Sam’s Future

Posted: December 17th, 2015 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 426 Comments »

When the Eagles traded for Sam Bradford, we all basically had the same reaction.

The Eagles did what? Nick Foles and draft picks? That can’t be right.

Oh, but it was right. Chip Kelly had looked over the QB landscape and decided that Sam Bradford gave him the best hope of landing an outstanding QB. Sam was a former #1 overall pick. He had talent. Injuries caused the Rams to be willing to move on from him. As Chip has shown, injuries don’t scare him away from players.

The more Chip explained the move and the more clips we saw of Bradford, the more we began to at least see this wasn’t the insane move many of us thought it was upon first hearing the news. Whether you agreed with it or not, there was at least some logic to Chip’s thinking.

Bradford won over a lot of people with his performance in the preseason. He was outstanding, although in limited exposure. Still, he lit up starting defenses, not backups. And he took hits. Terrell Suggs gave him a big cheap shot (how’s football karma working for you Terrell?) and Bradford got back up, slowly.

The regular season could not have been more different. Bradford suddenly looked lost. The Eagles run game was a mess. There were dropped passes all over the place. Things were a bit off, to put it mildly.

After an 0-2 start, the Eagles won 3 of 4 games. Bradford threw 3 TDs in the only loss in that span. He still made some bad mistakes, but you could at least see some reason to really start believing in him. Bradford got hurt a couple of weeks later, opening the door for Mark Sanchez.

I won’t lie. I wondered if Sanchez would be better than Bradford. Sanchez showed talent last year. He had almost 9 games in this system to build on in the offseason. I hoped that might lead to better play from him. Oops. Sanchez proved to be the very same guy he was last year. Talented, but too flawed. The Eagles lost all 3 games he played in.

Bradford came back for the game at New England. He led the Eagles to an upset (with tons of help from the D and STs) and then beat Buffalo this week. Bradford is 6-5 for the year. He’s 6-3 since those two bad games to begin the year. Bradford is 6-2 in games he starts and finishes.

There are some good numbers as well. He has only thrown one INT in the last 4 games (and that wasn’t his fault). He has a rating of 99 or higher in 3 of those game. He’s now handling pressure better.

Beyond the wins and the numbers, Bradford is also becoming more of a vocal leader. QBs don’t have to be that way, but it does help, especially when he’s new. There is no history of performance for players to look to. They need tangible signs that Bradford sees this as his team. He’s given that to them in recent weeks.

Chip said in his press conference this week that he wants Bradford to be the QB beyond this year. He mentioned that you don’t trade for a player for just one season.

Bradford then got a ton of questions about his future on Wednesday at his PC. He did not say anything, deferring to the offseason as a time to think about his contract and future. Is this a player showing how focused he is? Or was Bradford sending a sign that he doesn’t want to be an Eagle?

I think Bradford is trying to stay focused on the here and now, but I also think he’s being smart about his future. If he talks openly about wanting to be an Eagle, he takes away bargaining leverage when there are contract negotiations in the offseason. If Bradford convinces the Eagles he’s open minded about where to play, that makes it tougher on them.

I’ve gone back and forth on the merits of keeping Bradford. Chip said something the other day that stuck with me, though. He talked about good QBs having time in a specific system. Brees knows his offense inside-out. The same is true for Carson Palmer. And Russell Wilson. And Aaron Rodgers. Learning the playbook is one thing. Mastering it takes time and experience.

The Eagles have invested one offseason and one season in Bradford learning their system. If Chip returns and the offense is the same, there is real value in having Bradford return as well.

Bradford has played well in recent weeks, but he has a long way to go before he gets to the level where he’s worth huge money. The Eagles need to be careful not to overpay him (within reason). Don’t lose a QB you like over a little money. Those guys have a transcendent value.

The current version of Sam Bradford isn’t good enough to lead the Eagles to a Super Bowl. The guy we saw in the summer looked much better. Defenses were simpler and the Eagles just performed like a machine. Bradford has improved over the course of the season. And he’s still hurt by drops. The bad INTs have gone away (knock on wood). As he gets more comfortable and his chemistry with the receivers improves, Bradford should continue to improve.

“Should” is the key word there. As with the team, we need to see the final 3 games. Bradford could fall apart. He could play lights out. Reality says he’s more likely to be in the middle. Let’s just hop he’s closer to the second option than the first.

It will be interesting to follow this situation in the offseason. If the Eagles decide Bradford is their guy, they can spend resources building around him instead of looking for their QB.

The better Bradford plays in the final 3 games, the more he will cost. I think that would be a good problem for Chip and Jeff Lurie to have to deal with in the offseason.

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426 Comments on “Sam’s Future”

  1. 1 Weapon Y said at 10:13 AM on December 17th, 2015:

    Barring a regression in Bradford’s performance, the Eagles should try hard to get him to agree to an extension. I’m thinking an Andy Dalton kind of contract (lots of money, but easy to get out of) is fair. Between Bradford and Fletcher Cox, that is a lot of money that will need to be spent. This means a bunch of players will need to be shown the door. Some aging veterans who are fan favorites and some underachievers: Celek, Ryans, Cooper (underachiever, not fan favorite). The tough part is that it would make sense to let go of Peters, but the OL is so weak and he’s still good. The math will need to add up in the end though.

  2. 2 Donald Kalinowski said at 2:46 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    They also have Cedric Thorton, Vinny Curry, Nolan Carrol, and Walter Thurmond who are UFAs.

    Cutting Riley Cooper, Mark Sanchez, Brent Celek, and DeMeco Ryan should save the Eagles about $15 million in cap space.

    DeMarco Murray contract- ouch.

  3. 3 Mike D said at 2:58 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    (Unfortunately) I’d say Curry is as good as gone and I don’t see Carroll coming back unless Rowe really falters badly in the last 3+ games.

  4. 4 eagleyankfan said at 10:14 AM on December 17th, 2015:

    With the Mathis and Maclin negotiations — what confidence is there that CK(the GM) signs Bradford? Will CK have a hard line he won’t cross?

  5. 5 Wongtong said at 10:19 AM on December 17th, 2015:

    Bradford has shown progress with every game this season. Extend this man.

  6. 6 A_T_G said at 10:36 AM on December 17th, 2015:

    Hmm, that is an interesting avatar name you have there.

  7. 7 Wongtong said at 11:56 AM on December 17th, 2015:

    I honestly have no idea where it came from. It’s my username for everything basically.

  8. 8 Sam Bradfords Chicken Legs said at 3:29 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Bongpong

  9. 9 fran35 said at 10:35 AM on December 17th, 2015:

    I am torn on Bradford. While he has shown nothing to make me believe that he is going to be special or be a franchise QB, I realize what continuity can do for a QB and a team. The Carson Palmer argument is definitely valid. Another year, better weapons, and maybe he will flourish. On the other hand, I haven’t seen any throws or plays by Sam to make me feel excited for the future. Even with Foles, he made throws sometimes that made you feel like he could be something.

    I am very torn though. Our wide receivers are terrible. And that is to put it mildly. We have such a lack of talent at that position right now as compared to 3 or 4 years ago, it is depressing. It kind of reminds me of the early McNabb years. I am now thoroughly convinced that Jordan Matthews is a solid #3 WR. He can beat some nickle CBs, Safeties, and LBs. But when other teams start throwing one of their better CBs on him, he struggles to get open. And that is what is happening because opposing teams are realizing that there is no threat from our WR on the outside, so they are moving their better CBs down to the slot at times and shift they coverage to the middle of the field. We need Agholor to show us something very quickly. As far as Huff, I think he is the consummate tweener. A RB with decent hands playing WR, but lacking significant WR skills

  10. 10 anon said at 10:44 AM on December 17th, 2015:

    need a new wr coach, think guys we have have talent and measurables and are hard workers. clearly not getting coached right

  11. 11 fran35 said at 10:53 AM on December 17th, 2015:

    Who would have thought we would long for the days of David Culley?

    Sarcasm aside, I am just not sure we have the talent. Agholor appears to be somewhat explosive, but his hands appear suspect and he is a rookie. Huff looks like a RB playing WR more times than not and has shown little to nothing in 2 years to justify his 3rd round pick. Jordan Matthews lacks explosion. This is nothing new and was his knock coming out of college. There is a reason the coaches like him in the slot. Cooper…..I won’t even touch this. If I am missing someone that has the untapped talent, please let me know. We have effectively shipped out/let walk much of our talent at WR.

  12. 12 Mitchell said at 11:12 AM on December 17th, 2015:

    Huff hasnt showed much to warrant a 3rd round pick? I dont know anout you but increasingly, when he gets the ball, he gets yards. He isnt getting the ball enough.

  13. 13 Cafone said at 11:48 AM on December 17th, 2015:

    No, he definitely hasn’t. He plays like a guy you wouldn’t be upset to have blown a 5th round pick on, which is where he would have been drafted without the Kelly/Oregon connection.

  14. 14 Mitchell said at 12:42 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    If you dont think his RAC skills are special, you are wrong.

  15. 15 Cafone said at 1:17 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Special? I think his RAC skills may be NFL level. But they are certainly not special for this level.

    His ability to hold on to the ball after the catch has been demonstrably less than professional level.

  16. 16 Mitchell said at 3:14 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    The critque of his hands are fair but he is a threat to break of 10 yards of RAC after every catch IMO.

  17. 17 laeagle said at 1:26 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I love his potential with the RAC, and he plays hard, but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t always terrified about a fumble whenever he gets going.

  18. 18 big Jes said at 10:44 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    And can he get separation?

  19. 19 fran35 said at 1:45 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I agree with you and believe he does have special RAC skills. However, his ball handling is substandard and his hands are not NFL level. I cannot judge his route running skills, but I presume that is a deficiency that has helped to keep him off of the filed as well.

    Bottom line: while his RAC skills are very good for a WR, I believe they are just average for RB. And when you look at the rest of his skills, he looks more like a good college RB trying to play NFL WR. I believe a 3rd round pick was a bit of a reach, but then again we seem to be prone to reaching at times in the draft-especially under Kelly. When you look at the crop of WR that were taken that year, Huff was overdrafted.

  20. 20 Mitchell said at 3:14 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    He was over drafted. Ill give you that but he doesnt have enough targets to even accurately judge his hands, imo.

  21. 21 botto said at 1:28 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    if a 5th rounder had done the things, small amount, that he did it would be a steal. he needs the ball more. he doesn’t go down easy at all.

  22. 22 Cafone said at 1:40 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Riley Cooper was a 5th round pick. I don’t remember people calling him a steal. Compare his early career stats to Huff’s and get back to me.

    I understand the desire to want Huff to be more than he has shown. I’ve been one of his supporters. But at a certain point we have to be realistic.

  23. 23 big Jes said at 10:48 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Cooper did sh*t I mean less then the last 2 years till his 3rd year Shrub was the year be “earned” his big contact extension

  24. 24 Cafone said at 11:06 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Exactly! And yet he had more catches and yards in those first two years than Huff has in his first two years.

    I think it’s kind of hard to justify Huff as a 3rd round pick when his numbers say “almost as good as Riley Cooper’s first two years”

  25. 25 big Jes said at 3:06 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    Didn’t realize he was that low .and cooper had Maclin DeSean and Avant ahead of him those first 2 years

  26. 26 Moe Edwards said at 3:45 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    It’s gonna hurt watching John Brown Sunday when he was picked after Huff. Still got hope for Huff though.

  27. 27 Joe Minx said at 1:15 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I like Krause. He’s fast.

  28. 28 Cafone said at 1:18 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    as long as Krause can’t catch he should fit in perfectly.

  29. 29 fran35 said at 1:46 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    So was Dietrich Jells.

  30. 30 big Jes said at 10:42 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Every scout was high on Agholor Coming out of draft. As of yet hasn’t shown up on the field and the pope had Def regressed this year so be nice of it were an easy fix as changing position coach

  31. 31 A_T_G said at 10:35 AM on December 17th, 2015:

    1. “The current version of Sam Bradford isn’t good enough to lead the Eagles to a Super Bowl.”

    2. “…Bradford should continue to improve.”

    Therefore, Super Bowl. Right?

    I don’t see any other logical outcome.

  32. 32 fran35 said at 10:43 AM on December 17th, 2015:

    Also, the Eagles beat the Patriots. The Patriots are one of the best teams in the league. Therefore, the Eagles are one of the best teams in the league.

  33. 33 Buge Halls said at 11:57 AM on December 17th, 2015:

    Wow, for a minute I thought I was on Philly.com with the negative toolbags over there.

  34. 34 fran35 said at 1:49 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    No sir, nothing but sunshine and rainbows here. Puppy kisses too. Chip Kelly on a white unicorn and that kind of stuff.

  35. 35 Tumtum said at 2:45 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    If he continues to progress at the current rate, the Math shows that by the time he gets to the Superbowl he will be playing better than Johnny Unitas, Peyton Manning, Elway, Marino, and Baugh ever played.

  36. 36 lcwboyboy said at 10:43 AM on December 17th, 2015:

    If Bradford continues to improve, I think you have to extend him (at the right price). I don’t think money should be too much of an issue. I don’t think he’s shown enough to think that a lot of teams will be banging down his door to give him a huge contract. There is a lot to be said about continuity at that position. I would like Bradford back next year for no other reason to not go a 4th straight season with a new opening day starter. That’s not a recipe for success.

  37. 37 bdbd20 said at 10:46 AM on December 17th, 2015:

    I know we are all cautious on paying Sam too much. QB money is naturally inflated. Any QB, other than a rookie, will get big $$.

    Fitzpatrick will get big $$. Just the nature of the beast. If Chip wants him, Lurie will pay whatever he wants.

    Best line of the article;

    “Don’t lose a QB you like over a little money”

    Chip may not be willing to go overboard on Maclin and Mathis, but he will overpay for his QB.

  38. 38 xmbk said at 11:03 AM on December 17th, 2015:

    Good thoughts. I would add that being equivocal about wanting to be an Eagle has pretty much been shown not to be a good bargaining position. That said, I think he’s just focused on here and now. The rest will take care of itself, especially if he focuses and plays well. Also, he’s not exactly poor.

  39. 39 Mitchell said at 11:14 AM on December 17th, 2015:

    Keep Bradford as a starter for next year but for the love of god Chip, draft a qb that YOU like as well. There are plenty of qbs in the draft with potential to start they just need time and development. Just because a qb cant start day one doesnt mean he is a bust or waste of a pick.

  40. 40 Wongtong said at 12:02 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Hopefully they don’t end up like Barkley. What QB’s would you want?

  41. 41 Mitchell said at 12:44 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Heard that. I think it depends on where you draft them. Hogan and Boykin need work but are worth a pick. Lynch looks like a first rounder. Wentz is a late first early second.

  42. 42 jimmies said at 2:16 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    We really don’t have the luxury of picking a QB in the 1st or 2nd rounds.

  43. 43 Wongtong said at 2:45 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Wouldn’t mind to get Baker Mayfield or Boykin. I really want to draft Braxton Miller late in the draft too. Kid is special.

  44. 44 dropscience said at 3:57 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Mayfield isn’t coming out. In fact, he’s trying to recover a year of eligibility.

  45. 45 Mitchell said at 3:12 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Wait, what? Think aboit that statement. Were talkong anout the most important position on the field. If the qb is there you want you absolutely take him. Weve seen how it is woth crappy qb play. If Chips guy is there, take him.

