Getting Closer?
Posted: February 29th, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 574 Comments »The Eagles are closing in on a new deal with Sam Bradford.
Maybe.
Bradford’s agent, Tom Condon, went on Sirius XM Radio and talked about the situation with the Eagles and his client. Jimmy Bama has the details here.
The big takeaway is that Condon said he would be talking to the Eagles today (Monday). The Eagles can place the franchise tag on Bradford starting Tuesday at 4pm. In theory, that’s something neither Bradford nor Condon should want. No one expects the Eagles to use the tag, but you never know how things will play out in a tricky negotiation like this. I’m sure both sides want something done before Tuesday afternoon.
I’ve been a bit of a skeptic on question of how hard the Eagles are trying to get Bradford signed, but I’m told they are making a real push.
— Les Bowen (@LesBowen) February 29, 2016
If the two sides can’t work out a deal before Tuesday afternoon, Bradford and Condon may go ahead and wait a week so they can talk to other teams and see what else is out there. That doesn’t mean the Eagles are out of it. I still think the Eagles are the best fit.
I’m sure some people would prefer the Eagles just spend pick 13 on a QB and let that guy play right away. If you go back to 1999, Donovan McNabb spent about half the season on the bench and then took over. Wouldn’t Doug Pederson want a model like that?
The problem is that QBs these days are not as NFL ready. McNabb spent most of his college career playing under center. He understood 5 and 7-step drops and the importance of timing. McNabb still had plenty of learning to do to adjust to the NFL. But at least he knew the basics. Jared Goff and Paxton Lynch are accomplished passers, but they have a lot of learning to do on NFL QB basics.
You can argue that these guys are better off sitting for a year or even two. Think about the two best QBs in the league. Tom Brady sat for a year. Aaron Rodgers sat for 3 years. Really gifted athletes like Russell Wilson and Cam Newton started from day one. Both have been very successful, but are still developing as passers.
There is something to be said for having Bradford start for the next few years while the rookie learns from the bench. There are no guarantees. This model didn’t work with Kevin Kolb.
The one big X-factor in all of this is that we don’t know if the Eagles really like any of the rookie QBs. We assume they will like at least one, but we don’t know anything for sure. The hype is really starting to build on Carson Wentz (he’s similar to Andrew Luck?). Just because the hype is out there doesn’t mean it is true.
Keeping Bradford would give the Eagles flexibility in regard to adding a young QB. If the right guy is available at 13, take him. If something crazy happens and they’re gone, go get the QB you want in the middle rounds.
The Eagles need talent and stability at QB. Things have been way too erratic in recent years.
UPDATED
Source close to the situation says there were no Bradford talks today, but Howie Roseman and Tom Condon are scheduled to talk Tuesday.
— Les Bowen (@LesBowen) March 1, 2016
Stay tuned.
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I am fine with bring Bradford back as long as long as the contract is year to year. Something like 3 years 45mil with 15mil guaranteed in 2016 is a pretty fair contract and would not be a burden in the short term and give some stability moving forward.
Soon as you are looking at 2 years of guarantees and 3-4 mil more a year i stop having interest in Bradford, risk reward for the team is too lopsided and i would rather try to rehab an RG3, go with Chase or the Sanchize while babysitting a rookie QB for a while or any of the other short term options while waiting for drafted QB to be ready.
Think Wentz/Lynch can be effect year 1… in a Chip lite system with read option and simple 1 read passing, with the occasional play action bootleg pass deep to keep the defense honest. But i think both guys would benefit more from working 1-2 years technically and being put in a position to be successful with a an OL somewhat rebuilt and a more settled WR core in 2017 or 2018.
Why would he sign a one year deal like that?
Agree, I don’t think he would sign something that would allow us to easily part with him next year. Sounds like Cousins will be tagged so he becomes the best FA option for the most important position in football. Him and his agent won’t agree to what could very easily be a one year deal. Other teams would be willing to do better then that.
The contract will probably be easy to part ways with in year 3, year 2 minimum if Howie works magic.
Well depends on the market, there does not seem to be a strong market available for him, without strong interest from other teams (both Browns and Texans beat reporters have reported no interest in Bradford), i think Bradford will struggle to get the contract he wants.
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FWIW I watched Killebrew the S on Mayocks top 5 list and came away extremely unimpressed. Timid, slow and not little instinct is how I would described him. I wasnt a big fan of the 6’5″ safety from Clemson but would dradt hom over that trash Killebrew.
He is a big hitter tho, and not in the headshot way, but the Brian Dawkins you don’t go 1 inch further way. He has good athleticism for his size and weight as well. However he does have a limited feel for the game. Not sure i would call him timid, nor slow really – think it is more his slow reading means he can be a yard late reacting to stuff.
Think if you ask him to be a pure box safety and make things ‘simple’ for him to just go attack then he will be a good player, but better QB’s and play callers may be able to pick on him.
He camt even play at the line. He is extremely timid. He dances behind the action like someone with GAD without their Xanax. Honestly not worth a draft pick. If you want someone to play in the box, pick Keanu Neal. He hits harder and at least has a semblance of what to do.
Sounds like another Jaquan Jarrett.
I know he had that good stretch of games for the Jets, but really haven’t heard of much afterwards. Is he still with them and how is he doing?
God that draft was horrible besides the Kelce selection. Possibly goes down as one of the Eagles worst drafts and maybe worst offseasons in recent times
IR all season. Would been okay in 4th or 5th, but a wasted pick in the second.
I hate Killebrew more than Cody Prewitt when he was getting talked up. I know the safety crop this year is pretty bad but Mayock might have saw something more than what draftbreakdown offers.
The safety crop is always “bad.” I actually like Thompson, Cash and Joseph in that order for my top 3 so far. I’m watching them tonight. Thompson is by far and away the #1 S in this class so far. Such a great feel for the game and his playmaking is kind of insane. It’s not a bunch of lucky picks either, he’s consistently reading plays and getting in the right spot. Plays faster than timed, hell of a hitter, good size.
It’s not always bad. Safety classes have been top heavy while the lower guys are weeded out. I haven;t watched any tape on safeties since nothing has compelled me to do so. Unless you want to count that Florida safety when I was watching Hargreaves.
I would suggest Thompson if you ever feel like. It is impressive.
I liked the TCU kid when watching Hackett last year. He wasn’t as flashy but I came away thinking he was the better player. Tested well yesterday.
Name? Does he have any tape on Draftbreakdown? Ill look eventually but if you reply to this first Ill have some direction.
Derrick Kindred. First team all big 12 despite breaking collarbone 3 days before season.
No specific tape. Gonna have to get creative to watch.
Update:
https://twitter.com/LesBowen/status/704483589870718976
https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/704395449923297280
that was from much earlier in the day
Yeah, seems there’s a lot of buzz about a 4-year deal that’s an incentive-laden contract. That works well for both sides.
4 year with knowing Howie with an opt out after year two sounds about right and would make me happy. Gives us time to grab a QB next year if we can’t manage to get one this year.
Maybe I’m wrong but if Bradford is retained either the keeping or cutting of Sanchez may show whether the Eagles want to make a push at QB early in this draft.
Good point. It’ll be interesting to see how they draft this year. If Wentz & Goff are gone, which I expect – do they go after Lynch or try to build the team out?
I don’t know a lot about him, with that being said I’m not a big Lynch fan. If it was just Lynch left after Wentz and Goff at pick 13 I would go OL. If the OL was not there I would trade back, get a 2 and see where it goes from there. Just my 2 cents. Maybe Lynch is better then I think and he would be worth the 13 spot.
We agree. I would like to see them try to move back twice and get a couple 2nds if possible, or a 2nd and an extra 3rd.
It is a good draft for OL which is our biggest need. Moving back can very well be the best thing for us. Of course it’s very possible we may need to go S early as well. Reports have been around that the Eagles are targeting higher end S in FA so who knows
Safety Proboem should be getting solved in free agency
Not going to be an OL worth taking at 13.
Don’t know if a guy with glass knees wants to sign an incentive laden contract.
No, but I doubt any team would offer a guaranteed contract at really high numbers, so there is probably no option for him.
His real choice would be either a one-year “prove it” contract, or a contract with lower guaranteed numbers, with performance bonuses, or perhaps lower guaranteed figures the first year then partial-guaranteed numbers in subsequent years which are higher to force a release-or-not decision — if he’s playing well he’d be worth it, if not the Eagles would release, probably with some dead money but not crippling.
Condon’s job was to make it appear as though teams would throw the bank at him despite the lack of a proven track record, but it sounds like he didn’t get any indications that a team was going to panic like that and “match” those expectations, so he now would take a deal that will pay well in the longer term if his play warrants it, and it’s a place where Bradford likes the football situation. I’m sure the numbers will still seem pretty high, but will be less than the franchise tag (at least for this year and next). But he won’t take a lowball offer now, obviously — he’d wait until a few days of free agency have gone by at the very least.
It will be interesting to see how it plays out. I, for one, am surprised he has not been signed by someone. Even though I am not a fan. Wait.. ah never mind.
Allegedly today is dedicated to the Bradford contract, so much that we aren’t talking extension with Nolan until tomorrow
Still want to know what role Jaws is playing in this process. Last week on 97.5, he said Bradford wasn’t a top 10 guy but he was in the next 10 while playing quite well when he came back from his injury. Mentioned a few times $16M as an ideal figure annually.
Who would Jaws report to? Howie? Lurie? Getting his input regarding player acquisitions and retentions and/or salaries would severely undermine the front office and coaching staff that are already being paid millions to make those decisions.
I’m sure Jaws is somebody that Lurie keeps in touch with. He’s not somebody that’s making decisions but I would imagine he’s one of those voices that Lurie keeps in touch with.
Interesting, it appears Jaws is a stats guy! Bradford’s performance during his magical, Favre-ish streak of durability and skill was somewhere around 19th in the league in terms of numbers.
Not Bradford talk, but an interesting subject that I beleive hasn’t been touched on enough. Tommy or D3 how do you feel about MS playing with his hand in the ground. Do you think it will be a benefit to him, or do you think there isn’t enough to predict how playing DE will fare for him?
I thought the best by far he has looked in his limited snaps was the Giants game, which is probably obvious because he had a sack and another pressure or two. Correct me if I am wrong but I think either the sack or a few of his pressures he played with his hand in the ground and looked explosive.
With the 4-3 we need to stack up on DL again, and if he benefits with his hand on the ground that could be an important need filled.
Here is a Youtube clip of his first sack play. I think he shows good explosion off the line and gets into the LT’s face, shows some good strength and tosses the LT’s hands away. Cox hurts and helps him by getting a leg on the LT’s leg but also getting in MSII’s way to the qb. However, Smith does one thing really well that I see eluding a lot of edge rushers, he turns his hips perpendicular to the line of scrimmage. If he keeps them parallel he can get rode out of the play. Not only does he turn the hips but he uses his athleticism to jump on Eli. I think he actually showed some grown man strength by jarring the LT back a bit:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Osh6z8bxzhQ
Yeah, I think he has great athleticism and flexibility which the latter is highly underated as far as importance to a DL by many people. The speed is there as well and you can see the gain in strength from year 1 to 2.
I think his biggest issues are confidence (playing DE could help that by simplifying the game), technique, and his counter move to the OT.
