Howie said the reason we moved back in last years draft and drafted josh huff was because we missed out on the offensive lineman we were targeting. they assumed their target would be on the board and then there was an unexpected run before their pick. looking over the list of OL that got drafted in the 3rd, there were 5 but only 2 of them had visits or any type of known interest from us. and that was Spencer Long, and Marcus martin. Marcus martin was a center drafted by the 9ers (had experience playing guard) 6 3” 320. 34” arms. nasty mauler type of player. makes me think that our higher priority might be a guy who we’ll plug at OG immediately and Center in the future and maybe look at a tackle in the later rounds..so Cameron irving, Marpet, Grasu..might be higher targets than fisher and/or clemmings. but wtf do i know…just speculation.
5 days left
People dont like him because they didnt get to see his athleticism at the combine, but I always thought there was a great chance Grasu would be an eagle.. if his arms were longer then 32 inches and weighed 10lbs more it would be a lock
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but considering half of Kelces career has been on the injured list, and molk cant play in the NFL… think there is a very good chance we draft the cerebral, high character duck center
Sparq has been around for quite a wheel and the Eagles used it before Chip was here.
I’m still pretty sure the guy we wanted was Justin Britt.
Interesting..makes sense that the seahawks snatched him up. And he went first in the 3rd round, mustve been way higher than they expected
I was one of a handful in the draft community that saw him as a fringe top 100, but we were far from the concsensus. Large swaths of the draft community thought he was a late day 3/UDFA guy. I had a huge man crush on him, and even I went, holy shit that’s agressive, when Seattle picked him at the end of the second.
Roto:
“Several Giants sources” insist the team will give “strong consideration” to drafting a wide receiver if the right one falls to No. 9 overall.
The “right ones” would presumably be Alabama’s Amari Cooper and West Virginia’s Kevin White. An offensive lineman at No. 9 still seems most likely, whether it be Iowa’s Brandon Scherff, Stanford’s Andrus Peat, or Miami’s Ereck Flowers. Still, the fact that GM Jerry Reese isn’t a “needs drafter” leaves open the possibility of the Giants addressing any position in the first round.
ESPN’s Mark Dominik is “certain” Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota will go 1-2 in this week’s NFL draft.
Dominik also believes UCLA’s Brett Hundley “should” go in the first round, but that’s just his opinion. Dominik was an NFL general manager as recently as the 2013 season and likely still has close ties to many personnel people around the league. It would be a shock if Winston and Mariota weren’t selected at Nos. 1 and 2 overall, although not necessarily in that order.
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ESPN Boston’s Mike Reiss believes USC WR Nelson Agholor “could be enticing” to the Patriots if he lasts until the No. 32 overall pick.
Agholor is a dynamic playmaker on offense and special teams. Bill Belichick loves versatile players who can save roster spots. Agholor is more likely to be selected in the 20s, but Reiss suggests Agholor could fall further than expected “because of the glut of top-flight pass catchers” in this year’s draft.
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Jameis Winston – QB – Player
According to the Tampa Tribune, the Buccaneers have met or spoken with “upwards of 75 people” with ties to Florida State QB Jameis Winston throughout the draft process.
They want to know if Winston’s off-field transgressions were “the work of a bad person or simply an immature one.” The Bucs conducted a similar investigation with Justin Blackmon a few years back, staking him out at a local bar to see how many times he would attend throughout the week. Buccaneers officials spoke with the Tallahassee State Attorney’s Office about an FSU student who received “counseling services” after a sexual encounter with Winston. According to the Attorney’s Office, the student did not press charges and “doesn’t even consider herself a victim.” We’ll know Thursday if Winston’s baggage is too much for the Buccaneers to handle.
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I cant believe Tampa is going to make a sociopath the face of the franchise and the 2015th draft… could they possibly do all this research on Jameison and still make him the top pick?
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kiss Agholor round 2 pipe dream officially goodbye
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Kevin White and ODB? greedy pricks. should have let them beat me, we would pick higher, they wouldnt pick as high….
Recently read an article written by the girl he supposedly raped. Pretty sure she considers herself a victim of straight up rape, and reported it as such the night it happened and still years later feels the same way.
There were a couple, maybe this one is a different one?
