Interesting Updates
Posted: January 13th, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 631 Comments »It is hard to know what to make of the Eagles coaching search. There isn’t much info coming from reporters that are tied in to the Eagles. We have gotten a couple of reports from national guys.
Eagles not planning any more HC interviews as of now. Will regroup after owner's meetings. Pederson among those who impressed them
— Jason La Canfora (@JasonLaCanfora) January 12, 2016
To be clear on Eagles, could be second interviews with candidates but was informed nothing was planned with new candidates
— Jason La Canfora (@JasonLaCanfora) January 12, 2016
That was interesting, but hardly definitive. The Eagles might not have had any more interviews scheduled, but that doesn’t mean they couldn’t change that.
Then came a report from Adam Schefter this morning. Tim McManus has the details.
Adam Schefter isn’t so sure that Doug Pederson is the favorite to land the Eagles head coaching gig. In his mind, Ben McAdoo is.
Appearing on the 97.5 the Fanatic Morning Show, the ESPN analyst had this to say about the Eagles coaching search, which looks to be coming down the home stretch:
“I think Tom Coughlin‘s interview went well. You can’t meet with him and not be impressed by the coach and man he is. But ultimately, as good and as impressive as he is, I just think the Eagles’ model here is to find someone that they can work with for the next 10 to 15 years and I don’t think Tom Coughlin fits that description as good of a coach as he is…
“Maybe even Pat Shurmur would be in consideration because he is a very good football coach. But to me, I would handicap McAdoo as the favorite for whatever that’s worth and we’ll see if that’s proven right.”
We all know Schefter has great connections. He breaks a lot of stories. That said, he also gets used by agents on a regular basis. This could be a legit report and the Eagles might love McAdoo. Or this could be his agent leaking this to Schefter to try and generate more interest from other teams that still have an opening.
Think about the market right now. Miami has already made a hire. Let’s say the Eagles are leaning toward Doug Pederson. It sounds like Cleveland really wants Hue Jackson. Reports from Tennessee indicate they may go with Mike Mularkey.
That leaves SF, Tampa, and the Giants with openings. None of those teams seems close to making a hire, If there is a perception with them that the Eagles might be in play for McAdoo, one of those teams could decide he is in fact the coach they should go for. Good old human nature. When someone else wants something, it makes you want it as well. Agents aren’t fools. They know how to help their clients, even when that means getting creative.
If McAdoo is in fact the leader, I’m fine with that. Here is something I wrote about him the other day.
BEN McADOO
Another young coach with a strong offensive background and good track record. As with Austin, I need to do more research on him.
Like Gase, McAdoo is a grinder. He started coaching at the high school level before becoming an graduate assistant at Michigan State (what is it about MSU?). A couple of years later he became a GA at Pitt, where he worked for Walt Harris (good offensive coach).
During that time in his life, McAdoo had met a coach by the name of Mike McCarthy. They were both natives of western PA and developed a friendship. McCarthy was impressed enough by McAdoo to hire him to come work for the Saints in 2004. McAdoo then followed McCarthy to SF in 2005 and onto Green Bay in 2006. They worked together there through 2013.
McAdoo coached TEs from 2006 until 2011. He then coached QBs in 2012 and 2013.
In 2014, McAdoo was hired away to be the Giants OC.
The biggest selling point for me in regard to McAdoo is his work with Eli Manning. We all know the saying that you can’t teach old dogs new tricks. McAdoo got Eli to completely change his game. Eli just set personal records for TD passes and QB rating this season.
In the past, Eli liked to throw vertically. That meant holding onto the ball. McAdoo got him to embrace quick throws. Instead of 7-step drops and 20-yard throws there were 3- and 5-step drops and quick hitters. This eliminated some negative plays and helped the offense to be very efficient at times. Think about it. Eli had a banged up O-line and serious receiver issues, but still set personal passing records. That’s pretty impressive, by him and McAdoo.
Things worked out pretty well in Philly the last time the Eagles hired someone who had coached the Packers TEs and QBs. That was Andy Reid. McAdoo had the added benefit of leaving the nest and going to NY to work under Tom Coughlin and see another organization up close and personal. Reid never got to be an OC. I’m sure McAdoo learned quite a bit in his time away from the Packers.
McAdoo would be of interest because he has gotten good results from a pair of QBs. He knows the NFC East. He understands coaching in a bit city and the pressure of being in the spotlight. He knows how to run someone else’s system (McCarthy’s) and also how to create his own.
The Giants may make a strong push to keep McAdoo themselves.
McAdoo isn’t a household name, but he’s had success with 2 QBs and 2 offenses. That is very impressive and makes him a candidate that should be taken seriously.
The Eagles need better QB play, whether from Sam Bradford, Mark Sanchez (god forbid) or a rookie. McAdoo seems like a coach who gets results from his QBs. He would need to hire the right staff to fix the defense. Obviously making the right staff hires makes or breaks just about any coach.
We’ll keep discussing candidates and rumors until we get something more concrete. I’m expecting things to heat up this week. Stay tuned.
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At this point, i’d rather just promote Pat, fire the majority of the defensive staff and start over with a slightly modified for the nfl chip offense and a 43 defense with not billy davis at the helm
makes it easier to move on next season if they suck again. Pat would have a pretty short leash, i’m sure.
The defensive scheme doesn’t matter IMO. Otherwise, I’m leaning that way too. Undlin’s the only defensive assistant who stays (well, Azz, too, but I think he’s going down with the Chip Ship).
I 100% with you.
When I heard Lurie’s press conference, McAdoo was the first person I thought of. Not sure why. Seems like a guy in the AR mold.
I’d love to see him here with Shurmur and Spags.
Okay I have a thought and it might be dreaming but reading the tea leave I see…. Coughlin taking gm duties (too old to coach)
mcadoo head coach
Spags d coordinator (or azz)
Shurmer o coordinator
It makes sense with coughlins age and the temporary guy in place for personnel now, and it leaves howie in charge of contracts
on what basis is a HC qualified to be GM?
I guess not gm but personnel man
on what basis is he qualified to do that? that’s an entirely different job than HC.
MADDEN!
In my experience,, a lot of organizations think that if someone is successful in one job, he will be successful in another even if it’s unrelated. It comes from the notion that a good leader can lead anywhere. I have seen some terrible decisions based on this concept. However, if Coughli or any other person with significant football experience were placed over Roseman, I would be okay with that.
COUGHLIN will accept being under HOWIE Roseman?? Yeah right
Dream Team 2016!
Coughlin wouldn’t be a GM. My guess if they could get him to join the organization without being a HC would be that he’d take on something like the role Donahoe previously had of senior football advisor. Advising both Roseman on personnel and McAdoo on coaching.
Absolutely no way do I want Spags touching that defense. He and Rob Ryan seem to break each others’ records for worst total defense every year.
Spagnuolo won a championship at DC with talent on Defense. He can be a very good DC for us.
That was in 2007. Since then, he’s been the worst defensive coordinator in the NFL
My point was with Cox and Curry maybe he will be what he was when he had Strahan and Osi
I like the idea of Coughlin as GM , and Macadoo as HC, and Shurmer as OC. Not sold on Spags. The problem is your dream makes sense, but I have lost confidence in the process. I don’t see much sense in what they have done so far. I am hoping I am wrong.
ok I forgot that Mcadoo was from PA. (been considering this fact among all candidates based on Luries comments..so Austin, Guenther, and Now McAdoo seem to be the ones that check off most of the boxes)
I could see him as a legit candidate..as I and everybody else suspected…bringing Coughlin in for an interview could’ve been more about doing some due diligence on Mcadoo than it was about Coughlin taking the Head Coaching role himself.
I’d be fine with
McAdoo head Coach
Winston Moss D coordinator
Shurmer offensive coordinator
and retaining Undlin, Azz, and Fipp
After reading some stuff on Pederson, hes a good teacher at least and knows his schemes. I just think hes early in his career to maybe make the jump. Same thing happened to Gase last year, he was a hot name mid season but
then died out once they were looking for coaches. He then gets another
full season as a coordinator then makes the jump. I think Doug is where
Gase was last year but doesnt make him not a viable option. Just not sure I want any Giants castoffs, a guy Billy Davis beat and a team that couldnt beat the guy we just fired. I just look at Coughlins last 4 years and theres not much to like. Great
resume per the super bowls but beyond that below .500 in his career for
over 10 win playoff teams. Last bunch of years couldnt make the playoffs either, gotta go by recent history. McAdoo at least has some decent history with good mentors on his resume so thats a positive. At this point I like Doug out of those 3 but the bar is kind of low. We just cant know much as fans per the interview process.
I read some quotes from Brian Dawkins that indicated that Peterson is actually brilliant. I like brilliant. Guys like Peterson and Shurmur get knocked because they are boring. Well that is the public perception and they may use offenses that seem more traditional West Coast. But that does not mean that there is not a creative, incisive intelligence behind their offenses.
Kelly was brilliant but that is not why he failed. He failed for potentially a number of reasons but he got fired because he screwed Lurie. Remember just days after Lurie backed Roseman to continue as GM, Kelly made his power play insisting that he have full control and that Roseman as not a true football guy could not possibly do the job. That’s when Lurie came up with his — OK but then you have to be accountable approach. But lets face it Lurie had few palatable options at that point because he wasn’t going to fire Kelly at that point. Maybe he should have. But if you go around screwing an NFL owner you might have a hard time getting another NFL owner to give you a job. You think that is why there has been precious little interviewing for mister Big Balls?
The important point is that Kelly didn’t get fired because his ideas were bad, and they still need to be litigated on the football field in my view (and some are already main stream). These include:
Playing fast and no huddle (This one has some problems though including tiring out the defense. But I think it probably can’t be implemented successfully until you have a high efficiency offense.)
Science applied to player fitness.
Technology applied to communication – like play signals.
Read Option – Spread offense
Big Players at certain positions like press-man corners and big slot receivers.
Do you remember that Roseman was the first to pull the trigger on Tom Gamble, who was considered to be “Chip’s guy” in front office? Do you think that all the talks about Roseman being impossible to work with are just talks? Are Roseman’s results in personnel department worth keeping him? Are we gonna be satisfied with him just because he’s “good with numbers”? Why aren’t we looking for a real GM?
Thank you!
Exactly what has Tom Gamble ever done to make firing him not justified? Guy has built his rep on getting good press from media members that he leaks info to. He’s a product of the classic good old boy network and nepotism. Yeah, he’s gotten plenty of GM interviews over the years. Owners hear from his shills that “You should interview Tom Gamble.” Then they do, and they don’t hire him. There’s a reason for that.
I just said that Roseman was the first to strike in the whole power struggle. If Gamble should have been fired, and Chip should have been fired, why Roseman’s results in GM role don’t get at least thoroughly reviewed?
Gamble got fired for leaks or some other form of direct insubordination. He was thrown out of the building 5 months before scouting department contracts are up. He wasn’t fired because he was being a super meanyhead.
What the hell is a “real GM”? A guy who played college football? Pros? These definitions are completely bogus. A real GM is a guy who can perform the duties of a GM, really. That’s it. There’s no requirement for how he got there. And Howie, for whatever his flaws are, and I’m not saying there aren’t issues outside of competence, but he is capable of performing GM duties, because he has done so in the past. He actually has more hands-on GM experience than pretty much any GM candidate out there today. This notion that he’s incapable of performing the job because of his background is asinine. And, for the record, being “good with numbers” is actually pretty fucking important if you’re going to be the GM.
Again, Howie might have personal issues, but he’s not out of his league, and he’s not incapable of performing GM duties. He’s just as, if not more qualified, than most GMs out there. This is no different than when Joe Banner performed a similar role (GM in everything but name). And while Banner also had issues, he helped build the team into a perennial contender. And he probably never played a down of organized football in his life.
No, it would be someone with good reputation and better results in personnel department. I’m sure there are some of those out there. If we weren’t going to settle for mediocrity when it comes to a head coach, why do the same when it comes to someone in a GM role. And if you say that Roseman is above average and above mediocrity, than our stance differ quite a bit, which I fully respect!
The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, that’s a pretty popular mindset with regards to the media and fans.
Talk talk. Name Names. Otherwise you’re talking out your butt.
well it would be a football guy for one. Not a “not a football guy”.
Do you think that all the talks about Roseman being “impossible to work with are just talks?”
Yes, yes I do.
Ring, Ring…”Hello Reuben, this is Joe Banner. Let me tell you about Howie.”
Ring, Ring…”Hello Mr. McLane, this is Tom Gamble. Let me tell you about Howie.”
Ring, Ring…”Hello Domo, this is Louis Riddick. Let m etell you about Howie.
What do all these people have in common. If you guessed they are all former employees, you are correct.
Remember when nobody wanted to work with Howie, then he landed Chip Kelly. Remember when nobody want to deal with or trade with Howie, then he makes a series of draft trades.
There is a reason Joe Banner is no longer employed in the NFL. There is also a reason Louis Riddick is no longer employed in the NFL. They sure as hell aren’t being blackballed by Howie.
I said this in an earlier thread, I could personally care less if Howie is an asshat with a Napoleon complex; as long as he oversees good drafts, doesn’t screw up the salary cap, and is effective in free agency.
