Doug Pederson Day

Posted: January 10th, 2016 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 671 Comments »

The Chiefs beat Houston on Saturday to advance in the playoffs. Offensive coordinator Doug Pederson has some fun plans for his Sunday.

The reaction to this has not been good.

I’m not sure why people are so against the idea. Pederson isn’t at the top of my list, but I think you can make an interesting case for the guy. I know he wasn’t a very good player, but that should have nothing to do with him as a coaching candidate.

BACKGROUND

Let’s start with his playing days.

You can see that Pederson had to scratch and claw his way into the league. He then had to keep fighting to try and keep a roster spot. That’s not good for a player, but it is great for a future coach. It shows mental and emotional toughness. It shows desire and dedication. It shows a willingness to do whatever it takes to make it.

Pederson had the good fortune to play for some great coaches. He got his start under Don Shula, one of the great coaches in NFL history. He then went to Green Bay, where he learned the West Coast Offense from Mike Holmgren. His QB coach was Andy Reid and when Reid left for the Eagles in 1999, he took Pederson with him. Pederson played for Chris Palmer in Cleveland and Mike Sherman upon his return to Green Bay.

He was exposed to a variety of systems and philosophies. The Dolphins threw the ball down the field. Shula also had very disciplined teams. They were always among the lowest penalized teams. Holmgren ran the purest version of the WCO this side of Bill Walsh, who he learned it from first-hand. Reid put his spin on things when he created his own version of the playbook. Palmer was a solid offensive mind (just a lousy head coach). Sherman ran a version of the WCO, but really incorporated the run game. Ahman Green ran for more than 1,800 yards in 2003. The Packers actually had more runs than pass plays that year.

Pederson saw some great defensive minds at work. Fritz Shurmur ran the Packers defense and did a lot of creative things. They were the #1 defense in 1996. Jim Johnson also ran a creative defense. Pederson got to see that up close for a year. Romeo Crennel was the DC in Cleveland. Ed Donatell ran the show in Green Bay.   

ONTO COACHING

Once done with playing, Pederson coached high school football from 2005-2008. He went 41-10. Pederson used that as a learning experience, but also wanted to test himself. He wanted to find out if he had the taste for coaching.

Late in his playing career, Pederson began to consider a future in coaching. He was Brett Favre’s backup, but became a key source of advice for Favre. Whenever Favre came off the field, the first place he headed was to Pederson to discuss what had just worked or failed. That carried over to meeting rooms as well.

Reid took notice of Favre going to Pederson during games. Interestingly, this happened when Reid was coaching the Eagles in a game against the Packers. He made a mental note to himself that Pederson had a future in coaching.

Pederson stayed in regular touch with Andy Reid over the years. He let Reid know he was interested in getting onto an NFL staff after he had started coaching at the high school level and knew that’s something he wanted to do.

Reid called Pederson in the 2009 offseason and told him there was an opening to be the offensive quality control coach. This is the most basic position on the staff. There is no glamour. There is a lot of grunt work. Pederson jumped at the opportunity. He joined the Eagles staff in 2009. The grunt work didn’t scare him off at all and he returned to the same position in 2010.

When James Urban left the Eagles after the 2010 season, Reid promoted Pederson to be the QB coach. Pederson worked with Michael Vick, Mike Kafka and Vince Young in 2011. He worked with Vick and Nick Foles in 2012. You would probably say his most impressive work was with Foles, who went from mid-round pick in April to starting QB at midseason. Foles wasn’t great by any measure, but handled himself well for a rookie and showed promise. Compare that to how Foles played for the Rams in 2015 and you have to appreciate Pederson’s work.

Reid was fired by the Eagles after 2012 and went to KC. He brought Pederson along, but promoted him to offensive coordinator. Pederson has held the OC position since then.

Reid went back to calling the plays, something he had given up late in his tenure in Philly. Pederson still is a key part of the offense. He helps to design and implement gameplans each week. Pederson calls plays in two-minute situations. On other drives, Reid gives the play to Pederson, who then calls it in to the QB. Occasionally, Reid will let Pederson call the plays himself.

Pederson is responsible for coaching the QBs. Reid traded for Alex Smith shortly after getting to KC and he’s started 46 of 48 games for the Chiefs. Smith is a veteran QB so Pederson hasn’t had to develop him. He did have to teach him the WCO. Reid and Pederson have adjusted with the changing nature of football. They mixed in some read-option. They do more QB running than in the past. They used receivers as part of the run game. Reid and Pederson looked at some of the things that have come into the league from college and they embraced what they liked and/or worked for their personnel.

Smith played well for Pederson. His QB rating went up each season. This year it was 95.4, a career high for a full season. Smith averaged 20 TD passes and more than 3,300 yards per season, easily the best 3-year stretch of his career. Those numbers aren’t gaudy, but remember that the Chiefs had poor WR play until this season. They were able to build up the WR group and open up the passing game this year.

KC got off to a 1-5 start this season. Star RB Jamaal Charles was out with a torn ACL. Reid and Pederson had to do something to help the offense. Rather than make it about them, they embraced Smith’s ability to audible. They gave him complete freedom at the line of scrimmage to change plays, routes and/or protections. This worked time and again, as Smith found a better option at a key moment that led to a TD or big play.

Coaches, who are almost universally control freaks, put their egos aside and tried something that they weren’t completely comfortable with. They were willing to take a chance. They trusted their player.

THE CANDIDATE

People generally look for coaching candidates from one of two categories. First, they look for proven coaches. Tom Coughlin win a pair of Super Bowls so let’s go talk to him. That’s logical. Generally, though, you are better off finding someone who failed in his previous stop. The guy learns from his mistakes, but hasn’t peaked. Bill Belichick and Pete Carroll are the best examples of this.

The other group that gets targeted are hot assistant coaches. You look at the best teams and/or the best units and find a coordinator or key assistant. The 1998 Vikings set (at the time) the NFL record for points scored. That made Brian Billick a hot candidate. Steve Spagnuolo’s defense was a key factor in the Giants winning the Super Bowl in 2007. That led to the Rams hiring him to be their head coach.

Sometimes you get so caught up in resumes and accomplishments that you lose sight of what you’re really doing. You are looking for someone to be a head coach. Does the candidate have the qualities to be an NFL head coach?

The biggest argument for Pederson is that he comes from the Reid/Holmgren tree. I’m not focusing on the fact that Jeff Lurie is tight with Reid and that creates a comfort zone. That’s of lesser significance.

The key is that Holmgren learned from Bill Walsh, who developed systems for everything. Coaches were given a plan and blueprint for how to succeed. Holmgren then passed that on to his players (Pederson) and coaches (Reid). The Holmgren and Reid coaching trees are full of successful stories.

Pederson also got to see the systems in different situations. He was with Holmgren when Green Bay was a veteran team and won a Super Bowl. That was obviously very different than when Pederson saw Reid take over the Eagles and build the team from the ground up. He also was with Reid when things got ugly at the end of his Eagles tenure. Then Pederson went to KC and helped Reid build the Chiefs into an instant contender. There was no rookie QB as there had been with the Eagles. While KC had been awful prior to Reid’s arrival (2-14), there was a talented core already in place. They needed a QB and some good coaching. Reid saw that and approached the situation differently than when he built the Eagles.

This isn’t as simple as Pederson building his own version of Reid’s famous big blue binder and then just opening it to the correct page on the correct day. That’s a drastic over-simplification of things.

The systems give you an idea of how to do things. It is up to the individual to make them come to life. The individual also has to put their spin on things. John Harbaugh’s Ravens look different than Ron Rivera’s Panthers. Pat Shurmur’s Browns were different from Brad Childress’ Vikings.

Bill Belichick is a one of a kind coach. He has a unique background and is so creative and versatile that there is no system to teach. Guys like Josh McDaniels, Romeo Crennel and Eric Mangini struggled mightily while on their own. They saw the genius at work, but couldn’t duplicate his ideas. Nobody really can.

Bill Walsh learned from Paul Brown, who is arguably the greatest coach of all time and a man who loved organization and systems. Walsh took a systematic approach to how he did things and passed that on. Belichick can’t teach his assistants how to think like him. Walsh was able to teach Holmgren a way to do things. Holmgren taught Reid. Reid taught Pederson.

The coach has to hire the right staff. He needs to help put together a good roster. And being part of the right organization is a hugely underrated part of success.

Spagnuolo failed in St. Louis. Think about what he was dealing with. He became coach in 2009. The last time they had a winning season was 2003. Shurmur failed in Cleveland. He took over a team that had losing records for the previous 3 seasons and 6 of the last 7. You need a lot to overcome that level of institutional failure.

The Eagles were 10-6 in 2013 and 2014. They fell to 7-9 this year, which feels awful for a team with playoff expectations, but would be considered acceptable to the Rams and Browns that Shurmur and Spags inherited.

Pederson would not be coming to the Eagles as some kind of savior. He wouldn’t need to completely rebuild the team. There is some good talent in place. The team wasn’t that far away from going 9-7 this year. There is plenty of work to be done, but this is nothing like the Titans, where a coach would be building from the ground up. Or think about Gus Bradley and the Jaguars. He inherited an awful team and after 3 years is still in rebuilding mode. This Eagles team is nothing like that.

There would be a couple of critical tasks for Pederson. First would be trying to keep QB Sam Bradford. Pederson has worked with pocket passers and athletic QBs. He’s worked with rookies and veterans. I would be shocked if he didn’t want Bradford, who played very well down the stretch.

Hiring a strong coaching staff might be just as important. Reid’s initial staff with the Eagles was amazingly good. One of the things that made it so impressive is that he didn’t just hire a bunch of friends and coaches he knew. Reid loaded up on coaches from all over. He built a group with a variety of backgrounds. Young, old, college, pro…you name it. Reid was an offensive guru so he made sure to hire a very strong defensive coordinator. Reid brought a former NFL head coach in to help with the offense and to help with any situations that might arise. Rod Dowhower was comfortable in both roles. Reid also wisely kept coaches like Harbaugh, Ted Williams and Juan Castillo from the Ray Rhodes staff.

Pederson could keep someone like Pat Shurmur around to be his version of Dowhower (and to help make Bradford feel comfortable). Pederson would need to find a strong defensive coordinator. I’m sure he’s got a few names in mind. He would need someone he really trusted to run that side of the team. If Pederson kept Dave Fipp around, the team would already have one of the best special teams units in the league.

FIT

Beyond the Eagles not being a major rebuilding project, Pederson is a good fit for the Eagles.

The organization had a certain feel under Andy Reid. He was loyal to the players and they loved him. It wasn’t completely sunshine and rainbows, but it certainly wasn’t a cold, corporate culture. Some of that got lost during the Chip Kelly years. Lurie wants that feel back.

There was a more extreme example in KC when Scott Pioli became GM of that team and tried to bring the Patriots magic to a place that more of a laid back, family organization. Things went very, very wrong.

The NovaCare Complex didn’t become anything quite like that, but the organization got away from where it was during the Reid era. And Lurie saw it only heading further away.

Pederson saw things done right as a player (MIA, GB, PHI) and coach (PHI, KC). Pederson hasn’t just seen how Reid treated players, he’s experienced it. Reid coached QBs in Green Bay and developed a relationship with him there. Then Reid brought him to Philly and gave Pederson his first chance to be a starting QB. Reid and Pederson stayed in touch when their paths parted and that led to Reid giving Pederson his first NFL coaching job a decade later. There was loyalty and friendship between the two. That wasn’t just a friendship of convenience.

I think Pederson would do a lot to build up player relations and improve the atmosphere at NovaCare.

There is also the question of how a coach would fit in with the Eagles current power structure. Pederson knows Howie Roseman and has worked with him before. That doesn’t mean they would be best friends, but having an existing relationship should help them to work together. Pederson knows Lurie well. Lurie is reportedly high on Pederson, especially for his football knowledge, personality and background.

Pederson wouldn’t be coming to an organization where he had to assert his authority and let people know how he wants things done (in a dictatorial way). He would actually be loosening things up from the past few years. Pederson still knows some in the building so that familiarity would help with the transition.

Coming from KC, Pederson saw Reid and John Dorsey have a healthy coach-GM relationship. Pederson wouldn’t be coming to the Eagles to fight for power and worry about who had control of what. He would be a young coach focused on winning.

SUMMARY

Doug Pederson is not a sexy candidate. There is no great player, unit or team in his background. That doesn’t mean anything, though.

Billick was an offensive guru when he went to Baltimore. The Ravens never finished higher than 14th in yards and only finished higher than 12th in points once. He did win a Super Bowl, but that was all about Marvin Lewis and the dominant defense.

Spagnuolo was a defensive guru when he went to St. Louis. The Rams never finished higher than 19th in yards allowed. Unfortunately for him, there was no dynamic offense to bail him out so he was fired after 3 years.

Jimmy Johnson changed the game of football when he went to Dallas. He won 2 Super Bowls with the Cowboys. Later on he went to Miami. He won 2 wild card games with the Dolphins.

This isn’t a resume contest. Pederson wouldn’t stand a chance if that was the case. This is about Jeff Lurie trying to find the right coach for the Eagles. It is possible that Lurie and Roseman will think Pederson is the right guy.

There would be no “wow factor” with this hire. But the Eagles made the wow hire 3 years ago and now they are in the process of looking for a new coach so sometimes the wow factor is completely meaningless.

The best hire Lurie ever made, Andy Reid, was the least celebrated of his coaching hires. Ray Rhodes had just won the Super Bowl with the Niners when he came to Philly. The Eagles were going to become SF East. Didn’t happen. Chip Kelly was supposed to revolutionize the NFL. He certainly had an impact, but the Eagles never came close to being an elite team under him.

Reid was the guy who never called plays or was even a coordinator. He was the consolation prize when Holmgren took the Seattle job. Nobody had Reid as their first choice. He came in with little fanfare, but left as the best coach in franchise history.

If Pederson does get the job, remember that while he could be the next Pat Shurmur, he could also be the next Andy Reid. Lurie has made good hires so far during his time as owner. If there is something about Pederson he likes enough to roll the dice, history says he just might be right.

*****

If you want to do some further reading on Pederson:

Jenny Vrentas of MMQB on the Chiefs offensive adjustments

Chiefs website with an overview of Pederson’s life and career

The KC Star on Pederson’s expanded responsibilities in 2015

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  • Gian GEAGLE

    I think we should just Hire The Charlie Manuel of the NFL, Mr. Jim Bob Cooter… Movie Producer Jeff LURIE can do a “HBO HardKnocks 24/7” meets “CitySlickers” sort of deal…we can have redneck themed Tailgate parties,.. Jim Bob!!!! Picture the entire stadium chanting Cooter! Cooter! Cooter!

  • JoeBlow

    well Eddie Lacy proven me wrong…..nice running lane though

  • Greg Richards

    You did a pretty good job of selling Pederson, but my biggest concern is his ability to build a quality staff.

    • The original AG

      I think this more than anything is the key to success.

    • The original AG

      Actually, almost more than anything. Having a QB is the most important thing.

    • Dave

      Wouldn’t that be the same for any 1st time head coach?

      • Greg Richards

        Yes, but when you have a guy like Gase who has worked as an assistant at multiple locations, he has more potential connections that would allow him to attract talent. Pederson is solely tied to the Reid tree and most of those guys are already contractually tied elsewhere.

        • Dave

          I’ll quote Tommy on this…”Hiring a strong coaching staff might be just as important. Reid’s initial staff with the Eagles was amazingly good. One of the things that made it so impressive is that he didn’t just hire a bunch of friends and coaches he knew.”

          I imagine Andy gave Doug the same advice.

    • FairOaks

      Keeping Pat Shurmer around as OC and assistant head coach could be a good fit there. But yeah, he doesn’t have a ton of years in the league and you wonder how many coaches he knows. DC would be the biggest question there.

      • Greg Richards

        Here are some potential candidates and their connection:

        Steve Spagnuolo, Giants DC, Eagles defensive QC coach when he was QB here in 1999, also has same agent as Pederson

        Leslie Frazier, ex-TB DC, Eagles DB coach in 1999, same agent

        Kirk Olividatti, Redskins LBs coach, his father was Dolphins’ DC when Pederson played there from 1993-95

        Ed Donatell, current Bears’ DBs coach, was GB DC when Pederson was backup QB there from 2001-3, also same agent, may be under contract with CHI so they could potentially block move

        Mark Duffner, Dolphins, LBs coach, Packers’ LB coach in 2003

        Kurt Schottenheimer, currently out of football, Packers DB in 2004,

        Mike Caldwell, currently AHC/LBs coach for Jets, Eagles assistant LBs coach in 2010, LBs coach in 2011-12

        Dick Juaron, currently out of football, Eagles’ DBs coach in
        2010, last with Cleveland as DC from 2011-12

        Lou Anarumo, DBs coach/interim DC with MIA last year, same agent

        Perry Fewell, Redskins DBs coach, same agent, potentially blockable

        Mike Nolan, Chargers LBs coach, same agent, potentially blockable

        • JoeBlow

          good work!

        • Greg Richards

          Out of these, Donatell is my favorite option if he’s available.

          • JoeBlow

            i wouldn’t mind him, Jauron, or Olivadotti he’s a local guy

        • Media Mike

          Good list.

        • JMS

          Awful list, mostly NFL retreads and failures like Bill Davis!

    • This sold Pederson? How so? This was a drool fest over every coach that Pederson remotely heard of, and proves nothing about our new coach. “Doug’s second cousin knew a guy who lived next door to Bill Walsh! That means Walsh and Doug have dinner together every Tuesday night and Doug got Walsh’s knowledge through osmosis.” Bullshit. This hire will be a disaster.

  • oreofestar

    Crap

    • TypicalDouche

      Screw the skins.

    • xeynon

      Yup, they’re really good.

      Hail to the Fraudskins!

  • Gian GEAGLE

    Eddie Lacy is so Fat!

    • FairOaks

      Lacy has a rib injury, so it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s wearing extra padding (of the actual equipment variety) around the rib section.

      • sonofdman

        What a coincidence. I am wearing extra padding around the rib section as well, and I am not even playing.

        • Greg Richards

          So am I. Some people call them love handles.

  • Greg Richards

    Go Pack!