And as I asked that question, I just realized that sounds worse than what I intended.
there’s two. the one we’ve all heard about and another who went to a counselor but never took it any farther. The first one mentioned the second one their civil suit hoping to prop up their case, which is a little distasteful to me.
bucs don’t have a qb, what els are they going to do? be the texans?
True. I’m not a fan of the guy from what I’ve seen, but talent is talent and they need it in TB. They have done their homework on him the same way they did on the guy they didn’t draft before. We’ll learn a lot on Thursday night. If they pick him, then their homework says they think he’ll be fine. If they don’t, I think that should be a signal to other teams to probably stay away.
gms are dumn, these are the same guys that pick johny m over bridgewater.
I guess they could be the Browns or the Raiders… I mean that’s better than being the Texans, right?
Its crazy that every year they tear a QB prospect a new asshole during the predraft process… look what they did to Teddy Bridgewater, Kid did everything right, had a bad workout and they destroyed that kid in the predraft process.
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compared to how we poke and prod at top pick QBs in every draft, Jameis Winston has had a cake walk this predraft process, he is basically getting a free pass, and im not even sure he is as good of a QB as everyone things he is..
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for starters its like he doesnt even see Middle Linebackers in coverage. How many INTdid he throw to Linebackers alone?
I’ve felt the same way. The only reason I think it’s been so quiet regarding him getting analyzed is everyone seems to be 100% sure he’s going number 1 to Tampa. It’s like since everyone knows he’ll be picked first there’s no reason to talk about him or analyze him. Just seems so weird why there’s so much certainty. He’s not THAT good. He threw 18 picks last year. That’s a lot in a 16 game pro season, let alone a college season. And he’s had multiple rape allegations. I honestly think if Tampa passed on him he’d tumble down the draft board. But, I can’t think of any reason why Tampa would see the need to generate this false sense of security around the league that they’re going to take Winston if they really aren’t.
yeah its certainly odd….. he really isnt THAT good to be having all these rape allegations and red flags and be the consensus top pick. its really weird, especially in todays hyper sensative climate..
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heck we are about to see the biggest boxing match of the decade this weekend and everyonbe is now talking about the mayweather woman abbuse issues, yet winston just smiles, talks his sociopath mumbo jumbo and is getting a free pass, and will be the face of the Bucs and the face of the 2015 draft?
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whats THAT say about how little tampa thinks of Marriota? and are we really sure they wont take MM? Lovie smith is tight with Dungy, Dungy loves his oregon ducks..
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this is all so strange, im starting to think Thursdays draft will be even crazier then we already anticipate..
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I will Laugh if in the end, the Browns end up with this over rated sociopath
feel like Justice will be served if winston becomes a cleveland Brown… him and that joke of a franchise deserve each other
Yea. I keep wondering why they apparently have showed so little interest in Mariota and have seemed since day one to be pretty solely on the Winston train. But, I just can’t think of any reason with the number 1 overall pick why theyd want to be tight lipped and trick people into thinking they’re gonna draft Winston. If they really want Mariota how does using Winston as a diversion help them. In fact it would make more sense if they acted like they were open to drafting either so they’d at least be in the discussion for a trade up. No one is going to trade up for Winston though. So, why would they pretend to want Winston if they actually plan to draft Mariota?
And then they take the best pass rusher on the board at 9.
Id assume OL… but I have assumed they were going OL for years and they still havent fixed that slop line, so who knows..
Take Byron Jones in the first and run with it Chip. Sure he’s not flashy but neither is Sherman, Haden, or Revis. A great cover corner will never get his name called very often and gets their respect when you go to the film.
Trenches more important, get Clemmings.
CBs are way harder to groom than OL. Clemmings has top 10 at his position potential. Jones has top 5.
Depends on your coaches.
Well we clearly don’t want those DB coaches.
no way… 300lb men with stress fractures in their feet are a BAD IDEA
See i like him more now – will probably fall considurably in the draft – could be there in rounds 3 now which would be fantastic because we can afford to redshirt him a year.
I MEAN no 300lb men with stress fractures in round 1… I absolutely take a flier on him if the stress fracture causes him to fall
Why? Stress fractures heal, anybody can get them.
300lbs is a bad idea for that Injury… I think we have to be crazy to take him in round 1 now. if the injury causes him to fall I would gladly take a flier on him, but im not comfortable with his weight on THAT injury in round 1…
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weight is allegedly a big component about healing from this injury and going on to have a long healthy career instead of reoccurring problems…problem is his position forces him to keep the weight on. I really dont want to spend a first round pick on an injury headache..
