Nelson Agholor, Your Newest Eagle
Posted: May 1st, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 1,040 Comments »Let’s take a look at WR Nelson Agholor.
6-0, 198
40 – 4.42
BP – 12 reps
VJ – 36.5 inches
BJ – 10’5
SS – 4.34
3C – 6.83
32 1/4 arms
9 1/4 hands
Turns 22 on 5/24. 2-year starter at WR for the Trojans. 56-918-6 in 2013. 104-1313-12 in 2014. Ran back 2 punts for TDs in 2014. Ran back a pair of KOs for TDs in 2013.
Agholor isn’t your typical college WR. He played in a pro style system and understands how to run routes to get open instead of relying on scheme or running a ton of WR screens. Agholor isn’t special physically, but has a good combination of size, speed and skill. He knows how to get open. He has good hands and catches the ball away from his body. Agholor has good feet. He has very good body control, which I think is the most critical trait in good receivers. He is an inconsistent blocker, but does a good job at times. He certainly isn’t shy about contact. He will work the middle of the field and is comfortable catching the ball in traffic. Agholor is an effective downfield receiver as well. He has the speed to get deep and tracks the ball well. He can also adjust to passes that are off-target.
While Agholor is a talented, fairly polished receiver, he doesn’t have dynamic potential. Breshad Perriman is bigger and faster. Agholor has enough size/speed to be a starter, but he lacks compelling measurables. He and Jeremy Maclin are almost the exact same size. Agholor is slightly faster. While Agholor did play in a pro style attack, he isn’t a great route runner. He doesn’t make sharp, dynamic cuts. There are times when he drifts too close to the sideline on deep routes and doesn’t give the QB enough room to work with. His blocking is very good at times, but he is too inconsistent there. He should be better on a play-by-play basis.
I think Agholor can be a very good starting WR in the NFL. He can get open, catches the ball well and can make plays after the catch. He can also contribute as a RS. In terms of a player comparison, he really is like Maclin and Reggie Wayne. He doesn’t do any one thing that will blow you away, but he’s good enough to make plays in a variety of ways.
Agholor is a good fit for the Eagles. Jordan Matthews, Riley Cooper and Miles Austin are all big receivers. The Eagles needed someone with good speed and the ability to create big RAC plays. Agholor ran 4.42 at the Combine. That is plenty fast enough to stretch a defense. He is faster than Maclin, who was an underrated deep receiver.
I do find it interesting that Chip Kelly pulled the trigger on taking a skill player at 20 instead of a blocker or defender.
I also think Agholor is interesting for another reason. He is more polished than Perriman and even Dorsett. If Sam Bradford is going to be the QB (and he is), go get him weapons that can help right away. Agholor isn’t a project. He can challenge for a starting role right away. He can contribute as a role player or even challenge for a starting job right away.
Most importantly of all, he’s not Damarious Randall.
Interesting opening day for the Eagles.
“There are times when he drifts too close to the sideline on deep routes and doesnβt give the QB enough room to work with. ”
Isn’t this the exact type of poor technique that is easily fixed with good coaching?
He has enough speed to get on top of and stack CBs, just may need to work on it a bit.
Agholor & Maxwell > Maclin & Byron Jones…
Byron Jones & Byron Maxwell > Maclin & Agholor.
DARE I SAY :
Agholor, Rowe & Maxwell > Maclin, Maxwell, Jones
Rowe isn’t on the team (yet?) so no.
Booo. Why so serious?
Because Jones is on the Cowgirls of all frigging teams.
I rate Rowe similarly to Jones. Maybe they can snag him in the second. Not losing sleep over Jones, but it probably would have been the most amusing pick for us there.
Jones is the better cover corner. Rowe will probably be a safety for us.
Rowe will start out at corner and could possibly be really good there, fall back to safety if needed.
Jones is over rated. Agholor turns Jones around.
Ha!
So La’el Collins is dropping like a rock. The Eagles brought him in for a visit so they got a good feel for him. Any chance he is still on their board, maybe in the 4th or 5th. Obviously that’s assuming he had nothing to do with murdering his pregnant g/f.
Well, yeah. Based on his play alone, he should have been taken already.
Wasn’t she an ex?
Here is a scorching hot take:
https://twitter.com/geoffmoshercsn/status/594001383222706176
My draft recap:
PIck 2: Do it, listen to Phil Knight and just do it Chip. Embrace your inner Nike. Come on. Sell the city of Reading into servitude. Sacrifice GJ Kinnie to pagan gods. Just do it.
Damnit.
Pick 5: Shit, Scottie Mclaughlin is earning his money in DC. That’s pick is going to be a nuisance to me for the next decade. Bennie better eat his wheaties.
Pick 9: Hehehehhehehehe, silly Giants. I get the appeal, and if he turns out perfect maybe he’s Bryant Mckinney, but I’m pretty sure you just drafted Phil Loadholt v.2 at 9th overall.
Pick 12-19: Don’t take Dupree, Don’t take Dupree, Don’t do it. Be the anti Nike. Take a running back or a raw and overrated 34 DE. Excellent, yesss, it’s all going to plan
Pick 20: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BUDDDDDDDDDDDD!!! Pours out a my 40 for the wonderful possibilities of what could have been. Agholor? Meh. Good player, solid player, but I’m left full but not satisfied. Content but not ecstatic.
PIck 27: God damnit Jerry. Damn you’re suddenly competent drafting. Byron, it was real while it lasted, but eat poopyturds.
Pick 31: Maybe Kendricks survives afterall.
After pick 32: Well it’s gonna be a long strange 48 hours ladies and gents.
Chip likes his dime a dozen WRs
That’s a bit overly reductive.
All of whom cam line up wide, 2 of whom can play the slot, all of whom will work crossing routes. Agholor will improve his blocking, and the whole group will be proficient at that as well.
Your thoughts on 20 mirror mine. Agholor’s a fine player with a high floor but…..meh.
I’m assuming your preference is to find a way to get Hundley in round 2, right?
I’m kinda hoping they find a way to land Clemmings.
Those are the two names I would like to see in round 2.
Dallas getting Jones stings like crazy. Dammit.
Happy with Agholor. I’ve been talking him up all week as the pick because he’s such a perfect fit for this offense.
Would have been nice to trade back and get him, but don’t think the market was there this year.
DRAFT ROWE ROUND 2!
Anyone have any good insight on how he matches up against Byron Jones?
Jones will eat him alive unless Agholor can make some cuts.
Or will agholor eat him alive unless Jones can make some cuts?
WRception?
Considering neither has played in the NFL yet, and didn’t face each other in college, it’s akin to who would win a fight: Anna Kendricks or Megan Fox?
Ok, that’s not true, the answer to my hypothetical is all of us.
Anna would sing her so hard.
My $ is on Rebecca DeCosta…
This ain’t WWE, aint nobody running in from ringside to win the world title. There is no door C.
And if there was Karlie Kloss would kick it in and steal the belt.
Minnie Driver?
Megan Fox. Anna Kendricks is a good looking women but she wouldn’t even stand out from the crowd in a lot of bars in Manhattan or LA or Miami.
So a lot of Bars those places have gorgeous looking red heads?
Real redheads? No but fake ones are around and since when is either of these women a natural redhead?
Because I somehow mixed up Christian Hendricks with Anna Kendricks….
I’m pretty sure she’s not a natural redhead, either?
Real redheads – head to Edinburgh in Scotland (one of my favorite cities in the world). Lots of natural redheads.
Ditto Moscow supposedly although I have never been. Only St. Petersburg.
And how exactly does that help in a fight? I think Anna Kendricks probably knows how to throw down.
She is a midget (in terms of a fight) and it would just be a lot of hair-pulling and slapping.
Anna has MMA training.
Anna has MMA training.
We can’t compare any woman to the champ.
http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg503/askar9992/ronda-rousey-2013-fox-sports-media-group-upfront-after-party-01_zps5ffb8d79.jpg
But Kendricks is gonna EGOT. You leave my ginger princess alone now Bob.
It’s too hard, First some of us kind of wanted Jones. Now we have to hope he’s a colossal bust!. It’s too hard.
http://i.imgur.com/4UcO9.jpg
It’s too hard, First some of us kind of wanted Jones. Now we have to hope he’s a colossal bust!. It’s too hard.
http://i.imgur.com/4UcO9.jpg
Chip kelly will scheme Nelson open and byron jones will be confused.That is how most corners match up with our offense.
A perfect “make-up” pick (not for not getting MM, but rather for losing Maclin to KC).
Also, a nice make-up present for Bradford (“Really, I was never going to trade you, Sam, no really – now here’s a little something to show you how much I really love you.”)
Is Chip trying to copy other teams? Chip has drafted 3 possession WRs and signed another one in Miles Austin. You know which other teams have a bunch of just possession WRs? The Patriots/Seahawks. Belichick is corrupting Chip!!
Did you watch his highlights? He does not look like a possession WR to me.
Well Kelly is good friends with Urban Meyers, Nick Saban, The Hoodie and Carroll, so no wonder his Eagles team is a lot like those teams in terms of philosophy.
The funny thing is Kelly was the person who got Meyers to change his offense last year that won OSU its national championship
Meyers recruiting class of top 3 (for like 3-4 years) was the reason he won the championship.
Then Bama should have won right?
Meyers changed his scheme from the QB power trap he ran with Miller and Tebow to pretty much copy pasting Oregon’s offense with help from Kelly.
Okay let me be fair here. I made a statement unattached to any opinion.
I think Meyers is a great recruiter and he is a damn good coach. I can’t speak to who I think is best, because I don’t know. But I think Saban is a phenomenal recruiter at a school that gets recruits.
The only thing I can say to Saban is that I see a parallel to Calipari. There’s no reason in the world that Kentucky should have lost to Wisconsin, but Calipari was thoroughly outcoached in that game. I think the same think happened to Saban in his game against OSU. They were on their 3rd string QB, and still won. To me that’s both recruiting and coaching.
Meyer makes it happen wherever he goes. Recruiting, coaching, level of play, etc. – he’s on top of the game.
TLDR: Meyers is a better coach than Saban.
Saban still won several national championships and you do not do that without been a good coach.
But I do think Meyers is one of the best coaches in football and watching Meyers pretty much copy pasting Oregon’s offense makes me wonder what Kelly could have done with the same kind of talent in college
Yeah we agree on that, and I didn’t mean to slight Saban as if he wasn’t a good coach (same with Calipari). I was only trying to say (albeit clumsily) that I though Saban was outcoached by Meyers and Calipari was outcoached by Ryan.
Alabama will be there almost every year, and now OH St will be there too. Sad to say I have no faith in Helfrich and I think slowly that program will degrade. Instead of the #10ish recruiting class, he’ll go to 14 then 18 then 22, then obscurity.
But @D3FB:disqus or @OregonDucker would be the ones who could speak to that intelligently.
It was Helfrich who convinced Kelly to recruit Mariota. I still think Oregon will be borderline play off team for the next few years
I wouldn’t say Helfrich is going to run the program aground. To me between what Kelly/Mariotta have done for the national profile of the program and what Phil Knight has done for the athletic department infrastructure, I see Oregon as worse case the west coast version of Clemson. Always top 25, always have a few pretty darn good players, 9-10 wins a year, on national TV because they are one of the better teams in their conference but on their best day can beat all but the top two or three teams.
Meyers ran that offense in Florida.
No he didnt. In Florida he ran QB power, after Miller went down Meyers changed from that to what Oregon runs.
Very Very Very much not.
Vastly different.
I swear if you run a 4.4 dead these days as a WR you are ‘slow’ or unathletic is some peoples mind. But if he had run a 4.38 he would be a burner who can take the top off a defence. He has really good short area quickness and over 10 yards he is plenty fast.
Lots of upside as well as he is not polished yet, and can grow as a route runner and as a blocker significantly. I would have preferred a trade back with the way the board looked – pick no. 26 and a 3rd (maybe a 5th goes the other way) would have been a better use of resources but if people were not offering any realistic trades then what can you do?
And Mac ran a 4.45. So Agholor’s an upgrade π
The saddest thing is that timing the 40 to hundredths of a second is absurd. You know what the difference between a 4.4 and a 4.38 is over 40 yards? It means if the two were racing the faster guy would reach 40 yards 6 inches in front of the faster guy.
Yeah, the idea that Agoholor is faster than Maclin doesn’t really hold water. That 0.1 probably means nothing. Kind of like when Shaq was asked his health status after an injury and he said something like: “I’m at 84.56345%”
The devils advocate in me: Isn’t 6 inches the difference of being open or not in the NFL…
The realist in me: Some people are hung up on this pick because Breshad Perriman is bigger and faster. But if they would take into account the hands, route running, ect.. To take Perriman over Agholor is Al Davis like… IE. Heyward-Bey over Maclin.
You’re right, but look at 6 inches in reality. How much closer can you get to someone without crossing feet. You’re basically in his back pocket. Second, CBs don’t cover WRs by lining up next to them on the LOS and racing straight for 40 yards. The majority of separation is created by technique, we’ll run routes and you wastes more motion. The 6inches due to straight line speed alone is insignificant in comparison to the other factors that cause separation. If it wasn’t Jerry Rice would have never gotten open. If he ran a 4.7 and the difference at 40 yards is 9 feet. Yea that’s significant. 6 inches not so much that you shouldn’t take the better football player/WR over the guy with a 40 time a couple 100ths of a second faster.
I was just messing around. But still an awesome and in depth rebuttal. And besides you hear all the time about track speed and actual football speed. Well you know. I’m preaching to the choir.
So you’re saying we drafted Reggie Wayne? I’ll take it.
Most compare him to either Wayne, Cobb or Maclin
The Cobb comp is my favorite, and I think more accurate.
Reminds me of Marvin Harrison.
Since he’s going to have one of the worst deep throwers in the NFL over the past five seasons throwing to him, I don’t think shoddy technique on his deep routes is going to be the big issue.
Sure, it’s apparent that Bradford is less talented than Foles. Algohor is not really good, and Bradford is comparable to Ryan Leaf.
/snark
It’s a fact that Bradford has been statistically one of the worst deep throwers in the NFL over the course of his career. You can say that’s because of the talent he had to work with, but then you have to explain why Shaun Hill and Austin Davis were more effective throwing deep with the same talent. Foles has a more limited track record, but all available evidence suggests that he is a better deep thrower than Bradford.
I’m fine with picking Algohor. From everything I read he’s a good prospect without any obvious weaknesses, and it’s a position of need. I just don’t think a little flaw like “doesn’t run good deep routes” is likely to be a major issue given that none of the quarterbacks currently on the roster can throw the deep ball well. It’s not going to be a major part of the offense.
“You can say that’s because of the talent he had to work with…”
I don’t think Foles is that much better, and absolutely not is Hill or Davis better than Bradford.
http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/2yv6ug/cian_fahey_looks_at_sam_bradford_throwing_deep/
I think you’re overselling Bradford’s problems with the deep ball, but I tend to agree that we’re not going to see the 2013 offense again in that regard. Deep balls, even with highly proficient players, are relatively low percentage plays that are going to slow down the no-huddle offense in a multitude of ways. They’ll still be part of the playbook for when the defense just ignores them, but I think the plan is for more first downs and letting tempo do it’s work on the defense’s mind and body. For the most part, the deep intermediate throws are just as effective at loosening up a defense, and those are something Bradford seems to execute fairly well.
Honestly, I’m more concerned with whether Bradford has lost his pocket presence due to the injuries/poor teams. If he still has that subconscious confidence (and obviously he needs to stay healthy), he’s going to put up very good numbers in 2015.
When we say “put up good numbers”, let’s remember to adjust for pace. Running more plays pads your offensive (conventional) stats and drops your defensive stats, but has no proven effect on winning. Efficiency (YPA, YPC, success rate) is what we’re looking for. So far, Bradford’s results in this arena have been underwhelming, even when he was winning awards (because of pedigree and volume stats).
Honestly, I’m agnostic about Bradford. To date, there has been literally no statistical evidence that he’s capable of being even an above average NFL quarterback. However, I do think Chip Kelly is a smart guy, and he’s spent way more of his life thinking about football than I have. If he’s willing to stake his professional reputation on making this guy his QB,, I’m willing to give it a chance.
I’m just not optimistic. NFL history to this point leads me to believe the chances Kelly is an arrogant, delusional egomaniac >>> chances he’s a genius who sees potential no one else does.
Bradford has plenty of talent to work with dunno what you’re talking about. Qbs have gotten better in the past when having a change if scenery/coaching. I bet Kelly makes him look like a pro bowler. Elite arm talent. Amazing how many passes were dropped with the rams, hit his receivers in the hands a lot. Accuracy is actually his strong suit. Almost every coach in the NFL raves about his natural talent as a qb. It’s a team sport, it’s not all on him. So far this is the most naturally talented qb we’ve had in some years. There’s a reason teams had him up with Aikman and Manning for his natural talent/prospect level. Enough athleticism to escape the rush too and has good pocket presence.
An interesting angle to consider is how hard working Agholor is on and off the field. He resembles Matthews in this regard where he’ll work his ass off to be the best he can. He won’t be taking any plays off and he will completely buy into chip. I’m sure this was weighed heavily when deciding between Strong/Perriman/Dorsett/Agholor. Sure he may not be the most dynamic but neither is/was Antonio Brown, Emmanuel sanders, Reggie Wayne, Tory holt, maclin, Cobb… Each of who are comparable to Agholor and have performed very well in the league. Sure there are examples of similar players who have failed but my point is it doesn’t take a “dynamic” receiver to play at an elite (top 5) level. Nelson can surely be elite and his measurables alone don’t dictate otherwise.