  46. 46 Sam Bradfords Chicken Legs said at 3:40 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Isn’t Boykin converting to a WR? How about Carson Wentz?

  47. 47 Mitchell said at 5:03 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    He could sure but he shows enough that he would be worth developing as a qb. He would be an average WR but could be a good qb.

  48. 48 scratcherk said at 11:36 AM on December 17th, 2015:

    Probably going to have to franchise tag Bradford and work out an extension.

    A couple likely FA QBs do interest me.

    1. RGIII – definition of a player than needs a change of scenery. Should be healed up at this point. actually showed some maturity handling the benching.
    2. Kap (i know everyone hates him but he’s definitely got talent and for a much cheaper price that bradford)

  49. 49 Dave said at 11:43 AM on December 17th, 2015:

    Both guys are head cases…see Cutler, Jay. Have unquestionable talent, lacking the mental makeup to be great.

  50. 50 Wongtong said at 12:03 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Maybe like Jay they just need the right coach and environment. Cutlers been doing well this year.

  51. 51 Buge Halls said at 11:58 AM on December 17th, 2015:

    Both guys are nothing but Mike Vick version 2.0 – not what we need!

  52. 52 Tumtum said at 1:27 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Well current Vick is Mike Vick 2.0! So 3.0 ;).

    If we could of just pulled out a win vs GB in 2010 with Vick it is very likely we win it all. Wonder what you would say about him then.

  53. 53 Sam Bradfords Chicken Legs said at 3:42 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Vick is terrible

  54. 54 Tumtum said at 7:12 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    you are funny

  55. 55 Mac said at 3:42 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    One more reason to hate pooper

  56. 56 CrackSammich said at 1:12 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Both of those guys will need to go to a place with an open QB battle. They have both had success, but like with Sanchez, that doesn’t mean they will ever get back to that again. And both will bring a Tebow level of attention for someone who will not likely play over Bradford. And probably not over Sanchez, either.

  57. 57 Sean Stott said at 1:15 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Kaep is not a scheme fit, whereas RG3 could be. Simply put, Kaepernick is not accurate enough, and his baseball pitcher windup is a severe disadvantage.

  58. 58 fran35 said at 1:54 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I am not sure that Kap will be a much cheaper price tag than Bradford. He’s younger, has led a team to the SB and has through the roof measureables.

  59. 59 Sam Bradfords Chicken Legs said at 3:43 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I’d take RG3 not Kaep though.

  60. 60 Ryan said at 11:40 AM on December 17th, 2015:

    I think that you have to keep him unless they get a high enough pick to get one of the top 3 guys in this draft (and like them all). If not, they need to keep him and spend picks/free agent $ on wide receiver and offensive line. Hopefully, with his recent upward trend, Agholor is finally starting to come into his own, but they still need another starting receiver to pair with him and Matthews who I think is a solid #2. Look at how Brady is all of the sudden mortal when Gronk is out. I think that Bradford’s cap hit will actually go down compared to this year and will actually help our cap out (high cap hit this year).

  61. 61 mtn_green said at 11:55 AM on December 17th, 2015:

    You have to over pay a qb. 20 mil per year 60 mil guaranteed. Book it.

  62. 62 since1961 said at 12:39 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    18 QBs now have average contract $ higher than SB’s current deal. 9 are over $20MM/year, 9 between $16MM – 19.99. With the cap increasing a lot, seems like ‘market’ if he finishes the last three games decently will be around $20MM.

  63. 63 Tumtum said at 1:36 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    If you are thinking long term, you have to think 2017 off-season as signing it.

  64. 64 fran35 said at 2:00 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I really so think we would have to back up the Brinks truck to sign Bradford long term. If he is good to very good, then do it. However, I am not convinced he is. I almost would rather Franchise his ass, see what he looks like with another year and then pay him the big $$ if he works out. I know we bleed for next year with the Tag, but we won’t be trammeled with his salary for years to come if he reverts to form.

  65. 65 Tumtum said at 2:42 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Sort of what I have been saying in other posts on this thread. “Over pay” for him next year. If he proves he is worth it pay that man his money.

  66. 66 anon said at 7:16 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    his agent is a brinks truck type of agent.

  67. 67 Tumtum said at 1:22 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Then find someone else.. but I don’t think that is true.

  68. 68 anon said at 12:19 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Fitz has managed to hang around for 10 yrs. Playing 10+ games per season for 8 of them. He’s at 60% completion % w/ 2 to 1 TD/int ratio

  69. 69 Ark87 said at 1:03 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Feeling unusually pessimistic on the subject of this article, feels like a damned if you do, damned if you dont

  70. 70 Tumtum said at 1:21 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Could be. The final 3 games are huge like Tommy says. Almost certainly you over pay for next year in the transition tag (considering his play continues to improve). If he doesn’t become what you really wanted next year, I think it is safe to say he never will. If he does, you give him a 100 year contract and don’t have to worry about QB for a while.

    The only issue with the end of that scenario is that we don’t get to win the Superbowl with a cheap QB like Baltimore and Seattle (was Rodgers cheap when he won?). Makes it harder, but hey if you have “the guy” who cares.

    Of course we could win it all next year….

  71. 71 fran35 said at 2:01 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I agree with your sentiment. That’s why I think there is a valid argument to be made for franchising him. Sure, he will get overpaid next year, but we can play the wait and see before we overpay long term.

  72. 72 Ark87 said at 2:17 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    good point. I think you get right to the heart of it.

  73. 73 ACViking said at 1:04 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Re: Bradford and the Franchise Tag

    Bradford’s agent is Tom Condon . . . the “Steve Boros” of NFL agents.

    Condon’s client stable includes not only the NFL’s highest paid QBs, but just about the highest paid players at several other positions: Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Drew Brees, Tony Romo, Matt Ryan, Adrian Peterson, Dez Bryant, Mario Williams, J.J. Watt, Gerald McCoy, Richard Sherman.

    Oh, and another Condon client . . . Jeremy Maclin.

    Seems fair to say that Condon’s modus operandi is to get every last dollar he can for his clients. And good for them.

    Seems equally fair to say that if a player’s chosen to be represented by Condon, loyalty and home-town discounts are not part of the calculus. (Again, good for them.)

    Condon’s routinely cut deals before the FA period. It’s just those deals were very, very costly. He knows the market. And doesn’t leave money on the table.
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    A quick point about using the Franchise Tag on Bradford (either exclusive or non-exclusive).

    It’s projected that the 2016 FT figure for QBs will be nearly $20 MM, maybe more.

    For an agent like Tom Condon (or anyone with half a brain), a team’s use of the FT establishes a baseline for the negotiations — because the team is telling the player he’s worth at least the FT figure.

    Further complicating FT’ing Bradford in 2016 is that, if a deal cannot be worked out, then two things happen in 2017.

    One is Bradford’s FT number would increase by 20%. And the Eagles, presumably, have to use the FT again.

    The other is the Eagles would not have the benefit of the FT to use on another player entering free agency . . . like Fletcher Cox. So all leverage is lost. (This was the problem the Cowboys had last year with Bryant and Murray.)

    NOTE: The “non-exclusive” franchise tag — which pegs that year’s salary at the greater of (i) the average of the Top 5 cap hits over the past 5 years at that position or (ii) 120% of the player’s prior salary — allows a player to negotiate with other teams, and guarantees two 1st Rd picks for the player’s original team if the player leaves.

    The “exclusive” FT prevents a player from negotiating with other teams. But the salary is the avg of the Top 5 at his position for that season.

    The “transition” tag sets a player’s salary at the greater of (i) the average of the top 10 at his position, or (ii) 120% increase — and allows the tagging team 7 days to match any offer from a competitor. No compensation is involved if the tagging team chooses not to match.

  74. 74 A Roy said at 1:11 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Ideal person to negotiate with Condon is Joe Banner.

  75. 75 fran35 said at 2:03 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I miss Joe. I never thought I would say it, but man that guy was good. A complete dickhead, but he was our dickhead.

  76. 76 Tumtum said at 1:09 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I made a comment about this in a discussion on the last post, but I feel like the market for Bradford outside of Philly, as a starter, is very limited. We are actually in a weird place for the NFL right now. Most teams seem to have their guy, at least for now.

    I can’t think of an obvious team who would immediately want to insert Bradford as their starter over their current starter, other than SF. Of course just because Sam is better than Gabbert doesn’t mean that they would even want him. It really feels like that 1st round pick offer for Sam was some BS or smoke blown.

    Am I under rating Sam?

  77. 77 Sean Stott said at 1:12 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I don’t think you’re underrating Sam, but you’re probably underrating the market for him. Cleveland, KC (?), Denver, San Diego and Houston could all be suitors.

  78. 78 Tumtum said at 1:17 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Cleavland signs him, they cut Mr. Football.. think Chip would be happy signing him. KC is very committed to Smith. Denver seems to be in a good place with Brock (compared to Same). Rivers is elite and going no where.

    Houston is one of the teams that eluded me though. They would probably love him.

  79. 79 Sean Stott said at 1:28 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I wasn’t sure about KC. You mentioned SF already. But Brock has not really looked good to be honest. He hasn’t looked good at all. Also, the rumor is Rivers might retire after this season.

  80. 80 Tumtum said at 1:37 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I thought that was rumor was put to bed when he signed in the off-season. He just isn’t gung-ho to move cities, but it seems he got over that.

    Cousins and Fitpatrick are also in the last years of their deals but I left those teams out because I feel like they would prefer to resign those guys.

  81. 81 JoeBlow said at 3:00 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    the 2 teams at the top of the draft are where i see Lynch and Goff going….Niners with Goff and i think Lynch ends up in Cleveland. A lot of negative stuff coming out about Connor Cook and i don’t like him as a quaterback anyway

  82. 82 unhinged said at 2:08 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I would think the Cowboys would give him serious consideration. Romo is what, 39? and getting fragile, and Jerry believes that an accurate passer who can find Dez is all his offense needs with that O-Line.

  83. 83 Tumtum said at 2:28 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I dunno. The way they talk about Cassle it seems like they would prefer him to Bradford. After that first game against them I can’t imagine they have a good opinion of him.

  84. 84 unhinged said at 2:40 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Maybe, but Cassel is more of a known than SB, and his ceiling is his achilles. Sam’s ceiling, I think, is harder to gauge, and the Cowboys know our O-Line has been underperforming most of this season. You may be right, but I doubt that Jerry is fine with Cassel.

  85. 85 Tumtum said at 2:41 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Yeah they really could be I suppose, but that would mean getting rid of Tony and lots of dead money. No way you can pay Sam and Tony.

  86. 86 CrackSammich said at 2:48 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    St Louis could use a QB…

  87. 87 JoeBlow said at 2:55 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    haha….ya know over on one of their fan websites a few weeks ago, i saw alot of them discussing the possibility of the Rams bringing Sam back in Free Agency and surprisingly a lot of them were for it and thought it would be a great move for them to bring him back and also essentially steal a 2nd rounder from us

    St. Louis isn’t bringing him back tho…i think they will re-try Foles again and maybe see if Mannion can play. They will once again draft high next year and see if they can find a QB

  88. 88 Joe Minx said at 1:21 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    If you’re Chip at what point do you just trust your talent evaluation & say, “look, we can’t keep changing QBs every year or 2 years here & expect this program to fully take root?” If you truly believe Bradford is your guy then you almost have to keep him. Chip knows there is an expiration date on his time here if he doesn’t win (which the fans & media have no doubt reminded him). If you’re constantly searching for your guy you may never get to establish your program.

    The only thing is if you’re wrong in your projection. Then your program goes down in flames because you got anchored to an albatross.

    This is not an easy decision. I don’t envy Chip.

  89. 89 Nailed It! said at 1:25 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Luckily he has three more huge games and then hopefully the playoffs to see how Sam can continue to mature in the offense.

  90. 90 botto said at 1:59 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    yeah we need defensive help though for these games coming

  91. 91 fran35 said at 2:05 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    We are getting Maxwell back just in time.

  92. 92 Tumtum said at 1:25 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    They knew they were swinging at a change-up with Sam. If you Strike on him, move on to the next pitch. Don’t just look at the next one holding onto Sammy.

    We all hope he turns out to be the guy. Things are looking better. Unfortunately the offense appears very flawed, so while his play has to improve, so does Chip. He has to overcome Chip’s flaws to really prove it.

  93. 93 fran35 said at 2:23 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I think that Chip as a coach will improve with time. I fear that his deficiencies as a GM may never be up to snuff. There is some value in having your coach and GM disagree a tad over talent evaluations and players. It keeps checks and balances.

  94. 94 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:44 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Defficiencies as a GM? What move turned out to be the wrong decision besides Murray?
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    Past two years, his evaluatipns solved a decade long safety problem and got us one Of the top safety tandems in the game.
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    He made a mistake on Murray, but hit HOMERUNS wth Sproles and Ryan
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    Getting rid of Herremans, Cole, even Mathis proved to be the right move. mathis body is breaking down, and that has continued in Denver. The move probably would look better had andrew Gardner not gotten hurt
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    He tried to keep Maclin..
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    KIKO doesn’t look great today, but would you be that shocked if he turns out to be one of those common cases of needing to wait Til two years removed From the injury To get back to who he was before the injury. Id wait Til next year before calling KIKO a bust. Buts that’s just me I guess
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    Heck after a rough start, Im very encouraged by the future of our CB tandem, Maxwell and Rowe..
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    Exactly what are these terrible GM mistakes besides Murray that people talk about?
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    I’m might even trust Chip as a GM more than I trust hiim as a coach, because as a Coach, I stilL think he needs to evolve, add some variety, learn from his mistakes before he can be a Great NFL coach..
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    For a 1st year as GM, im actually encouraged by the job Chip/Marynowitz did in year 1, hopefully they learn from mistakes and become even better in the GM role…
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    For me, my biggest concern was that it looked like chip lost the locker room, and I don’t know if that can be fixed once your playërs no longer believe in you which clearly proved to not be the case… Chip does have growing to do in both roles if we are to succeed, I think he is smart enough to realize that. At least I hope

  95. 95 FairOaks said at 10:47 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Murray in retrospect, though I sure didn’t think so at the time. I thought Mathis was a mistake at the time, and still do. That was a lose-lose. Yes he hasn’t been great in Denver, but like Bradford, it can take time to learn a new scheme, which he wouldn’t have had to do if he stayed. Perhaps he just wanted out — only thing that makes remote sense to me. The biggest mistake in retrospect though was letting Maclin go. That in turn meant we had only unproven WRs (and tried to recycle Miles Austin). And we would have avoided signing Murray if we had Maclin. By and large I was OK with most of his moves, but the offense has taken a major step back, for whatever reason.

  96. 96 Patrick said at 2:09 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    If Chip thinks Bradford is his guy, he doesnt almost have to keep him, he has to, no questions or if, ands or but’s.

    If Chip thinks Bradford is his guy, THE guy who will hoist the Lombardi, I truly question his abilities.

  97. 97 Insomniac said at 1:57 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Bradford might be our best option. I don’t feel like there’s a guy in the draft that can be a franchise QB but I’ve been wrong more times than I’ve been right on that (looking at you Bortles..and your gaudy stat page).

  98. 98 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:06 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    No matter what, BRADFORD will be the best option Next year… Even if we hit the lottery and spend a draft pick on a QB that becomes a Franchise QB, Bradford would still give us the best chance to win next year which I assume is what matters going into chips 4th year

  99. 99 Patrick said at 2:07 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Bradford will most likely give us a better chance to win more games next year, no question about that. Bradford will not give us a better chance of winning the super bowl. Not this year, not next year, not the year after that or any of the following years.