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then again it could be fun to hear the media and donkey fans cry for another year over a 1st rounder who isnt providing instant gratification..
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and considering our affinity for adding injured players, maybe this sounds like EXACTLY the pick chip would make lol
I don’t care how good of a player he is, PK Subban is dead to me.
He should be dead period.
Count Ray Diddy as one of the people who think the Eagles will take Landon Collins in the 1st. For reference here is his mock:
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2015/04/24/ray-didinger-eagles-mock-draft/#.VT0aLlS0qkI.twitter
Round 1 (No. 20) — Landon Collins, S, Alabama
Round 2 (No. 52) — Breshad Perriman, WR, UCF
Round 3 (No. 84) — A.J. Cann, G, South Carolina
Round 4 (No. 113) — Eric Rowe, CB, Utah
Round 5 (No. 145) — Robby Havenstein, OT, Wisconsin
Round 5 (No. 156) — Nick Boyle, TE, Delaware
Round 6 (No. 196) — Martell Spaight, OLB, Arkansas
Round 7 (No. 237 — Devante Davis, WR, UNLV
Not sure what is more laughable, Eric Rowe dropping to the 4th round or Landon Collins being picked by the Eagles.
Yeah this is a pretty bad mock even for Ray Diddy. I’m a fan of his, but drafting isn’t his thing.
At his best he’s a historian. He’s definitely not a draft expert and never has been.
he fancies himself a play writer now…smh
Love the Davis pick though!
Forget Collins.
Perriman and Rowe won’t be there with those picks.
Cann and Havenstein aren’t scheme fits.
Spaight is a 6’0 LB. I’m not buying us taking a short LB, especially if he runs a 4.9.
Wow, way to take a fat dumb all over poor Diddy’s mock. What a jerk!
I mean I guess Boyle and Davis may be fits…
R Diddy has lost a step mentally. Landon Collins can’t play that mirrored concept we like.
One thing I have thought about is, just how married to the mirror concept are they. There is a new db coach and who else uses the mirror approach? Not any of the better defenses to my knowledge. I am sort of thinking you grab Collins use him to the best of his abilities.
wow didinger, smh….
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Landon wont be on our draft board
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perriman wont fall to us in round 2
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Rowe in round 4 is a fanboy pipe dream
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he really needs to leave the draft talk alone,
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even worse, he just wrote a play “tommy and me”, him and Tommy McDonald story. curious to know if any posters actually go watch a ray didinger pay
My final, homemade mock with alternatives:
1. Clemmings OT/ Strong WR
2. Rowe DB/ Mauldin OLB
3. Geathers S/ Conley WR
4. Bell WR / Sambrailo OL
5. Fua OLB/ Drummond S
5. Drummond S/ Fua OLB
6. Greg Mancz OL
7. Devante Davis WR
Mmmmmmmmm Mancz.
He’s the OL everyone forgot. That shoulder surgery has got him ripe for the pickings in the lower rounds.
He’s a bigger, better version of Marpet.
Mitch Morse is also going to go higher on draft day than people think.
I didnt’ get a chance to watch Morse but there was one game of Mancz. I love his size and his ability to pull which it looks like Toledo did a lot of. I’m also a fan of his ability to pass rushers off to other lineman and move to the next level. I feel as though he could do a bit better job at the next level and bring the same kind of aggression to the end of the plays as he does in the beginning. He was holding his own against Arkansas 330+ pounder pretty easily and regardless of skill difference it is encouraging to see.
Give Morse a look if you get the chance. very reminiscent of his former teammate Justin Britt, who I loved last year.
The thing about Mancz was I had a MACtion game on in the background last fall and he kept flashing. Offensive linemen don’t flash at you. Mancz did. The fact that he was playing center (has experience all over the line during his 4 years of starting) is a taller guy and pulls as well as he does is amazing.
How do you feel about Glowinski and Harrison? Personally I want Harrison as his upside is so intriguing.
Haven’t watched Harrison.
Glowinski doesn’t do much for me. He executes his blocks, but isn’t dynamic in any particular way. He’s very very much a JAG. Late day 3, sure, but he’s absolutely going to get killed by Tobin in camp if they compete for a job.