In the I think it was 3rd preseason game he would initially show great burst but then utilize a poorly timed counter move or just simply the wrong move. Tried the spin constantly when he would have generated pressure if he used a rip.
I guess time will only tell, but like we all know the raw abilities are there. I think moving to DE in a 4-3 should only benefit him. I just don’t know by how much though. At this point I will be thrilled if he turns into a very strong second team DE in the rotation.
All the Eagles OLB’s played with their hand in the dirt…. Heck BARWIN has way more Eagles sacks linned up as a 4-3DE with his hand in the dirt, than he has sacks rushiñg from a standing OLB spot…. I think this 4-3DE transition is much to do about nothng. Not expecting it to be a problem for Barwin, BG, Vinny or Marcus… The Media seem to ignore the many times the “3-4 Eagles” linned up in a 4 man line…
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Don’t think the pre snap stance matters much for Marcus.. For him, he always had two Obsticles to overcome:
1) he simply wasnt strong enough. I don’t imagine that this will still be an issue after his 3rd offseason with pro strength/conditioning program
2) he was raw from a technical standpoint, again, going into year 3 we should notice significant growth in both key areas that his success depends on
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It’s not like he never played with his hand in the dirt in college….. I expect our OLBs transition to DE not being much of an issue. They still have to battle against TE’s and Tackles like they had to do the last 3 years… But I think you are right in that schwartz simplifying things and just having his DL Attack should simplify things for MS2. The less he has to think about it, the Bettet he can unleash his athleticism
He’s still underdevloped as a pass rusher. But cranking him out wide and telling him to go hunt should help. He’s fine holding up against the run. He won’t get to use his coverage ability.
The biggest thing will be just letting him go out there and play. His biggest issue was he seemed completely overwhelmed when asked to read and diagnose things.
He’ll be DE4 this year. He should see like 30% of the snaps if he performs well. If he does well this year he’ll be in line to be DE3 next year when the team moves on from Barwin. If he sucks he may not make it out of camp.
His career is very much in his hands at this point. Hopefully he can stay healthy and take to coaching.
Keep Bradford and find out if he can finally put it all together, sign a Foles or Daniels to back him, grab Dak Prescott in r3 and later maybe 6-7ish or undrafted grab another QB like Matt Johnson or maybe we get risky and take Trevone Boykin in r7
Okay everyone. I know it has been a slow couple of weeks in terms of Eagles news, but today is the day that something big happens. Probably. Maybe. Or, if something doesn’t happen, that tells us all that we need to know. Possibly. But maybe not.
So, hang on folks. We are strapped into a roller coaster… that might not leave the station. But hang on!
A roller coaster or something far tamer like the Dumbo ride in Disneyland? 🙂
I agree with you sometimes, maybe, possibly, probably, almost, kind of, sort of.
I’ll take it!
where’s there’s smoke there’s fire. That got me in trouble predicting there’s no way the HC would return to Indy. However, this seems like Bradford is coming back. I’m still ok with that….
This model didn’t work with Kevin Kolb. The beginning of the end of the AR era with that pick…
Its not getting Badford back thats a problem. While i’d never recognize him as an answer to our problem with missing a QB capable of winning the Super Bowl, he is a starter in the NFL and winning helps a team.
Lately, good QBs seem to be available at all points. Not in a Brady, lets make a 6th round pick a HoF, but with players like Bortles, Carr and Bridgewater coming early, but not necessarily a top 5 pick. Missing a QB and sucking in order to get that QB isn’t the only way to go. Dalton, Tannehill, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Flacco to mention too, not that all of them are SB QB material. Taking a QB early probably no longer means top 5, but top 45-ish.
The real issue with Bradford is still gonna be what we end up paying him, both in terms of average and guarantees, and for how long, both in length and true expectation of when we could get out of the contract for free.
Bortles was picked #3 overall.
Exactly, its still very possible to accept the narrative that in order to find a good QB you need a high pick. Luck and Stafford number 1, Ryan was top 3, although you could argue their merits. We’ve just seen an increasing amount of support for the fact that its no longer a requirement to find a QB that you need a top 5 pick.
Most people take that as a Brady reference, which is mistaken. Brady and even Wilson was an anomaly, maybe of statistical improbability. The real observation should be that many of the starting QBs gets picked anywhere in the first round and very early second round, but not pretty much exclusively the top 5, which seems to be the narrative of most fans and to a certain extend the media. I haven’t checked, and cannot tell you whether theres a statistically higher hit rate with top 10 QBs, than QBs selected in the rest of the first round.
The argument was more in the notion of: Just because we sign Bradford doesn’t mean we have a solution to our QB problem. Signing Bradford isn’t detrimental to the solution to this problem(assuming he helps us win more games than, say a Sanchize), because the kind of QB we’re looking for in the draft, is not basically exclusively found in the top 5, a draft position that a Bradford at QB probably keeps us away from. Hence, just signing Bradford, regardless of ones opinion on his level, isn’t a huge impact for our ability to draft a QB.
On the other hand, winning is healthy for an organization and maybe more notably, its fans. Bradford should help us win more games, albeit IMO not the important one played on the first sunday of February. The discussion therefore becomes a matter of price.
I’m not sure anyone is saying SB after(if) Bradford is signed. If anything I think, for the first time in the history of Eagles sports – the fan base is in unity that we need “future” QB.
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I do think Bradford can be better than avg. and bring this team to another level(playoffs). I’m not sold that this year is the year – but after a year in the new system and maturity with the young offensive wr’s – maybe next year we’ll be sitting a little better….
I just wanted to say that Bortles doesn’t fit your narrative, since he was a top 3 pick (even though an unexpected one, for the outsiders). I agree with you that there are examples of capable QBs with upset outside the Top 5.
Even before Carr and Bridgewater, you could name Rodgers, Flacco and Big Ben. Brady, Romo and Wilson are clear outliers, though. Great to find someone like that this late, but you can’t bank on that.
I feel ya’. It got me into trouble when I pulled the fire alarm during our local theater’s production of Beauty and the Beast.
Sometimes, where there is smoke, there is a smoke machine,..
hmmm smoked venison
Oh, deer.
Seems to me the signs indicate Lurie and co. want the Eagles to be competitive this year, so signing a limited, if competent QB goes along with that. Thus, Bradford is logical if the money is not insane. I think it’s a mistake and we only really have one great player on this team; not enough to contend.
Rams engaged in extension Talks with Jeff Fisher…. Amazing how this cockroach manages to always survive and get to coach in this league
first was the excuse of moving and they wanted to keep him on to keep the continuity. But an extension? It’s clear the Rams are not serious about winning. Fisher sux.
His ability to survive is Millenesque.
Marvin Lewis has to be a close third.
Marvin Lewis is a QB away from being Andy Reid 2001-2008. Lots of deep play off runs being bottled by bad play calls and game management… but a damn fine coach in every other way.
Fisher is a specialist in poor mediocrity. He does not even go 8-8 consistently… he just flirts close to it with endless 7-9 seasons of being competitive in divisional games and sucking against anyone competent outside of that.
Lol right! This guy is constantly! drafting top 5 or 10 it seems!
I agree. Lewis and Reid were kept on for the right reasons (they are good coaches who simply have not had the stars align for them). Fisher and Millen were kept on for the wrong reasons–personality, inertia, pictures of the owner’s daughters–who knows!
The model may not have worked with Kolb because of his concussions.
and just being a sub par qb
bingo.
That could be true, but that is also part of the equation. Talent evaluation is a big part of the model, but personality, coaching, and sheer dumb luck also factor in.
The concussions and the presence of Vick never really even gave him a chance. That being said the leash must of been so short because of his practice performance.
when he was out there he was checkdown charlie to the worst extent i’ve ever seen
I don’t know about that. His extremely limited action vs GB in his first and only game (am i remembering correctly?) as the “starter”, was bad. Most everything before that was pretty darn good though, right?
efficient but it wasn’t good. maybe i’m not remembering perfectly but i was never stoked on his play
Thought I remember hearing things about “X number of yards after x number of games played as a QB!! Rankes X in the record books!”
All I recall is seeing Clay Matthews pin his arms down and drive Kolb’s head straight into the turf. Dude just wasn’t the same after that. Straight up thug action by Matthews.
The model is a massive oversimplification. Sure, McNabb, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers sat to start their careers and then became star players, but because it happened that way, doesn’t mean had they started from day one, they would not have ended up still becoming star QBs. You can’t use the logic that because it was successful one way, it means it would necessarily be unsuccessful the other way.
To add to that, you can also cherry pick a bunch of examples of QBs who do come in day one and start and become star QBs (Cam Newton… who I might add lots of people said should sit his first year at the time of the draft, or Russell Wilson).
I’m not sure I agree with logic that sitting necessarily benefits a QB. Sure, you can get some mental reps that way, but nothing compares to getting actual game reps. Yes, there is an adjustment period when dealing with a young QB, but that is true regardless of if you start day one or start your career on the bench and move your way up.
Lastly, I’m curious what the argument is for QBs now are LESS prepared for the NFL than in the past. None of the examples Tommy used are recent examples. I understand that with the spread offenses in college, there are few QBs who experience NFL-style offenses prior to being drafted. While I get the value in playing under center, just off the top of my head, it seems the young QBs who have been successful are the guys who have started day one (or at least very very early in their career). Maybe someone who has done more research on this has evidence otherwise, but I can’t think of a ton of examples of QBs who have entered the NFL recently that became top end talent who started off their career from the bench.
Also 60% of snaps leaguewide are from the gun.
I. TOLD ALL of you Bradford wouldn’t be on this team over two months ago! Now how yoy feel? I was right again!!
I am right. You are wrong. I am smart you are dumb.
With all those misspellings and run on sentences, it has never been more apparent how much more “smart” you really are than the rest of us.
Also amazing that Bradford is somehow off the team already when free agency hasn’t started yet.
Bes off the team. Rossman and the player rep didn’t even meet yesterday. The deal is dead and so is bradford’s career in philly. Ding dong.
2 questions……
Who is this Rossman you speak of??
Why did you ring a doorbell if he’s gone??
he’s probably selling door to door magazine subscriptions
who is “Bes”?
Now how yoy feel? I was right again!!
I am right. You are wrong. I am smart you are dumb.
Oh reaaaally??
I AM THE GREETEST
He’s the Mahamed Alee of Internet trolling.
i just think about how sad it must be
Right. Like this is literally the high point of her entire life.
yeah not much goin on, i guess
Sounds like he thinks he’s a suitsayer.
what team is he on if not the eagles? haven’t read anything saying he signed anywhere. so you are not right yet.
NOT the eagles. He sucks! Roseman is playing fames. This would have been done a long time ago if they wanted him
“playing fames?”
“defenitely” [to quote you]
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So Bradford’s leverage to get the deal done before the EOD is obvious. What are the Eagles threatening? Do they say that if free agency starts they might see somewhere to spend money on another player and be forced to lower their offer to Bradford? Is that kind of thing done?
howie can say “we will tag you and trade you to Chip”
I don’t know if it is “leverage” per se, but I’d bet they are going to try to argue the limited market for Bradford that Tommy has mentioned. Bradford can take the certainty of the deal they are offering or deal with the uncertain market for him and potentially be left without a quality team to go with.
Agreed. I am wondering why Bradford signs it today though. Do the Eagles change the offer or pull it after today?
I think in this case the threat of the unknown is present for both parties. Sam could find he has no market and cost him self by not dealing before the start of FA. Vise versa for the Eagles.