  100. 100 TypicalDouche said at 2:10 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I agree with you to an extent on the “Bradford not being able to lead the Eagles to a SB ever” comment. With the current structure of the team you are absolutely correct, but on the flip side if Chip can hit a homerun free agency and draft with quality players I think that in year 3 Bradford could give the Eagles a chance to go to or win a SB. A lot hinges on the roster decisions and Bradford’s continued improvement.

  101. 101 Patrick said at 2:34 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I feel like i’m repeating myself, but without a great QB, you’ll need a historic defense, not good, not top 5 that year, historic. 85 Bears, 2000 Ravens, 2002 Bucs or hell, even the 2013 Seahawks.

    Even with that, you’ll probably need a great fucking special teams, possibly even similarly historic. Pretty much like the Bears who went to lose against Peyton a couple years ago.

    Even with that, you’ll need a fucking great running offense. Maybe not historic, but at least in that discussion.

    Even with all that, you still have to hope you do not run into a similarly very complete team who matches up well against you, probably have to hope your just above average(my main concern with Bradford is not thats he’s bad, HE ISNT. Its that he is not, nor will he ever be, great) plays out of his fucking mind, career year and dominant playoff run like Flacco or Eli Manning have done. And frankly, hope the Brady, Rodgers Peyton or whoever is considered as a HoF QB that year, is not also having a similar career year to your QB. Maybe hope for some crucial injuries to the other team and none to you too.

    Is that possible for the Eagles? Well, our ST can look dominant, thats actually a possibility. However, Sproles is getting old and when we extend Cox, Logan, Lane, Ertz etc, + Bradford, how much money is left to pay dedicated great special teamsers?

    Defense, not gonna happen, at least until Billy D is gone. Going further than that, i’m talking historic. Our defense is good, maybe they can even be great, but outside of Cox, we currently have no player who is truly dominant. Sure, Jenkins and Logan are very good. At worst Graham, Barwin, Kendricks, Thurmond, Thornton are incredibly solid, flawed at times, but very strong players. Theres a good base, but we’re gonna have to start paying them and some will leave and we show no ability to draft new stars. We did however overpay a mediocre CB, which will hurt us greatly. How good can they be? We’ll see, but historic? The 2000 Ravens had Rod Woodson and Ray Lewis, HoF players leading that defense. The 2006 Bears had Urlacher and Briggs in their prime, Vasher and Tillman dominating, the couple of good years Tommie Harris and Tank Johnson had and they still lost. Listen, Kendricks is great, but he is not Ray Lewis or Brian Urlacher.

    Running game. Sure, Chips system might bring us there if he finds his 2013 form, but we still have a thinned OL who we might not be able to afford upgrading. We paid huge money to Murray, who even if he finds his form will struggle to be as dominant as last year, and we’re on to him for a couple of years at big money.

    We shot ourselves in the food with our spending, mainly on Maxwell and Murray. It can still happen, dominant can always happen, but I remain skeptical. Especially when you’re going for a type of roster that very rarely succeeds, the type without a great fucking QB. Every single SB winner had a great fucking QB or a guy just shy of that area who had a playoff run like Flaccos, meaning perfect and playing like a great fucking QB.

  102. 102 bill said at 2:53 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I can’t post a link for some reason, but you should look at an article on Eagles Rewind from a few years ago, entitled “necessary conditions for winning a super bowl.”

  103. 103 Patrick said at 5:01 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    He pretty much concludes what I said. He finds that offense, not QB is the deciding factor but thats a moot point, and if you dont have that, you need a historic defense. TBH its a pretty weak article.

    Its not a secret or anything. Brady, Russell, Manning Flacco, Kaepernick, Eli, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Kurt Warner, Rex Grossman, McNabb, the last 10 years SB QBs.

    Outside of Grossman who had a historic defense and ST alongside a great running offense,

    Flacco, who played lights out and looked like a great QB, and frankly is a guy like who could just as well be considered great, and probably should if Eli is,

    and then Kaepernick who hindsight look like a gimmick QB and honestly had a great fucking defense,

    every single one of those are arguably HoF QBs. Also, Grossman and Kaep both lost, and Flacco won against Kaep on a team with a great defense, ST and rushing offense.

    The formula for winning a Super Bowl draws a very clear picture: A great QB. If you like to extend that to offense, fine by me. Great offense kinda requires a QB to run it.

  104. 104 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:30 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Chip DOESNT hAve a contract past next year, so I’d say he will probably care a lot about who gives us the best chance next year. NO SHOT of chip coaching the team as a lame duck in year 5, which means we either extend chip after Next year, or he will Leave us and not coach us in year 5..
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    Decisions NEED to be made after Next season, so I wouldn’t scoff at chip wanting the QB that gives him the best chance to win next year, which he hopes will get him another big 5yr deal…
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    Consequently, who gives Him the best Chance NEXT YEAR is what will matter most, and That’s SAM…
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    Once we extend him and he has another 5 years of security, then we probably see chip spend a high pick on a young QB in the following go draft
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    You have to be a moron to trade for a QB who hasn’t played in two years if you weren’t willing to give him two years to really find out how good he can be, and I would like to think/hope, that our leader ISNT a Moron… We’ll see…

  105. 105 Patrick said at 2:43 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Thats a good point, Chip will play for his life. I’m OK with keeping Bradford as a caretaker. History has shown that great QBs arent solely drafted in the top of the draft. Maybe they even get drafted later.

    But i’m not paying Bradford like a franchise QB when he clearly is not one, franchise being defined as a SB winner. If he wants a contract anywhere close to Brady, Rodgers or Wilson whether thats total value, value/year or guaranteed money, then let him walk. Theres nothing worse than signing players to big contracts who arent worth it, look at the Ravens letting go of all their stars to keep Flacco because even though he is right on the border of great, he isn’t a great QB. I’d much rather let Bradford walk, if it means we can keep both Thornton and Curry + Thurmond even though we have money tied up in Cox, Logan, Jenkins and god help me Maxwell, and then still have the possibility to go out and pay some offensive linemen in FA.

    I’ll gladly give a great QB the biggest contract in the NFL. I have no issue with Seattle paying Wilson, he is the real deal. Pay your franchise QB because he is gonna win you the SB, but if you fuck up and give the contract to someone bad, i.e. Colin Kaepernick, you’re done, because it’ll bleed your roster and you wont have a QB to fall back on.

  106. 106 FairOaks said at 2:52 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Bradford is not getting close to what Rodgers / Wilson got. A lot of that heft is the guaranteed money though. He might get closer to what Tannehill got.

    A transition / franchise tag is different — it’s a bigger cap hit and money this year, but you are paying for the lack of commitment for future years. That will cost you $18-$20 million. If you want to sign him longer term, and guarantee some 2017 money as well as 2016, then you could get the average down probably between 15-18, and have 2016 cap hit be not much more than he’s making this year if that is what you need. But then he’s more than a caretaker.

    Flacco’s contract was tough — he had that team over the barrel by winning the SB in his contract year. Kaepernick isn’t such a bad contract — they don’t have any guaranteed money left to pay so they can cut him and save significantly on the cap (just the prorated signing bonus, which is sizeable but not debilitating). That is probably what we could do with Bradford — he is not going to command the strangling amounts of guaranteed money. Might be a high salary, and if he’s not worth it, then he can be cut.

    Main thing is, I’m not sure where Bradford’s ceiling is. He has continued to get better and he could well not being done improving. Maybe he could get to Carson Palmer levels (sure looked good in preseason). He needs better WRs too, for sure. I don’t think he’s good enough to win a SB today, but the question with contracts is, do you think he’ll be good enough in the future, given the other changes you plan on making.

  107. 107 Patrick said at 3:06 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I dont know, once Tannehills extension actually kicks in, he’ll get 20+ per year. Sure, increased cap and the Dolphins got a discount for a couple of years, but i’m not sure Bradford nor Tannehill is worth that. I do however see the point in extending a guy who have been consistently improving throughout his career for his potential, over a guy that hasn’t really changed from when he was a rookie and has missed more games than he has started. Still, i’d rather not pay Tannehill like Rodgers or Wilson either.

  108. 108 FairOaks said at 3:28 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    20 per year is about to get common. The big thing with Tannehill is that they barely guaranteed more money than he was going to get when they exercised the 5th year option anyways. So, it is not long-term debilitating. If he continues to improve, you’re paying him market rates, and if he falters, you can cut bait. A Bradford deal could easily be similar. Tannehill is 27 years old this season, Bradford 28 — their experience levels really aren’t all that different. Tannehill had 3 years of on-field experience coming into this year, Bradford 3.5. If you think the ACLs are chronic, that can change your judgement, but I doubt Kelly thinks that. And yes, Bradford does appear to be improving versus his early years still. He was quite poor (inaccurate) early this year which drags down his season averages but that has gotten a lot better.

  109. 109 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:13 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    History also shows that a QB needs more than 1 year in a system before we can see the best he has to offer.
    ..
    Unfortunately I see no way we can keep thornton in addition to the extensions we will have to give Cox and Logan. I think there is a chance of 2 or 3 more years of Curry, but we,are going to have to lose thornton and replace him with a rookie contract
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    Patriots and Bills win shows the importance of an elite Defensive Line, Thornton has been a stud for us, and adequately replacing Thornton is so Important that I wouldn’t be surprised if we spend our 1st round pick replacing Thornton.. I would bet money that if oregon DE Deforrest Buckner is still available when we pick in round 1, he will be an eagle.. And I think it has NOTHING to do with him playing for Oregon, the kid is just THAT GOOD, and the Big, long, 6’6 Frame is exactly what chip looks for in a DE..when I look at Buckner, I see a young Chandler Jones type, which would be an amazing replacement for Thornton. I know we need OL help, but I personally can’t see any way chip would pass on Buckner… The Problem is that if we make the playoffs, he probably won’t still be available if we end up picking in the 20’s…
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    Even if we can’t get Buckner, I think we will have to spend quality draft pick replacing Thornton. I like Taylor Hart, but I don’t like him as a Longterm starter, but I do like him rotating in Off the bench

    Unless you have one of the 5 best QBs in the game, I think you Must have an elite Defense, and an Elite Top OL/quality run game to be able to contend for a Super Bowl without having one of the Truley elite QBs…for Example, I don’t think Russell Wilson Would have a Super Bowl if we drafted him. Our defense hasn’t been good enough before this year for wilson to win with the way he succeeded in seattle..
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    I want to see serious investments in beefing up the DL, OL, and Secondary to an elite level, with quality depth… With an Elite OL. And a quality defense, I like our chances to contend with SAM, but it will require loading the roster around him with Talemt/Depth…

  110. 110 Sean Stott said at 2:14 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    We could have taken Carr or Bridgewater, but instead took MS2 >.<

  111. 111 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 2:32 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    True… but we no reason to believe Foles would die on us at that time. Hard to fault them with not taking a QB in the first round at that time

  112. 112 botto said at 2:20 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    so wait the gus bus has a great offense now?
    geez

  113. 113 Insomniac said at 2:41 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    It’s getting there. Bortles looking like poor man’s Aaron Rodgers at times.

  114. 114 Mac said at 3:16 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Some team that drafted a clown is regretting that decision (as predicted).

  115. 115 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:03 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Personally I think you would have to be brain dead to trade for a QB who couldn’t start practicing until August 1st and give up on him after the year, because going into the year you should realize that we Probably won’t see the best SAM has to offer this year, even if he is successful

    When you trade for a QB who hasn’t played in two years, and spent the majority of this offseason rehabbing a knee injury instead of training to play QB and build chemistry with new WRs, Im sure Chip new that there is simply no realistic way we were young to see the best SAM is capable of THIS YEAR, which is why I always maintained that getting SAM thru this year healthy is the single most important thing for this franchise…
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    Even Eli Manning who was a Giant for a Decade, struggled last year because they implemented a new offense and this year you are seeing a much more comfortable Eli…

    Not only do we have to give SAM more than this year if we want to see just how good it can get for him in this system, but Realistically, you won’t be able to get a QB who gives us a better chance to win then Bradford will next year. Even if you want to draft a rookie, it’s year 4 of chips tenure, so I still think he would want Bradford back for next year, even if he wants to draft a QB and start grooming him. A rookie QB won’t give us a better chance to win than SAM in year 2..
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    I also assume chip is smart enough to understand that he will never win ANYTHING at this level if he literally goes with a new QB each year.
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    There is just no way I see SAM not being an eagle next year. The ONLY chance I see of that is if SAM injures his Knee again…. If he gets thru the year healthy, he will be our QB next year..
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    For me the real question is, will Chip also draft a QB tp start grooming behind SAM? or will chip wamt to use his resources(money and draft picks) to put the best team he can arround SAM?
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    I think the biggest uncertainty is what happens to Sanchez if SAM is extended? Will we keep Sanchez as Insuramce for one more year, or cut Sanchez and make a rookie the #2 QB?.. Again, keeping Sanchez for one more year allows us to spend all our draft picks building around Braford..

  116. 116 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:17 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I don’t even think Chip can consider letting Bradford go..
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    In case we haven’t noticed, chip will be in his 4th year of a 5yr deal next year. What has to happen after NEXT year? Decide if Chip is getting extended or not, because if you don’t extend chip afyer next year, he won’t coach us in year 5 because chip won’t let us put him in position to be a lame duck coach.
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    So why would chip invest a draft pick in a QB this offseason, when it ismt a lock that chip will be here after next year. If chip had a great season this year and we were comfortable extending him now, than chip can invest a draft pick in a QB.. But because of this rocky season, chip is going to have to have a good season next year to ensure that he gets extended instead of having to quit because he refuses to be a Lame duck in year 5…
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    Since next year is a pivotal year for chips future in Philly, I assume he will see that SAM is his best chance to win, and invest his draft picks into puttimg the best team around SAM… Keep in mind, Mext year ISNT just important for chips eagle future, but if Chip has a horrible year next year, he may find it hard to get an NFL coaching jOB after his eagle days are over…
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    What I think will happen is Chip invest everything into trying to win with SAM next year. If he gets extended After next year and gets anothet 5 years of security, then Chip will draft a QB to start grooming behind Bradford assuming SAM is still healthy in 3 years..
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    too Much uncertainty for chip past this year to let SAM walk, and start over with a rookie QB… Think we will have to wait for chip to get a contract extension before he drafts a QB… I’m assuming both SAM and Sanchez back next year, maybe change the #3 QB if a backup QB we see some potential in hits the open market next year, we could take a flier on him, and hope we find the next Tyrod Taylor type

  117. 117 FairOaks said at 2:42 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Yeah… I’m guessing at this point they will franchise Bradford if they can’t get a deal worked out. Bit of an overpay, but it would be leverage for a more affordable, longer-term contract.

  118. 118 the DONALD said at 3:02 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Chip will get an extension this off-season, add 2-3 years..

  119. 119 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:35 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Plausible… But i see after next season as more likely. I actually think LURIE already decided that he will extend chip, but after this dissapointing year, Lurie may feel like it wouldn’t look good to extend chip after this season.. So even tho LURIE knows he will extend hm. They may wait Til next year to make it official and announce it…. But I would be fine with LURIE Gettimg it out of the way this offseason, since it’s clear that he has Not lost the respect of his locker room

  120. 120 Donald Kalinowski said at 2:58 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    49ers, Rams, Texans, Jets, and Browns are the teams the Eagles will be bidding against.