Thanks for replying, I just have some questions to ask.
1. How hard are the classes in undergrad really? I have a general idea of what classes you have to take but how hard would you say they are?
2. What specialty (if any) do you plan on going into?
What was your gpa in high school? Act score? I’m not sure on specialty. In the 3rd year of med school you get a better picture of what you want to do.
91.5 in high school (currently a senior) and I think I got a 1550/2400 on the SAT
91.5 is your average grade out of 100? I was thinking gpa out of like 4 or 5. If you averaged 91.5 in your classes, you can handle the load in college. You have the capacity so things aren’t hard from a conception standpoint but hard in the amount of time you have to spend on the subjects. If you can, on average, spend 2-3 hours a day studying school material you will have a good starting point. From there you can increase or decrease your amount of time on school work.
Ok thank you I appreciate it.
If Chip is really over and done on Marcus Smith, can they just do player for player? I suppose Smith would project even worse in 4-3.
Smith would project more than fine as a 4-3 SAM with his coverage skills and ability to blitz.
Very true.
I doubt CK is tired of MS after 1 season. I also doubt after 1 season(for MS), any team would trade 1 away/for 1 with first round picks.
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I do believe, where’s there’s smoke there’s fire. Perhaps there is smoke that MS wasn’t up to par last year, but this is a different year. MS is NOT going anywhere.
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*That is all said with a conventional coach, which CK is not…
I really don’t mind seeing how the draft is going for a round or two or three before we talk about moving certain players for other players or 2016 draft picks.
As far as I’m concerned Cox, Curry, Boykins, and Kendricks can all go at the right price if the Eagles don’t get a sense they can sign those guys long term.
I’d really be loathe to move Mathis because I don’t anticipate a return on the trade that would be equivalent to his role on the team.
Agree regarding Mathis. I think sending Cox away could really be crippling for this D though.
No trade down style
Round 1 Pick 20: Breshad Perriman, WR, UCF (B)
Round 2 Pick 20: Maxx Williams, TE, Minnesota (A+)
Round 3 Pick 20: Ty Sambrailo, OT, Colorado State (B+)
Round 4 Pick 14: Senquez Golson, CB, Ole Miss (B)
Round 5 Pick 9: Clayton Geathers, SS, UCF (A)
Round 5 Pick 20: Leterrius Walton, DT, Central Michigan (B+)
Round 6 Pick 20: Bryce Hager, ILB, Baylor (B-)
Round 7 Pick 20: Tony Washington, OLB, Oregon (B)
My dream Draft Scenario is for the draft to work out something along the lines of:
Round 1 Pick 20: Byron Jones, CB/FS, Connecticut (B+)
Round 2 Pick 20: Quinten Rollins, CB/FS, Miami (Ohio) (A-)
Round 3 Pick 20: Cedric Ogbuehi, OT, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 4 Pick 14: Tre McBride, WR, William & Mary (A+)
Round 5 Pick 9: Chris Conley, WR, Georgia (A+)
Round 5 Pick 20: Shaquille Mason, OG/C, Georgia Tech (A-)
Round 6 Pick 20: Nick Boyle, TE, Delaware (B-)
Round 7 Pick 20: Cody Fajardo, QB, Nevada (B-)
Jones, McBride and Conley? Yes please.
I prefer somebody else than Ogbuehi and Mason, but else a great mock.
I think Ogbuehi is way too weak in his pass protection and not sure Mason fits.
change Ogbuehi for Oklohoma’s Daryl Williams OT and im thrilled
I can’t wait for after the draft to see all the posts from people who’ve done 10000 mock drafts say “see, I knew they’d pick him”
And I can’t wait for people to trumpet their negative predictions. “See, I knew all the people who said we were going to draft ______ were idiots.” All one needs to do is say there is no way we draft Mariota and there is no way we draft Landon Collins and you are guaranteed to be correct, because it would be impossible to get them both, even if we wanted them.
Amen! I can guarantee only 1 thing. If I don’t get to say “wtf is CK doing” — I’ll be disappointed :).