If a deal gets done after FA, one of the sides will be the clear loser. If it gets done before FA it can be spun either way.
I think you nailed it on this one. Waiting until after today is a high risk/reward strategy for both sides. The Eagles’ decision is a lot more complicated because there are implications for free agency and the draft.
So you think the Eagles lower their offer after today and offer less if he returns from free agency with his tail between his legs?
I think the threat is there.
This sort of reminds me of the Gus Bradley news when it reported that his signing was imminent.
I find it funny that fans are saying they want Bradford signed to a 1 or 2 year deal at around $12-15 million/year. If that’s contract the Eagles are offering, there’s no incentive for Sam to sign a deal before free agency. The Broncos, Texans, Redskins, or 49ers would love to sign him to that kind of deal.
My prediction is a 5 year contract for $105 million, $35 million guaranteed. Something that they can get out of within year 3 of the deal.
If they sign that deal i will be checking out for the next 6 months, watch the first 8 games while we wait to bench Bradford for our 3rd/4th round pick QB when we are 3-5 and then cheer when we fire Howie since he has become a moron.
it’s not the money it’s the years. hell give him a two year $44 mil contract if that’s what they want. but no long term deal is deserved at this point
No one is giving Bradford a deal that gives significant guaranteed money in Y3. whatever he signs is a 1 or 2 year deal with team options after that. Any deal he signs will give the team an out in 2 years just because of his injury history.
that’s the hope, for sure. and i trust howie to get it done.
You may be right, but I could also see a scenario where if Roseman wants a year 3 escape clause (like he always does), SAM may decide that he also wants that option figuring if he stays healthy, he will be worth double a few years from now and negotiate a new deal at the age of 31..
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So I could see your 5 year scenario, or I could see Bradford wanting to Gamble on free agency again in a few years and ask for a shorter deal
All yall hate me because i am always right! Nobody would take my bet that bradford wouldn’t be on the team cause you scardled! Well then get a dog! Shut yo mouth and hate more yall bitche$$$$
KC won the Super Bowl this year? you predicted that.
you disappeared after they choked in the playoffs. remember?
You predicted nothing and are a pu$$y
I told you KC was overrated and would choke in the playoffs. I even predicted the bad clock management.
that was right before you disappeared.
A pussy calling another person a pussy. Irony at its best.
Scardled:
Did you mean:
curdled
scarred
scarled
scared
did Rossman kick Bes off the team yet?
you predicted that below in the thread
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Where you at now?
Damn the Bronco’s dropped the exclusive tag on Miller. Crazy to think they were worried enough that a team would give up 2 firsts and 20+mil a year for him.
Does make their position more difficult since taging again in Y2 and Y3 has just got a lot more expensive.
The opposing team only has to give up 2 first round picks if the Broncos decline to match. They can still match on the franchise tag
Yeah but the Bronco’s could be pretty cap squeezed by the time you get to matching. You do a contract where you do something like offer $10mil signing bonus and a $20mil roster bonus with a $10mil salary in 2016, you are looking at a $32mil 2016 cap hit which the Broncos would be hard pressed to match in any way.
Think in this free agency in an open market he could set a whole new paradigm for contracts. Think he could get $23-25mil a year with 3 years worth of guarantees. Something like a 6 year $150mil with $75 guaranteed.
If JJ Watt wasn’t in the league then Miller is easily the best pass rusher in the league. Not to mention his coverage skills..damn I want a player like Miller.
did something happen to get our troll excited?
no i do not understand his outburst but i just ignore him so…
the meds wore off
when people still respond to the troll even though they know he’s a troll
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#guilty
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cannot upvote enough
I fell of the wagon earlier this week, but I am back on.
See? It is easy.
Yes, he has it right; no need to engage with the Least Interesting Person in the World.
How people must feel while talking to the troll.
Hi what’s happening in here today?
waiting on the b train
Stop feeding troll yall scum bags!!! Troll right you wrong. Bradford gone!!! Hahah told yall suckers.
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You were saying?. Another point that I made is correct about you being an idiot. Congrats guy you have showed everyone once again how little you know of anything.
forget bradford for a sec – http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2604034-mario-williams-released-by-bills-latest-comments-and-reaction
Yeah, I don’t think so. He will be 31 and expensive. We need to build the foundations. The Pats will probably sign him on a one-year prove he can still play deal, get 15 sacks, then let him go to Cali to fade away.
you’re probably right but this day is boooorrrrring
my thinking exactly, we have close to sufficient depth at Defensive end, and there’s plenty of suitable talent in this upcoming draft. would rather FA dollars spent on DB, Oline, or LB
It’s not Kempski’s opinions that makes me dislike him, it’s his lazy writing. It feels like I’m listening to Angelo Cataldi.
I feel like he’s been slacking on the stick figures lately. Maybe he’s made it so big he feels like he can coast.
What is Riddick smoking?
“ESPN’s Louis Riddick reports he ‘would be shocked’ if Ohio State RB Ezekiel Elliott is not selected in the first four picks.
‘Have not heard the kind of praise for an RB like I have heard for Ezekiel Elliott as far as his football intelligence,’ Riddick said. ‘I get the whole ‘value’ argument surrounding RBs. But many view Elliott as being a special combination of skills and character.’ Riddick appears to believe Dallas at No. 4 overall is Elliott’s likely destination. The Cowboys need a running back, and Elliott showed well at the Combine, running a 4.47 forty at 225 pounds. Still, there has only been one running back taken in the top five since 2009, and Todd Gurley’s selection at No. 10 overall last year was the highest for a running back since 2012. It would be shocking if Elliott came off the board that early.”
Guessing him to Dallas isn’t a bad guess. Their RB woes last season made Jerry look dumb. I am sure he is ready to throw resources at covering that.
Additionally, look at what DeMarco’s performance did for Romo – him not having to force the issue and take over games, as well as the Dallas defense – not having to be on the field as long. Elliott to Dallas at number 4 would actually be quite smart.
I love the kid, but a RB in the top 4’sounds crazy, then again, there probably isn’t a player besides Jalen Ramsey that I would fear going to dallas more than ZEKE, having to tackle that Monster for the next decade DOESNT sound ideal, so maybe the notion isnt that Crazy…
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I know that we have 3 high priced veterans, and I would still cheer the Eagles if they,took him #13… It’s a kid you can draft and count on giving you elite level of play, locking down a positon for the better part of a decade.
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Drafting a RB that high in TODAYS game sounds crazy, but im not sure many Eagle fans would be laughing if Dallas takes him with the #4 pick..
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Id take Ramsey over him tho… Elite Safety is so much harder to find
Cousins tagged, reports are he will sign it. Miller tagged, potentially putting Osweiler on the market. Wonder if this information has any effect with less than two hours left.
Who suggested this possibility yesterday?
https://twitter.com/JimmyKempski/status/704748780696895488
Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
DJ is a smart guy, communicates well, good evaluator.
It’s not surprising he doesn’t want it. He lives in his native San Diego. He’s a media guy with a large platform. He’s got young kids.
I’m not surprised the Eagles had interest he’s worked here before and checks all the boxes.
I also just don’t see any reason for him to give up his current lifestyle (well compensated, job stability, waaaaay fewer hours, still plugged in).
I certainly wouldn’t leave that gig for a front office position.
Agreed he’s got it all in his current setup.
da fuq
“Interviewed” is so vague. Did they interview him before they suspended their search? Recently? Who cares… People take interviews all the time just to gauge interest.
I’m sure it was exploratory in nature. Why not give him a call and why wouldn’t he sit down and hear you out.
It just was never going to end with his hiring.
Yesterday there was a report that one team formally interviewed him for the spot and another had a conversation with him where they said the job is yours if you want it.
I posted about it. Don’t know if I was the only one to make the connection though.
Is there anyone who is going to have more motivation to improve than RGIII? Watching Cousins get 20 million and tag while he gets cut?
if he needed to see cousins get paid in order to start working like a grownup, he’ll never get it
He can have all the motivation he wants but when your body is as broken down as much as his is all the motivation in the world cant help you.
RGIII had chances upon chances.
Welcome to Terrel Pryor status Rg3
Kurt Cousins?
So the QBs out on the market at this point will be: Osweiler, Manning (potentially), Bradford, RG3, Kaep (potentially), Fitz, Daniels. Do so many QBs hurt the market for Bradford or do so many openings increase his contract demands?
Well,
Osweiler, Manning (potentially) = 1 opening,
Bradford = 1 opening,
RG3 = 0 opening,
Kaep (potentially) = maybe 1 opening,
Fitz =1 opening,
Daniels = o openings.
That is 6 or 7 QBs and 4 openings.
i’ve seen multiple qb’s in one opening before. it’s not pretty but it happens
sorry
When you get that kind of “opening,” you just have to jump in the opportunity. *Better than Cox puns*
there’s nothing funny about gap penetration or ball skills
If Roseman gets SAM under contract without having to use the Tag, that’s a big accomplishment for Roseman especially when you compare it to the Cousins agent who gained all the leverage in the world from the skins tagging Cousins at 20mil, which is pretty crazy considering his lack of body of work, makes it even crazier when the skins just got Burnt by a QB who looked GREAT his first year and then couldn’t come close to duplicating that rookie success…. Even if Cousins goes on to be a great QB, handing the Cousins camp 20mil leverage via the Tag has to be a big win for Cousins agent. This small victory probably ends up gaining Cousins like an extra 3mil a year than he may have gotten had the skins played hardball without the Tag.
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You also can’t kill the skins for it, Aftet what they gave up for Rg3, they really lucked out that Cousin may emerge as their QB. After what they been thru with RG3, losing Cousin to another team would be devestating, but would there really be another team willing to steal Cousins at 20mil a year? DOUBT IT… Seems like the skins panicked… Of course I’ll be changing my tune if Rosemans game of contract chicken ends up costing us SAM in FA, but for now, I appreciate how Roseman is going about it, since it looks like SAM won’t have the best market
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Neither sides are posturing, or leaking $$$ strategically…makes me think it gets done. The most posturing we heard were rumors that SAM doesn’t like Philly, small potatoes for a deal of this magnitude
yeah Cousins pretty much saved the franchise from total devastation. i didn’t understand the hate when they picked two qbs that year. i mean they overpaid for griffin but they didn’t put the eggs in one basket. a rare time when i’m impressed by how they did things
He sure saved their ass, but them knowing Cousins is more valuable to them than any other team, Probably should have considered not taggin him and putting that 20mil contract on the table, played hardball with the cousins camp, if deep down you know you value him more than anyone so you will be willing to blow away other teams offers to keep him on the open market…. They may have made a mistake tagging him that will end up costing them a few extra millions, but I won’t rip them because they are under a tremendous amount of pressure after all the Egg on their face from the RG3 debacle
Washington had a last place schedule and didn’t beat any teams with a winning record. They over valued Cousins.
I don’t dispute that… You won’t see me raving about him as if he is anything Special.
is Cousins talented or just in the right place at the right time? Last year was a down year for Philly, Dallas and NY.
well he surely isn’t unusable. i don’t know his ceiling. as an incumbent starter i’d say he’s preferable to anything they could find on FA and better than any rookie. add in the sunk costs for RG3 and it makes sense to keep him even at an inflated cost
Best OL in the league. djax to stretch the field. Cousins was rarely pressured this year – but when teams were able to get to him he reverted to trash, i guess you can sa he’s got some tom brady in him.
