Minicamp is in the Books
Posted: June 19th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 215 Comments »The Eagles concluded a mandatory minicamp on Thursday and will be off for about the next 6 weeks. That’s just enough time for Sam Bradford to come all the way back from his ACL tear, Marcus Smith to remember he’s a former 1st round pick with big potential and the Eagles to build a RG from body parts found in local graveyards (after midnight, of course).
Chip Kelly said in his PC that there aren’t any conclusions to be found at this time of the year. He’s wrong, dead wrong. I know exactly what will happen with this team, but I’ll keep those answers to myself. If I tell you what’s going to happen, you’ll just get bored (until Matt Tobin turns into the TD machine, that is).
Let’s talk about some players and situations.
OG – Allen Barbre is the LG. The RG spot is wide open. Tobin, Andrew Gardner and Dennis Kelly are the 3 primary candidate, but Chip also mentioned Kevin Graf this week. Graf has the size and physicality to play inside. His limited athleticism is less of an issue in there.
The Eagles hope to be choosing the player who looks the best. It is possible they’ll have to settle for the player who sucks the least.
QB – Sam Bradford gets healthier each week. He’s throwing the ball well and definitely looks the part of a starting QB. Mark Sanchez has moments when he looks like a good starting QB. The issue for him is consistency, both from game to game and within games. Sanchez really wants to push Bradford for the starting job. Matt Barkley is the pleasant surprise at QB. I thought he was as good as gone, but Barkley has taken a big step forward. Maybe the light finally went on for him. Tim Tebow? He continues to be a work in progress. Tebow needs to look a lot better in Training Camp to seriously challenge for a roster spot.
WR – Jordan Matthews doesn’t sound at all like a guy who will have a sophomore slump. He’s working as hard as ever. Nelson Agholor continues to impress everyone who goes to practice. He shows speed and good receiver skills. Josh Huff looks improved. The question with him is how good he’ll be. Key role player? Starter? We’ve heard a lot of good things about Miles Austin, both as a player and mentor. A darkhorse to watch…Seyi Ajirotutu. Jimmy Bama has mentioned him a few times and a couple of other writers have as well (their lack of Pulitzers keeps me from mentioning names).
ILB – This spot is so deep that Brad Jones and Emmanuel Acho began taking a lot of reps with the OLBs. Kiko Alonso isn’t showing any signs of being a player on the mend from an ACL tear. Mychal Kendricks went from a player who was sure to be traded to one who had a good spring and is on track to start again. DeMeco Ryans is ahead of schedule in his injury comeback. We heard very little about rookie Jordan Hicks, but I think that is strictly because most eyes were on the big 3. Najee Goode has made a few plays in practice. He went from being the #3 guy to someone fighting for a roster spot. He will battle for his job.
DB – So far, so good for Byron Maxwell, the Eagles highly paid savior at CB. For once, it seems like money well spent. Nolan Carroll is the other starter for now, although that is in very light pencil. Rookie Eric Rowe and JaCorey Shepherd are going to fight for that job. Brandon Boykin has been told he will have a shot at the job. We’ll see about that.
Walter Thurmond moved from CB to FS and seems to be fitting in well. He looks to be the starter opposite of Malcolm Jenkins. Jerome Couplin has gotten some reps with the starters and Chip Kelly said some good things about him this week. Ed Reynolds needs to step up in a big way if he’s going to win a roster spot, let alone a starting job. Earl Wolff has yet to come back from his injury. There is a disconnect between him and the coaching staff. Chris Maragos and Chris Prosinski are in Year 2 of the scheme and that could help them push for time on defense. I think of Maragos as purely a STer. I need to see Prosinski this summer before making any judgments with him.
Jaylen Watkins was going to be a S and then got moved back to CB. I would think they want him at S with Wolff out, but the Eagles put him at CB. Then he did play some at S this week. The Eagles like versatile players, but you have to wonder if all that change hurts Watkins ability to develop.
Many expected Rowe to end up playing S for the Eagles, but they’re adamant about him playing CB for now. They think he can be a star on the outside. I think he’s an ideal fit for this scheme at CB so I’d leave him there. EJ Biggers is another guy that can play inside or outside. We haven’t heard much about him recently. I think he is still working at CB.
Things are unsettled at DB, but I like the depth and the talent of the overall group. There are going to be some growing pains as this group gets used to each other, but there is more potential here than with the secondaries of recent years.
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I find myself optimistic at every position but OG. There is zero evidence going into the season that Barbre at LG and the mishmosh of “players” at RG are going to play. These guys are going to need to prove in regular season football that they can actually block in an excellent manner.
You aren’t wrong…. But as long as these guys get to play with Lane and Peters on Ome side, and Kelce lined up next to them on the other side, I’m happy to take our chances with the Guards our coaches have been growing for YEARS
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When chip thinks you can’t play, you are gone… He shows he has no trouble making a bunch of changes,, we have Guards who chip invested 3 summers into, there is a reason he thought they were worth continuing to invest in…. If Chip kept you on a roster for 3 years, I would assume he sees something in you
And, why not?
@ Atl – win
vs. Dallas – WIN
@ NYG – win
@ Washington – win
vs. New Orleans – win
vs. NY Giants – win
@ Carolina – win
Bye
@ Dallas – loss
vs. Miami – win
vs. Tampa – win
@ Detriot – win
@ New England – loss
vs. Buffalo – win
vs. Arizona – win
vs. Washington – win
@ NYG – win
So we’re not going 14-2 ,but I can’t find actual losses besides at Dallas and at New England.
I’m sure we’ll find another 3 games or so to lose to finish 11-5. But the MUST win games are
Dallas here, @ Carolina, both Giants games, Arizona here.
I guess I’ll condescend into losses at NY Jets, @ Detroit, and one mystery game.
But I like 11-5. I demand 11-5.
Hopefully 11-5 is;
division win, 3rd seed, home playoff win vs. Arizona, road playoff loss vs. Green Bay.
we never win every game ‘we are supposed to’. which winable game(S) will we lose ?? could have easily been 11-5 last year .. looks like 10-6 again and a dice roll if we get in
You’re not wrong, I just need them to win those 5 games I have listed as must win. Dallas here is self-explanitory, Carolina is “quarterbacked” by a complete piece of crap and their defensive “coordinator” is a massive piece of crap as well, the Giants are the team we play that I hate the most by far especially due to their arrogant fan base, and Arizona has become our new arch enemy.
So 10-6 or 11-5 with winning all of those 5 games we MUST win and getting a division title should be a good season.
I think you are worried about the panthers ..yup that’s the one. me too
I’m not worried about the Panthers, I just hate them due to Scam Newton and idiot McDermott. We successfully beat them down last year and should do so again. I just can’t stomach a loss in that game. Period.
Panthers is the last team I worry about… Our defensive front Dominated Cam…
good point.
I think id worry about getting beat deep.
and O not carrying its share
Don’t sleep on the ‘Fins, Tannehill isn’t bad and the team is becoming disciplined for the first time in like two decades…
I’ll play along. 14-2, why not? (But I refuse to consider one of the losses will be to the Cowboys). So much of pro football is a mental game. There’s so much parity in the NFL that it’s not necessarilly the better team that wins, rather, it’s the more motivated team. If a couple of pieces fall into place, Chip could have this team running on mojo all the way into a 1st round bye. 14-2, yea, a boy can dream.
I just see 14 “should” win games on that schedule, but I know it won’t happen. Outside of New England, I don’t have any respect for the teams we play.
I think 11 +/- 1 is a safe estimate “IF” we get close to a full season of healthy Bradford.
bills, Miami, Arizona, Saints, could be tough games,,
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when you don’t have a top QB, the blue print to alternate way of Contending is Dominant Dfense, top rated Run game, turn your QB into a game manager.