“When it was time to evaluate Agholor for this yearβs draft, Kelly went to Tampa to work him out. He also invited Agholor to visit the NovaCare Complex and meet with the coaching staff. That meeting lasted longer than Kelly had planned.
βWe were in the room with him for a long time because of the questions he had for us,β Kelly said. βHow do we attack this coverage? What do we do here? Heβs one of those guys whoβs just really a student of the game. You get excited when youβre around guys like that. They just soak up everything you spit out. He always wants to get better. Really, exactly what we look for in a football player.β”
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/68089/nelson-agholor-on-eagles-coach-chip-kellys-radar-for-years
This quote just scream high character guy and combine that with a good/great talent and you have a chance of something special
We agree, I don’t think we’re surprised by this pick – I think most of us (including me – not that I’m a draft nik) thought we would either a) trade back for him or b) get him in the 2nd. I do think most of us knew early on that this was a CK guy.
It reminds me of last year when he wanted to pick Matthews in the 1st, but had to trade up in the 2nd to get him. This is CK getting his guy where he wanted him.
“The versatile and speedy Agholor is a good foil for second-year wide out Jordan Matthews. If Agholor develops as expected, he could be this generation’s version of Reggie Wayne. But is he a legit No. 1 wide receiver who will scare defenses?”
If Agholor ends up as good as Wayne, this pick has been a home run
I hope so, I hear from a lot of people on this board that he is a Mac clone. I’d take that production in this offense.
“If Agholor ends up as good as Wayne, this pick as been a home run.”
If he’s a triple I’m happy. I think (though my opinion carries weight absolutely nowhere) that CK wants a bunch of doubles and triples on his team, and in turn that is what he thinks is a winning formula for scoring a lot of runs.
Is this weird that I’m comparing success in the NFL to scoring runs in baseball? If so, are the Phillies jinxing us? π
Sometimes Basketball and baseball has better desciptions because of the simpler rules.
I 100% think Kelly wants a PG that can just get the ball around quick with low turnovers and he is striking for double and triples that will turn into a big play if the defense screws up.
An apt description. We think alike here.
Right. And Kelly’s system is designed to put constant pressure on a d to force them into these mistakes. It’s a systemic scheme/personnel fit.
Exactly. And I think the point of the hurry-up/no huddle is to “encourage” the defense to screw up more often. Big plays (in Chip’s plan) come not so much from your guy doing something extraordinary, but from him doing it consistently well and eventually abusing a tired, confused defender.
No, this is chip kelly getting his guy at the appropriate value
Yeah, he won’t waste time. I think this draft is going to give us insight into what he values and where he places that value.
In the future, we should use the stories from last year and the picks from this year to get a handle on what he might do next year.
I thought the word on him was route running is his strength.
I would have rather liked Byron Jones or a safety.
But there is alot of good players left on the board.
I feel like this is one of those drafts we get to the end and view the entire draft as a good one instead of any one pick blowing us away.
Don’t care about a safety – no one we could draft would be a decent starter this year – rather see what Watkins/Wolff can do this year and if they don’t work out try FA and draft next year.
Byron was my guy – feel i would feel safer waiting for Strong to fall to late 40’s rather than sitting there looking at Corner options at in the same range.
Outside of Quiten Rollins, I rather not use a pick on safety
I don’t know about that. Algohors main thing is that he can be a decent starter, and maybe more.
There are a couple of prospects that a lot of guys are saying can be decent starters.
Im on that boat imo.
Don’t think we should trade up or down. just take best player that fits our scheme. I think we may be best riding this draft out.
I think it is a relative strength in that WR class. Cooper is a polished, NFL route runner who routinely turned college corners inside out. Agholor is slightly smaller, less athletic, but runs better routes than the rest of that class.
Ah I see your point.
I was watching PFFs program on NBCsn.
They were saying he was silky smooth and picked algohor for us. he was a favourite of theirs. They raved about him.
As they were showing the highlights, I could see the silky smoothness in his route running and his double move is nasty.
You could be right. Most definitely. But Im surprised tommy says his route running is a weakness.
Relative strength to weakness is a jump no?
Riley Cooper Im assuming. I thought his claim was his ability to grab jump balls, didn’t know he was known for route running.
Im getting confused on all the different readings.
I think WR depth was screaming at us a bit more loudly. There’s more competition currently at DB than at WR
OL depth is screaming at us the most imo. But I felt like we could have grabbed a WR in the second round and got a better DB as far as relative benefit at each position.
But I didn’t workout Byron jones and Aglohor so I guess they thought he was a better WR.
Im alright with it. I like the silky smooth WR from USC.
I’m guessing they saw WR depth vs OL depth, in terms of guys they really want, to be shallower in the 2nd
Sounds right to me.
Top Players Left According to CBSSports Draft Rankings:
1. Randy Gregory, DE/OLB, Nebraska(16)
2. La’el Collins, G/T, LSU(18)
3. Landon Collins, S, Alabama(25)
4. Eddie Goldman, DT, Florida State(27)
5. Dorial Green-Beckham, WR, Oklahoma(28)
6. Ronald Darby, CB, Florida State(30)
7. Jake Fisher, OT, Oregon(31)
8. Owa Odighazuwa, DE/OLB, UCLA(33)
9. Eli Harold, DE/OLB, Virginia(35)
10. Eric Rowe, CB/S, Utah(38)
11. Jalen Collins, CB, LSU(39)
12. Eric Kendricks, LB, UCLA(40)
13. Jaelen Strong, WR, Arizona State(41)
14. Preston Smith, DE, Mississippi State(42)
15. Maxx Williams, TE, Minnesota(43)
Surprised Clemmings isnt on there…
I think we try for an OL, a OLB/DE, and a DB next.
At least the Eagles didn’t reach for a guy who I still think is going to be a huge bust and won’t even be able to get on to the field his 1st season.
‘Time is a flat circle’ is how I feel about this entire offseason. Despite all of the many signings and trades the Eagles made they ended up almost in exactly the same spot – a team that can contend for the NFC East and if all things break right win 11 games but more likely is a 8-10 win team next year.
Glad that Kelly didn’t give into the Titans ridiculous demands (starting place was three 1st round and possibly more – that isn’t a start of a serious conversation it is a basic f@ck off) but the Eagles are trapped back into the days of Peete/Detmer/Hoying.
Amazes me the similiarities between those first 2 years under Rhodes (at least from a roster standpoint) and this current Eagles’ one except this team probably has a bit more talent albeit with several holes too. Gruden make that offense look capable and Kelly’s scheme will do the same for this one too.
Bradford is far more talented than that combo combined and I also think Kelly is a far better coach than Rhodes. Rhodes wanted to win now with a ton of veterans, the Eagles have a fairly young roster except at OL
Agree about Kelly as a coach. Rhodes just struck me as a guy who was completely in over his head as a head coach and after listening to his ‘ra ra’ locker cliches for a year or two that the players tuned him out too.
Love the pick..although wouldve preferred if we moved back and picked up a couple draft picks, but then theres a good chance agholor would’ve been gone, so no need for the risk. He’s a younger, cheaper, healthier,more physical and versatile maclin will have an impact right away.
Cowboys getting byron jones took away a bit of my high, but its ok..i thought of him as a solid corner but not potentially dynamic..like what i feel what quentin rollins could be at safety..
Now hoping for hundley, rollins, an offensive lineman today..
Yeah I thought we we’re going after Jones and that we’d go after Agholor in the 2nd (if we went after him). Soooooooo….
I obviously have no clue what I’m talking about, but at least we addressed our WR problem. I probably would have gone the opposite way (with us getting Jones), but what do I know.
@GermanEagle
You were right about picking a WR in the 1st. Can we call you GENostradamus?
Thanks. But that prestigious name is reserved for Mr High Percentage.
Or we can just call you Gil Brandt
Persecptage
We finally learned too what it takes for Kelly to draw a line in the sand.
I still wonder though if the Eagles had already flipped Bradford for a No 1 pick and had ‘a bird in hand’ if the Titans would have bit, along with the Eagles No 1 this year too, and their No 1 next year as a starting place.
Can’t flip Bradford without a guarantee….
Some time you have to burn the boats and leave only one direction to move ahead (forward).
I torn on this whole offseason. Hated the Bradford trade in every aspect and thought it was one of the worst deals any franchise in Philly has made the last 10 years.
Gave up a lot for a guy who in the end I think is a marginal upgrade over Foles (with all kinds of injury concerns to boot) and you don’t even have control of him for the next years.
I’m still glad the Eagles didn’t give in for the price with Mariota because if he wasn’t anything other than a Top 5 QB the Eagles were going to be left holding the bag when Kelly left in another year or two.
Scared money doesn’t win.
If you gamble in a casino, you will lose. Odds simply dictate that over the long haul.
Especially in investing. Scared money and investors do really freaking stupid things. People pull out of stocks too much during downturns and vice versa during upswings.
Just take people with a lot of pension obligations.
Lots of obligations increasingly becoming due as more and more Boomers retire and in a ZIRP investment world they are having to make more and more risky investments including hedge funds and other investment vehicles because they are desperate for yield. Nevermind those skylocks take a huge upfront fee, have large continued fees, and on the whole have returned jackshit to thier investors vs peers since ’08.
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Wow shit just got real.
Most boring draft ever. PUKE PUKE PUKE. I wanted fireworks. CommonSenseEagleyankfan wanted a wr and we got a good one. I’m OK with this pick. As TLaw said – good pick. TLaw picks his words carefully and he didn’t use the word great.
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T-Law — “Agholor is a good fit for the Eagles. Jordan Matthews, Riley Cooper and Miles Austin are all big receivers. The Eagles needed someone with good speed and the ability to create big RAC plays.” — isn’t that what Huff was for?
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While I like the pick, I honestly don’t understand it. Unless Cooper is on his way out the door. It’s good we have such a young core at WR I guess.
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My own grade B-.
Jackson/Maclin > Cooper/Matthews/Agholor
19M > 9M
That is the only advantage and but I don’t know how well the Eagles really managed the cap this offseason either. Spent a ton of money too and besides Maxwell at the end of the day are they substantially better off at any one position?
Which position did we really spend on besides CB? and yes we are a ton better at CB and QB right now.
We’ll see about Bradford. I don’t think the Eagles will get a huge upgrade there and even if they do they are going to be forced to pay for next offseason.
I’m hoping for this situation. That means Bradford tore it up, and he may be willing to give a slight discount. But IMO I think QB is the most important piece to a championship.
If the Eagles are forced to pay Bradford it means we have good QB on our hands.
Is that really that terrible?
Not if they have to pay him at the level he is making this year. That’s the rub. The Eagles gave up a lot for a guy they control only for a year. One of several reasons I hated that trade so much.
Nick Foles is going to get 14-15 mill next season if he had a good season for us….
Don’t know that they’re a “ton” better at QB – Bradford certainly has more arm talent than Foles, but watching the tape, he almost never had to deal with the sieve that played in front of Foles in 2014, either. Pocket QBs who suffer injuries, or heck, even just get hit repeatedly, have a tendency of developing happy feet and dropping eyes. Maybe Bradford’s one of the rare few who are lacking basic survival instincts and is fine there; I just don’t think we can say for sure until the games start.
I think they’re a ton better at RB, at least as far as what Chip wants his RBs to do. They should be a ton better at OL, so long as Kelce stays healthy (decent chance) and Johnson plays the whole year (pretty good chance). I think they’re a ton better at CB, as you said, and I think they’re a tone better at ILB. They may be better at OLB, depending on what MSII does in year 2. Same chance at improvement at S, given the unproven talent there with the possibility of improvement.
I agree with you I still hate hate hate that we cut Desean but I agree with letting Maclin walk for 55mil
I’m in the minority, but I was more sad to see Mac go than DJax.
I’m with you there…
To each their own π
I’m not all in on Jackson. I preferred Maclin.
IMO Jackson has elite speed. He can’t block, and he’s not a middle of the field guy. So it seems he runs downfield and if he’s not doing that, then he’s not really in the play. He can’t block, he not jump balling, and he kinda dogs it on running plays.
I love Mac. He doesn’t do anything elite, but he does everything well. He reminds me of the Atlanta Hawks team. Everyone is well rounded, but not a superstar (though that will be their downfall in the playoffs). CK has a bunch of these guys, but in football, that strategy works better when everyone is at that level.
I’m a little sad that you put Cooper, because I think Huff/Matthew/Agholor > Jackson/Maclin long-term.
Huff is a wildcard and I’ll give you that. if he becomes a solid 2, then yes I would agree.
The Eagles do have better overall depth than 2 seasons ago and in Kelly’s system that might be to there advantage.
I’m playing the optimist here. I’m hoping that this is the case. Matthew/Agholor > Jackson/Maclin in that the former works harder in the offseason and camp.
And IMO that is why DJax isn’t here anymore. I do think they wanted to keep Mac.
They did and Reid just went really hard after Maclin. I have real concerns about Maclin’s competitiveness this year too after getting that big contract.
He has a rep (especially from Missouri) where he coasted at times and I wonder if he has the same dynamic element in KC this year.
As for Cooper, I can’t stand watching him play. I think he is a soft player in a lot of aspects and completely out of depth as a 2nd WR. He is a guy who has some value to an NFL WR but as a 4th/5th WR making moderate dollars at best..
I agree about Cooper being soft. Outside of Cary Williams, he pissed me off more than anyone.
That Jackson is ‘not a middle of the field guy’ is totally overblown. In his last year as an Eagle he caught EVERYThing that was thrown his way.
I miss Jaccpot.
To be fair…
https://www.fanduel.com/insider/wp-content/uploads/desean-jackson-taunt.jpg
I think you answered your own question. I think they’ll offer Cooper a chance to take a pay cut and stick as a STs player and if not he’ll be released sometime post-June 1st. They may bring him to TC to cover themselves in case of injuries.
They offered Maclin 10mil a year, now they drafted his replacement
very true. At a lot less money.
Could even be better than him
Yes, and because Maclin left as a FA we’ll finally get one of those mysterious things called supplemental picks…
Byron Maxwell signing will offset Mac leaving.
Edit: Also Demarco Murray / Mathews
Totally right, plus I typed supplemental rather than compensatory; thanks for the correction.
Huff is a drastically different player to Nelson.
Huff has 4.51 speed, he’s not going to blaze by you. He can beat you deep but it’s not because he just smoked you in a foot race. Also his RAC ability is more due to the fact that he acts like a running back in the open field once he has the ball.
Nelson has better speed, he can beat you deep in the same way Maclin could. However his RAC ability is more that of a punt returner. He’s got some wiggle to him
Can someone help me understand? I complained about Huff last year(and got chastised for it on a few occasions). I’ll still complain about Huff, but that won’t get me anywhere. Now we have another Huff.
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2 questions — Where does he fit in on the offense? I’m assuming JM and Huff are starters?
Second questions – is this considered a need pick or a BPA?
Huff and Agholor is nothing a like, but consider the Eagles starting offense is often with 3 WRs, I hope it will be Huff, Agholor and Matthews
It was “best player available that fit the Eagles”
Thanks. How are Huff n Aggi different? Is Aggie more physical? Are both return men? JM outside, Huff inside and Aggie outside?
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I picture Huff/Aggie as two mosquitoes that’ll never go away and just pester the hell out of defenses….
Huff ISNT the same as Maclin, Nelson is a Maclin type
Huff is build like a RB playing WR. Watch his 44 yard catch against the Cowboys. Aggie is pretty much a Reggie Wayne or Jeremy Maclin clone.
I say Huff and Aggie outside and Matthews in the slot, but it can sometimes be changed
This is a need and the best player available. Forget the mock drafts, everyone had Nelson top 20 on the big board… nelson will start on the outside replacing Maclin, but Nelson Huff and Pope can all move around..
Because of the slotting of rookie salaries, it will be challenging to trade for Mariota at this point. Here is what I am hearing will happen: the Titans and Eagles will trade all of their other draft picks, and all of their other players and staffs. Then, both teams will relocate to the other team’s city, both teams will be sold to the other owner for $1, and each team will be renamed.
I am not sure they will have all of the paperwork finalized for the pre-draft shows, so I thought I would give everyone a heads-up.
Pretty happy we didnt draft Randle
Well, he was all over that WR screen…
Nate Allen?
jesus I’ve been watching that video for 30 minutes, it just keeps going, he must have given up over a hundred touchdowns that game!
At first I was not thrilled with your analysis, until you mentioned Reggie Wayne. I will take a future hall of famer at WR. Thanks.
I gave you props earlier. You were right on about a WR in the 1st round. I owe you a beer of your choice next time I’m in NY.
No worries mate. Just give me a shout when you’re in NYC. Would be great to catch up.
@Greg Richards:disqus
So I’m creating a question based on a comment.
Did Howie Roseman overpay Cooper, or was it CK that made that decision?
Chip…. Chip wanted to keep him, the WR coach loves Coop.. Howie gave him what it took to keep Coop from testing his worth on the open market. coop will be gone after this season or he will take a massive paycut
I hope so.
#kkkulture
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you sir are a “Habitual LINE STEPPER” …
Eaglesnation
Enjoy your newest Eagle for the next 4 years, until the Eagles won’t pay him.
Good god man, enjoy the pick. Can’t we atleast until his contract is maybe an issue before go all doom and gloom?
Lol….hasn’t even put a pen to the paper and we’re talking 4 years out. I’m looking forward to him making an impact next year.