  • oreofestar

    Gotta bring Lacy down, I know he’s basically an O lineman but still lol

  • GermanEagle

    Why not Dave Toub instead? Why?

    • Greg Richards

      There’s a league-wide bias against STs coaches for some reason. You’d think Harbaugh would have been enough to convince owners league-wide to change their thinking. Even Harbaugh had to switch to a position coach for one year(DBs) to get consideration.

      • GermanEagle

        Harbaugh, please.

    • TommyLawlor

      I’m as interest in Dave Toub as anyone, but we just don’t know if STs guys can succeed as HC. Harbaugh moved to defense before getting his job.

  • NoPedersonNoPederson

    Well, this made me feel marginally better about pederson, which is saying something. It is worth a downgrade of 3 “No Pederson’s” to two in my name

  • JoeBlow

    James Starks always seems to come up big in big games….he hurt us in 2010

    • daveH

      Noting same thing .. he has a fullback in front of him also .. wud a coaching candidate in philly do well to pitch a strategy of 1 new O lineman maybe 2, a fullback, trade Bradford for 2 2nd rounders, get RG3 for lowball ..and run the crap out of demarco murray ??
      Mskes the loss of money invested in him easier to stomach

      • JoeBlow

        not trying to be a dick but do you type with your toes?

        • daveH

          Funny!
          hate my cell phone’s digital keypad, On a bus, dont have my glasses.

          • JoeBlow

            lol ok

          • ChoTime

            Do you ever use the mic? It works pretty well if you speak slowly and clearly into it. I kind of thought you were from another country, dude!

          • daveH

            Yes but only for real short chats.
            But Not for the deep analysis i drop in here so much

          • ChoTime

            Are you embarrassed to be holding your phone up and saying things like “Only. An. Idiot. Can’t. See. That. Resigning. Bradford. Is. The. Key. To. Winning. The. Offseason.”

          • daveH

            I just want my keypad phone back.. my spellcheck is unreliable. havent found an aftermarket keypad for a samsung

          • daveH

            I drop the mic

          • daveH

            Go Eagles.
            Mic drop.

          • Forthebirds

            No need to apologize.CEll phones suck for texting. I have the manual dexterity of a horse to begin with. Typos are obvious and understandable. As a college English professor, it’s the guys who have no concept of grammar or understanding of the meaning of words who drive me nuts.

          • daveH

            Reuters & IB chats, extensive use of short commands and a myriad of abbreviations have changed communication long before others started using IM & twitter also.
            My spelling is excellent. Typing also is very good .. my ideas meh .. my texting used to be good … sukes on this thing now no matter how much i embrace it.

  • oreofestar

    Sigh

  • Greg Richards

    Green Bay kicking ass now.

    • JoeBlow

      i recognize these packers!

      • FairOaks

        They have been showing up lately… just in the last three minutes of the game though. This is more like earlier in the season for them.

  • Tumtum

    This one is a doosey. Will read after the is blow out is over.

  • anon

    Waiting to exhale

  • daveH

    Fketch Cox wud help Pack D nicely

    • ACViking

      That’s exactly why you don’t want to be stuck tagging Bradford.

      You don’t want to be in the same position after 2016 when you may have to tag Cox just to buy time for additional negotiations

      • daveH

        Wasnt ready for a great insight like that! !

    • Howie Littlefinger

      He would help any D nicely

      The guy is unblock able

      • daveH

        But watching Pack it reminded me of how Reggie was such a key component

  • oreofestar

    If Skins can’t stop them in O none of this matters

  • Henly125

    Good piece, Tommy. I took some time to watch some of Doug Pederson’s interviews earlier before the games. He’s very insightful and is pretty smart when giving examples on X’s and O’s.

    My initial thought was that he wasn’t ready to be a HC yet, considering he’s only been coaching in the pros since 2009.. But when you look at the football minds he’s worked with, you wonder if he may be worth rolling the dice on. I like him, for sure. He has certainly grown on me and would mind if the Eagles hired him.

    KC has protected the football very well since 2013. (Lord knows the Eagles need help in that department.) They’ve been a top 10 offense twice, and have have maintained a low number of turnovers from the QB spot. A lot of credit should go to Reid of course, but you can’t overlook the fact that Pederson learned from a great offensive mind who has adjusted his system more in the last 3 seasons than he did in 14 years in Philly.

    Here’s one of his interviews I saw earlier: http://youtu.be/iPXXTdXrHKY

    • Allen3000

      It is refreshing to see Andy be more flexible as a coach. I thought KC had some extremely well designed play calls yesterday. Overall, that offense has been very mediocre though – hence my apathy toward Pederson.

      • Gary Barnes

        They are 4th in the AFC and 9th in the NFL in points…mediocre?

  • myartz04

    Desean update: 2 catches 17yds…playoff game. Win or go home.

    • anon

      He going to throw it to himself?

      • myartz04

        His one trick has been covered all night. And he’s 175 lbs so you can’t throw it up to him because he is too small.

      • xeynon

        DeSean is a one dimensional player who is easier to take out of the game than any “elite” receiver I’ve ever seen. Chip should not have let him go for nothing but he’s a loser as a player.

        • ChoTime

          … still better than any of our receivers.

    • Dave

      Seriously, did you expect anything different. DeSean himslef says he believes in karma:-)

      • myartz04

        Personally I am not surprised at all.

    • eagleyankfan

      Not to mention he caused a 4 point swing….

    • Allen3000

      In retrospect, that 2013 season seems so incredibly far fetched. 1300+ yards for DJax. 800+ for Riley Cooper. Nick Foles with a damn perfect season. How did that happen? How did it all unravel so quickly??? Blah…

      Desean was never worth #1 WR $$$ and I think him getting shut down by Keenan Lewis sealed his fate (and subsequently seeking $10 mill a year). He was pretty damn awesome to have on our team though. More a luxury than a guy you build your offense around though. If only Chip would have handled the situation better (knowing what we know about him now, he probably was responsible for leaking those egregious ‘gang’ stories), he wouldn’t have looked like such an ass.

      • myartz04

        Wish he was Steve Smith but…with desean’s talent.

      • FairOaks

        Shorr-Parks talked to police in California, I think. Doubt it was anyone with the team to be low enough to do that (and they knew all that stuff for years, and signed him to a second contract anyways).

        I think the issue was that Kelly did like blocking ability in receivers, the fact that DeSean could be shut down in big games (big help in getting to playoffs but not so much when there), and his increasing attention to non-football stuff especially in the off-season. DeSean does have a bit of a “they’re not going to tell me what to do” mentality… some of which is healthy, but he’s probably just a bit too much that way — not by a lot, but enough to irritate Kelly. That, and his contract had gotten to the renegotiate-or-release stage (10 million unguaranteed) and not sure how much he wanted to renegotiate.

        • Sam Bradfords Chicken Legs

          Yeah people keep blaming Chip when he really wasn’t in charge fully yet. And Chip leak anything to media? He hates media. No way could I picture Chip himself doing that. But it does have Roseman written all over it, who was the GM and is the ultimate snake. Really who knows where he got all of that info from, but police were one of the sources. Some of it was dug up and some was more secretive and seemed to be covered up like deeper info about the drug arrest in 2009, so it has front office ties most likely. Media today is shady.

          • FairOaks

            Releasing Jackson was Chip’s decision. From everything we have read, Roseman was utterly against it and that probably led to some of the problems between them. I don’t think there is any evidence that Roseman is the type to smear players like that at all (and the Eagles really never seem to do that). The Phillies certainly did in the past, but I don’t see the Eagles ever really doing that (it could poison relationships with some agents, for example). That was, I think, purely a reporter trying to figure out why a team would just release him, and dug up some stuff in California. I’m pretty sure I have read his source for that story was someone in a police department in California, not anyone with the team. He’s also about the most consistently wrong reporter covering the team. It was also information the team knew and re-signed him a couple years previously anyways.

    • FairOaks

      Desean’s playoff output:

      2008: vs MIN, 1 catch, 34 yards; vs NYG, 4 catch 81 yards; vs ARI 6 catch 92 yards.
      2009: vs DAL, 3 catch 14 yards.
      2010: vs GNB, 2 catch 47 yards
      2013: vs NOR, 3 catch, 53 yards.

      He produced his rookie year, but since then he’s been rather quiet in the playoffs. That is definitely part of the problem with him — he can be shut down. Redskins do have Garcon and Reed as well, so it’s not like they are bereft of talent elsewhere (part of the issue vs the Saints in the playoffs). He’s great for many games during the regular season though, and fun to watch.

    • Gary Barnes

      Karma is a bitch

  • Allen3000

    Tommy either knows something we don’t or his intuition is telling him that Pederson is definitely our next coach. I don’t believe he wrote 1/5th this much on any other coaching candidate.

    As I said before, pretty underwhelming hire but I’ll welcome him with open arms. If I’m being honest with myself though, I’m not really enamored with any of the candidates. My biggest worry with Pederson is his ability to bring in quality coaches – especially on defense. I doubt he’s bringing anybody over from KC since they’re all pretty old. So who else does he know? How connected is he?

    • Dave

      I posted this below based on a similar comment…As per Tommy”s article, “Hiring a strong coaching staff might be just as important. Reid’s initial staff with the Eagles was amazingly good. One of the things that made it so impressive is that he didn’t just hire a bunch of friends and coaches he knew.”

    • The original AG

      I pretty much have felt since Gase left that Pederson was their guy.

    • eagleyankfan

      I was also wondering why all the ink on him

    • bdbd20

      A lot of the local writers are saying similar things. There might be some off the record conversations where it was made clear that it was Pederson’s job.

  • oreofestar

    Hate the Packers, hate the Cardinals, hate the Steelers, hate the Seahawks, hate the Chiefs, hate the Broncos… What a year

    • RobNE

      Don’t forget the Pats

  • Aaron

    the skins hot streak is bout to end

    • The original AG

      Good. I don’t know how beating 3 of 4 NFCE teams makes you a hot team.

      • Aaron

        yeah, you’re righ

  • Sam Bradfords Chicken Legs

    Ugh I can’t find a positive spin on this or buy into one.

  • eagleyankfan

    After reading 1000+ articles on how/why chip Kelly was the greatest fit in the history of football…I really don’t care about any background(except JM)….I’m giving any coach a clean slate….with that said…bringing up coaching high school as any reason to consider him is a crock of @@@@….

  • oreofestar

    Eff this year

  • Aaron

    Joe buck looks like a cartoon drawing

    • JoeBlow

      looks like he could be ESP’s father

  • oreofestar

    Theres not a single team left that I want to root for, its just a matter of hating yes less at this point

    • The original AG

      I’m okay with Denver and KC.

      • oreofestar

        Nah I hate them too especially Denver…Patriots *shudder* might be team I hate least in the AFC

        • RobNE

          You take that back.

          • oreofestar

            It’s just this kind of year, the teams I could try and get behind all lost this weekend

          • RobNE

            Only one team cheated against us in the SB.

          • oreofestar

            Meh…I have enough reasons to hate everyone else…now that I think about it I’ll root for all bye teams next week

    • xeynon

      Panthers, Cardinals, Chiefs, Broncos. There are plenty of teams left that I can root for.

      • Media Mike

        F Carolina. Go Seattle.

        • xeynon

          No way, I hate Seattle. They’re a bunch of loudmouths, Russell Wilson is a phony, and the way the media slurps them drives me nuts. I hope they get destroyed by the Panthers.

          • Media Mike

            Nope. Scam Newton is a phony and should be humbled. I hope Sherman gets a pick 6 and brings out some kryptonite on the field after the game to rub it in that piece of garbage Newton’s arrogant face.

          • xeynon

            Not sure what you’re talking about with Newton. He has taken a quantum leap this year and has truly become an elite quarterback. And I know people in Charlotte who’ve met him and say cockiness on the field aside, he’s a great guy. He’s involved in the community and spends hours signing autographs for kids. I find it impossible to hate him.

          • mksp

            Love Cam.

          • oreofestar

            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^°³

      • oreofestar

        I hate the last 3 personally but good for you that you have teams to root for (Im not bring sarcastic)

        • xeynon

          Not sure why you’d hate two AFC teams and an NFC team that’s never won anything, but to each their own.

    • Media Mike

      I’ll be rooting for Seattle, Arizona, Denver, New England.

      Then Seattle and Denver.

      Then Seattle.

      • oreofestar

        *shudder*

        • Media Mike

          I enjoy the hell out of Seattle. Especially because they led the good fight to keep Kaepertrash from winning. They now have an obligation to shut down Scam Netwon.

          • oreofestar

            Nah eff Seattle

          • Media Mike

            They’re welcome to lose to Arizona, but I’m not going to tolerate any extended knob slobbing of Scam Newton. He needs to be eliminated.

          • oreofestar

            I hate them too but I just hate everyone else more…Packers must die next week

          • Media Mike

            Packers can feel free to die in Arizona.

    • ChoTime

      I’m cool with either Seattle or Arizona, really, both good teams built the right way. Plus I live in Arizona and everyone around here are fans, so that’s kind of fun.

  • oreofestar

    Theres not a single team left that I want to root for, its just a matter of hating teams less at this point

  • Media Mike

    This is thorough and reasonable. I wouldn’t hate Pederson, but I agree that the overall staff would need to be more closely scrutinized.

    The only bad hires at this point would be McDermott or Coughlin.

    • oreofestar

      I don’t want Doug but I’d take him over Tom for sure

  • xeynon

    One thing worth remembering re: Pederson is that as ex-players go, backup quarterbacks tend to make among the best coaches. They spend a lot of time learning and studying the playbook and all the scout team work they do translates to familiarity with a variety of offensive schemes. Pederson has served an internship and is worth talking to.

    • Greg Richards

      Great point about working as a scout team QB.

    • myartz04

      A lot of coaches are former shitty qbs…good coaches too.

    • D3FB

      QB, OL, LB, and DBs tend to make the best coaches.

      Why?

      Because in order to be good at any of those positions you have to understand what other people are doing and how it affects your assignments.

  • Mitchell

    I’ll never understand why people get so butt hurt when a team gets coach so and so. The fact of the matter is, you have NO idea how that coach, players and staff will gel together. The only thing we can do is sit back and hope the next hire becomes something special.

    • Media Mike

      With the caveat that there are certain coaching hires who should be a no-go if they have a proven track record of crap work.

      • Dave

        Yeah, like Pete Carroll. He sucked as head coach of the Jets and the Patriots.

        • Media Mike

          No he didn’t. He was mediocre at both places. I mean like Sean McDermott worst red zone in the NFL in 30 years bad.

          • Dave

            Evidently you don’t believe in redemption.

            Seriously, could you imagine the Philly media, sports radio, and fans if they hired a guy like Carroll who left the NFL to go back to college because he was too much of a rah rah players coach. Funny how things evolve.

          • Media Mike

            Not for McDermott. He kept his cocky attitude on the way out the door and kept harping on “12th in yards allowed” as his putrid coaching in the red zone lost us far too many games and his brutal personality alienated most of the players on the D.

          • Dave

            I’m going to make the assumption that Lurie remembers his personality as well, thus no interview…even with Reuben Frank and many other members of the media beating the drum for him.

          • Media Mike

            Indeed!

          • BobSmith77

            Kind of what I see too and the hints out that McDermott would have to mend fences here in order to return.

        • Howie Littlefinger

          more like rob ryan, how does that guy get work

    • The original AG

      I absolutely knew Eddie Jordan was going to be a terrible hire. Outside of that, I’ve had no idea.

      • Allen3000

        Wherever Dave Wandstedt goes you know success won’t follow.

    • kajomo

      Some fans just like winning the offseason. Miami fans act like the just won the lottery hiring Gase. The truth is Tannehill is very average and they still have to beat the patriots.

    • ChoTime

      We don’t really know how players we draft or acquire in free agency will be either, nor do we know about how any of the minutiae we discuss ad infinitum will turn out, but that doesn’t really stop us from discussing, prognosticating, fulminating, and otherwise interlocuting!

      • Mitchell

        Coaches are on a different level IMO. We now have game tapes of many draft picks and we can see the free agents play at the very least. Coaches, besides their resumes with various teams and the progress of the units they’ve coached are more variable. We can project players to a certain extent because I feel we have more info, coaches we don’t.

  • The original AG

    All 4 road teams won this week, and I expect the opposite next week.

    • oreofestar

      I hope for the opposite

    • Media Mike

      Not quite.

      I expect Arizona, New England, and Denver to win.

      But Carolina will be losing to Seattle.

      • The original AG

        I know you hate Cam and the Panthers, but I gotta go home team on that one. Seattle is lucky to still be playing right now.

        • Media Mike

          Carolina was lucky all year; so something has to give.

          • oreofestar

            Sure in the NFC championship game but no no no they better beat the Seahawks

          • Media Mike

            Needs to happen sooner rather than later. Kill off a small problem before it becomes a big one.

          • oreofestar

            Nah need Seattle dead first then I worry about the rest

          • Media Mike

            I need Carolina GONE in the worst way.

          • oreofestar

            That’s how I feel about Seattle

          • Media Mike

            I will always enjoy Seattle because they helped kill off that Kaepertrash before it could win a title. I’ll always owe them.

          • oreofestar

            Who cares about Kap I don’t care about him enough to not hate Seattle

          • Media Mike

            I do. He’s a piece of garbage.

          • oreofestar

            So… Like Seattle

          • Media Mike

            No way. Seattle is epic good entertainment. Richard Sherman cracks me up.

          • oreofestar

            Kawan Short and Josh Norman are entertaining so hope they kill em

          • ChoTime

            You would have if Seattle hadn’t taken him out. We would be hearing about that dude and his biceps on ESPN constantly.

      • ChoTime

        Seattle is the better team, but they are on the road–again. Will be tough sledding.

  • P_P_K

    I admire how Pederson has worked his way up to OC, but he has never called plays for a whole game, let alone a season. In my mind, this makes him far from ideal. He lacks experience working with a D and doesn’t have the chops to bring this Eagles O alive.

    • oreofestar

      He’s just…a dude

      • P_P_K

        Yup. Seems like a good dude, too, but not the dude to be HC of my Eagles.

    • Media Mike

      Isn’t that why we need to see who he’d bring on as a staff?

    • Fufina

      I must be odd because i don’t like head coaches calling plays. Manage your team and the game, leave play calling to your coordinators.