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very smart for Chip to call the Bills offering up Shady. Rex Ryan knows he has a top defense and that his QB is TRASH.. For as great as the Bills defense was kSt year, they were the ONLY team that didn’t have a 100yard rusher ALL SEASON.. shady should be a BIG Addittion for a team trying to contend without good QB play… Fortunately for the Eagles, the last thing we have to fear is opposing running games..we been shutting down top rushiñg attacks for like the past season and a half now, and this year our run defense will reach Elite status, with the puppies being a year more mature and the addition of the FORCE that is Kiko Alonso!!!
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we have to beat the Cardinals… My heart can’t handle that loss…we should have beat them 3 years in a Row which would have been so awesome…they stole a win thanks to Nate and Cary, both gone and Upgraded…
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Miami should be Solid…
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jets should be a tough team other then the QB
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Annoyed that we aren’t playing Greenbay again, but I’ll take my revenge on Saints and Cardinals thank you very much
buffalo doesn’t scare me at all. Personally I think shady will struggle mightily behind that less than adequate O line.
Miami is looking better, but I have higher expectations for our offense and just think Bradford will be ready, willing and able to resurrect his career the moment he steps onto the field.
And I feel our defense is probably one of the best suited defenses in the league to shut down Miami’s offense.
The Jets….ummm no. They won’t be able to hold our jockstraps, let alone score points other than a couple of FG’s, just to save from being shutout.
Arizona is another team that I feel we will own, call it east coast bias if you want, but I think the Eagles will be pumped for that game and will be running out the clock midway through the third quarter.
The Saints really played poorly last season and now they lost jimmy graham, and they are still hurting from losing two key players, namely Sproles and Jenkins, so I think we get some payback in that game as well.
All of this hinges on several players playing well and staying healthy but I am really optimistic about our defense winning games this season, and I can’t recall feeling that way about our D in a long, long time.
Me? I am thinking a 14-2 season, with Chip, once again blowing the collective minds of the NFL.
It will be nice winning our first home playoff game in years and who knows, if everything just clicks and falls into place, we could be in for a wild ride and contend in the NFC CG.
In a perfect world, Sam Bradford wins comeback player of the year, the Eagles MVP , and all three RB’s break 1k yards and our beloved Eagles finally earn their first trophy that we all have been wanting and hoping for since we were born.
Sheesh, the way I see it, if Russell Wilson can do it, why can’t Sam?
My hopes are through the roof, this I know but man if all this happens, who would be mad?
I would absolutely love to see Shepherd impress so much during TC that Chip HAS to start him. Naturally, he’d hit a rough patch at some point, but the Eagles fan base would be ecstatic. If we can nail down right CB, I’m not even sure it matters who the 2nd safety is. Our D could be better than it has been since Dawkins was a rookie.
I hear nothing but good things about Thurmond’s adjustment to the safety position. Very encouraging on that front.
It is, only concern is there is no contact. Have to see how he does with the physical side but it’s good sign his instincts are showing already
Considering the “starter” he’s replacing has poor instincts and was not good at the physical side of things as well; he won’t be that bad if we’re comparing to 2014.
Combine Nate Allen and Walter Thurmond and you get Nate Thurmond.
Who would be the best center in the NBA today.
Nate definitely didn’t set the bar very high for his replacements….
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What Drove me crazy about nate, seems he lost confidence and gets gunshy, he sees it, but is hesitant to pull the trigger and try and make a play. He is too worried about giving up a big play… Which is really maddening to me… If you are playing scared, and you refuse to play an attack style, trusting your self to try and make a play, you should at least not be giving up big plays… If you are afraid to play the position aggressive, at least you should be in position to never give up a big play, yet Nate won’t attack, and he still gives up big plays… It’s maddening…
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if Thurmond is going to get beat, go get beat because you were aggressive and tried to make a play on the ball..
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I don’t think I can point to a more maddening contract then the Nate Allen deal. He was a free agent the year before, and no One wanted him. the Raders could have signed hIm for peanuts last year before he came back to us on a 1yr deal.. This year it’s like the Raiders bid against themselves…. I would LOVE to have drinks with Nate Allen’s agent and hear his drunken thoughts about the Raiders off the record… When he saw the Raiers offer, he must have thought it was a mistake.. Probably forged Nate Allens name on the contract to sign it fast enough before the Raiders could change the offer lol
Seems to me he was always a pretty good tackler.
which always comes with the asterisk
“Seems to me he was always a pretty good tackler*.”
*for a cb
But he was in Seattle, all their DB’s had to be able to tackle if they wanted to get on the field, he probably won’t be the worst tackling safety in the league.
Yep. What he wasn’t that good at if I remember right was jamming guys on the line.
Really freakish long arms… Big under rated weapon of his..
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If Thurmond stays healthy, I expect him to get a new deal and remain in philly for a few more years…even as a backup, his versatility is invaluable.. Play him outside CB, DIME, NICKEL, SAFETY. if he stays healthy, is probably pay for his versatility before I would pay for Boykin
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All his experience playing inside, dealing with traffic at the Nickel spot, should make it an easier transition to safety then if we were trying to move an outside CB to safety
He has always played CB with some decent physicality, it’s true we will need to see it at Camp, but I’m not overly concerned. This coaching staff has proven that they know how to whip a defense into a good tackling defense… Practcing with THUDS instead of Tackling seems to be really good for us. it stressed and emphasizes proper technique while lowering the Eagle on Eagle crime/collisions on training camp…
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Anyone know if Andy Reid still makes his players tackle each other in training camp, or has even Andy switched to THUDS and is having his players beat on each other less then when he was in Philly.??
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Andy wouldnt mimd if training camp fights broke out…. That’s a big No No for chip. He does not believe in watching Eagles fight each other…
NOTHING better than a guy coming in and playing so well that the coaches MUST play the guy right away. No matter if the guy is a first round pick or an UDFA, I like it when they will not be denied their spot.
why do you say this about Shepherd and not Rowe? Is Shepherd further along but Rowe might be better later? just curious.
I’ll take Rowe in that scenario, really would love that too. My crude impression from watching Shepherd was he’s a natural cover corner who has only been learning technique for a couple of years, and he’s formerly a receiver who has an instinct to fight for the ball. He can be taught to press and taught to tackle better than he has shown. I think it is unlikely that he can rise to starter immediately, primarily because his tackling needs work. Whereas, Rowe looks to be a good tackler already, but as a cover CB my early sense is that Shepherd has the higher ceiling.
Jacory is still learning the position, but he actually has been a CB longer then ROWE has… ROWE was a safety Til just this past season, JaCorey has at least 2 years at Cb if I’m not mistaken
If I’m not mistaken, we have Shepard playing Inside CB, not on the outside..which surprised me
I was not aware of that, but with Kelly there is no depth chart until he tells us so… I’m guessing that Undlin wants to learn all about all of these young Turks. If Shepherd has been playing inside, it could be his introduction to that position. I’ve heard that Kelly wants versatility.
I know for certain that Shep has lined up at nickel behind Boykin because it surprised me when I saw it. Since then he could have already moved outside for all I know, but you are even if he only has been in the slot up until now, I’m sure we will eventually see him outside.. Every single CB we have has some experience inside and outside so I’m sure he will also see time at both spots at some point
I’m rerally hoping the same thing. If I’m understanding what I read correctly, the WR’s have a real advantage during these non-contact sessions. So, when I hear how impressed people are with JaCorey, that he’s making plays all over, I find it extremely encouraging. Fingers crossed! (Rowe too!)
He might be our starting slot CB if Boykin gets dealt. Let’s hope he can stay healthy. Last year Nolan Carroll was the guy until he got hurt.
Well, I suppose if you’re going to have journeymen level talent at any positions on the offense, it may as well be OG.
As far as Boykin getting a shot at playing on the outside, there may have been a bit of a change in attitude about that based on a new position coach who is more open to the idea.
I’m really looking forward to seeing what types of impacts the new DB coach will have on the position.