Nah nah nahnah nah mah nah nah hey hey hey goooodbyeeeeee. Sam bradford and all you haters! GONE
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What’s going on little girl are you still sobbing in the corner because Sam Bradford is back? Where is all the tough talk and guarantees and bets you want to make with people? You are a joke and a coward like I said before and you are showing it. Sam Bradford is the Eagles 2016 QB, suck it loser.
Congrats to Cousins… Last year he was making $38,824 per weak for saving that sorry skins franchise from the Rg3 debacle… Next year, the kid is now set to make $1,173,706 per week… One of the few players who Probably celebrated getting Tagged.
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Now he will be compensated fairly for the beatings Cox and Curry will hand him
Yes, congratulations to Cousins . . .
He just increased the cost of mediocre QBs to $20M per year and $44 million guaranteed.
wish we had a mediocre Qb as good
Lol
We do now.
Just intuition but I think both the Eagles and Bradford are faking it. The Eagles get to look like they tried and Bradford gets to look like he was loyal. Frankly, I’d rather get Daniel or Tolzein for a lot less and fill some needs like safety and guard with good free agents and then draft 2 QBs to develop.
drafting QBs to develop can take years
Should be able to get a two or three year deal with those guys that is easy enough to get out of if necessary.
I would rather do the same thing with Bradford and draft someone.
I won’t cry too much if they sign Bradford but he might cost $13M while Daniel or Tolzein might cost $6M. Bradford has some upside but the other guys might have more.
You get what you pay for. Have you seriously watched Tolzien play? You remember what it’s like watching Sanchez play? Have you seen this fanbase’s reaction, the team’s reaction, when sanchez steps on the field?
What does it say to every other guy on the team when you’ve let 2 qb prospects who people have liked roll for Scott Tolzien. Sounds to me like you’re not serious about winning any time soon, so if i’m a vet i’m asking for a trade, and if i’m cox im going to fa, just not worth it.
but that is 3 seasons with a losing record
Brilliant prediction…
There is a fake Allbright account reporting a 4 year deal for Sam on Twitter. Don’t be duped…
so you’re saying there’s a four year deal for sam
haha, yes.
Is Matt Lombardo a/k/a “EaglesGameBalls”?
Everyone loves that guy at a party, told you so IBM up 2 points! Yeah, sound financial advice is what I want to be hearing about while watching Eagles Cowboys.
Then he reminds you of the advice he gave while watching the second Eagles-‘Boys game
Exactly, what you really want to be hearing is when your cocktail will be refreshed.
better OL and better receivers and i think we wouldn’t be having this wish washy sammy b conversation.
10% is the traditional market avg. not sure why someone would brag about underperforming the market
I’m underperforming a Vanguard index fund! Suck it!
Hey man, don’t knock indexing. lol
One of my roommates got a job with them doing inside sales right out of school. I hate him.
Please tell him to knock off their retarded ass model of putting tiny amounts of money into half a billion different tiny IRA accounts and then producing RMDs for each account for less than $100. It’s a pain in the ass putting that on tax returns.
K Thx 😉
If you want a job in Philly you should walk into Lincoln Financial and tell them to pull their heads out of their collective asses and start putting together marketable annuity products and allow CPAs and EAs to work directly with their own clients instead of sending an obvious shark into their office.
They’ll either plug you into a primo office space or call security.
pump and dump scammer
the SEC should investigate this guy
Gameballs to the left of me, Geagles to the right, here I am, stuck in the middle with you.
These QBs are the same size.
http://cdn-jpg.si.com/sites/default/files/2013/10/andrew-luck-inside.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Sam_Bradford_2015.jpg
wow shocker. they sure don’t play the same size
The ones in pink in the backgrounds aren’t the same size. Tell me about the latter.
A Nutrisystem add?
Bradford . . . Before in pink and After in white
Eskin reporting that eaglesgameballs just traded to bloggingtheboys for a comment to be made later
ok — since Osw(what’s his name) was not tagged — would that make Bradford feel like he’ll need do a contract with the Eagles? I’d assume the Eagles can use Os as leverage and say “either sign or we’ll go after him”…assuming there isn’t a market for Bradford….
Think this goes to free agency, and either we end up in a bidding war to keep Bradford or he has no starting market and he signs a much smaller deal than he was hoping for. Doubt anything happens now until free agency proper.
To be fair, Osweiler isn’t all that good.
at this point i think bradford should hit FA. Eagles can match if they want to.
Does a possible opening in Denver increase Bradford’s leverage?
Maybe Cleveland or Houston want Osweiler.
And Elway won’t pay big money to a QB whose own “magical 7 games” wasn’t as good as Bradford’s.
So Broncos would need a QB.
I wonder if the Broncos might try to trade for Brees. That defense can still be in place for at least another year and Brees is sinking the Saints (a team that needs to rebuild badly).
What a great deal that would be.
But huge cap hit to Saints.
http://overthecap.com/player/drew-brees/1492/
EDIT: DEAD MONEY ONLY . . . great deal
That is brutal. No way Brees would renegotiate that unless he really wants another ring.
Elway has a lot of leverage “look what i did for Peyton”
Think people forget how much that City loves Brees. He is a hero not just for the Super Bowl win but also because of his work post Katrina. He is still a very good QB, and you would need to offer a huge amount to make that deal worth the loss of the player and the PR hit for the team.
I don’t know much about the Saints but even with Brees they are back in the basement since all of the South teams are better than they are. Some future picks to help them get younger cornerstone players might be better than just clinging to one beloved player.
Eagles and Bradford sign 2 year deal!!!!!! Holy smokes
Just saw it, too. From the mothership, so it is legit.
Waiting on the numbers but 2 years seems like a contract i can get behind (1 year guaranteed 2nd team option is the most likely structure).
this is perfect. a bridge with the potential to be more.
Yeah the $36mil total, $26mil guaranteed seems a little steep for my taste… but some of that guaranteed may be ‘fake’ and for injury only.
i think you pay a bit more for the severability. it’s maybe a touch more than he’s truly worth but for the stability it gives the franchise and the flexibility it adds to our draft sometimes you gotta pay a lil more
For real? Bleh I’m not too happy about it.
I hope it is structured so we can get out after this year. I see it more as a lets see what we have with him and Pederson this year
But Bradford has the best footwork of any QB the Eagles have had in years.
That’s gotta be worth $26M guaranteed, no?
Whoa whoa AC don’t compare Bradford’s footwork to that of the great Nick Foles and his constant 11 step backpedaling.
That is total hyperbole. It would take Nick 30 seconds to execute an 11-step drop.
Touche.
Where is Eaglesgameballs!? I want his head
He’s prepping some more poo for eating
And I believe that given the bets he’s made, he’s not supposed to be posting here any longer. Boy, so glad that agreement will be honored…
wow he disappears when wrong once again
He’s off picking stocks in the great trading floor in the sky…
This contract is worth the money just for that.
R. I. P. Longding
NAAAA NAAA NAAAA NA NAAA NAA NAA NAAAAA HEY HEY HEY
Nah . . . he’ll just post as “Matt Lombardo”
haha, he went to WCU when i was there. did all the play by play for the rams.
hahahaha
Ok, Sam on 2 year deal, draft the QB you like this year, have him sit a year or two.
Shocker, the Eagles DIDNT let the player that we could get that gives us the best chance To Win the next few years get away… Who would have ever guessed..
$36 million over 2 years. So right at the upper end of people’s comfortable range. But $26 million guaranteed.
Not bad. Nice job Howie for sticking it to Condon.
Chip’s version of that would have been $42 million for 2 years plus surrendering a 2nd round pick to the Cowboys
“No no chip seriously don’t give us 40 imllion a year. Sam would like someone to block for him? Stop insisting! Seriously go get him some help! NO not another fucking old running back! WHYYYYY?”
-Tom Condon in a bizzaro universe where chip is still here
noice
My gut instinct is it will be something like $16mil in 2016, and $20mil in 2017, with a $10mil guaranteed for injury, but not play until some time in march 2017.
I wonder how much outrage there will be if Bradford plays us out of drafting a real franchise QB if we don’t take one this year?
zero from me
Bradford signed!
troll wrong once again!
He hasn’t been right..ever.
Who?
Nolan Carrol two year extension needs to be taken care of tomorrow… And position ourselves to pounce of a FA Safety
If we spend for Carrol we may not have enough for a safety.
A fringe starter coming ng off ankle surgery? I doubt his modest. 1 or two year prove it deal has any bearing on what we do at Safety…. If we sign Nolan it won’t be for much, he has little leverage, especially with Rowe emerging… 10 weeks starting and ankle surgery probably isn’t the best time to hit the open market. I would think he stays here for a year, maybe two tries to get his value up and then test the market… But who knows, haven’t heard anything other than mutual interest from both sides. We’ll see
Glad he’s signed but ouch that’s pricey
BOOOO!!!!
Everyone can commence to troll the troll now. I believe he had a post below calling everyone here stupid because he said Bradford is gone.
I just think bradford sucks. He makes some pretty looking throws and has the look. But, going to the film… not so much. Can’t have a guy leaving plays all over the feild. Mentally the guy just doesn’t cut it.
He actually looks better on film where he you can see his pocket presence and footwork
He just does not attack a defense, or even try aggressive throws… the 5 yard check downs on 3rd and 10 drive me nuts.
Hopefully he can improve in new system and with a dominant defense maybe his conservativism is a benefit rather than a detriment.
He was still getting better at the end of the year — don’t think we’ve seen his ceiling yet.
But yes, throwing downfield is one of the things he needs to keep improving at. He was terrible early in the year, when first impressions are set, but was much better towards the end. However, it still wasn’t great… he needs to keep improving in that aspect. Hopefully having all the QB coach talent can help there.
Of course we haven’t seen his a ceiling, he was still clearly improbing when the year ended… Before we saw SAM play a single game for us, the assumption was he would get off to a slow start and we would see more of what he is really capable the second half of the season Having missed the past two years, Now that it played out Exactly that way, anti-SAM fans want To use that against him? It’s EXACTLY what was Expected before we ever saw SAM play QB for us
I just hope we’ve seen his floor.
I’m not good with the footwork. I just feel like anticipation is bad. Contract is a good deal for everyone, if, as it is reported 2 yr deal.
With the Bradford extension, I don’t think we’re going to be major players in FA. No George Illoka for us.
The Eagles still have enough money to be active in FA. I am still expecting one starting caliber guard and safety.
When the best leverage we can come up with is “if you don’t sigń we can just sigń Chase Daniel”… Lol that’s a pretty clear indication of what was going to Happen… You don’t dick around with the QB position
Ah ready for a couple years of mediocrity
So basically what we’ve been for years
Think we still go for a QB in the draft early, but can now let the develop a year and make a choice then. Bradford does have the upside to be a good player… just unlikely he ever makes it at this point.
Honesty I’d rather just be bad next year then drop $36M on a two year stop gap if the plan is to take a QB
*26 guaranteed. 36 will probably never be approached.
well the devil is in the detail. Could be very different contracts depending on how they are written.
I trust Howie with this contract.
So is he playing year two or not? 26 for 1 sounds worse…is it injury related, performance based idk
Maybe this is the year he breaks out!!!!!!!!!!!!!
breaks something
Breaks something else I think you meant to say.