Another reason fans should be happy about Agholor is that he is NFL ready… He can step in and play right away, so all the instant gratification whores DONT have to cry all year that we drafted a bust just because the rookie ISNT playing…
“…he isn’t a great route runner. He doesn’t make sharp dynamic cuts…” Think I heard Chip say the exact opposite in an interview after the first round last night…
Yeah that’s crazy talk… His route running is a strength, he isn’t one of these college WRs that caught bubble screens 50% of the time. One of the better route runners, NFL ready WR’s…of course im comparing his route running to other WR prospects, Not NFL WR’s
Well ol or db probably right, maybe a lb, wouldn’t shock me if we have another wr by the days end
This made way more sense than all the rumors about Mariotta and trading away most of the high end talent on the team for a above average athletic QB.
Bradford gets over the injury bug and plugs into a friendly system with a bunch of talent on the rise. Could be a really good team in 2016-2018 period. Still feel Kelly needs one more draft.
Too many flaws in the QB class. I see that Winston is already putting on weight too… very visible since the combine. Marriota… eh… you need a better caliber arm… I just see another guy not as good as Vick.
Was really expecting either Byron Jones or one of the top OL, but I’m on board with Agholor. Now we have a nice young nucleus at WR. Too bad Cowgirls took BJ. Now I can’t cheer for him.
Have the feeling we can really get a steal in the 2nd round. So many good players left, even among the targets we had at 20. Here’s hoping one of these will fall into our lap:
– OL Fisher
– OL Clemmings
– OL Smith
– OL Collins
– OL Ali Marpet
– CB Rowe
– CB Collins
– LB Eric Kendricks (not really a need IMO, but could very well be best available)
All the OL we would have taken there slid anyway so we might still get one and I had Agholor and Jones pretty close so u don’t mind it
OL value is really building up. Fisher or Clemmings in round 2 would be pretty darn fantastic
Only reason Clwmmings is here is probably the fracture, hope its not bad but getting Rowe, Fisher, Collins, Clemmings here would be nice
Given that we “supposedly” have issues with Mychal, we aren’t drafting his smaller and way less athletic brother.
A good to very good pick, although not great. With the depth at WR, CB and OL, I would have went after Bud Dupree, but having just spent or wasted a pick on Marcus Smith, depending on how you feel about next seasons primary OLB backup, I understand not to. I personally leaned more towards Permian, but I can see why Chip and the crew have Agholor higher.
One things for certain, if we get some talent to the offensive line, Sam Bradford has no excuse for if he doesn’t improve compared to every single one of his previous years. Our OL and running game, with targets like Matthews, Agholor, Celek, Ertz and the young gun Huff + veterans Cooper and Miles Austin. Ability to work the middle, ability to stretch the field, ability to create RAC. Bradford should put up a 90+ passer rating, 20+ TDs, around 10 INTs and around 3500 yards.
Get me Clemmings, Fisher, Rowe, Collins or Rollins in round 2.
Bud is who I wanted but once the Saints passed him I knew something was wrong
Improve? Before he got hurt — he was very impressive….
I’ve been through this before, if Sam Bradford had been as impressive as people say, the Rams would have won more games. Nevertheless, now he has a MUCH stronger supporting cast than he ever has had before, which has always been peoples excuse for him. No reason not to have his best season now.
I will give you, those 7 games in 2013 is what I expect. Extend that to a full season, its around 90 passer rating, and lets give him 30 TDs with 10 INTs. Even considering how ridiculous it is to say, lets look at these fewer than half a season games from 2 years ago(kinda like making Nick Foles a franchise QB after HIS amazing games in 2013), give me that production and actually winning games, i’d be on board with extending him.
Main point being, I expect to see the QB who was worth giving up a 2nd round pick and Nick Foles. I want to see the player that was worth selecting #1 overall.
This is fair. We all want to see the best version of Bradford, while having a season comparable to Foles.
I’m hoping for a Montana-type season that ends in a superbowl.
Im not saying I expect a HoF season, i’m saying dont give me this bullshit about Bradford being a very good prospect or an exiting young QB. Thats done, fuck the potential, I want result. Bradford is 27 years old and a 5 year veteran, potential isn’t enough anymore. Its time to do or dont.
Great OL, Great running game, very good TEs and a lot of talent at WR. Perform or his time in the NFL is done, whether he gets injured or just blows.
If he stays healthy he will be better then he has ever been just like every other player to play in chips offense
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Do you know what Bradford can do in a 1 read
Offense? kid should be surgical in this offense if he can avoid surgeries…
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Bradford is the most talent QB chip ever worked wifh
those 7 games are the floor (imho) as he should thrive is this offense. As you stated, “better supporting cast” — that include oline, coaches, wr’s and rb’s. This supporting cast is head over heels what they had…
Won more games? Rams had the worst Oline and supporting cat while he was there. Can you name a single skill player he had outside of Brian Quick and Steven Jackson?
What I expect to see is the return of the top rushing attack in the NFL. At that point, Bradford should be putting up Foles13-like numbers or something in that neighborhood.
I agree, the best thing you can say about Sam in his healthy days is he wasn’t the problem. It wasn’t an impossible situation either, they had a running game. He won’t be a top 5 QB (10?), but with Chip’s help he can probably keep this offense a top offense in the league. From there it’s just a matter of getting this defense into a top unit.
I dunno… would have gone OL… kid doesn’t look sudden. He is fast but change of direction isn’t there. Does some nice stuff though. Much higher on Matthews.
Plenty of quality OL left
I should just shut up. Really didn’t pay attention to college ball or scout. Just figure if you can get a good future ORT or really good guard you do it. but if it’s a deep draft, cool.
No, share you opinions. I may have gone OL first too but there are several left so I’ll be tuning in tonight for sure.
No worries…we could have easily gone the other way, OL round 1, and WR in round 2… Wouldn’t have been a bad idea. Drafting OL is ALWAYS a good idea, but we do still have some nice opportunities to improve our OL so I wouldn’t worry just yet
My biggest surprise of the evening was Titans taking MM. They look to be a country mile from respectability, and they’ve invested in a player that probably won’t see playing time before Christmas. They have every incentive to play him before he’s ready, and probably will. If he’s as solid as Chip believes, he may ascend despite his circumstances, but his career could plateau just as easily.
Agholor is one of the most NFL ready WR in the draft… I’m sure it won’t take him long to earn snaps on offense , especially on a team with Coop and Miles Austin
He’s talking about Mariota not Agholar
Lol mariota is starting in September according to whiz.. They are intent on ruining him lol… Jameis v mariota week 1 is awesome
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But yeah my biggest surprise also was the Titans taking MM. I did not believe they wanted it.. Allegedly Andy Reid helped talk them into it lol
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Jim Wyatt had reported that they were trying to hide their commitment to Mettemberger til after the draft.. Guess that goes out the window
Heard a few times it was an ownership pick, wanted a shiny new QB to add value for a future franchise sale.
Curious to see if they can eventually extend him or chip kelly tells him “don’t sign any extensions, I’ll see you in free agency if I can’t build up bradford to flip to spring you sooner”
I am wondering what happened to the Bears/Eagles talks.
Brahahahaahhahahahahahahah
Told you!!!!
Media is a bitch!!!!
Barkley Tweeted “philly you are gonna love this guy”..
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Huff better quit all his hobbies because pope and Agholor will make him look bad in terms of work ethic. Those two should really feed off each other’s drive and work ethic and push each other to improve. Neither Agholor or Pope will let the other out work him, hopefully Huff joins in and te healthy, United conpetition…
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Excited for the weapons we are putting around 2015 comeback player of the year Sam Bradford… Time to solidify his OL depth..
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Wojldnt mind drafting:
Eli Harold
Fisher, Grasu, Darryl Williams, Ali
Need a DB with CB and Safety experience
Bryce Petty
TE Jesse James if he lasts til the 4th
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I’d take Lael Collins all day outside of round 1
I think all 3 of our young WR are gonna push each other to be as great as they can be. I see Huff as a Steve Smith type as in being Ultra competitive and Ultra FEISTY!!!
I don’t disagree. I like Huff, he just isn’t as known for the insane work ethic as pope …. But in sure he puts in the work or chip would never love him this much
still you don’t get as jacked as Huff by laying around all day. He has the drive, the work ethic, the c(C)hip on his shoulder. The real question is if he is humble enough to hit the film room and work on all the little things to get better.
You don’t become one of chips favorites without character, intelligence and work ethic… I wouldn’t worry, especially with workhorses ahead of him that will leave him in the dust if he doesn’t match their work ethic.. It’s like running while being chased by two pitbulls… Very inspiring lol
I think with Mathews and Agholor busting their ass, it is gonna stir the competitive juices in Huff where he won’t let himself be dusted.
Agreed it will be like two pitbuls chasing after him…….inspiring!
having three young talented wide receivers that are “chip guys” who will push each other and themselves to get better means chip as head coach can for the next five years focus on coaching other position groups more, knowing his wide receivers, like the “A” students in a class working together in a small group, are pretty self sufficient. I can imagine that the wide receiver group, because of the wr diva thing, usually takes up more of the attention of any position group of a head coach other than QB.
i’m glad we got a good player but what a boring draft night
Awesome draft night… Boring = solid draft… Fuck the glitz and glamour, I’m good with the substance… We got better last night, better then all the rumors about making our team worse on draft night… Thank god for boring
Sherf is a good pick for the skins, but we got lucky that they were dumb enough to pass on Leonard Williams because they are happy with old hatcher and RGF… Sherf is a good pick, but no big deal because had the skins not taken him, good chance we would have to deal with him on the Giants anyway..
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There are at least 20 very nice players left, look forward to a solid weekend of drafting
Its not that Scherrf in itself was a bad pick but the fact that they passed Williams for him, none of the division picks scared me (thank God) and that includes Dallas
They took a T who a lot of people think can’t play T and should be at G. I’m fine with that π
I’ll never discredit anyone from investing into their OL or DL, simple because I learned from Andy Reid how important than could be.
However, drafting a OG in the top 5. Thats gotta be one hell of a player. Drafting a RT in the top 5 with little expectation to about moving him to LT, thats risky too. Doing it while passing over a prospect like Leonard Williams. Not sure about that move.
Same arguments in regards to the Giants. I love building up your lines, but an OG or a RT in the top 10. Yikes, thats gotta be a dominant player.
Byron Jones, shit I really, really liked him. He looks like he can become an amazing CB. Sadly, a good pick by Dallas. Dammit Jerruh, you know you wanted Bryce Petty in the 1st and should have traded up just to make sure you got him.
Oh I believe in the importance of the trenches as well. Like you said, value isn’t there. Both guys project better as G’s…and as a G, aren’t worth a Top 10 pick.
100% agree.
RT is more and more important, but Im not Scherff ever becomes a great RT. He would become a great OG, but the value isnt there for me
Skins passing on Williams made my day
All the division picks scared me.
Flowers is pretty blah.
85% he’s Phil Loadholt
15% he Bryant Mckinney
I had a tee hee moment when Flowers and Gurley we picked back to back.
Landon Collins didn’t even go in the first round lol
yea man how is that possible, isn’t he the best safety in this draft and had been mocked to the Eagles so much?..Love it that people can finally give up that pipe dream
Maybe we should trade our first rounder next year to get him at the beginning of round 2 π
Can we leave our future picks out of this
You really think I would even give a 5th rounder for friggin Landon Collins? Get real
No I’m just saying that because you.mentioned trading our first rounder next year for a second this year couple times
Relax, we don’t even have a second round pick next year, how the hell can we possibly give up our 1st? Sarcasm
did Kiper get any picks correct? Can they replace this guy and his hair next year..
I got a lot correct for a change, probably cuz of the lack of trades
As much as some of us think this pick is meh(i do too), I think it’s important to make sure you get a good player in the first. We can save projections and potential for later. We got a good safe player we know will do relatively well. Maybe we are just a bit greedy we didn’t get any more picks because of it.
We got better last night…. That’s really all that matters
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Interesting that chip only views Maclin as an outside guys but think Agholor is an inside and outside guy…expecting our 3 young WRs to move around and line up all over the place
Perhaps the ACL injuries leaches more quickness than we thought on top of the fact Maclin was already less shifty than Agholor.
Maclin is not scrappy enough to be an inside guy. But I think he’s faster than Agholor, practically speaking, combine 40 time notwithstanding. Maclin if I remember right was a little hobbled at his combine and would have been a 4.3 guy.
I would really enjoy a big ol receiver we can work with in later rounds a la Devante Davis. However if Kenny Bell is an option in 3/4 Chips gotta pull the trigger.
Lol I’d take Jalen strong if he falls to us in round 2 or Coates if he falls to us in round 3… Mowr WyDe Receeeverz!!!
If Strong is there in round 2 Id to it, Austin wouldn’t be on the damn roster π
And Cooper will put his house on the market lol
If Strong is there in round 2 at our pick I’m going to run through a field naked if the Eagles select him.
You know I love Bell, but with Agholor, Bell’s skillset becomes a bit redundant.
I won’t listen to your reason, my unflinching fandom craves Bell to be an Eagle.
Wonder how the first round would have changed If Lael Collins didn’t have the worst luck I have ever seen?
think the girlfriend had worse luck :/ kinda like saying OJ or Hernandez had bad luck (assuming Collins was associated with the death- if he wasn’t associated yeah, then bad luck- I agree )
Well I seriously doubt he had association personally which is why I said its bad luck for him
Iif the kid had nothing to do with it he is Also a victim after working his entire life for last night.. Of course the woman Is the real tragedy but, that doesn’t mean Collins can’t also be a victim, those two things aren’t mutually exclusive… But thanks for contributing to the football debate… Appreciate it.. Without your post I would have tbought that the woman got lucky. Thanks for setting me straight
Do not want to see DGB start to look like Plazico Burress to the Giants and them decide to pair him with ODB… Please NO!!
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Saints and Seahawks also rumored to want DGB… Rich get richer
andy might take him.. he doesnt care about baggage, players love playing for him.. Then they have 2 real nice additions at WR this off-season and probably get a few WR TDs this season..
Taking DGB and Marcus Peters with his first two picks would be the equivalent of renting a billboard outside the NovaCare and posting a “Screw you and your Culture Crap” sign.
Peters will be nice.. and DGB would be a stud for Smith.. go from bowe and whoever to Maclin and DGB.. huge!
Give Alex a cabal of stud WR’s, and he still won’t throw a pass further than 10 yards. I think his assimilated conservatism, fear of throwing a pick is a double edged sword. History looks like it’s repeating itself for AR in KC. The addition of Peters makes a stingy defense that much better, but the offense-oriented HC with a world-class RB and a “safe” QB will have trouble outscoring his opponents.
touche’ well stated
And if they both stay out of trouble that’s 2 top 20 guys in the draft
Do not think that Kendricks, Boykin and/or Mathis are safe still.
It wouldn’t surprise me if the Eagles use one of the above to trade up in the coming rounds.
They are obviously not in their long-term plans so it makes sense to get something in return now.
We aren’t exactly deep at ILB, so Kendricks to draft OL sounds like Whack-a-Mole, whereas Mathis for OL feels like running in place. I buy your suspicions, but other than shipping Boykin for Rollins or Rowe, I am not up for this.
I’m not necessarily a fan of this, but chip is seemingly not a fan of his.
I just think that a guy like Stephone Anthony ticks more [chipowitz] boxes than Mychal.
Anthony was drafted by the Saints at 30….not an option
Too bad. I passed out at 11pm last night. lol
I would have really liked him too. Find it hilarious that people think we are going for Mycal’s smaller less athletic brother.
I’d be okay with trading Mk to draft SA – not because I think SA is better, but like you, I’d like to get some value for a very good player, but SA is gone. So now I don’t want to lose MK unless a lopsided offer comes our way.
I think next pick is an offensive lineman. don’t know the names or players well enough. Agree with GE that a tradeup would make sense – For example Kendicks, a 6th and our 2nd to move up high in the 2nd round. Also could trade a player for a 2016 pick to fill in the gap left by the Bradford trade.
I am hoping we go OL soon. I am a little concerned that all of the good value in the second will be gone and we will put it off to the next round, then repeat the process next round. Kinda like what happened last year.
http://www.mockdraftable.com/player_embed/4778/selected/graph/
Its actually really interesting, because we’re so used to seeing Eagles targets and players with absolutely ridiculous spider charts because of our athletic bias. One more reason behind the statement: Nobody knows what Chip Kelly truly wants.
Agholor is a coach’s pick if there ever was one. Every analyst who is or was once a coach seems to love the pick.
Ian Rapoport insisting that Kelly dangled 2 firsts, a third, Cox, Bradford, Kendricks, Boykins to Titans to get to 2…and Kelly insisting that no players were ever offered. I will take Kelly’s word, if for no other reason than it is the horse’s mouth, and Rapoport is trusting somebody else’s info. I cannot believe that Kelly would make that offer and I really cannot believe that ANYBODY would not take that deal.
Schefter said that the Titans were looking for a major haul and even our first and two future firsts plus a second would not have been enough.
Now that I believe, and that does not contradict Kelly’s version.
Agreed completely
for what it’s worth Peter King is reporting that was not the offer
I believe that Kelly is telling the truth.
Heres my theory. Some Titans Guy heres the TItans GM talking on the phone and feels Chip Kelly “offered” those things.
But if Chip didn’t offer it, doesn’t mean it wasn’t a vast part of the discussion.
it might have been stated.
Call me gullible I guess, I think Chips telling the truth.
What would all that salary (esp. Bradford) have done to Tenn.’s cap? Would it even have been possible? (Not that I believe it)
It’s possible Chip is denying it so that the players mentioned are not upset. On the flip side it’s possible the Titans over exaggerated the compensation the Eagles offered to drive up other offers from other teams.