Boykin gets reps outside and inside every day,… But he won’t be starting on the outside..fans see that he is one of or best Corners in cover, but fail to understand we want our corners to press on the outside.Boykin is a fantastic CB in coverage, but he won’t prove to be one of our strongest two Outside CB in press…
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And moving Boykin outside would be a silly tease any way… That outside spot is being baby sat until ROWE is ready to take over. That spot has ROWEs name on it.. Be a slap in the face to move Boykin outside and 6 weeks later have a rookie take his spot… If a boykin wants to contend on the top defense we are building in this city, he needs to stop listening to media dopes and be happy being the best Nickel in the game
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I really find it laughable when people say boykin is automatically gone because he is looking for big money to play on the outside..LOL… Good luck kid, if he can find a team to pay him big money to play outside when the team doesn’t have more then 5 reps to see how he played outside in the last 4 years, God bless him.. Not to mention mpre and more teams want to press on the outside, and NO ONE is giving Boykin big bucks because they think he can play press… We may lose Boykin after the season, but I don’t believe it’s the foregone conclusion people make it out to be… Why anyone would want to piss away having the best Nickel in the game, so that they can make him an OK outside CB I will never understand.. Especially a city that should know better after seeing how important Al Harris and Joeselio Hansen were for us, and TODAYS he Nickel is 10 times more important than when they manned the slot for us
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If Boyin wants to leave, so be it, re sigń Thurmond, move him in Nickel, and pay Tashuan Gipson or George Illoka to be the perfect fit at safety for our scheme,,. But I’m not ready to assume this is Boykins last year, but he won’t be an outside CB in this city…. Maxwell amd ROWE are the outside CBs of this new era of eagle football.. We can keep boykin in the slot while ROWE is still on his cheap rookie contract, ROWE, MAXWELL and Boykin give us a fantastic group of starting CB, best we had in a LONG TIME.. Jenkins is the perfect safety…. Hopefully Thurmond can surprise us, if not go after Illoka or Gipson in free agency..l McCoury found it hard to leave the Patrots, net Gipson would be happy to leave Cleveland, can’t be too hard to get Illoka to leave Cincinatti…both are playing out their contract year without an extension and are DREAM fits for what are coaches look for in safeties
don’t forget there is some depth behind them as well at DB. I think people forget the level of talent on this team when Chip took over and the level now, all while running a meritocracy.
Can we now legitimately put the Wolff starting notion out of its misery? Come August, he may conceivably be playing behind not only Jenkins and Thurmond, but also Reynolds, Couplin, Maragros, and Prosinski. How many DBs is the team going to keep?
8, 9, or 10.
Tough to predict. 10 Seems right. Maxwell, Carroll, Rowe, Sheppard, Thurmond, Jenkins, Couplin, Maragos, Boykin, Watkins.
They keep 4 spots for safety, so that means Wolff is banking on beating out one of Couplin/Maragos. So he either needs to outplay Couplin or be better than Maragos on ST. Not out of the realm of possibilities.
Maragos is a lock to make this roster, him and Braman are our ST captains.. I could see Maragos being kept as the 5th safety instead of only keeping 4 safeties, since he is really a ST player
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I don’t believe Maragos and Braman have to beat out Saeties and OLBs to make this roster,… They are safe..
Wolff did some individual drills this past week, but he still spent most of his time with the trainers.
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This kid thinks he just has to get healthy and in camp he will prove that he is so good that not only will chip keep him. But he will win the starting posituon over Thurmond…. Basically the kid is Delusional… Wolff could grow into a solidNFL player, but I doubt that will happen in Philly at this point, sadly,..
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Hope im wrong, the kid has Talent and ability, but I doubt he is going to make this rosters.. Shame, wasted pick… The talent is there, talent isn’t enough
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I think the only way wolff has a shot to make this team is if Thurmond goes down with a serious injury
If he makes it to TC. IF he’s healthy i think he can at least outperform the bottom of the roster. He’s really athletically talented, he better have put in the study time to have this D down Pat. That’s where he should be leading people — helping new kids understand language / coverages etc.
He seems really confident in his command of this defense, he claims to be banking on all the extra film work he did with Malcolm Jenkins this year, and claims that all he has to do is get that knee healthy, and with his new understanding of the defense due to the hard work he invested. He sounds confidemt that he will fly around in TC and put on a show,,
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Will that be enough to makke chip forget about all the time he spent off the field? I worry….. If other young safeties have grown enough throughout the process to impress chip and make hm want to continue investing in their growth and development, Wolff is in big trouble….. if all the young backüp Safies are struggling, none are really stepping up and impressing, while Wolff puts on a show, maybe he can save his eagle career… I hope..
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I worry that he has NO MORE ROOM FOR ERROR! Training camp and the preseason is Physical, and not ONLY will Wolff have to perform and standout, but he has to stay on the field. if he tries to sit out of a TC practice, or sits out a preseason game. I think he is gone… And this is a physical game, maybe he does get legit hurt and has to sit out a week during training camp, I worry that Wolff has used up his “Sick days”.. Healthy or Not, if he doesn’t get and stay on the field for the Rest of this offseason. If he misses 1 more day, I think HE is gone…. Doubt he has any margin for error left, even if the Eagles staff misdiagnosed him…
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I really believe in the kids talent… Really hope I’m wrong
Agree — no more room, he better live at the facility these 6 weeks.
He better stay on the field and fight they any injury in camp and preseason
To take a crack at the final roster numbers (without names just yet)
QB -3
Rb – 3 (6)
TE – 3 (9)
WR – 6 (15)
OL – 10 (25)
K/P/LS 3 (28)
DL 6 (34)
LB 8 (42)
DB 10 (52)
That leaves a spot for an extra DL or LB possibly. Maybe one more RB if we only keep 9 on the OL.
This is really going to be tough 53 to predict.
I think 4 RB’s. Last season they carried 4 TE, and Kelly did voice the possibility that since TE is back to 3 that maybe they go 4 at RB. With M&M injury issues, it would make sense.
As long as that 4th RB isn’t POS Barner, we’re all good.
What is wrong with Barner?
Quack. Undeserving of roster space over Josey. Quack.
Henry Josey who took his talents to the CFL? Gotcha
Better than Barner who has none.
He was so good that CK had to blackball him os he wouldn’t play for any other team.
If Trey Burton stays I could see him as “Emergency RB”
I don’t mind using him there. I’d rank the options as follows
1) Tucker
2) Burton
3) Mostert
3,293,434,310) Barner
Burton is Def making the roster. Maybe some UDFA can open eyes as a backup TE, but none of the UDFA TE will be a better ST contributor then Burton, who also has emergency RB versatility..
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I’d be shocked if Burton doesn’t make this team..
Either way I think we can save an extra roster spot for an extra body on defense/OL
I share his last name, and my entire Family has been rooting for him since training camp last season.
If he makes the team, as I suspect he will, I will definitely be getting his jersey.
I love the way that kid plays as well and he is a prime example of hard work and dedication, and epitomizes what it means to be an Eagle.
The only way I see 4 RBs on the roster is if #4 is a special teams monster. We’ve got a surplus of back of the roster WRs and DBs though, so I can’t see that being necessary.
Yeah, we seem to have a glut of guys who can really play special teams well. Nice problem to have.
Raheem Mostert is a great return guy, he might have a chance. Insane speedster too.
Led FBS in kickoff return yard average last year. About the only bright spot for my Boilermakers last year.
Bair is going to be very tough for Azz and Chip to cut… Bet he makes it as the 7th DL
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And I think they keep 9 LBs.. 4 OLBs, 4 ILBs, and Braman as the 9th who is really just a ST player
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Just like Maragos will be a 5th safety even tho he is really a ST player
Only 6 more weeks of completely baseless speculation! I look forward to the insane narratives our most prolific commenter can create in that time.
If we’re going to have speculation, isn’t baseless the gold standard?
Hewhoshallnotbenamed is most certainly not the gold standard.
vote for the DONALD in 2016… jk…
No way, he’s a Giants fan.
Better than that overripe tomato who parties on the Jerruh Jones bus.
Fu*k him and Arians
Kind of a doofus move, if you’re the gov of NJ to be caught partying it up with Jerruh multiple times. There’s gotta be a measurable % of votes that moved because of that…
He makes me miss Herman Cain…
Just to hear him fire someone publicly could make it worth it.