  121. 121 JoeBlow said at 3:03 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    i think the Niners and Browns are looking at their future guy in the draft…..possibly the Texans too with the O’ Brien/Hackenberg connection. Jets will resign Fitzy, and i don’t believe the Rams will want Sam back

  122. 122 TypicalDouche said at 3:12 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    You can also look at those exact teams and think that those teams would be willing to offer Bradford a 5 year incentive laded contract to be a bridge QB for any rookie. CLE is the real team I can see giving Sam a huge signing bonus to be the QB for 3 years before turning the reigns over to younger guy. Texans are a real dark horse for his services, is Obrien looking to get an experienced guy and win now or does he have the support by ownership to draft a QB and groom him. I think the Jets will resign Fitzpatrick.

  123. 123 JoeBlow said at 3:18 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    yea i didn’t consider the coaching situations of these teams either and if new guys are brought in will they want to get “their guy” right away and in which manner, through the draft or Free agency?

  124. 124 Media Mike said at 3:22 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    So you can transition tag him in that case.

  125. 125 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:53 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Whatever it takes to keep Him off the open market

  126. 126 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:27 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I don’t want to bid against ANYONE. I don’t believe in getting into a bidding war over our own playersl and I am hoping that our Rookie GM Chip LEARNED this lesson the hard way after losing MaclIn..
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    You work out an extension with SAM before the free agent market opens, if you can’t agree on an extension you franchise Tag him.. Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES do you allow him to reach the open market where teams are allowed to bid on him…. I would like to think that Losimg Maclin, has taught chip this important lesson.

  127. 127 ACViking said at 4:14 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Why would Condon let Bradford sign a deal before the free agency period?

    And to keep Bradford from reaching the “open market,” the Eagles would have to use the EXCLUSIVE franchise tag.

    That would pay Bradford $25 MM in 2016.

    And — if you’re Condon — you’d be thrilled. Because the Eagles will have established a $25 MM baseline for valuing Bradford’s services.

  128. 128 Ark87 said at 4:46 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Good point, but it works both ways, it’s boils down to a gamble. The deal Mathis didn’t like was received coming off 1 very nice season. We let him hit the market where he only got 1 serious offer from Baltimore (to Mathis and PFF’s horror), Howie called him, asked Mathis’ agent what Baltimore offered, and said he’d beat that with a smile.

    I’m a never ending skeptic of this line of GM’s with serious interest in Sammy B. Is there really anyone else in the NFL looking to make Sam a Franchise QB? I know plenty would love to do the 1 year rental. We’ll give him a franchise offer, I think the market would work in our favor.

  129. 129 anon said at 9:24 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    texas

  130. 130 FairOaks said at 4:46 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I don’t think we’d need the exclusive tag. No team is going to want to give up two first rounders for Bradford on top of a market deal.

  131. 131 jaws80 said at 7:56 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    maybe one good thing about all of the Madden GM like moves Kelly did last year is to give him somewhat of a reputation as a wild card. Hard as an agent to say you know what Kelly will or wont do. If Kelly says, if you test the market our interest might wane, who knows, maybe he goes for the two zone read options likely available.

  132. 132 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:31 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Assume the Jets extend Fitzpatrik and continue to Develope bryce Petty.
    .
    Add cutting Fitzpatrik to the list of bone headed decisions Bill Obrien made as Houston HEADCoach. Fitzpatrik has been much better than any QB the Texans played this year..
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    I simply don’t believe anyone will chose Cleveland over Philly lol
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    No way the Rams try to sigń Bradford..
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    Realistic competitipn is Texans and Niners, which is why we never even allow Bradford to reach the open market

  133. 133 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 3:32 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I think the Niners go get Goff in the draft

  134. 134 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:40 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Plausible lol one Of these poor young QBs will get stuck in Cleveland..
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    Cleveland has drafted a ton of QBs yet they haven’t had a franchise QB in Decades! It’s been so bad I don’t even know what to compare it to

  135. 135 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 3:47 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I think they grab Lynch. Pettine doesn’t seem like he wants Johnny to even succeed with the Browns. He is looking for an excuse to dump the guy and grab another QB

  136. 136 JoeBlow said at 3:42 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Goff plays literally 15 minutes from Levi Stadium in Santa Clara

  137. 137 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:52 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Yeah I doubt the niners have the Balls to pass on a cal QB like Goff after they took Alex Smith instead of Aaron Rodgers who played in their back yard.
    ..
    I assume the consensus expectation is Paxton to Cleveland, Goff to the niners

  138. 138 JoeBlow said at 4:53 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    pretty much

  139. 139 Sam Bradfords Chicken Legs said at 3:27 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    It’s all in the legs.

  140. 140 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 3:31 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Eagles are working out that kid from the CFL today or tomorrow. 6’4″ WR and the best in the CFL.

    Still looking for that number 1 WR threat.

  141. 141 Mac said at 4:38 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Still looking for WR who can catch the ball more often than not.

  142. 142 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:31 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Tomorrow the Eagles are working out Eric Rodgers who is the top Wt in the CFL… He is working out with someone else today tho

  143. 143 botto said at 5:26 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    they said 14 other teams.
    but we need him most I think

  144. 144 P_P_K said at 3:36 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Regardless of a contract offer from the Eagles, it’s possible that Sam just won’t want to stay in Philly and play behind a weak O-line with a crop of grade B receivers.

  145. 145 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:41 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Franchise Tag solves that problem, and buy you time to build an OL and WR corp that makes him happy

  146. 146 P_P_K said at 4:29 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I agree. Regardless of how he plays the rest of the season, I’d like to see what he can do with another under Chip’s system. Of course, if he plays well next year this discussion becomes even more intense and expensive after that.

  147. 147 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 3:42 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I think it all comes down to money. Guy seems likes he liked the situation he’s in. He has the support of his teammates and the coaching staff. They’re winning right now and there’s reason to hope for the future.

    I think the team and the QB want each other… its going to come down to him and his agent getting agreeing on a contract the team is willing to accept.

  148. 148 P_P_K said at 4:27 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I wonder if he really wants to stay. He certainly didn’t commit at the beginning of the season and his recent comments don’t give any indication that he love being in Philly.

  149. 149 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 4:29 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    He just wants to be paid
    He didn’t want a cheap team friendly deal the Eagles probably tried to get him to sign, esp after that GB game in the preseason

  150. 150 JoeBlow said at 4:31 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    i watched him make those comments and i thought the exact opposite. He basically gave the same answer every athlete gives when they are in a contract year, but i thought Sam’s attitude and demeanor were positive when answering

  151. 151 P_P_K said at 4:36 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I only read his comments. Cool. Thanks.

  152. 152 A Roy said at 3:51 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Because the assumption is Kelly is so stoopid he will continue to neglect the O-Line? Agholor won’t improve either? Just because we haven’t seen Token lately doesn’t mean you need to take his/her place.
    Personally, I don’t think Sam’s a SB winning QB and the sooner he jumps for $$, the sooner we get down to business getting a franchise QB.

  153. 153 P_P_K said at 4:26 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Not that assumption. Just that Sam might have options put before him that might factor in when he makes his decision.

  154. 154 Gary Barnes said at 3:44 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I think Chip has to keep Bradford, not because he is the best option available etc., but because Chip painted himself into a corner. Re-signing Sanchez to a generous backup contract, giving up the 2nd rd pick and paying Bradford $13M to “learn on the job” makes bailing on those investments now unfeasible IMO.

    Chip better pray Bradford signs for short term & cheap and stays healthy or it has the potential again to be a unmitigated disaster.

    Bradford has all the leverage. He has been paid handsomely (fortifying the tens of millions he already made off the Rams) to rehab his career and now can either shop around for the best situation for himself or hold the Eagles over a barrel since they have zero other good options.

    The Eagles could play hard ball, let Bradford walk and sign Kap or RGIII or hope some other compromised ex-star QB comes free, but the chances are slim with any of those choices IMO. Either way, with Kap, RGIII or someone else, they would have to go through a “training” year just like Bradford is doing now or several if it is a draft pick.

    So, Chip is stuck with Bradford for better or for worse. He better get cracking on fixing the OL and WR positions so that not only Bradford, but his other gamble, Murray, can succeed here to the level we need them to. Bradford needs a stellar offensive supporting cast and a good D and ST to lead us to where we all want to end up. Chip has his work cut out for himself due to his own decisions and, if Bradford does not pan out, it all comes crashing down.

  155. 155 JoeBlow said at 3:48 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    i don’t think Bradford has much leverage at all…..not many options for him, and what has he really done to create a bidding war for his services?

    But i do agree Chip painted himself into a corner with Bradford, although i’m not sure he sees it that way, i honestly think he believes Bradford is basically his “draft pick qb” that he is now developing for this team

  156. 156 Gary Barnes said at 4:01 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Bradford definitely has the leverage.

    He has the leverage with the Eagles because they’ve already invested a hell of a lot in him and have no other options internally. He knows, if the Eagles do not keep him, they will be hamstrung by the high demand/low supply market for QB and thus up a creek without a paddle. Chip is entering his 4th year of a 5 yr contract and needs to produce great results.

    He has the leverage also because other teams have bad current QB and are very desperate to find a better solution. Some of them certainly have more cap space then the Eagles and will be tempted by the same things Chip was: 1st overall pick, great college career, low career TD/INT ratio, accurate arm, intelligence etc. Bradford most likely will get offers if he is put on the open market – if he continues to play well he definitely will.

    All the Eagles can do is franchise him if a contract cannot be worked out which, if history serves, usually ends up burning the bridge with the player not to mention damaging the team’s cap situation at a time when other good Eagles need to be taken care of too.

  157. 157 JoeBlow said at 4:15 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I don’t think those teams are breaking the bank for Bradford though. They will want younger cheaper options so they can build the rest of their teams and i just don’t see them going after a guy who once again put together a pretty underwhelming season and is an injury risk.

    I still don’t see all this leverage he has with the Eagles. A 2nd rounder is a hell of a lot? a second rounder is nice but i don’t really have a problem parting with it. The team does have options outside of Bradford, the draft/Free Agency and they could still trade like last year.

    If anything i think Sam is still kicking himself over not signing an extension (if that was true) earlier this season. I mean isn’t he still ranked near last in the league in most QB categories. Flacco had the Ravens bent over a barrel because he won a SB in a contract year, Bradford has his team trying to get above .500 and putting up pedestrian stats while doing so.

  158. 158 Gary Barnes said at 4:30 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Disagree. The best chance for the Eagles and Chip to win next season is Bradford at QB. Any other vet like Kap or RGIII will take at least half a season if not longer to learn/adjust to Chip’s scheme, the coaches and the personnel they are playing with. Any draft pick will likely take several years.

    Bradford and his agent know this. That is leverage added to the 2nd rd pick, the $13M and all the time, sweat, tears and blood expended this season to get Bradford up to speed and healthy. If the Eagles let him walk, all that was for naught.

    The QB market in the NFL is very very weak outside of the elite few that teams never give up and a 2nd tier that very rarely become available unless injured or arrested or suspended etc. i.e. baggage of some sort.

    I think the Eagles should sign one of those compromised vets if possible (and let Sanchez go) to backup Bradford and also draft a QB fairly high so we have a development piece to groom, but Bradford is the only option the Eagles have currently or could likely get that could help them take a major step next season.

  159. 159 JoeBlow said at 4:33 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    perhaps are we disagreeing on what exactly he will be paid? and what is fair?

  160. 160 JoeBlow said at 4:34 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    i agree with your final paragraph about drafting a guy high btw

  161. 161 Gary Barnes said at 5:28 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Thanks Joe. It is hard to know other than what the market will bear which for QB, due to the scarcity of good ones and availability of pretty much none of them, could be quite high unfortunately. We’ve certainly seen mediocre ones cash in big and good ones watch the Brinks truck back up to their door. Bradford I think is somewhere in between mediocre and good. Due to his injury history and flaky performance the first half of the season, I could see a chance the Eagles can grind him down (where is Joe Banner when you need him?), but other teams will be sniffing around Bradford IMO and all it takes is one team willing to roll the dice (Hello, KC on Maclin) to lose the guy. I’m hoping for some type of bridge deal that works for both sides – it gives Bradford a way out if he performs and gives the Eagles a way out if he does not.

  162. 162 botto said at 5:13 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Sanchez gives Bradford all the leverage. He saw those games too

  163. 163 Gary Barnes said at 5:42 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    No doubt. I know Chip re-signed Sanchez as a safety valve, break glass only in emergencies type of backup, but that signing closed off the chance to bring in better competition and Chip should have known what Sanchez was after last season. I’d let him go this off-season: go with Bradford/RGIII and a draft pick.

  164. 164 anon said at 6:51 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Sanchez’s stats weren’t bad last year. If he could improve w/ another year in the system he’d be worth the price, especially if Bradford ended up not looking good.

  165. 165 Media Mike said at 7:09 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    No thanks on RGMe.

  166. 166 daveH said at 9:04 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    No Kap.. but rg3 is a nice diceroll

  167. 167 Mac said at 3:51 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Funny how Chip does the professional coaching thing “yes I like my player” and Bradford does the professional player thing saying “I’m focused on the next game not off-season negotiations” and somehow that’s a story.

    Comon’ man.

  168. 168 holeplug said at 5:05 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    gotta get dem clicks tho

  169. 169 botto said at 5:07 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Extra Extra! read all about it!
    Coach likes player, Player focused on game, What are they not telling us?

  170. 170 Joe Minx said at 6:00 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Troll media gonna troll.

  171. 171 Tumtum said at 7:20 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    The only thing noteworthy in all that is that if you look back to Kelly’s 100 years comment. His sarcasm there and seriousness now sort of show me he never liked Nick.

  172. 172 Bert's Bells said at 3:58 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Final 7 games, you mean.

  173. 173 GermanEagle said at 3:59 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I see what you did there. Like.

  174. 174 Insomniac said at 4:44 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    He meant going undefeated next preseason.

  175. 175 P_P_K said at 4:58 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Ouch.

  176. 176 P_P_K said at 4:00 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Sounds good to me.

  177. 177 NinjaP said at 4:41 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Sam hasn’t been good this year and will probably never be a good QB in the NFL. That’s ok there arent a lot of them. Would rather not waste the eagles time with an average or below that QB.

  178. 178 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 4:49 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Have you watched him play that last few weeks?He has been good.

  179. 179 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:59 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Kid is even stepping up in the pocket and overcoming the fact that Tobin is a human Turnstile… Tobin got Embarressed on the TD pass to AGHOLAR. Bradfords pocket presence made that play!
    ..
    If our WRs caught every ball that hits them directly in their hands, Bradfords completion percentage would probably be close to 75% since the carolina game..
    ..
    Stats don’t do justice to how well he has played as of late. Top rated QB throwing of off roll outs? Who the hell would have ever guessed that?
    ..
    Can’t wait to see what he looks like behind an upgraded OL, with WRs being a year older, and SAM learning this offense inside out. Shame we don’t get to see him play behind the elite run game we expected to see this year. Hopefully OL upgrades fix that

  180. 180 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 5:05 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I wonder if St Louis is regretting the trade

  181. 181 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:10 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Are they even starting FOles tonight against the Bucs?