Remember when nobody wanted to work with Howie, then he landed Chip Kelly. ironic
I did forget that. I never liked Roseman and I felt that he was killing off people long before Kelly arrived. So when Kelly made his power play I felt that Roseman almost got what he deserved. I wish he wasn’t there now. Roseman got some of what he deserved and isn’t really a true football guy – a fact which might mean that the Eagles will only make conventional moves and relegate themselves to mediocrity. Nonetheless, Kelly’s power play and loosing his senses after Gore spurned the Eagles, not getting along with Roseman, and putting the Eagles in a less than ideal cap situation probably give Lurie the sense that he was taken even if Roseman precipitated Kelly’s power play.
Lurie’ desire to have a collaborative organization is good when it comes to generating ideas and getting different points of view, but someone has to have the authority to make the final call. Without a GM, Lurie’ idea leads to spinning wheels.
I get that it’s MCAdoo’s time for an article and it’s a slow couple of days, but a reporter “senses” McAdoo is the front runner. He doesn’t even say that’s what he hears from unnamed sources, but he just has Spiderman senses. And that’s worth what?
I sense sarcasm in your post.
my senses confirm this
That makes sense.
hey just my two cents
I want to jump in here but the scents are overwhelming
who sent you
since he’s from LA?
Brilliant!
I don’t see how Shefty could be used by an agent in this case, when he basically admits that he doesn’t know anything, and that he is just providing his best guess… But whatever, I’m tired of this coaching search, hurry it up so we can get to what really matters, a Defensive Coordinator. Putting together a quality staff and getting Bradford under contract..
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Shurmur, Mcadoo, Doug P, whatever…. I WILL GIVE doug a chance if that’s who they go with, but if KC beats the patriots, is Doug THAT MUCH of a better candidate than Shurmur that we should be waiting weeks until KC loses and we can hire Doug? If KC wins this week, it could be two weeks before we hire Doug, that’s two weeks for other coaches to get a jump on us hiring coaching staffs..,
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Id rather hire Shurmur today, get started on putting a quality coaching staff together, than to wait a week, two weeks, three weeks before we can,hire Doug and start looking for a DC and a coaching staff.
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Id be surprised if Mcadoo isn’t named the coach of the Giants
Amen to that. Honestly, unless your name starts with bill and ends with cheat, you need a quality coaching staff to help you through the season if you want to ba a successful team, and hiring a good staff is exactly what could put the birds in the playoffs next season in this sorry ass nfc east
Honestly, at this point it doesn’t matter if they have to wait until KC exits. I don’t think you’re losing out on anyone from a coaching standpoint for his staff, and there’s certainly nothing going on with free agency. A couple of weeks at this time of year makes no difference.
But, of course, that would mean a couple of weeks of absolute torture for us.
Obviously a big part of that is my own selfish desire to be entertained
tell me about it. I’m getting tired of reaching for the iPad first thing in the morning. It’s sad how much I can’t let this all rest until it’s resolved.
What the hell, we don’t even get to hear our new weasel of a GM HOWIE speak until they hire,this damn coach…. HURRY UP! I want to hear what Howie says when he is asked about Bradford.
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Hopefully now that the Browns hired a coach the Giants and Niners were interested in, it sets off a domino effect where the urgency of this coaching search starts to increase and thngs start moving quicker.. Although, we may be impervious to this domino effect if we are really high on Candidates that no other teams are interested in like Doug P and Shurm
“Hugh Jackson left his second interview with the Browns without a contract offer”….’lol who the hell do the Browns think they are to be playing hard to get with Hugh?…
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This is interesting because I think Hugh is one of the few candidates the Giants could go with instead of Mcadoo….Allegedly Hugh wanted some personnel control, and it was assumed that the Giants wouodnt give it to him, which is why he had intrest in the Browns. But if the Browns aren’t willing to give him any power, maybe he becomes more willing to accept the Giants job…
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I would think that odds are Giants go with continuity and hire Mcadoo, but Hugh is probably one of the few candidates that the Giants could go wifh instead of McAdoo, and if McAddoo doesn’t become the Giants coach, I would think that the Eagles become his ideal choice and he does have the credentials to challenge Doug and Shurm for the HC job..
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What happens with Hugh and Cleveland could end up having a trickle down effect on our coaching search.
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Shefty thinks McAdoo is our top choices but I don’t think we can land McAdoo until he knows that he can’t get the Giants job. and I would think Hugh is somewhere towards the top of the Giants list..
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Shefty says that he doesn’t think Chip will get a HC job in the NFL… I’m Hoping that the Browns hire chip, since I don’t think the Niners will. I would love to see Chip Banished to Cleveand as punishment for letting this team spiral out of control. I also want Chip coaching in the NFL because he is a moron when it comes to VALUE, so I’d be curious to see what Chips new team would give up for Josh Huff, Taylor Hart, Brandon Bair? Knowing Chip, we can get like 3 second round pcks for Josh Huff lol and the Browns are the one franchise with a front office stupid enough to give chip what he wants .
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Don’t we play the Browns next year? Would be awesome to play against Chip, our players would probably play with more fire than we seen the past 3 years
Hue
Schefter just said its a deal with Hue and the Browns is being finalized. Expected to be announced very soon sooooo
Yup definitely a done deal, contract is being finalized as we speak.
Yup… Either the report that he left without a deal was wrong… Or he left, but then the Browns got nervous because he was going to New York to interview the Giants, and the Niners also wanted to talk to him, so he changed his mind and decided to get the deal finalized…
Obviously we can only go with the CV, but I don’t know why there hasn’t been any interest at all from us for Hue. He at least seems like a good leader and teacher who can relate to his players (yes, Hard Knocks, but still). The Bengals are very talented on Offense (except QB, and he made Andy Dalton play kind of good this year), but I like his X and Os from what I saw. He almost won a Playoff game against Big Ben with AJ freaking McCarron at QB. He has experience as HC and wasn’t too bad at it. Plus one would assume he learned a thing or two.
He is the coach of the Browns.. Deal being finalized now
I know. One would assume he would have preferred us to the Browns job, though. Because well, it’s the Browns. Whatever you think of this roster, Howie or Lurie, we’re not the Browns.
I assume we were never interested and I don’t know why.
Difference probably is that Browns will give him some Power, where as the Eagle HC probably is going to have No Power, not even control of the 53 man rosters, which is probably why we are the only team talking to candidates with no leverage, that no one else is interested in.
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Giants were also interested in Jackson, but I assume their GM WOULDNT give him any power like us, which is probably the only way someone could ever willingly choose to coach the Browns instead of one of the big franchises in the NFC East..
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I like having a team filled with players that ARENT getting arrested every summer, but like most things with Chip, I feel that he took This to EXTREMES!
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I assume he removed a ton of talent from our draft boards, some was probably justified, but I assume chip took it to extremes. Wonder how much talent we could have had, that chip removed from our board because he held guys to extreme standards like Passing on Kelvin Benjamin.. He wasn’t a criminal, Wasnt known as a bad locker room guy or someone who often failed drug tests… The knock on him if memory serves me correctly was not the greatest work ethic… I assume Marcus Peters was removed from our draft board, yet Andy Reid and KC love the kid and he is going to win rookie of the year
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Heck just look at last year, we lost Maclin, we were so weak at WR that chip felt the Need to sigń Miles friggin Austin… Yet if we had a coach with some tolerance, we could have traded peanuts for one of the Top WRs in the NFL Brandon Marshall.. With HOWIE in Charge, I think he will be more tolerant, more willijng to take some risk on HIGH REWARD Players.
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HOWIE never really brought in any complete scumbags, yet I think he would be more open to take fliers on elite Talent like Brandon Marshall. marcus Peters, Kelvin Benjamin, Lael Collins (you know HOWIE loves a bargain)
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HOWIE has done a good job of not adding scumbags, while still being tolerant enough to not hold kids to the extreme standards which probably limited us under chip
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For example, HOWIE is Probably more willing to take a flier on an Elite Talent like Josh Gordon, where as Chip WOULDNT even entertain it. The most chip would take a flier on is a former duck like Dion Jordan…
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HOWIE respects high end talent, and superstars more than chip ever did, hopefully he does a better job adding stars, where as chip got Rid of stars.
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Look forward to a Coach no longer being the face of the Eagles.
Im interested to see what some of the defensive players can do in a 4-3 with less time on the field. I dont think the Eagles had the LBs for a 3-4 after 3 uears but I know they will work for the 4-3.
I disagree. I think we absolutely had/have the LBs for a 3-4. We maybe could have used another stud rusher from OLB, but this team was built over 3 years into a respectable 3-4. Unfortunately, they’re playing 25 games where every other team is playing 16, so things broke down.
It ended up being about a game and half more based on snaps. Disagree strongly that they have the personnel to play a 3-4 even yet especially at LB.
They lack any kind of real pass rusher at OLB, ILB is still a big question mark even with Hicks back, and Barwin really regressed this year.
It wasn’t a matter of this defense being simply bad either after the bye for more than 1/2 of the year. They were historically awful.
If they go 4-3, get a competent defensive coordinator, and shore up a couple of real needs (nickel corner, a DE who can give them a bit of pass rush), I could see this being an average caliber defense instead of a sieve that gives up 400+ pts.
We’ll have to agree to disagree.
I think a competent DC would have gotten a lot more out of our ILBs than Davis did. And I believe they’re well suited for a 3-4. Alonso, for example, is a prototype ILB given his size and speed.
Barwin regressing does not mean that he’s bad for the 3-4. He’s a perfect 3-4 outside linebacker. Graham took big strides as an OLB, as well.
The problem isn’t that we don’t have the personnel, the problem is that we don’t have stars at certain positions. This is a very different thing. We have solid OLBs, but no stud OLB pass rush threat. Doesn’t mean the rest of the LBs are ill-suited.
Right now we have maybe one guy playing out of position in a 3-4, in Vinny Curry. We switch to a 4-3, we’ll still have guys out of position, like Barwin, as well as DL better suited for 3-4 DL, like Thornton.
The fact that we were not an excellent 3-4 defense does not mean we don’t have players for a 3-4 defense. It means partially that we’re just shy talent wise at certain positions, and there are also extenuating circumstances (not the best DC, way too many snaps played). I think a move to a 4-3 could be interesting, but this is not a 4-3 defense failing as a 3-4, as currently constructed. It’s a 3-4 defense not playing up to expectations.
I don’t even care about the scheme,.. I’m dying to see what our defenders can do with a HC who doesn’t feel the need to allow his offense to put an insane amount of added pressure on our defense.. Dying to see what our defenders can do with a coach who respects time of possession. dying to see what our defenders can do when our coordinator is open to running whatever works best instead of a head coach demanding that we play press man, single high safety every week
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Even if we end up with a DC that wants to keep us in a 3-4, I still think we will be surprised by how much better the Defense looks… Heck the defense was awesome the first half of the season and the way it completely imploded is not normal… A defense who shut down run games for like 2 years, lost a rookie LB and all of the sudden could stop anyones run game…that’s not normal, there had to be some serious issues for this to happen, defenders completely worn down from playing 3 extra games worth of snaos then the offense over the course of 2-3 years, guys Losimg faith in chip, not bringing the intensity they used to..
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Our ILBs went from a strength of the team to a weakness…..makes me think we should see a lot of improvements on defense next year no matter what svhemes we run… Very curious to see how different defenders look removing chips offense from the equation
Hue Jax is the new coach of Browns..
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Either the report that he left without a deal was wrong, or the Browns owners got nervous when he left and was on his way to NY to talk to the Giants, gave in, and made him the offer,. Shefty says the rush is that he was scheduled to go to the Giants now, and that the niners were interested and Browns wanted to lock him up before Those teams got a chance
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Sucks for Cincinatti… He should have replaced Marvin Lewis
Or maybe the NYG put the story out there to annoy Haslum.
These coaching-carousel rumors on twitter and PFT that commenters keep mentioning — over and over — as though they are factual are *not* factual.
They’re puffery passed on from agenda-driven sources.
Puffery, I like that.
There are reasons why Coughlin couldn’t work, no doubt. But I have to say, I would trust Coughlin to hire a quality coaching staff. He has to, imo, because X and Os aren’t exactly a strenght of his, but I think it would attract good candidates.
Plus: at least at DC and OC, the candidates could hope for an internal promotion if Coughlin retires. And I don’t think he’d coach for more than 3 years max.
There are maaaaany things I don’t like about Pederson, but near the top of the list is the quality of the coaching staff. Coughlin knows a lot of people and is respected by nearly anyone. With Pederson, he could offer freedom, which Coordinators to be obviously like, but there could also be a sense of: he’s not ready to be a HC and I don’t want to go down with this sinking ship.
With Coughlin, I think at least the perception could be: I will have freedom, but I can also learn from him in terms of leadership etc. It can be appealing to work for a legend, whatever magic he may or may not has left.
Something to consider with Coughlin: he had Brunell and Eli both in their primes while racking up those wins. I wonder how well he’d do in a situation with question marks at quarterback, like here. I don’t doubt the team would be well coached overall, but I’m not sure that would translate into wins.
While I really dislike Coughlin (largely because of his age) and making him the head coach, the idea of trying to find a guy who will be the next coach here for 10-15 years is almost equally as ridiculous. Just isn’t how the NFL works today.
Still think Lurie had serious ‘buyer’s remorse’ with giving Kelly so much power, was on the fence after the Skins blowout, and after the Monday press conference where Kelly claimed he wasn’t the GM Lurie decided to fire him that night/following day.