Breaking news: Bradford stubs toe and is out for the rest of the season.
Being that a situation like that is totally realistic please don’t scare me like that sir.
nah too many words
Why is everyone mad over a two year contract for a QB even if he is in the 15 or so range?? Come on! Kirk Cousins franchise tag is much bigger so will his next contract! Let’s get our QB in this draft let him learn in the NFL behind Sam and go from there. Far better than where we would be without Sleeves. Watching Chase Daniels or Bradford next year is a no brainer for me.
I’d rather pay Cousins than Bradford, not that I envy the Redskins lol, difference between tag and Bradford contract is a couple million or less if it’s transition tag
cousins is a product of that o-line and our crappy no-pressure defense. Going to be different year w/ Schwartz here.
If I recall that OL is poop.
Cowboys OL coach really turned them around. Think we had 0 sacks both times we played them (probably says more about us than them) but they couldn’t handle a real playoff team
I think you are forgetting the sack that the Legend Jordan Hicks laid out on Romo and knocked him out. (I don’t know for sure if it was a sack on that play, I was just trying to be witty)
Sorry meant former cowboys OL coach went to Redskins. Skins’ unit was much improved as a result.
Howie is ok with me. This is really the best of both worlds. Basically a prove it deal for Bradford, less money than the tag. Surprised he got both a short term deal and decent $. 26million guaranteed isn’t bad. He was going to get the full value next year anyway.
In the end it is what it is, ready to ride it out and hope for the best even if I’m not feeling it
What do you care? They are still drafting a QB… They just saved you from Sanchez or Chase, and you ARENT happy? Only in philly
“What do you care?” Uuuuh sorry for caring about my team¯_(ツ)_/¯ if being bad for a year potentially gets us the franchise QB we desperately need, then so be it… It’s not “only in Philly” where fans don’t want to be mediocre believe it or not
You care about Our team, but you pretend that you will actuall be be ok with watching a year of Chase? Lol ok…
We’d all be better off if you became a cockroach fan. You’re a Stepford fan.
I don’t get it *__*
For the record, I think it’s a good deal. Win win for both player and team. Also, I can’t help but to think Sam Bradford is the Jeff Fisher of QBs.
Perfect signing. No long contract saying he’s here forever and he’s elite. He’ll get his money and Eagles have time to find replacement…
He could also pan out and get extended… Perfect deal, gives us the best chance to win, and we retain total Flexibility moving forward… No need to make decisions out of desperation, today is a win
Right. I see nothing wrong with this deal.
Also, what happens if our defense takes a giant step forward with Schwartz this year and we find ourselves in the playoffs. Something tells me we are going to be so much happier having Bradford at QB vs Daniels/Sanchez. Stranger things have happened.
Sanchez still being on the team is too long for my liking…
He has to go now
Gotta imagine he was only being held on too because Bradford was not resigned. Now I think he gets cut.
Hopefully he doesn’t survive another 24 hours
They save an extra 1M if they were able to trade him… wonder if that is the hold up? I think we need his savings by the time we hit FA though… We currently only have 13M in space. (I estimated Sam at 18M liberally, it could be a bit lower)
only a dead dog would be stupid enough to trade for him
the browns?
Was thinking our only hope is Chip. I would rather just cut him though at this point. I think if anyone was interested the FO would have heard at the combine.
CHIP KELLY!!! Houston needs a bridge QB? Lol I’m reaching, I know…
I wouldn’t even call that a reach, that’s very plausible brother. I can see him wasting assets to bring in Sanchez to “compete” with Gabbert while knowing the entire time that it isn’t a competition.
Draft OL
Draft OL
Draft OL
draft bpa
^^This.
BPA would actually be DL.
could be ILB or CB as well but most likely is a DT. Rankins and Cox on 3rd down would get me licking my lips.
WR! (jk)
I don’t love Treadwell so i would be ¯_(ツ)_/¯ if we drafted him at 13. He will be a good player but i don’t see what he does hugely better than Matthews
I like him better than Huff(maybe even Aggie) … what about Ragland?
I’m not even sure Treadwell ends up being the first WR drafted
yeah i’d honestly prefer Coleman, Doctson, or Sheppard for us
Catch the ball? Breaks tackles. (I do like Matthews, but IMHO Treadwell is a couple of notches higher.
Do not draft OL at 13
Coach . . .
If you’re making the call, what do you do in Rd 1?
I’m calling Jax and the Ravens and checking prices to move up for a QB. And I’m calling anyone in the 20s about moving out of the pick.
With no 2nd Rd pick . . .
Any quality players you’d be willing to include in a deal to move up?
I’m offering 2 packages to move up.
13 + 2017 1st round
or
13 + DETs 3rd + 2017 2nd
Goff in green would look pretty damn good.
I will write a 25 thousand word 100 vine/gif long love letter to Howie and Goff.
Sounds much more eloquent than my impending Dak Prescott hate mail if that pick should come to pass.
MM . . . smoking!
HUGE dropoff from Tunsil and Stanley to the next guy worth taking.
This is the year where I’m hoping that we trade down.
Well, sometimes there are moments in your life where you know everything will be different now.
https://twitter.com/joebanner13/status/704784792462757888
ATG . . . great tweet to Banner re: “Too Soon to Sign” question.
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So is Banner saying no one but the Eagles wanted Bradford at this price?
Or close to it?
I think it’s more along the lines of “no one wanted Bradford.” Looking at the market, there wasn’t really one for him.
I love when people talk, but don’t say anything.
I don’t understand?
“The agents now know who wants who and at what price. The door in some situations is starting to open to do deals”
I thought it was a good answer, after Joe had been harping on the agents making poor decisions by allowing their players to sign a few weeks ago. He was saying that these guys are plugged in and don’t need to wait for the actual start of FA to find out what will be offered.
I think at least that he wasn’t going to make substantially more a few weeks from now.
Nevermind, I think I”m slow on the news.
Thanks 4 the update.
No problem!
Where’s the troll now?
Gone because he was wrong as usual. Scroll down the threads you’ll some post from me attacking him.
Either back under his bridge or climbing up on top of a higher one.
I guess that make two win-wins today.
maybe he’s going to KC for their super bowl parade?
oh wait, that prediction didn’t happen either
Speaking of No. 7 . . .
38 years ago (almost to the day), the Eagles locked-in another No. 7 at QB with a new contract.
I am a little too young to know that but I am going to take a shot at who you might be referring to. Jaws?
You are correct, sir!
http://gamma.library.temple.edu/exhibits/files/original/ece34696b25eb60468793d2f89de038a.jpg
1st off excellent reference pal and 2nd that was a complete shot in the dark. I almost said Bobby Hoying but remembered he was traded and that was less then 38 years ago.
When Vermeil acquired Jaws from the Rams (coincidentally) . . . he’d already proven himself durable and a winner with good players around him.
Fans immediately believed in the Vermeil program with that trade.
It changed the Eagles’ nearly 2 decades of bad fortune.
Always appreciate the history friend.
Anyone a cap expert here? I would really like to see the cap hits on this new deal. Les is reporting that this deal has playoff incentives up to 40M. What on earth would be the point on going over the cap hit of the franchise tag (19.9M) on a two year deal?
I’d say keep an eye on overthecap.com or @Jason_OTC on twitter. They do a good cap/deal break down.
great suggestion
I live on OTC and their calculator, haha.
If Bradford outplays the deal next year you still have leverage and you don’t get Jeremy Maclin’d
If we make a playoff run and win the Superbowl, I think he’d be worth it.
Do you understand what an incentive is ? And you make him happy.
a payment or concession to stimulate greater output
a thing that motivates or encourages one to do something.
When we get details i can break it down, but without knowing the structure it is entirely guess work. Being a 2 year deal i doubt there is much signing bonus.
Would guess it is something like $3mil signing bonus, 13$mil salary fully guaranteed in 2016. $10mil roster bonus in 2017 guaranteed for injury on something like 5th day of the league year, and $10mil salary in 2017, with a couple of probowl/sb bonus added to get the deal to a possible 40.
Jeez, for Bradford’s sake, I hope the Pro Bowl’s not an incentive.
Condon’d be better off going with 2nd-team All NFC from the PFW.
The joke-level is way too high with Pro Bowl voting.
simple, have Bradford start dating a famous actress, instant media recognition and pro bowl votes if he plays well.
With the speed at which players drop out of the Pro Bowl, he could be bottom-third and still make it in by default. Pretty astute move by Condon imo.
I think I get it, thanks. So his cap number will probably not be above the FT number. Also for all those worrying if we get rid of him next year. Not really a huge concern considering we will have a rookie on a rookie contract so it probably will not prevent us from much.
Excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me! Bradford is great. Love the guy!
so far Bradford’s done about as much as this former No. 7:
http://www.mainlineautographs.com/images/product_pics/reaves0001_20100109180.gif
KC tag their safety?
Yes they did.
yup
I’m happy he’s signed but I don’t understand how people are saying it’s a great contract. It’s two years 36 mill with 26 guaranteed. So if we cut him sheet one year, we will pay him 26 million. If he played out his contract, he’ll get 18 mill a year… So either 18 or 26 million a year… Am I missing something
guaranteed is not always ‘guaranteed’.could be for ‘injury’ only. So if has a career ending injury then he takes care of his family but Eagles are not on the hook for year 2 if he is ¯_(ツ)_/¯.
“takes care of his family”…with $78M in salary already paid, he should have been OK before this contract 😉
There is:
1. All guaranteed $ guaranteed at signing. (Signing bonuses or, as with Foles, a roster bonus.)
2. Guaranteed $ fully guaranteed for injury only.
3. Guaranteed $ becoming guaranteed on Day 3 (or whatever) of the league year. In essence, a performance guarantee.
All depends on the contractual details.
26 million guaranteed is what it is. Would you have preferred 1 year at 26 million. They shrunk it to the optimal what is your suggestion. I don’t get what your issue is. 26 million guaranteed was the number what else could they do given that?
I don’t understand what you’re asking
I get a kick out of the Twitterverse referring to HOWIE as “our Supreme Leader”..
¯_(ツ)_/¯ to many characters to burn in a tweet, Howie is shorter. Now a nice meme with Howie’s head this would be something i could get behind:
So I estimated Sams cap at 18M for the sake of calculations. If we cut Sanchez, we will currently be 16.5M under for the top 51. We absolutely need to create more cap room if we plan to grab a Safety and/or Guard in Free Agency. Also we cannot forget the Cox extension and still be remaining healthy in future years.
This may be why an asset for Bennie Logan at this time could be the right move. We get nothing when he leaves next year, and I don’t think we will have the room after the Cox extension if we plan to grab anyone in free agency. It becomes an either/or situation. I would rather grab a top notch safety and a mid tier Guard, or vice versa. This draft is very deep at DT, not so much at Safety.
I have also said I am for trading Connor Barwin if we need to create space. We won’t get anything for Sproles, and I doubt anyone bites on DeMarco.
Not postive that a FA Guard is coming, but a Safety is on its way
That is where we differ. I think Barwin is good at a lot of things. But he is not our best edge rusher. I believe (this is my opinion lol) that both Curry and Graham will be better now that neither of them have to drop into coverage anymore. It is all about resource allocation. And right now, RB and DL (with a Cox extension) will be taking up too much. But we have debated this several times LOL.