Believe it or not, I trust Peter King more than Rapoport. Ian got played by a Titans source as the Titans tried to drive up the price for the pick
You know there’s going to be a run on O line guys tonight probably just before we get to our pick.
Another “Dagger in the heart?”
Didn’t that happen? Felt like 8 OL were taken in the 1st
Lol probably. Still holding out for Clemmings to drop.
Here’s Dan Kadar’s mock of the 2nd round.
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/5/1/8527695/2015-nfl-mock-draft-second-round
Honesetly i think Howie would have done a little better, i really think we should have traded back, taken a guard then a WR. anyone see us trading up today?
Who said that the Eagles didn’t try to move back? It always takes two to tango.
Exactly, they took almost their entire allotted time
That’s easy to say, but there were 2 small trades in the whole first round maybe teams were fine where they were picking for the most part
One thing to take from the Kelly metrics: We don’t get to know how much Kelly loves a prospect until he either gets him or somebody else does. Howie or you or me may have had no problem dropping back and getting another WR if NA had been taken. Kelly may have viewed that as unacceptable because he really loves this kid. The way Kelly has gushed makes me believe that this was his plan, and he would have moved up to get him, if necessary.
Not saying Howie would have made the same pick but he was in the war room advising Kelly.
If we continue to just make solid picks like last night and don’t trade away any of our young talent, I’m going to get pumped for next season..
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Can’t wait to see how nasty Bradford can be in a one read option that schemes guys open behind a nasty run game
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Bradford is probably the most talented thrower Chip has ever worked with, and everyine reaches a higher level in chips offense, don’t exoect it to be any different for Sam… 2915 comeback player of the year, it’s coming….!!!
YES!
You think Sam is going to play another 900 years? Even Foles didn’t make it that long
I think sam needs to play well enough while Mariota struggles to get wisenhunt give up on mariota and try to save his job with talented Bradford who chip rejuvenated … Or until mariota becomes a free agent..
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I’m sure chip will tell him, hang in their kid, if I can’t spring you from the Titans, don’t sign any extensions and I’ll see u in free agency π
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Wouldn’t mind drafting Bryce Petty to learn behind San
By the way can we please all agree that Gil Brandt should be called our Mr. High Percentage.
Gil brandt = Mr. HP/Mr High P
I concur.
I’ve never seen something like that!
well gee! thanks Gman!
But If he didn’t have insider information. That was a hell of a feat. Ike Reese had been pulling for “The Nigerian Silk”/”Nija Silk” lol idk (Nelson A.), and that makes me a little sour, but its incredible really!
Can we add silver to the eagles uniform! I mean, those uniforms are so dry! Green, black and Silver is the way to go.
What did he do to get the love?
His sealed envelope from a couple months ago called the Agholor pick
was that after Maclin left? or before?
After. It was beginning of March I think
that’s my recollection
interesting call by Brandt. would like to know what information led him to it.
That is, I hope it was more elaborate than Agholor looks a lot like Maclin.
I honestly don’t remember. I think after.
Thanx.
You mean the fake thing where its clearly not the same person who wrote on the envelope and the pick?
Doesn’t look fake to me…
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/5/1/8528205/2015-nfl-draft-gil-brandt-eagles-nelson-agholor-pick-illuminati
Its still OL, S, or WR. Maybe a OLB. I would imagine the next pick is a safety.
Only if quintin Rollins or Rowe are available. He won’t draft any other safeties in round 2. OL, Eli Harold OLB, Bryce Petty, Rowe/Rollins
Great point!
How do you think Sam will respond if we get Petty in the Second round?
I have no knowledge of Eli Harold OLB.
I can say, I already think his name is weird for my incredibly weird name/number preference.
But imam look him up.
Doubt SAM would care, sanchez is already behind him and I assume we will see a bradford extension soon.. Maybe not a long extension, but I’d be surprised if he went into the season on a 1yr deal..
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There are some real nice players left
Oklohoma NT Jordan PHillips is my fav player left, but he won’t last TIL us
Eli Harold and Gregory are the top OLBs
Fisher, Grasu, Clemmings, Marpet, Daryl Williams beat OL left
Strong, DGB, Devin smith, Coates, Lockett best WR left
Rowe/Rollins,best CB/S
Jalen Collins best cb Talemt left
Maxx williams the TE
Denz Perryman, Kendricks the ILBs..
petty over Hundley for me at QB.. Don’t like hundley at all
Oh man! I would love to upgrade NT. I only really care for Beau Allen at this point. B. Logan is pretty solid.
Like L. McCoy, I like him and what hes done, but Id like to see a guy like V. Wilfork in there. In terms of type of player. Big. basically.
Logan is awesome.. We don’t need a NT, but because Logan can slide over and play DE, I would take a quality NT if he were the best available
I think id like Logan a lot better if he played DE. Good stuff!
Phillips is your best 0-tech and Eddie Goldman looks like more of a 1-tech.
I’d be happy with Rollins or Rowe.
I’d prefer Rowe but I’m fine with either
Dan Kadar’s “Best Available” list
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2015/4/30/8526995/2015-nfl-draft-best-players-available-round-two-three
Looked at it, saw Rowe ranked really low, scoffed, then exited out of webpage.
FWIW
Just as I thought.
Are these guys sending this “information” getting paid?
In actual news, Freddie Gray’s death was ruled a homicide
good,the East coast can’t burn down until we win our superbowl
nice, would have been a riot situation otherwise. glad we can focus on football!
in the spirit of the continual effort of the unification and improvement of my people, and all people around the globe.
*Moment of silence
Its a terrible thing.
My concern about the Agholor pick is that Mel Kiper likes it.
Now that either means the kiss of death.
Or Kiper’s the blind squirrel who’s found a chestnut.
All the old school guys seem to like the pick. It’s less of an “upside” projection, the guy already looks like he knows how to play. Looks like a pro already, other than he needs to get physically stronger.
This is what I’m a bit excited about. Didn’t Maclin come into the league under 200 lbs and work his way up to 200? It would be nice if Agholor could work his way up to 210. With his physicality, that’s a lot of mass to punish cbs.
I’d love for the Eagles to publish their measurement of players wrists, knees, and ankles.
Maybe the Combine will start recording that info.
All of which leads to Agholor’s bone-size/new-weight potential
That would be wild. Chip might start the changing of it all, who knows. I’m glad I’m in the start/middle of an age where there is so much more information about football the there was several years ago. Such a great learning opportunity.
True on the one hand.
On the other, some of the mystery’s gone.
Same across all societal institutions
Mystery as far as? I like to think there is still some mystery because I limit the amount of media I obtain. I do not have Twitter and this is about the only football site I follow.
Once upon a time (as those NFLN “Caught in the Draft” shows explained), the drafts were held mid-week without any coverage and no publicized scouting aspects.
You hardly knew when the draft would take place. You didn’t know who the teams liked or seemed to like. Draft-day trades received almost no coverage.
If you were lucky, the 1st rd picks showed up in the local newspaper.
And then year after year, it seemed that teams like the Cowboys, Raiders, Vikings, Rams, and Colts kept getting good players . . . but the Eagles’ early picks usually didn’t pan out.
All a mystery.
And it’s great that he’s a willing blocker, but he needs more strength to be actually effective doing it.
This might be more important with this team than the previous couple of years because it seems like we’re going to be even more of a running team than we were before.
The one thing that the Eagles can hang their hat on is two things: we can teach you how to tackle better and we can teach you how to block better.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Kiper’s not even that good.
I’m ok with him continuing to be a thing if only because Caliendo’s impressions are getting better.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12781693&ex_cid=SportsnationTW
Unless it is digital. Or military.
When’s that?!
Sadly, it is also wrong the other 1,438 minutes a day.
Bingo . . . Mel Kiper strikes
AC – Maybe this will help.
Kempski: “He (Agholor) is a polished route runner with great hands and value on special teams as a punt returner.”
OD:
My comment was only tongue in cheek.
It’s a solid choice.
My analogy would be “under promise, over deliver.”
Agholor offers that kind of promise.
A very unlikely scenario–Maybe the Eagles offered so much to keep raising the price beyond what other teams could match, knowing full well they would never actually make the trade.
*hindsight bias is totally involved here.
Belichick . . .
Catching up on something else with you.
Yes, Citizens United is a terrible ruling. Worst at the moment (IMO, obviously).
What may make it the worst ruling, for one thing, is that the Court was interpreting the 1st Amendment — so Congress can’t do anything to undo it legislatively.
Hobby Lobby, at least, is a statutory ruling that a later Congress can repair.
Presently, campaign finance is exactly as it was when McKinley was elected president in 1896. Think Gilded Age . . . not particularly good for the 99 percent.
Bad enough that the Koch brothers, by themselves, can spend $1 billion dollars on a single candidate. But for corporations to have that same right?
And all of these contributions can be done through dark money.
The rebuttal that unions can do the same things as corporations reminds me of that clip you tweeted of UCLA’s Jared Jack tackling some poor student trying to catch a football.
But think of all the economic benefits of this $$ being put into the system, it’s a boon for canvassers, digital marketing firms, sign makers, etc.
What if that money’s spent on something else . . .
like employees’ wages/salaries?
step 1: allow corporations to buy politicians for a few million dollars so they get billions in tax breaks. step 2: profit?
sad but an historically consistent truth
RE: Hobby Lobby – I think it’s worse from a legal standpoint because there’s simply no rational way you can argue that a fictitious person has religion, with the possible caveat of one that lists its defining purpose as religious. The fact that shareholders have religion is of no moment: the whole point of incorporation is to create a legally distinct person from shareholders. Hobby Lobby blurs that line in ways that can’t be described in any manner as deductive or even inductive reasoning. It’s purely partisan policy making gussied up in fancy language.
With CU, there’s logic and deductive reasoning to follow. I just disagree with the premise about what the 1st amendment means. But then again, I’m used to that, because I think the 4th amendment means more than the toilet paper it has been treated like over the last 30 years.
Can we have an all lawyers blog? I’m learning so much
Bill:
If you apply the 4th Amendment as written, you’re just making it too hard for the government to gather all the evidence they want to investigate and prosecute people.
Simple math.
I knew I liked you. π
Bernie Sanders will solve everything.
Not only are the unions not prepared to go toe to toe with the modern finance powerhouses, but the first thing republicans did following citizens united was to aggressively bust unions.
Scott Wright over at Draft Countdown had us with Agholor in the first. He has Rowe and Greene as our picks today
So who would your guys dream 2nd/3rd picks be tonight? I’m going with Clemmings/ Sambrailo and Geathers/ Mauldin.
Rollins
Conley
Ain’t gonna happen but I like Jordan Phillips and La’el Collins
Rowe
Clemmings/La’el Collins/Grasu
Rd 2 – Eric Rowe
Rd 3 – Nate Orchard
Orchard is a 4-3 DE only imo. Not enough athleticism to play OLB.
If we go Eric Rowe in the 2nd, I would love if Marpet dropped or even reach a round on a OL the Eagles like
Im nervous about our ability to get an OL that we like in this draft, i’m really surprised they thought replacing MAC was a bigger priority than replacing Herremans, but i guess you can’t reach for need.
I really doubt they went Agholor to fill a need. Agholor fits every catagory in their 3 step program (yes he isnt a height/weight specimen, but Agholor does fit in the frame work highly successful WRs)
i 100% think he’s a CK guy, but i’m sure there are some OL that fit that mold too – just wonder why the priority. for WR. No real qualms with the pick aside from Mariota or trade back and get some more picks let down.
It sounds like they like Barbre. I think they still like Tobin too despite his struggles last year. He was playing on a messed up ankle. DB Round 2, OL Rd 3 or 4
Mancz!!!! Dance to Mancz my man.
Or is it, “Mancz with me”?
Hi oh! Since we’re doing possible nicknames, perhaps, the Praying Mancztis?
Rowe/Sammie boy
Woah!!!!! Someone else on the Coates train? Careful that will get you bludgeoned around here!
GE’s favourite players for the Eagles [non-Mariota version] – 2nd round edition
[Uptrade Option]
1. T.J. Clemmings, OT/OG, Pitt
2. Jake Fisher, OT/OG, Oregon
[Stay Put Option]
3. Eric Rowe, CB/S, Utah
4. Quinten Rollins, CB/S, Miami Ohio
5. Owamagbe Odighizuwa, Edge Rusher, UCLA
6. Ali Marpet, OG/C, Hobart
7. Jaelen Strong, WR, Arizona State
8. Danielle Hunter, OLB, LSU
9. Benardrick McKinney, ILB/OLB, Mississippi
Wild Card Option
10. Randy Gregory, OLB, Nebraska
11. La’el Collins, OT/OG, LSU
Trades
– Eagles trade Mychal Kendricks to Packers for #62 [round 2]
– Eagles trade Brandon Boykin and Evan Mathis to Miami for #114 [round 4]
Like it. I’d prefer to stay put and get Rowe, and then take a gamble and hope for a OL to fall. Possibly trade up for a OL.
Hunter in the 2nd round? An abomination.
Why? Because he’s more of a project and his lack of production last year?
Yeah. He looks the part, but he hasn’t produced on the field. I wouldn’t want to gamble on him in the 3rd, but I might take a shot in the 4th. I like all of your other favorites for the 2nd though.
The real plan: take every player the titans ever loved, the revenge board, burn their draft board to the ground!
Two Pro Bowl player for a 4th….jeez. We’d be getting fleeced
Since when is Boykin a Pro Bowler?! Also you won’t get much for a 35-year old Guard who is set to earn $5m this season..
My bad. I thought he ended up going in 2013 (and if he wasn’t a Pro Bowler, he should have been).
7 more hours? … Crap.
The Saturday-Sunday Draft-a-thon is still much better than this drip-drip-drip-a-pick format.
Oh, and are there enough commercials for you?
but the advertisers ACV, won’t somebody think of the poor advertisers..
Maybe if the adds included some new, Super Bowl-quality material I wouldn’t be so frustrated.
Instead, we get recycled adds that go on, and on, and on.
the wait is agonizing. Its like Christmas morning comes then your parents telling you, that your big present wont arrive til New years.
And more often than not its a sweater π
The last couple years have been agonizing. The NFL Draft could be so much more. Gooddell has really destroyed the experience for fans.
why not split the 1st Rd into a 3-day affair, right?
and then 2 days for Rds 2 and 3.
and 2 more days for Rds 4-7.
MORE IS BETTER . . . per Goodell
I said this last night, but the NFL is totally missing the mark from a brand perspective.
Gooddell is not reacting to the twitter age very well. The solution isn’t to draw out the draft and have more commercials, it’s to streamline it and have no commercials.
Get someone to sponsor it.
Make it fast and furious so it’s more fun.
This drawn out affair just pulls apart the foundation of the draft and lets all the leaks and noise from twitter fill the gaps. He’s driving away viewers with this format.
It’s dumb and short-sighted.
I saw your comment last night.
Great point.
But the economic see-saw hasn’t tilted out way enough.
Not until people turn off their television will this horror be fixed.
And, to your point, Day 3 is so enjoyable precisely because teams must move fast.
It’d be more fun if they let teams pick 30 names and put them into 30 goldfish bowls. Then send a retired player for each team up to the grid of bowls and hand him a basket of ping pong balls and let him keep throwing until one goes in… oh and you can let the team put 5 of the picks into bowls that have a red ring around the top indicating that player is more desired.
Now that would be television magic!
You could even allow all 32 teams to start tossing at about the same time… maybe 1 min head start for the 1st “pick” then the 2nd guy can start tossing balls and so on… so if you have a great ping pong ball tosser you could turn in your pick before the Bucs.
That’s a fantastic idea.
Certainly puts the phrase “getting lucky with your picks” in a whole new light.
Envisioning Vick, Montana, and Barry Sanders feverishly tossing ping pong balls and taunting eachother…. oh my
This is an idea whose time has come!
The way I’d do the draft. Teams make all their picks in complete secret, don’t inform the players, and the NFL promises massive fines for leaks. Then they televise the draft in reverse order starting with Mr. Irrelevant.
That would also be more fun than the current method!
They (NFL) measure the chatter that this agonizingly slow format generates – this blog, for example – and they see $$$. Goodell got booed every time he approached the mike and the owners are fine with an engaged and growing audience. As long as enough of us are paying attention and paying cable fees, and paying accessories costs the NFL will continue to use the media to drive the engine that fills its vault, and it will seek to devise more ways to turn anticipation into bundles of money.
all true.
agree in full.
only the fans can change the format by voting with their eyes
I’m surprised they didnt have Alex Carter in for a visit. Seems like he could be a trade back option.
Usually guys you bring in for visits you have some questions about, medical or character. They might have no questions about Carter. They also could have had a private workout with him offsite, which doesn’t have to be reported to the league.
Is Chip close with David Shaw?
They talk nice about each other, whether they’re actually friends or not I don’t know. However, we’re 2/2 so far in Chip Kelly drafts taking a Stanford player.
Yea he definitely seems to screem the #culture label. Plus is super talented. I’d be happy with him.
Well Stanford does have a lot of things similar to what Kelly values, including the strength program and the culture and added bonus is Stanford plays a 3-4 2 gap defense and a run heavy offense.
Agholor came in for a visit, yes?
Yes, perhaps for a physical. There is a stronger correlation under Kelly between bringing in guys for visits and drafting them, but it’s not necessary in every case.
they brought in a ton of guys that didn’t have medical or character questions.
Nelson is going to be great in this offense, so glad it’s over and we have a player and not a projected pick.
and nice job helping foles by getting gurley. go rams see you in the nfc championship game and you lose.
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4. Bucs were hoping there’d still be an OT available at 34th. TJ Clemmings, Jake Fisher, Donovan Smith are all on the board. They’ll go OT.