Lurie ended up making a somewhat emotional decision at the time without necessarily thinking about what the next steps were going to be. Instead, he just went back to the default FO setting with Roseman in charge and are now struggling to find a coach they like or think is ready.
They hoped against odds that Payton or Harbaugh (two guys Lurie knew) would somehow become available. Didn’t happen. They went after Gase but he went with the Dolphins’ job instead. Not sure if he ‘spurred the Eagles’ or he just preferred the FO and current roster there more.
Now the Eagles are now in limbo. They have to pick through scraps and leftovers. It is why they went to Reid and have taken asked him to make a recommendation about his staff hence the Pederson interview. Pederson was on no one’s radar even 2 weeks ago and it does strike me as a bit of desperation on Lurie’s part.
One coach has been hired, well 2 when the Jackson contract gets signed, so just because of that the Eagles are now “picking from the scraps”? That doesn’t make sense to me at all. The Eagles can set up interviews with whoever they want and those people would be the same people other teams interview so in no way are they picking from the scraps.
Good point. Maybe not ‘picking from scraps’ but just no definitive plan on who they want to interview with a pretty defined short list of candidates.
More of a potpourri approach at this point.
Touche sir.
these are all just conclusions/opinions. There’s no basis to think Lurie didn’t think hard about his FO set up. He’s probably been thinking about that for awhile as he considered getting rid of Chip. There is no basis for “they went after Gase”. They interviewed him then didn’t pursue. Makes a lot more sense to conclude they did not choose him, not vice versa.
you are just seeing what you want to see.
Its my own conjecture and I freely admit that.
ok fair enough!
Ideally:
HC: Coughlin (on a 2-3 year contract)
Assistant HC/OC: McAdoo (heir for coughlin)
DC: Jim Schwartz
Can’t assume you can get McAdoo for OC. Their new HC may retain him. Coach in waiting setup does not work either.
If you want to have both you give it to McAdoo and give Coughlin a senior coaching consultant title and let him be training wheels for McAdoo.
Tommy, since most of the candidates we’re looking at are offensive minded guys, I’m wondering if you could do profiles on some prospective defensive coordinators. I’m not even sure who’s available, who the hot guys are (?!), who certain candidates might be likely to take, etc. It’s not like there’s a list like there is for pending free agents. Just a thought for a new article.
Pepper Johnson would be my guy.
Mike Nolan just got out of his gig as LB coach for the Chargers so that he could pursue “other coaching opportunities”
Details on why Johnson? He’s never worked as a DC before. What does he bring to the table, in your opinion (I don’t have one, so I’m asking).
Also, thoughts on Nolan and why he’s a good or bad fit?
I’d love to hear your feedback, and anyone else’s, on who the candidates are and why they’d be good/bad. We’ve spent so much time talking about the HC candidates that this very important position has gone under the wire.
He was on the hoodies staff from ’00-’13 as DL and LB coach.
Went to Bills in ’14 and Jets in ’15 both as DL coach.
So he’s worked under Bill, Crennel, Magini, Pees, Patricia, Schwartz, Bowles,
That’s a pretty well regarded list of names.
wait, the Giants old LB? what’s he been up to?
Coaching DL and LB with the Pats
Who is Pepper? he sounds spicy so I like it. What has he done/worked?
See NY Giants in the 80’s.
See response to LAEagles below.
That’s assuming we hire a retread DC… Problem with this discussion is that there is a good possibility that we will hire some defensive position coach and elevate him to DC, which opens the search up to a huge pool of candidates
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The best we can probably do is to take 3 most likely coaching candidates, let’s say Doug, Mcadoo and Shurm, and look at some of the defensive position coaches on staffs they worked on… for example: Does Kansas City have any Experiemced position coaches that are just an opportunity away from becoming a Qualty defensive coordinator??… Just like Adam Gase, hired the CB coach of the Texans to be his defensive Coordmator in Miami..
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Although, if they go with a first time head coach, it is possible that they opt to go with some experiemce at DC, and Shwartz and the big name retreads come into play
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Mike Vrabel looks like a solid DC in training from the little we Saw in HardKnocks as the Texans LB coach, but its probably too soon for Him to become a DC..
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Lol our we can go the Opposite direction like the Colts who are hiring fallen Headcoach joe Phylbin as their Offensive Line coach.,. I want to see chip forced to take a job coaching RB’s lol
No, not assuming a retread at all. For example, people were talking about Vance Johnson in conjunction with Gase back before both went to the Dolphins. D3FB brings up Pepper Johnson. I’m asking, who are potential DCs, whether retreads or not.
When a new HC is hired, and it’s not Shurmur – is he still the OC or will the new HC have a say on who is coaches are? (or has Shurmur and Davis been relieved of duties?)
They have not been released from the team yet so they are under contract. It will be up to the new head coach as to who he wants to keep or let go. I hope he keeps a good amount of the staff i.e. Staley, Shurmur, Undlin, Fipp, Stout, if Azz is willing to stay him to. Everyone else can go.
New coach at least interviews all existing coaches and then retains a few.
that puts them in a tough situation I guess. Can’t interview for any jobs that aren’t a move up until they are released right?
A little bit but not hugely. They are all making calls right now to see what their buddies have open. Teams all understand that. If the Eagles have to wait until after the SB then that’s going to be tough because the musical chairs will be just about over. But some college stuff tends to open in the late spring or summer for the lower level guys. All the position coaches and higher all make enough money that if they have to sit a year it’s not the end of the world.
anyone you hope we keep around?
If Shurmur had spend 3 seasons working for Kelly in Tampa Bay — after his prior 4 seasons as an OC-HC with an offense never finishing higher than 25th — how do you think the folks here would react if he was suggested as the next OC?
Honestly in that scenario I think more than a few people would be interested in Chip for OC haha or HC. Anyway, yeah they would be horrified. As it sits now I think Shurmur would represent and intriguing synthesis as OC (some are pretty warm on the idea of him being HC) if we go ahead and sign Sam. For most people anyway. I wouldn’t throw a tantrum, but I might be a little disappointed.
Not a lot of quality out there – not a lot of imagination in the FO either.
A —
Great point that probably doesn’t get enough attention.
let alone HC
Undlin. Fipp. Duce. Michael Clay, Press Taylor, Justin Peele
OMG, Coach . . .
You’re willing to let Shurmur walk?!
But he’s our only hope for keeping Bradford.
Mr. Irony said so!
I’ll be disappointed if we keep sam, so ok.
We’d have a bitter irony then
but draft is after FA, so aren’t we really signaling our draft picks (first round) if we let Bradford go and just have Sanchez after FA is done.
To a degree. But if someone else wants to trade up they’ll either have more or less to trade than us. If not then we get our guy. No one is gonna go oh well we were gonna trade you the pick but you didn’t throw in an extra 4 so now we’re taking Goff.
Responded to your tweet btw.
Continuity points to Shumur & Pederson; McAdoo isn’t in this mold so much but rather as a re-cast of the AK model. This seems like a real stretch to extrapolate AK’s success onto another coach who took a similar route. There’s not much substance from which to project.
AR?
andrei kirilenko
Yes, thanks.
I don’t understand why continuity is the primary concern. Go get the best coach. Period. If that means there will be a bit of a shake up… great. Why are we trying to continue a 7-9 team? Sam Bradford is by no means a clear, must keep QB that we have to appease to convince to stay. On top of that, if the coach likes Bradford, he will always have the option to franchise him, and wouldn’t be at a DISadvantage in terms of signing Bradford to an extension. Beyond the debate of keeping Bradford, what other reason is there for “continuity?”
“Sam Bradford is by no means a clear, must keep QB that we have to appease to convince to stay.”
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Heresy!
Winning teams have stability; losing teams have constant changes in front offices, coaches, and at key positions.
With all due respect, that logic is faulty for maintaining stability. Winning teams are stable. That doesn’t mean stability leads to winning. Same type of logic as “when X team has large number of run plays, they win the majority of games.” That doesn’t mean you should run a lot to guarantee a win, but instead that winning teams tend to have more runs because they are preserving a lead as the game ends. We need to be good enough to be able to justify being “stable.” You can’t just be stable for stability sake. That gets you nowhere.
To me, go get the best coach, whether that is a guy that will maintain the same system/team/etc or not. A good coach will provide the needed stability long term. Also, if stability and consistency is the goal, we should have just stuck with Chip.
Shefter on radio here in DC “If I had to mock, I’d mock McAdoo to the Eagles and Marrone to the Giants”
based on?
spidey sense
yes sensei
Not sure he has heard anything concrete. I think he was just going off of rumors. Like Tommy said, could just be agents feeding him BS.
He does have good sources.
Chip is like “that” ex gf you grow to hate more and more each and every day..
C’mon you’d still “do” him, you know it.
go ugly early…
Jeff McLane@Jeff_McLane
Doug Pederson on his interview with the #Eagles: “Gosh, it went great. It was a great opportunity to see Howie again and Mr. Lurie.”
I always thought Opie Taylor would be a good HC
Gosh, I was that wish that was a mocked tweet.
Alas, it was not.
what? that doesnt speak leader of men to anyone
That sounds too much like Phil Simms.
Random questions for everyone. I notice some people are on both sides of the Sam Bradford debate as to whether keep him or let him walk. My thoughts on this are that with a new HC coming in that in no way should the Eagles invest big money and precious cap space on Bradford. This team isn’t winning the SB next year and most likely not the next year so why give an inconsistent QB with a long injury history so much money? IMO hire your new coach and let him pick and groom his own starting QB, that way you have a bunch of money to use on FA and the draft to build the team in his vision.
Entire comment . . . heresy!!!
Completely agree. Why tie up all that money when there are so many holes to fill on the roster as it is. And all that money Chip Kelly the idiot GM sank into goddam Demarco Murray and freaking suck boy Byron Maxwell.
Murray was a huge waste of money. The Maxwell deal I didn’t think was so bad as he was the best corner available on a weak market. Maxwell was also not used correctly all year. He is a press man corner that the Eagles never had press and get his hand on the opposing wide receiver to knock him off his route. A new DC could get more out of him then Davis did.
He is also not paid as much as many fans seem to think. I believe he’s like the 12th highest cb cap hit in the league, and will be similar this year (after the next big fa deals happen in the spring).
He’s expensive and overpaid, but we’re not actually paying top dollar.
just one question — what if they don’t get a QB in the draft to groom?
They AREN’T getting a QB in this draft to groom. They have a first rounder then a third rounder. They need to fill so many spots on the OL it’s sick.
if pedersen wants bradford will you go crazy?
He wouldn’t be Andy Reid’s prodical son if he wanted Bradford. It’s fukcing impossible. It’s like inventing sunlight when there’s already sunlight!
Noted.
gotta reach with that first, Wentz
You win 6 games with mark instead of 8 with Sam.
Sanchez is awful.
That is funny! But he said we’re not getting a QB to groom.
So you’re drafting 8 in 2017 with a full bevy of picks.
I’m on board. The team is re-set on a 3 year plan again. Anything to get the ship in the right direction.
Let me put it this way. You can have George Illoka, Mitchell Schwartz, JR Sweezy, Marvin Jones, and maybe Wisnewski for the price of Bradford and Thurmond.
You think Lurie is ready to start tanking seasons looking for qbs? It’ll be interesting after firing Chip b/c he wants to wins – Andy was rarely under 10 wins but if he was we came back the next year and killed it – is going to make a uninspiring coaching hire and let that guy tank and draft a coach?
I can’t imagine the fanbase or the media watching a 4 win team and likely the year after, mean while the rest of the team continues to age?
That’s why you get your guy this year.
I’d rather be bad to blah a year than continually mediocre with a $20 million QB.
Well said. I will be using this to respond to people below.
I’ll have to read your article on potential franchise qbs.
Goff. Sell the farm. Pick 13, 3rd and next years 1.
Wentz. Needs to sit a year. But has franchise potential. Could go as early as 20 and as late as third depending on his offseason.
Lynch- Don’t have a great handle. Raw skills. Alot of things bug me. Not sure where I fall yet.
No interest in the rest
so we could most likely take Wentz at 13. Would you do that?
I’d move back. He literally has to sit a year. Unless he straight up crushes it in offseason stuff no one is touching him til mid 20s.
Im not buying this, his stock will rise as the QBs always do. He of all the guys Im reading about sounds like the potential alone will catapult his stock.
He started like 20 games at the FCS level. His tape is very toolsy but not at all polished. He absolutely needs to sit. You can’t take him that high. His stock will come back to earth just like Lynch’s did.
The only problem is – none of those guys are guaranteed to be as good as Bradford is now. I get the case for starting from scratch, and I understand that the new HC may want to do so (for whatever reason), but I’m also aware that one of the best teams this season didn’t put all their QB eggs in the draft basket. Playing the QB powerball *could* be a decade long trip through the Cleveland Siberia.
If the new HC makes that call, then fine, I’ll be behind it (He’ll have more info and he’s ultimately the chef, so gotta give him space to create), but I’m not on the “Sam can never be any good, and we’ll draft a great QB next year!” bus. Most likely, that bus ends with Fletcher Cox having wasted his best years here.
Or you can tie 25% of you cap up in Cox and Bradford and become the Saints post 2012 with a shittier QB.
You can just as quickly destroy your team with cap hell as you can looking for a QB.
The Browns are the Browns because they can’t draft anyone period. They have like 10 good picks in franchise history. If you just can’t find a QB but do fine everywhere else you the Jets or the Bills. WHich is about how good Sam Bradford Eagles will be.