      If they hire Pederson its because he has all the skills you need to be a good head coach – because the organisation has extensive experience with him. Personally i am not sure he is the favorite some media are making him out to be… My gut says Mcadoo

    • anon

      Maybe he won’t be calling plays here.

  • oreofestar

    I hate seeing Rodgers smile it disgusts me…his happiness…it pains me…now he can enjoy the team that raped him of his happiness a mere 2 weeks ago, and I shall laugh

  • Insomniac

    Despite Media Mike’s endless hatred for Cam, I would love to see a Chiefs-Panthers Super Bowl with Andy winning it all.

    • oreofestar

      *shudders again*

      • Insomniac

        All is right in the world when the Redskins lose.

        • Media Mike

          That is correct!

        • oreofestar

          My poor Redskins…well won’t be rooting for them again for a while

          • Insomniac

            There’s this taste of disgust and vomit in the back of my mouth when I read this abomination of a sentence.

          • oreofestar

            Haha XD I promise I’m done I just hate all the remaining teams

          • ChoTime

            What is the story exactly with you and the team that plays in Washington?

    • Media Mike

      F Carolina.

      And Andy really isn’t entitled to win a Superbowl if he didn’t win one here.

      But I like to see KC do well besides that.

      • Insomniac

        Ehh it would be bittersweet to see Andy winning it all but we would have had a SB win if Belichick didn’t sacrifice all of his entire family lines soul to Cthulhu to get away with all of the cheating.

        • oreofestar

          Nah it would be painful, the media would never let us hear the end of it if the coach we fired eind a SB the year we fired his replacement

        • Media Mike

          I’d rather blame our coaching staff for being ill-prepared for several things New England did along with Roy Williams for hurting TO. I don’t think New England cheated us.

        • kajomo

          Yea. I dont know how anyone could not root for AR. Even if you had issues with soem coachjng decisions he was a A+ person. Im a Chiefs fan this post season

    • sonofdman

      That would be my top scenario as well given the remaining teams.

  • Media Mike

    RG3 saying goodbye Washington………..hello Cleveland.

    • JoeBlow

      “Hello Cleveland!”……spinal tap

      • Media Mike

        Funny seeing as RGKnee will be getting spinal tapped by Steelers, Bengals, and Ravens 6 times next year.

    • Dave

      He said he wants to go to Dallas…to be close to his mentor Deion.

      • Media Mike

        He might want that, but Jerry wants Manziel.

        • Dave

          I’d love to see them both there, which could happen if they both get cut. The drama would be endless, especially if Romo got hurt again.

          • oreofestar

            Please happen!

          • Media Mike

            But I need one Manziel in Dallas to keep them from taking a QB at 4 and RGMe in Cleveland to keep them away from a QB at two.

            Those are both essential elements to the Eagles getting at QB in the draft.

          • oreofestar

            There’s no chance that both those teams pass a QB and you still have SF at 7

          • Media Mike

            No no no no no. They need to pass on QB and the Niners need to talk themselves into Lynch at 7. Get with the program.

          • oreofestar

            Rams can trade up with the ammo we gave them,NO can be a dark horse

          • Media Mike

            I’m not understanding how this results in the Eagles getting a QB of quality in the draft. You’re talking nonsense.

          • FairOaks

            If there is a QB either team really likes in the draft, they will be taking them regardless. Make them the 3rd QB if they also sign the reclamation projects.

            That goes especially for Cleveland if they are done with Manziel… you need multiple options at QB in their situation. Dallas has so much money tied up in Romo you wonder if they can afford to take a QB that high in the draft anyways. They can’t get out of that anytime soon either — they still have $30 million of already-given bonus money to account for on the cap.

          • Media Mike

            That is nonsensical because it doesn’t help the Eagles get a QB I want.

          • oreofestar

            They’re probably resigning Sam, instead of praying that all these teams pass up on these kids that may never be good

          • Media Mike

            I want both.

            Either Bradford back on a short term deal and Goff at 13
            or
            Bradford back on a short term deal and trade down from 13, still get Wentz, a 2nd rounder, and one more pick.

          • oreofestar

            I think Goff at 13 in a long shot at best… We need the OL too bad rn to pay Sam AND take a QB round one imo

          • Media Mike

            And I guess Santa isn’t real either. Bleed you buddy.

          • oreofestar

            Woah woah Santa is definitely real

          • Fufina

            Looking at some draftnik’s jumping on the Wentz train we might need to trade up to get him…

  • oreofestar

    Well I liked that while it lasted but whatever, hope they sucl again next year. The Packers infuriate me especially Rodgers…must be destroyed

  • pxa

    I was not on the Pederson bandwagon. But reading this analysis, I am willing to suspend my disbelief.

    • Media Mike

      True. Tommy makes enough good points to make this palatable.

  • miked718

    That chin though…

    • Media Mike

      As long as it isn’t Cowher’s…………

      • miked718

        True. And as stupid as this is, it was great to see Shurmur on the sideline against the Giants because he doesn’t share the Reid/Kelly body type. I know it’s stupid but I know I wasn’t the only one who thought that. No actual point here just offseason blabber.

  • pxa

    The key to the next hire will be the staff. After so many firings this year, there are many good people to choose from. The bigger concern will the GM issue. The next coach will not be successful if Eagles continue to draft players like Watkins, Marcus Smith or even Agholor in the first round.

    • Media Mike

      Watkins = Reid
      Marcus Smith = Kelly

      Agholor; still can be good.

      But I agree we need another voice of quality in the front office.

      • oreofestar

        Oh I thought he meant Jaylen erased the other dude from my mind

        • Media Mike

          The fake out fireman? I loved how his teammates were quoted as calling him a “con artist”

      • anon

        Smiths might have been selected by Kelly but Howie created the board. Ags sucked first year but he’s got talent.

        • oreofestar

          Even if Ags sucks, Rowe and Hicks are gonna be studs

        • Fufina

          And every team busts with first round picks, especially late 1sts that have a ~40% bust rate.

  • Bob Brewer

    If you’re a Washington player now, do you even want DJax back? Seriously, what are some of those guys thinking in there?

  • A_T_G

    Now that the NFC East is all at home, watching, I can safely root against the establishment. I have grown tired of the same teams in the playoffs. I hoped CIN and MIN would win, but I hope more to see DEN, GB, SEA and NE eliminated ASAP.

    • anon

      Me too really wanted Vikings to win. Like Pittsburgh but not sure if big Ben will survive.

      • oreofestar

        “Like Pittsburgh” ._.

    • oreofestar

      That’s why I was rooting for the Skins tired of seeing the same teams I hate in it every year wish Dalton was healthy

      • sonofdman

        Before the game, part of me wanted the skins to win for that very reason, but I couldn’t bring myself to root for them. When the game came on, I remembered that I don’t like them and it made it very easy to root for Green Bay.

      • wee2424

        I hate the Skins simply because they are in NFCE. That being said I did want to see them beat GB. I was really curious to see how Cousins would do going deeper into the playoffs and against a team like Seattle, Arizona, or Carolina.

        Cousins looks as thouh he could POSSIBLY end up being one of the better QBs in the league for years. Washington is starting to turn it around and has found a franchise QB. Scary.

        Gruden has done a very good job with that team. Snyder and RG initially held him back. I hope Snyder hasn’t learned his lesson to stay out of the football aspect of things.

        • FairOaks

          We’ll see if he keeps getting better, but they might have also just found their Foles — but without the luxury of another cheap year to find out more.

          • wee2424

            Foles had an amazing year in 2013, with that being said there was some serious luck involved and he had the benefit of Chips offense catching teams off guard. Having the leading rusher in the league helped as well.

            If you really watch Cousins you can see traits in him that really make you think he will progress. Maybe he will stay at the same level or have a down year next year, but I do not think it will be like a Foles 2014/2015 bad year.

    • Media Mike

      Need Carolina gone. Don’t care to see Pittsburgh advance again either.

  • Greg Tulino

    If DP is such a good candidate then why hasn’t any other teams even afforded him an interview? That’s one thing I find odd. The Eagles, to my knowledge are the only team to hold or set up an interview with him. Does this strike anyone else as odd also?

    • Fufina

      Not really since we would have an inside track with him that almost no other team than Kansas would have. You are right that he is not a flashy coordinator with huge productive offense behind him (as is often with Andy he would rather invest in defense and make it work with scheme offensively).

      That does not mean he does not have the ability or skills to be a very good head coach.

      I think the leagues obsession over hiring hotshot coordinators bizarre honestly, since being a great X’s and O’s play caller is not the most important aspect of the job at all.

      • wee2424

        Agree. I think as far as DC/OC you want to focus more on the Xs and Os then anything else. HC entails alot more then just an X/O guy. See Chip as a somewhat decent example of that. Josh Mcdaniels is an even better example.

    • kajomo

      I’m a little young so I dont remember, but did AR get multiple interviews?

      • sonofdman

        I don’t think so.

      • wee2424

        Young as well. I was in 5th grade when he got hired, but I don’t think he did either.

    • FairOaks

      Did anyone else interview Andy Reid in 1999?

      Doesn’t sound like it based on this article…

      http://mobile.philly.com/beta?wss=/philly/sports/eagles&id=185220032

      • Greg Tulino

        No, they didn’t and it worked out. It could definitely work out again, its just odd that the other 7 teams in need of a coach did not even have him on their radar for even a token interview. The Eagles are either smarter than everyone else or we could find that DP is over his head. Obviously we would all love for it to work out and for DP to lead us to our first super bowl victory in time. That would be just fine with me.

        • wee2424

          Unfortunetly I do not think we are smarter then everyone else.

        • FairOaks

          Not sure that Harbaugh got many interviews either other than Baltimore.

          http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2008-01-20/sports/0801200054_1_john-harbaugh-ravens-head-coach

          I’m sure the Eagles drew up several candidates for a while now, if they were thinking of firing Kelly (which I’m sure was not a snap decision), without knowing who other teams would like — usually though there are some assistants who have done well that year so you can guess. Lurie knew Harbaugh as well and so may know the personality he’s looking for. Hiring someone one year earlier than other teams would look would fit the profile of a Reid or Harbaugh though. From afar, we look at accomplishments, but really, I’m sure team is looking for a plan and (this time) a particular personality.

          • Greg Richards

            Not at the NFL level. He did come in 2nd for the UCLA head coaching job right before he got hired by Baltimore.

      • sonofdman

        I don’t think so, but I’m not 100% sure.

      • wee2424

        No, and yes it worked. However how that worked out is in no means the norm. From a fans perspective all that we can see is that moves like that normally end in failure more then success.

        • Greg Richards

          That’s going to be the case of anyone you hire. “Hot” coordinator. Retread head coach. College guy. Unknown sleeper. Most head coaches fail.

          • wee2424

            True. With that said I think most new hires also fail do to poor organizations or just really crappy teams.

            I don’t think we are either. We don’t have a great team, but it is a team with talent that is better then the record indicated. Alot like the 2012 mess.

            Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t view us as the “normal” team looking for a HC.

      • Greg Richards

        Think Seattle had him on their list but they landed their top choice, Mike Holmgren, pretty quickly.

    • johhnyblaze

      I agree

  • BobSmith77

    So the leading candidates are Coughlin and Pederson? Ugh. It is ridiculous they are even seriously considering Coughlin at this point.

    • wee2424

      There is an interesting possibility that a writer (forget who) brought up. Basically we would hire Macadoo and Coughlin. Coughlin would be HC and Macadoo OC. Macadoo would serve as coach in waiting untill Coughlin were to retire. Article can be found on BGN.

      Yes I know I butchered Macadoos name. Forgot spelling and to lazy to.spell check.

      Highly doubt the situation happens, but who knows.

      Either way I think there could be worse hires then Pederson or Coughlin.

      I wonder how much if at all Bradfords opinions on the candidates will affect the hire.

      • ACViking

        The McAdoo as heir apparent is a great plan … Until McAdoo takes a HC job with another team before Coughin is ready to give up the throne

        • oreofestar

          If that’s the direction they want to go I’d rather they just hire him now and not waste time with Tom maybe they are bringing in Tom to get more info on McAdoo

        • D3FB

          I proposed hiring McAdoo as HC and then giving Tom some kind of senior consultant coach title. For one you can’t hire McAdoo as OC, he’s under contract with the Giants and they won’t let him go in a lateral move.

          For McAdoo it gives him some “training wheels” and gives him an extra set of eyes in the building. He can bounce things off Coughlin who has 25 years of HC experience and has done it all from BC to the expansion Jags, to 2 titles with NYG. He’s been in just about every situation imaginable. And he’s mellowed so he would be a great person to give advice about when to use carrot vs stick.

          For Coughlin you’re still directly involved at a high level. But now you work 60 hour weeks, not 80. It would be a graceful way for him to slowly wean himself into retirement.

          HC in waiting has never worked. There’s a reason why it became so trendy in college but now nobody does it. Either you have no firm deadline and the in waiting coach gets tired and wants his shot so he leaves. Or you enforce a deadline and now who do players go to? The guy who is gone in 18 months? Or the coordinator who will take over? It sets up an uncomfortable dynamic for everybody involved.

          • ACViking

            This is a good idea.

          • RobNE

            what do you think of Pederson as a hire?

          • D3FB

            Hated it initiailly, but I’ve warmed to it. There is no magic formula. The question is can you build a reasonable case. I think Tommy proved you can. Guenther is still my top choice but I could live with Pederson.

          • RobNE

            why Guenther, he has only been a coordinator for one year.

          • D3FB
    • Dave

      Way to stay positive!

      • BobSmith77

        Pederson is at least an unknown. Coughlin should be headed to AARP-early discount specials at 5:30 and not coaching an NFL team next year let alone in 2 or 3 years.

        • Dave

          Eli would disagree

          • BobSmith77

            Look at what the Giants has done the past 4 years or what kind of precedent there is for an NFL coach who is 70+. The answer is crickets.

            Even a week ago if Coughlin would have been suggested on here as a serious and possibly leading candidate, it would have gotten lots of derision and rightfully so.

          • Dave

            .70 year old versus a 37 year old with no head coaching experience, it’s a toss up based on how their interviews went. My point is that there is more than enough time for negativity once the actual coach is hired.

          • oreofestar

            Nah I’ll be negative now

          • Dave

            Don’t let a women tell you otherwise, men have PMS too. Piss and Moan Syndrome.

          • oreofestar

            I’ve got that big time

          • FairOaks

            47 year old. Probably just a typo, but an important one 😉

          • Dave

            Sorry, I was referring to Gase.

    • Gian GEAGLE

      Lol COUGHLIN/Roseman would be a disaster

  • johhnyblaze

    Anyone remember the last time we listened to Andy regarding an up and coming coach he groomed to be a head coach

    • sonofdman

      No. I’m not sure who you are talking about. We have only had one head coach since Andy, and I’m pretty sure Andy didn’t groom him to be head coach.

      • ChoTime

        You juan me to refresh your memory?

        • johhnyblaze

          That’s the juan I was referring to!!

          • NoPedersonNoPederson

            funny story, he actually never got to be a HC

  • jaws80

    I dont like the not calling a full game ever thing. Sure Reid made the jump, but still have to trust Lurie going 2 for 2 on finding those special candidates that can grow as a play caller, while assembling a staff, leading a staff, and every other million things that go into being a HC that Pederson has not had to do as an OC under an offensive HC.

    But i am also prejudiced by memories of him as our starting QB. We had a QB picked to be the franchise QB, then were told the most boring of boring backup career backup boring QBs would be the starting QB without any competition in training camp. That was fine, especially back then it was more common not to start rookie QBs, but it was so boring, and Pederson was a nice guy, but was so boring. This is not fair at all, but it is real. Pederson as QB was what was needed at the moment, a placeholder, but every game Pederson started meant having to keep waiting for what promised to be at least a very exciting, playmaking rookie.

  • Mr. Magee

    Wow, this is such a long post by Tommy… Why the hard sell?

    I presume the feeling of most fans who are reluctant to hiring Pederson base their opposition on the idea that he does not bring a fresh perspective (see Andy Reid era) and that he hasn’t “done” a whole lot at the coordinator level. I’m not necessarily against the hire, but I certainly understand the POV of those who are.

    • dillinja

      I think part of it also stems from his brief stint as a very mediocre QB for the Eagles as well, which is coloring people’s perceptions of him.

  • NinjaP

    This is very homeristic Tommy. Pederson has been an NFL coach for 5 years and hasn’t done anything of note in any of them. The fact the eagles even talked to him to be the new head coach of the team is a joke. Lurie needs to let the Reid era go and move the team in a new direction.

  • anon

    I feel like the ownership is scared. Are they really running back to the coach that they fired and trying to get the closest approximation? Lurie gave this whole speech about not being “risk adverse”. but feel like he’s just trying to retrace his steps instead of having a real process or a gm with an idea about what he wants / will win in the league.

    If all of this is because were’ trying to keep shurmur / bradford i’m ok.

    People hate chip kelly but I like that he had a really analytic approach to football. Typically players w/ certain measurements play well so that’s how we draft. Certain types of teams make the playoffs so let’s build the team this way. Analytics has it’s limits and it’s sort o trial and error to get it right but there was a logical plan. I guess at the end of the day Chip’s problem was “execution”. Hopefully they don’t toss out all the good stuff. Jenkins was talking about how changed practice days are a grind in the season but that he feels the best he ever has, has been as healthy as ever.

    • BobSmith77

      ‘Scared’ isn’t the right word as much as they don’t have a firm ideal of what they want do after they fired Kelly.

      Really believe that they were hoping that Harbaugh or Payton might become available even thought that was pretty unlikely. As that was playing out, they were interested in Case (‘hot coordinator name’) but they didn’t move fast enough instead with Case deciding to take the Dolphins’ offer in the interim.

      Now they seem like they are trying to figure out what are their best secondary/tertiary options are.

  • DJH

    I have a bad feeling about the Eagles right now. Of course this will sound like typical Philadelphia negativity, but I’m typically pretty neutral if not optimistic.

    There aren’t any slam dunk coaching candidates right. The roster is mediocre to okay. The QB situation is fluid. And there doesn’t look to be any Lucks or Mariotas in the draft.

    Gotta find a coach. Gotta find a QB. (Gotta find a GM.) Or the franchise might be spinning its wheels for next decade. Or worse, slide into Oakland territory.