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Please let em take Smith.
I like the report that Ried told Wis to take the QB not the picks.
way to go big red
New QB = Job Security (for a coach with a mediocre track record)
Reid still bleeds green. π
Reid should have taken the picks.
So you are saying he should have taken the Picks and not gotten McNabb?
Yes.
I’m not saying McNabb was horrible, but in the pantheon of NFL QBs he was no Tony Romo. (Before you rush to object as an Eagles fan conditioned to think McNabb was better than he really was, check out both of their stats – it’s not really even close)
Would you trade an entire draft for Tony Romo?
I have been researching this lately. McNabb was the 14th best QB since 1991, according to DVOA. Romo was the 9th best. Either one was easily worth the 2nd pick of the draft–actually, would easily be worth multiple 1st round picks.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ratings/2013/fo-10th-anniversary-best-quarterbacks
He led us to a SB which I’m pretty sure Romo has not done with more talented teams.
Reid: The Eagles want Mariota? Hold on, imma make a phone call…
Seems like a nice, draft-day fairytale.
Reid just advised them to do as he did when he took McNabb with the 2nd pick. If you think he’s a franchise QB, take him, don’t trade him.
I think they need to release Tebow so that Eagleor can get his number 15
Isn’t 15 retired? Van Buren’s number
Tebow is 11?
Ahh, thanks didnt know that
The first rule of Chip club: no one knows what the hell happens in Chip club.
Sounds like a gross subway sub
Yeah but it is rumored to come with a ring
As long as you can poop it out!
Dunno, those SB rings are pretty big…
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Ha!
I might be in minority here but wouldn’t mind if we can use Boykin to trade up to get fisher. I like Boykin but it’s obvious he isn’t going to stay and we have Carroll and Thurmond as adequate slot replacements plus his play dropped off last year.
So Agholor is just in shock here? Seems like he would be a bit more excited.
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/videos/videos/Agholor_Gets_The_Call_From_The_Eagles/f2e602ec-d3b4-4f37-ae79-12ddf1944e55
He probably knows that he could be traded at any time and while he puts up gaudy stats he probably wont get paid here.
Thats deep, bro.
1 – he has to do very well. 2 – JM and Huff are ahead of him 3 – if he passes those 2 — step 3 would be to not ask for the moon. Way to early for him to even think along those lines…
Some people don’t jump in the air and do all the crazy antics. I feel this is how I would act when I got the call.
so the defense is still intact. I guess those were all rumors about including them as it sounds like(according to reports) it was all draft picks…
Always interesting being an Eagles fans with Chip at the helm. You can pretty consistently look at the generally thought to be best 5 or so players available, narrow it down to 2 or 3 that fit nicely with us and the name that follows isn’t any of those. I could have sworn we were going to pick Dupree or Jones or one of the remaining top O-linemen. Dupree seemed like everything we were looking for.
That being said, we didn’t quite have the cumulative talent at WR that I wanted, and theoretically with Matthews, Huff, and Agholor we might be set for a while (I h a t e d the Huff pick last year, I’m actually really high on Huff now, made a mistake with a lot of his chances last year but if he can fix those, he can be a monster).
Definitely Satisfied with the pick. If we used the rest of our picks on O-line I’d be happy π
Have you read the write-up at pe.com that Chris McPherson did on MSII? Smith said he knows he’s on the clock, and that he knows if he doesn’t produce he’ll be gone. First round for OLB other than Fowler may have not been on their board.
Yeah, saw Smith said he lost his confidence last year and everything. I haven’t given up on him yet, but still can never use enough pass rushers. Beyond this year, Graham and Barwin have both hit their peak, always good to bring in young talent once your starters are there. Even if Smith does work out, there’s not really anyone compelling after him. It’s not a must-address thing right now, we can always take a look next year.
PFT’s second round mock has us taking a tight end
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/01/pfts-2015-second-round-mock-draft/
Eww, no Eric Rowe…exit browser.
after thinking on it, i wouldn’t mind if we got williams here:
1. excellent value (who cares, really) but
2. him and ertz on the field together would create some serious heartburn for DCs
3. Maxxxxxx
Meh, I feel like we were saying the same thing about Celek and Ertz on the field together. Problem is that the whole 2 TE sets just dont happen much at all.
a big part of not seeing it more was ertz’ blocking. assuming he gets better at it, we could see more of that package. i’m not hoping for maxxxxxxxxx, but i wouldn’t be bummed. anyway, if they picked him up i’d take it as a sign that chip has more multi TE sets planned
PFT doesn’t usually do well with their mocks, but that wouldn’t surprise me.
That’s plain stupid
Maybe Ertz was a Roseman selection.
The thing I really like about Agholor is that he still has room to grow. Once Chip gets him on the height smoothies he could easily be 6’2″ by the season opener.
Smoothies only help the length of the third leg, not legs number 1 or 2.
Guy is 22 years old…
I am pretty sure it was meant in jest.
Either that, or Cafone ha bought in fully to SportsScience.
I think Anders is joking about his back and forth with a certain other commenter from a day or two ago.
That means he’s at peak strength!
I think, given his background, it’s a mistake to assume he’s going to react in ways that we find “normal.”
edit – placed under wrong comment. Oops. Never mind.
If Kelly wants a plug n play OL, is this the moment of truth? Doubt that Clemmings or Fisher will be around at 52. Kelly took Johnson 4th over all, but every other OL that he’s signed has been mid-low round journeyman…unless I’m leaving someone out. I find it hard to know his thinking on OL. Clemmings and Collins were interviewed, but so were Poole and Poutasi. Stoutland visited with Travis Raciti, a late-round DT from San Jose St. (TLaw covered), who they may like to convert to OL. Kelly projected Allen Barbre as Herremans’ replacement and he’s fine with Mathis seeking a trade. Is CK maybe a tad cavalier about RG/LG?? He’s adamant that RB’s hit the hole, that WR’s block, and he’s seen his OL backups get pushed around and hasn’t shown any concern.
According to PFT Fisher will go to Jets and Clemmings won’t be picked at all in round 2. Eagles will select TE Max Williams. Stupid mock draft in my opinion.
Clemmings has a stress fracture in his foot, so he might slide.
I would LOOOOOOOOOOOVE Maxx Williams but we didnt bring him at all, so doubt we are interested.
It is also rumored Maxx interviwed terrible at the combine
It’s possible that the stress fracture is worse then thought, but by alot of indications he didn’t even feel it and it wasn’t that big of a deal. Must have been a small one because only one team found it.
There have been reports that Eagles offered two 1sts, Bradford and another player. Per Glazer and Peter Schrager of Fox Sports the Eagles offer was more vague: Pick a QB and another vet player. I don’t know if the other vet player was specified but it could have been TB/TEN’s choice. Could have been anyone or the Eagles could have said that they could have anyone except these guys. So when Kelly said they didn’t discuss players, it’s not necessarily a lie.
In the end, who cares, theyre all professionals. Youre paid to play so feeling shouldnt even matter imo.
They are young human beings so no matter what anyone says about emotions they are definitely there. You just can’t turn them off and on when you like.
when you pay them what they do you sure can, although that doesnt mean it always works that way thats for sure.
I can’t help but disagree with that. Just because you pay someone alot of money doesn’t mean they will operate without emotion. Maybe they won’t voice it, but it will be there and can or will eventually show.
According to PFT the Birds 2nd round pick will be TE Max Williams. Fisher will go to Jets first pick in the 2nd and Clemmings won’t be taken at all in the 2nd round.
Couldn’t disagree with their 2nd round mock anymore.
I understand why Kelly would claim no players were offered. I understand why reporters all want to find out what exactly was offered. I don’t understand why TN would leak any information about the offer. It can only serve to put more pressure on Mariota and make them look worse if he isn’t a first ballot HOFer.
Are you sure it was Titans who leaked it? Agents aren’t committed to their clients’ franchises, and some of them have big problems w/media. I could see Tom Condon telling Jeff McClane that players were involved to get him to embarrass himself.
This is still my favorite move of the offseason so far: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/24/vikings-add-lb-casey-matthews/
who is going to watch the rams with gurley and folesy this year?
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25170248/nfl-draft-observations-rb-run-coming-niners-lions-win-with-deals
Lions were going to take Agholor, traded down
Just saw that.
So the dream of taking Jones or an OL or trade back wouldnt have worked
yay we won one!
This gives me some peace of mind. I’m liking the pick more and more. Agholor is one of those cases where the teams like him much more than the fans because, well, obviously they know much more than we do.
Pssh, speak for yourself.
Are you amped for tonight? This is actually my favorite of the 3 days.
be more amped if we had more picks
Yeh. We might though if we trade any of our players or we can use them to trade up.
Except in the case of MSII!
Not ready to close the book on him.
I’m not either, but people still think we could have gotten him in the 3rd or 4th round, despite multiple reports teams behind us would have picked him.
Those people are dopes.
That would have been a strange pick for DET considering how much they have invested in Megatron and Golden Tate.
they figure if they give stafford more recievers maybe he’ll stop throwing it to the other team. going to be interesting to see what life is like without suh.
they could use a solid TE.
I’m more interested in watching Cam Wake and Suh go for Tom Brady’s blood. Dolphins may actually win enough games to challenge NE.
Over / under how many games Suh is suspended this year for abusing brady? line is at 2.5
Agholor is quite a bit like Golden Tate
Yeah, I wanted to make that comp, but Tate is so much thicker and has such strong hands. Tate is actually a lot like a combination of Huff and Agholor. With better hands.
My gut is we end up with Quentin Rollins in the 2nd. Will be among players with highest upside left.
I think there will be a run on OLs.
We should all hope there is a run on RBs to help push our targets back.
I would wager Abdullah would begin the run.
Would be good, force Cowboys to spend some picks to get a back
I think it will be Rowe if he is still there
I don’t think he’ll be there.
Might be right, but him, Rollins, Fisher and Clemmings is my favorites
They could all be gone
I don’t think it will be Rollins for 2 reasons: First, Chip seems to prefer big school players and the level of competition at Miami(OH) might not qualify for him and Second, Chip seems to put more of a premium on current ability and production than projected upside.
Soooooo anyone else feeling a lot more optimistic about this season now that we didn’t burn the roster to the ground in order to get Mariota? I mean the whole thing still hinges on Bradford being good and not getting injured, but I like our odds a lot better with the path we took rather than some of what was speculated.
Optimistic about not gutting the roster/future for Mariota? yes. Optimistic about Bradford? eh.
Well, more optimistic. I’m not saying my optimeter is soaring into the green right now but I feel better with what we did than what we might have done.
I do not doubt Bradford’s ability other than his inability thus far to stay healthy.
Really, you have no doubts at all about Bradford’s ability? Not even any tiny ones? You’re that confident that if he’s healthy he’s the pro bowl QB who’s going to take us to the promised land?
no doubts
Whew, well super bowl here we come.
Why? You’ve figured out how to keep him healthy?
Yes. Better O line. A real run game. One-read throws. Better receivers. And don’t forget smoothies…
As confident as i can be about ANY QB that has never taken a snap with the EAGLES, yes.
There should be major doubts about Bradford. He’s not good according to either conventional or advanced stats. His highlights do look great, though, even compared to Foles13.
There is another problem, though. If Bradford resurrects his career and (improbably) puts up amazing, franchise-QB numbers, he will demand a franchise-QB contract _on the open market_. A $100M plus kind of contract.
yup, gonna have to pay to play
I wonder if that wont be toned down a bit based on his injury history and having one decent season under Chip. What am I thinking, of course he will want the huge contract as will the agent. Just wonder what common ground they come to.
Does he have to be pro bowl QB to help us get a Lombardi? It is not inconceivable that Bradford could be good enough – not great, not lights out, not other-worldly – just good enough to make the Eagles a tough opponent. He’s going to throw picks, and he’ll probably cough up the ball a few times, but since Kelly has been with us, I reckon more of our losses have been us beating us than our opponents beating us. If Sam just plays within his ability, Eagles can fly.
If Kelly made a “big” trade, why would that discourage you?
The guy is a “win now” junkie-freak.
So if he thought a “big” trade would improve the team, why shouldn’t we?
What you are calling a big trade, I think many of us would have seen as giving away the store. I would find it very unsettling, and my ojida would reach lethal levels. I don’t want to die before the Eagles win a Super Bowl.
Ok . . . your last reason is convincing!
I always had this feeling that the Eagles will be 2:00 away from winning a SuperBowl…. and then the rapture occurs…..
You’re rollin’ red hot today!
great stuff
by the way, I’ve made my peace that the 1960 championship will be the last one in my lifetime.
Lets hope not… I hope we all get to witness multiple Championships for many years… BUT at least you got to witness greatness… I don’t care if they renamed the “Championship Game” to the Superbowl. Being the winner of the Final Game of NFL season, Makes you the world Champion. I want to witness that, experience that, feel that pride. And I don’t care if it’s called the Superbowl or the ESPN bowl or whatever damn name they give to the Championship name… The logic that the Eagles never won a “superbowl” so they never won anything is like saying Richard Petty or Dale Earnhardt never one the NASCAR championship because it was the WIntson Cup now it is called the Sprint Cup or whatever sponsor that ponied up the most cash. In short A Champion is a Champion and I want to see it for the Eagles.
Bucs deny they encouraged, ordered, advised, demanded, suggested or otherwise influenced Jameis Winston to delete crab-leg Twitter photo.
Reminds me of when the Browns were “Shocked” when Manziel was out partying after he promised them that those days were over if he was selected.
Entire Bucs organization must have been face palming after they saw that photo.
The photo is kind of funny. Maybe he just likes crab legs. Now he’s a millionaire – he should get an endorsement deal with red lobster
I swear I’ve been saying this forever lol
There’s a story about it, doesn’t sound that bad. Check Shaun King’s twitter timeline.
I’d take Strong if he is still there at 52
That would be a………. “Strong” selection. Ba da dum.
Weak pun.
Glad you noticed. It was supposed to be.
SO was mine…ba da bum.
Well I’m sorry you didn’t find it……….. “punny.”
I’m just basking in the afterglow of last night’s premature anticipation.
What does that even mean?
It means as a group, we were all set to have a happy ending to our quarterback quest. Some celebrated prematurely
We might already have the answer on our team as much as many don’t think so.
Tebow
I like it.
Tebow has a better playoff record than any Eagles QB since 2008.
One player not really talked about for us is Preston Smith. He is 6’5 271 and could be an OLB for us
Another Smith at OLB? Bust….(sarcasm)
He’s NOT a Smith, too.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/5/1/8530503/watch-neslon-agholor-dunk-all-over-this-kid-in-a-hs-basketball-game
There are enough guys I like on the board that at least one of them will be available at 52.
I hope so
Do you expect any of the projected Kelly-approved O-linemen to make to No. 52?
Many people think Clemmings and Fisher will be gone after the first 10 picks in the 2nd and then it depends on what you think of a guy like Marpet
Marpet . . . good call.
He may be the only O-lineman who visited left at 52.
And maybe not even him.
In which case, LOTS of DBs should be around.
And Character Cases
There are several highly ranked guards also on the board, but I don’t know how well suited they are for the Eagles.
Ex-QB’s? They are fine.
Maybe Grassu gets taken at 52. He could potentially play all the interior line positions. Not sure about right tackle.
He’s a 3rd-round target I think.
In general I agree but if there is a run on OL you never know what Chip will do. He is an option for sure.
Yep.
It’s possible that La’el Collins could fall further also, due to the murder investigation.
Ty Sambraillo
Ty Ty
Sambraillo
Sing it with me now.
I have to confess i hadn’t watched a ton of college ball last few years, but the tape i have been watching on NA – he seems to run with abandon, not really giving an F about who/what is in his path. I like him.
Can we never call him NA again?
How dare you insult the great Na Brown!
I’m so glad someone else remembered him as well as Nnamdi
HA! Na Na Na NA, hey hey hey Agholooooor…..
Yea lol I immediately read that as nnamdi
I’m very interested to see him on the deep out — whether he can do what Maclin did 2-3 times last year, with the full body extension and toes to turf.
I’m not sure Bradford can throw that…
A Roy . . .
That’s very discouraging — especially for a QB drafted 1st overall.
The knock hasn’t been his arm strength for that throw, but his accuracy.
Even more upsetting.
I thought the whole reason to get Bradford was his accuracy.
Very sad now.
He can throw it…. question is can he stay in the pocket starring down a rush and make the throw while getting hit and not shying away.
You’ve just sailed into the great unknown.
Nick Foles was great in a clean pocket.
I assume Bradford will be, as well.
But under duress? What evidence is there — over his 3-out-of-5 year career — that Bradford’s a stand-in-the-pocket-and-deliver-on-target QB while under pressure?
none. we are fu*ked
Go watch any of his highlights. He stands there and takes hits regularly. I can think of 3 or 4 in Tommy’s video he posted in one of the bazillion Bradford posts
Everyone looks good in highlights. Looking deep in the #s is needed to avoid wishful thinking and confirmation bias.
Yes he can, and did regularly in STL
I remember reading — somewhere — that Bradford’s numbers dropped precipitously when throwing under pressure, as compared to other QBs.
Bradford has a great arm. It’s going to be bombs over bagdad. I found it interesting that since moving Djax CK has been looking for deep threat kind of guys.
Where’s this idea come from? I 100% disagree.
There’s not a throw that Foles can make that Bradford can’t.
True.
If you look at the first play in the embeed video you see it
I’m coming around to the theory that 3 #2 WRs are better than a #1, etc.
Its harder to shut down 3 #2 wrs than #1 wr and 2 #4th
only if you have a great QB
My theory is a Top 5 QB makes the identity of his receivers pretty much unimportant.