Well, I guess this turns on how much you plan on tying up with Bradford. 25M per? I’m with you. 18M per, with the cap going up and the ability to drop some expensive vets? I’m okay with Sam at that number. In between those numbers is where it gets trickier, and length and guaranteed amounts become more relevant. And while it’s better than the Browns, I’m not sure too many Eagles fans will be happy with a decade of being the Bills or even the Bengals. I’m pretty sure I won’t be.
Mediocre if Bradford stays healthy which is a very big if
Rather have 1st pick.
Coach . . .
Saw the chameleon breakdown.
Yes. Many times.
Thanks.
Rather get 0-1 wins then 6.
Oh you pull the plug with a month to go and 4 wins. But a full season of both trying full out, would be 8 wins vs 6.
Outside of not having that 2nd round pick they do have a good amount of picks in this draft. So it is possible that they don’t find their QB of the future in this draft and if that is the case then they’ll either have to sign a QB or wait until the following year. I don’t think getting a QB this year is mandatory as they can fill multiple other holes instead.
Sign what QB.
Google list of available QBs this offseason as I don’t feel the need to type every single one down. It is absolutely possible that a new HC may prefer a guy like Osweiler to Bradford.
haha you think broncos will let BO go? Might as well get Nick Foles back here
It was an example friend, basically me saying that a new HC could prefer a different QB then Bradford.
Yeah but ones that are really available – maybe hoyer, though he could get locked up, maziel, rgiii. Lots of these guys will be cheap, if i’m a new coach i’m not willing to lose my job behind one of these guys though.
I guess that’s big question. How do you tell 52 other players that Sanchez is the QB but we’re building for the future and right now, we have no future QB. By week 3 they’ll mail in the season.
(can’t they tag Bradford?) — I’m not saying he’s the answer. They have to find a balance between playing for the future and not losing the locker room in the process…
Why is Denver letting Osweiler go if he’s so good? Osweiler is timid, not sure he’s right for Philly. I think new coach likely would have Bradford at top of list.
Look down, that was just an example I used to state that a new coach might not even want Bradford.
Hardest part of getting a good QB is getting them onto your team. They arguably could have already passed that hurdle with Bradford. Now it’s time to pay him.
So a mediocre team should pay a mediocre QB $20 mil a year? Well with that logic we might as well get used to the Eagles being a bad team.
Probably have to do that anyway if you’re betting on hitting the jackpot in the draft.
Posted this idea on twitter to Kempski and got no response back. What if we let Bradford walk and don’t draft a QB? Let it be known to all UDFA’s that there is an open competition in Philly and get a chance to comb through the scrap pile to QB our 2016 (rough riding campaign).
During the draft you trade away #13 for an early 2nd round pick plust next year’s 1st (plus hopefully some other small pick) from a team you predict will suck next year.
I’d like to add flipping this year’s 4th for a 2017 3rd and this year’s 6th for a 7th and future 7th.
2017 looks like :
2 1st round picks
1 2nd round pick
2 3rd round picks
1 4th
1 5th
1 6th
2 7th
In 2017, try to trade your 2nd round pick for a 2018 1st round pick. Rinse and repeat.
2016 draft (intentionally) would be uninspiring.
0 1st
1 2nd
0 3rd
2 4th
1 5th
0 6th
2 7th
Do the best you can this year to draft Oline and DBs. And get commits as UDFAs who feel they have a shot to make this team.
Go out and have a shot to win a crappy NFC East division next year with young guys, or lose a lot and have really good picks in 2017.
is that you Sam Hinkie?
Told you Chip Kelly would be fired.
Told you to sell stocks out of your 401k.
NOW, I am telling you Doug Pederson is the next Eagles coach.
NOW, I am telling you Mark Sanchez is your starting QB next year.
Wait…are you Jimmy Kempski?!
LOL!
Sanchez isn’t the answer.
I think he’s saying – there is no answer for QB yet…
Huh? It’s a prediction.
Sanchez starts next season. (he said) You said “he’s not the answer”…. EGB never said he was the answer…
Yeah so. He’s not the answer meaning I don’t know why he’s certain new coach wants Sanchez. I didn’t think it was complicated.
THe new coach probably just doesn’t want to pay Bradford all that money because without an offensive line it doesn’t matter who the qb is.
Yeah so that doesn’t mean Sanchez is who the new coach wants at QB.
He is under contract so yeah, that means a lot.
You got those Powerball Numbers?
I was walking out of the liquor store the other night and I told the 10 people waiting in line that they weren’t going to win. Looks like I was right there.
what made you decide to use this persona today?
The stock market is taking….like I predicted!
You and everyone else. Big deal. It’s on China, Nostradumbass.
Yeah but I actually sold everything. Like last week.
why dont you change your name to NostradamusEagle or something genius like that…
When this account gets deleted I will.
fingers crossed
You also told us you would eat your own poop if Bradford started 4 games.
No I said I would eat my own poop if Bradford started 19 games like some idiot predicted.
No, really, it was 4 games. See attached visual evidence. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/acc352212914219b636268f5752e4d85138c0f9962d71465fd58f1f7add98261.png
Nice photoshop kid
It’s okay. We both know you scrolled back through you comments to find the truth.
Miami- Adam Gase
Cleveland- Hue Jackson
My predictions:
Tampa- Tampa- Dirk Koetter
Tennessee- Josh McDaniels
New York- Bob McAdoo
Philadelphia- Doug Pederson
San Fransisco- Chip Kelly
Bob “Can Do” McAdoo – Naismith HOF
Sweetest shooting big-man in NBA history.
– All American at UNC in 1972.
– NBA ROY 1973 with the Buffalo Braves
– NBA MVP 1975 w/ Buff
– NBA vagabond from ’76-’80 (Knicks, Nets, Celts, Pistons)
– Sixers’ heart-breaker after joining the Lakers in ’82 finals
Serious question, has Tennessee been linked to McDaniels? I have not been following their search.
how can Tenn not meet with Chip just to hear him out.
theyve been super quiet on everything, nobody knows
Marcus got hurt last year and maybe they feel Chip will run him too much. They probably saw his accuracy as a passer and want someone to build on that, not get him crushed by a DE or legal hit like Suggs did to Bradford in the preseason.
I’m sure Chip’s personality didn’t help either.
Because he is horrible. Chip Kelly is cancer.
I thought when McAdoo got to the Giants their offense was in disarray and I think their offense is STILL in disarray. Fuck that guy.
you’re very vulgar recently
I watched Wolf of Wall Street last night.
your chest must be sore
uh huh uh huh huh uh huhh uh hu uh huh uhh huh
Well, I watch Titanic and I am still feeling sensitive…
Great date movie.
Great flick.
Absolute classic.
Yup..one of my favourite flicks of the past few years
From everything I’ve read out of SF, it won’t be Kelly there.
Sounds like that may have changed since Hue Jackson got hired in Cleveland.
I’m not a big fan of Laquon Treadwell
I am a big fan of an offensive tackle
Qbs drafted since mcnabb
Matt Barkley (4)
Nick Foles (3)
Mike Kafka (4)
Kevin Kolb (2)
Andy Hall (6)
AJ Feely (5)
Not an inspiring list.
Kafka Kolb and Feely were good.
Kafka is my favorite jersey.. wear it every Sunday in the summer
He was a fourth round pick 6 years ago and is still playing. That’s not a bad resume at all. He will work as a coach for Reid some day. Mark those words. Mark it!
if good means barely capable backups, sure
For a backup Feeley was about as good as it gets.
cmon, with Sachez being the best you may be right lol. That little streak he had got him some coin. Matt Cassel too although Matt is still riding that train.
I will never hate on Feely. He took over in a season we thought would be over and made it fun.
Feely won us many games and took us to the playoffs then we traded him for a second rounder. Not sure how you dont like him. You must be a fukcing Dallas fan. You cockaroach!!!
youre still really bad at insults but keep trying, youll get it one day
8-3 Eagles called on Feeley to preserve the team’s Super Bowlaspirations, after McNabb and Detmer went down with injuries that would keep them out of action until the playoffs. Feeley surprisingly helped lead the Eagles to four straight wins, and secured the number one seed in the playoffs.
You probably don’t remember Detmer’s injury against San Fran. How old are you?
if we want to hold that up as great moments in Eagles history then were worse off than I thought. Im amazed based on your comments youre old enough to go back that far, stunning development, or stunted in your case
How can you say that for a third string qb, that isn’t good? Are you on drugs?
sure it was great at the time, then he went to Miami and fizzled out. Im amazed hes still playing. This started with calling them good QBs
FOr a fifth round draft pick to come in and win 4 games out of five to preserve the team’s number one ranking in the conference….you can’t even write a better script. He was good. and it was a GREAT FANTASTIC AS GOOD AS IT GETS pick.
To be fair, his oline in Miami was actually just a line of seats they’d ripped out of the stands.
“Are you on drugs?”
You say that like it’s a bad thing.
He’s predicting that they’ll be good in the future.
I hated the Kolb pick at the time because I felt like McNabb still had fuel in the tank and that pick could have been used for better purposes, like getting Donovan a wr.
All of those guys except Kolb were projected to be backups.
Barkley was bad. But the rest were good picks. That good ole jolly Fat Reid.
Reid was good at churning backup QBs for picks.
If you want to win a bet, place money *against* any QB in the draft being successful. You’ll win far more often than you lose, even with 1st rounders.
Very valid point.
I’m leaving until free computer time at the juve delinquent center is over.
when I win the lottery one of my first actions will be getting a moderator here.
When you win, you’ll be able to buy the team and pay cash. If you do, in have two requests…bring back Kelly Green and hire Tommy.
Team valuation is $2.5 billion. Lump sum after taxes is like $600 million.
Wheres the rest?
Oh, I see you haven’t met my investment manager, Charles Ponzi. He assures me the returns will be high enough to afford that in a few years.
Duh, taxpayers. Isn’t that how Lurie did it?
holy shit why is this italics.
He can buy the defensive line and switch it to a 4-3…
Though I guess, technically, Doug Martin owns the defensive line…
debt? Isn’t that how it’s done
Yes but a bank is going to want some kind of company (showing business acumen) rather than a stack of money as collateral.
well it seems hard to lose money while owning a sports team. And I would have a full slate of IB posters behind me as my think tank. Really owning a team would be too much work for me. I can buy great tickets, etc.
I mean it’s F you money. With 500 mil leftover.
that’s the best kind of money.
option 2: Shark Tank!!
Yeah, looks like someone’s meds wore off.
It’s perplexing that not replying to the troll is that difficult.
It’s perplexing with the amount of valid and correct points I make I am still considered a troll. I think these guys are butt hurt because they can’t forward think as well as me.
I think people would value your points and opinions if you weren’t constantly such a smug asshole while constantly calling people names and forever coming with grade school insults. If you changed up your tone a little you would be better accepted by the people here.
Really I don’t care if people accept me. The more you change to accommodate others is the less useful you are. I’ll never change the way I am to make others happy.
Really I came on here and just dogged the hell out of Chip Kelly. Everyone got all sensitive and stuck up for him. I was right they were wrong. They need to change, not me.
Please don’t feed the troll…
I am not feeding Roy, just trying to express how his complaints about people calling him a troll could come to an end. Clearly there is no middle ground with a person like him. Seems like an attention seeking petulant child.
I am going to continue to come on here and post my opinions whether you “feed” me or not. I post this stuff to make you smarter. Not for some personal gain. Although I really do looking back and reading all of my comments and marvel at how dead on accurate they were. Like that time I busted everyone’s balls for thinking the Eagles were going to win the Super Bowl after the preseason game against Green Bay. LOL. I said guys, calm the fukc down, you just won the pre-season Super Bowl championship. Not the REAL one. I said that offensive line is so bad they will get Chip Kelly fired. And look what happened.
When Tommy posts during the day, the tendency for the children to chase the troll. I did see a comment from AC Viking that was worth reading…and typical douche is arguing with me over how best to react to the troll. (He thinks reformation is possible.) It would seem to me, if we look at who writes the comment and then we never read/respond to the troll, he’ll go somewhere else.
that just seems impractical, there is an ebb and flow here and people re-enter or enter for the first time and don’t know the rule, or choose not to follow it. Seems much harder to make happen compared to just giving 1-2 people moderator rights, which I understand from other posters is easy to do.
I was arguing? I wouldn’t define me making a point as arguing man. I told the troll what he can do about being called a troll and that’s it. You actually weren’t even in the conversation really so I don’t know how it was that me and you were arguing.
Eagles should hire Coach Kline.
+
+ Farmer Fran?
The Waterboy could come along as the new defensive coordinator
As long as he bring his “tackling fuel’ mentality that could help Kendricks and Alonso I’ll be ecstatic.
That would be nice. I can hear Kiko now after a helmet to helmet hit on Romo “it’s ok Mr. Coach Kline said I could”
Chargers hired Ken Whisenhunt as their OC. Not surprising. He was their OC in 2013 before getting the Titans’ HC job.
Hue I hardly knew ya.
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Would not be surprised at all if Eagles and Giants had their coach in the next 24-48 hours as well
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So it cannot be Pederson right?! Or can you hire someone whose team is still in the playoffs?!
No, you can’t hire them. Some think that JLC might not meant have literally signed the HC. Last year, everyone knew that the Falcons were hiring Dan Quinn when his team was still in the playoffs.