Probably been discussed here but I haven’t had time to breath at work much less get my blitz fix. Is there any interest in John Moffitt? Another redemption story possibly? Low NFL miles. Looks like he anchors pretty well and can make blocks in space, as well as pull half decently.
Should we give him a look?
I wouldnt be opposed to it. I think College Chip would give him a second chance, but I don’t think NFL Chip is interested in him.
What were his “off the field” problems that led him to retire? I’m a tad concerned that he’s a drug addict or a nut case.
Drugs… For him to want to comeback, I assume he has taken care of the drug problem, he knows he will be scrutinized to the fullest, hopefully he is smart enough not to attempt a comeback if he is still battling those Deamons
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A 320lb Mauler in the run game, might not be the perfect style fit, but he is an NFL talent, which Molk is not… I’d rather have Mofit as a backup center then anyone we currently have on our Bench… Having some girth at the backüp center position ISNT the worst thing in the world
According to Glaszer those demons are behind him.
I think it was ACViking who labeled him “lead footed” and linked to measurables. Doesn’t look like Stoutland/Kelly guy.
Has anyone heard of any of the UDFA WR’s looking good consistently? Hoping one steps up to take the 6th/7th spot. Matthews, Agholor, Huff, Cooper, Austin, Ajeritoutou(or whatver the hell his name is)/UDFA WR.
I believe all of them looked better than Cooper.
Interested to see if ANY of them can block as well…
I hope Huff can block that well so we can render Cooper officially needless.
None of the UDFA WRs will make the roster, even tho I like a couple of them… The position is too deep.
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Figure if Huff,and Agholor are ready to contribute, by the end of the year Coop, Austin and Tutu could be the #4,#5 and #6 Wrs.. With the 3 youngbucks we need veterans in that meeting room… I just don’t see any way any of the UDFA WR can make this roster.. Hopefully we can sneak 1 or 2 onto the practice squad.
that’s a bummer I was hoping harris and davis would be on the team.
I like there potential, I’m hoping we can sneak them on our practice squad, continue to grow throughout the year so next summer they can replace Coop when we can get out of his contract and old man Miles..
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Even if they don’t make the roster they shouldn’t be discouraged. Keep their eye on the prize understanding that Coop may not be here next summer and Miles is an Oldhead who has had trouble staying healthy
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Even if they aren’t Eagles this year, they still could fight there way onto the 2016 roster
Barring injury, top 6 is as close to set as you can get this time of year. We will be cutting much better players than in recent years.
Just bought my tickets to the week 9 game at Dallas…Me and my daughter, all our Eagle swag and probably a little too much to drink will be there to support our boys in Green.
“Cry ‘Havoc,’ and let slip the dogs of war;
That this foul deed shall smell above the earth
With carrion men, groaning for burial.”
“Hogs of war!”
“…dogs, of war.”
“Whatever farm animal of war!”
Birds of war…
I freaking lover Archer! That show is GREAT!!! He is like a mixture between James Bond and a grown up Cartman.
Archer is my favorite show maybe ever, shit is hysterical. Shame it started falling off towards the end of the 3rd season…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=930KadF_78Q
For reference
Represent! Also, great avatar.
The most Important thing that people take for granted, we ,are it thru OTA and minicamp without anyone going down with a horrible injury,… That’s BIGTIME if you look around at all the injuries around the league so far…
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I look forward to a CULTURE where I hope I don’t have to worry about these players getting arrested the next 6 weeks. This group knows better then to show up for camp out of shape.. Hopefully guys work out smart these next 6 weeks, stay healthy, come back in August ready to put in the work for a special season…..
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Gotta get thru the summer healthy, it would be HUGE for us..
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bradford is healthier then we think.. I believe that 100%, they are just holding him back taking it slow…cHip talked about how the Injury Rehab phase is over, now is just the Performance Rehab, giving bradford a little more each week to build up to a full go 6 weeks from now…. If the injury rehab is over, that Knee is ready to go… They are just being smart and taking it slow, after he rushed back last time and he got hurt again…
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Just give me injury luck similar to 2013 and I can live with the results.. If we lose I hope we are beat at our best. I don’t have it in me to sit thru another injury disaster like last year.. Want to see what this group can do at full strength, I view this as the mos talented roster we have had in years
Good point about health, it feels like the Eagles got more healthy through minicamp. Which is tremendous, seems like there were so many devastating injuries on so many other teams.
As for culture keeping the Eagles out of trouble, Never underestimate the youngest guys coming out of a hyper-structured environment and into an environment of complete self-regulation and lots of time. That’s the biggest difference between young guys and veterans. Jordan Matthews and Nelson Agholor can obviously handle it, but I can’t put anything past the other young guys.
Very true about the young kids… The one thing I’m banking on, is not only does chip sigń veteran leaders, he has drafted young players like ERTZ and Pope who really take it serious to lead thru example. these kids are stepping up and the MOST,IMPORTANT thing is the impact their example must have on the other young players… These young WRs have been here a year or Two and Jordan Mathews has set the Bar extremely high for young WR’s trying to make this team. some days it has to suck to be Devante Davis, or Huff or whatever young WR and be dead tired, yet this Psycho young stud WR is still working like a maniac… A young WR doesn’t act and work right, Jordan Mathews is going to make you look really bad. The bar he sets, if you don’t keep up, you are going to look really bad in the eyes of coaches and veteran teammates… The best part is with all that said, he isn’t a selfish kid, he isn’t trying to make the other young WR look bad, he encourages them and tries to motivate them to raise their work ethic, and he leads by getting the group together for extra work, offering himself as a selfless resource to rookie UDFAs and Agholor..
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poor Josh Huff was traded with this energetic ADD psycho workaholic. Jordans presence has to push Huff. It has to, It’s human nature… A kid like Huff can’t afford a Lazy day because the way the Pope works, you are going to stick out like a sore thumb, and not look very good,..
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ERTZ elevated his work ethic to elite status, and now he is always talking about how he wants to be a leader and set the right example for our young players… Assume there will be a bunch of different groups of players who will spend a few weeks working out together… Of course guys go to specialized training fascilitate all across the country to get the best training… For example ERTZ and Sproles will be together in I think it’s San Diego,..jordan is always somewhere like atlanta working out with Megatron and some of the top WR… I’m sure jordan has offered an invite to Agholor or some of the other young WR….
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Peer pressure is REAL… It can be a horrible thing, or you can do what chip has done, weaponize peer pressure and use it to your advantage…if you get arrested, behave selfishly, not take your training serious, you are going to stick out like a sore thumb in this locker room, you won’t find a veteran who thinks your crap is funny Or cool, or no big deal… These veterans expect you to put in the work and help them…you hear Barwin told MS2 at the end of last season, to forget about all the noise “As far as I’m concerned, what I need from you is to put on the weight and get your body where it needs to be”… Few months later we see stories that MS2 has added 15-20lbs of muscle.. Young kids look around and it’s not going to be easy to make this roster. If you are just going to piss it all away by doing something stupid in the outside world these next 6 weeks, you might as well stop working hard, because you won’t be tolerated here… Especially if you are a young player… Because all our best Young players won’t tolerate that.. ERTZ, Lane, Bennie, Pope, Kendricks, Curry, Boykin, Cox,. These are good kids, who are all about the game, and putting in the work chasing greatness.. That’s a lot of peer pressure to work hard, stay out of trouble and be all about the team for rookies like Agholor and ROWE…. And if you are one of the later Round rookies or UDFA’s, when you see the way the top picks Agholor and ROWE act and carry themselves, you would be wasting your NFL career if you do something dumb and DONT fall in line,,
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POSITIVE PEER PRESSURE is a valuable tool…..
Two words;
Marvin Harrison
You really never know with some guys until you find out.