I cry.
This is a precious moment on IB.com.
false. just very emotional after we are destined to pick mid-first rd again after a 10-6 season and getting another non-consensus “decent draft pick”…. I feel multiple 8-8 seasons coming in our future…. f*ck. Sorry, but i just have 0% confidence in Bradford being healthy/not gun-shy.
all aboard the mediocrity train!
I see what you mean now . . .
Kempski’s more or less saying the same thing about Bradford. And that’s if he stays healthy.
If Bradford flames out, what do the Eagles do at QB in 2016?
Either the answer lies in Rds 2-3 tonight.
Or Chip Kelly won’t care . . . ’cause he’ll be coaching an SEC school.
at least with Mariota the ceiling was MUCH MUCH MUCH higher…. QB> Every other position times 1,000
Agree with that.
Mariota = hope.
…it’s either that or we need a top-5 defense.
which i don’t see a happening according to stats in a traditional sense due to our offensive pace.
and our division
I REALLY don’t see him tucking his tail and running back to college…. Chip went to school in New Hampshire and has no major alma mater allegiance, ala Harbaugh…. nah i think he stays, but unless we get a franchise QB/Top-5 defense we are f*cked
Trevone Boykin
When’s he draft-eligible?
He could have come out this year, but went back. Think he’ll be a RS Sr. This year
BA:
thx
If Chip’s a gamblin’ man… which I think he is to some extent. How’s this for a plan:
Either we have a franchise QB Bradford
or
Bradford is made of glass doesn’t play a snap and we get a high first (thanks Sanchez) and comp from the Rams in ’16.
I don’t think mediocre Bradford is terribly realistic because I think he is a great scheme fit and arm talent.
When you consider that Bradford was 2010 offensive ROY and the Rams were 7-9, I believe, that is a reflection on the franchise that isn’t attractive. Bradford could fold like a pup tent or have his best days as a pro, but I do not expect him to contribute to losing by turnovers, poor reads, holding on to the ball too long or missing open receivers. We had quite a bit of that last season, and still won 10 games. I believe Sanchez could possibly have taken us to a playoff berth had the injury gods been more kind. And I “pity the fool” who thinks Bradford is no better than Sanchez.
Look no further than my new profile pic.
Who’s the 3rd?
I’m hoping Huff is. It certainly isn’t the Coop. I didn’t say we had 3 #2s, just that it works for NE and SEA, although that might be because of AC Viking’s theory below.
Name a WR who can block like Cooper?
1 WR to catch the ball, and 1 WR to block, right?
That makes Cooper a #2 WR.
Wasn’t that easy?
addition by subtraction.
so true . . . starting in August 2013.
Chris Conley?
now you’re talkin’.
Even GEagle couldn’t argue with that logic.
are you sure?
With a name like Smiley Pooper being #2 comes naturally.
Agholor and Matthews are first and second round picks, just like Maclin and Jackson were. Why should we consider them to be #2s? It will be a disappointment if we aren’t saying we have two #1s in a few years.
Although it’s early in their careers, I do not see them as game changers, Pro Bowl, HOF types…just as really good receivers. (Although neither one can block as well as Cooper.)
Cooper’s blocking ability is overstated because it stands in such stark contrast to his lack of ability in other areas.
I don’t think Matthews has djax upside, i think we got two MACs, which is ok, b/c while they have lower ceilings i think they are dedicated to reaching those ceilings.
I think BPerriman had DJax upside . . .
Perriman’s acceleration is really impressive.
(Hands not so much)
DJax had very underrated hands. Could track the ball effortlessly and was a natural catcher.
“Effortlessly” . . .
Great description of DJax in action.
Smooooth
Well played…. on a serious note he rarely broke stride while catching the ball (double clutching or not).
When a ball went vertical in DJax’s direction, I always thought he’d come down with it — just by outrunning the other guy.
Not so with anyone else at WR since Mike Quick.
And before him, Tommy McDonald.
I never saw DJax catch a deep ball without double clutching.
Video? I can pull up a bunch of him easily gathering the ball. Especially in 2013 under Chip.
Would you consider either Maclin or DJax 1s? I wouldn’t.
Rd 2: Marpert or Rowe
Rowe
Rollins . . .
Only DB in the past 35 years who tackles by going head across the bow — arm thrust.
I like TJ Clemmons, Jake Fisher, and Donovan Smith in Rd 2 as well.
At #52? Rowe. At #35-36? Clemmons or Fisher. At 60 + a 5th? Marpet.
why was dallas so slap happy in the war room last night?
they were giddy and so congratulatory . so lame.
like they just picked Troy Aikman or something
We didn’t get to see the high-5s in Eagles-land.
I mean Jones is going to get smashed by Nelson anyway
unless it’s a jump-ball
repost : http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/5/1/8530503/watch-neslon-agholor-dunk-all-over-this-kid-in-a-hs-basketball-game
Interesting name…Neslon. Probably from planet Meep-Zorp.
They troll our sites. They know Eagles fans wanted Jones. It’s rivalry one-upsmanship, and revenge for Murray.
Then they are really dumb. Murray > Jones IMO
True. I still don’t like that they have the only likable Jones on their team now.
I’ve written down my season prediction in a sealed envelope and given it to my wife to hold. I’ll let you all know at the end of our season how i did.
10-6 or 8-8. we are entering “Cowboys mediocre years” territory with no top-10 pick in sight for years anyway… so why didn’t we sell the whole 2016 draft again?
I’m sure the Chargers were at the other end of the rope you hanging from when they drafted Ryan Leaf in the top 10. In Chip We Trust.
different situation. Their head coach did not have 1st hand intimate knowledge of a top-5 prospect. We literally wasted insider trading tips.
This was our best shot at a franchise QB that could get us into the playoffs year after year… if we could win would depend on the rest of the team, but getting in the playoffs is what matters most.
Chip I Trust, Bradford I do not.
Well shit, we are pick 52 we can still use Sam to trade up…
if it goes to the Titans sure.
As have I . . . and they range from 1-15 to 16-0 to SB winner
@nelsonagholor is in the Nest. #FlyEaglesFly
Meet our #EaglesDraft pick at 4 pm on http://PhiladelphiaEagles.com
What time does the 2nd round start tonight?
7PM ET
Thnx
So either Cardale Jones was hacked, is playing a practical joke…or he transfered to Akron.
How’d he do in OSU spring practices?
I think he went in as at least #2, maybe #3, on the depth chart again.
He was mediocre in their spring game. Urban said he needed to clean up some mistakes. My vote is on Barrett winning the starting job next season.
He was the top QB all spring as Barrett and Miller were still sidelined with injuries.
And… there you have it….
Only fool here would seem to be Cardale Jones.
Optimum Scouting best 100 available list
http://optimumscouting.com/draft/2015-nfl-draft-top-100-players-available-for-day-2.html
Once all the O-linemen are gone by Pick 52 . . .
How ’bout that Bednnarik [sic] McKinney from MSU?
Big. Physical.
And still in the Green Room.
No thanks. 2 down player.
But he’s in the Green Room!!!
So is Strong
Can’t see Kelly going WR again ’til Rd 4.
Need DBs and OLs
But but BPA
touche
Which is strange because he performed decent on his 3-cone drill and has some explosion. I wonder if its a case of him not being asked to do it or if he just isn’t good in general.
He looks very awkward in coverage. Dare I even say that he’s not comfortable with it?
Honestly, I watched very little of him because I saw about 3 minutes and could tell he couldn’t cover. However with his combine measureables particularly in the 3-cone, he may have a chance of being functional with coverage. Now, the question becomes can he cover well enough that the Eagles take him at 52? IDK but I would lean toward no.
You can use him like Meco in the shallow zones.
Also he’s 6’5 with long ass arms. That’s got to be a massive pain in the ass to get the ball up and over him and under the safety.
Interesting that Shane Ray — arrested for marjiuana possession on draft eve — goes in Rd 1.
But Randy Gregory — who fails a drug test (which Ray obviously would have also the other night, unless he’s actually a dope dealer and not a user) — drops like a rock out of Rd 1.
Seems to suggest that teams never had Randy Gregory rated nearly as highly as the Draft Literati.
Rumors of psychological testing revealing issues
Is it a learning disability-kind of problem?
Or something else, you think?
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000488780/article/concern-exists-on-gregory-handling-pro-footballs-mental-rigors
on this blog, we kid around about a lot of these guys.
but you really want them to have success (save Mariota, for reasons that need not be explained).
a kid like Gregory smokes dope — big deal.
he’s not beating up women or burgling dorm rooms.
whatever the problem, i hope he lands with a team that’ll help him find his way — not just in football but for after football.
Yes, I think he’ll get drafted today.
If it were up to me, though, and we wanted to go D-line, I would take Jordan Phillips. Then again I want a gigantic nose tackle every year.
(edit: wrote O-line when I meant D-line)
The ghost of 2004 . . .
Yes, I think that’s what got me on this kick.
Just once I want the guy that causes the butt fumble instead of the butt fumbler himself.
same here.
from the old school for NTs.
move Logan to DE
trade Cox for Aaron Rodgers
Heh. And this guy Phillips is sort of a Dontari Poe clone.
He’d be a beast and give Davis a lot of flexibility up front.
But O-line remains the siren song for this team.
I’m wondering if they don’t take a couple of late shots at the line with projects, hoping for “coaching up” some Gs and possibly striking gold with a serviceable future RT.
I’m with you as far as wanting to some top OL talent for the team. I’m just wondering if that isn’t an area where they’re going to go “cheap,” for now, given that Johnson and Kelce are their young anchor stars. But it’s still the biggest need outside of S, and it doesn’t look like there’s much available at S at 52…
Rollins or Rowe could be available there. We’ll have to see.
Most like some personality disorder like borderline or he could have ADD/ADHD
I have ADHD don’t think that would be much of a de to teams, probably more than just that
A lot of psychologists won’t even touch borderline. I would hope that the Eagles are smart enough to avoid that kind of issue (like they did when they passed on Brandon Marshall).
The articles I’ve seen really don’t want to get specific. Just that there may be an issue which is “manageable” with effort but not “fixable” (and “through no fault of his own”), and one article said may make him undraftable. Nobody wants to get specific, which points to something medical. Could be a Shawn Andrews situation, or something vaguely like that. I’m sure some team will pull the trigger at some point, but maybe not until day 3.
Anyone have info on Havenstein from Wisconsin?
3rd Rd?
Big guy but doesn’t have the feet for our blocking scheme.
Division wish list. Please someone take Landon he’d look great in New York, Cowboys you know you want to trade up for an RB, No one take Gregory or DGB if they get their crap together and become great it better not be for you guys, Skins yeah just keep doing watch you do
Collins seems like a fit for the Steelers . . . whose defense got old and under-talented just about as fast as the Phillies.
Is there another team with a scheme into which Collins projects well?
(I assume Pitt would take him, if he can run at all.)
I think Skins will take Collins if he’s there. They like slow, box safeties.
Fine by me
Hot off the presses Agholor will wear 17.
Meh
Agholor doesn’t look like a 17.
15 was good but can’t control that, I think 80 would have been good
Should have taken 85.
Also would have been good
He looks like an 18 to me.
yeah they really should just give him 18
And tell him he can’t cut his hair till he signs. Wait, that may be bad luck at this point.
In 75+ years, only 1 Eagles player has worn No. 17 for longer than a single season.
Who might that be?
17
Harold Carmichael
I’m going to go take a lap for that one.
Crazy that Carmichael’s jersey is not retired and Fatty McNabb’s #5 hangs from the rafters of the Linc.
As good as Carmichael was, “Fatty” did a whole hell of a lot more for the franchise.
I’ve never understood the utter hatred for McNabb that some people have. It’s a sign of poor character, I think…
A negative appraisal of a player’s ability does not imply hatred for the person.
Calling a player “Fatty” does not reflect a particularly nuanced view of that person.
Wasn’t that Harold Carmichael’s?
Anyone else hoping for Petty at 52? Looking at who’s likely to be left at that point, I have no problem with, and probably favor, picking Petty or Hundley as a hedge on the Bradford bet. I’m slightly surprised one didn’t get picked at the end of round 1 – a sweet spot, economically, for project QBs. Maybe teams don’t see either one as top 10 ceiling types?
I’m still a fan of Grayson myself and wonder if he’ll go in the 2nd or 3rd.
Not familiar with him him at all….
GEAGLE is. I think the days of massively overdrafting QBs are over for now. Just like drafting RBs is back in style.
yes, GEAGLES’ support of Petty has convinced me he’s going to be horrible.
I could see taking either of those QBs but frankly I’m not rooting for it to happen.
Jets could be in play, maybe Bears, saints, Browns and Texans come into play again too and maybe even the Chiefs. bills might get aggressive for one
The Titans and Buccaneers are still fielding calls from teams interested in a trade.
NFL Media’s Albert Breer reported Friday that both clubs have heard from squads trying to acquire Tennessee’s 33rd overall pick and Tampa Bay’s selection at No. 34.
WR/OL run incoming.
Yeah gonna have to pay to get TJ or Jake. strong, Smith, Funchess, Lockett could all go round 2
http://optimumscouting.com/uncategorized/2015-nfl-draft-round-two-and-three-mock-draft.html
Galko has us taking Rowe in Round 2 and Ty Sambrailo (OG) in Round 3.
Fine by me
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Probably means Arizona will be looking at wr, wonder what they want for Floyd he’s a FA at the end of the year though and I doubt we would pay him
put him in the can’t afford list, but he’s got the measurables.
So they might be trying to trade up for Strong…what would they even get for Floyd anyway
OK then never mind he has 2 years but like anon said they’d want a lot
Cards just exercised Floyd’s option — might make the price on him sort of high.
I take Joseph with our 3rd rounder. Thanks.
Would it take that, they might undervalue him they just spent a top pick on a cb and gave over 30 million to another…
Joseph is in last year of contract and has salary of $8.5M. Trade value is likely not more than 5th round pick.
Plus his age I was not aware of.
No way a third. I would offer a 5th. He’s 31.
Personally I wouldn’t offer anything… Next! Don’t have be involved in every trade
Oops! Thought he’d be still in his twenties. A 5th sounds more reasonable!
Iverson says his documentary is “definitely not for Skip Bayless.”
GE’s beer consumption tonight: 2
Over / Under ???
taking the over – its friday night!
Over
are you missing a 0? π
You going to bed at 5pm or something?
Lol. Still suffering from the 13 beers of last night.
A hair of the dog might do the trick though.
Best hangover cure there is! Or is it that you get drunk all over again and can’t feel the hangover anymore? Not really sure.
have a shot of scotch . . . that’ll fix you up in less than 90 seconds.
Question guys – not sure how i want to watch the draft tonight.
Day 1 – I always watch NFL Network
Day 3 – PhiladelphiaEagles.com
Day 2? not so sure Thinking of watching NFL network until our pick and then flip over to PE.com but what are other people doing?
I’m watching on NFL network
Problem i have with NFL is once they get past round 2, they start going back and recapping round 1 picks – and i already have seen/read all the #hottakes i need about the Browns draft picks at this point – i simply don’t care.
Interesting that Bradford is able to run around already and they will take a look at him in mini camp and figure out what drills he can do, he may take part in some drills before training camp
..
Also interesting that GJ Kinney informed chip he doesn’t want to be a practice squad QB anymore and wants to try to make the team as a special team player and versatile offensive player which is one of the reasons we added Tebows camp arm.
..
Maybe TEBOW should take a page from GJ Kinney willing to play any positions to try and make the roster and help the team…
…
We improved our team last night without subtracting talent, hoping for the same tonight
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/shermans-nfl-mock-draft-round-2-eagles-quinten-rollins
This mock has us taking Q Rollins in the 2nd.
I am all aboard with that, I am not sure he is a guy that Chip will love. He likes guys who are 100% football – and Q Roll is hardly that having only just started playing.
I think Jalen Collins could be the pick if he is there at 52 or a minor trade up – Chip seems to like LSU kids and has a good relationship with their staff.
If Kelly wants to help Bradford we need to draft an O-lineman because no receiver will be catching passes if Bradford is flat on the turf.
We have starting OL for this year – what we need is long term solutions and youth. Think if TJ Clemmings continues to fall and La’el Collins could be interesting value if we are happy with his ‘murder’ situation in the 3rd.
Peters-Mathis-Kelce-Barbre-Johnson…What you mean to be saying is they need future olineman to groom.
Press conference introducing Agholor is scheduled for now on PhiladelphiaEagles.com
http://www.csnphilly.com/video_content_type/nelson-agholor-press-conference
CSN also streaming press conference, still Hasn’t begun.
count the cliches.
i put the over at 20.
Not bad at all, he’s very thoughtful actually.
mksp:
Not meant as a criticism of Agholor at all.
In fact, I expect he’s a smart kid.
So as a smart kid, in his first Eagles PC, I’d expect him to use cliches — because it’s safe.
He used some. Like about how his high school coach taught him that you have to keep working to improve every day, because standing pat is the same as regressing.
Listen to the interview when you have a chance, you can really see why Chip loves him, and not in a cliched Jordan Matthews “gonna grind and work hard” manner.
He has a good approach to football.
Jameis Winston signed with the #Bucs for 4-years, $35.35M, source said. He gets a $16.7M signing bonus.
Was a typo – $25.35m
So $12m more than Bradford guaranteed 1 year contract with the Eagles. Sounds like a good deal to me.
After rookie contracts being stagnant since 2011, numbers will now rise approximately 15% from last year.
Bradford was the last guy to sign a ridiculous #1 overall contract wasn’t he? Didn’t he get like 6 years, $80m?