Got ya.
stop chasing your tail. He is saying nothing based on nothing. Look I can do it.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Eagles hired McAdoo.
Wouldn’t be surprised if the Eagles hired Pederson.
Wouldn’t be surprised if the Eagles hire a new HC before free agency starts.
Heard from the Giants owner that Lurie said the TC interview went really well. Wow that’s interesting b/c that’s what any polite person would say. Wouldn’t be surprised if TC is the next Eagles HC.
blah blah blah
well, I heard from a guy, who knows a guy, who knows a guy, who knows a guy, who has a friend that knows a guy, that knows a guy that said… Eagles will hire a HC before the draft AND he wouldn’t be surprised at all if that happened….
blah blah blah
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Thank you.
I’m grateful to Greg Richards for compiling these items and sharing them with us.
Too often, though, these blurbs get treated as scientific fact.
And up pops a 300-word treatise invariably ending with, “Hire Shumur and re-sign SAM.”
The best thing Shurmer has going for him right now is that his name gets spelled correctly on this board. Allegedly, this is the reason “Hugh” didn’t get and interview..
Peterson is in trouble then
Now that jacksons been locked up..lets just go ahead and pull the trigger on Mcadoo. Let the giants search for a new head coach and offensive coordinator and have eli and the beckham bunch have to learn a brand new system again.
I’m ok with McAdoo. Don’t love or hate him. But I’m pissed the Eagles didn’t even try to interview Hue Jackson though.
Looked earlier at potential DCs under Pederson. There’s a lot of intersect, but doing the same with McAdoo:
Winston Moss, AHC/LBs coach, Green Bay: With McAdoo in 2004 in NO and throughout his GB run.
Mike Nolan, LBs coach with SDG last year(resigned to pursue other opportunities): SF’s head coach in 2005 when McAdoo was OL/OQC, also shares agent.
Bob Sanders, ARZ LBs coach, GB’s DC from 2006-2008 when McAdoo was there
Kurt Schottenheimer, currently out of coaching, Packers’ secondary coach from 2006-8, DC earlier in his career with KC/WAS/DET
Joe Whitt, Jr, Packers’ CBs coach, some believe he’s ready to be DC
Mike Trgovac, Packers’ DL coach since 2009, Panthers’ DC from 2003-8
Darren Perry, Packers’ Ss coach since 2009, IIRC was targeted by Reid when they hired Castillo
Perry Fewell, Redskins’ DBs coach, was Giants’ DC in 2014 when McAdoo was OC, also shares agent with McAdoo
Steve Spagnuolo, Giants’ DC last year, also shares agent with McAdoo
As reported before, guys who share agents with McAdoo:
Lou Anarumo, ex-DC, MIA; Leslie Frazier, ex-DC, TB; Ed Donatell, DBs coach, CHI
“Mike Trgovac, Packers’ DL coach since 2009, Panthers’ DC from 2003-8.”
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Solid choice for whomever the Eagles hire.
Seem to recall Reid wanted him after 2010, but Trgovac didn’t want to move his family at the time.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-eagles/Is_Trgovac_an_Eagles_DC_candidate.html
Also . . . DL coach for Rhodes in ’95-’98.
I don’t know if i love that GB coaching tree for defense. If we had someone with more experience with say STL/CLE/JJ Eagles, i could maybe get behind that kind of candidate.
I’m surprised at how much people are talking here about winning the lottery. Hope is quite the drug.
Americans hate taxes. And no matter how low they make the odds of winning $1b they’re will to toss in $500m per week for the chance.
we have like 20 people in a work pool. Would be awesome when 20 people all quit. See, now I’m talking about it.
I put into the pool at work, too. I know the numbers and the fact that I am just making a donation to older Pennsylvanians, but it gives me the piece of mind that I won’t be one of the three employees left to pick up the pieces after all the newly rich quit.
that was my reply, they said you want it I said of course b/c if I am left behind I’ll be so depressed the rest of my life. It’s almost more about the downside risk.
If the compulsive lottery players just took their money every week and stuck it in an IRA . . .
By the time they stopped working, they’d have some real money.
I agree lotto is nonsense, but IRAs haven’t been doing good for over a decade. At the slow rate my retirement funds are growing, I’ll be working 10 to 15 years longer to retire than what my financial adviser told me 12 years ago…that’s assuming we eventually return to 6-8% average annual returns.
tough to overcome your advisor’s fees.
Fortunately, switched to Vanguard funds years ago.
FAs are the worst. You’re probably better off in wealthfront, at least they won’t jack you on fees.
Understand. The meltdown didn’t help.
I’m thinking more about the long-term value of monthly contributions.
I’ve switched gears into paying off my house, which should be done in 4 years. It’s a low interest rate, but without that payment, I saw firsthand how much my parents saved when they got to their 50s with zero debt.
Great point.
I’ll let you know tomorrow morning how my retirement plan worked
the lottery is like a poor tax.
at $1b jackpots even my bosses are playing.
yes but not at the % of their income that the poor play.
And a tax for being bad at math.
I rather pay tax on winning the lottery than on financing a new NFL stadium.
Powerball – “oh look at this huge jackpot everyone remember go out and buy lots of tickets”
Daily Fantasy – “omg gambling think of the children it will ruin America”
Powerball is regulated as gambling. Daily Fantasy is unregulated. That’s the concern of most people. If you want to sell gambling, play by the rules.
Exactly. The fact that the fantasy outlets try to argue that it’s not gambling is ridiculous beyond belief. If it’s not gambling, then sell it on how fun it is, instead of “I won $1000 in my first week!” Except that it’s not fun in and of itself, because it’s gambling, so you can’t sell it on that.
I have to admit I don’t understand the test – is it that it’s predominantly skill or luck? Because I do think when 1% wins 90% there is skill. But really, if poker is gambling so is this. I have the same 3% chance of winning poker against professionals (pure card luck) as I would at daily fantasy.
The other reason I hate daily fantasy is that the teams are in bed with it, but the teams think we will all go hell if I could bet $5 on the Eagles on a Sunday. In that way it’s just the rich getting richer by making up the rules, and that drives me nuts. This is the case where they really overtly did change the rules (the law).
My personal favorite is the fact that MLB owns a stake in one of the companies (Fanduel or DraftKings) and still won’t let Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame. It’s pretty much the height of hypocrisy. I mean, like Roy Cohn levels.
Head Coach Pat Shurmur
Offensive Coordinator Kevin Wilson
Defensive Coordinator Ray Horton
The OC is probably the one I’m going to get ripped for. Hear me out. Shurmur and Wilson are the two offensive coaches Bradford has had the most success under (other than Chip Kelly….I proceed to hide). Wilson could be a surrogate Chip and keep the best of his ideas with the team, while Shurmur could make the playbook more voluminous with more traditional West Coast concepts. Even if Bradford is gone, then these two would do well with someone like Carson Wentz (my favorite QB in the draft). The idea of a new and improved Shurmur appeals to me. I don’t get why people think the fact that he failed with the Browns means he can’t ever be a good head coach.
I love the LeBeau 3-4, so that’s why I like Horton. He’s more creative with blitz concepts than Davis is and I never saw the scheme as the problem. Frankly, the 4-3 would create a bunch of new problems. Barwin would be completely useless, as he cannot be a SAM and you limit his game as an exclusive pass rusher. The LBs would have no depth and neither would the DL (Hart and Bair are probably gone, and who knows if Beau could play in a 4-3?). Go with a more creative, often 1-gapping 3-4. Horton will do that.
I like that 1 gapping 3-4 scheme
Bum Phillips was a defensive mastermind. He’s the one who made it legitimate.
Oilers . . . With the likes of Robert Brazile, Curly Culp, Elvin Bethea, Greg Bingham, Ted Washington, Mike Reinfelt, Greg Stemrick.
Giants, with Parcells as the DC in 1981 (to HC Ray Perkins), used the 2-gap.
Eagles, under DC Marion Campbell, also 2-gapped
You would have to offer Horton the assistant HC job as well because he is currently the DC in TEN.
I would happily do that. Also, I don’t know if Mularkey really will be the guy and if he’d keep Horton.
why can’t barwin make a decent SAM? he covers TEs well, he can blitz well
Barwin can do that every now and then in the 3-4. I do not want him doing that 50-60% of the time, which is what he’d do in a 4-3.
Carlos Emmons came from a 3-4 and did a very good job for us as a 4-3 SAM. I see no reason why Barwin can’t drop 10 pounds and do the same.
i seem to recall a few years back when we all were arguing over where to find a prototypical SAM for the 43. i asked the entire board to name the ideal, contemporary, prototypical SAM (as in, best one playing right now). nobody could name one then. is there one currently in the league you’d identify as an ideal example? not for us to pick up, but for me to compare to Barwin?
KJ Wright
ok now i’m learning something! “Contending with lead blockers in the run game and still being able to drop and cover tight ends requires a skill set that is becoming increasingly difficult to find, especially as tight ends become ever more athletic and dangerous in space, so the SAM linebacker is becoming ever more a two-down player — a run specialist that gets replaced when teams go to nickel defense for more athletic and fluid players in coverage. K.J. Wright is the latest prototype for this position, capable in coverage and a solid player against the run even when faced with lead blockers up at the line of scrimmage.
Alternate Prototypes: Erin Henderson, Justin Durant”
anyway, barwin might not be prototypical there, but the job description seems in his wheelhouse. he’d at least be adequate there while we build.
“Contending with lead blockers in the run game and still being able to drop and cover tight ends requires a skill set that is becoming increasingly difficult to find[.]”
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To that point . . . during the Reid era, the Eagles never could find a replacement for SLB Carlos Emmons — and that’s more than a decade ago.
yeah it pretty much never happened!
Eagles had trouble finding replacements for a lot of players. Which is odd continuing they ran the same scheme for a long time.
we had a really hard time drafting defensive talent for a while there. the linebacker situation from 2005 to 2013, for example, or the dream team secondary.
Invited to interview Eagles players by Eagles last summer. Late last night claimed Coughlin was getting 2nd interview. See if he’s right…
Ryan T. Woodhams @CRASHSports1 13m13 minutes ago
#Eagles expected to announce HC in next 36 hours
So Coughlin had a second interview?!
no no no. This was reported by a non reporter, then picked up by “CRASHsports” whatever that is.
This is a 15-year old kid making stuff up.
LOL
I have no confidence that the Eagles know what they are doing.
Ha! And they call me a negative nelly.
Its not that I dislike McAdoo, Coughlin, Pederson, etc. Its that, based on the past 10 years of internal dysfunction, what evidence do we have that they will make the right choice? Even if they do hire a good coach I believe Lurie has created a broken culture within the organization. A broken process creates broken results.
Dianna Marie Russini
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Mike Shanahan strongly back in the mix with the 49ers. Looks like they are closing in on a decision per sources. #49ers
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haha good luck to them
so RG3 is not going to san fran, haha
https://twitter.com/JoshPaunil/status/687371073701175296
Hmm…Survive? Thrive?
The media can’t seem to understand how their contacts, ex-Eagle’s employees, can say so many bad things about Howie and he still has success. I dunno, maybe their sources are bitter, unemployed, ex-employees with an agenda.
A greater mystery is Fisher and the Rams….
That guy must have some serious dirt on ownership.
that guy must have some serious dirt on his chin
Issues with Roseman have been mentioned by numerous, independent sources. If it was one person bashing Howie, I would agree that its suspect, however, in this case, its many people who have worked with Roseman. Do not fall into the trap of messenger bias. Evaluate every statement independent from its source. In this case we have multiple people stating the same thing: Howie has been able to avoid all accountability and is the source for much of the dysfunction in the Novacare complex.
It’s 2 guys who yell the loudest.
How can you evaluate the sources when the media doesn’t name them? We know some of them because they have been openly critical of Howie.
Avoid all accountability, I hear that a lot. Accountability for what exactly?
The draft? Howie has only had a few drafts in between Andy and Chip, which seem relatively successful. It’s funny how Marcus Smith had a good game once allowed playing time when Chip was gone.
Contracts? Howie seems good at that.
Free agents? Dream team was horrible but I have to think Andy was heavily involved in that too. DeMarco, LeSean, Maclin…that’s on Chip. DeSean, that’s a toss up. Disappears in the red zone, prime for injuries, attitude, high salary, all those factors could lean either way.
Relationships to other employees? Nobody outside the organization can speak to that. More importantly, who cares if he is a tyrant if he does the other stuff well.
Right, so you have multiple people who have worked with Howie, like Louis Riddick, who have been openly critical of Howie and a bunch of unnamed sources all saying the same thing. Based on this evidence there must be some basis in reality to these allegations.
Beyond Howie, based on all the internal issues and power struggles that have occurred over the last 10 years, why does anyone think things have changed and the front office is going to get it right now?
Lurie created this mess and unfortunately I don’t see it changing.
Again, how is any of this relevant if the draft, free agents, and salary cap are good?
Louis Riddick is not in the NFL for a reason. If he was good at his job, another team would have picked him up, instead he now works for ESPN. If he truly thought he had a future in the NFL, he would not jump to ESPN when there is opportunity for a 7 figure salary at some point working for an NFL team.
Internal issues and power struggles, you just described every large company in the world where an up-and-comer has aspirations to take his boss’s job.
I ask again, how is any of this relevant if the draft, free agents, and salary cap are good?