Call him what u want, he will be here this yeàr
Cutting Sanchez would get 3.5 back. We’ll still need a backup, so the question is if you can get a decent one for less than that. Decent chance of that.
Small chance we keep Sanchez until we see how the draft plays out. We are almost certainly still drafting a QB, but if we miss on the top targets we may not feel comfortable with the rookie coming into games at all and still need a veteran.
Re: The Eagles Other Heisman Trophy Winning QB – No. 7, too
Little remembered fact . . .
Once upon a time, the Eagles had another No. 7 at QB who’d won a Heisman trophy. John Huarte – Notre Dame ’64.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HuarJo00.htm
http://www.nasljerseys.com/images/2015/Eagles%2068%20Home%20John%20Huarte.jpg
This deal thrice protects the Eagles.
– If Bradford plays like poop or get injured, he’s gone.
– If a rookie takes the job, Bradford is gone (and maybe even traded if Bradford is also playing well)
– If Bradford plays lights out and makes all 32 starts…………….we can extend him with real money, but didn’t have to yet.
If Bradford ever signs another contract with Philly, it will most-likely mean he is a franchise QB.
And we get to find that out for very low risk.
Bottom line . . .
There’s not a better QB available this off-season.
There’s talent enough to make a push for the NFC East title.
And the team’s going to draft a QB to develop — so there’s no pressure in Y-1 to play the kid.
The only question was whether Condon would find a LT opportunity for Bradford . . . he didn’t.
Nope. There was no market.
Bingo
I don’t know about you guys, but I just want to win the frigging NFCE next season.
If we can get some competent o-linemen…………we should win it.
Damn right
I think it’s the Giants’ turn next year.
Not ok.
That’s a very positive way to look at it.
The only thing positive about the Giants is that I’d rather use one of their jerseys to wipe my poo than my bare hand. F them.
I upvoted you for the general sediment but i don’t know about the whole poo hands Giants players thing.
The basic concept it that that entire franchise / fan base has the same basic worth as human excrement.
The Giants cannot be allowed to win the NFCE because no matter how crappy they are in the regular season they’d probly go on to win another SB with a hot streak again.
We can emerge from the dumpster fire, but can we win a playoff game?
I wonder if this puts Hackenberg in play as a potential QB to groom in round 2 or later. He seems to have the skillset and desire to succeed. Can he be coached up, I guess we’ll find out how Doug and Howie feel about that next month.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
https://www.topechelon.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Say-No.jpg
My concern with Hack.
I wouldn’t take him earlier than round 3. He’s risky.
O’Brien might not let him get past round 2.
BOB might not let him get past pick 18 if he believes in him.
Hack has the desire to succeed? I highly disagree with that sentiment due to the fact that he basically gave up on trying to learn the nuances of the new offense Franklin brought with him to Penn State. To me that doesn’t scream desire at all, actually more sounds like a petulant child not getting his way.
And apparently he spent his interviews at the combine saying all his problems were because of his coach and teammates.
No thanks.
I didn’t know that at all, thanks for that D3.
Coach —
I read that about Hack and thought “Geno Smith without the numbers.”
Kid’s in for a long, long 3 days.
Jim Kelly’s nephew on the other hand will get drafted by a team stupid enough to believe in him ala Manziel.
Somehow still less of a character concern than his teammate Knemdiche.
That kid is pure street trash. He’s been in trouble non-stop. I want no parts of Kelly.
Do you really mean “all his problems” or some of his problems? Anyone who watched Penn State play the last 2 years knows that the shitty offensive coordinator and converted defensive lineman playing offensive line were the main problems.
That may be all true, but coaches don’t want that type of tude on a team. I love PSU and Hack, but that is the answer a petulant child would give.
But it might not matter to O’Brien.
The reports are he spent most of his time putting blame on others.
Teams aren’t fucking stupid. They’ve watched your tape. They know the offensive system was incoherent at times and your OL was very bad.
It’s about sitting there and taking responsibility.
It’s not his coaches or OL fault that he bounces a bubble screen.
Those were not pleasant to watch. I had to scream “SET YOUR F-ING FEET” a few too many times at him over the last two years.
And then he did it at the combine. THE ARM TALENT KID COULDN”T THROW THE BALL!
ITS THE OL FAULT!
https://twitter.com/WillBrinson/status/703611516130426881
That’s a BINGO!!
Well done!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haJLOvOwvkI
OK, OK I get it. Penn State sucked because Hackenberg got gunshy and his mechanics faltered after getting crushed every other play. If he was any good, he would have elevated his teammates and coaches to play better. I guess this is sort of like the argument that Sammy sucked because he didn’t elevate his receivers to not drop balls.
Goff and Hundley both played behind tire fire OLs. Yet their mechanics weren’t shitshows. And neither ran to teams and cryed its not my fault.
That was a rather rude inclusion of Hundley in with QBs.
I will fight you mike.
Or I will fly to London and kneecap Payet.
Your choice.
If you’re up for running the gauntlet in London and you like Hundley; I suggest you give up both crack and heroin.
Cal and ULCA’s lines were nothing, nothing like Penn State’s.
Did any of you guys ever consider that a team smitten with Hack told these reporters this information to lower his stock for a better chance of drafting him? Why in the world do you guys take every Tweet as gospel? Maybe, just maybe disinformation is leaked as part of a larger agenda by the person or organization leaking the information.
Yes they were.
And Holy Tinfoil Hat batman.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/13d2d2ff9586358be9ec31c033c52aba6f0cdc6774b0306b6419aa613e165a2b.jpg
This is Logan Thomas all over again.
Huh? You’re comparing a pocket passer with -242 rushing yards and 2 tds with a running QB with 1359 yards and 24 TDs?
He’s big he’s got a big arm, so what his mechanics are trash and he cant complete basic passes consistently. It’s the coaches fault and a lack of talent.
By nuances of the offense you mean try not to get crushed before making his first read. I would agree that he seemed to fail at that.
He failed at everything that came with the new offense. There is a reason he is going to be a mid round pick. Throw in what D3 just said below about him throwing his coaches and teammates under the bus and he also has no accountability. I’d take him in the 6th round.
Hack may be a priority RFA.
I guess that 1/2″ Sam has on him makes all the difference in hand size.
Generalize much?
https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/704702653033385984
So you think his poor play had nothing to do with their fired offensive coordinator and crappy offensive line?
I am not putting the entire blame on Hack, but he should of least taking some responsibility for his shortcomings.
How do you know he didn’t take some of the blame?
How do you know he did?
I don’t, but if people are reporting it then some team leaked it and I would tend to believe it happened then.
Just like several reporters leaked that Sam didn’t like playing in Philly. Many media members ran with that too and evidently that wasn’t true.
…..if anyone needs an agent let me know haha.
MattE • 19 days ago
If I am Sam Bradford I am literally taking notes from Revis, but situation is a bit different. Obviously Revis was the best at his position, whereas Bradford HAS NEVER been a Top-15 QB (except maybe 1 season). But just by shear numbers a team automatically has twice as many CB starters (2) vs a QB (1), thus the supply of that market right there is that much smaller. We are missing the point that Bradford’s Agent is STILL SELLING his potential, because contracts being awarded to veterans is either one of two things. 1) Raise for past performance for same organization + raise for future potential, 2) Future Potential. Either way Bradford is going to get maxed out at a top number due to no past success, and his only counter to maximize his earnings is taking highest guaranteed deals in any situation. Would you rather $30mill guranteed over 3 years or wait around 4 years for the same guaranteed, thus the main argument for ANY FOOTBALL CONTRACT IS GUARANTEED MONEY PERIOD! Fuck these 6 year contracts with 30% guaranteed, I want as much as i can get as quick as i can because you never know when you might blow off your fingers with fireworks (see what i did there)….. Houston Offers me $100mill/5yrs with $20mill guaranteed (and stipulations) or Philly offers me $30mill/2yrs fully guaranteed. At this point it is a question of Sam’s wallet vs. pride.
You can take ownership of the king of Philly sports. I’ll if I can send Jillian Mele over to you for the night. You’ve earned it.
i was hoping for someone to poke his head around these parts after he told me i was a f*cking moron for above comments almost 3 weeks ago lol
His mom should’ve swallowed him…. too much?
…..either way I am cool with this contract lol
I’m a full supporter of marriage equality if you want to poke heads with that dude, but I think you should give Jillian a shot as well.
it’s all love in Philly lol
Nah I am smarter than that lol.
No kids, No wife, is quite the f*cking life.
And that guy would make a terrible spouse.
… he is the type i feel that would stay on the phone with customer service (any product or service) for hours on end just to make a point…. we call that nagging.
No kids and no wife? You are living the dream my friend. Good thing my wife and son don’t read this blog.
It’s not unnoticed that someone always disappears when wrong. Every Eagles win was light a breath a fresh air for the week.
WHATTT!!!.. How can no team take that magical 7 game stretch seriously. I mean Brandon Weeden basically accomplished the same thing. These teams are really missing out on mediocrity.
Actually, mediocrity would be a step up for Bradford, at least in terms of wins and losses. Bradford sits firmly at .400. Granted, he played for the Rams, but still.
Its not like it changed when he came here. Granted, he didn’t play all the games, but with Bradford is that really something positive.
I cannot believe we’re paying the guy 18 mill a year. Howie has done a great job, but did he not watch how it turned out for, lets say the 49ers and the Ravens when you massively overpay a flawed QB with this kind of contract? Their guys even made it to the Super Bowl, admittedly because Flacco played awesome in the postseason. Funny how Kaep is getting cut, and can’t be traded due to his horrible contract and Flacco is in talks about a restructure.
At least its a short deal.
“At least its a short deal”
Don’t worry about it other than this.
How about when we let talent go because we’re overpaying for a mediocre QB who had no market amongst other teams? Do I worry then?
I’m not mad Bradford is back, my stance throughout his stay has been not paying for him at a level his play doesn’t warrant. I understand Cox isn’t gonna leave now solely due to Bradfords contract, but talent will suffer. 18 mill is basically double of Jason Peters, who is our best paid player in 2016.
Maybe we’ll keep our own talent because Howie does some numbers voodoo, but that FA OL help we desperately need, yeah thats not gonna be a particularly impressive guy. We finally saw good safety play, fine if Maxwell isn’t a fit, but can we afford to replace him now or do we take another chance at Jarrad Page and Pat Chung? Any luxury signing is gone. That veteran WR to help our massively overrated and young WR corps? dream fucking on.
What QB did you want? I wouldn’t sign anyone if we were tanking.
I didn’t really want any FA QB, no doubt Bradford is the best choice. I just find it foolish to pay Kobe beef money for a regular steak. If Bradford didn’t want to accept that, they we search for a QB, probably in the draft. If we dont like any in this years draft, we play Mark Sanchez and suck. Its not like signing Bradford will do us the same good that the Broncos got from signing Peyton Manning. Bradford will make us mediocre by any sign there is.
Its not that i long for the Chase Daniels or Mark Sanchez era. Its not that I find Wentz or Goff to be the next coming of Brady. Its not that i loathe the Bradford era. I’m just not into massively overpaying for an at best mediocre QB. Bradford is that QB, 18 mill per year is that overpaying.
What does that have to do with you wanting to sign free agents with the savings from not signing Bradford? You want to sign FAs and you don’t even have a QB suggestion?