Apply 15 % to $25m, still a good deal.
Wow Winston has already signed his rookie contract – obviously needed that cash ASAP to settle his rape civil case…
oh snap
Unrelated but where is your icon from
I believe that the first $15,000 from his bonus will be going to the plaintiff and her attorneys.
If ethics rules did not bar lawyers from lending money to their clients to resolve cases, this lawsuit would have been over the day it was filed.
(Yes, Winston could have borrowed the money; but I’m not sure in the post-2008 meltdown era, banks can even lend money to someone without a prior history of consistent earnings.)
$15k doens’t seem like enough… I thought you were going to say $15k was going to his lawyer, but even that doesn’t seem like enough.
My recollection is her civil complaint states that her damages are $15,000.
And related articles suggested that she’d drop the case for that amount.
All this over $15k? She could probably raise that on kickstarter. Assuming the lawyer is working on contingency that’s $5k for all this nonsense and she gets $10k? Do you get taxed on judgement awards? so maybe $6k net cash in pocket?
No taxes if the damages compensation flow from a physical injury — which these would.
Can the local media stop calling the kid “Aguilar”???
Chip is getting destroyed on sports radio for not getting Mariota… As if he didn’t try, and he should have out a gun to wisenhunts head
That’s a really, really long answer man. I’m going to assume it’s a rhetorical question.
Frankly, I’m thrilled we didn’t sell the farm to move up.
Thank god we didn’t move up…
I refuse to call Whisenhunt god. But I will thank him when I see him.
No one on actual teams care about what sports radio morons say.
Can you stop complaining about the media for one fucking day?
Do you purposely step in dog shit and then track it all over your trailer? No. Don’t do it here.
PC starting
Organ-I-zation
Future…
Agholor is a very impressive at the podium.
Similar mindset to Jordan Matthews, but comes off as more genuine and thoughtful, doesn’t use as many cliches.
mksp:
thanks for this. sounds like a sharp kid
A lot of the time it’s sounds like BS. You don’t often see rookies say they aren’t happy to join the team that drafted them
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But I believe the last’3 WRs that we drafted, I believe that they Genuinly hoped that the Eagles would draft them……Huff, Pope, Agholor all really wanted to become Eagles, and I like that we have a young nucleus in the WR room that can grow together and push each other…our young Wideouts seem to have a serious work ethic…
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We rejuvenated the WR corp.. Hopefully next year we can ditch Ryan Mathews, and add some youth to the RB room named Zeke Elliot. Would love a Demarco/Zeke Elliot 1-2 punch…
Whatttt a Murray/Elliot duo would wreck the league. 2 bruising style RBs would wear down defenses in a heartbeat.
It would be sooooo badass.. Alternate them every series, extend Demarco Murrays career adding a work horse like Zeke… Defenses would be more worn down then we ever saw…… Hopefully we go into the next draft with no holes allowing us to spend a 1st rounder on a RB…..
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I really want that kid in Philly with a coach like Chip who will pound him all day
That last sentence…
Whoa lets hope Chip doesn’t pound Zeke, probably wouldn’t be a good look lol, I got what you’re saying though brotha. I can even see a situation where if Chip were to get Zeke that he’d make him the 4th quarter RB and damn I can see this kid hitting 500-600 yards with 5-6 TDs in just a 4th quarter role.
Ooooooooh interesting. Εet Demarco wear down defenses with our crazy tempo for the first 3 quarters and come the 4th quarter unleash a completely Fresh Zeke on the defense. I like it, I like it…. Demarco as our starting pitcher, and bring Zeke in as the closer!..
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It would have to suck for a worn down defense to see that beast come in completely fresh…… Love to one day see it… It would be such a physical backfield..
2 RBs just went in the first 15 spots of this draft.
Elliott may be better than both.
How are the Eagles gonna be able to draft this kid — unless they’re a 7-9 team in 2016?
Seriously, is Elliott the missing piece worth an extra 2nd Rd pick to move from the 20s to No. 10?
Good point. Just so used to thinking you can have any RB you want if you’re willing to spend a 1st round pick on him, because nobody else will.
Seems like, all of a sudden, the NFL is a rushing league again.
Thx to Seattle, SF, Eagles (at least).
The pendulum does swing. So I figure Chip will start gearing up to be pass heavy to stay ahead of the curve. π
that’s good
Well AC I cant really answer that question about him being the missing piece until this year plays out. If we win at the least 10 games and get a playoff win I would say yes that we have the luxury of drafting a RB in the first round.
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Haven’t taken into consideration what kind of draft slot he would be taken. I was just speaking in generalities about the kid.
JE:
Generally speaking, I think Elliott’s gonna be the best back in the NFL the day he’s drafted.
(Maybe a bit hyperbolic . . . but not by much.)
AC I completely agree that come Elliot’s second year in the league he will be one of the best backs in the NFL.
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Also now that I am thinking about draft position for him he may very well be a top 10 pick. If Gurley coming off an ACL tear is worth the #10 overall pick then Elliot should be worth that pick or higher. So yes maybe it is a pipe dream to think about him in Eagles green, but one can hope and dream right lol.
well said. exactly what I was thinking re: Gurley
Hell no.
Philadelphia Eagles
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Agholor: @Huff_Era_1 and @jmattjmattjmatt made it very clear that they want me to work with them and get after it.
J-Matt, Huff: Yeah, you’ll definitely take Riley’s job.
I feel like Riley is definitely the odd man out. I just feel like he is a stuck up little rich kid who thinks things should be handed to him. Can’t wait till he is gone.
I think his lovely flowing locks fuels the negative perception of him.
IDGAF what he is as long as he catches the damn ball
i think his shit behavior and awful production had a lot to do with it
I think his inability to catch and questionable effort fuels it.
hair jealousy.
i’m shocked he’s survived this long.
I dont think is fair to call Cooper entitled or lazy. I just think he sucks, plain and simple.
yeah, he worked hard to suck this bad!
And people dont give him credit for that. Taking sucking to that high a level, then having to break your bad habits to get your new big contract in order to keep your job, before being able to go back doing what you love.
Riley Cooper, not a shitty profesional WR, a profesional shitty WR.
Yeah, if he were #4 or #5 WR plus his ST play, I wouldn’t mind him. He’s just not talented enough to be a starting NFL player.
gee I wonder why those 3 guys aren’t hanging with Mr. cooper?
gee I wonder
failure is contagious?
It’s not Riley’s fault. He invited all of those guys to the next Kenny Chesney concert, after all.
nice
Props for the early 90s TV reference.
That’s probably because he is a stuck up rich kid who expects things to be handed to him.
Oooooo weee. You are hot today.
GM Ryan Grigson defended the Phillip Dorsett selection with a best player available mantra.
“This just shows that we stick to our guns when it comes to taking our best player on our board,” Grigson said. “It’s not just party talk.” That’s fine, but the Colts are a few beefy defenders away from being among the Super Bowl favorites. Dorsett doesn’t figure to have much of a Year 1 impact as he plays behind T.Y. Hilton, Andre Johnson and (maybe) Donte Moncrief. Grigson has now taken 16 offensive players and seven defenders in his tenure as Colts GM.
same ol colts.
really terrible
right . . .
advancing 1 step in the playoffs each of Luck’s seasons
crazy luck they have.
must be the horseshoe on the helmet.
can’t be the GM.
It will depend on what percentage of the plays he’s on the field, but a speed WR helps slow the pass rush and blitzes. It also makes teams reluctant to put an 8th man in the box and opens up rushing lanes.
on today’s edition of “what mock drafter has no clue about philly’s Defensive philosophy”: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2444727-2015-nfl-mock-draft-updated-round-2-and-3-projections/page/21
“Kelly always had physical strong safeties during his time with the Oregon Ducks. He lacks that player in Philadelphia.”
I think Sobleski is incorrect in that aspect and I tweeted to him about it but he’s one of the better media guys around IMO.
it’s just been such a common error this time, and one that’s so easily debunked . . .
His rationale is incorrect but Tartt may actually be a fit. While he has the size to be a box safety in college he excelled in a single high scheme similar to what the Eagles run. He has pretty good, not great, speed for the position. The issue is that he’s from a small school, which usually is a negative for Chip, and while he excelled in a similar scheme at Samford his athleticism might not be enough to do so in the pros.
if he can’t cover the slot he’s useless to us
If they limit themselves that strictly, the number of safeties that are fits you can count on one hand. May have to reach for Amos in the 2nd.
Misanelli is ripping the eagkes today for paying. brandon Graham instead of drafting Randy gregory who “is perfect for us” lol
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Apparently he doesn’t think OLB’s have to play the run, doesn’t seem to care that MELVIN Gordon put up 400 rushing yards in one game against him with Gregory on the field… Apparently he doesn’t care about the drug program. The admitted addiction, the emotional and psychological worries teams claim to have…. The eagles are clearly dumb for not drafting Randy Gregory instead of paying Brandon Graham lol
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misanelli is so worthless, that if he actiually wanted to replace BG, he should be ripping us for passing on Bud Dupree, but that requires too much draft Acumen for the moron,. He prefers to just rip chip and get fans riled up because we weren’t able to get Mariota, and talk down on our draft pick smh
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3 months of draft coverages and LITERALLY all we got was, Eagles either trade away the team for Mariota, or Eagles draft Landon Collins “the best safety in the drafts”….
don’t forget that chip’s a huge liar because after saying he wouldn’t blow everything up to get mariota he didn’t blow everything up to get mariota.
Lol how.could I forget chip the LIar!!! Lol as if all the other GMs/Coaches are “honest Abe” this time of year….
oh and don’t forget that “he thinks he’s so smart”
He & his producer or whatever he is are a couple of clowns. All these media hucksters are just sore because they didn’t get their wet dream to come true LOLOLOL. I despise them.
It kills me that a legion of passionate fans allow their opinions to be tainted by these irresponsible imbeciles. Fans that care so much, deserve better then a media who has them walking around believing stuff that just is not true… Wish people would be responsible with their platforms..
Missy is so terrible. Not sure who is worse, Angelo Cataldi or Missy.
I don’t live in Philly, never have but really? Is this what you guys have to deal with all the time? Aloha…
Believe it or not, a report Friday stated buzz is beginning to circulate about Chip Kelly being destined to coach the Tennessee Titans. -CSN Philly
I think Florio started that, actually
Like as soon as “Withe the second… M…” was out of Goddell’s mouth last night.
Chip Kelly for Ken Whisenhunt and 5 1st round picks?
“Nah, stay with me on planet earth…” -Sonny
it’s really horrible in philly
Clock is ticking on Riley’s career, but we will eventually need to add a big body WR like DGB for example, to replace the Big Body Coop brings to our WR corp… So while our arsenal of WRs is starting to take shape nicely,mInassume next year we will add another young WR in the draft who will be bigger then Jordan…. Who knows, maybe we get Riley’s big body replacement in these next rounds…
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While Riley’s days as a starting WR for the Eagles are numbered, he still has a role for us to fill this year. hopefully we can get him going a little more then last year.
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I’m excited about our young toys too, and I look forward to axing Coops contract off our Cap, But as of RIGHT NOW, Riley is still probably our best jump ball threat, the biggest, strongest WR we have. Hopefully, the young bucks take more and more of his snaps and he gets demoted to a red zone weapon.
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As much as we don’t like Coop, he is still probably one of the best blocking WRs in the NFL, and with a QB coming back from injury and the most expensive stable of RBs in the NFL, I assume we want to get back to a balanced 50-50 split pass/run ratio..
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If our healthy line lets us get back to pounding the rock 50% of the snaps, Riley Cooper becomes a very valuable WR 50% of the time…
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Of course he makes way too much to be kept as a blocking WR.. But at least he brings some value to our offense this year while our puppies grow up a bit.
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Be surprised if Coop survives past this year, and if he does I assume he has to take a major pay cut and a backup role to have any chance in lasting past this season
If Devin Funchess slips to Rd 3, it wouldn’t shock me….
It wouldn’t shock me if he dropped to the 5th.
Agreed. If Funchess is an option we might as well split Ertz out wide.
Doesn’t Tommy really like him? No, wait, that’s Funyuns.
I wouldn’t be shocked if we drafted another WR, I can just as Easiky look for the big bodies replacement next year, but Coops size will need to be replaced. Jordan can’t be our biggest WR.. Although Ertz can basically be our big WR with as athletic as he is
Play a TE instead of Cooper. Probably a better blocker and pass catcher. Not like the Eagles don’t have quality there.
waller in the 5th
Or any of the three guys already on the roster. I’d rather see Ertz in the slot in a 3-wide formation than Cooper any time and every time.
Ertz went to “blocking school” this offseason
http://articles.philly.com/2015-04-21/sports/61343762_1_zach-ertz-rob-gronkowski-eagles-coach-chip-kelly
yeah i think that was the right move for him. excited about what that could mean for the season.
He went to to blocking go school last summer too. Hopefully he graduates soon
Ian Rapoport
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Teams I hear want to come up into the early part of the 2nd round: The #Steelers, the #Seahawks, the #Falcons.
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Watch the Seahawks get Beckham or Gregory
Says a lot — and shows a gulf-sized difference with the Eagles’ approach — if Seattle takes either Green-Beckham or Gregory in Rd 2
seahawks and saints were said to be high on DGB… Titans GM called him a round 1 talent… Curious to see how early he goes in round 2
I could see that. More saints then seahwaks
Andy Reid too. wouldn’t be surprised if he reminds the Giants of Plaxico either
I think this Riley hate is a little over the top (he is a racist redneck i admit), but he is a Day 3 WR who plays Special teams and is very useful in the run game. He can find the soft spot in a zone coverage and actually has decent long speed once he can get striding.
He is not sudden and lacks close area quickness which means he struggles to beat man coverage, match him with a quality CB in tight man coverage and he will not be able to get open. However if we had any QB in the last year who could throw a back shoulder fade i think he could have done a fair bit more production.
We resigned him expecting to continue to face a whole lot of zone coverage and then the NFL d coordinators decided to go heavy press man.
IF we can force teams to play zone (run consistently and it will force it) or if Bradford can build some back shoulder throw chemistry his productivity will return to 2013 levels and justify his contract.
All true . . .
But if he catches the ball that Foles perfectly threaded past defenders and right into his hands in the North EZ of the 49ers’ Stadium . . .
Oh forget it. Foles is gone.
or saints playoff game
that’s even worse!
and THEN the Eagles extend him.
extend him right before a deep WR draft. Hopefully kelly learned from that mistake.
And making him uncutable for 2 years. Woof.
While letting a better player walk the next year because he took his money uuuuh woof
Omg your right. If ACV reads this, it will lead him to drink.
Doctor:
I understand drinking to deal with your problems is not good.
Signed, ACV
Lol, it depends on how much it is I guess.
M:
If you don’t choose to have a future in medicine, you have a very promising career awaiting you in politics!
He’s cuttable after June 1st.
No point, you pay 3 mil thus year and then 3 next for him not to play with a 5mil hit
They save a million:
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/03/will_eagles_release_riley_cooper_on_monday.html
4.8 million cap hit for Cooper to stay, or 3.8 million cap hit to go.
1 M this year but he’s still on the cap next year again
Guess I’m wrong then, rather keep him around for a year
A:
You’re making this worse with each (excellent) comment
I’ll never forget.
actually he was resigned expecting to beat man to man coverage
I agree… Just made a similar post a few min ago
He’s a bottom of the roster guy pencilled in as a starter.
It’s not like he’s Reno Mahe who was a bottom guy who stayed at the bottom of the roster (and was an adequate, if unspectacular, punt fair catcher).
Shut your mouth, he was the bestest fair catcher I have ever seen.
Reading what you said I asked myself,” Why do you hate Pooper so badly?” Some of it not his fault but 1. The Chesney concert. 2. The fact that he got paid like a #2 when he is a #4. 3. People defending him because “he is a good blocker.” 4. The comments he made about Maclin last year. 5. His inability to create any type of offense downfield. 6. The SF and NO drops. 7. He seeming lack of effort on run plays which he is so good at. Those are the reasons, just or unjust.
you forgot his hair.
Let’s be honest. His hair is great.
Once he is out of the league, he could always start his own line of conditioner products.
I agree that, speaking solely on his ability to play WR rather than his ability to NOT be a racist, the Riley hate is overblown. Some of the things he does well are extremely hard to do. He’s very very good at tracking deep balls, he’s a good red zone threat. He does have surprising long speed. He has really good hands for the most part and he is excellent at going up and snatching a ball at its highest point especially on back shoulder fades.
Regarding your assesment of the way defenses played us though you’ve got it completely backwards. In Chip’s first year, when Riley broke out and played well, teams played us almost exclusively in man coverage as they wanted to limit confusion and get lined up quickly against our fast break offense.
Chip spent the entire offseason talking about the need to get WRs that could beat man coverage. He stated that that was the number one attribute he was looking for in WRs and hinted that that was part of the reason he got rid of DeSean. He wanted WRs that could fight for contested catches against tight man coverage since
that’s almost exclusively what we saw in 2013.
Last year, in 2014, defenses adjusted and we saw far more zone coverage. We resigned Riley because we expected to continue to face a whole lot of man coverage and he was very good at making contested catches against CBs playing him in man coverage, whether he was streaking down the field and adjusting to the deep ball while keeping the close by CB out of position to make the play or by using his body to shield the CB from the ball and snatch it up high in the short to intermediate area.
Against zone coverage, Riley doesn’t have the speed to blow past a CB that’s sitting back with a cushion in a cover 3 and his strength getting off the line is inconsequential. He wasn’t very good at finding soft spots in the zone and him and Foles seemed out of synch working with the less defined and more free-lance nature of the routes run to exploit holes in zone coverage.