Am I arguing with Howie under an alias? Howie is just a symptom of the dysfunction not the source.
The drafts haven’t been good. Fletcher Cox is the only great player we have to show for the drafts Howie has supposedly been responsible for.
If Howie is so great why was he demoted by Lurie?
Re Riddick – Again, messenger bias. Look it up. These aren’t hack reporters publishing these reports.
We haven’t won anything and our front office has been a mess since Lurie bought the team with the exception of the Modrak/Banner years. The best organizations have always had stability at the top. I work in the fortune 50, the best companie have competent and stable leadership. Are you really saying that the Eagles have this?
I believe Howie should be judged on his results. You and many others believe he should be judged by the media’s perception of his personality.
I realize I don’t think like too many other fans. I am a scientist, I look at the data. Data to me is drafts, cap, free agents, trades, etc., as a whole, not individually. I disregard the outside noise. Others tend to disregard the data all together and pay attention to the noise.
Funny that as a scientist you would disregard the testimonial evidence (data) of many former members of the front office and the media reporting anonymous sources (more data) all saying that there is dysfunction in the front office. Furthermore, you are ignoring the evidence/data of the onfield performance of the Lurie regime which has yielded few onfield successes and zero superbowls. Further data that you seem willing to ignore is the poor drafts that we have had that we can knowingly attribute to Howie Roseman. Those drafts have yielded only one star player and most of those drafted by Howie have never started a game for the Philadelphia Eagles. That’s a lot of data that I would think a scientist would not ignore and would take into account when making a decision.
Yes, the cap is in great shape, who cares, we haven’t won anything.
Dave, as a scientist, I don’t understand how you can defend this regime given the data that unequivocally shows how unsuccessful they have been. What data is indicating to you that this will change? What data am I missing that shows they Lurie and or Howie have been successful?
See Dave, I’m an attorney and I rely on evidence and based on all the evidence I have seen since Lurie bought this team the Eagles are unsuccessful. I don’t believe Howie, based on past performance (data/evidence) is going to change this fact.
Your confusing philosophy with science. Science does not rely on opinions. I’ve been in your arena as an expert witness. I would have be skewered in court if I based my findings on other people’s opinions.
BTW, the 2012 and 2013 drafts, the only ones Howie had full control, were pretty good.
My German gut is telling me that the next Eagles HC will be Tom Coughlin. You read it here first.
Bold prediction man, bold.
You gotta thank my baldness!
Sounds like McAdoo. Schefter is right about these things 99% of the time. Plus the Packers parallel to Andy is getting Lurie excited.
Do you think it’s Pederson if they lose, and McAdoo if Chiefs win Saturday?
If the Eagles FO is basing their HC search on such a fact then there’s a fundamental flaw.
Sort of like how my girlfriend in high school got mad at me when she found out why I asked her out instead of her best friend… telling her I flipped a coin did not go over too well.
Should have told her you were hoping things would play out as more of an “and” and less of an “or.”
the coin lands how it lands
And not often enough on head.
I can’t upvote this enough.
Is there any candidate worth waiting n interviewing that is in the playoff teams?? Sounds like Eagles will have their new coach in the next 2 days
Maybe, but I don’t know who. Saw an article saying that this is one of the few years that the playoff function worked and the remaining 8 teams are all in the top 10 DVOA. So the best organizations are really still unavailable, if we’re looking to poach from a good team. Possible that a solid relationship with Reid is the only reason they allowed us an interview with Pederson.
Counter-question. Is there a candidate available right now to make it not worth waiting for the playoffs to play out?
So with that DVOA stat in mind:
Are the Eagles ready to jump at Tom Coughlin . . .
– whose success with the NYG is in good measure the product of having a pretty good QB from the word “go”;
– who’s last 3 seasons, with the same QB, have been less than good (with injuries to players so often, questions about Coughlin’s methods were raised);
– who would be walking into the Eagles without a QB in place. (Sam Bradford, tag or no tag, cannot be forced to play here . . . money is not remotely an issue for him.)
I’m anti-Coughlin. the only silver lining I can see in him is the hardware he carries on that hand and connections one has through years of being a HC may give us access to some talented assistant coaches (remember as the new guy Chip had to bring in hot college names and the coordinators being very underwhelming, even at the time).
Why is this good? Well Tom isn’t young and the experiment might not last. But an heir apparent might come with the package.
And believe me, I know that is one hell of a stretch.
A87:
Agree with you. Some great stuff from you recently.
(Not saying all your stuff isn’t great . . . .)
I appreciate that. I think its a reflection of the board as a whole. I think the lack of anyone knowing what’s going ( or more specifically anyone *thinking* they know what’s going on) has left the board in a sort of thoughtful mood. Is it weird the board is better when the team is lost and aimless than when we’re still in the hunt?
This is what happens to fan base when your coaching search is caughlin, macadoo and shurmur.
Well if it’s true we will have a coach in 2 days then its no Pederson, .akes me think McAdoo or Shurmur
Tim McManus @Tim_McManus 1m1 minute ago
Get the sense that Eagles could announce their next head coach as early as tomorrow, which would eliminate Pederson. Thinking McAdoo.
Best choice IMO. No real slam-dunk candidates this year.
Agreed.
You’ve been a great resource.
Thank you.
As argued by others . . .
McAdoo shapes up as the most Reid-like candidate.
Young. Varied background. Green Bay-breeding.
Pederson’s a familiar face. Seems light in the resume, though — which may not mean he’d be a weak HC. Just sayin’.
another Spidey sense quote. They can’t even reference unnamed sources.
So let’s say the Eagles hire McAdoo or Coughlin, does this mean Bradford will stay in Philly?!
Maybe!
What a diplomatic answer, my friend!
still 50-50. coaches are picky bout that shit and often want their guy, but sammy did show some good things, but he’s gonna be expensive and a projection. plus we don’t know how lurie and Wormtongue feel about bradford AND we don’t know if those feelings are strong enough to be a dealbreaker. so . . . i have no idea!
The real question is do we pay Bradford to stay here?
I hope it comes down to price, I hope we do not keep shurmur and his biased view on Bradford. For me the max is around 18, if not go with stop gap and draft wentz if he is there
There are many variants of “18”. It’s more about the guaranteed money. They can add some non-guaranteed $25 to $30 million seasons on the end of contract to bump of that “average annual value” to a number like 18, but it’s not the same thing as paying him $18 a year right now (or making that his cap hit).
Howie has been pretty good with contracts which don’t kill the team, but this one will be a challenge. The question is how much is guaranteed, and how much you want to put into a signing bonus — that can really lower the cap hit the first year, at the expense of making him harder to cut or trade later on, plus using more cap in future years.
At the moment, the difference in cap hits for 2015 QBs vs 2016 QBs is staggering — it’s completely different scale. I’m sure a number of those will drop off as players are cut (RGIII) or renegotiated to lower cap hits (Brees), but overall there is probably a huge 2016 cap increase overall for QBs already built into existing contracts.
Ideal scenario would be FT, then if we get our hands on a rookie QB in the first round we will trade Bradford to the Texans for two 2nd round picks. If not we will keep Bradford at $19.6m for a year and see how the season plays out.
Re: Second Interviews
Have the Eagles held any with any candidate?
If not, then unless that individual is at Novacare right now, I don’t see how the Birds can announce the next HC tomorrow.
Before Lurie hired Reid, he was interviewed all day on a Friday, stayed overnight and did a 2nd interview on Saturday. Only after that second interview did Lurie say, “make the deal, Sonny.”
but but someone said that they felt that maybe it would happen tomorrow.
it’s that 15-year old kid, isn’t it?
bastard kids!
Assuming our new HC is Big Shurm.
Get off my lawn!
They could be doing a 2nd interview right now. The media isn’t always clued into the timing of interviews. They said the Eagles would interview Coughlin Monday night. We announced we had finished the interview at 4 p.m.
Agreed.
Announcement comes tomorrow only if “that individual is at Novacare right now . . . .”
maybe kelly should have been interviewed twice
Tommy ( Lawlor ) , why no love from any – teams ( media ) or fans, for Seattle Seahawks – offensive coordinator – Darrell Bevell ? Seems to me to check off all the boxes for the – Eagles / Lurie. Offensive side of my he ball. West Coast ( mostly ) offensive scheme. Has worked with – Brett Favre and Russell Wilson and got great seasons out of both. Coached in two ( 2 ) Super Bowls, and worked under one of the best coaches in the NFL, in Pete Carrol. Has called his own plays for many years in NFL, not just a ( offensive coordinator ) figurehead. Had many interviews in 2013 / 14, but zero ( even mentions ) this year. Guy seems ready, with a tremendous amount of big game experience. What’s up ?
Hot interview 2 years back.
No interest last season, even before SB.
Yep.
Passed when he should hVe ran
One – call / play, does not make a Career. Also, that play was ( soft / weak ) by that wide receiver. Russell Wilson loves the guy. He calls his own plays, and has coached ( as a [ real ] offensive coordinator ) in – 1 NFC Championship game and 2 Super Bowls.
Pass.
Yeah, your right, my bad. Doug Pederson is a much, much better choice. SMH.
Doug Pederson, albeit not a sexy hire, is definitely a better hire the Darell Bevell. He has one good year of decent success running an offense and I guess he’s the next Belicheck huh. Yea you were right good call on a terrible choice.
Killed me to monitor all day, but not log in and comment.
I can deal with McAdoo with the right staff. Not thrilled, so we’ll see how stuff goes.
MM . . . ahoy!
Indeed
https://a2-images.myspacecdn.com/images03/28/a0094236071a4e64a03e0febe2b621c2/300×300.jpg
fantastic still from a fantastic movie.
MM . . . great choice
Thank you. Any time I see “Ahoy”, I only have one image in mind.
There was someone else in the film that I’d much rather see pics of.
Would you prefer her in her Tron outfit?
http://www.popeyewithstevehart.com/cindytron.jpg
Manziel is rumored to be gone from Cleveland and not a single link to Eagles to be found. Finally, reporters won’t be linking us to every mobile QB around!
THANK GOD!
And he’ll be in Dallas.
“31 of 32 NFL teams would have little or no interest in acquiring the Browns QB, according to NFL Nation reporters.”
We all know who that one is, ooooh yes
And get ready for the same thing with RGMe’s “reclamation” and “redemption” with Hue Jackson in Cleveland!
Dallas could get Manziel and his rookie contract for a conditional 7th Rd pick tied to any number of amusing conditions (going AWOL, showing up for treatment, etc)
Or Dallas can just wait ’til Cleveland cuts him, and sign him to a 3rd-year player minimum salary.
Either way, Manziel’s a putz.
And Jerry? Publicity whore.
Baloophi —
Will you be writing a documentary on Kroenke’s threat of filing an Anti-Trust action against the NFL to get 30 votes of surrender for his move to LA?
Last time the Eagles played in LA, Buddy Ryan was in his last season as HC:
– Eagles won 27-21, avenging their 1989 playoff loss
– FB Anthony Toney led the Eagles 171-yard rushing attack . . . with his only 100-yard rushing day in the last season of his 5-year NFL career
– Randall had a big day at QB throwing to KJax
– DT Mike Golic had an INT and Sack
– Reggie White “held” to 1 sack
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199009230ram.htm
Don’t think he really needed to. The Inglewood project will make the league more money over time.
Um, how is the league going to make money from the Inglewood project? Aren’t ancillary revenues like that excempt from revenue sharing? I mean the Patriots complex is most decidedly not shared revenue.
Is there a special deal because it’s a relocation?
presence in the LA market will enhance TV contracts
so i’ve read, at least
Two teams sharing, twice as many butts in the seats, twice as many jerseys from NFL.com/ Shop, etc.
The possibility of Anti-Trust action is the principal reason why the NFL doesn’t squash the CFL like a bug. On the same continent (a total shock to some Americans), where American players can make a career in football. In fact, some players like the CFL sufficiently to stay here, coach, or find another career after football.
Someone posted this on twitter:
Dominic Perilli
@DominicPerilli
7m7 minutes ago
My guess is #Eagles announce Ben McAdoo as HC tomorrow. Flt from KTEB-KPNE this morning: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/EJA659/history/20160113/1200Z/KTEB/KPNE … #stalk cc: @CrossingBroad
Not sure if that indicates McAdoo flew into Philly this morning or not. Or Coughlin did maybe.
How do giants let bmac get away? Why fire TC and not have Bmac ready to go?
I thought that’s why the NYG brought McAdoo in . . . as long as he didn’t fall on his face.
Putting up only 28 on our defense might have disqualified him from the job (we also shut them out).
Hard for me to get behind Giant’s offense.
The OC may be judged by more than one game, however.
In the, “it could always be worse” file: Mularkey to the Titans. Good lord, I thought he’d already been fired from there before.
So not related to our coaching search; the franchise moves today had me thinking the NFL might be scheming to keep playing cities off against each other by getting into some expansion nonsense.
So this isn’t me endorsing 36 teams, but simply saying a way to do it.
36 teams, 4 – 9 team divisions – 2 conferences.
East – Eagles, Washington, Giants, Jets, Patriots, Bills, Cowboys, London Jags, new team in Germany
Some other division – Steelers, Ravens, Browns, Bengals, Dolphins, Tampa, Panthers, Saints, Falcons
Another division – Packers, Lions, Bears, Vikings, Colts, Texans, Titans, extorted expansion city 1, extorted expansion city 2.