True…as a proud alumni of Rich Roman Catholic High athletic tradition, there were Never even rumors about any problems with Marvin off the field back in the day, no rumors during the Indianapolis Glory days… It really took everyone by surprise…
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As far as the Colts are concerned, they shouldn’t regret it… He had a hall of fame career for them, stayed out of trouble as long as he was counted on by that Organization… Money well spent… What he does afterwards, Godbless… Hopefully we can get as lucky as the colts did with Marvin
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I was thinking along the very same thought pattern.
Two words: Shaun Huls
Is it possible that ALL of our players are benefiting from our “Sports Science and RE Conditioning program?
GEAGLE was just referencing how lucky we are to have almost everyone healthy after OTA’s and Mandatory mini-camp.
Is it all just luck? I think not.
Agreed, Jordan Matthews is tremendous for the WR room. Him there setting that standard is what will lets a guy like Nelson Agholor’s football nerd out full bore. And other guys got to embrace that or find themselves on the bench or off the team. That’s a good thing. Ertz showed a side this year I didn’t know he had. Something great is happening with a core of these young guys. A lot to like there.
I’d be curious to see what happens if one of our starters gets arrested for smoking weed, like Laveon Bell, or Todd Herremans back in the day..
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Curious to see how chip handles it,,,
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I really like Barrett Brooks in the media, but I dont know how much Chip cares enough about what people think to buy Brooks theory that:.. He said chip painted himself in a corner with all this culture talk and with the wrongful racist accusations he had to back up all this culture talk and cut Mathis or he would have looked like a hypocrite and it would fuel the people we believe the bogus racist talk, but letting Mathis openly define the culture and not cut him…. Basically he says whether or not chip wanted to keep Mathis, he gave chip no choice…..
Curious to see how chip handles it,,,they’d get cut. Anything less would be uncivilized.
Lol.. Just to be.safe, łet Cooper or Molk be the test subjects, I hate Ryan Mathews but in a backup role his talent Intruigs me…. Can’t THNK of many players I don’t like… Most of the Nate Allen’s, Bradley Fletch, Roc Camicheal type hacks have been wiped away….upgrade MOLK,Vandervvelde, Coop and Im happy… Maybe a new safety… Hard to find problems with this roster other then Guard questions if we stay healthy that is…
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How much would you Laugh If TEBOW was the player to test chip and gets himself arrested next month driving down south street, getting caught smoking a blunt…
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I’d pay to Read the headline, Chip cuts TEBOW because he didn’t fit the culture…
roc carmicheal was terrible, let’s retire his name from the boards, he was worse than fletch.
Generally safe to assume that posturing media types are wrong.
Meanwhile Kelvin Benjamin shows up to OTAs overweight lol
Exactly… And even worse that was only OTA/Mini camp… There are veterans and young players around the league so entitled that they will show up to training camp needing to get in shape,,, no matter how successful of a veteran you were last year, or if you are a New Rookie, I’d bet,Philadelphia Eagles show up to camp in top shape ready to compete! Some players around this league will need some a training camp To get in shape… Doubt we see that on the eagles
Right, you saw the work ethic during camp. Half the guys looking to make the team will be hanging around to use the facilities.
Was thinking the same thing re: injuries. Any team that minimizes them will have a better season, but we’re in position to have a great season if injuries are kept to a minimum.
When Kelly was asked about QB, he said to be fair to the rest of the team, the coaches, the fans and the city, the best player would play. He should be asked as a follow up if it’s fair to the other players, etc to cut his best LG when he was ready willing and able to play, and, based on his past behavior, would not have been a distraction. I place most of the blame for Mathis being cut on his agent, and Mathis for listening to him, staying away from the OTAs and antagonizing Kelly. If you look at the risk-reward of his actions, they made no sense. However, Kelly still has the responsibility to act in the best interest of the team and I question whether cutting Mathis was in the teams best interest.
where do you see he was ready and willing?
if he was wouldn’t he have been with the rest of his team practicing to get better and forming some cohesion?
I agree he would have come in and played at mini camp, but he was being a little baby and like you said antagonizing the coach. that is usually in any other profession a ticket out of there.
personally I wish mathis just came in and played but he didn’t.
blame the agent, and blame mathis.
I agree with you that Mathis should have been at the OTAs. The reward he was looking for was minimal and the risk great. However, he planned to attend all mandatory practices and training camp and wouldn’t have been doing sit ups in his driveway. It begs the question whether Kelly should have cut him if he was the best LG on the team. Didn’t cutting Mathis weaken both LG and RG?
right, we would think it weakens the team but if the coaches have faith in other guys, they know more then we do. I guess we will see and have to trust until then.
mathis would have shown up im sure but he would be a distraction and the fact that he did miss OTA’s is a big deal for the team.
im pissed he listened to Drew about this money thing and blew it.
you would think Rosenhouse was a giants fan or something.
I think, or at least I hope that if chip has continued investing in your development going on 3 summers, He has to be seeing Progress, growth and potential…. guys with potential or measurements like Gaethers and Bamiro, chip didn’t over rate them, he didn’t keep them for years.. I think if a kid can’t play and chip doesn’t really see something in you, he won’t be afraid to pull the plug quickily on your eagle career…
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These kids have been here 2 and 3 years… I don’t believe you survive on a Stoutland and chip bench without showing continuos growth and ability…every year these kids should be Noticably better then the last time we saw them…..Chip knew there was an issue with Mathis, I can’t see cutting Herremans and Not drafting any Limean for two years in a Row that is practically unheard of in the history of this franchise, unless chip and Stoutland have a Legit Belief and Convidence that the only thing keeping some of these Backups and youngbucks from being Legit starting caliber NFL players is an opportunity…
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This is a coach and DL coacg OBSESSED with scoring who experienced an Elite NFL OL in 2013 and spent most of 2014 fighting to whether the storm of an OL injury disaster… You don’t cut Herremans and not draft ANYONE uless you think you have hidden gems on your bench.. And this coach is betting his offense on these guards… THAT MEANS SOMETHING. It HAS TO..
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If it’s truley a case of “settling for the option that sucks the least”, I will be baffled..
“hidden gems”??? I doubt it. Maybe the young Gs have shown growth and ability, as you say. I would assume that Kelly believes the drop off from Mathis and Barbre to Barbre and Tobin won’t hurt the O. I hope he is correct.
Sometime the ONLY difference between a young bench player and a quality starter is an OPPORTUNITY in a healthy situation….
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I would call practicing all summer next to Kelce and Jason Peters/Lane in your 3rd year a HEALTHY situation…
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5 years ago if I told you we are starting this hidden Gem Mathis and getting rid of our starting Guards you would have scoffed at Mathis too… 4 years later replacing Mathis is the end of the world….
Safe to say Kelly has a value associated with every position, and G is low on the list for spending. Not to say it isn’t important to the O running well, only that cap can be saved there with minimal performance impact.
Best LG on the team by how much of a margin? Is he still the best because he’s going to be 34? I honestly think this will end up being one of those “better to cut a guy a year early than a year late” type situations.
It hurts the depth, no doubt, but I don’t think it will make the starting line noticeably worse. I’ve always thought that Mathis is wildly overrated because of his ranking on PFF. Does anyone actually believe that he was hands down the #1 best guard in football? He wasn’t even a starter on his first three teams and now he’s a stud? I don’t buy it
Pretty sure Kelly thinks it didn’t. Or at least not by an amount at justified his salary.
Is your statement that Mathis would have attended camp based on his comments after he was cut? That seems a little suspect. If it was never in question, why didn’t he say so earlier? What might he and his agent threatened behind closed doors? What was he saying to teammates to make no one speak up for him?
Seems like the team has answered that question already -just listen to the interviews with the two guys who play next to Mathis.
Keeping in mind that Kelly is not interested in the conventional approach to anything regarding football, we can only guess what his mindset was when he released Mathis. Kelly’s response to the press questions focused solely on money, but we all know that Mathis was under contract, and that answer doesn’t add up for a lot of folks. I believe that 99 out of 100 HC/GM’s would have not responded to Mathis’ efforts to get a pay bump, and would have expected Mathis to appear in shape for TC. And most folks believe that is exactly what would have happened if Kelly had not acted.