Um, the salary cap…? Since there isn’t an unlimited amount to spend, you dont think removing 18 million from our pool will hurt our ability to resign our own and sign free agents?
Thats what Bradfords contract has to do with signing free agents, he took a large chunk of the money. A larger chunk than he deserved, which is stupid.
Kinda like paying 2 dollars at the 99 cent store. Sure you got a ruler for 2 dollars, but by the nature of the premise, it was worth 99 cents.
No point in signing FAs so cap space is meaningless with NO QB. You want to lose like Titans and Bucs did if you have no QB.
Jim Schwartz isn’t about to let this team tank. The defense is going to carry hard no matter what in 2016.
There was context to my comment. You have to read everything. I don’t know what carry hard is lol but I absolutely agree. I think you missed the point.
If you didn’t sign Bradford, the only way to have a reasonably realistic plan to get a top QB is to tank. I’m asking about O.P. ‘s reasoning behind wanting to sign FAs without a good QB option. He has no sure QB …Sanchez.
The “carry hard” thing is from the gaming community. When one person ends up doing enough damage/kills to secure victory while the rest of the team is lost or can’t hit the side of a barn.
A few points.
1) Don’t assume $18 is his 2016 cap charge. LaCanfora is already calling BS on the $26 million guarantee number being fluff by Condon.
2) “Maybe we’ll keep our own talent because Howie does some numbers voodoo,” – We’ll be able to keep every guy we want.
3) We need to draft well and keep our guys, not do all of the signings you’re referencing on here. That would be Dream Team III; which isn’t smart football.
Yeah and if Bradford left , you may want the comp pick and to go in the tank to find a QB. You have to look at the flip side.
I never bought the sign players with money we save not signing Bradford argument. I just didn’t want him on a long term deal. You probably aren’t going anywhere anyway with Chase Daniel.
1. Sure, we’re yet to see the numbers. Maybe the deal will be even shorter. Right now, we have a 2 year contract worth 36 million.
2. Probably, like I said, Cox probably doesn’t leave. Nobody probably does as of right now. However, the general consensus is that these huge contracts often hurt a team if the QB doesn’t perform to overcome that deficit. It probably won’t happen because its a short deal, but flat our denying that we want suffer if we get stuck with a huge QB contract is stupid. Cincy is about to loose a lot of players because they have to choose between FAs. They’re a good team, had good players. Answer honestly, do you think Daltons contract, which is not an 18 mil average, has nothing to do with loosing Sanu, Iloka etc.? Obviously its not the sole reason, but it its the Bengals biggest contract on a team that has AJ Green, belonging to a guy who never won a playoff game.
3. Every single team wants to build through the draft. Every single team, even the Packers, sign FAs. With us severely lacking OL starters and OL depth, that was a prime spot to improve. Our SS is wide open. Bradford contract doesn’t rule out anything, but it does severely hurt our ability to compete for a signing of Alex Boone, Brandon Brooks, Jeff Allen, Sweezy, Weddle, Iloka, Tayshaun Gibson or whoever the hell we like. Obviously we can sign Jaiqwan Jarrett and Mike McGlynn and hope for the best.
Also, failing to fill gaps in FA, often means having to draft for needs. Arguably a worse tactic than signing overpriced FAs, since it ends up getting you Danny Watkins in the first round. Luckily our new HC comes from a regime that would do nothing of the sort, but thats a whole other issue. One i’ve come to accept since Schwartz was hired.
What talent are we letting go? We’re in zero danger of that right now. We’ve just spent the offseason locking our most promising guys up, and you’re worried about letting people go?
The Bradford contract is incredibly team friendly. Not sure why the negative reaction.
Ya they aren’t eagles fans
2 years is the kind of love that should make Sammy weak in the knees…
I like what you did there.
Deal with Bradford could be a 1-year rental.
Y-1
$15 million in 2016 roster bonus (guaranteed at signing).
$1 salary for 2016 (guaranteed at signing).
Y-2
$10 million roster bonus – becomes guaranteed on 3rd day of League Year
$10 million salary
Manageable cap numbers. (Hypothetical)
Basically puts of the question of whether Bradford’s the Eagles’ future QB for another year . . .
And lets the Eagles see how the draft goes.
that would be a win for the Eagles/Pederson
way too team-friendly when he had the leverage going into Free Agency.
Play around with the numbers. So maybe it’s $18M in Y-1 guaranteed. Doesn’t matter.
My point is, the team and Bradford may both have a reason to structure the deal in a way that forces a decision after Y-1.
Fully guaranteeing $26M at signing — more than the Tag — doesn’t make sense.
it’s only fair to give Johnny Utah a shot in one of those “pro-style” offenses where he can audible if he wants, take a breath, tell jokes in the huddle, etc.. and not have the stress of the college attack made for kids with unlimited energy and back ups. we have a “pro-style” coach now, a 3 headed monstrosity of RB crew, wide receivers with hands on their wrists, and an “oh-line” that should help him become something or other so when he finally makes it to Cleveland he will get paid what they think he deserves.
Johnny Utah? I’d rather have Shane “Footsteps” Falco, he won with replacement players and that’s hard to do.
Johnny Utah . . .
1. Ohio State University – Class of ’88
2. 1x All Conference QB – Big 10 in ’87
3. 1988 Rose Bowl starter — injured in 4th Q w/ Buckeyes ahead.
4. Right knee folded back about 90 degrees the wrong way.
5. 2 years of rehab . . . missed his pro window.
6. Currently, can be found surfing — Latigo Beach, LA CAL
he is an FBI AGENT!
well done AC
I know. Isn’t it wild!
Cmon AC you have to give it Footsteps Falco. He beat Dallas!!!
You may have the better argument.
But Johnny Utah had so much potential . . .
* great feet in the pocket
* stood in and took hits
* locker room leader
Touche sir, I will give you that. I will tell you 2 things though, I do like Falco’s mobility and the way he elevated a team of replacement players. I would take them both to be the QB of the Eagles.
Falco’s mobility . . . that’s the tie-breaker
It’s nice that everyone cares about Bradford, but let’s get serious here for a moment. The most important person this off-season is Cody Parkey’s surgeon and rehab people. If they get him back into form they will be the real MVPs of 2016.
Heck, if Parkey repeated his rookie season’s efficiency, or Strugis hits a couple more FGs . . .
Bradford would have been the one to get the franchise tag.
While Cousins would have been taking the 2-year $36M deal.
(Kidding)
And we would still have Chipper… Howie Roseman you sly dog.
edit: to include an image of Howie demonstrating proper stretching techniques to Parkey (too bad i couldn’t find one).
Howie’s people probably redacted them from Google.
What’s that mean?
The Eagles can walk away after 1 year for the price of a $4M cap hit.
Period.
well depends on the signing bonus but yes.
I would also suspect that the 2nd year has offset language so if he signs elsewhere on a new deal the Eagles do not have to pay that $4mil.
F:
I’m assuming Bradford’s $18M in 2016 is guaranteed salary/roster bonus money. (And it’s his cap number)
But if a signing bonus is involved, I’d think — to get max flexibility on both sides — it’s small enough that a cap hit in 2017 isn’t so much that the Eagles can’t walk away.
So, that likely means that his 2016 salary is fully guaranteed so sum of 2016 sal + SB = $18M. Then, to reach $36M total, 2017 salary is $18M with $4M of that guaranteed for skill($8M for injury). 2016 cap hit will depend how much of that $18M is signing bonus vs. salary and thus pro-rated for 2 years. With only $4M guaranteed in 2017, it makes him cuttable with a rising cap. However, combined with the SB proration for 2017 cutting him would cause a sizable dead money hit to the 2017 cap. It’d still be doable, but not appealing.
More details:
Andrew Brandt @AndrewBrandt 8m8 minutes ago
Bradford details continued: $11M signing bonus, $7M salary in 2016. $4M of 2017 salary fully guaranteed, another $4M guaranteed for injury.
So, cap hit for 2016 = $12.5M. $23.5M in 2017. Dead money hit if cut after this year = $9.5M. Possible though that that $4M guarantee for 2017 includes offset language(amount made from other team he’d sign with would be deducted).
So what’s the actual cap hit this year and next? It’s all so confusing.
my calcuations are 12.5M for 2016, and 23.5 for 2017; The belief would be we cut him next year for 9.5M (14M in savings) if we dont want to keep him. If we do keep him, he gets extended. Any cap experts…?
I think you’re way off on next year. If he’s guaranteed $4 million next year, and we’d take a dead money hit for $9.5 million, doesn’t that make his actual cap number $13.5 million next year?
LAE —
I think you’re including the $4M in “Injury Guarantee” money in the cap hit to walk away.
Assuming he’s healthy, that number falls away.
23.5- (14M we would save)= 9.5M dead money hit
GRichards:
Thoughts on the deal?
Good, fair deal from both sides perspective. Eagles get him at reasonable cap hit for 2016 with option of getting him for 2017 at healthy, but not exorbitant money. Bradford gets leverage for future extension with a big enough 2017 cap hit that franchising for 2018 isn’t appealing. I’d like to know if that $4M guarantee for 2017 includes offset language.
offset language . . .
great question.
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If you’d have to guess, what do you think?
My guess is yes. Eagles usually insist on it. Last time they caved was with Asomugha signing.
This is a very good deal in my opinion.
12.5M cap for 2016, 23.5 for 2017?
That looks right.
Walkaway cap-hit for Eagles in 2017 is $9.5M.
Would be a good sized pill to swallow.
Total cap figure of $23.5 in 2017 also seems like an invitation for both sides to rethink the relationship.
I am a big fan. Short term deal, low hit in 2016; There is no way he is seeing 23.5M in 2017. He will either be released or extended. 9.5M Dead money sucks but it is do-able with a rookie QB.
NC:
I think you’ve summed it up perfectly
If Bradford signs elsewhere his salary from the next team will be deducted from the $4M guarantee in 2017. So in all likelihood the walk away cap hit will end up being $5.5M
Somewhere out there the Howie haters are mumbling to themselves about how Howie is such a rat for lowballing Bradford somehow.
Nah, I might not like Howie, but the name of the game is not wrecking your cap.
Does this mean there are Howie lovers
Interesting side effect of this deal/structure is that Bradford will have huge leverage if he plays like a franchise QB in the next 2 years. His non exclusive tag number will be at least $28.2mil (+1.2x any bonus) in 2018 which would be a burden.
I do not think he ever plays under that 23.5M in 2017; he will either get released or extended in the off-season.
well depends on his play, if Eagles go 11-5 and win a wildcard game and he looks solid or better then you might just try to go again with the contract as it is.
The deal looks like Y-2 is the proverbial “ticking time bomb” . . . for the reasons you wrote.
(for both sides)
Interesting side effect is Sam Bradford under center
12.5 m against cap this year so we have 17.5 m left to play with this year. Also hoping Sanchez gets moved off the books.
Jenkins has not been updated on OTC, so it should be around 18.5M
Just need to extend Cox now.
Think we need to wait until after Free Agency. After a few more cuts/trades we will know exactly how much of Cox’s cap we can swallow this year…. *I hate these Cox puns but I had to get one in*
Cap is not really a concern since the contract will kick in 2017 really, so because he has a $8mil cap this year anything he signs probably lowers the cap in 2016.
Issue holding up the deal is how much is his deal worth. Anything he signs today is going to look cheap compared to 2017 free agency, and for the Eagles the tag in 2017 will be cheaper than his value.