West – Denver, Raiders, Chargers, Chiefs, Seahawks, Niners, Cardinals, Rams, Mexico City expansion team.
17 game schedule. 8 in your division, 3 each from the other 3 divisions. Keep current start, add 2nd bye week, Superbowl is always President’s Day Weekend. Almost always stack @ London and @ Germany in back to back weeks to help travel issues.
Lacks the majesty of the current schedule, but I have a feeling they’re about to go big game hunting on some even bigger TV markets; home crowds be damned.
Extorted expansion city. ;~D. Team name? Investment Bankers? The Stingers? The WeWuzRobbed Weepers?
Think it would make more sense to have 6×6 divisions, 3 in each conference. Have an expansion team in Canada, London and Germany and another US City.
The NFL will not put a team in “Canada” for the reason in post further down on the page.
Bill Polian, on an ESPN podcast, identified the 5 most important factors (to him) that a HC candidate must address in an interview [a bit after 29 minute mark]:
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=14563855
1. Vision: How does the candidate see the team — what’s it going to look like, how’s it going to play
2. Organization: discuss how things are done from 1st of mini-camp though the last day of the season in “minute detail.”
3. Staff: Who does the candidate want as the OC and DC, who’s the O-line coach, who’s the QB coach — “Those 4 positions . . . are critical.”
4. Command: Can the candidate “command the room” . . . The owner and others in the interview “want to see [the candidate] command that room because if [he] can command that room, the likelihood is [he] can command the players. If he can’t, the likelihood is he won’t.”
5, Philosophy: (a) How does the candidate want to play in “minute philosophical detail — for example . . . does the candidate want to protect the defense; does the candidate want to have an up-tempo offense; does the candidate believe in blitzing. (b) How will the candidate teach his philosophy. (c) Scheme-centric or personnel-centric.
Polian likes the Eagles: Enlightened, stable ownership, excellent facilities, good player personnel . . . but tough fans and media, coach needs “thick skin.”
hopefully howie and lurie were watching so they know what questions to ask.
When we say jump, what do you say?
How high?
Good boy.
I think the thick skin should come naturally for any leader who is comfortable with himself.
Agreed. And the contention that some folks have made that our media market’s intensity has been a detraction for coaches and players here is a joke.
Exactly, even with Chip Kelly. You think a guy who is confident enough to change the entire structure of an NFL organization and go against the status quo gives a shit what a beat reporter has to criticize about? No way.
Question inviting theories:
Coaches may not care about the media and fans.
But what about Lurie?
What’s he looking for from the coach vis-a-vis media interaction?
After Kelly, I get the impression that, at least, Lurie’s not looking for regular snark. Occasionally. But not nearly as often as Kelly did it.
Snark is probably still fine.
“I’m not the GM” probably isn’t.
God that was infuriating.
bam!
If I remember right, didn’t Lurie have a talk with Andy at one point about being nicer and more accommodating in press conferences?
Yes and no. Chip was pretty pissed at McLane over Shady phone call-gate. I think the media gets to the best of them. Of course, maybe Polian doesnt know what hes talking about?
If McAdoo is the favorite, then why hasnt the Giants hired him? My bet is on Pat getting the job. Pederson is not quite ready, he needs a little more seasoning IMHO
I’ve heard that the Giants’ ownership is split. One wants to hire McAdoo. One wants to hire a proven HC.
If the Lions cut loose Caldwell . . . how ’bout he lands with the NYG?
(unless the G-men make a move before that happens)
Maybe, but sounds like they like Doug Marrone and Mike Smith.
GR:
From the outside looking in . . . .
Among those 3, who’d you suggest?
Mike Smith is a good coach. He had a few bad games coaching-wise at the end but was really done in by poor personnel decisions by Dimitroff. Paired with a strong GM and a young, innovatice OC I think he’d be a good choice. The Giants’ GM sucks though.
I like what I know of McAdoo, but there’s always the unproven factor with a first-time HC.
Marrone has been able to rebuild programs successfully but battled with the GM in Buffalo, had problems with some players, and then abandoned his team. Horrible fit here.
excellent!
Have seen Smith up close.
You’re spot-on.
Take away on Marrone top notch, too.
Really can’t agree with you more re: Dimitroff. How is that guy still in charge, when they have one of the league’s worst rosters, outside of 2 players?
Maybe he was helping Blank go clothes shopping!
Haha! I was legit going to say the guy looks like he’s more worried about his appearance than his team’s roster. Looks like a walking J.Crew ad. Barf.
J is for jack off
from Jersey Shore aficionado to J. Crew model!
http://i.imgur.com/qUXLxJI.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WtGSQvb.jpg
As an Eagles fan; Doug Marrone as the Giants head coach makes me happy.
Vikings hired Tony Sparano as offensive line coach.
I thought he was dead?
That’ll happen.
There’s a line 30 people deep outside of the 7-11 by my office, took me like 10 minutes to figure out what’s going on.
Good luck to them. I dropped my $3 a few days ago to avoid the lines.
free slushies?
Patriots RE Chandler Jones was hospitalized for a bad reaction with synthetic marijuana.
-_-
Amazed some actual info came out. They’re still refusing to disclose why Collins missed all of that time.
I wonder if SynMarj is on the list of prohibited substances to which the Union and NFL agreed.
We’ll soon find out, I guess.
according to roto they suspended marcel darius for using it. How quickly they are to meet out punishment for jones will be interesting to see.
thanks
Was that the Christmas “green” he broke out when celebrating Marrone getting fired?
Synthetic Marijuana? huh? I’ve heard of people having terrible reactions to Salvia though, which people think is similar to Marijuana.
just goes to show you.
the real stuff is always better
But, but, but…a little weed never hurt anybody? Right?
My oldest son tried it a few years ago. Not synthetic. He puked all over the center aisle on a transit bus. Other riders were not impressed.
http://www.narconon.org/drug-abuse/marijuana/addictive.html
tried regular pot or synthetic?
awkward.
Amazing
https://twitter.com/FakeWIPCaller/status/687425141295439872
Bogus. Funny tweet quoting a tweet that didn’t work.
Is there a reason why nobody is even mentioning Mike Shula? Whether or not you can stomach the Panthers in general:
“Amid a sea of change, coordinator Mike Shula was the constant for the Carolina offense as the Panthers won their second consecutive NFC South title in 2014. The quarterbacks were different at times, the line was in flux, the wide receiver position was revamped, and finding a healthy running back was a week-to-week proposition much of the year. Through it all, the offense continued to progress.
The Panthers finished 16th in the NFL in total yardage despite the hurdles as Shula helped Carolina’s ball control offense rank seventh in rushing, ninth in first downs and 12th in third-down efficiency. It all added up to an average time of possession of 31:47, a team record for the second straight year.
A year earlier, Shula’s offense generated a 31:45 average time of possession, which ranked fifth in the NFL, while finishing third in third-down efficiency (43.8 percent) and second in drives of five-plus minutes (30). Protecting the ball was a trademark for an offense that tied a franchise record with just 19 turnovers, the fourth fewest in the NFL. Four offensive players – quarterback Cam Newton, center Ryan Kalil, fullback Mike Tolbert and tackle Jordan Gross – played in the Pro Bowl. Newton established career highs in completion percentage (61.7 percent), passing touchdowns (24) and passer rating (88.8).”
Mike Shula declined to interview for any jobs during the bye week.
Ah. Thanks. I missed that. Some days I actually don’t get online!
Of course, it’s not the bye week anymore. ;~).
Shula’s a damned interesting candidate.
Varied background. Different mentors.
Though I’d like to see him have success with a more conventional QB than Newton.
Looking back at 2013, I found some quotes from Howie that having experienced NFL coordinators was a condition they had for Kelly. Looking at Andy Reid’s first staff, he also had experienced NFL guys in those positions. Add that to what ACViking posted below from Polian (#3 Staff) and some of this may come together.
Here’s the theory: the Eagles wanted Gase all along. What Lurie said was true – they went early with firing Chip because they knew he’d be hot. There were reports that they even had a phone conversation the night before the interview. The plan was to offer him the Reid/Kelly deal. But we now know that Gase plans to call his own plays (maybe no OC?) and wanted Vance Joseph as his DC. He held firm with the 49ers last year, and held firm with the Eagles this year. So the Eagles brain trust got cold feet and let him go. The door remained open for the rest of the week until the Dolphins let him go with the inexperienced staffing.
If accurate, the interesting part to me is that they’d make the same condition for McAdoo (or Pederson). Will be fun to see where it goes.
If it gets to the point where Roseman is picking coordinators or assistant coaches, there is no way that any HC with any self-respect will come here. On another site, I saw someone suggesting that the Head Coach should have NO say in the draft! Absolutely ridiculous. Why are so many folks suggesting such absolutes? TEAM means working together, doesn’t it?
I agree, without the HC input, we wouldn’t have star players like Josh Huff or Taylor Heart in the 3rd and 4th round.
Not saying the Eagles wanted to dictate specific coaches, just that Gase or any new HC had to pick guys with coordinator or HC experience to be on their staff.
Anyone else skeptical on the McAdoo info we’re getting today? If the Eagles are moving in that direction, they’d presumably want to keep it very quiet since they’re in direct competition with the NYG. Putting rumors out there that the Eagles are about to hire him smells like a leak to force the Giants to move…
T:
It’s been suggested that McAdoo’s preference is to land with the Giants.
So his agent may be the one stirring suggestions of McA to the Eagles to force the G-men to hire McA.
Just supposition, obviously.
Based on what’s coming from Giants beat writers, sounds like something is about to break. McAdoo to the Giants, someone else to giants, McAdoo to Eagles. No one really knows.
That does it for me. Macadoo is new coach.
If that jackass said it then we might as well rule Shurmur out entirely.
Beware the Squirrel and the Acorn . . .
people are beginning to suggest that the niners are favoring…..Mike Shanahan? ok he was OC there in the mid 90’s
How do you sell your fans players going from Harb. to Shanny?
Shanny has 1 more SB ring than the entire Harbaugh family?
Of course it was 17 years ago and with a HOF QB . . . but why quibble.
his wikipedia page has already been edited saying he is the present 49er coach
can’t tell if that’s a good or bad way to get a job.
if his Wiki page did, it doesn’t now
yup, and just like that he’ already been let go lol
So all the data that you have, and I’m not aware of, shows that this organization is wildly successful, Howie is a great evaluator of talent (don’t forget 2011 and 2014!) and Lurie is a great owner?
I want to be wrong here. I want to have faith in this organization but based on all the data that I see it’s going to be the same results.
I think it’s important to keep perspective. The Eagles have had three losing records since 2000. They’ve been to a Super Bowl and four NFC championship games in that time period. Andy Reid was a fantastic outside-the-box coaching hire. The hiring of Chip Kelly was widely praised. And though he didn’t work out, he wasn’t an unmitigated disaster either. A lot of franchises would happily trade their past 15 years for ours. This narrative that Lurie doesn’t know what he’s doing strikes me as sensationalistic.
Don’t forget 94 – 2000. Some dark years there.
I want to wrong but I see the same issues reoccurring over and over again. Lurie gives complete control to Rhodes, Lurie give complete control to Reid, Lurie gives complete control to Chip. All end in failure. Common denominator – Lurie.
If you’re going to say Reid’s era ended in failure then almost every coach’s era ever ended in failure. After 14 years, I’d say it just ran its course. As for Rhodes, conventional wisdom loved that hire. He had two decent years and a very bad one, just like Chip. I’d call him a good candidate that didn’t work out. So in my mind, Lurie hired two good candidates who had some success but ultimately failed, and one guy who had a great run. Why should I assume he doesn’t know what he’s doing?
Art Stapleton
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Ben McAdoo, an internal favorite from the start, appears to be closing in on a deal to become next head coach of the #Giants, per source.
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the more things change…..the more they stay the same
Makes total sense.
The day Coughlin was fired I wrote that, in the past 30 years, 4 of the last 5 Giants coaches have been assistants at some point — including 2 who were on the staff of, and succeeded, the departing HC.
Pederson may not be the Eagles HC. Maybe it’s Shurmur. Or neither.
Either way, they both understand — or at least experienced — what Lurie likely considers “The Eagles Way.” (Agree or disagree that it’s good, I think Lurie has that in his head.)
Just as the Giants, since hiring GM George Young in 1979, developed what can fairly be called “The Giants Way.”
The Giants Way has resulted in 4 SBs since 1986.
While the Eagles Way hasn’t produced any SBs, there were a handful of trips to the NFC title game and 1 SB . . . at least during the period when the HC most responsible for what I’d wager is Lurie’s vision of the Eagles Way was here.
Was Andy a guy that got lucky with JJ, team really went downhill after his passing. KC has been good though, lots of things at play I guess.
No question JJ turned out to be a valuable gem.
Not sure even JJ could have prevented Reid’s demise. Slowed it. But not prevented it.
Talent was missing — especially on the back end of the defense and no great pass rusher.
(Seattle’s been great in no small measure because the team has 3 great DBs. Andy Reid inherited 3 excellent DBs in Dawkins, Vincent, and Taylor — plus a coach who implemented a great scheme.)
But, in terms of being an organizer and leader, Reid has his act down.
And give him some talent on defense, a good DC, and a pretty good QB . . . voila, winning team.
so really problem was FO couldn’t draft good players? Interesting…
Seems like it in hindsight (and at the time).