    • anon

      It’s been spinning it’s wheels for a decade. We’re not oaklandbut we’re texas.

      • ChoTime

        Welcome to the life of most NFL franchises.

  • anon

    Redskins played 4 teams with winning records this year. 0-4, lost to all 4 by at least 2 TDs, combined score 140-64. But… Hope!— Jimmy Kempski (@JimmyKempski) January 11, 2016

    • NoPedersonNoPederson

      #httr lol

    • ChoTime

      We must have actually been better than them!

    • laeagle

      I LIKE THAT

  • anon

    IT'S OFFICIAL: Rob Ryan has been hired as Bills assistant head coach/defense. Details: https://t.co/tdxA3387Wo pic.twitter.com/HNwkImRvHk— Buffalo Bills (@buffalobills) January 11, 2016

    • Insomniac

      Thank god. Now we don’t even have to consider the possibility that he’ll be our next DC.

    • MagSaysWHAAT?

      I wonder how the brothers will get along when one of them is the boss.

    • ChoTime

      Outstanding.

    • BobSmith77

      Nepotism hiring at its finest!

      • A_T_G

        You are only saying that because it is true.

    • Gian GEAGLE

      Wow…. Those poor bills fans

  • RobNE

    I’ve become scared of the hot assistants. I just think it’s a much different job. I see people like Tomlin and I think what does he really do. But I’ve come around to it. At this point I’d actually be disappointed if it’s not Pederson. I have no idea why and can’t support it, but that’s where I am.

    Please no Coughlin. That’s just not a long-term plan. We aren’t Denver a year or two ago.

    • dillinja

      I agree with this to an extent. I’m not blown away by Pederson, but it is also quite common for hot assistants to fail, primarily because what makes a good OC/DC is not necessarily what makes a good head coach. Reason why I don’t really get why people are so enamored by someone like Adam Gase.

      • anon

        I can’t tell if this is 100% true or just what we’re telling ourselves.

    • Anders

      I actually began wondering which hot candidate was the last with great success and the only 1 I can think of is Sean Payton and his teams has been terrible the last couple of years

      • RobNE

        Jon Gruden?

        • Anders

          Jon Gruden was before Sean Payton, but that is like 2 in 15 years? (maybe add Dungy and Holmgreen, but that is still 4 HCs in 15 years, and there is like 5+ new each year)

          • RobNE

            Right so let’s try a different way. Team Peterson.

      • RobNE

        assuming this is true and assuming we think about this less than the folks hiring, why is the hot coordinator always first up for new HC jobs?

  • Pennguino

    Congrats to Lurie and Howie. They have no intention of hiring Doug but they are do the interview as a favor to Reid. It will help get Doug’s name out there maybe next year. The interview process can only help Doug with future interviews.

    They are just doing Andy a solid.

    • NoPedersonNoPederson

      pleasepleasepleaseplease be right

      • Pennguino

        I am trying to lie to myself

        • NoPedersonNoPederson

          right with you brother, thinking of possible name changes after they hire him

          • eagleyankfan

            I don’t understand what you two are talking about. Peterson coached HS to test himself! I doubt any of the other candidates coached a HS for experience!

    • RobNE

      please explain why you have a Pats coordinator as your avatar.

      • Pennguino

        I want him for an interview. Just from what I have read, he sounds like he would be a good HC.

  • Mitchell

    Do you guys like my new avatar? I had to switch with the Chip firing and all. It fits somewhere between bold and terrifying.

    • Insomniac

      Howie next on the list to be fired in 3 years.

      • Mitchell

        Bro, that’s The Fipp.

        • Insomniac

          You’re making it worse!!!

        • Gian GEAGLE

          Up vote for “THE” Fipp…

    • CHRIS – Birds 24/7 FFL Champ

      Fippadelphia Eyegles was my fantasy team name this year..and I won. +1 for avatar

  • MagSaysWHAAT?

    New Head Coach? Good HC already, smart, with NFL ties and experience, highly respected by all? Had been considered before? Even in Philly before. David Shaw.

    • NoPedersonNoPederson

      he doesn’t want to leave stanford, esp not for this garbage

      • MagSaysWHAAT?

        That was a couple of years ago. Isn’t contract about up?He may be ready to try something new. People do, from time to time. Besides, this team is no more garbage than @25 others.

        • NoPedersonNoPederson

          #Stanford coach David Shaw is a top college coaches coveted by @NFL teams. He plans to stay & openings in SF & (likely) Indy won't change it— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) January 4, 2016

        • D3FB

          It’s his alma mater, he already makes good money, Stanford is a pretty sweet place to be, the program is pretty much in cruise control top 25 mode, they are in position to push for a playoff birth every year, they don’t have insane boosters that will fire him if he has one or two meh 7 or 8 win seasons.

          In five years maybe he wants a new challenge, but there’s no amount of money that’s going to get him to leave right now.

    • RobNE

      right and I want Bill Belicheck.

  • iceberg584

    Out of morbid curiosity, I decided to compile a list of active players who have dressed for a game held at Veterans Stadium. Here’s what I came up with:

    Players who played an active role in the game:
    Peyton Manning (with Indy in 2002)
    Charles Woodson (with Oakland in 2001)
    Adam Vinatieri (with NE in 1999)
    Matt Bryant (with NYG in 2002)

    Back-up QBs:
    Matt Hasselbeck (with GB in 2000)
    Drew Brees (with SD in 2001)
    Josh McCown (with Arizona in 2002)

    • Rob Jarratt

      I have to acknowledge your hard work, Iceberg. That’s the kind of inane stuff that I enjoy dredging up. It means something. Of the survivors, three of them are kickers, which should be of no surprise. Additionally, kudos to Charles Woodson, who has absorbed lots of punishment over the years. Of course, he has doled it out, as well.

  • justanotherdummy

    I would gently disagree that the Eagles are not in need of a rebuild. There is great uncertainty at the quarterback position. They have 1 competent offensive lineman, LJ. They have one wide out (who has been playing inside and may not be able win on the outside) and one tight end. They have one excellent defensive lineman. Barwin may be a man without a position next year. Graham is average. Logan only played half a season and disappeared. Hicks and Alonzo cannot stay healthy and Kendricks has a low football IQ and cannot be depended upon. Rowe is young and promising, but no more than that. Maxwell? Jenkins is solid and Thurmond is probably leaving. The front office has at best an image problem and is at worst a toxic environment ruled badly by the teacher’s pet (Roseman) who has run off all of the football guys. This entire train wreck of a season was precipitated by Howie firing Tom Gamble, an act that ended with Chip taking full control of personnel and making poor decisions he possibly would not have made with guidance from football lifer Gamble. This team is not close. There is nothing they do well. The coaching candidates are uninspiring. All they are missing is a 10 year contract for Joe Kuharick and the Kelly green uniforms and it would be 1972 again.

    • D3FB

      1. Fuck Gamble. I don’t understand the love at all. Oh the beats love him and carry all the water for him because of his daddy and he leaked like a broken faucet, so people have a high opinion of him. If he’s so freaking great why has no one ever made him a GM? He’s not a young man. He’s a good scout. That’s it. But so were Anthony Patch and Rick Mueller, but no one whines and cries over Chip firing them.

      2. Yes the team needs to add talent but this isn’t the 2013 Raiders or Jags. I’d prefer to be more patient and take a step back next year to be in a better position moving forward, but this isn’t a full gut job.

      3. The we’re so shit we can’t be good argument is the same one people made after 2012. Now Chip inherited so much talent and that’s the only reason they won.

      4. This team has no QB. Vick can’t stay healthy. Foles didnt do much in his half season of starts. We have no good OL. Peters, Todd, and Kelce are all coming off serious injuries. Mathis was just a flash in the pan. Djax is a one trick pony who doesn’t play hard, Maclin has never had 1000 yard season and neither fight through contact. Shady keeps getting hurt and missing time, he’s not a workhorse back. We have nothing on D. Cole is over the hill. Screw Jason Babin. BG is the biggest bust in the history of the NFL. Curry can’t even get on the field! The DTs are blah. Landri, Cujo and Patt are old and overrated. Cox flashed but isn’t some buidling block player. Ceddy is roster trash. No wonder he was a UDFA he’s shit. Nnamdi and DRC are both gone. Boykin played well in the nickel but nothing crazy. Nate and Kurt are the worst S tandem in the history of the NFL. Ryans is good but he’s pretty old. Kendricks played ok but he wasn’t a great playmaking LB. Matthews and Chaney are attrocious. NO HOPE! WE SUCK!

      • eagleyankfan

        I’m not agreeing 100% with the initial post. All I heard all season was “this team has talent”. It’s again in T-Laws post. My question is — where is the talent? Any team can rebuild in a year – but that always is a cost. If we’re hoping they do this properly, we want to build a successful organization. If they’re building – we’re more than 1 year away. Assume we’re going to build – what talent are we building on? I guess I’m asking who do you think on this team is considered buildable for the future. Cox/LJ/Logan/Rowe and who do you like? (one assumption here is, if they’re building say for 3 years down a road — some veteran players will decline in 3 years – so we can’t count on them as buildable). I don’t think we can count on Huff. JM and Aggie (maybe) and ?

        • D3FB

          Logan, Cox, Lane. Rowe, Hicks, Ertz, JMatt. Kendricks (as a seeball getball WILL) are all surefire locks as building blocks of a corp.

          Kiko, Couplin, Ags, Huff, Sheppard, MSII, Burton all will have a chance of playing themselves into future plans.

          Guys like Curry, Kelce, BG, Barwin, Jenkins may not be in their primes in three years but some of them will still be around, and they also buy you time to fill out other holes (biggest problem w/ Chip wasn’t letting all the talent go it was having to spend so much capital to replace it).

          Plus you’ll have 3 drafts and 3 classes of smart money FA (Jenkins, Carrol, Barwin types)

          • eagleyankfan

            I forgot all about Hicks. Rowe does look promising. Thanks.

          • ChoTime

            That’s pretty weak though.

  • BobSmith77

    Still is really hard to know who the Eagles have pursued rigorously including Gase. Heard reports the Eagles were that interested in him and others that he spurred their interest in a 2nd interview for the Dolphins.

    Ditto on just how interested the Eagles were interested in Harbaugh and Payton too even if they were unrealistic options who were unlikely to be available.

  • unhinged

    Your chronology is selective, imo. Reid hired Jim Johnson to run the defense, a defense that was pretty good, built primarily under Rhodes. While the Reid era was relatively harmonious, it saw a regression, gradual, then wholesale, of the defense. The drafting of McNabb was a major focus, and the prime years of the great Brian Dawkins were spent on a slowly improving offense and a fairly static defense. To me this was the impact of an unexceptional player acquisition trend that has not changed a whole lot since Rhodes was dismissed. My point: the personality and acumen of the HC is important, yes, but maybe even more critical is the HC getting the right players to have a decent chance of success. Jeff Lurie does not seem to place much stock in that particular aspect of FO functioning. He apparently wants way more input from whatever HC he hires than taking the accepted route of getting a strong FO, where talent evaluation is a valued role. Pederson may be good enough, Coughlin may be good enough, but what will it matter if we never find out because the roster wasn’t good enough?

    • GaEagle1023 – Tom

      Yup. (short and sweet)

    • Dave

      I call bullshit! Check out this chart and tell me again how from 1995 to 1998 the defense was pretty good and how it saw regression under the Reid era.

      http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/teams/354/philadelphia-eagles/#Points%20per%20Game$SeasonMax=9999&SeasonMin=1990

      Your post is nothing but uninformed generalization with no factual data to back up your points. But hey, why let the facts get in the way of you showing your displeasure with Lurie and Roseman.

      • ChoTime

        It’s not bullshit. Look at the players and who acquired them.

        • Dave

          “While the Reid era was relatively harmonious, it saw a regression, gradual, then wholesale, of the defense.”

          Yes, it is bullshit. The defense got much better under JJ.

          Provide some facts. You show me all the players brought in prior to Reid and then the players brought in during Reid’s tenure instead of telling me to look it up.

          “Reid hired Jim Johnson to run the defense, a defense that was pretty good, built primarily under Rhodes. While the Reid era was relatively harmonious, it saw a regression, gradual, then wholesale, of the defense.”

          Yup, that was a fairly static defense alright…Bullshit!

          “My point: the personality and acumen of the HC is important, yes, but maybe even more critical is the HC getting the right players to have a decent chance of success. Jeff Lurie does not seem to place much stock in that particular aspect of FO functioning. He apparently wants way more input from whatever HC he hires than taking the accepted route of getting a strong FO, where talent evaluation is a valued role.”

          This is all opinion that Banner and Howie sucked at their jobs. Why don’t you look up the drafts for all the NFL teams over Reids tenure and get back to us detailing how Banner and Roseman did compared to the rest of the NFL. Then again don’t, because I’m sure you compare it to Green Bay, or New England, or Pittsburgh, or another gold standard team instead of actually finding where the Eagles standing is in relation to the other 28 teams.

          • ChoTime

            I think Anders or Jernst made a pretty compelling post showing who drafted who. It showed that Reid’s drafts were not the cornerstones of the the D and that he failed to adequately replace what he found when he took over the team. Perhaps it will be reposted. If not, a cursory look at the draft history should convince you–unless you think like Sean Considine and the succession of 1st round failures are good players.

          • Dave

            Oh, so you’re defense is “somebody else wrote something I agreed with but I don’t have the info myself and don’t want to look it, so you look it up”. thx anyway.

          • ChoTime

            I have to comb through thousands of posts to educate you? Just look at the drafts, it should be self-evident that your graph is going to lag behind player acquisition by several years.

          • Dave

            Answer 1 simple question, did the defense get better, worse, or stay the same under Reid after Rhodes was fired?

            Feel free to reference the chart above so you don’t have to comb through thousands of posts.

          • ChoTime

            It got better–for a period. And that’s the end of the discussion?

          • Dave

            Yeah, a period that lasted for a decade.

          • bill

            It is entertaining to watch you argue against statistics with context – in this scenario.

          • ChoTime

            You’ll notice I never use very simple statistics in my arguments; the ones I used tend to incorporate much more information and context. For example, my favorite, DVOA, measures success on a play-by-play basis, depending on down and distance, and is also defense-modified. Contrast something like yards or even completion%, which correlates very little to winning.

            Here are some players Reid inherited from the previous regime.

            Bobby Taylor

            Brian Dawkins

            Jeremiah Trotter

            William Thomas

            Hugh Douglas (trade)

            Ike Reese

            ND Kalu

            Now look at the defensive players Reid drafted. Clearly, unhinged was correct in that Reid’s player acquisition was poor, and the simplistic PPG chart is shown to be irrelevant. The results JJ and Reid got were achieved with the superior players he inherited. As those players aged and left, they were replaced with inferior ones. He missed on his 1st round picks and failed to get good value from later ones. At the end, he had to fill in the holes with high-priced FA, which hardly ever works. It is unfortunate, and who knows how things might have turned out if he never got full control and was supported by a good talent evaluator.

            http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?type=team&teamId=3700

          • ChoTime

            So…?

      • unhinged

        You can cite your stats and I’ll gladly stick to what you call my “uninformed generalizations”. For me the defense – personnel wise – was never better than when AR took over in 1999. While Jim Johnson was there, there were a few decent picks and signings (Carlos Emmons, Corey Simon, Mike Patterson and Trent Cole) but my point is that those players barely maintained the stature of the defense that Reid inherited. The other-worldly scheming from the brain of Johnson on a weekly basis helped us to forget that the DL could barely get close to a QB without frequent and (in the end) costly blitzing. The defense that went to the SB in 2004 was not as good as the 1999 version in my opinion. And when JJ left us, the pain of a vacuous FO was really evident. And I’m not picking on Reid, I’m just pointing out that a mediocre FO yields mediocre results. When Rhodes was there the offense stagnated. It seems like Lurie keeps looking for an HC who can be a world-class talent evaluator, and the last time I looked, Bill Walsh was not available.

        • Dave

          It’s common knowledge Andy and JJ didn’t value linebackers. The defense was built around JJ’s zone blitz scheme, not the other way around. The FO was very cognizant of the salary cap and the allocation of salaries.

          Taylor, Vincent and Dawk were all young pups when Reid got the team. Lito and Sheldon were excellent pickups to replace Bobby and Troy, were they not? How about Michael Lewis? Quinten Mikkell? Banner/Reid rebuilt a pro bowl secondary with a pro bowl secondary.

          Are your really going to tell me the rebuilt secondary was not excellent?

          Jevon Kearse, Darwin Walker and Cory Simon (in the beginning) were great on the line.

          Were the defenses of the 2000s better than 1999? That’s debatable and I’m not sure it really matters. My point is the talent was similar throughout the late 90s through 2011. There was definitely no great drop off as you indicate.

          This whole post that the Philly FO is bad is predicated on how the D Reid inherited was much better than the one he built. With that I disagree.

          • unhinged

            I don’t have any axe to grind against HR or Joe Banner, or for that matter AR or Jeff Lurie. My central issue is Lurie’s reluctance to go after an up and coming talent evaluator who was groomed to be an executive. Hiring any HC with the expectation that he will have any facility for identifying talent is not what I consider a proactive approach to winning football. I stand by my description of the defense as evidence that there was verrry little mid to late round success in a string of drafts through AR’s time. I grant you my argument is subjective, but no, Sheldon Brown, who was fed his lunch more than once by Plaxico, was not an equivalent CB to Taylor, and Lito, extremely talented and extremely fragile, had nowhere close to Vincent’s value on the team. And yes there was a noticeable drop off between 1999 and the time the first draft was conducted without the input of Jim Johnson. By 2009, that unit’s ship had sailed. Trent Cole was a gem in a gravel pit. Contenders tend to have multiple mid-round starters playing for strong units, and when I consider Seattle’s and Green Bay’s rosters, our cupboard looks noticeably less full.

          • Dave

            I think we can agree to disagree that the talent was replaced on the defense. It’s subjective to everyone’s opinion.

            It’s easy to argue that any team without a franchise QB does not have the same talent level as one that does, since the franchise QB tends to carry their team on their back. A universal assumption in this thread is that because a team has a franchise QB, they have better talent evaluators. I think we can agree to disagree on this too.