  182. 182 JoeBlow said at 5:38 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    no, i believe Keenum gets the start

  183. 183 Gian GEAGLE said at 6:03 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Lol then they prob regret the trade…. Sucks, I wanted to watch FOles vs Jameis

  184. 184 anon said at 6:50 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    If you liked Foles you don’t wan’t to watch him now. It’s no bueno. The bad habits have gotten worse.

  185. 185 daveH said at 9:02 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Get foles back again..love it

  186. 186 botto said at 6:08 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    would you?

  187. 187 fran35 said at 6:30 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I would too. Despite all of the recent Bradford Bandwagon jump ons, the guy looks no better than Foles did last year before getting hurt. We got fleeced by the Rams. A 2d rounder and 4th rounder? Plus a young QB that had one pro bowl under his belt and was one year removed from nfl records? We got fleeced. I am not sure that Foles is a franchise qb, but we were not close to knowing and he cost $700 000.

  188. 188 botto said at 8:02 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Bradford is better then foles, with upside still untapped.

  189. 189 fran35 said at 11:07 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I disagree. However, it’s all semantics. Neither will be in Canton or be a Pro Bowl MVP.

  190. 190 anon said at 6:49 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Nah gives coach another reason to stick around another year. they get a pick. Plus they might be the LA Rams in the fall.

  191. 191 Anders said at 3:48 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    I have read that the Rams might not move

  192. 192 Patrick said at 5:07 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Bradford was arguably outplayed or at least matched by Tyrod Taylor if you consider stats great source of value.

    Tyrod Taylor… The guy also happens to have a passer rating very similar to Tom Brady this season.

    Obviously Tyrod Taylor and Bradford is equal to Tom Brady then. A real trio of Hall of Famers.

    Or we could stop trying to make Sam Bradford look dominant by cherrypicking stats and actually watch him play and realize that theres a huge step to be had if Bradford will ever be worth the trade and/or contract

  193. 193 Tumtum said at 7:18 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I would rather have Tyrod.

  194. 194 JoeBlow said at 7:59 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    it will be an interesting off-season up there in Buffalo. Their GM sort of gave a half-hearted endorsement of Taylor and Taylor is only making $1 million next season….i smell a holdout possibly and the Bills may have a decision to make

  195. 195 Tumtum said at 1:43 AM on December 19th, 2015:

    As a GM endorsing him publicly, before paying him, only hurts his bargaining position.

  196. 196 Anders said at 3:47 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    Can we get Sammy Watkins and Wood as well?

  197. 197 Tumtum said at 7:17 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Let’s not be crazy. Maybe his completion % would be 75 the last two games. He was way off early in the year.

  198. 198 NinjaP said at 5:21 AM on December 20th, 2015:

    Good means more than average.

  199. 199 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:09 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Why do the Eagles keep making Murray available to reporters? What do they expect him to say? I don’t expect the reigning rushiñg champion to be happy with 8 carries. So what’s there to talk about? Can’t the media talk to someome who contributed a little more than 8 carries?
    ..
    What is the point of making Murray available To media when all they will do is poke him and prod him trying to get him to say something negative? No RB is happy with 8 carries, so what else could the media possibly have to ask demarco about? Why do the Eagles put him in that position? Why does the media even bother wasting access on Murray? Even if Murray was doing great here, he is known as a “CIA Agent” because you can barely ever get him to say anything?
    ..
    Id rather send Sproles, KElce, or Jason Peters to the podium to answer questions for the offense… murray is basically just our short yardage back. We have established he ismt happy, he isn’t contributing much, WHAT does the media expect to get out of Murray? I don’t get it

  200. 200 CHRIS said at 5:24 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I don’t think they care about the actual answers, as much as the page clicks that ensue

  201. 201 botto said at 5:12 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    why would sam want to take on another system a new coach, etc.. at this point again? stay and play we pay you slay everything turns out OK.

  202. 202 anon said at 5:40 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    they’ve seen what happens to Qbs after they leave here, if you can’t make it here you can’t make it anywhere.

  203. 203 A_T_G said at 6:37 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    We are like the anti-New York.

  204. 204 eagleyankfan said at 2:02 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    um — money. Same reason why he didn’t want an extension….

  205. 205 Gian GEAGLE said at 6:02 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    As well as Sam is playing, im getting tired of WR’s failing him. And that shit ISNT going to fly this week against Arizona. The Offense is going to have to score because a good game for our Defense this week is holding Arizona offense to 24 points like last year..
    ..
    it was great to see AGHOLAR make a play this week, but extremely frustrating that we had 3 drops on well placed balls on 3rd down that ended drives in which SAM did his job to extend, and one those 3rd down drops came from AGHOLAR. On top of these 3 terrible 3rd down drops, Coop couldn’t hold on to the bomb early in the game, and worse of all, Celek not coming down on the two yard line catching a well placed ball because he allowed a tiny DB to rip it out of his hands. bradford threw a nice ball to put us on the two yard line in position to score, yet Celek and the Referees took that away from SAM.
    ..
    I’ll tell you right now, we can’t beat the Cardinals if our Wrs and TEs DONT step up and Do their damn job when SAM puts balls on the money for them to make a play..
    ..
    SAM is doing his part, Manuevering a shaky pocket thanks to turnstile tobin not being able to block anyone, and buying time for these WRs to get open, then he is delivering strikes with great ball placement and its time our WRs step up and do their damn job because we can’t beat the Cardinals without the WRs eliminating the Drops.. The Offense has to score this week and it shouldn’t be a problem when SAM is playing as well as he is..

    Miles Austin is gone, time for these kids to grow up fast, and take ownership of the WR Corp… Young WRs wish they were in a position like AGHOLAR, Jordan and Huff, as premier WRs on a team that’s getting good QB play, time they grow up and take advantage of The great opportunity they have.. ERTZ stepped up when we needed him to last week, now that the competition increases with arizona coming to Town, time for the young WRs to really step up and help us win this game…
    ..
    Think the offense took a big step last week cleaning up all the dumb penalties we used to commit, need to carry that focus and play mistake free ball this week. chip Kelly has put up a ton of points and yards against The Cardinals defense. FOles threw for like 400 yards on them, chip is going to give SAM a gameplan to light them up, it’s up to the WRs to step up this week and make the plays when opportunity knocks.
    . Fitzgerald, fLoyd and John Brown will make plays, it’s time the WRs to have some Pride and Produce in our toughest test…. If the offense commits penalties and drops well placed Balls we won’t be able to beat an opponent like the Cardinals..we have to come together and play our best game. Puppies need to grow up…

  206. 206 Joe Minx said at 6:04 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I will be shocked if we even catch a glimpse of the WRs this week. PP & The Honey Badger will make them disappear. Arizona struggles with TEs so this needs to be an Ertz/Celek-heavy game. And please, more Sproles.

  207. 207 Mitchell said at 6:12 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Dont forget Burton!

  208. 208 Joe Minx said at 6:18 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I’d love to see him more. You’d think with as bad as the receivers have been we would have by now. Of course you also would have thought we’d have seen more Sproles but it took until 2 weeks ago for that to happen.

  209. 209 A_T_G said at 6:41 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    We are saving him for the NFC Championship game, where we will unveil the Sproling package. Belicheck will then scramble to counter these new plays for the Super Bowl where we will again blow him away with our secret weapon.

  210. 210 anon said at 6:45 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    He looks much faster than ertz, even though ertz stays open it’d be cool to see him in on a play or two.

  211. 211 Tumtum said at 7:48 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Runs better than Murray!

  212. 212 Bob Brewer said at 7:01 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Completely agree. Ertz needs to stop this crap. All of them do.

    I’m trying to think of a memorable catch by a WR this year and coming up empty.

  213. 213 Media Mike said at 7:08 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Amen. These clowns dropping passes and our O-line refusing to block on a regular basis has been really frustrating.

  214. 214 BobSmith77 said at 11:40 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Still don’t think the pass protection has been all that bad this year although they have had some rough games. Run blocking and the personnel in this scheme that has been really tough to watch at times.

  215. 215 bill said at 9:04 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    Not necessarily aiming this at you, but just a general quibble I’ve had most of this year. Many people have said that the OL was good at pass pro most of the year, but I get the feeling they see a handful of plays a game where the QB has a lot of time and think that things were dandy. It only takes a few good hits to knock a QB off his game – see Brady in the Patriots game. A really brutal game is like 9 sacks. Out of (conservatively) 50 plays a game. And it doesn’t even need to be hits – “moving him off his spot” is also very effective.

    Most games this season the OL has given up a fair number of hits, even though the playcalling has really shortened the pass game to get the ball out quicker for most of the game. People keep asking to see more aggressive pass plays, but I think the OL hasn’t generated the necessary trust in Chip or the QBs for that to really be the case. It’s not as obvious as it can be in the run game, but I think they’ve been equally bad in pass pro.

    The thing that really shines for me is how much worse Sanchez looked this year vs. last. Not that he was good last year, but he won a few games. I thought he was awful this year, and I think that’s a reflection of how much more is on the QB’s shoulders this year.

  216. 216 D3FB said at 9:13 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    Eagles are 14th in Total Pressures Allowed (Sacks+Hurries+Hits)

  217. 217 bill said at 9:20 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    That’s about where I would have guessed. Not bad, but not good. I would guess that the numbers improved somewhat over the season, much like the run blocking did, too. I would describe them as “wildly inconsistent,” which is not a good thing for building trust with a QB or RB. Probably better to be consistently average for those purposes.

  218. 218 D3FB said at 10:09 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    I think when Peters plays they are pretty decent in pass pro. Tobin still isn’t great there but Bradford seems to be realizing the kind of istuations Tobin is going to struggle in.

  219. 219 Insomniac said at 7:13 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Agholor’s one handed grab.

    Other than that well..our WRs do suck at making a play on the ball.

  220. 220 truehaynes said at 7:57 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    That catch was pretty sick. Although I thought he could have went for it with two I guess it doesn’t matter when you make the catch

  221. 221 Tumtum said at 7:15 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    2nd 26

  222. 222 daveH said at 9:00 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Jason Peters owns that highlight

  223. 223 Media Mike said at 7:29 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    The whole backdrop on Bradford is what exactly can you replace him with.

    http://walterfootball.com/draft2016QB.php

    I’m not sure what names on here we could actually get to come in here and be that franchise level guy if Bradford isn’t it.

    There are some names of interest, but a lot of trash as well.

  224. 224 daveH said at 8:58 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    “It will be interesting” .. no it wont . Yes it will. This phrase used to get me crushed in enhlish class.
    I stopped using it because everything is already interesting. Duh.

  225. 225 anon said at 8:59 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    STL looks good w Keenum.

  226. 226 Tumtum said at 9:01 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    So how does this team beat Arizona? Sure feels like the best team they have faced this year.

  227. 227 JoeBlow said at 9:02 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    don’t turn the ball over, don’t give up big plays on defense and capitalize on any mistakes Arizona makes

  228. 228 kajomo said at 9:06 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I think people really need to get over Sam’s play the first 5- 6 games this season. The guy changed teams, changed systems, had new coaches and teammates, missed OTAs, had very limited preseason snaps, and was coming off two torn ACLs. The limited preseason action gave us all unrealistic expectations.

    Sam has played well for several weeks now. He finally looks healthy. This will be the first time in 3 years he can spend an offeason working on his game instead of rehabbing. I feel that, along with another year in the system should help him improve next year.

    The other key is Chip needs to fix this OL and add a reliable recieving option.

  229. 229 Tumtum said at 9:31 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    If he finishes the year 1-2 600 yards 2 td 6 in, do you still want him back?

  230. 230 truehaynes said at 9:35 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    i think the minimum for him to be back would be 2-1 600 yards 4 tds 2 ints. alhtough that mainly hinges on the 2-1 record and getting into the playoffs

  231. 231 kajomo said at 10:07 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I dont like putting such strict standards like that in place. Our OL and WRs are bad. Our defense has proven that the can give up 40+ points any given game. Im going to judge Sam on how he plays and tge things he can control.

  232. 232 anon said at 10:14 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I’d like to see him be a bit more aggressive. I’d like to see 250-300yds per game 2:1 Td int ratio OR wins.

  233. 233 kajomo said at 11:46 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I get what you are saying, but I do feel some of that is out of his control. How many drives are killed by dropped passes or penalties on the OL? I think he’ll play well these final three games.

  234. 234 kajomo said at 10:05 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    With the way Sam has been playing that seems extremely unlikely. That said if that happens my faith in him would waiver as I would feel that his good stretch of games was a fluke or prove that he is inconsistent. Luckily we all have at least 3 more games to evaluate him.

    My only point is that those first games are extremely unfair to judge him on. Right after that Giants game things seemed to click for Bradford. Everyone can see him playing with more confidence and he started taking care of the ball. I feel its more likely he funishes 2-1 with 800 yards, 6TDs, and 2 Ints. Would you not sign him because he had a bad stretch in the beginning of the season as he adjusted?

  235. 235 Tumtum said at 10:55 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Ok how about this one. Say he plays lights out this week and beats Az, then blows out his acl the first quarter next week?

    Just having fun with where we stand on him.

  236. 236 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 10:56 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    There’s no fun in that …

  237. 237 kajomo said at 11:48 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    You bite your tongue!

    Sam has always been a huge risk because of his injury history. If Chip overlooked that to trade for him I doubt it changes when it comes to re-signing him. It would certainly impact the contract his would be able to get though.

  238. 238 meteorologist said at 1:12 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    I think Sam would retire at that point

  239. 239 Tumtum said at 1:40 AM on December 19th, 2015:

    I think almost no matter what they should sign him for 1 year if they can. I think anything long term should be decided after that. I more on your side than anything else. Just being a bit of a troll for fun. I just can’t be 100% sold on him.

    Despite the vastly improved level of play, you have to admit that the offense just needs to produce better. For better or worse the QB gets the praise or takes the blame.

  240. 240 bill said at 8:39 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    I agree with both of you, basically. I think it’s fair to expect Sam to continue to be the guy we’ve seen recently and even improve on that in the last three games. There are valid reasons to believe that.

    But he’s still got to go out and do it. His track record doesn’t give him any room for slack at this point.

    Which doesn’t mean he can’t look good with a bad stat line, especially this week against a very good defense making a push for playoff seeding. This team has enough problems on offense right now that it might play out that Sam would have to put the team on his back to make the offense do anything. I’m not expecting him to be that, not now, and maybe not ever. I’m hoping he can be the “point guard,” anything more is gravy right now. Problem is, the guys around him right now are not good enough to allow the point guard to shine. Let them develop more, and add some OL talent, and hopefully they will.

  241. 241 Tumtum said at 1:36 AM on December 19th, 2015:

    I think if Chip get the system right all we need is a good point guard. I am actually high on Sam right now, but that is a very week to week proposition at this point.

    Just having fun with it.

  242. 242 JoeBlow said at 9:10 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Report came out today that Jeff Fisher and GM Les Snead are safe to return in 2016…..Fisher has nine lives

  243. 243 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 9:24 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    People are still calling for Chip’s job

  244. 244 Cafone said at 9:12 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    It’s not too late to bring in Brandon Bridge for a look.

  245. 245 JoeBlow said at 9:20 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    That Aaron Donald is one hell of a football player

  246. 246 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 9:25 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Does St Louis roll Keenum out there in 2016?

  247. 247 anon said at 9:40 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Yeah i think they use their 1 and 2 to draft more DL

  248. 248 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 9:43 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    LOL. Another DL is the last thing they need.