How much Reid’s responsible for that we’ll never know.
Though I seem to remember in 2011, Reid said after the draft how he’d promised Howard Mudd “his guy” in Rd 1.
And in 2012, Reid talked about getting Washburn “his guy” on the DL.
Spin? Who knows.
If the leak on Eagles-McAdoo was to pressure the NYG, the piece on hiring over the next 24-48 hours may have been part of that, as well.
talk of Mcadoo bringing in Joe Philbin as OC
Whether or not the Eagles were going to move over the next couple of days, they may have to get things rolling now. With three more hires today (Cleve, NYG, and Tampa), the top coordinator candidates will start signing on…
If the preliminary Koetter report in Tampa is true…
Profootballtalk.com reports Bucs OC Dirk Koetter has begun informing
assistant coaches that he will be Tampa Bay’s next head coach.
A bit too Shakespearean for me.
Koetter had to have discussed the icing of Lovie Smith with the Glazers before Lovie himself heard about it.
Pretty cold.
yeah agree. Be interesting to see how that plays with players though i guess they have the whole offseason to make up.
Players . . . yes.
Great point.
Whoever the next HC is, he’ll have to fix the mess Chip Kelly left behind. The funny thing is there has been little to none positive news about Chip Kelly after he got axed. Yet people are still pointing pitchforks against Howie like he got rid of another “good football person”.
Looking pretty grim when Duce Staley is the most attractive candidate you interviewed. Maybe Howie is the problem and real coaches have no interest in working with him?
please let them pick staley.
Why else did NYG bring him there?
To work with Coughlin until he turned 75?
The day the season ended, the Giants were hearing from teams asking to speak to McAdoo.
And his agent probably received calls well in advance.
I think that had to make Coughlin a dead-man walking for the Giants — with the owners agreeing, unless an experienced ex-HC knocks it out of the park, McAdoo’s the guy.
Or not.
I’ve already resigned to the fact that I’ll probably be disappointed with whoever we hire
Same.
I’m still of the mind that the Glazer’s are probing Nick Saban’s interest.
’cause at this point, Lovie’s body is cold enough to hire Koetter — as nothing’s gonna undo the appearance of a rub-out.
Behind door number 3…. Jim Zorn!
Bills hired Ed Reed as DB coach, why didn’t we think of that?
Can we bring in Dawk as our next DB coach then?
TO as WR coach? Maybe 5 as Qb….maybe that’s too far.
Nah. We should bring in Avant.
Kind of a risky move. Something a guy like Rex can do with confidence having known him so well for so long.
assistant DB coach
So two swings and and two misses for eagles FO (Gase, Macadoo)? There’s gotta be a crazy dark horse candidate, right? Can’t just be Shurm dog.
Why assume misses instead of bad Intel from reports which seems way way more likely
So they only interview 5 people 2 of whom they ended up being “not interested” in?
And reportedly tried to get an interview with Hue Jackson. I’m very curious to hear how the Eagles try to sell whoever their next coach is to the fans. Fans will definitely question how far up or down the list whoever they hire was.
For all we know, Pederson could have been their top choice all along.
why fire chip early then?
To send a message . . . like putting a dead fish in a bullet-proof vest
Lurie seems like a nice guy. But the way that went down basically killed Chip’s hopes of getting another job. To do that and not have an idea of what you’re going to do at coach is extra vicious.
Because if you didn’t, you were afraid you might punch him in the face.
might as well you gotta pay him $14m anyway.
Being realistic, the Giants are the best option for McAdoo. Don’t have to move, have an established QB in place.
That said, even if the situation between Philly and the Giants were equal, I think his agent would have steered him to the Giants. LaMonte represents McAdoo, Pederson, and Shurmur. Pederson and Shurmur only have interest from the Eagles. So if he steers McAdoo to the Eagles, then that prevents one of his other 2 guys from getting a HC job. McAdoo to Giants, one of his other guys to Eagles is the best bet for him financially.
very LaMonte . . . the King-maker
Established QB for what, let’s be honest maybe 2 more years?
I don’t think Shurmur should be the HC. His profile is pretty bad and no other team would consider bringing him in as a HC, but then again the only other people we have interviewed are Pederson, Tom and Duce….Yikes. Seems like my Guenther dream is all but dead and the Pederson era is soon to begin
“Yikes” is right.
I’ve convinced myself somehow I want Pederson.
I know he hasn’t gotten any other HC interviews this year, but remember that the Raiders did interview him last offseason. I’m not remembering the team, but I think someone interviewd him in the 2014 offseason too. He may not be particularly inspiring but let’s not act as if his reputation is trash around the league.
Buffalo, I think. To that point, MMQB had him on their “next 32” list this past summer, following a survey with NFL people.
Speaking of Shurmur . . . .
He’d be viewed on this blog, I suspect, as totally unqualified to be a HC with his resume if the past 3 years were spent with Kelly on another team.
Maybe confirmed by the absence of even a hint of interest from any other team looking for a HC this off-season.
In other words, he’d be the same as Mike Mularkey — whom, I guess, will be laughed at, along with the Titans, if they hire him as the HC.
Of course, I haven’t been inside NovaCare for the last 3 years. Or at his interview.
So — as it’s said of the NFL — anything can happen, and usually does.
If Shurmur was the guy, he would already be the HC.
The most likely guy is either Pederson or mystery guy like Nick Saban
Anders . . .
I’d like to think you’re right because what your wrote makes great sense.
But who the heck knows.
I think Shurmur is a 3rd option, maybe they even like Tommy C more than him. Be interesting if they start interviewing again tomorrow, this process is a mess.
Forgive me, it’s late and been a long day . . .
but who’s Tommy C?
[edit: T-Cough . . . . the “Tommy” threw me]
Caughlin
Coughlin
he basically gave his interview in the last PC and the final game.
I think Shurmur might be the best of what’s left. I said in the previous post that he does offer continuity for the team in terms of offensive system and may be the best shot at retaining Bradford (that may or may not be a good thing). He may also retain Fipp, Staley, and Undlin. I just hope he doesn’t retain Davis.
I’ve wanted a defensive guy, but I’ve been Shurmur all along among the offensive guys. First time head coaches have such a poor track record. I want a guy taking his 2nd shot. The situations he was in were impossible with what he had to work with. His head coaching career started with the lockout. His second Browns team had 17 rookies. Disfunctional organization and new owner. Terrible QBs, etc. His *overall* resume – amount of experience, coaches he’s worked for, success he had as a QB coach – is pretty good. I don’t think we know what he is yet.
So seems its down to 3 guys in the play offs. My guess is Pederson is one, but not sure who the other two might be unless one is Mike Shula
Shula and McDaniel declined to interview during the bye.
Are you exited now?
Guenther!
Unqualified, perhaps.
He coaches defense
He’s not in the playoffs anymore.
Yeah I know, I went dumb for a minute lol
You can’t fire chip and then go get a Billy B disciple.
Oh . . . and who the hell is Benjamin Allbright?
Actually, Allbright has a very strong track record of breaking news. He comes off as pretty douchy when you challenge him on his reports, but he rarely misses.
GR:
That’s very helpful. Thanks. Didn’t know of him.
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Question . . .
What do you think of his comment?
Who do you think his sources are?
Who are the 2 others besides Pederson?
I have no idea who his sources are, but his track record is strong.
Can’t believe that McDaniels is one of options considering Belichick hates Howie. I suppose McDermott is still possible, although I don’t know why they wouldn’t have tried to interview him during his bye week.
Shula wouldn’t accept interview while his team was in the playoffs so he’s a possibility.
GB played on Sunday and play in the divisional round on Saturday so it’s possible that his team wouldn’t grant permission for an interview. I don’t know how much influence Tom Donahoe has, but he has history with their asst HC/offense Tom Clements.
They could potentially have interest in Darrell Bevell or Tom Cable and their team blocked them from interviewing until after the playoffs.
From the Steelers, Todd Haley? Doesn’t seem to have the people skills to match what Lurie is looking for, but skilled Xs and Os wise.
GR:
All great stuff. Just a fantastic run since 12/31.
1999 – Eagles do not get their top HC target and it works out pretty well. 2013 – Eagles get the top HC target and the result is a disaster. 2016 – Same search team from 2013 does not get their top target. What’s not to like?
Two legit examples of irony . . .
as well as validation of the epigram, “Be careful what you wish for.”
Not sure why people say chip was a disaster. One losing season in three and plenty of entertainment.
I agree – just meant disaster in the sense that the goal is a long term guy. Three years later they’re going through the hiring process again.
Will we hear bout eagles calling McDermott?
I may not have a problem with it, with the ways things are looking
How ’bout Harold Goodwin, the Cards’ OC?
Like S-McD, HG interviewed during his team’s bye week.
Doesn’t add up.
Someone on twitter reported that Jon Gruden is at philly airport.
Doesn;t make sense, Lurie would fly him private I’m pretty sure.
It was a hoax. It was at Houston airport. Barry’s Pizza is in Houston airport where photo was takenof Gruden by person who tweeted it.
Eagles Focus @Birds_Scoop 22m22 minutes ago
Jon Gruden is not at the airport. Trust me it’s fake. Google Barry’s pizza. There isn’t one in the airport
Mind if I ask what he is referring to?
He said eagles 3 main targets still in playoffs
Just noticed that below, thanks man.
Greg Richards . . .
Just went to Allbright’s twitter. Good stuff, indeed.
How ’bout this one:
Is anyone else irked by how Lurie never actually created a business and a successful culture? He inherited family money and kinda just went along for the ride. He has never been a CEO or a real company or had to hire and build the right pieces in order to create a successful company. He got lucky with Reid and to me just sat back for the ride.
He has never been a CEO or a real company or had to hire and build the right pieces in order to create a successful company.
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You think Ed DeBartolo, Jr. — who owned and built the 49ers dynasty with Bill Walsh — did something first?
He was 31 when he used his father’s money to buy control of the 49ers in 1977.
He got lucky with Bill Walsh has his HC in 1979.
Now he’s considered a genius owner.
31? Can’t imagine owning a team at 31
How ’bout 29 years old and starting a new football league to take on the NFL. (Even in 1960)
Is that what we’d call a “startup”?
you said it
Debartolo has actually developed, and managed people within his fathers company, how does the correlate to anything Lurie has done?
Or how ’bout Lamar Hunt — at age 29, he used his father’s oil money to start, and sustain, the old AFL as one of the original owners (Dallas Texans k/n/a KC Chiefs).
Now he’s in the Hall of Fame.
I don’t get people complaining about the owner of a team. Regardless of what you think of him, he’s going to do what he wants to do. You can’t force him to sell the team. So what’s the point of worrying about it?
Besides I kinda like Lurie. Much better than Braman ever was.
Or how about Leonard Tose who came within a hair of selling the team and having them move to Arizona so he could pay off his gambling debts.
The San Francisco Chronicle reports 49ers GM Trent Baalke is intent on hiring a head coach who won’t threaten his power.
Baalke has “final say” on whom the 49ers hire, and Baalke “doesn’t want anyone who might threaten (his) power.”
Sounds like Tommy C!
(Tom Coughlin for knuckleheads like me)
Does Chip get any kind of coaching gig in the NFL this year?
highly doubt it
Would you hire him?
From the outside looking in (since we can’t interview him).
It would be very hard for me to hire him honestly AC. As an owner it would be impossible to ignore the way things transpired in Philly. I’m sure they’d notice he won his first two seasons with with a majority of leftovers from the previous regime. Then looking into the way many players responded to the firing and those points alone would make me take him off my HC list immediately. Those are just quick points at that.
As a GM you don’t want to hire someone that’s going to get you fired.
That to.
Chip’s biggest hurdle in getting NFL job. No GM will hire him b/c they will be afraid of getting “Howie-ied”. So it will have to be the owner doing it outright which means giving Chip a lot of personnel say which didn’t go so well in Philly.
If Ben is right about our candidates being the playoffs could Shula be their top target? I think he said he wouldn’t interview until their season is over so could Pederson just be insurance for if Shuls rejects them when they eventually interview?
Fill me in, what’s Shula’s accomplishments again?!
Idk I’m throwing crap at a wall here
Cam Newton and the Panthers offense.
is that offense good w/out newton?
Not a chance, but Derek Anderson has won games for them before.
more or less impressive than sanchez winning/
Oh boy that’s a tough one, I would say more impressive because to me the Eagles have better weapons outside of Greg Olsen.
Possibly but just looking at numbers Shula doesn’t impress me. This is the first season his offense has ranked higher than 16th. I don’t know enough about him though. More to being a HC than numbers.
I don’t know him much either I’m just throwing stuff out there as my Guenther dream dies a slow and painful death
https://twitter.com/Mfranknfl/status/687467806208712705
https://twitter.com/Jeff_McLane/status/687447849198485504
Several members of the media now say that both Gase and McAdoo turned Lurie down. It must be true right? These guys have been spot on with Howie so there is no reason not to question them. They were even right about Chip calling LeSean. Thankfully, we have really good media here in Philly with excellent sources.
Hate these reporters assuming facts they don’t know. They have no evidence that Eagles offered the job to McAdoo.
McLane has 2 NFL sources though.
Are these sources Lurie/Roseman/Smolenski? I doubt it. More likely LaMonte trying to spin that his client was wanted by 2 teams or someone from Giants trying to spin that he accepted Giants’ job instead of Eagles’.
New thread up.