            “My central issue is Lurie’s reluctance to go after an
            up and coming talent evaluator who was groomed to be an executive.”

            So you want someone like Howie, just not Howie…and not anyone groomed in Philly. You evidently want someone groomed in Seattle or Green Bay, or groomed from another team that has a franchise QB.

          • unhinged

            Our front office has never cultivated a dynamic franchise-core presence. Howie is a trained lawyer and obviously a quick study, but to expect him to turn his undivided attention to cataloging, grading and regularly revisiting the hundreds of potential game-changers out there, would be to sacrifice his strengths (cap, contracts, NFL pipeline, draft logistics) in the hope that he would grow into a better than average talent evaluator. Howie, as a GM is better than most, in my opinion, but all Lurie has to do is give him a green light to construct a reputable, competent personnel department that becomes a franchise brand. Word was that a search was on for a personnel guy, but if it isn’t somebody that can be relied upon to acquire more keepers, it’s not going to be worth much. Scouts are indispensable, but brilliant talent evaluators are to be snagged and paid to stay.
            If Lurie ever makes this leap, his meticulous searches for the right guy as HC will be of less consequence, I believe, because the franchise personnel will be off the table, and the franchise standards and hierarchy will be clear from the outset. All HC’s get input, but what I consider the top franchises, don’t negotiate administrative roles for their HC position. I think Lurie’s approach hurt Andy Reid AND the franchise, and being challenged by Chip after two encouraging seasons should have had the owner reconsidering his assumptions.

          • Dave

            This is so confusing. You say if Lurie ever makes this leap…he had a GM and Director of Player Personnel in the past. Banner was the GM and Howie was the DPP. Then it was Howie and Rick Mueller.

            Obviously you think Howie is not a football guy. What if I told you Green Bays DPP is also not a football guy either. I guess since his dad was GM and got him a job out if college that makes up for it in your mind.

            Right now Donahoe is temporary but they are looking to hire a permanent Director of Player Personnel, exactly what you are saying, but then you qualify it by saying that if this person can’t be relied upon, it will do no good. Your already negative about it before they even hire someone.

            FYI, they tried to hire Scott Fitterer from Seattle last year. He didn’t want to work under Chip. He wants to be a GM, which is the logical step for a Director of Player Personnel.

            That’s the rub, DPP for other teams want to be a GM. Why would they take a parallel position at the Eagles? If they try to hire a Director of Pro Personnel from another team to be the DPP, then everyone will bitch that when they ultimately wanted Howie’s job, he forced them out.

            I think your giving way too much credit to teams with franchise qbs and way too little credit to Lurie and his staff.

          • unhinged

            Dave, I haven’t looked at QB…at all. When I wrote, “…if this person can’t be relied upon…” I was thinking of the many decent scouts who have been in Jeff Lurie’s employ who are subordinates to HR who is NOT a scout, NOT a talent evaluator of renown, but a power broker, a GM and a big voice in Eagles franchise. All i’m advocating is a quality personnel guy who doesn’t have to answer to HR on the matter of who the best player is, and who’s decisions aren’t ignored or reversed for office politics or ego. I’m not insinuating that HR wants to take credit for others’ talents, but Jeff Lurie’s reliance on “collaboration” is both vague and naive, imo. A personnel guy who the franchise defers to and depends on for shaping the roster is a guy that Lurie does not seem terribly motivated to find. It’s not an average scout, not a run-o-the-mill talent hawk. The best of these folks are wrong half the time, and we have not had the best at NCC ever. I applaud Lurie’s desire to go from good to great, and I thought the hiring of Kelly was a bold and positive step. An established roster shaper in the FO might have pre-empted Kelly’s power grab, and he might still be the HC.

            I agree that the DPP ladder leads to GM position, but that is not written in stone. If Lurie took a chance on a young, possibly cocky, definitely ambitious talent hawk, Lurie gets first dibs if he’s the real deal, and HR doesn’t have to disappear. A DPP can be accorded the status of a GM, with a very narrow, very important purview. The important thing to me is that the roster becomes a top priority, and the administrative aspirations of whatever HC is hired are not nurtured. I give Lurie high marks for bringing a second-rate franchise into the present day. The value of the Eagles franchise has ballooned under his stewardship. I admire his critical eye in finding impressive HC’s. I don’t believe his attention to the roster is on par with his highest priorities. Again, I am not slamming HR, just skeptical that a personnel department manned by the usual suspects will do anything exceptional. If the Eagles were genuinely interested in Fitterer, who looks to be worth giving a shot, it would strike me as indicative of a new-found emphasis. Not saying he’s the man, but just looking for that guy would make my day. The fact that he was not interested in answering to Kelly does not surprise me. No personnel guy worth his salt will be comfortable being overruled by a HC. Howie said over a year ago, that Eagles were interested in emulating Seahawks. That would be fine with me. Pete Carroll has considerable input, but Paul Allen hired John Schneider to build his roster, and the latter was mentored and schooled in player evaluation (Packers) and he has made a difference for Allen. From Chuck Knoll to Bill Cowher the Steelers had a brilliant FO that rarely had to rebuild the roster because of diligent and patient player selection/development. Mike Tomlin is there to coach…period. You’re probably sick of hearing from me, so I’ll put this to bed. Thanks for the dialogue.

          • Dave

            That was a thoughtful response. I guess we’re in the same boat for the time being. Until a new coach is hired and a permanent DPP is brought on board, we’re both in the wishful thinking category.

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  • eagleyankfan

    From reading above, it sounds like people get a chance to coach, fail, then try somewhere else and have a better sense of success. I say bring in Spags. I have nothing to base that on, other then – why not? He has experience (well, if the Rams counts as anything NFL related). He’s coached on a SB winning team.

  • Flyineagle45

    I’ve decided that of all the candidates we are interviewing (no Jackson, McDermott or Roman). I think Shurmur would be our best bet. The players won’t really have to learn a new scheme. Shurmur is prob a mix of himself and the good part of Chip. We really need to get a good 4-3 coach and tweak a few things with the staff. Hopefully we can hit on at least 3 of our picks this year and we could have something decent.

    • Gian GEAGLE

      Thinking Shurmur will be DP’s offensive coordinator since we Probably would want an experienced OC for the first time HC to lean on..
      ..
      I’m expecting a big Eagle reunion… DP as the coach, Shurm as the OC, DUCE staley remaining on the staff…. Hopefully we can end up keeping Fipp and Undlin as well
      ..
      If this plays out, hopefully DP can deliver a quality DC. No idea if there are any defensive assistant coaches in KC that would make good DC’s

  • RobNE

    I thought this was a good article from overthecap. Generally making the point that talent evaluation is different from resource allocation. He mentions Chip got fired because of the latter (though I think his coaching in 2015 also was bad). Really, it’s mistakes in resource allocation that can set the team back for years, so I think when you give someone like Chip that power it has to be a short leash.

    http://overthecap.com/analytics-technocrats-the-distinction-between-player-evaluation-and-resource-allocation/

  • RobNE

    Is anyone worried that Eskin was willing to bet we hire Coughlin? That just makes no sense to me.

    • Anders

      Im happy he is betting on it, because that means its not happening.

    • Gian GEAGLE

      it certainly doesn’t make me feel all warm n Fuzzy inside…. Id prefer not hearing that. Hopefully this is Blowhard Eskin, not well informed Eskin talking…
      ..
      Id like to not have to worry about our HC having a heartattack on the field, but who knows, maybe a change of scenery Re-energizes him.. And any man who wants to stick it to the Giants, the Mara Family and the people of NY is always welcome at my dinner table… .
      ..
      do we really want a coach who’s atrocious clock Management this year had reached boneheaded andy Reid /McNabb levels of ineptitude? Misses the playoffs 6 of the last 7 years…
      ..
      But in fairness to COUGHLIN, it’s absurd that he was fired while GM Reese gets to keep his job. That GM has done a horrible job. When was the last time COUGHLIN had a Defense? When was the last time they had an OL? I’m not saying the old man should keep his job, but how the hell does GM REESE still have a job?

    • D3FB

      Eskin tweeted the night before the Colangelo hiring that the sixers were having a press conference that was going to be about a charity event. In other words the franchise he hates most was making a major move and he had no clue. He doesn’t have shit.

  • Gian GEAGLE

    Tom, change the Title to “Teach me how to Dougie…”

    I’m expecting some silly reunion tryng to “recapture the magic”..
    ..
    Howie as The GM with the silly title
    .
    Doug P as the HC
    .
    Shurmur as the OC.. Like chip Kelly, first time HC Doug P will probably need an experienced OC to lean on, and his experience with bradford who we would be foolish to łet get away
    .
    DUCE as the ??? RB coach? Might want a different coaching job to build his resume and work his way up the coaching ranks?

    Hopefully we can also retain Undlin and coach Fipp..
    ..
    Be nice if KC had some quality defensive assistant Dougie can bring over and elevate to DC? Not familiar with Suttons KC staff…
    ..
    if a HC ISNT announced by the end of Saturday, would it then be safe to assume that they are just waiting for KC to lose to announce the hiring?

    Doug P hiring DOESNT excite me either, I understand,.. But if he happens to be named HC, hopefully philly gives him a chance and doesn’t visciously rip the hiring immediately… Lol I can see it now, the coaching equivalent of Booooing McNabb on draft night lol

    • anon

      it’s interesting, i actually don’t think they want to change much, just get rid of chip. You almost might as well elevate Pat and get a good OC/DC combo.

      • Gian GEAGLE

        I’m fine with that, simply because I don’t think we need to rebuild. There is a lot of good in place, hopefully the next coach puts more playërs like Murray in a better position to succeed than Chip Did who was married to offensive principles that might have not been a fit for all our players

        • anon

          most coahces expand playbook and what they do year after year chip seemed to contract. 3 qbs in 3 years will do that for you though.

  • Gian GEAGLE

    Wonder if the Vikings would give up something for Caleb Sturgis? lol “LACES OUT MARINO!!!!”-Ray Finkle/Einhorn

    Curious to see if HOWIE can orchestrate some solid trades since there are always good players who no longer fit because of a coaching chamge.
    ..
    Kiko, Bradford, Maxwell, playërs chip added still have a chance to become quality Eagles… Chips player eveluations weren’t all bad, but it’s probably fair to say that even when his evaluations were correct, he did a poor job respecting Value…. With HOWIE back in charge, if we trade away talent, there’s a good chance Roseman will make sure we get proper value in return. WE CAN count on drafting playërs in the appropriate rounds, gone are the days of wanting to draft Ducks two rounds earlier than we needed to.,, gone are the bad contracts, HOWIE worked hard to reshape his reputation and recently became known for doing good business, getting deals done with agents.even when he pays big money, the contract is usually written in the most team friendly way possible…. So with HOWIE back in charge, hopefully he is able to land us some fair value in trades, renegotiate some of these contracts, Amd make sure we retain our free agents… HOWIE will probably clean up our Cap a bit, fortunately chip didn’t have time to do too much damage to our Cap…. Guys like Cooper won’t be getting paid 3 times what they are worth…… There is a lot of good that RosemaN is capable of as GM. It’s not all bad, not even close…

  • RobNE

    I was listening to Boston sports radio the other day and they had someone (forget who) on who was talking about how Matt Patricia was openly aggressively rude to the press during press conferences after he got bumped up to DC. They were talking about how he and McDaniels (and how he failed in Denver) seem to learn this from Belicheck but if you go out on your own you can’t act like a d$ck without earning it by winning, and if you do people are going to be looking to cut you down.

    This is interesting b/c as we walk about things like why hire from Reid’s tree, this makes more sense. I don’t know why other Pats coordinators have not done well at HC and I’m not saying it’s because they don’t have people skills, but there is something to this. If you aren’t a wizard like Belicheck you need some people skills.

  • Gian GEAGLE

    This next year is going to be fascinating for eagle fans, I have so many questions that a coaching chamge can answer… After a horrible 7 win season, I never imagined this offseason would be so exciting..
    ..
    I’m curious to see which players were being held back by the Chip regime/schemes and end up Flourishing because of this coaching change?
    ..
    I’m really interested in finding out what our defenders look like without the extra pressure chips offense often put on their backs…. The first half of this season, our Defense was playimg some pretty good ball, carrying the rest of the team since Both the Offense and ST struggled early in the year, and then midway thru the season, what was a quality Dfense completely collapsed and imploded… What caused the defensive nose dive? Easy answer is Hicks got injured, but I doubt he was the cause of such a drastic difference in play.. Many of speculated that chip kelly wore down the defense, and when you tally the minutes, the Defense was on the field for a total of 3 entire games more than the offense which is insane… Maybe guys can endure it one year, but we have defendwrs who have been accumulating all these extra snaps for 2 or 3 years , that has to add up and take its toll..

    Very curious to find out how different our defenders will look, now that chip has been removed from the equation.. Hopefully we are able to upgrade a few of the defensive positipn coaches.. I’m sure there will be be some players that no longer fit because of the changes, but there should bene playërs who flourish because of the changes..
    ..
    I also like that a coaching change shakes things up, players who got comfortabke and maybe complacent to an extent because theyhave been starters for years, now will have to step up, compete and earn their jobs again because of the coaching change… We could also see guys who were down because they have been BURRIED in Chips dog house for too long, find a new level of excitement knowing they are getting a clean slate to compete for playing time and starting spots… I’m very curious to see what this coaching change does for Maaaaaaaarcus Daaaaaaarling. The kid is a heckuva athlete and he is approaching his 3rd offseason of bulking up and adding the neccessary power he lacked. I wouldn’t be surprised if he consistentky contributes on defense next year which WOULDNT reflect too well on chip.
    ..
    Guys like Kendricks and KIko better put in the work and compete, because they will have to compete with a hungry jordan Hicks and prove to new coaches that they deserve to keep their spots
    ..
    The next 365 days should be interesting times in Eagle Nation… Hopefully it proves to be a good type of interesting

    • anon

      sometimes i forget that we still pulled out 7 games, beating Jets, NE, Bills, it’s not like we had a 4 win season.

  • ThatNed

    Andy Reid never win the big one, refused to adapt and adjust, generally drafted like crap and almost always had a team that was near the league high in penalties – so let’s go with one of his disciples 4 years after we fire Reid (who arguably should have been fired 3-4 years prior). BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Ark87

      Relax, we can’t even hire him, because those coaches are in the playoffs…again

      There will be plenty of other interviews.

    • RobNE

      do you make up user names and argue for both sides of things?

      • A_T_G

        Imagine this scenario:

        Your entire shtick is making fun of the organization and pointing out the stupidity in their every action. All reports make it seem as if someone will get the coaching job, so you call that stupid and put forth a name that isn’t even scheduled for an interview as the obvious smart choice.

        Now, imagine your impending dread as it begins to appear as if the person you suggested might actually get the job. What will you do? Supporting the organization is out of the question. Making fun of the guy you supported, the disciple of the God-figure in your narrative, is out of the question.

        The smart thing to do is to introduce another personality, an alter-ego to the current persona, and the latest in a long line. This is just well-planned psychosis.

        • laeagle

          …and as good an excuse for IP-based banning as one could imagine.

          • Ark87

            I’m a little rusty on my IT, but does that work? I thought most IP addresses are not static

          • laeagle

            It’s not guaranteed, but most people’s ISPs provide them with at least a semi-static IP (it CAN change but usually doesn’t). But it varies. One more line of defense against psychotic children.

          • oreofestar

            Who is this guy anyway?

          • RobNE

            It’s the troll

          • Ark87

            true, I fell into the binary argument, “oh it doesn’t work every time so it’s pointless!” that you see so much in public debate these days.

          • Joe Minx

            Seriously. Tommy, we’re begging you here. The only thing worse than the way this season went was having to endure this here.

          • RobNE

            I’ve never seen him address this.

      • myartz04

        I just wonder if he thinks no one can tell? I don’t know about you but I can read one sentence from this clown and I know it’s him regardless of his screen name.

    • Fufina

      Andy is a very good football coach – he sustained long term success with the Eagles (very hard) and has done well with the Chiefs in a very tough division with one of the top 3 teams in the NFL with the Broncos.

      He never won the ring, but frankly he has never had a truly great QB (McNabb was good QB, never a great one). Eagles were right to move on and try something fresh – organisation and Andy needed a change.

      But please get over Andy being some kind of awful Coach… he wasn’t.

      • anon

        might be better second time around. not an awful coach, but drafting has been poor for a decade, defense has regressed for a decade plus.

        • Fufina

          Hard to draft consistently for any organisation, especially if you sit at the bottom of the draft consistently.

          Look at the Ravens… great coach, and even better GM and yet they are struggling to replace great players and the overall quality of the roster is declining.

          The reality is that it is a lot easier to find Calvin Johnsons, Julio Jones’ and AJ Greens in the top 10 of the draft than it is to hit on the Antonio Browns.

          And teams need those special superstar players to create space for their lesser talents.

  • Ark87

    I don’t really see any candidate with a strong case to suggest they are the next great coach. Not saying there won’t be one out there that will be great. But you can pretty much draw a name out of a hat at this point and have equal reservations about them and equal chance to be successful in my mind.

    • peteike

      absolutely, I just want them to interview some D guys. It may just happen if they have to wait now. Who knows, maybe Bevel gets one too.

      • anon

        Seattle’s offense seems pretty basic. A ton of ineffective run plays and then have tyler lockett run go routes against dbs that are generally slower than him. Toss it up, TD or penalty.

        Bootleg, bring a receiver across the formation.

        Scramble hope a receiver comes free as people watch RW do his thing.

        Make questionable grounding passes on 10+% of plays.

        Defense constantly keeps game in reach and gives you good field position.

        • peteike

          generally thats their MO but second half of season they were more than that. Looked pretty good but hes the same as so many coordinators, pick your team. I could make arguments against all of them based on their teams play except maybe Josh McD

    • A_T_G

      The team should create a contest with all entry fees going to charity. The winner gets to coach the team for a season. Using this idea, we could probably list the salaries for the season as charitable donation, thus allowing us a great deal of flexibility in contract negotiations.

      • Ark87

        I’ve been an advocate of a coaching combine and draft for years. Get all the candidates out there getting measured, running cones, blowing whistles, and shouting. Owners on the side taking notes.