  249. 249 Greg Richards said at 10:22 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Actually, Chris Long will likely be a cap casualty and both William Hayes and Eugene Sims will be UFAs so they will have a need for DL. Not necessarily 1st round.

  250. 250 JoeBlow said at 10:28 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Rams could be a team that targets Vinny Curry

  251. 251 anon said at 10:36 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    would you rather have curry or a 2nd?

  252. 252 JoeBlow said at 11:01 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Curry, he’s proven

  253. 253 JoeBlow said at 11:15 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Rams may also have to shell out some coin to keep Janoris Jenkins who i believe is going to test the market…..Josh Norman also will be a Free Agent….wonder what kind of money they will get after looking how well Maxwell cleaned up

  254. 254 D3FB said at 8:31 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    Not sure I see the dichotomy

  255. 255 bill said at 8:32 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    Good question. I want to keep Curry, but if Chip thinks he can’t keep at the # they need, that trade would be enticing. Not sure the Rams do it, though.

  256. 256 jpate said at 9:29 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Those uniforms make you long for black and white tvs

  257. 257 anon said at 9:40 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    thought i was watching college or CFL

  258. 258 JoeBlow said at 9:52 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    or the XFL?

  259. 259 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 9:40 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I still cant believe the Bucs let Donald get away with shoving Winston twice

  260. 260 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 9:49 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    What are the chances these guys hit FA ? Kirk Cousins, Cleveland’s Johnny Manziel, Denver’s Brock Osweiler, Buffalo’s Tyrod Taylor and the Jets’ Ryan Fitzpatrick. It’s not terrible, but it’s not great, either.

  261. 261 D3FB said at 8:30 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    Manziel isn’t an FA. He has 2 years left on his rookie deal. They could probably get a late round pick for him in a trade and even if they cut him he would be subject to waivers.

  262. 262 SteveH said at 9:53 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Opinions on Bradford are so varied… I basically see a guy who is sort of a little better version of Alex Smith on a good day. And honestly, if that’s how he plays, we could win a Superbowl with that, provided we have a strong D and run game to back him up.

    I really really don’t expect him to suddenly Aaron Rodgers it up. It could be as he becomes more comfortable in our system he’ll see the Chip Kelly QB rating boost, which is nice, but the eyeball test is what really matters, and lately he has looked competent.

    And competent might be all we need. Chip wants to run the ball, and we have an emerging defense with some legitimate superstars on it.

    We’re in a tough spot though. If we extend Bradford with big money and he doesn’t elevate his game to a level that’s Superbowl worthy then that could set our franchise back for years. There’s nothing worse than a guy that leads you to a 9-7 record or a one and done playoff berth every year, because you won’t get close to the trophy, and you won’t have the draft picks to grab a superstar to replace him.

    We can chatter all we want about Bradford, but we know Chip is all in on him The only question is what kind of a contract are we going to give him. I’d say we should get comfortable with Bradford as the face of the franchise, and time will tell whether that was wise or not.

  263. 263 FairOaks said at 10:20 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I see a guy who is slowly improving each week. I didn’t get to see much of last week other than NFL Replay… first half stats OK other than too many 3 and outs, second half was ugly, but reading everything it sounds like he was pretty accurate on his throws — they just weren’t being caught.

    So, the question isn’t what is he right now, rather how much better can he get. No, he’s not going to be a Rodgers… but could he be a Palmer, or close to that? The offense has not been good enough, which I thought was going to be the least of our concerns, but the main question is if the problem is Murray, the OL, the WRs, or Bradford. If it’s a combination of the first three… that’s an easier problem to fix than trying to find a good QB. You could try to sign 4-year backups like Tyrod Taylor and see if you get lucky, but… that’s a low-percentage approach. Of course even Taylor does have a Sammie Watkins. Another might be a reclamation project like RGIII or Kaepernick, but… if we think we have someone who can get to Palmer-like levels I think you try and stick with that.

  264. 264 anon said at 10:36 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Throws look good, but offense moves so slow. Part of fun of offense was watching tempo. Basically playing ball control and crossing fingers w/ sam right now.

  265. 265 FairOaks said at 10:57 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Maybe that is something that can come in time. It looked like the tempo was harming us more than the other team early in the year. Tempo was also not a strategy you wanted to play against New England. But yeah, it would be nice to see the tempo be able to be faster at times. Not sure if that is Bradford, or is more of an OL thing (needing time to get blocks straight), or what.

  266. 266 SteveH said at 11:39 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Yeah tempo is definitely a problem. Sanchez might kind of suck, but you can see a noticeable difference in the tempo when he is in the game. Much quicker to the line, everyone moving with more of a sense of urgency.

    Maybe Sam will get that in time but… I think he’s just a more methodical guy out there.

  267. 267 bill said at 8:30 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    It seems fairly obvious the OL just can’t handle the tempo this year. They were getting trounced in all phases when they went at lightning speed early in the year.

    That said, I thought this week I saw the offense move more quickly than it had since week 4. Don’t have stats to back that up, and it certainly wasn’t every drive, but there were 1 or 2 drives that they started to put their foot on the accelerator in my subjective view. Nothing like 2013 or 2014, but they (the OL) seem to be able to use it in limited situations without completely blowing their assignments.

  268. 268 SteveH said at 9:58 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Another thing to consider, just to toss this out there, is if we give Bradford a megabucks contract, how does that impact our ability to sign all our young talent who are coming into contract time? Fletcher Cox is going to command a monster contract, Bennie Logan should get a decent one too, we already extended Kendricks and Graham, I imagine guys like Thurmond will get paid at some point, I want us to keep Ced Thornton for continuity but he might not stick even if we want him. Then there’s the Maxwell and Murray contracts hanging over our head…

    If we give Bradford a big contract, there’s no way it can’t impact our ability to build the roster in other ways. Just a thought.

  269. 269 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 10:06 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    That’s what happens when you have a QB. You have to pay him. Look at all the “talented” teams that don’t have a QB. They go no where every year.

    What happened to AZ without Palmer? Look at the Texans and Rams; they would be different teams with an average to good QB.

    And Sam was on fire last week. If Celek doesn’t get ripped and a few other guys catch the ball on third down he has a different stat line. Same thing with the Car game.

    I think you see a guy who gaining command of the offense and the confidence of his teammates; not to mention knocking off the rust. I think we give him a chance and roll with him. We cant keep starting every season with a new QB.

  270. 270 SteveH said at 11:38 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Sam was on fire? Ok.

  271. 271 FairOaks said at 10:08 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    He’s counting 13 million against the cap this year. A franchise tag would be a hit, but you can structure longer-term contracts such that you get much lower cap hits in the early years, such that it wouldn’t be a massive increase.

    We’ll see what our cap room ends up at. We will drop Cooper for sure, possibly Celek. We had more dead money than usual this year, so that might drop next year (relative to this year) giving us a bit more room.

  272. 272 BobSmith77 said at 11:37 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I’d let Thornton walk depending upon how crazy the market gets for him. He is a ‘nice to have player’ but not somebody I want them investing meaningful dollars in either.

  273. 273 D3FB said at 9:08 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    You can easily keep Thumond Logan and Cox.

    Curry is a luxury and you’d have to make concessions elsewhere, so I don’t see him being back.

    Keeping Thorton would be a bad use of resources. Hart can give you similar production and costs peanuts. Thorton will get 4-6 a year.

    Most important thing with a contract for Sam has to be ability to get out of it. I’d rather give him 20 mil a year and be able to get out of it after year two and three than 17 and having it be long term.

  274. 274 anon said at 10:17 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Way Case is playing makes you wonder if they shouldn’t have moved on from Foles A LOT sooner.

  275. 275 JoeBlow said at 10:19 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    that was a nice throw he just made to cook up the seam

    He had games like this with Houston a couple years ago under Kubiak

  276. 276 SteveH said at 11:42 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Check out some of Case’s previous games. He’s playing well tonight but he was just as ugly as Foles in his few previous starts. Who knows why he’s on fire tonight but I can’t imagine one good game is going to have the Rams thinking they’ve found their savior. They’ll be in the market thick for a QB this offseason.

  277. 277 anon said at 10:21 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    How’d we lose to the bucks??

  278. 278 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 10:22 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Sanchez?

  279. 279 JoeBlow said at 10:26 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    i think the players checked out mentally after that Miami loss

  280. 280 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 10:29 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Jenkins said that Chip gave the team a speech after the Lions’ game. Something about him believing in them more than they believe in themselves

  281. 281 Poppi said at 5:45 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    That game was unwatchable due to the ugly uniforms. I’m serious.

  282. 282 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 10:55 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    That’s some kick coverage right there

  283. 283 JoeBlow said at 11:04 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    kinda get the feeling the Cowboys will get a win saturday night just because J-E-T-S jets jets jets!!!!

  284. 284 AsianEagle said at 11:15 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I think it’s a given that SB is resigned… the big issue to address is the OL. Chip wants to base the offense on rushing so the obvious need is OL. What free agents are available? Will be interesting what happens with Murray. It’s just ridiculous to pay him that much for 10 rushes per game.

  285. 285 JoeBlow said at 11:16 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    free agent pool looks bleak, but the Draft is stocked with good OL prospects….have to get younger at that position anyway

  286. 286 Cafone said at 11:23 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Well the Eagles will probably be looking at a pick in the late teens, and they don’t have a second round pick.

    Are we going to waste a first round pick on a guard? Maybe, but I doubt it. I guess we can hope to find one in the third round.

  287. 287 AsianEagle said at 11:30 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I think the draft will be BPA. We still have lots of holes… maybe we can find the next Mathis in the free agency pool.

  288. 288 BobSmith77 said at 11:31 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I wonder if Danny Watkins will be available . . .

  289. 289 scratcherk said at 10:11 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    yes, to save your cat from a tree.

  290. 290 P_P_K said at 10:33 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    I’m laughing over your joke but still crying over that pick.

  291. 291 JoeBlow said at 11:44 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    well i would hope they took BPA at wherever they draft. And hopefully that player plays at a position of QB,OL,WR,OLB and even DL depending on the Curry/Thornton situation. IMO they should look to trade back to later in the 1st round and pick up more picks, ideally a 2nd rounder although that would be tough, but another 3rd is certainly feasible, giving the birds 3 3rd round selections. There should still be a decent number of OL prospects in the mid-rounds.

    The skins took lineman Brandon Scherff at the fifth pick (stealing him from the Giants IMO) and plugged him in at guard. He struggled at first like the majority of rookies do, but has really come on in the second half and i don’t think they view him as a “waste”

  292. 292 BobSmith77 said at 11:34 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    Seeing them being stuck between ‘Charybdis’ (having to play Sanchez or some else similiar at QB) or Scylla (large guaranteed dollars tied up into a guy with serious durability questions over the next 3 or 4 years).

    I am also tempted to see the Eagles franchise tag him instead of being stuck signing him to an even larger deal that Alex Smith got. Loathe the idea of this team having large guaranteed dollars stuck with Bradford for the next 3-4 years.

    Problem is that would be large enough where it would impact their ability to do other things (e.g., FAs, extend Cox), they have several holes on this team, and already are down a 2nd round pick this year.

  293. 293 FairOaks said at 11:53 PM on December 17th, 2015:

    I’m not sure Bradford is going to command large guaranteed dollars. Most contracts the Eagles have signed recently can be gotten out of after two years, and I’d have to guess Bradford would be similar. You can have a higher-dollar contract, but not so much guaranteed (maybe just the first year plus some of the second), and not be a long-term death sentence if it doesn’t work out.

    This is assuming he’s at least as good the rest of the year as his last four games anyways. If he stumbles significantly, that would affect his contract a lot.

  294. 294 JoeBlow said at 12:23 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    Spotrac did a nice little project with Tyrod Taylor whom i was wondering earlier about what his future in Buffalo as he is only due to earn $1 million in base salary next year. I figured after the year he had, Tyrod is going to want to get paid and he is actually a better example to me of a guy who has leverage over a team like the Bills more than Sam does the Eagles just because of where he ranks statistically, the guy has put himself in a great position at the negotiating table if he chooses to do so with an organization that hasn’t had a franchise guy since Jim Kelly….well Bledsoe played well for them for a couple years but that was short lived with no playoff appearances.

    Spotrac estimates that Taylor is deserving of a 4 year $82.7 million contract which would pay him $20.6 mil annually…..a heck of a lot more than that cool mil he’s signed on to for next year

  295. 295 FairOaks said at 1:39 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    He actually has a contract for next year, which lowers his leverage massively. He’ll have to wait a year for free agency, so he can only negotiate with one team now. He also doesn’t have a huge track record — a 6th round pick who was a backup the previous four years. Buffalo would be smart to try and re-up him this offseason, but they aren’t going to give him full boat on 2016 either, so the contract would probably be a lower per-year average since they would try to get a big discount on 2016 (maybe keep his 1 mil salary, but give him a hefty signing bonus, which can be spread out for cap purposes and keep future salaries down some).

    If he wants to hold out unless the Bills pay him big, that can be a risky move. The CBA gives the team a lot of leverage in that situation. The Bills don’t have a lot invested in Taylor, so while they would rather not find another QB, they could enter the sweepstakes on others if need be.

    Bradford is a free agent, unless he gets the franchise tag, and has a much better pedigree — he was a 1st overall pick. The big question was if he could stay healthy, and if he plays 14 games, he will probably have answered that. It will take just one desperate team to offer him a lot. The Eagles also have that second round pick they invested, which will sting quite a bit if he leaves, and Kelly does not want to reboot with yet another QB in year 4. So, Bradford has quite a bit of leverage.

  296. 296 JoeBlow said at 2:30 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    This is a good argument. But i still disagree on Bradford. To me he still hasn’t answered the injury question, because again he got injured. He was a first overall pick, but what exactly does that do for him now? What is that supposed to mean going forward? As of now, that means nothing to me if I am a GM looking to re-sign him. If i’m Chip and a team like the Browns or Texans offer Sam a long term deal around $20 mil annually i’d shake his hand and wish him good luck. I can’t sign this guy to a contract for more than 3 years and over 20 mil a year, just can’t do it even if i’m chip and that means a new QB for the 4th year in a row, i’ll find one in this draft and sell the hope of that guy to Lurie and the fanbase, which the latter may actually be much more in favor of rather than Bradford who they didn’t seem to care for from the jump. Bradford is too much of an injury risk and hasn’t proven to be any more than a game managing QB, which is fine to have and you can win with, but i am not paying him Cam Newton type money.

    As for Taylor you kind of flipped me on that subject. I could see them offering him an extension like the Rams gave Foles, but idk if he would take it and try to prove himself again next season. I admit i know nothing of what the CBA does in relation to holdouts and stuff like that so i’ll take your word for it. Also if i’m the Bills i think about extending him and giving him something in the way of signing bonus, like you said, just to keep him happy. The Bills also don’t want Taylor to put up similar numbers next year and then lose him to a higher bidder.

  297. 297 FairOaks said at 10:05 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    Former #1 picks tend to get second and third chances, since GMs can assume there is some potential left. It’s the “safe” option since other talent evaluators in the past have thought he was potentially great. It just takes one desperate team.