Here is my guess: Kelly’s time with his players is organized to fine detail. He gets urine and blood samples, he gets sleep monitored, and he has qualified people dispense dietary programs. He has each player fill out questionnaires regularly, and there is no downtime – that is, none, when ANY reps are being taken on the practice field. Being a member of Kelly’s team must be an ultra-intensive experience for any kid straight out of college, and all returning team members know the drill. If we view Mathis’ behavior from that perspective, notwithstanding his reputation as a gym rat, and not ignoring the fact that his agent was asking pie-in-the-sky money on top of a very good contract, it seems like Kelly may have felt that he was asking everybody who showed up to endure a lot of intrusion into their lives on behalf of his goal of building a champion, and NOT responding to Mathis would seriously undermine his credibility on that front. I don’t think it was as simple as Kelly expecting/demanding that everyone appear at a voluntary function. If Mathis was caring for an ill parent or had some family issues that were keeping him away, there’d be no problem. The reason behind his absence, I think is absolutely critical to Kelly’s response. Life is full of unavoidable distractions, but when you create them yourself because you think you’re special, you’re not going to get a lot of love from Kelly or anybody else. Kelly said that he released Mathis when he did, to give him a chance to try his luck someplace else. I think that was true, but that is also just part of the story.
Kelly does march to his own drummer.
Yeah, seems kind of silly to question whether someone as driven as Kelly would make a move that wasn’t in the team’s best interest. But hey, that’s what the blog comment sections are for, right? Might as well assume we have as much data and insight into the organization as him, more fun that way. 😉
Perhaps Chip doesn’t see it that way.
I mean that sooner or later a changing of the guard needs to take place.
And just maybe when Chip went back after the season and evaluated every snap Mathis played, and maybe he saw something in way of decline, and felt that Barbre could play at that level or better, at a much cheaper price tag.
To me, this is one of those “In Chip we trust” moves, as I don’t feel that Chip is lacking in evaluating players based on their game tape.
I have full confidence in Chip on this decision and when the games are played, I think we will see why he chose to release him.
if that were true, he would have released Mathis when he released Herrmanns and failed to make an effort to resign his 2 starting CBs and the others players he let walk. Obviously, after he reviewed the season, Mathis was a player he wanted to retain until he didn’t for reasons other than his declining skills.
Josh Huff has struggled to consistently catch the ball during spring practices.
“It’s mental plays here and there, especially when I get tired, or I fall behind on a play, or I don’t get back in time and I don’t see the play,” Huff said of his miscues. In OTAs and minicamp where receivers are supposed to shine, Huff has been up-and-down. After being talked up before the draft, it sounds like Huff has settled back in as the No. 4 receiver. Seyi Ajirotutu is also pushing him for snaps. — this doesn’t match what i’ve been hearing, maybe huff isn’t destined for that starting spot next to cooper?
One writers opinion doesn’t mean that is what is happening. Just because Kempski said he is struggling I have heard other writers saying he looks good. Also Huff is the type of player that makes his statement in pads and training camp. I would hold off any opinion on any player until we see live action.
Kempski said this in regards to Huff, “Some of the knocks against him last season had to do with mental mistakes, but that’s to be expected from a rookie. The good news is, he’s looked really good so far during minicamp.”
Regardless of who it was that said he was struggling my basic premise is that one writers words do not mean everything.
No doubt. I just wanted to make it clear that he didn’t think he was struggling. I heard people say he was kinda quiet during OTAs though.
I agree, huff in pads is different. he is tough
Yea when he is running you can see the former RB in him.
Even if he has struggled, 1 good week of training camp and people will sing a different tune., guys like huff just need to worry about constantly improving. No matter what type of summer he has, where he is on the depth chart when we open in Atlanta, both Coop and Huff will get opportunities in games come September.. If he makes the most of his game opportunities he will start to get more and more,,
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That kid needs to not even worry about the competition. Focus on constant growth knowing he will get some type of opportunity in September, produce and his role will increase, same goes with Coop, Agholor or Miles..
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They are competing for the depth chart for the Atlanta game, but they will all get opportunities in regular season games.. Step up on game day and your role will grow.
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I assume it’s a lock we keep
pope
Archbishop Agholor
reverend Huff
Oldman Austin
Coop
Tutu aka Brad smith 2.0
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I expect the WR depths chart to change throughout the season because of game day performances
how is it that you do not have a nickname for cooper?
can we just call him white coop?
or chicken coop
or kkkoop
or Mr. riley
“Riley KKKooper” was a fantasy team name that year for me lol
Around my friends I tend to refer to him has the Hick… He reminds me of shysty Shane from the shield…
He doesn’t get a holy nickname
Why does Fox hate golf fans so much? I’m trying to watch the US Open in peace, but they’re attacking my ears with Joe Buck on the broadcast. WHY????????
bababooey
Well you see Rory missed that putt right there because the MLB is out to tarnish the brand and image of the St. Louis Cardinals.
I wasn’t even thinking on that angle because I hate Buck’s national work so much.
After getting cut by both KC and the Bengals so far this offseason, Terrell Pryors agent announces Hie client is ready to make a full time move to WR..
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interesting.. big, explosive boy. it would be ideal to get him on your practice squad for a year and let him compete for WR next offseason.. It will take him a while to grow into an NFL caliber WR… Requires patience
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Not sure how you get cut by two teams before training camp, but that’s another story..
if we can stick the man known as Kinne at Wr why not take pryor to try him out.
“big, explosive boy . . . “
Probably not the best choice of words.
I think you meant “kid.” (And that no offense was intended)
He can’t possibly be PS eligible, can he? How many games was he on OAKs 45-man?
So, basically we’re 10/10 at all positions except one S, one CB, and RG. There we’re 9.5/10. While we will go 19-0, some games the other team might get witin 10 points.
10? Hater.
“…some games the other team might get 10 points.”
Fixed that for you.
Eric Flowers negotiated his own rookie contract with the Giants and saved $430,000.00
Compared to how much the Giants wasted reaching on that guy?
Yeah he sucks…at least lacks serious Polish… My favorite type of suck, the type our pathetic rivals will be forced to throw on the,field before he is ready..Barwin will toy with that dude with his pass rush technique, and BG will Bullrush him into Eli.. It should be glorious
And they’re still going to start Justine Puke!
LOL.. T-Rex, running around all pissed off, throwing a tempertqntrum because he is so frustrated having arms too short to jerk off….doeamt matter where they line up PUGH, Ced,Cox, Bennie, any of them will smash that kid
As the 9th pick, Flowers falls between 8th pick Vic Beasley (ATL) and 10th pick Todd Gurley (Rams).
At 8th, Beasley’s deal was 4 years, $12.9 million, with a $7.6 million signing bonus.
At 10th, Gurley’s deal was 4 years — but for $13.8 million and $8.3 million bonus.
That’s MORE money for the 10th pick than the 8th pick.
I don’t know what Flowers ended up with, but I’m guessing if he’d had an agent, he’d have come away with MORE than the 10th pick.
But I doubt he did net more than Gurley . . . saving on the commission, but net-net, losing on more salary and bonus.
Maybe he just likes being a NYG — and was willing to take less.
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By the way, Gurley was represented by Jay Z’s Roc Nation.
Beasley’s agent was Todd France’s Five Star Athlete Management, Inc.
France’s group represents Fletcher Cox . . . so it looks like the Birds may get a below-market deal done with him done thanks to France being his agent.
i thought there were slotted salaries for picks? Jay-Z is a great capitalist. Gets CAA to negotiate deals, wonder what he promises, access to rappers?
A capitalist owns the means of production for creation of a product.
Jay Z is the epitome of late-stage capitalism. Not a capitalist, per se, but a class born of capitalism that feeds on the entrails of the system.
WOTWUYHNTLBYC!
Another site has Beasely getting 14.5 w/ $8.8mil guaranteed.
Anon:
I had the same reaction re: slotted numbers.
Beats the hell out of me.