        • A_T_G

          I can understand the uphill battle you must face in this quest. The mental image of Andy Reid, Rob Ryan, and Tom Coughlin in their underwear running drills is a tough sell.

          • Ark87

            You mean the main draw???

      • RobNE

        We would all submit our own names too, naturally

        • A_T_G

          Naturally.

          So who’s on first? Naturally.

          • botto

            Surely you can’t be serious

  • HawaiianEagle

    Don’t know if this has been discussed and I can’t (almost) believe I am saying it but, was heath Evans correct about Chip? Worst coaching hire ever?

    • Fufina

      Obviously not.

      I mean we won 27 of 49 games and drafted decently so how can he be the worst ever? or even a bad one?

      • Bert’s Bells

        Agree. He didn’t work out, but in terms of a “high risk/high reward” hire we all thought he’d be -Chip was surprisingly middle of the road.

        • bill

          I think if he would have had one more year, he’d have deviated one way or the other; either his rebuild on the fly would have been clearly successful, or the team would have imploded. Apparently, Lurie concluded that option b was far more likely.

          • Bert’s Bells

            Good point.

            I do think he’ll succeed in his next NFL gig. The Eagles were his first wife.

          • Fufina

            I think it is hard to demand super high standards, get people to commit 100% on and off the field and then take a backwards step with no real results after 3 years.

            Chip needed to win and win fast to allow his approach legitimacy otherwise he was always destined to be undermined.

            I also think he needed to learn to replace players before throwing away talent – and not just freshly drafted players but guys who have actually shown something in the league.

          • anon

            He went all Bill B, and that doesn’t work unless you’re winning. See most of Bill B’s coaching tree.

    • myartz04

      Jim Tomsula?

    • ChoTime

      Nah. Just another run-of-the-mill run like those most coaches have. Not up to the expectations that were set in the 2000s.

    • anon

      Chip failed b/c of personality and ability to change, but i think he did a lot of good also for the team, sports science / analytics.

    • laeagle

      FUCK no. FUCK no.

      The worst thing about Chip’s firing is watching that buffoon’s camel-toe-face smile as he pats himself on the back about how correct he was.

      First, “worst coaching hire ever”? Please, does this even need addressing? Chip had a winning overall record. The fact that every year there are far worse coaches who only last a year is enough to show how much of a horse’s ass Evans is. If he had simply said, “this will be a bad coaching hire”, it would have been OK. But of course, he didn’t, and now he’s trying to act like his statement was correct.

      Second, a predominant part of his beef with Kelly was that he didn’t use a fullback. Quick, name 7 teams in the league that have a fullback signed to their active roster. Chip is not alone in this; it’s the way the league has been trending for some time. To act like that’s a unique fault in Kelly’s system is moronic and hysterically transparent.

      Third, NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THE REASONS HE GAVE FOR WHY HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH CHIP’s FIRING. This cannot be stressed enough. Typical bullshit claims about “gimmick offense”, “tempo”, “college”, etc. have been proven wrong by many in the weeks since Chip’s firing. His offense wasn’t “figured out”, and that had nothing to do with his firing. He was fired because of his personality and the way he interacted with players and other members of the organization. NOTHING Evans said 3 years ago even remotely hinted at this being a problem. Because no one else had any idea. NO ONE. NOT A SINGLE REPORTER mentioned this as an issue. But, of course, even though none of the reasons Evans gave for why Chip was a bad hire was even remotely accurate, he continues to act like he’s Madam Fucking Zola.

      I don’t know if it’s clear or not, but I think that Heath Evans was wrong.

      • ChoTime

        Could you please clarify your position RE Heath Evans? *ducks*

  • Greg Richards

    If the Lions let Caldwell go, Eagles need to take a look. Look at his record. 14-2, 10-6, and 2-14 with Indy. That last year, Manning was hurt, and the owner admitted he intentionally tanked. He was the QBs coach and offensive coordinator with Baltimore and Flacco had his best season and they won the Super Bowl. He was 11-5 his first season with Detroit. Last year, they started off slow and then finished 6-2. Would have finished 7-1 if not for a fluke Hail Mary.

    • peteike

      ooh interesting, I like it

    • RobNE

      Nfl needs a lottery. That was so obvious when colts did that.

    • eagleyankfan

      Why would they let him go? Are they thinking about it?

      • laeagle

        He’s meeting with the Lions brass this morning, including new GM Bob Quinn. Supposedly it doesn’t look good for him.

  • Baloophi

    R.I.P David Bowie

    • ChoTime

      A shame, he was a great pop star. RIP.

    • laeagle

      Heard that late last night while trolling Twitter for coaching news. We lost a good one.

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  • RC5000

    Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

    Giants officially submitted request to interview Bengals OC Hue Jackson, per source.

    • laeagle

      That’s actually a great landing place for Hue. Veteran QBs are his preference, from what I’ve seen. This is the guy who traded for Palmer back when he was with Oakland. And it’s one of the highest profile coaching jobs in the league.

  • Ark87

    yikes, the Chief’s haven’t won a playoff game since 1993?? Andy is probably a pretty popular dude in that city today.

    • laeagle

      There was a great quote from the announcer that they played on NFL radio this morning. I’m paraphrasing, but it was something like:

      “The big red coach with the big red mustache has saved us from 8,027 days in the wilderness without a playoff win!”

    • peteike

      did you see that guy holding up the sign…in Houston. Hilarious, just had that date and place.

    • botto

      not doug Pederson?

      • Ark87

        We hear so much about how terrible Andy and Doug are, it’s all the D.

        Why isn’t Bob Sutton a guy people talk about? Seems intriguing.

        • botto

          I was thinking the same thing. the defense is what’s good

          • Ark87

            Andy’s strength is really hiring coaches and running an organization. His coaching tree is really impressive. Seems to hire talented assistants and show them how to run a team.

            Schematically, play calling, clock management…in game he just isn’t that great.

          • Fufina

            Like Andy always did when he was successful, he invests resources in defense and hopes scheme and coaching will get enough done on offense.

            Offensively they have Maclin and Kelce and thats pretty much it weapons wise.. an average OL and a non top 10 QB.

        • peteike

          that staff walked into a pretty solid D from the start but ya, fair point

          • ACViking

            Kelly walked into a pretty good offense . . . then blew it up.

          • peteike

            enh, not quite the same there in terms of pieces, esp QB

          • ACViking

            Kelly started 9 holdovers on offense, including 4 o-linemen and not including Maclin.

            Eagles finished 2nd in total offense.

            While KC’s defense finished 24th.

        • anon

          Defense has a TON of talent on it. What makes it good is that they were able to draft a bunch of great pass rushers. We haven’t been able to draft one since T. Cole, that was like 20 years ago and we don’t have anyone that’s good enough at scheming pass rush from other positions on a consistent basis.

          • Ark87

            Big Red even hit on a CB, that hasn’t happened since…2002?

          • anon

            Nope, but i think better pass rush would make corners look better. But drafting of DBs has obviously been terrible.

    • Gian GEAGLE

      He is a Super Bowl win away from instantly becoming a hall of fame coach

      • Ark87

        agreed

      • botto

        me too

  • Johnnydeagle

    These lines from your article here are why I’d like to see Pat Shurmur get a second chance. “Generally, though, you are better off finding someone who failed in his previous stop. The guy learns from his mistakes, but hasn’t peaked. Bill Belichick and Pete Carroll are the best examples of this”.
    RIP David Bowie:(

    • Gian GEAGLE

      Id be happy to see Shurm get a chance, but my best guess is that they will hire Doug P and keep Shurmur on as his Offensive Coordinator..
      ..
      But who the hell knows what they really have in mind… Id like to see Shurm get a chance, but as long as he remains on the coaching staff, I’ll be happy

    • ACViking

      Maybe. But on the other hand . . . .

      In Cleveland, Belichick’s defenses improved from 18, 14, 12, 7 (plus 1st in scoring). The problems there were on the offensive side — no QB.

      And Carroll? Before Seattle, he was an NFL head coach for 4 seasons –making 2 playoff appearances, winning 1 division title, only one losing record.

      Shurmur’s Cleveland teams showed little improvement offensively and were terrible overall. Also, the teams he coached as the true offensive coordinator never finish above 25th. (The Eagle regressed from 2 to 5 to 12 in offense — which I put on Kelly.)

      As for hiring Shurmur to attract Bradford . . . Derek at Igglesblog showed that Bradford’s 6-game run at season’s end was only the 24th best 6-game run — using QB rating — in the NFL this season.
      http://www.igglesblog.com/iggles_blog/2015/12/index.html

      And Bradford’s 94.9 stretch was almost 50% below the best 6-game run and 25% below than the 10th best.

      Not sure what it all means for Lurie and Roseman.

      • anon

        Guys playing well have had continuinity in systems and haven’t been out of football for the better part of 2 years and guys like Hoyer have had good receivers making good catches. Aside from 27/2 and the Mike Vick magic season (both times we couldn’t muster a playoff win) it’s been the best Qb’ing we’ve seen since the mid aughts.

        But i’m sure these are the conversations being had in Novacare (and presumably with Condon).

        • ACViking

          That’s the Bradford narrative. No question.

          Even so, 50% is a big difference.

          But it’s not worth battling over.

          Roseman’s done the analysis. He knows what he’s willing to pay, assuming the new HC wants Bradford.

          • RobNE

            I have tons more faith in Howie handling this well than Chip. TONS. Like Chip just says we aren’t re-signing him and we won’t tag him b/c we want people that want to play here (his Mathis excuse).

          • anon

            he really was an ass. Gotta wonder if he was always that way or if that was a product of his meteoric rise through the ranks.

          • anon

            Pre-chip Shurmur is unappealing, but a Chip/Shurmur merging could be ok. Not sure if shurmur is the type of guy that “has ideas”, but hopefully he can find people that do.

        • ACViking

          Anon:

          I was more focused on Shurmur.

          My thoughts on Bradford are, the market’s pretty lean (drafting aside) — so serious thought has to be given to bringing him back, whoever the HC is.

          Can’t force Bradford. But try, at least.

      • FairOaks

        Shurmur had a much rawer deal in Cleveland than did Belichik — and only got two years to fix it. And he had Colt McCoy as QB, and in the second year Trent Richardson and Brandon Weeden were the big “fixes”. Hard to extrapolate much — though there is nothing to hang your hat on.

        Belichik may have “failed” in Cleveland, but I doubt he thinks so. The team definitely was getting better, and went 10-6 in his second-to-last season. The next year, the team announced they were moving to Baltimore, and I don’t think anyone could have coached through that.

        The Igglesblog analysis is interesting, but…. Bradford is in a new system, and had been away from the game for 1.5 years. If that was say, a peak stretch in the middle of the season, I wouldn’t be nearly so gung-ho for him. That analysis was done before the last game, so if you increase it to a 7-game stretch, and include Bradford’s last game, he probably climbs on that list. Hoyer, as another example, was best at the beginning of the season and got worse. If so, then that is probably his peak performance on a good streak, but he’s not as good as the weather got colder etc. Bradford was the exact opposite. Basically, I’m hoping that this last stretch was indicative of Bradford’s basic level of performance and he could streak higher (like the good QBs on Derek’s list). Given that he seemed to be improving through the end of the season, we’re not even sure this is his base. That’s part of projection — how good could he be. He passes the eye test, and I think could do the things Carson Palmer is doing, at some point. He was consistently good (and getting better) over the last seven games. There is no easy way to statistically adjust for shaking off the rust and getting more comfortable in a new system, other than taking the last seven games and extrapolating a full season — and even that may underestimate for Bradford. Of the QBs ahead of Bradford in Derek’s list, only Mariota and Fitzpatrick were in a new system, and they did not end the year on an upswing. It is a tough decision, and it’s hard to make statistical arguments on only 7 games worth of decent play.

  • Gian GEAGLE

    Funny how Desean is always crying about wanting to be paid, yet he almost always fails to do his job in the playoffs…. Come January, Desean goes all David Blane and does his famous dissapearing act….it never fails…
    ,.
    Waitresses and waiters across the del valley need to be on Alert, Shady is in Philly these days… He wore a Cavs hat the the Sixers vs Cavs game last night
    ..
    Jordan Reed is a heckuva weapon and will be a thorn in our side as long as his concussion history will allow him to be,., The kid is Legit, he is no fraud, but come on, if we throw the ball to Zack ERTZ 17 times, Ertz will have a big game too…
    ..
    Kirk Cousins, Has NEVER, I repeat NEVER beaten a team that finished the year with a record BETTER than 8-8…. I got a kick out of Randall Cobb shouting “you like that” after they eliminated Chris baker and his trashy disgusting skins
    ..
    I feel so sorry for Bengals fans…. Allowing Marvin Lewis to remain the head coach is absurd. What in the world does this man have to do to get Fired? 0-7 in the playoffs, with the most recent loss being a complete disgrace, where his team melted down and he failed miserably to keep his troops under control… If Mavin Lewis doesmt deserve to be fired, who does? I’m baffled at how this man is allowed to keep his job….
    ..
    Wonder if the poor Vikings would give up something for Storming Sturgis?

    • anon

      No but they might give something for the magic man John Derembos

      • TypicalDouche

        From watching the game I would say the onus goes on the holder. The missed kick was the 3rd time that game where he kept the laces in. Blair Walsh, even with that miss, is a good kicker.

        • peteike

          Walsh even said it wasnt the holders fault, apparently laces has more to do with distance than trajectory. Also weather, that cold, dont want to make a mistake, just catch snap and get it down. Thats a chip shot. Other vikes fans were saying they wont blame the only guy that scored for their team that day but I dont buy that. Not like he was hitting 50 yders all day and they get the ball all the way down there against a great D and miss, oof.

          • TypicalDouche

            Well did you really expect Walsh to throw his holder and buddy the punter directly under the bus? I wouldn’t expect that all. I completely respect the way he took responsibility for the miss. I agree with the fans to an extent, hard to blame the only guy that scored for you but also hard not to blame him for missing a chip shot.

          • RobNE

            Lace is about feel. When it’s zero degrees out the ball is a rock and feel is likely even more important.

          • peteike

            ya Im not excusing it, just pointing out what I read. I couldnt believe he did it twice. You gotta be calm in those situations and do your thing, major fail. They also didnt line it up to center it I read

        • RobNE

          how does he do it 3 freakin times in one game. You’d think after 1 or 2 he’d say ok this time I’ll do it right.

          • anon

            especially to win the game.

          • RobNE

            love that the kicker stood and took all the blame and even tried to absolve his holder. Watch, his reward will be not being on the Vikings next year.

          • anon

            Perfectly willing to trade sturgis for a 7th.

    • RobNE

      If Dalton doesn’t get hurt, they are likely the # 1 seed. I don’t think you let one game change the course of the team and fire the coach.

      • Gian GEAGLE

        I’m not basing it off one game….. I’m basing it on the 7 playoff losses out of 7 playoff games…
        ..
        Losimg a playoff game to the steelers is one thing, but to lose because you couldnt control your playets is pretty DAMNING… Playërs aren’t dumb, im sure most knew that going into that game, there was a ton of pressure on marvin to win, and they still acted like a bunch of idiots.. And I’m not talking about a few 3rd string players, im talkimg CAPTAINS like Burfict..
        ..
        Watching the Bengals, I was reminded of the Undiscaplined joke of a Bills team that Embarressed themselves in Philly under Rex Ryan, and COUGHLIN not being able to control ODB…. If the bengals plays a great game and lost, THATS one thing… But to lose because your team showed the lack of discapline, is a very DAMNING sign. how can you maintain your job and call yourself a leader of men, when you lost contol of your team at such a critical moment…

        This loss alone, doesn’t warrant a man losing his job…. But Rob, you can’t sit here and tell me you would be supporting the,coach of the Eagles if he was given 12″friggin YEARS and couldnt deliver a singke playoff win… 7 times this man had a playpff team, and he couldn’t win a single time…. We would burn Novacare to the ground if Lurie tried to bring back a coach for his 13th yeàr who can’t deliver a single playoff win…. We would NEVER NEVER NEVER stand for that in Philly… Andy Reid had to win a bunch of playoff games, make multiple Championsjip games and one Super Bowl appearence to get 14 years in Philly… Marvin Lewis HASNT even accomplished a fraction of ANDYs success, yet he is going to get a 13th season as coach?
        ..
        You know I bleed midnight green, I love my Eagles no matter how long I have to wait for a Super Bowl. I will NEVER be a frontrunning fan, But DEAD SERIOUS, if you give our HC 13 seasons without a Single playoff win, THATS serious enough to the point that I don’t know if I could continue to be an Eagles fan. To me that would be like the Owner spitting in our face… I really feel sorry for Bengal fans. It baffles my mind, and we wouldn’t Allow HALF of his failures in this city łet alome 13 years

        • RobNE

          right right 12 years no playoff wins is kind of all you need to say. But I’m just torn, they seem soooo close this year and just had a fluke thumb injury. I’m not sure what I would do, but I get it.

          • anon

            I’m going to say look at GS, fired coach that built the team, new coach (1st time coach), dynasty level. Denver has fired winning coaches as well, might be that time.

    • GENETiC-FREAK

      Is it DJaxs fault or the QBs fault? People preach its a team sport but always go back to the individuals when things go wrong.. If one player is being targeted thats when other need to step up

      • Dude

        DJax was getting blanketed by double coverage all night, but his routes were pure garbage. Lazy slow cuts, no explosion off the line. It looked like he knew when he was carrying 2 defenders and just gave up on those plays.

  • Gian GEAGLE

    Hiring Doug P would basically be the Eagles version of Jason Garrett or kubiak… Maybe he goes on to become the next successful coach to come from Andys coaching tree? Never know…
    ..
    If we want a good laugh, turn on the radio. All the people who spent the entire season calling for chips head, are now worrying that we fired chip to soon because of all the “underwhelming” candidates as if anyone has the slightest clue which of these candidates will end up failing, and which will turn out to be a great HC..
    ..
    Just because the media isn’t educated enough to be excited by these candidates, doesn’t mean we womt be able to land a better coach than Chip. People wanted chip fired, only one candidate (Gase) is off the market, yet now people are worrying if they were wrong to spend months demanding Chip be fired? Lol gotta love philly
    ..
    Hopefully we Keep Shurmur in Philly so we can keep the best of chips ideas in place,

    • anon

      Interesting that we said we fired chip to get a start on the hc situation but looks like we may go a couple weeks before making a hire and no one looks SO qualified that you needed to make an early move.