    The “Newton-type” money is more in the guarantee, actually. I don’t think Bradford would command anywhere near that — if it is big dollars, then it would be structured so that 2016 was guaranteed, maybe some of 2017, but the Eagles could probably get out in 2017 if they were desperate (injury or awfulness) and get out in 2018 easily. See Tannehill’s contract as a counterpoint — annual value wise it’s close to Newton, but guarantee-wise it’s worlds different. Bradford is closer to Tannehill’s situation really (and in playing quality too). I think teams would certainly give Bradford a chance, meaning a big-looking contract, but not major guaranteed money.

    The last four games Bradford has been more than a game manager. Certainly not a Brady or Rodgers who can make pedestrian WRs look good, but someone who could be quite good with better talent around him. He was worse than a game manager early in the season, which drag his stats down a lot.

  298. 298 JoeBlow said at 12:27 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    i would agree to a contract with Sam if it was like the Tannehill deal

  299. 299 Julescat said at 8:46 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    this article says Tyrod Taylor is a free agent next year

    http://www.phillyvoice.com/look-2016-free-agent-quarterback-class-and-where-sam-bradford-fits/

  300. 300 D3FB said at 9:01 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    He’s not he’s under contract 2 more years

    http://overthecap.com/player/tyrod-taylor/1407/

  301. 301 FairOaks said at 9:53 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    One more year… third year was voided by a 50% snap stipulation in the contract.

    http://bills.buffalonews.com/2015/11/23/taylor-set-to-have-third-year-voided-bills-face-another-qb-decision/

    And it does sound like there are incentives in the contract such that Taylor could make $7 million over his two years if he is the starter (which has happened):

    http://espn.go.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/18003/source-tyrod-taylor-can-earn-7-million-as-bills-starter

  302. 302 FairOaks said at 9:46 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    Note the asterisk next to Taylor’s name on that article, and the corresponding note at the bottom of the article. Taylor signed a three-year contract, though the last year was voided by him playing 50% of snaps this year. He’s still under contract (at a $1 million salary) for 2016.

  303. 303 Eagles News: Jason Peters wants to go to the Super Bowl, not the Pro Bowl - said at 6:23 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    […] Sam’s Future – Iggles BlitzBradford has played well in recent weeks, but he has a long way to go before he gets to the level where he’s worth huge money. The Eagles need to be careful not to overpay him (within reason). Don’t lose a QB you like over a little money. Those guys have a transcendent value. The current version of Sam Bradford isn’t good enough to lead the Eagles to a Super Bowl. The guy we saw in the summer looked much better. Defenses were simpler and the Eagles just performed like a machine. Bradford has improved over the course of the season. And he’s still hurt by drops. The bad INTs have gone away (knock on wood). As he gets more comfortable and his chemistry with the receivers improves, Bradford should continue to improve. […]

  304. 304 Ark87 said at 9:05 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    I thought Jimmy provided a solid article on this.

    http://www.phillyvoice.com/look-2016-free-agent-quarterback-class-and-where-sam-bradford-fits/

    So who will give Bradford a better offer than us? Yeah. It will be us and Sam, and the issue will be similar to the situation with Maclin last year. We will want to sign same for a modest multi-year deal with a way out while his stock is low. Sam will want a nice 1 year deal and gamble on himself. He wants to make a deal when he is actually worth something. If he thinks he can have a better year with someone else, he might do that though, but it won’t be about the highest bidder at that point.

  305. 305 RobNE said at 9:44 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    I thought someone below said Taylor has another year on his contract. And isn’t Manziel on his rookie deal, how is he going to be a free agent?

    edit: Taylor locked up for 2 more years. So yeah, he isn’t exactly a free agent.

  306. 306 Ark87 said at 10:05 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    yeah, he asterisked his name in every list with this at the bottom.
    “*NOTE: NFL Now should not have included Tyrod Taylor in their graphic, as he signed a three-year deal in March.”

  307. 307 FairOaks said at 10:40 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    As noted by a poster in the comments section there, if you take the last four games (and assume he’ll continue at a similar or better level the rest of the year), on those lists Bradford would be #2 in QB rating (only behind non-free-agent Taylor), 4th in YPA, 1st in interception percentage, and 4th in TD percentage. Assuming he doesn’t regress, Bradford would be around the most attractive free agent QB out there.

    It’s possible Kaepernick and RGIII will be available as well, and teams will certainly give those two another chance.

  308. 308 anon said at 10:43 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    hes thrown for 5 tds in 4 games. i’m not giving big money to a guy i wouldn’t own in fantasy. fitzpatrick of all people has 25tds. i guess we’ll have to see what kind of deal he gets.

  309. 309 FairOaks said at 10:52 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    It would be more interesting to see what Bradford could do with a Brandon Marshall at WR, for sure 😉

    I don’t think the offense has been good enough, overall. We are not scoring enough points. Early on, Bradford had a lot to do with that. Much less lately.

  310. 310 Ark87 said at 12:14 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    you’re still taking 4 games of offensive mediocrity that you have to lay at the feet of the people that surround him, and measure it against his career. Now, again, who besides the Eagles really believes in Sam enough to make him a Franchise QB?

  311. 311 miked718 said at 9:43 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    If we could sign him to a team friendly 3-4 year contract with an out just in case, it’s worth it. Unless the Cowboys with their bullet proof o-line comes calling, Bradford’s career would end at one of those QB needy teams, either by injury or looking terrible learning ANOTHER new system. I guess St. Louis needs a QB too…

    My ideal would be draft an amazing OL first round and get a Russ Wilson clone in the 3rd followed by guard in the 4th, Richard Sherman clone in the 5th, OL, OL, OL.

    And trade Murray back to Dallas, thanks for the memories! Maybe Kiko and Murray for Tyron Smith and Sean Lee’s medical bills straight up.

  312. 312 Bert's Bells said at 9:47 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    Not Jordan Hicks proof -ask Romo.

  313. 313 miked718 said at 10:42 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    Nobody is Jordan Hicks proof. NOBODY

  314. 314 daveH said at 11:43 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    Unfortunately not even Jordan Hicks himself

  315. 315 HawaiianEagle said at 11:58 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    Isn’t it weird that Hicks broke Romo then he himself got broken in the next cowboy game…

  316. 316 Mac said at 12:00 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    Hopefully, that’s the last time we see that tackling “technique” in a game.

  317. 317 A_T_G said at 12:26 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    Lunging to grab a guy as your momentum carries you away from him? I doubt it. That is instinct. I just hope that next time it is the other guy that gets ripped in half.

  318. 318 daveH said at 12:28 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    The injuries in this sport are demoralizingly way way too high

  319. 319 Bert's Bells said at 12:24 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    Jordan Hicks’ pec ruptured when it found out it was being flexed by Jordan Hicks.

  320. 320 Flyineagle45 said at 10:05 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    I’m gonna be pissed if Bradford leaves considering what we gave up for him will be gone with the wind. I wouldn’t mind picking up a Kaep or Rg3 with basically a full year + rest for camp.

  321. 321 b3nz0z said at 10:35 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    great article by Richard Sherman http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/12/18/nfl-richard-sherman-seattle-seahawks-four-ways-fix-officiating

  322. 322 xmbk said at 10:53 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    Surprisingly, that was a good article. I don’t understand why all officials are not full-time. Makes no sense, big picture.

  323. 323 RobNE said at 11:09 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    money. NFL is cheap.

  324. 324 b3nz0z said at 11:13 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    longer games = more viewership? “oh the refs aren’t sure if it was a catch – here’s a word from our sponsors while they argue”

  325. 325 Mac said at 11:15 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    Some of the rules are waaaay too open to interpretation.

  326. 326 anon said at 2:28 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    seems to me that shooting replays to nyc isn’t having much difference. makes you wonder if there’s some gamesmanship behind the calls bc some are obvious.

  327. 327 Bert's Bells said at 11:34 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    Why is it surprising? Sherman’s a smart guy.

  328. 328 xmbk said at 9:31 AM on December 20th, 2015:

    No doubt. But I’ve read a couple of his other articles and they seemed less thoughtful, more like they were trying to sell a viewpoint.

  329. 329 jpate said at 12:38 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    These are all good points but NFL won’t take them because it came from a player.

  330. 330 Ark87 said at 11:47 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    Smart guy with a lot of passion for the game and the people that make it happen. Hard to imagine him not being a huge part of the NFLPA or something when he retires.

    The only thing I’m not sure about is “cutting the rule book in half”. It’s tough to do in a hyper competitive league where everything that can be exploited will be exploited, without placing a ton of power in the refs’ hands to enforce the “spirit” of the rules. We all know football how football works. At its’ heart it’s nowhere near as complicated as its’ rule book. But you’d be passing a lot of responsibilities to the refs to uphold a generally uniform interpretation of “football”. That’s a catch, that’s a dirty hit. Yes the was contact in a place that you can’t touch QB’s but it was clearly incidental, etc. As you go down this trail you begin to see how the rule book got so big with the desire to be able to specifically explain every situation one might encounter in a game. Because the nightmare situation is that a ref has to make a call on something that isn’t precisely spell out, and his judgement will decide the outcome of a game. Unless we can embrace that aspect as part of the game.

  331. 331 Mac said at 11:49 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    Maybe he’ll be a ref just for the lolz.

  332. 332 Ark87 said at 11:50 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    lol, he’d never ever call DPI

  333. 333 b3nz0z said at 12:07 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    he’d call offensive PI constantly though

  334. 334 b3nz0z said at 12:08 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    i’d bet he’d be amazing at it. let a coach try and scream at him!

  335. 335 b3nz0z said at 12:12 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    i have tremendous respect for him. he’s like a walking stereotype-shattering machine. i disagree about the rule book. i think every rule added makes a mis-call more likely. just whittle it down to the most obvious and necessary stuff, and let most calls stand unless challenged. two feet in and it’s a catch, etc. even when something is precisely spelled out, it is not precisely interpreted because human eyes and brains are involved.

  336. 336 A_T_G said at 12:23 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    I agree with Ark, it is harder in practice than in theory. What about a player that dives for a deep ball, somersaults through the end zone and completes his roll with a foot beyond the end line? Is that a catch? What about when Belicheck coaches his safeties to grab receivers legs and hold one in the air? The player is laying on his back, people are ripping at the ball, but he never got his second foot down. Certainly, that is an absurd example, but all of the detail is there for a reason.

  337. 337 Ark87 said at 12:28 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    Belichick is exactly the guy I have in mind when I said “everything that can be exploited will be exploited”

  338. 338 b3nz0z said at 12:32 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    i would think the receiver scored a TD by having the ball in the end zone if his shoulders, hands, or back touched in bounds, but again i’m very far from an expert. that’s almost the point, though – it didn’t used to be this difficult to know. and yeah, the pats certainly make things more complicated.

  339. 339 A_T_G said at 2:42 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    No, I agree that it is a touchdown, and should be a touchdown. The problem is if you say, “To hell with all this ridiculous wording, whittle that rule book in half. A catch is two feet down with the ball. Period, end of story.” now it isn’t a catch any more.

  340. 340 b3nz0z said at 2:53 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    ok, say “any two body parts must touch inbounds” – foot and butt, knee and hand, both elbows . . . i get what you’re saying and don’t disagree, but i guess i’m arguing more for not overturning plays based on what we might consider trifling details. of course that doesn’t get us any closer to what we’re actually hoping for. what about . . . we grab a copy of the official 1989 rulebook (first year i can really remember watching – you could pick 93 or 86 or whatever), and try that for a season. if anything weird comes up, we talk about adding it the following year. wouldn’t it almost be better to have one freak play that gets argued over because it isn’t in the books, rather than stick another rule in for one freak play only to have it affect dozens of plays throughout the season?

  341. 341 anon said at 3:00 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    depends on how big the play is. i agree right now too much tinkering. what about all player safety rules, challenges?

  342. 342 b3nz0z said at 3:03 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    safety rules end up backfiring sometimes. not being allowed to hit the head has caused leg injuries, right?

  343. 343 ACViking said at 3:04 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    Law of “Unintended Consequences”

  344. 344 b3nz0z said at 3:07 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    exactly. and i feel like each rule adds to that pile.

  345. 345 Mac said at 3:00 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    Would each butt cheek be considered a separate body part?

  346. 346 b3nz0z said at 3:07 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    excellent question. either cheek counts as one (you don’t need both cheeks down to count as a butt) but both cheeks would simply equal one butt. so with that in mind, even if both cheeks landed you’d still need a non-butt body part to land in-bounds. however, if one cheek landed and then bounced, and a separate cheek landed, i’d say that’s a completion.

  347. 347 A_T_G said at 3:24 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    I think the problem boils down to a similar situation as defining pornography. Fans and officials know a catch when they see it, but try writing down guidelines so that everyone who reads them agrees that they describe a catch and you end up with a mess.

    Unfortunately, if you don’t have that mess written down, you have Belicheck sending out the cheerleaders in nothing but body paint and claiming they aren’t naked.

    Wait, why was this a bad idea again?

  348. 348 b3nz0z said at 3:33 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    yeah i’m pretty sure what you’re describing would greatly improve the game

  349. 349 botto said at 1:41 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    oh we should try that this sunday.. holding fitz in the air and we beat on him with John Brown’s body

  350. 350 Ark87 said at 12:27 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    I honestly don’t know enough about the condition of the rule book too weigh in too much on it. But the example of illegal contact, defensive holding, and DPI were brought up. It does seem excessive, but how do you go about it in such a way that the penalty matched the damage that the infraction prevented? We already see defensive players knowing when they’re screwed and basically tackle a guy at the line because they know they have no help and take the 5 yards and an automatic firstdown rather than give up a TD.

  351. 351 b3nz0z said at 12:29 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    and we see OL hold on purpose to prevent a sack. these questions are above my head for sure, but i am positive that it’s a bad thing when we all expect a flag after every mildly interesting play.

  352. 352 Ark87 said at 12:30 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    true, over officiating is especially noticeable this year.

  353. 353 b3nz0z said at 12:35 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    i think most people might agree that penalties not affecting a play should be enforced less strictly – if sproles returns a punt for a TD but there was a hold on the opposite sideline, is it really proportional to make us start at our own 5? i mean that’s a pretty big swing for something that had no impact on the return.

  354. 354 Ark87 said at 12:49 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    agreed, and what I think a lot of us want is a game officiated more to the spirit of the game, not to the letter of a rule book. As long as we insist that the game be officiated to the letter, I believe the rule book will continue to complicate itself to describe how to officiate every possible scenario to the letter, and deter every exploitation that lawyer-coaches come up with.

    But you and I know football, they know football. It’s not complex. But the fear of a neutral party like an official sort of ad-libbing football terrifies people. All it takes is the perception that the official has more impact on the game than the teams playing it and the integrity of the game is shattered. And that’s perception, that lies with us, the viewers. What we have now is the expectations for the rule book and officials that uphold it to function as a neutral and unbiased machine. And that is quite a challenge. It’s so similar to law and the role we expect it to play in Justice. I’d love to have ACVikings take on all this.

  355. 355 scratcherk said at 12:50 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    i agree but then again this is inviting a subjective element that sherman was saying we should eliminate

  356. 356 P_P_K said at 3:04 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    Great read. Thanks for the link.

  357. 357 Mac said at 11:54 AM on December 18th, 2015:

    I came down hard on Kempski on these forums a few weeks ago. As a form of apology and to give credit where it’s due I want to link to this article, which may be one of his best columns of all time.

    (spoiler alert) put your coffee cup down while you read it.

    http://www.phillyvoice.com/expose-stephen-smith-travels-across-philadelphia-eagles-trash-chip-kelly/

  358. 358 HawaiianEagle said at 12:00 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    couldn’t get past the opening paragraph …”the great Stephen A. Smith”.