Finally, his once solid hands developed a case of the drops and he missed some opportunities to catch very catchable balls. His biggest asset, his ability to make excellent body control catches downfield against man coverage was taken away with zone coverage. Safeties were able to provide even more deep help to his side without DeSean to worry about and he struggled to develop timing with Foles in exploiting the short and intermediate zones. Add in a few untimely drops and he had a rather poor year. But, he still offers a decent skill set, I’d just like to see him as the 4th WR not the 2nd.
Re: Winston’s contract
Are the number picking team still allowed to sign/agree to contract with their pick before draft? Hasn’t happened the past few years, less need to with the rookie scale etc, but it would seem to me that Bucs and Winston had been talking before the draft about his contract. Is it against the CBA or something, or is it just the NFL wanting to keep the intrigue for draft night?
No but CBA makes financial aspect pretty easy. Not sure what other bells and whistles there are to negotiate.
The contracts are all pretty much pre-slotted. The only things to negotiate over is offset language. Some guys have decided to forgoe an agent and simply hire a lawyer for a couple days. Paying 5K beats forking over 10%.
someone should just shut down his twitter.
Well, .001% to 1% is a one thousand fold increase. That is skyrocketing.
He can beat out Barclay. If you are down to 3rd QB and need to win a game Tebus can not lose you the game – not sure i can say the same about Barclay at this point.
I mean if he can’t beat out a British bank then holy crap he’s bad at football.
Matt Barkley on the other hand…
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CD8xsLjUUAAjKo1.jpg
I think MM is now regretting not saying he won’t play for anyone who can’t spell his name correctly.
That is just downright sad that they send him a jersey like that. Tennessee showing why they are a dumpster fire of an organization at the moment.
It’s a joke about how Goodell mispronounced his name.
Ohhh ok I gotcha. Still wouldn’t have put it past TEN to do something like this.
I couldn’t believe he jacked up the kids name like that. Seriously, Roger??…you had one job last night…one. How the hell do you not know how to pronounce one of the top two picks’ names. He was literally the most talked about player in the entire draft by about a million light years.
That’s actually a photoshop… original picture (with correct spelling) in the series at http://www.oregonlive.com/nfl/index.ssf/2015/05/titans_kicker_challenges_marcu.html
Photoshopped, right? Please be photoshopped.
looks it, no links on the photo -it’d be viral if it was real
Adam Schefter
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La’el Collins and his reps have decided if he’s not selected tonight he will not sign a contract with a team and will renter draft next year
(Schefter obvioulsy meant to type re-enter)
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Clearly, that was the play all along.
it’s hard once you get off the hampster wheel to get back on where you thought you’d want to be.
Forget this. Edited post. Thought Collins was 24. He’s 21.
Who’s 24? All of the Collins are 21 or 22.
I give Collins credit.
1. It’s the smart economic move.
2. It’s a strong showing of confidence.
3. Sends a message to the cops in BRLA that he’s not the guy.
Guarantees him nothing. But they’re the right moves
It’s a stupid economic move.
If he’s going to sit out a year he’s not getting drafted top 10-15.
The difference between a 3rd round contract and mid late first is like 6-7 mil over the course of the contract.
He’s currently 21.
Get to FA at 25, play well, and he could be looking at a massive massive payday. He’ll recoup his short term losses tenfold. Better than waiting a year and going late first (which means his fifth year will be team option and he will hit FA at 27, so fewer big money years).
So theoretically if he plays well, he could actually make more money as a 3rd rounder.
Yes. I’d be legitimately pissed if I was taken at the end of the first round instead of first pick in the 2nd round. That 5th year option can really hurt the payout to 1st rounders over the course of a career, particularly older first rounders.
Well I don’t know if I’d be PISSED to go a day earlier, make a little more money and go to a way better team but yeah that 5th year would blow
Wayyy more money.
15 or 20 mil easy.
exactly…it’s always smarter to take the money up front and play for the most amount of contracts that have substantial signing bonuses than get the higher yearly salary with a delayed payout and putting off the chance to sign more contracts.
For now all it is, is agent talk by an agent trying to gain any type of leverage he can, in a horrible powerless position.
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With what he is going thru, bet he would be THRILLED to hear his name called tomorrow… This is his only play”….. Just another bluff in a big game of bluffing that is the draft….. I’ll believe it when he turns down a round 4 contract and sits out the year
He’s just trying to pressure teams into taking him in the 2nd round so that don’t pass up on the opportunity. I don’t think they buy his bluff.
Spend a 4th on him anyway… Money talks, he will shut up and sign in the end… Heck spend our 3rd on him, when he is cleared next week we will have the steal of The draft… Drafr Lael with our last pick tonight!!! Do it!!!
worst case you just don’t sign him.
Uuuuh wow?
What?
-_- look below
None of the Collins were drafted yet. What were the odds of this a week ago? Landon collins, Lael Collins and Jalen……. I want Lael damn it. He isn’t a suspect, what’s the problem?
They’re not going to name him a suspect without the evidence to do so. Doesn’t mean they don’t have suspicions and he’s not a person of interest.
Allegedly teams are trying to get an update before tonight…kid is a serious talent, if he had nothing to do with this I’ll be sick to miss out on him in like round 3
If his agent hadn’t said he wouldn’t sign a contract if drafted after Rd 3, I’d say spend a 5th round pick on him. That’s late enough that if info emerges that he actually may have committed the crime, you can just release him immediately and cut your losses.
Id spend a 4th on him blindly. He is that talented. If we can piss away a 4th on barkley, I’m down to risk a 4th on his talent
If Collins won’t sign, even if cleared in a couple weeks, why expend a pick on him?
Unless you don’t believe the Collins Camp.
I don’t believe he would rather wait a year to get paid over the difference of one round… What’s the difference between round 3 money and round 4 money? He is going to sit out and not play football or get paid for a year because he is getting a 4th round contract instead of a 3rd contract? I don’t buy it, and Id be willing to take the chance on what may be the best OLineman in the draft….
With what he is going thru, I’d bet he would be THRILLED to hear his name called even tomorrow . I’m not blinking over a silly agent game of chicken.
Actually, he’s probably in the best financial shape if he does not get drafted and becomes a UDFA. Then if he proves his talent on the field he’ll be in line for a big raise much earlier. So this may be an attempt to get through undrafted.
Fair point.
This! No way he turns down money and sits out for a year. After sitting out for year there’s no guarantee that he’ll get drafted any higher than the 4th round anyways. Plus the difference between 3rd and 4th round isn’t that bad. Add in the fact that he gets the money a year sooner as a 4th round pick, you have to consider the impact of a years worth of interest added to the contract if he signs this year. If he’s good enough to warrant a second contract, falling out of the first might be a blessing as he’ll get that money a year sooner, and actually two years sooner if he were to try and wait till next year to be a first round choice. This is incredibly unfortunate for him if he had nothing to do with the girls murder, but giving up a year of earning power and sitting out of football for a year is a much worse alternative to signing on as 4th round pick.
Just a silly agent grasping for straws trying to find any leverage he can get…. He will be THRILLED to hear his Name called even tomorrow..
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Can’t blink every time an a agent wants to play chicken, draft him and call his bluff, kids a beast
If he has an alibi and his cell-text records are clean and he’s not the father of this child — he’ll be okay.
Otherwise, it could be a long year.
Clearly, this is an emergency for Maury Povich
Does he have subpoena power?
He’s not the father!
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/349/1728animated_gif_not_the_father.gif
That will be one helluva “you are not the father” dance…
Maybe I’m wrong but I thought it was his kid for some reason.
You are assuming he is a suspect and there is evidence that will pop up
It’s starting to seem as though he may be. Not saying he is, but just sort of seems that way with how it’s playing out. They just don’t have the evidence to really call him a suspect, but like Greg Richards said they could still think he is without outright saying it. The kid did sort of hide from police in a way which throws up red flags. Common sense would say if you had nothing to do with it you would be in immediate contact with them.
Cops aren’t talking to him to Monday. Why the lack of urgency to talk to him if he is a suspect?
Very true. It’s just a weird situation. I’m debating whether I’m up for going for him. If you take him and he is exonerated he could possibly be the ULTIMATE steal.
NDT Scouting Kyle Crabbs notes on Nelson Agholor:
Route Running: Can struggle at times beating press but bows stems to minimize contact. Very fluid and sudden sitting down into breaks; sells false breaks well. Attacks all 3 levels of the defense.
Flexibility: Naturally flexible in the open field; throttles down at top of stems with good hip drop. Upper body mobility to reach high or wide for errant throws. Play speed not effected by turning head.
Hands: Does not have softest hands; can fight ball away from the numbers at times but has improved ability to reach up and pluck ball out of the air. Strong hands on contact to squeeze and retain catch.
Instincts: Flashes instincts to sit down in zones; however can have disconnect from QB when doing so. Miscommunication origin unclear. Very good open field running instincts to set up RAC.
Speed: Quick acceleration and very good long speed; will chew up defensive cushion quickly off the snap. Gets over top and creates large amount of acceleration when beating press.
Toughness: Plays well over H/W with physical mentality. Works over the middle well and is very chippy as a blocker. Takes chances to crack block LBs in the box.
Ball Skills: Has a nice catch radius to reach out and challenge throws. Will not win at the catch point with physicality and will not consistently make difficult receptions due to hands.
Block Ability: Needs to play with better control however overall approach is excellent. Aggressive, physical, uses hands. Needs to sit deeper with less emphasis on movement and more focus on control.
RAC Ability: Wonderful burst after the catch; very quick to accelerate. Will not physically dominate but does extend free arm to prevent clean tackle attempts. Very good short area quickness.
Effort: A+ effort player; does not take plays off regardless of pass or run. Plays through the whistle as blocker and refuses to leave yardage on the field with ball in hands
yeah he had him ranked as the 4th rated WR behind: Kevin White (8.14), Jaelen Strong (8.11), and Amari Cooper (8.00)
I had him at #4 behind Cooper, White, and Parker. I think he’s a 800-950 yards per season guy.
So you think he’s a number 2 in this league? Guess I’m a little higher on him
Key difference between Agholor and Maclin?
10 yard split:
Agholor – 1.53
Maclin – 1.58
For comparison’s sake:
Kevin White – 1.55
DeSean Jackson – 1.53
Phillip Dorsett – 1.54
Devin Smith – 1.56
This is extremely interesting. Good stats.
The alarming thing about this La’el Collins situation is the lack of coordination and involvement between LSU and the Baton Rouge PD.
LSU *is* Baton Rouge.
How has Les Miles not called in a favor through the various back channels that I assure you are available to get the police to meet with La’el expediently enough to not crater his draft stock?
Imagine that La’el is found 100% innocent of any wrong-doing – How bad does this make Les Miles and LSU look in the eyes of potential recruits? How can they not be calling in every favor possible to help clear Collins’ name?
Unless they know something we don’t.
This is why I don’t think you can take a flier on him. I hope I’m wrong, and this is all just a really unfortunate confluence of events, but I absolutely do not understand why the police aren’t interviewing him *today.*
You want a football coach to get involved in a murder investigation?
I want a football coach to use his influence to push the Baton Rouge PD to interview his player today instead of Monday.
Yeah, that’s getting involved. That’s some bad juju right there. I wouldn’t put it past Les Miles, but only because I have a low opinion of him.
No. It’s not.
And if I was being recruited by LSU, and I saw this go down, and La’el Collins is totally innocent, I would notice.
But why would I go to LSU if I didn’t know he would bail me out if I ever killed someone
I don’t know if you’re being sarcastic enough or not.
Miles shouldn’t “bail him out.”
But he should expedite the process of getting his kid out of trouble if he believes he is innocent. If he’s guilty of something then the interview will make that abundantly clear as well.
It’s literally picking up the phone to make a call and saying “Hey, can you talk to La’el today so he doesn’t lose millions of dollars?”
Not saying it doesn’t happen, but the police department shouldn’t let third parties influence the pace of their investigation. There shouldn’t be any special favors for LSU atheletes.
Agreed, but I’m talking real world.
And I’m not suggesting LSU do anything illegal or even questionable. Simply get them to talk to the kid before the draft.
Everything about the situation just stinks to me, and I’m having a hard time understanding it, particularly the timing on various fronts.
He does look like someone who runs at full speed on every play.
Two guys similar to Agholor- Marquis Lee and Allen Robinson were taken in the 2nd round last year. Goes to show how weak the bottom half of this draft was.
I like Agholor a lot more than Marquis Lee.
Agholor is also a 98% match-up to Reggie Wayne…so there’s that.
My top 5 for the 2nd round:
1. Eric Rowe
2. TJ Clemmings
3. Ali Marpet
4. Quinton Rollins
5. Jake Fisher
My top 5 for the 3rd round:
1. Bryce Petty
2. PJ Williams
3. Chris Conley
4. Paul Dawson
5. Maxx Williams
I would be so happy with Rowe, Conley, and a OL
anyone come up for a name for this kid yet?
the full nelson?
no seriously?
agholor?
Over at Birds 24/7, we are throwing Cardinal Nelson around. Mostly a play on the Pope Jordan theme.
Should just use Bishop then jeez
yeah but those commenters suck
You’re not lying Botto. If Sheil wasn’t such an excellent writer there would be no need to visit that blog. The commenters are beyond terrible.
its like arguing with giants fans or something. they hate the eagles over there
Especially the ones over there that post over here sometimes. Those guys are the worst.
never heard of ’em
The nerve of some people!
Awkward
“Nightcrawler”
oh yeah I saw you write that, but why?
not the Nigerian nightmare?
i’ll go with nightcrawler.
Also from 24/7. Lord Nelson.
“Horatio Nelson, 1st Viscount Nelson, KB (29 September 1758 β 21 October 1805) was a British flag officer in the Royal Navy. He was ****noted for his inspirational leadership and superb grasp of strategy and unconventional tactics, which resulted in a number of decisive naval victories,**** particularly during the Napoleonic Wars.”
Listening and watching all these interviews with Agholor, and suddenly it’s obvious why Chip picked him. This is a Chip Kelly guy to the core.
What time is draft tonight?
7 pm
7pm
Gracie
Time for you to get a Draft Watch! Zing!
Not sure if I said this or not but whoever drafts Strong is getting a steal in the second.
True that he is a Cowboys fan?
Idk. He grew up near Philly Didn’t he?
Yes he did.
He’s a bandwagon loser if he’s a Cowboys’ fan.
Yea, but I heard that he grew up a Cowboys fan. Despicable.
Undraftable.
Titans or Jets is my guess.
Maybe Jags
Feeling a surprise pick tonight at a position not perceived as a high need. Thinking TE or DL.
Mad Maxx Williams.
He would be a great pick if he is there at 52, i cannot see him being there – only complete TE in this entire class.
I was thinking more Rd 3 for a TE than Rd 2. Jeff Heuermann seems like a really good fit to me. I also remember reading somewhere that the Eagles liked Tyler Kroft.
There are a range of guys who i think the Eagles target, but there Williams is the only player who i think can be total all round guy in the old school mould.
Not a #culture fit. Bad interviews, per reports.
Yeh. Dnt want him, just giving him a cool nickname.
Still think we end up Draftimg TE Jesse James…
Preston Smith if he falls.
Henry Anderson maybe.
wow.
wow
Wow
wow
(I spelled it backwards to be different).
MOM
But if he is drafted and doesn’t sign, doesn’t he go into next year’s draft? I think they’d most prefer to be undrafted (which is probably their ploy), as that would let him sign a short prove-it contract and get paid big after that.
Gabriel is wrong.
Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo
57m
57 minutes ago
NFL CBA states a player who refuses to sign w/ team that drafts him can be drafted by any other team the next year
If you go to Garafolo’s timeline, he posts a copy of the CBA confirming the actual language.
Perhaps this is why Gabriel is no longer employed by an NFL team.
Thanks, interesting situation
so there’e hope for mariota after all?
Exactly. Bo Jackson.
He is going to sign anyway.. This is just a lame attempt grasping at straws for some type of leverage in a terrible situation..
Colts cut Josh Cribbs.. He is a pure ST guy. Can’t play offense, so I assume chip will offer him 5mil deal by the end of the weekend π
Albert Breer
β@AlbertBreer
24s25 seconds ago
Names to watch early on in Round 2: Pitt OT TJ Clemmings, Oregon OT Jake Fisher, Ohio State WR Devin Smith, Arizona State WR Jaelen Strong.
Hironiss Grasu…..
Chuck Norris…..
Ian Rapoport
β@RapSheet
31s32 seconds ago
Teams to watch for QBs like Petty, Mannion, Hundley and Grayson in 2nd and 3rd rounds: The #Saints, #Rams, #Bills, and #Packers.
foles just can’t get away from young guys nipping at his heals can he?
come on Jeff fisher, you don’t need no stinking back up, you got Nick already
Fisher is just allergic to adding offensive lineman. Foles has no shot behind the worst oline in the league.
New post up ^^
Thank you but you never told me where your avatar is from :/
If we are amart enough to get thru tonight without trading away any of our talent, a bunch of key players will be safe… Tomorrow the only players we would have to worry about being traded are Boykin or Mathis really. Doubt we would accept 4th round picks for Mkal, Vinny or Fletcher… I just need to get they tonight with no trades and chips the man as far as I’m concerned!!
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Breaking news: Eagles traded Riley Cooper straight up for Micheal Floyd…..lol you wish!
So Vinny Curry was called by Chip before the draft that he was not going to be dealt. I assume the same happened with Fletcher Cox.
Boykin and Kendricks were apparently not called….