      I think they fired chip to give Shurmur a look for a week, but still.

      Also, can’t listen to fans / media, obviously.

      • Gian GEAGLE

        Makes me think there was a lot of emotion behind the firing, and that there was a meltdown behind closed doors that day with LURIE and Chip meeting. Maybe LURIE went into that meeting thinking he would probably Fire chip at the end of the year, but I Thiink Chips snarky mouth said something that infuriated LURIE to the point that LURIE couldnt stand letting him coach his team one more minute… I think some type of argument had to happen for Chip to be fired on a Tuesday, if not, he would have been fired Sunday night after the skins game, or the next day (Monday)… To fire him on Tuesday, the first coach LURIE didnt respect enough to let him finish the year as coach, and more DAMNING is that LURIE DIDNT even allow Chip to address his players on his way out… heck Chip didn’t even get a chance to tell Shurmur that he had been fired, Shurmur learned from LURIE… Chip had to say something stupid for everything to go down the way it did… Hopefully one day the true story gets leaked..

        But I’m certainly not seeing this “advantage” that LURIE claimed we would get from firing chip a week early.. We were first in line to talk to Gase, but I don’t see anything else that we got out of firing chip a week ahead of all the other coaches that got fired….. I haven’t even heard any news about them interviewing candidates to replace Marynowitz yet

        • RobNE

          definitely something was said. Maybe Chip said it wasn’t a bad year we just need to execute better and we are right there. I’d love to know what it was.

          • RobNE

            I’m just guessing the comment was along the lines of not being humble enough about how the GM’ing and coaching had gone this year.

          • ACViking

            RNE:

            Someone in the media put out the “Kelly denied he was GM” as a real ass-burner for Lurie.

            May have actually been well sourced.

          • RobNE

            that would piss me off too.

        • jaws80

          it had to be a falling out. it is way too disrespectful to a coach to fire on a tuesday before the last game, to not be a falling out situation.

          But I also see the wisdom to what Lurie said about wanting the time to be able to talk to the players before they all left for the offseason – one on one and as a group. I think he addressed them as a group the day after chip was fired. He likely wanted them to know he was as pissed off at Chip as they were, that they were going to go back to being a family, and spin things so players will go off to a more positive offseason thinking things will go back to the way they were before Chip.

          • P_P_K

            Well stated.

          • anon

            Well they announced it right away instead of doing things the right way and Lurie basically shat on him with the “we wish him best in the future” or whatever standard line they give when someone is fired.

          • Gian GEAGLE

            Id agree with that… Hopefully details of true story eventually leak

  • anon

    Bradford 2015: 346/532 (65%), 3725 (7 y/a), 19 TD/14 INT, 84.6 rtg With 0 drops: 404/532 (75.9%), 4318 (8.1 y/a), 22 TD/12 INT, 103.6 rtg— Brandon Lee Gowton (@BrandonGowton) January 11, 2016

    • anon

      why he went to zero drops instead of the blended average drop %, i don’t know, but numbers look respectable for 13.5 games, especially considering the way he started the season.

      58 dropped balls. In my whole life i’ve only had 2.

      • Fufina

        And bradford has always had high numbers of drops… consistently every year he has been in the league. At some point he has to take some part of the blame.

        • Dave

          I agree and think Bradford needs to take part of the blame for offensive fumbles too!

        • P_P_K

          At the beginning of the year it seemed like every pass Sam threw was a missle. The last six games, or so, he had more of a touch on the ball.

          • Dude

            McNabb was known for throwing misses too, but he never had drop numbers like this. This is on the receivers, plain and simple.

          • P_P_K

            I positively agree with you. i didn’t make my point well, which was, Bradford continued to improve and the wrs continued to drop the ball.

      • P_P_K

        Yea, but you weren’t being chased by 300lb D-linemen.

    • RobNE

      but no one has zero drops.

      • ACViking

        And that even with the ridiculous stick-’em gloves that NFL players wear today?

    • ChoTime

      Where is he getting 58 drops? The following 3 websites say 35 and that does not account for whatever drops happened during Mark Sanchez 2+ games.

      If 35 is correct, the comp. % goes to 72%, Y/A

      How the heck does he got 600 extra yards by eliminating the drops? How would you know or measure how many extra yards he would get? If you just eliminated 35 attempts, Y/A would be 7.5, still meh.

      This website says 35, for example. http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-receiver-drops-percentage/2015/

      This also has 35. http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?range=NFL&type=Receiving&rank=232

      As does this: http://hosted.stats.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=232

      • Dave

        Brandon Lee Gowton of Bleeding Green Nation states that he watched every pass this year and considers PFFs number to be low. BGN has learned you can’t be a click-bait website unless you sensational the headline and make up your own data.

      • Media Mike

        “Where is he getting 58 drops?”

        Watching the 13.5 games from Bradford and counting in a more accurate manner than the official 35.

    • Gian GEAGLE

      I wanna go back and watch all his INTs and really find out which were his fault, like the terrible INT he threw in the endzone early in the Saints game, and which INTs were caused by our pass catching skill players ..
      ..
      Id also like to know the count for how many drops OCCURED on 3rd down or would be TD’s.
      ..
      It was Cool to hear how passionate and how strongly Jordan Mathews and ERTZ feel about the importance of bringing Sammy boy back as our leader to build around

  • RobNE

    is Coughlin interview done or did they take a nap break?

    • Ark87

      he showed up on time, which is late, so Lurie didn’t hire him 🙁

      • ACViking

        Lombardi time!

      • RobNE

        no on time is 5 minutes early. Did I miss the joke?

        • Ark87

          we’ve ventured into “who’s on first” territory.
          Clarify:
          “he showed up (at the appointed time), which is late…”

          a reference to Coughlin infamously taking disciplinary action on players who didn’t arrive 5 minutes early.

          • RobNE

            got it thanks

    • Fufina

      I have a weird premonition that he will end up our WR/assistant HC with McAdoo as HC. Think he still wants to be involved with football but i think with age and his achievements something not quite as involved as HC makes sense for everyone… and he is still able to stick it to the Giants.

      • RobNE

        WR? well he can’t be worse than Cooper.

    • Gian GEAGLE

      if they hire COUGHLIN, it will be a crazy offseason

      • Ark87

        This team would provide no shortage of Coughlin gifs, he might actually die on our sideline.

  • bluto

    I’m most interested in McDaniels and unsure of why he’s not getting more attention. He’s turned Edelman, Amendola and Dion Lewis into key offensive components. He runs the tempo offense, he has experience with Bradford and he’s been a HC before, so he knows what it entails.
    Some may say Kelly will play down the position, but Reid obviously played it’s upside to Pederson and Reid and Belichick are more than friendly.
    I like the idea of taking someone who has failed and learned. Why I think Kelly could be quite good his 2nd time around…

    • FairOaks

      I think teams are wary about Belichik assistants coaching 1) without Belichik, and 2) without Brady. Track record is not good.

    • ACViking

      McDaniel publicly said he wouldn’t do any interviews during the bye week — despite, it’s reported, a fair bit of interest.
      http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/01/08/josh-mcdaniels-not-scheduled-for-any-interviews-this-weekend/

      That eliminated him as a candidate until the Pats lose.

      • RobNE

        who does that? someone who knows they shouldn’t leave.

        • Dave

          On top of that, his personality in Denver is well-documented. Quite frankly, he was a condescending a-hole who rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. I know I rail on all the negative media and fans here in Philly, but sheesh, fans hated McDaniels so much, they built a website to show their hatred of the man…http://www.joshmcdanielssucks.com/

      • bluto

        Thanks didn’t know that.

        Last line should read:
        That eliminates…

    • RobNE

      because he sucks.

      • holeplug

        he’s basically Chip but with the bad personalty traits x 100

        • bluto

          And you know this or think this? Serious question.

    • peteike

      I completely agree with this logic even if it also may fail

    • Media Mike

      I guess his personality is still too toxic, but I agree with you from the X and O point of view.

  • RobNE

    well Sat will be good. Either the Pats lose or the Chiefs lose and we find out whether it’s Pederson. Win win .

  • RobNE

    “At that final press conference with the Giants, Coughlin said as he grew in the coaching profession, relationships became the primary objective in his career.”

    from Birds 24/7

  • jaws80

    Being Coughlin day and all, i think i can get over the Giants thing, if Duce is seen as a very promising future coach who could use a few years of grooming by a two time superbowl winner. Coughlin sets a tone in the organization, players seem to love him even though he is also tough on them, then Duce can step in.
    Was thinking if “who can win us a superbowl” is the biggest criteria for a head coach, then hard to argue Pederson can win us one before a two time superbowl winner can.

    • RobNE

      what is with all the Duce love? now he’s the HC in waiting?! you don’t like Pederson’s resume but you love Duce’s?

      • P_P_K

        My Duce love started when he was a player. Now, thinking that he might someday be a HC, the love flourishes.

  • GENETiC-FREAK

    Anyone thought of Mike Pettine as DC?

    • anon

      he’s looking for a HC gig, heard he was hated in the lockerroom at Buffalo, he did them dirty.

      • GENETiC-FREAK

        Oh really no good about the locker room hate.. Thats actually what i was looking at was his D from Bills before he left for Browns.. Top 10 D with hybrid looks.. Alonso DPOY too that time.. Ah well.. Cant think of anyone else as DC candidates brains pretty blank

        • anon

          I was thinking about Marrone not Pettine, Pettine might be ok, got a bad deal in CLe, he and Shurmur can bond over that.

          • Media Mike

            Marrone is brutal and I’d want no parts of him.

          • GENETiC-FREAK

            Oh sweet well put Pettine back on top of my DC list lol

    • Media Mike

      I have, but D3 indicated that Cleveland’s D was a schematic trainwreck this year, so I think I’d prefer a 4-3 guy suited to that role like Lovie.

  • RC5000

    Ian Rapoport ✔@RapSheet
    The #49ers have requested and received permission to speak with former #Giants coach Tom Coughlin, source said. He talks to #Eagles tonight.

    • ACViking

      “He talks to #Eagles tonight.”
      ___________

      When did Coughlin’s interview start? Has it started?

      • Nailed It!

        Well the early bird special at the Cracker Barrel gets going around 4:30.

        • HawaiianEagle

          Murder She Wrote at 1700…

          • laeagle

            That’s if he makes it through “Matlock”

  • GermanEagle

    At that point I won’t mind if Megan Fox becomes the Eagles new HC. At least she wouldn’t struggle to have the TEAM all IN.

    • P_P_K

      We could forget objective analysis from Tommy. Well, from most of us.

      • GermanEagle

        Sometimes you have to make a sacrifice.

        • P_P_K

          I think I can man up for this one.

    • Insomniac

      They’ll get sick of her someday.

      • P_P_K

        Once there’s a quarterback controversy.

      • GermanEagle

        Yes, especially if our WR’s keep dropping the rubber…

  • Nailed It!

    I respect the hell out of Tom Coughlin, but I would much rather have him in the Nova Care as some kind of consultant to the new coach. I doubt he would ever do that but it would be awesome.

    • Media Mike

      I really hope the interview is purely for data mining the Giants.

  • Nailed It!

    Coughlins interview has concluded. Twitter told me this.

    • anon

      What makes TC take that interview?

      • Insomniac

        stick it to NY?

      • Ark87

        great question. NYC can be exhausting but Philly isn’t an easy gig either. The team isn’t exactly ripe to do anything very soon.

  • anon

    Lewis keeps his job. As outsiders you’re like why? But Bengals were ass for a long time and winning 10+ games a season keeps those seats filled and jerseys purchased.

  • Dave

    For those wondering why Josh McDaniels is not getting any interviews, read this timeline (it makes Chip seem mild by comparison):

    http://www.joshmcdanielssucks.com/timeline/

    • JohnDoe610

      McDaniels made the Human Torch seem tepid.

      • Dave

        Hiring a 33 year old guy for head coaching position was crazy.

        I started my firm at 32 and felt at times I was in over my head until my late 30’s, when I was finally seasoned with more than 15 years experience. Now in my mid-forties, I feel I have seen more than enough to conquer any problems that may arise.

        That’s one thing that made me nervous with Gase, 37 is still young pup.

        • RobNE

          I was nervous about Gase’s age too.

          • MS

            # younglivesmatter

  • JohnDoe610

    The organization had a certain feel under Andy Reid. He was loyal to the players and they loved him. It wasn’t completely sunshine and rainbows, but it certainly wasn’t a cold, corporate culture.

    Was he? I’ve started to feel like more of the problem is Roseman than the coach. We let Dawkins, Trotter, Hugh Douglas, and Simon go under Big Red.

    • Dave

      That was Joe Banner, not Howie.

      • JohnDoe610

        I stand corrected. But I would rather bring in another football person to run the team than have Howie doing it with Pederson as coach.

        • Media Mike

          They plan on adding one more front office guy I believe.

          • Dave

            Yup, somebody to take over Tom Donahoe’s player personnel role on a full time basis.

          • Media Mike

            And I like that structure.

          • Dave

            People keep saying the Eagles need a GM, but does this new structure not have more checks and balances?

          • Media Mike

            I believe it does, but I’m hopeful we can have collaboration be the mindset.

          • Dave

            Hey, don’t start on the whole growth mindset thing…

          • Gian GEAGLE

            Don’t buy the Bullshit.. Structure is the Same, HOWIE replaces Chips GM duties, the guy we hire replaces Marynowitz…. Every single Front office decision ever made is a Collaborative effort. There is no such a thing as a GM isolating hikself in a cave and making his decision on his own… GMs hear the opinions of a lot of people, weigh the Info, and ultimately make the decision… trust me, it won’t be a case of 3 people in the front Office voting on each decision… The guy they hire will do Marynowitz job of running the scouting department and be Howie’s right hand man. HOWIE will hear the opinion of the new guy they hire, listen to the opinion of scouts, and Ultimately HOWIE will make the decisions that typically land on a traditional GMs desk…
            ..
            in 2013 Chip was the coach in charge of 53 man Roster. HOWIE was the GM (in charge of 90 man roster) Gamble was second in command to HOWIE (in the front office)..
            .
            After the 2014 season, HOWIE was removed, Chip took over Control of the 90 man roster in addition to the control of the 53 man roster that he already had, Gamble was fired and replaced with Marynowitz…
            ..
            Now Howie is back to making the final GM decisions, and the guy we fire will replace Marynowitz… What’s funny is LURIE wants to play the semantics game and not call HOWIE the GM but HOWIE is more powerful now than he ever was… Don’t be surprised if the next coach we hire DOESNT even get control of the 53 man roster, if this is true, they are going to have to hire someone like Doug or Shurmur who doesn’t have a bunch of HC options to choose from. If they want someone with a name like COUGHLIN, they will have to give up some power/control

            Ultimately when a team is calling to offer a trade, we won’t see the Eagles vote on the trade to decide if we will accept it or decline it, so they can Kidd my ass with that Collaborative BS treating us like we are stupid… When it’s time to decide on a trade proposal, HOWIE will hear the opinions from his circle, but in the end, the decision will be made By HOWIE… Call that whatever they want, but the other franchises call that a GM…

        • MS

          Is the track record of “football people” really better? Roseman has worked for an NFL team for a long time and there are talent scouts on staff. I’m sick of that cliche.

          • JohnDoe610

            My bad, when I said “football person” I mean another person to make personnel decisions and leave the coaching to the coach.

          • MS

            Fair enough. I just am sick of that cliche.

          • JohnDoe610

            No, agreed. I just don’t want a coach who is also the GM.

      • daveH

        Andy couldve prevented it

        • Dave

          Agreed

    • Media Mike

      Dawk was a mistake.

      Trotter was overpaid badly by Washington and was never that good. And he still came back.
      Douglas was cut by Jacksonville in 2 years and came right back.
      Simon was a lazy bloated fat pig of a human being and a complete waste of talent.

      • Dave

        Dawk the player was done. Dawk the team leader was greatly missed. He was way overpaid for the production Denver got from him.

        • Media Mike

          Agreed. If I remember the reporting correctly he was waiting for Banner to counter Denver and Banner wished him luck in Denver. The 4 year deal Denver signed Dawk to was an abomination, but he did have good 2009 and 2010 years. Shame they couldn’t work that out.

    • Greg Richards

      Most of those guys pre-date Roseman having any type of significant control or authority. Trotter/Douglas/Simon were all Reid/Banner decisions.

      • JohnDoe610

        Correct, I was wrong about assigning blame to Roseman. However, the idea that there was more loyalty under Andy is still true.

    • FairOaks

      The big problem under Reid was that the quality of the assistant coaches went downhill. The drafts weren’t that great but part of that was not teaching some of the young players all that well — did not get the most out of the talent they did draft. Reid has done fine with a new set of coaches.

    • laeagle

      You do know that Banner let those guys go, right?

      • Media Mike

        I think he does now. Somebody already scolded him for that.

      • JohnDoe610

        Yes, I was corrected about that. Don’t know why I thought it was Roseman. Other than the fact I’m an idiot.

  • RobNE

    what other interviews are scheduled for this week? Or is Lurie tied up in the relocation meetings.

    • Media Mike

      I think McAdoo, Terryl Austin, and/or Guenther are still possibly out there.

      • Nailed It!

        I thought McAdoo happened already.

        • Media Mike

          I think you’re correct. I must have misread a tweet. Now I’m forgetting the other other name.

          • myartz04

            McDermott? …jk

          • Media Mike
          • myartz04

            What if we hired McDermott and the first thing he did was sign Mostert and cut Barner?

          • Media Mike

            He has to agree to “chat” with me in the parking lot about his “work” here in 2009 and 2010 and his attitude on his way out the door first.

      • RC5000

        Koetter.

        • Media Mike

          Thank you.

        • RobNE

          I thought they fired Lovie to promote him

      • Greg Richards

        It’s weird with Guenther. Reportedly, both the Eagles and Browns requested permission to interview him but no interview has scheduled for either. Either he/his agent want no part of either situation or he doesn’t think himself that he’s ready to be a HC.

  • RobNE

    I kind of wish Joey Porter was flagged 15 yards before Adam Jones got near him. For being on the field.