HOWEVER . . . if the numbers I found are wrong, then obviously my thesis is mooted.
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Until I saw those numbers, the only issue — I thought — was offsets in the event of being cut/signed.
Nothing surprises under the NFL CBA.
Every day is a learning experience.
There is a Rookie Compensation Pool. Technically teams can move a little bit around to different picks if they stay within the pool, but realistically they can’t increase the money much due to the high draft picks very much because then you might not have the money to sigh the later players at all. If they can save money on a top pick, that might help give lower picks a bit more, but that hardly ever happens.
There is guesswork as to the actual slot values, I think, at least prior to the draft. http://overthecap.com/draft/ has some estimated slot numbers. Beasley’s slot was supposed to be a 14.495 total value with an 8.8 million signing bonus, and that is basically exactly what he got. That site has Gurley’s slot as 13.823 million total value and an 8.3 signing bonus, and again, that was exactly what he got. Flowers’ slot looks like it should be 14.391 total value and an 8.7 signing bonus. If he got substantially different than that then he has an issue.
Usually the only arguing point is offset language, which if a player is cut before the guaranteed portion of the contract expires, is basically the amount of the new contract that the team would not have to pay even though it was originally guaranteed — the new salary up to the offset amount would not need to be paid by the original team, but the new team instead. If the new salary goes beyond the offset amount, then that is paid to the player in addition to the amount of the original guaranteed draft contract amount less than the offset amount, so the player will be getting paid by two teams. Naturally, draft picks want the offset at zero. That is one area a player could lose on by not fighting for it, but it’s also a moot point if they are not cut in the first four years.
Just went to Spotrac.
Reports what you’re saying on Beasley’s deal.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/atlanta-falcons/
Again, THAT makes sense
mathis should have hired him
No.
Flowers may have very well shortchanged himself.
And we have no idea what Rosenhaus advised Mathis.
All we know is Rosenhaus has taken the heat — as a good agent should — for the choices his client made.
true… I didn’t actually think Mathis should hire a rookie to negotiate his contract…
do we know what Flowers got in the contract to have shortchanged himself?
im sure he must have, but it would be sad if some team took advantage of a rookie for trying to negotiate for himself.
representing yourself in court always makes people look crazy right?
How could Flowers have shortchanged himself?
These are slotted salaries.
The only negotiating point is that one thing that I can’t remember about double-dipping if they cut or some shit like that.
EDIT: Oh, I see you put numbers below.
You won the interview for today.. His rookie salary was slotted, he had to he a fool to pay someone to do his rookie contract,.. Pay a lawyer $100 an hour to look at the contract, problem solved…
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Only thing top 20 pics pay an agent for is to lend them money before the draft, and to set up your Predraft interviews…smart kid.. Those services aren’t worth 400grand
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The Giats arent going to get,caught trying to short change a kid with a slotted salary.. GMs do care about not being viewed as complete scumbags, some people have some morals, deceny and common sense…they aren’t all lawyers with the morals of an alley Catt
Just saw the Sixers jerseys,.. I dig them. Best Jerseys since Iversons rookie year jerseys…. The PHILA honors Wilt, The Stars honor DR. J,era’s…Really nice improvement.
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Give ANYTHNG to hear what Mathis relationship with Rosenhause is these days. Evans wife probabky despises the slimy agent
They’re nice, but I’d rather know with what players we’ll be filling them after Thursday night.
Meh, sitting pretty as far as I’m concerned.. Porzingis, Mudiay, Mario, can’t reallly go wrong…they all would be real nice additions
I like them too. Classic look that evokes memories of a lot of great years of Sixers ball gone by.
Now they just need the team to live up to it…
Mathis hitting the media — looked at tape with a reporter to review poor plays: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/19/evan-mathis-im-ready-for-my-best-year-yet/
He’s trying hard, but looks like he made a bad decision. “My body of work was limited last year due to the injury,” Mathis said. “I’m very much ready to come back strong for an entire season and have my best year yet. I’ll listen to the age talk when I lose a step.”
where is this guy going to play?
where are his offers?
Jaylen Watkins… not sure what to make of him and his situation. I think he’s a good athlete and has some talent, but I was not sold on him as a draft pick because what little I saw of him in college, it not look like he was a good tackler (seems to just throw his body / shoulder at targets).
But he does seem to have instincts and a nose for the ball, so it would seem like a centerfield-like safety position would be a good fit for him. If that role is not available in Davis’ defense, I think it would be best for the Eagles (and Watkins) if they just released him. I do think he would catch on somewhere else.
I think it’s way to early to just release him considering he hasn’t even played his second season in the NFL yet.
How would releasing him benefit the Eagles?
I am a little disappointed that it seems he hasn’t fully found his role yet.
I think the point is Kelly wants to take talent and develop it. That way, in 3-4 years the players he drafted and don’t start right away are strong depth/’starters aka role players.
I’m disappointed to hear that Tebow’s passing is still pathetic, but I can’t imagine Barkley would be much good on a read-option keeper. Are you thinking that the decision will be strictly made on pocket passing skills, or is there such a gulf that the running/play-making is overshadowed?
You’re disappointed? I’m glad that he’ll never sniff a spot on this team.
Kelly has said decision making – both quick and correct, repetitive accuracy and arm strength are the essential markers for any QB. Pocket presence/awareness and mobility are both plusses and running is a luxury.
The most important aspect that Chip looks at in a QB is throwing the ball accurately and consistently in a timely manner. Tebow seems to be far worse in those categories then Barkley so I would expect Barkley to be on the team over him. Maybe, just maybe it would be different if there was more of a rule change regarding PATS/2 point conversions, but it didn’t change in the manner that you would keep Tebow for.
Again, it’s pretty obvious a running QB is not all that for him so I think we can again throw the thought out the window of keeping a horrible passing but good running QB over one that is better at passing.
Did you really think Tebows passing would improve all that much?
I thought it might. Ten thousand reps over eighteen months under the tutelage of a respected guru should have a positive impact. And apparently it did help, according to most of the writers except Lombardo. It just didn’t help enough, apparently.
Sometimes you can have the best of everything to assist you with something, but it’s not enough because you just aren’t cut for it.
That’s Tebow, and I think people need to start realizing it.
Did you see Mathis wanted 8 million? That is a huge raise.
I know, that was hysterical when I read that.
Talk about overvaluing oneself.
He had it made on that O line and will forever regret leaving as he won’t be getting a ring this season, as the rest of this team surely will.
Go Eagles !!! All the way !!!
Article on Mathis and Chip – http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nfl-chip-kelly-evan-mathis-philadelphia-eagles-system/
Really interesting read.
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/coach-chip-kelly-hit-99k-tab-penthouse-rent
You gotta win the day Chip!
Looks like a pretty nice place
http://www.thecondoshops.com/listing/108-arch-street/
It seems like this board is now 80/20 or even 90/10 in favor of Mathis getting dumped and it being the right move by Kelly. Eagles pulled the same Jedi mind trick last year here too when Jackson got released too.
Not sure it takes a Jedi mind trick to acknowledge that the person responsible for assembling the football team might know something that I don’t. Besides that (1) we’re talking about an offensive guard, possibly the easiest position to find an adequate replacement for; and (2) Mathis is an older player, an expensive player, and possibly somewhat of a disgruntled player. Don’t forget that cutting him also helps with the Eagles’ cap situation (which probably won’t come into play until next season). (3) This helps Chip maintain the reputation that he has established of requiring players to fully buy in to his culture/program.
Personally, I just see the deed as done and have mentally moved on to how that void will be filled. No need to continue to be bitter no matter what happens from here on out. I’m going to watch the team whether they win or lose anyway…
I think alot of it is just acceptance and understanding the reasons it was done. That’s different then liking the move or thinking it was the right move.
I’m still 100% against both the Mathis and Jackson moves, but they’re not worth referencing outside of times when evidence presents itself of the wrongness of those moves. I have to see the guard play in some live snaps before I continue to blast away on the move.