  359. 359 Mac said at 12:02 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    I love sarcasm… I guess this just hit that warm fuzzy sarcastic place in my heart.

  360. 360 daveH said at 12:31 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    Ooo agree so muvh .. cant decide whether to read it now … msybe thats sarcasm..

  361. 361 Bert's Bells said at 12:55 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    It’s so beyond sarcasm there’s no word to describe it. Stephen A. Smith emerges from the article as god-like super figure, and we can do little but stand in awe.

  362. 362 daveH said at 1:15 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    Sarcasm derivatives.. im not gonna read it

  363. 363 Bert's Bells said at 1:22 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    Your loss. It’s funny.

  364. 364 daveH said at 5:19 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    Uhm ok..appreciate this..so i probably wil now
    Thks

  365. 365 Ark87 said at 1:42 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    this string of 2 comments illustrates a misunderstanding of Jimmy’s writing at the most basic and fundamental of levels. This actually helps me understand why everyone hates Jimmy, a writer who Tommy vouches for as a writer and person.

  366. 366 ACViking said at 3:13 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    Ark87 . . .

    I think you’re spot on.

  367. 367 RobNE said at 12:03 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    I did like this one.

  368. 368 A_T_G said at 12:30 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    This is Jimmy is at his best.

  369. 369 botto said at 1:34 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    which still is pretty lame

  370. 370 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:59 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    Broken clock syndrom.. I refuse to support this donkey and add to his “clicks count”

  371. 371 ACViking said at 3:01 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    Irony.

  372. 372 b3nz0z said at 3:02 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    the second he gave up on MSpaint was the second i was like “oh this dude’s actually just another philly sports writer”

  373. 373 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:40 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    I don’t even care to defend chip and the Eagles who have made me a miserable nervous wreck this year, but Jimmys Hate is just absurd…
    ..
    Big difference between constructive criticism and Hate

  374. 374 eagleyankfan said at 2:12 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    question for the fantasy folks: which QB would u start this week: Fitz @dallas or McCarron @sf or Smith @Baltimore

  375. 375 anon said at 2:15 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    fitz is legit playing well.

  376. 376 Nailed It! said at 2:20 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    Plus, it looks like Dallas has checked out for the season.

  377. 377 eagleyankfan said at 4:21 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    Agreed on both comments. Maybe I’m thinking too much into this…

  378. 378 A_T_G said at 2:36 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    Those are your QB options and you are in the playoffs? Man, do I ever suck.

  379. 379 JoeBlow said at 2:41 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    i finished in 1st place with my current RB’s as Ryan Mathews,Tim Hightower, Denard Robinson and Melvin Gordon…idk which two to start

    on top of that my QB’s are Eli (who plays carolina) and big ben (who plays denver) so i am screwed….i picked up Bortles who plays atlanta and im thinking of starting him

  380. 380 anon said at 2:49 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    20 team league? pats signed steven jackson

  381. 381 JoeBlow said at 3:08 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    yea i’ve thought about it, but i’m too scared of the possibility the ball gets spread around too much in NE. T.J. Yeldon isn’t expected to play so i may go with Denard Robinson who had a good week last week and Hightower is expected to be the main back in NO, although everytime i have started Ryan Mathews i have won

  382. 382 anon said at 3:10 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    arizona handled ap last week, plus 10 days rest i don’t love it. sproles maybe? vikings were effective on screens

  383. 383 JoeBlow said at 3:13 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    i’m just in a bad spot with my roster, going to have to get lucky i guess

  384. 384 b3nz0z said at 2:57 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    i’ve got Cam and our superbowl is week 17. if they sit him i’m effed. maybe. i have carr on the bench.

  385. 385 eagleyankfan said at 4:24 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    Hopefully team is still going undefeated. They’ll keep going for that record…

  386. 386 eagleyankfan said at 4:20 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    Dalton and Fitz were my 1-2 punch. Fitz last 3 weeks have been insanely good….Dalton went down and now a bad match up. I could pick up the other qb’s but they currently aren’t on my roster. I never go qb early. I load up on rb’s. I don’t win the league a lot but I normal get my entry + back with that drafting …

  387. 387 Sean Stott said at 3:02 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    I’m thinking Smith will give you the most points.

  388. 388 TypicalDouche said at 3:11 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    Fitzpatrick is a must start fantasy QB at this point, especially against a Dallas defense that just isn’t very good.

  389. 389 eagleyankfan said at 4:19 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    Dallas has the 3rd lowest 3rd down conversion and gives up the 3rd fewest qb fantasy points … normal it’s a slam dunk for Fitz but those numbers scare me a bit…

  390. 390 Julescat said at 4:09 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    I have a choice between Matt Ryan playing Jacksonville
    Tyrod Taylor playing Washington or Derek Carr playing Green Bay.

    not sure which is the best option

  391. 391 eagleyankfan said at 4:15 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    I don’t like MR even in a good situation. Either Taylor or Carr. GB missing their top CB this week.

  392. 392 b3nz0z said at 4:20 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    tyrod

  393. 393 b3nz0z said at 2:28 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    so against this wr corps, are we gonna be in nickel pretty much all game? is ed reynolds gonna hold up deep?

  394. 394 Sean Stott said at 3:01 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    I’m glad they had that learning moment last week, where Ed Reynolds clearly took a bad angle on Sammy Watkins while Maxwell had good underneath coverage.

  395. 395 P_P_K said at 3:06 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    Reynolds is going to mistakes, as is Rowe. Put me down as a fan who sees bright futures for both those young guys.

  396. 396 Isaac said at 3:07 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    great comment

  397. 397 ACViking said at 3:10 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    hope Reynolds is a player whose instincts transcend his measurables.

    a la Dwight Hicks (49ers in the early 1980s — from Pensauken HS)

  398. 398 b3nz0z said at 3:20 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    or kurt coleman as a panther

  399. 399 P_P_K said at 4:52 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    Kurt played with heart as an Eagle.

  400. 400 b3nz0z said at 4:59 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    most definitely. i actually liked him more than most fans did at the time (i’ve got a little-man bias being on the short side myself). but there’s no denying that he’s twice the player he was here. i’m sure scheme and experience have played their part in how he’s turned out, but i always loved how fearless he was.

  401. 401 P_P_K said at 4:54 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    I didn’t realize Hicks was from Pennsauken. Now I like him even more.

  402. 402 anon said at 3:11 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    rowe is good a getting physical at the line, a skill not all of our dbs use. also very athletic.

  403. 403 ACViking said at 3:11 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    A —
    very good point

  404. 404 P_P_K said at 4:51 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    Agree.

  405. 405 Sean Stott said at 3:14 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    Reynolds is the type of player who needs to not mistakes, as he is already limited by his measurables and athleticism. He needs to be stanford smart and play smart.

  406. 406 b3nz0z said at 3:20 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    we all need to not make mistakes.

  407. 407 TypicalDouche said at 3:10 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    From hearing the way Jenkins has spoken recently I absolutely think they will be in nickel for a majority of the game. With Jenkins manning the slot against Fitz and hopefully Maxwell and Rowe can hold up against Floyd and Brown. Ed Reynolds better have his head on a swivel this game.

  408. 408 b3nz0z said at 3:14 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    on the bright side, it will be difficult for him to shit the bed more completely than nate allen did last year (knocks on every wooden surface in sight). the thing about it is, you’re either gonna have thurmond against the #4 or you’re gonna be in dime (and thurmond would probably still be in coverage).

  409. 409 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:24 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    Last time QBs actually targeted Reynolds, was the year before his last year at Stanford and the kid was a playmaking Ball Hawk who made a ton of BIGTIME plays similar to his game ending INT last week… The following yeàr at stanford QB’s were avoiding throwing his way and he had a quiet year, which caused his draft stock To fall as much as it did…. It was Great to get a glimpse of the ball hawking Safety again against the Bills, hopefully both Reynolds and ROWE build on what was solid performances in the last two games..
    ..
    One of the biggest reasons we are seeing the defense get back on track the past few weeks is because our pass rush is getting home without having to blitz. 3 man and 4 man lines led by King Cox have been very disruptive the past two weeks and it allowed us to drop everyone else into coverage.
    ..
    Getting Pressure on Carson without having to Blitz him is the key to this game. Because it allows us to split our safeties cutting the field in half, instead of pLaying single high with a safety having to cover the entire backend.. I wouldn’t trust Reynolds in single high against these Cardinal WRs, but if we can pressure Carson without Blitzing, we can split Reynolds and Thurmond and have each responsible for ballhwaking and lending support to WRs on their half of the field, we will have an opportunity to make some big plays against such an aggressive Offense that is always looking To throw down field
    ..
    If we can’t get pressure on Palmer, and have to start blitzing repeatedly, then I would worry about reynolds. But as long as we can split our safeties, I like our chances with the the very intelligent and studious Ed reynolds…
    ..
    If we can just get one of our DBs To be able to lock down one of the Big 3 Cardinal WRs on his own with no support, the,Safetoes can help and give support against the other 2 Cardinal WRs… Whether it’s Rowe, Jenkins or Maxwell, someone has to step up and be able to shut down either Floyd, Brown or Fitz without needing safety support

  410. 410 b3nz0z said at 3:32 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    i agree except that the cards go four deep at wr a lot. so my concern there is you’ve got both starting safeties coming down to cover. i’m beginning to trust reynolds, but who’s the second deep S/ dimeback? cuz that individual may get picked on.

  411. 411 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:37 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    I assume we play more Dime than Nickel against 4 wide… EJ Biggers has been solid enough this year to trust against the #4 WR or Zona,.
    .
    Thurmond is the other safety, and EJ BIGGERS will be the dime CB

  412. 412 anon said at 3:42 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    pass rush is key. i wish curry was a better run stopper so that we could play him 4 downs.

    if i was beli i might just come out in a 43 all game this week.

  413. 413 b3nz0z said at 3:55 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    i was thinking that, but a little bit of multiplicity might help make things confusing. on the other hand, and in favor of the 4-3 argument, kiko and kendricks on the field at the same time makes me nervous

  414. 414 anon said at 4:09 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    too much athleticism, not enough brains

  415. 415 b3nz0z said at 4:17 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    palmer would shred

  416. 416 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:02 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    Get a lead, force them to play from behind, so we can unleash Curry like we did against Brady
    ..
    Lol easier said than done this week..

  417. 417 b3nz0z said at 4:17 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    “get a lead” haha bout to say

  418. 418 Patrick said at 3:28 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    Not a huge fan of Billy Davis, but holy shit we finally got a DC who can figure out that maybe that Fitzgerald guy should not only get covered, buts its probably a good idea to get one of our better players to do it.

  419. 419 Nailed It! said at 3:46 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    “One thing the Cowboys aren’t exactly showing regret for is the decision to let DeMarco Murray walk. Yes, he was a great fit for the Dallas offense. But the Murray-related drama of the last two weeks didn’t exactly shock his old co-workers. “The guy is a pro in his preparation and toughness and competitiveness,” said one club source. “But he’s also entitled, selfish and condescending. He’s a great ‘team’ guy when he’s the guy.” Murray’s reputation in Dallas was of a player who’d mope at times when things didn’t go his way, which is part of what the Eagles have dealt with of late.” from Albert Breer’s Week 15 notes…

    Pretty easy to slander an ex-teammate when your season is done and that ex-teammate is struggling in the new system.

  420. 420 b3nz0z said at 3:53 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    it’s also easy when he’s acted like a dick all season. remember the “death stare” at bradford in one of the early games? he strikes me as the type of guy who is quick to look around for someone to blame. i certainly don’t trust the ‘boys to assess character accurately, but this doesn’t shock me based on the little bit of his behavior i’ve seen.

  421. 421 Nailed It! said at 3:56 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    I agree with you that he has at times shown his true colors but I guess I was mostly interested in the timing of these rumors coming out.

  422. 422 b3nz0z said at 4:18 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    oh it makes them look like punks for sure, but they have all this extra time lately

  423. 423 JoeBlow said at 5:04 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    I’m not sure if Albert Breer is one of those guys who loves to draw the negative aspect to every story regarding every team or if it is just the eagles. I remember back during the preseason the Eagles had come off a fine showing against the Colts in the first preseason game and were at the time scrimmaging the Ravens in practices. I was driving somewhere listening to the Matt Lombardo and someone else on the fanatic. The feeling from most philly reporters was that the Eagles were getting the best of the Ravens in practices. They brought Breer on and he just pretty much downplayed everything about the practices, not because it was preseason, but it was more like he didn’t want to say anything positive. Then Breer brought up Eric Rowe and how he got beat by Steve Smith a couple times and questioned the selection of him in the second round and then throughout the interview he kept coming back to Eric Rowe and how badly he kept getting beat and I remember Lombardo’s (who is a bit of an eagles homer) reaction was like ok so what? he’s a rookie going up against an all-pro, what is your point?

    Just seemed like Breer was just interested in looking for a reason to trash the team, or like he had some kind of axe to grind

  424. 424 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:00 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    We played the Cardinals tôugh last year. Offense got us the lead, it was 3rd down, and all we needed was to stop the Cardinals for two more plays and we would have won the game, and then Boykin and Nate Allen allowes Rookie John Brown to get behind both Of them and beat us deep To steal the win from us… And This close battle came against the Cardinals before all their injuries. We put ourselves in position to win that game against what was a top Cardinals team last year before Carson got hurt and we did it with a Secondary that doesn’t have half the talent we have today in our secondary.
    ..
    I trust Jenkins against a slot corner wth Fitzgeralds size more than I trust boykin..
    ..
    I trust ROWE after only 3 games more than I trust Bradley Fletcher
    ..
    I trust Maxwell more than I trust Cary…. Take the Bucs and Lions game out Of the equation, because the impressionI got is that the entire team quit on Sanchez, since the early season atruggles, Maxwell has had way more good games than bad games, but he hasn’t gotten credit for it because it seems like most people haven’t gotten over the poor impressip he made on them at the start of the season…
    ..
    The Cardinals WRs were great last year. Palmer was playing well last year before he got hurt, and we were able to hang with them and only lost because they made 1 more play then we did, picking on Nate and Boykin…Our Secondary has improved Way More since last year, than the Cardinals passing attack has improved since last year….. I thought I would be feeling worse about this matchup, but I’m actually excited to see how our new and improved secondary holds up against this elite passing attack. I like our DBs chances to make plays IF and ONLY If, our pass rush is doing Its job of roughing up Carson and forcing the Aggressive Carson to rush some of his throws, which is exactly how we finally got Tyrod Taylor to throw an INT. We beat hm up, and Curry got a good rush on him and forced him to rush his throw, and Reynolds was able to take advantage of it and make a play.
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    This is the perfect test for our team trying to make a playoff run…. After this game, we will really know where we stand..
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    Hopefully we see the Cowboys, Skins and Giants all Lose before we kick off against Arizona

  425. 425 Ark87 said at 4:08 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    it was Allen and Cary Williams in quarters coverage, neither of them are supposed to let anyone be deeper than them, Nate bit on on Fitzgerald’s crossing route thinking about first downs instead of touchdowns, Cary…just slow? Either way Brown ran down the seam of their zones past both of them, brilliant audible by Palmer.

  426. 426 RobNE said at 5:26 PM on December 18th, 2015:

    I thought Chip kept attacking the middle of the field successfully. That bodes well since that is where our talent is.