    Peter King (who makes stuff up) says only medical personnel and the HC is allowed on the field.

    • Media Mike

      Porter was 100% in the wrong there. Pac Man’s mistake was bumping the ref to complain instead of just jumping Porter.

      • RobNE

        Obv Jones is in the wrong but I just feel like Porter kind of cheated there. I don’t feel good about it.

        • Insomniac

          The sad thing is he’ll just probably take the fall and only get fined a little or be suspended for a short time. Like seriously, that’s a slap on the wrist compared to what they got in return.

          • peteike

            oh are you kidding, you know Porter and the players are laughing their asses off about it. Hes probably loving it

    • anon

      I’m sure he was in the wrong – but he did the right thing. Win by any means.

      • FairOaks

        Yup. So it’s on the officials to penalize him to try to assure you don’t win by those means.

        • anon

          yup could have simply done an offsetting penalty. But that’s what happens when you have a bad rep.

    • ACViking

      Here’s the rule:

      ARTICLE 2. TEAM ATTENDANTS MAY ENTER FIELD DURING TIMEOUT. Either or both team attendants and their helpers may enter the field to attend their team during a team timeout by either team. No other non-player may come on the field without the Referee’s permission, unless he is an incoming substitute (5-2-2).

      During any team timeout, all playing rules continue in force. Representatives of either team are prohibited from entering the field unless they are incoming substitutes, or team attendants or trainers entering to provide for the welfare of a player, and any game-type activities are prohibited on the Field of Play.

    • daveH

      Pacman idiocy is faster than ref teaction time

    • Gian GEAGLE

      Pacman is an Imbecile. He went on TV today and claimed that Antonio Brown flopped and was faking that injury, as if he wasn’t placed into the concussion protocol

      • anon

        That’s terrible considering the way his body went limp. If you’ve spent any time on worldstarr you know he was knocked out.

  • Media Mike

    Quick point of order on Burfict;

    If Cincy called and offered to trade him here straight up for Kendicks……….anybody saying no?

    • Insomniac

      Why bother? Both of them will give us headaches.

      • Media Mike

        True, but if he hit Beckham in the head, throat chopped Trent Williams, and spit on Doug Free; he’d be my new favorite Eagle.

        • anon

          burfect 4/$19 – Kenricks 4/$29 — who is more likely to earn that $$?

          • Media Mike

            Burfict

          • peteike

            oh ha, I thought you were replying to your own post there. It indeed is a Burfict post

          • Media Mike

            No, I was saying I like Burfict to play out his full deal more than I like Kendricks.

          • Insomniac

            Burflict. Suh is still somehow in the league after all.

          • Media Mike

            Somehow I’m sensing that Howie isn’t who structured that Kendricks deal.

    • Dave

      I’m saying no. I would like to see Kendricks with a different D coordinator and linebackers coach.

      • RobNE

        you will get your wish

        • Media Mike

          True enough there.

      • anon

        I’d like to see him w/ a different brain.

        • Media Mike

          I’m more in your camp.

        • Dave

          That’s what I always said about Vick.

      • Media Mike

        And in a 4-3?

    • JoeBlow

      def not giving up Kendricks…..Burfict could be straight up cut after that fiasco this weekend…..no reason to give up anything of value (yes i still think Kendricks can work out if he’s stays healthy and in a new defense, after all many people were happy about him being re-signed)

      • FairOaks

        Burfict played incredibly well — much better than Kendricks ever has. He had the one bad tackle in the heat of battle at the worst possible time, but you easily take that for everything else he gave you that game. Not sure if he still plays out of control in general though — did not see many Bengals games this year (or any past year either, really).

        • anon

          not in the game w/out burfect going ham

        • peteike

          no doubt but did anyone see the angle of his play on Big Ben. He knees him the shoulder after hes down, dude is just nasty

        • A_T_G

          The illegal hit I can live with. The fact that there was a constant crazy watch on duty I cannot. I commented during the game that on every play there seemed to be three guys tasked with keeping Burfict from doing anything stupid.

    • daveH

      Wonderful question.
      I say no f in way. What about him running off the field..wtf kind of cluelessness was that.
      Embarrassing that refs didnt flag that.
      Burfict is way too WAY TOO much stupidity; he played great only to be outdone by his own epic stupidity.
      Years from now that stupidity will still be on espn. Thank god he isnt in an eagles uni.
      We passed on him when he was essentially free.. no need to pay real moola for him now.
      Let Jerry hav his dope style train wreck

      • Media Mike

        noted

    • A_T_G

      Yep, I’m with daveH on this one. The entire season would be a constant wait for him to get suspended or cost us the game. I would advocate sitting him any time we were leading by two scores, but he would be just as dangerous from the sideline. That level of crazy is dangerous.

      • Gian GEAGLE

        Domata Peko was on the bench and ran onto the Field to hit a Steelers player. That entire team was so out of control, Marvin Lewis should be ashamed of himself… Failed miserably at being a leader Of men, which is what he gets paid to do.. How do you allow BUrfict to act like a scumbag throughout an entire game. At some point, how do you not get him under control in such an important game? From warm ups to the very end of the game, Bengals players were COMPLETLY out of control. How do you go into a game knowing that your careers is on the line since you came into the game 0-6, without a single playoff win to show for the 11yrs he been allowed to coach. With such an important game for yourself and your family, and the city of Cincinatti that is still supporting him after 11’failed seasons in a row, you allowed your players to be out of control the entire game… It was a disgrace to playoff football. Watching, I couldn’t help Laugh and think about how they looked like an out of control, Undiscaplined Rex Ryan poorly coached team that embarressed themselves in Philly….. For a team to be so out of control throughut an entire playoff game, if that’s not the definition of a poorly coached Undiscaplined team I don’t know what is..
        ..
        The owner is a moron. That Roster is stacked, they could ride the initial spark of a,coaching change to what could be a big 2016 season… Just like Anon pointing out that the Warriors fired Mark Jackson, and rode the spark from the coaching change all the way to the championship… Just like Dungy built an elite Tampa team, and they rode the spark from the coaching change of Chucky to finally get over the hump and win a Super Bowl
        ..
        I would fear the Bengals Roster next yeàr f they fired Marvin Lewis… But no surprise, cheap ass Owner doesnt want to pay a coach to go away. Fool is making the mistake of bringing back Lewis for a 13th season, poor fans haven’t seen a playoff win in 25 years. How are they not burning that stadium to the ground and Demanding a coaching Change? They are now reaching Buffalo Bills level of loser to where something bad happens in these games, and they all get the “Hear we go again” feeling after being traumitized by 7 years of round 1 playoff losses..
        .,
        Instead of using the coaching change as an advantage to try and get them over the hump, they will bring Marvin back for another year where no one will respect anything they do in the regular season and get to the playoffs and assume that Marvin and Dalton will choke the game away… They are inventing new ways to lose…. How the hell do you fumble a ball when all you are doing is running down the clock?.. How do you lose your mind playing against a QB who can’t throw more then 10 yards with his hurt shoûlder, and you just give him 30 penalty yards basically escorting them into FG range? Embarressing. Disgraceful,
        .,
        I don’t know if I should feel worse for VIKING fans, or bengals fans???

    • bluto

      Big no. Slow, can’t cover. Doesn’t work in a 3-4.

  • RC5000

    Tidbit and that’s all it is but Lurie met privately with Coughlin first before they joined the others.

    http://section215.com/2016/01/11/eagles-rumors-tom-coughlin-reportedly-had-private-meeting-with-jeffrey-lurie-prior-to-interview/

  • Telmert

    The strange part of Pederson, to me, is that there’s no talk about AR being a bad person to take a recommendation from. One of the main reasons he’s no longer here is that he was terrible with his coaches over his last few seasons. He thought SD was ready to take over for JJ. He thought JC could move to the defensive side. Remember Rory Seagrest as DL coach? Mudd, Washburn, April. It was during that time that Pederson was hired and then made QB coach. (Vick regressed each of the two years under his watch as QB coach, btw).

    There are no successes in Pederson’s coaching resume that demonstrates he’ll be a good HC and he is dramatically short of the experience that other candidates have. The only thing that makes him a good candidate is that the guy who we dumped because he couldn’t put together a good coaching staff thinks he’d be a good head coach.

    • Media Mike

      As a little context on the Castillo debacle.

      My memory of that was that they were desperate to improve the pass rush after McDermott’s putrid “coordinating” in 2009 and 2010, so they went out and hired Washburn first. Washburn had such a terrible reputation personally that most candidates for the coordinator position balked at working with him, so Reid was forced to ask Castillo to help out.

      And what’s funny is that Castillo’s D were better in the red zone than McDermott’s.

      • laeagle

        At the time, his reputation wasn’t necessarily terrible. It’s just that most candidates didn’t want a defensive front alignment picked out for them. Not everyone wants to run a wide 9, and for good reason (as we found out).

      • jaws80

        that is my memory, had to take Juan because Andy was hung up with idea of a wide-9. Being fired seemed to clear Andy’s mind a lot, makes sense that it would and was good for him.

  • Gian GEAGLE

    Last time we were in a coaching search. We didn’t get serious about a Candidate until one was invited to Chateau Di LURIE…. We heard about all the interviews last time, but when we finally got serious with one, Gus Bradley was invited to Lurie’s Mansion and he was to become our coach, until chip changed his mind and cock blocked Bradley…
    ..
    Do you think it’s safe to assume that if we don’t see any 2nd interviews with Candidates by Saturday night, it would point to waiting for KC season to end to announce our coaching hire?
    ..,
    Do we even know what interviews are scheduled for this week yet?
    ..
    I’m getting Antsy, not that I really care about who the coach will be, I care more about finding out who will be on his staff, And what type of defense we plan on running?
    .,
    Isn’t Lurie, HOWIE and the Gang leaving for the owners meeting or somthing?
    ..
    I assume we probably won’t hear Roseman speak until they introduce the next coach in hopes that the news of the coaching hire and the media asking questions to the new coach allows the fact that they are lying to us about HOWIE not being the GM continue to fly under the radar and not grill HOWIE and LURIE about it.

    • Greg Richards

      There are league-wide owner meetings in Houston on Tuesday and Wednesday that will probably slow things down for all teams still needing to hire a HC.

      • RobNE

        I feel bad for cities losing their teams. Owners make plenty.

        • Greg Richards

          I feel bad for the fans. I don’t feel bad for the city governments. Having a team isn’t a right. Football teams are businesses and if you don’t provide a business-friendly climate, the teams have every right to move headquarters.

          • RobNE

            They Are bad investment. Like the Olympics.

          • anon

            “business friendly climate”. City sells 30yr bonds to finance stadium. Team leaves 20 years later.

            Cities with good teams have no issues getting money for a stadium. Can’t put out ass product and then hope we’ll front a billionaire half a billy for the privilege of paying $200 for tickets and $10 for a beer to see a team that may not be good and may not stay.

  • SteveH

    November 2010:

    • The Denver Broncos and head coach Josh McDaniels were each fined $50,000 by the NFL for violating the league’s “integrity of the game” policy, as McDaniels failed to timely report the recording of a 49ers walk-through practice by the team’s director of video operations, Steve Scarnecchia. Scarnecchia was fired after asserting he acted alone.

    I forgot about this. Can’t believe he was audacious enough to try that after the whole Spygate thing.

    • Gian GEAGLE

      Wow I never about this

    • RobNE

      Wow. So can we stop talking about how we should hire him.

    • bluto

      I still want him for at least a look. The good outweighs the bad. What he’s done with Scott Chandler? Dion Lewis? Edelman? Amendola? Heck, Matt Cassel was good under him.

      • RobNE

        We are looking for a people person. What about his Denver experience makes you think he is one. I’d rather have a complete unknown.

        • bluto

          There’s a difference (obviously) between what we (as fans) know and what the reality is.

          1. How do you know he’s not a people person?
          2. I want a coach who can do the most with the assets the team has. McDaniels knows Bradford, has run a tempo scheme and his general scheme seems flexible and clever.
          3. As to your other point, no clue. Landry? Brady? My point was he won with Cassel when Brady was out.

          • RobNE

            If I can’t make conclusions based on what I have read then I need to shut down my IB because I don’t know any of these guys personally. An argument that everything I’ve read is wrong is not persuasive.

        • Gian GEAGLE

          He thought the way to get his Tom Brady was to Draft Tebow in Round 1…. Nuff said….

          • bluto

            Again. He made personnel mistakes. He made mistakes. If he didn’t he wouldn’t be available for a HC. The question boils down to three things:

            1. Can he use the Eagles’ talent <- I think yes
            2. Can he install a good scheme <- Looks like yes
            3. Has he learned and become a better potential HC <- I hope yes.

          • Tdoteaglefan

            yeah, this guy was a Toolbox, not just a Tool, he was the whole damn box.

            I really doubt that Jeff’s decision After Firing a Coach that was a good offensive mind, but made crazy personnel decisions, became power Hungry, and had bad relationships with players and the front office etc….

            would be to hire a Coach who did all of that in an even more outrageous fashion a few years before.

            no sir

            I think he’s going to go with someone a lil safer, Coach Congeniality.

      • RobNE

        I have two words for you. Tom. Guess the second word.

        • Dave

          Hanks?

        • A_T_G

          Coughlin?

        • A_T_G

          -sula?

        • Crus57

          -men Baratheon, First of His Name?

      • Dave

        http://www.joshmcdanielssucks.com/timeline/

        You read this and still believe the good outweighs the bad?

        • bluto

          Fans, for the most part, suck and are stupid. Several posters on this blog excepted.

          Cutler has a reputation for being uncoachable and, as a larger point, much of those problems can (best case) be attributed to his age and inexperience. No?

          • Dave

            How about the general manager of the Broncos who drafted Cutler, would you believe him:

            “Shortly after Josh McDaniels moved into his office at Dove Valley, he called in Cutler and his agent, Bus Cook, for a closed-door meeting. The story goes that McDaniels began with a 20-minute dissertation of his resume, how he’d worked his way up the ranks in New England to become Bill Belichick‘s right-hand man with the offense and how the team would have been nowhere the year before without his tutelage of backup Matt Cassel. He continued on with justification of his hiring by Bowlen.

            After the perplexing recitation of accomplishments, McDaniels suddenly shifted gears.

            He began to bash and berate Cutler and his game to the tune of a verbal flogging neither had ever witnessed. The expletive-laden diatribe went on for a few minutes, after which Cook stood up and told Cutler they were leaving. As they walked down the long hallway past Bowlen’s office, Cutler turned to Bus and said, “Get me out of here. I don’t care how you do it.”

            http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2580349-why-i-drafted-jay-cutler-and-what-happened-from-there

          • Insomniac

            This is actually a really good read.

          • bluto

            Is this a joke? Your reasoning for not wanting to give him a look, is that he didn’t think Cutler was/would be a good QB?

          • Dave

            Obviously you feel he is a great Xs and Os guy. That’s debatable with Tom Brady at the helm. What’s not debatable are his poor leadership qualities, abrasive personality, condescending demeanor, etc.

            What do you know about him makes you think he can lead a team, not just an offense? More importantly, isn’t he the exact opposite of what Lurie described in the qualities he is looking for in a head coach?

  • A_T_G

    How about Coughlin w/ McAdoo and Lovie? I think I could be happy with that.

    • Gian GEAGLE

      I would be down, but I highly doubt that…. Impression I get is they want someone with no leverage who they can control. I’m starting to think the new coach won’t even have control over the 53 man roster. If this turns out to be the case, then we can probably eliminate the big name candidates..
      ..
      IM thinking that they will hire a coach who they can control, a coach who they can choose some of his coaching staff so we can keep guys like Shurmur, DUCE, and ideally also Fipp and Undlin….. Kind of odd that we are looking at guys that our competition doesmt view as a candidate… Has anyone seen any other franchise request an interview with Shurmur or Dougie? Anyone else know of a team that is interviewing a candidate that no other franchise is interested in interviewing? None that I have heard of.
      .
      Personally these aren’t reasons I would want to pick a coach based off of, but it’s the direction I think they are headed,, I think the next coaching staff will be pretty familiar to us,,, either Shurmur as the HC, or Doug as the HC with Shurm as his OC, DUCE will also probably remain. Maybe the long tenured TE coach as well…. Hopefully we can keep Undlin and Fipp…. I’m mostly interested in a new WR coach, new ILB coach, new edge rusher coach, DC… Hopefully there is some great defensive assistant on the KC staff that Doug can bring over and elevate to become our DC…

      That’s just my guess,,, no idea what I really want… Give me Bradford, and I’ll support anything..

      • Fufina

        Don’t get sucked into any media narratives. Eagles are just interviewing the candidates they think could be good head coaches and are working through their list, once they have hit all the key guys they want they will 2nd interview and likely hire someone.

        Trust the process and analyse the result if you want but don’t get hooked up on the day by day of who they do and don’t talk to.

      • jaws80

        I dont see the advantage of Pederson as HC with Shurmur as OC, over just Shurmur as HC with some young new OC for some new ideas. If they hire a light weight as HC just so they can tell the light weight that Shurmur will be the OC, why just not hire Shurmur as HC and tell Shurmur what other staff he needs to keep, like Duce?

      • A_T_G

        “Anyone else know of a team that is interviewing a candidate that no other franchise is interested in interviewing?”

        Only San Fran interviewed Chip.

        • Gian GEAGLE

          Yeah that’s the only one I thought of too, figured I’d give chip the benefit of the doubt that someone like the Browns will interview Him

      • Greg Richards

        I saw where only around 10 coaches had control over the 53-man roster, which surprised me. It’s not really an insult to not offer that.

  • Greg Richards

    Vontaze Burflict suspended 3 games

    • RobNE

      Porter?

      • Greg Richards

        League still reviewing punishment for other players/coaches.

  • TheTazmanianDevil

    In the last post, I said I would prefer Hue Jackson or Shurmur, but one guy has jump ahead for me.

    Mike Smith.
    He did a good job in his first 5 years at Atlanta, and then seems to lose the locker room or/and, alongside with the GM, did a poor job adding talent.

    Don’t know, but he and Shurmur, with some freedom as OC, and a oldschool DC would make me happy (for now).

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    I’m having fun here but new thread up

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    New post up

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