I was ok with Jackson but I’m far from sold on Mathis. Unless Kelly really did decide in the offseason that he didn’t want Mathis back (but then why release herremans too?)
Herremans was completely shot from a talent standpoint. I would have preferred a starting guard tandem of Mathis / Franklin this year, but I could have dealt with a Mathis / whoever won the job at RG tandem. I’m quite scared that Barbre / whoever isn’t going to be ideal.
not so much the right move by Kelly, but the stupid move by Rosenhaus/Mathis
http://www.footballperspective.com/games-started-by-each-teams-top-22-starters/
Looks like Dallas had the most continuity of starters last year
53 man roster – combo of what I’d do and what could / should happen
QB 3- Bradford, Sanchez, Barkley (Tebow can go back to working for hate groups)
RB 3(6)- Murray, Matthews, Sproles (Tucker and Mostert to P-squad)
TE 3(9)- Ertz, Celek, Burton (hopefully Burton can show some more growth, I can’t stomach Celek at nearly $5 mil / year on the cap as a blocker.)
WR 6 (15) – Matthews, Huff, Agholor, Cooper, Austin, Ajirotutu (I REALLY REALLY want to cut Cooper, but I think we have to wait a year. Not sure who is p-squad worthy out of the young guys)
OL 9 (24) – Peters, Johnson, Kelce, Barbre, Tobin, Gardner, Graf, Andrews, Vandervelde, (Boyko to p-squad, Kelly doesn’t make it finally if he doesn’t turn a corner, and I wanted to go with 10, but need to keep more guys on D, so 9 it is)
Specialists 3 (27) – Jones, Parkey, Dorenbos
DL 7 (34) – Cox, Logan, Thorton, Curry, Allen, Hart, Mihalik
LB 9 (43) – Barwin, Kendricks, Alonzo, Graham, Smith II, Ryans, Braman, Jones, Hicks ( I wanted to keep 8, but I think 9 is more in order. I’m hoping we can keep Long on the P-squad and I’m also still more inclined to trade Kendricks for a 2016 2nd and conditional additional pick rather than lose him for nothing at the end of the year)
DB 10 (53) – Maxwell, Carroll, Boykin, Biggers, Rowe, Evans, Watkins, Thurmond, Jenkins, Sheperd, Couplin, Margos, Prosinski, Reynolds, and Wolff are all in play. So I’ll go with Maxwell, Carroll, Biggers, Rowe, Watkins, Thurmond, Jenkins, Shepherd, Maragos, nd aPosinski as the 10. Evans, Couplin, Reynolds to the P squad. Wolff cut. Boykin leaves in a trade for a 4th and a conditional 2nd pick.
I feel good that I’ve got the first 48 to 50 guys correct, but there are about 15 dudes in play for the last 3 to 5 spots. This should be a fun camp.
Every year collective thought is there’s depth in case of injury… But this year takes the cake… Particularly on defense. Camp battles will be most interesting. The former college coach certainly has some strength in number on D. Agree trading away next years free agents for future value now could provide at the least the opportunity to better see the new additions from FA &such.
Odds are that the Eagles will continue to add a premium player or two via free agency in strategic positions as time passes, so the 2017 compensatory picks they’d get from from the losses of Kendricks and Boykin (and possibly Curry and Thorton) would not likely net them very much or quite possible any picks at all.
I’d much rather get more compensation now rather than less later if we’re not talking about a team primed for a deep playoff run.
Also with regards to the final 53:
For those ST demons, It would seem (as a logical progression) if you can’t logistically play/get on the field at your position this year, there may not be a spot for the Bramans, Prosinski’s on the team, especially with WR signing from SD and Hicks.
agreed.
For compare / contrast purposes; here is Kempski’s that he just released.
http://www.phillyvoice.com/eagles-53-man-roster-projection-after-otasminicamp/
I can understand why you are often furious when the Eagles trade a player. A second rounder and another pick for a one-year rental on Kendricks?
Would you give that much up to bring in a talented but oft injured guard that seems to have a lot of potential but is on the block because he never quite put it all together, who is in the last year of his contract? I think you would be calling for seppuku from our FO.
I think a 4th and 2nd is high for Boykin as well.
My assumption would be that whatever team traded for Boykin or Kendricks would be with the proviso that they’re going to agree to a long term deal there. Or the picks we’d get for either guy would be conditional on those guys signing with their new teams.
In either case, I see the bigger value (no matter the return) in a trade prior to the deadline vs. 2017 possible comp picks.
Kendricks and Boykin packaged *together* would probably only realistically net you a 2nd and 4th.
I don’t think it would even get you anything close to that. Think most teams would rather take a shot at them in FA than give up a significant draft pick for either player
Anybody angered or ashamed or depressed by the predictable display of hate that occurred in Charleston this week – I’m there. It’s hard for me to give a damn about football or the Eagles when, yet again, our dysfunctional political players (they’re not leaders) allow ignorance and stupidity and fear and hate to define us.
If you want a brief timeout from the minutiae that fuels this forum, I offer a fairly obscure work of art that provokes deeper pondering: My brothers and sisters, feel this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXPFfgdxp9o&list=RDzXPFfgdxp9o#t=154
I Hate the White Man – Roy Harper – 1969
Far across the ocean in the land of look and see There once was a time for you and me Where the winds blow sweetly and the easy seas flow still And where the barefoot dream of life can laugh and cry its fill Where slot machine confusion and the plastic universe Are objects of amusement in the fiction of their curse And where the crazy white man and his tear gas happiness Lies dead and long since buried by his own fantastic mess For I hate the white man and his plastic excuse O I hate the white man and the man who turned him loose
And the reins of colored thunder of the stallion of the dawn Ride the coal-fire morning on the beach where all is borne Where the emperor of meaning is burning up his fort And sits to warm his toes around a fire made up of useless thought And when the children tempt him with the riddles of their trance He flings the flames of solstice casting laughs into their dance And where the crazy white man in the desert of his bones Lies as bleached as the paradise he likes to think he owns And I hate the white man in his evergreen excuse O I hate the white man and the man who turned him loose
And far across the reaches of the drifting yellow sands The living carpet wilderness forever joins its hands With heaven’s hell’s attainment in a surging crest of fire Where more than all is thrown upon the everlasting pyre And through the countless canticles of Jason’s charcoal fleece Are sung the songs of nothing in the timeless masterpiece And there stood in the middle —guess who-— it’s the everlasting bust Built by God’s very own white man as he tries to rule the dust And I hate the white man in his doctrinaire refuse O I hate the white man and the man who turned you all loose
And the bowels of his city have been locked into a safe Where the spew stains on the sidewalks are defenders of the faith While back inside his kitchen the bowler hatted long haired saint Cleans with soap and water but it’s really just white paint While his gorgon-headed scandal sheet presents its daily bite To give the righteous news believers drugs to keep them white And outside in the whitewash where the guns are always always right The shooting star has summoned death’s dark angel from his night And I hate the white man in his evergreen excuse O I hate the white man and the man who turned him loose and the man who turned you all loose
and the man who turned him loose
and the man who turned me loose
I agree that what happened in South Carolina was despicable, and I can hope I live to see a day where things like that don’t happen anymore. But your post seems several notches too political and racially-charged for a forum about a sports team. If you are too distressed to focus on football, then don’t go on a football site and post a vaguely racist song.
Iceberg584, I honestly did not consider that the song could be construed as racist, and I never would have put it out there had I even an inkling. Please accept this sincere apology.
I would never think to speak for everybody, I come here to get away from reality. Like everyone else, I have enough of my own reality to keep things real enough gor me. After 20+ years serving in the Navy, I find it hard to quote a Marine..
“I don’t worry about myself. I just worry about the guy next to me, keeping him safe. Nothing more, nothing less.”
If we all did that maybe we’re not so jacked up.
I apologize for disrupting. And thanks for that marine quote.
Junior Gallete is probably effed. Stop hitting women please. I don’t think its to much too ask.
http://www.canalstreetchronicles.com/2015/6/20/8818783/video-junior-galette-hitting-woman-belt-beach