Well you see the Eagles are totally going to pick:
Eric Kendrickssssssss
No I mean, Jake Fisher,
Well unless Bud DupREe is there
But Jalen COLLInS is the best corner in the draft
Oh wait people who watch film say he’s not so ummm take Jordan Phillips
Now the hot prospect of the week is Danny Shelton, I heard Daniel Jeremiah say he’s like Vince Wilfork or Haloti Ngata
Plus oh everyone please remember that FOLESSSS is DA QB of DA FUTureE!!! AND MATT BaRkLEy is AweSomez
Byron Jonez is overrated and just a WorKout WarRRior
We ShOuLD sell FARMMM 4 FOWLeR, Screw Mariotta
Oh I mean Byron Jones IS the OnLy CB even WortH taking ToP 40.
Something Something Something MEDiA is stoopid now let me talk about them for 4000 wordz
HEEE HAWWW anyone who disagrees with my amazing persebtage of being right is a donkey hahahahahaha.
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I think at this point I’m fine with whoever we take in the first round unless it’s Landon Collins. Collins is getting a lot of hate from the Eagles fans but the hate might be justified if say GIants miraculously took him.
that’s where confusion sets in. I have no idea/clue/notion on who/what Collins is. “pro’s” have Collins as a top 10 player, never mind making it to 20. Yet no Eagle fan has him in the first round and they hate him.
No ‘Pro’ has him as a top 10 pick. Lacks even solid athleticism. He is the most pro ready safety of an awful bunch which is pushing him up boards – he is a decent SS prospect, and is probably an early 2nd round prospect if the class was not so awful.
I could have been mistaken as to what the list was for, they had Collins listed at number 10 on the nfl network draft show…
No trades
…Round 1 Pick 20: DeVante Parker, WR, Louisville (A+)
Round 2 Pick 20: Marcus Peters, CB, Washington (A+)
Round 3 Pick 20: Daryl Williams, OT, Oklahoma (A-)
Round 4 Pick 14: Ibraheim Campbell, SS, Northwestern (A)
Round 5 Pick 9: Chris Conley, WR, Georgia (A+)
Round 5 Pick 20: Alani Fua, OLB, Brigham Young (A-)
Round 6 Pick 20: Zach Wagenmann, DE/OLB, Montana (B-)
Round 7 Pick 20: Trey DePriest, ILB, Alabama (C)
Draft this kid on Name alone!!! I want to root for Tra’Mayne Bondurant, FS,
I like that. If I had to guess, Eagles take at least 2 OL. If I see a WR first, I get excited. No real reason.
Jesse James was taken @5.19 – just missed him.
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 23 (DET): Byron Jones, CB/FS, Connecticut (A-)
Round 2 Pick 20: T.J. Clemmings, OT, Pittsburgh (A+)
Round 2 Pick 22 (DET): Breshad Perriman, WR, UCF (A+)
Round 3 Pick 20: Adrian Amos, FS, Penn State (B)
Round 4 Pick 14: Sammie Coates, WR, Auburn (A+)
Round 5 Pick 9: David Cobb, RB, Minnesota (A+)
Round 5 Pick 20: Ramik Wilson, ILB, Georgia (B+)
Round 6 Pick 20: Laurence Gibson, OT, Virginia Tech (A-)
Round 7 Pick 20: Louis Trinca-Pasat, DT, Iowa (B)
Cant figure out if the eagle REALLY want to start Barbre, or if they want the kid they draft to beat him out and take his spot in september.
I think they are high on Barbre and may want him to start
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and I have no idea whats going to happen with Mathis.
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If the Eagles plan on starting Barbre and Mathis in september, and are high on Tobin, they may not even draft an OL in the top 100. I also wouldnt be surprised if they drafted two OL in the first 4 rounds..
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really curious to see what this roster looks like a week from now
I think they will not force a pick early but will be very happy if an OL is the BPA at 20, 52 or 84.
Barbre and Mathis are not long term solutions and by 2016 we will need at least 1 new starting OG, and by 2017 maybe a RT and OG.
I sent a mock in to Fran Duffy and had the Eagles go back to back OL in the 3rd and 4th.
obviously they arent long term solutions, but if you need an OL to start in 2016, I really see no reason to even draft one early. Its one of the few plug and play positions, so If we are ok starting a rook this year if he beats out Barbre or Mathis then take one early… but if you are going to go with the veteran Guards for a year then Id rather wait til like the 3rd-5th rounds for an OL to groom for 2016, and then draft an OL high in next years draft…. but Im all about the trenches so I will never complain about spending High picks on the OL or front 7…