Think this might run into 2017 at this point.
It’s hard to beat these cox puns. Just thinking them up gets me so excited. They just have a way of penetrating some of the mundane chatter in a way that is the opposite of anti-climactic.
So Cox excites you?
that’s a gnarly one
Good thing the Eagles have all year to get that deal done, although it would be wise to do it sooner rather then later before Cox explodes, no pun intended there, in the new defensive scheme. Worst come to worst the tag is always in the Eagles back pocket for Cox next year.
howdy, pal
How are you doing buddy?
Horrible exchange .you two
That was the whole point of my reply. He knows I don’t like him so he responded to one of my post, so I respond the same way
It was ice cold and ab so lutely brilliant exchange.
A true gem of the comments section.
So very subtle .. i.hope a few got the joke.
Theres a pill for that if you need some help. #clicheCoxjoke
Pfizer should track him down and put him in a tub overlooking a valley.. He shud do the advertisement
Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
11m11 minutes ago
Bradford’s base salary for 2017 is $13M. He also has a $4M March 2017 roster bonus, source said. Escalators/incentives can increase value.
Overall deal was reported as 2 years, $36M. SB is $11M. 2016 sal is $7M. Figures above get you to 2 years, $35M. Guess the other $1M is in incentives that are considered likely to be earned.
Does this mean the dead money is only 5.5M before March? Only thing I am confused about. I had it calculated at 9.5M but don’t know if these numbers make it different.
other reports have $4M of the 2017 salary guaranteed at signing — which gets you back to your original $9.5
Gotcha, thanks.
https://twitter.com/Jason_OTC/status/704829136699838464
That has to be read in context with his previous tweet about Bradford being tradable next year. $4M guarantee would transfer if he was traded. If he is cut, it’s possible/probable deal includes offset language where any amount he makes in salary at least is deducted from that $4M guarantee. The Eagles typically include offset language in their deals, but there hasn’t been any confirmation yet that it was definitively included in Bradford’s deal.
Deal does include offset language that would take that $4mil off the Eagles books if he signs with another team. So any salary he makes from another team after getting cut would be deducted from that guarantee off the Eagles cap. And it’s highly unlikely Bradford wouldn’t be signed period if cut and just as unlikely that he’d make less than $4mil in 2017 regardless of how this year plays out. So for all intents and purposes he can be cut next year for $5.5mil in dead money.
9.5m is correct but that 4m comes off the Eagles cap if Bradford signs with another team (an almost 100% certainty barring horrific injury or early retirement) so regardless if eagles cut him before next season it will be $5.5m in dead money. Not nothing…but pretty damned manageable.
Matthews, Allen, Branch, Whitehead or Bradham very interesting.
Anyone see Patrick Robinson much this year?
NFL Free Agent Bargain Bin
Tuesday, March 01, 2016
Tuesday’s franchise and transition tags removed many of the best players from the Free Agent Pool, leaving behind a thinned-out class for needy teams to sift through. After examining what’s left, I came up with a list of 20-plus players who could become bargains on the open market. The NFL’s widespread and overwhelming amount of salary cap space probably means a handful of these players won’t come at bargain costs. But for now, at least, these players don’t seem to be generating much buzz and a few may prove free agent steals.
1. Rishard Matthews — Matthews held off first-round pick DeVante Parker for a starting job before a late-season rib injury last year, shining as an intermediate complement to Jarvis Landry’s slot-possession game. While inferior talents like Mohamed Sanu have been propped up by the media, Matthews is flying under the radar even in a thin wideout class. Still only 26 years old, Matthews’ average of 10.85 yards per target paced last year’s Dolphins, besting Parker (9.88), Kenny Stills (6.98), Landry (6.97), and Greg Jennings (5.78). In fact, Matthews’ 10.85 yards-per-target average is the highest in this year’s free agent wide receiver crop.
2. Ian Williams — A 26-year-old nose tackle, Williams was quietly the most consistent player on San Francisco’s defense last season, stamping out the run and creating backfield havoc while logging 58% of the 49ers’ defensive snaps. A fire hydrant at 6-foot-1 and 319 pounds, Williams is an overachieving former undrafted free agent out of Notre Dame who’s generated surprisingly little buzz as free agency draws near. He’s a zero-technique nose in 3-4 defenses and would probably also excel as a one-technique tackle in 4-3 fronts.
3. William Hayes — Primarily a rotational defensive end, Hayes has at least four sacks in four straight seasons and broke out last year playing in place of injured LE Chris Long, posting 5.5 sacks and two forced fumbles as an 11-game starter. Hayes excelled as both a run stuffer and pass rusher, earning Pro Football Focus’ No. 6 overall grade among 48 qualifying 4-3 defensive ends. Turning 31 in May, Hayes’ price tag should be lowered by his age. The Rams reportedly want Hayes back to replace Long full time in 2016.
4. Patrick Robinson — Drafted 32nd overall in 2010, Robinson had all the appearances of a first-round bust across five seasons with the Saints, missing time with a high ankle sprain, arthroscopic knee surgery, and a devastating ruptured patellar tendon in 2013. Signed to a one-year, “prove-it” deal with San Diego last offseason, Robinson turned his career around as a quality bookend for Jason Verrett. Down the stretch, Robinson replaced Brandon Flowers in the Chargers’ base defense. Robinson can play slot and outside, and he doesn’t turn 29 until September. He’s seemingly gotten lost in a cornerback market where Josh Norman, Trumaine Johnson, Janoris Jenkins, Prince Amukamara, and Sean Smith are hogging headlines.
5. Tyvon Branch — Branch appeared to be developing into a premier NFL safety when the Raiders franchise tagged him in 2012, before signing Branch to a four-year, $26.6 million deal. Plagued by hard-luck leg and foot injuries, Branch played just five games for Oakland in 2013-2014, getting released two Februaries ago. In 2015 free agency, Branch settled for a one-year, $2 million prove-it deal with Kansas City and reemerged as a playmaking third safety in the second half of the season. Coming out of UConn in 2008, Branch blazed a 4.31 forty time at 5-foot-11, 204. Now 29 years old, Branch should land a starting job on the open market.
6. Derrick Shelby — At 6-foot-3, 266, Shelby spent 2012-2014 giving Cameron Wake breathers at left defensive end in Miami, before replacing Wake (Achilles’) as the Dolphins’ full-time left end last year. 27-year-old Shelby made the most of his opportunity, earning PFF’s No. 8 run-defense grade among 4-3 defensive ends and chipping in 3.5 sacks with two forced fumbles. Shelby isn’t a dominating edge pass rusher, but he’s a very useful part of a rotation. He seems likely to leave Miami after the team transition tagged RE Olivier Vernon.
7. Akiem Hicks — After a promising beginning to his career in New Orleans, Hicks fell out of favor with Saints coaches and was shipped to New England in exchange for blocking tight end Michael Hoomanawanui late last September. Hicks rehabbed his stock almost immediately in Foxboro, earning a critical rotational role as an interior disruptor. A gargantuan presence, Hicks stands 6-foot-5, 318 with 35 1/8-inch arms. He has experience at defensive tackle in 4-3s and five-technique end in 3-4s, and is only 26 years old.
8. Jeremy Lane — Perhaps best known for suffering a fractured arm and torn ACL on the same play in Super Bowl 49, Lane has missed all but 13 games over the last two seasons. Lane has been highly effective when on the field, however, and provided a huge lift to Seattle’s 2015 secondary after Cary Williams proved a free agent disaster. At 6-foot, 190, Lane is a top-notch athlete, running 4.48 with a 42-inch vertical and 10-foot-10 broad jump at his 2012 Pro Day. He’s spent most of his time covering the slot for the Legion of Boom.
9. Jeff Allen — A left tackle at Illinois, Allen has made NFL starts at right tackle (2) and left guard (36), and even one start at left tackle as a 2012 rookie. Although he’s been a quality lineman when healthy, Allen should come at a discount due to bad injury luck. His 2014 season was cut 15 games short by elbow surgery, and Allen didn’t regain his starting job until midway through last year. Allen turned 26 in January.
10. Tahir Whitehead — Overshadowed by bigger names DeAndre Levy and Stephen Tulloch, Whitehead has quietly been the Lions’ most reliable linebacker the past two seasons. Whitehead replaced an injured Tulloch at middle linebacker in 2014, before spending last season shuttling between all three spots in DC Teryl Austin’s 4-3. Whitehead even played special teams while doubling as a defensive starter. Turning 26 in April, 6-foot-1, 233-pound Whitehead should appeal to 4-3 teams willing to sacrifice some size at linebacker in favor of Whitehead’s versatility, plus athleticism, and playmaking ability in pursuit.
11. Cedric Thornton — Run-plugging 5-technique DE in 3-4. Turns 28 in June.
12. Rodney McLeod — Undersized FS has forced 12 turnovers last 3 seasons.
13. Brandon Boykin — Slot corner was difference maker in PIT late last year.
14. Tyrunn Walker — Talented young 3-technique DT coming off broken leg.
15. Bilal Powell — Cheap all-purpose back had best year of his career in 2015.
16. Zach Brown — Injury-plagued 4-3 OLB with sideline-to-sideline speed.
17. Demario Davis — Once-promising ILB flopped in Todd Bowles’ system.
18. Sterling Moore — 26-year-old journeyman was Bucs best CB last season.
19. Craig Robertson — Poor man’s Wesley Woodyard. Nickel/dime ‘backer.
20. Sean Weatherspoon — 4-3 WLB proved a misfit in Arizona’s 3-4 defense.
Other Intriguing Bargain Bin Free Agents: LB Nigel Bradham, RB Bobby Rainey, WR Brian Quick, LT Will Beatty, WR Rod Streater, DE/DT Adrian Clayborn, OG Geoff Schwartz, OT Joe Barksdale, OG Mike Harris, OG Amini Silatolu
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/60751/309/nfl-free-agent-bargain-bin?ls=roto:nfl:gnav
Just got on, saw a new deal was announced with Sam “Bambi” Bradford. What’s the overall sentiment on the deal?
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Is a lot to pay but at 1 years worth of commitment it is not killer. We can go into the draft and free agency with a degree of flexibility
It’s a good bit of money but not outrageous on the cap, which is all that matters. If it doesn’t hit the cap, I could give a rats ass how much of Lurie’s money they spend.
It’s a good deal for us and a good deal for him. Anyone who doesn’t think it’s a good deal for us has a completely unrealistic picture of what a quarterback salary looks like in 2016.
Incubate a baby qb. Gotta tank 2016 so we can get a low draft number.
They could have done that with a cheaper option at QB.
How has tanking worked out for the Colts? Yes they got Andrew Luck but have they won a SB? No they haven’t and although they have one of the better QBs in the league they also have one of the worst rosters in all of football. Anybody who agrees to tanking should just not watch football because of the nature of this sport and the fact that teams rebound quickly is enough to not tank for one player. Absurd logic.
Tanking is theoretically a more sound strategy in the NBA than it is in the NFL. While QB is THE single most important position on an NFL roster, that QB is not on the field all the time. In the NBA, drafting a Lebron or Steph Curry can change the dynamic of your team because they are on the court all the time and can affect both your offensive and defensive possessions.
That said, it has not helped the Timberwolves, Sixers, or Pelicans to date.
Well said and my point exactly that tanking is never the way to go.
Wait, what?!?
https://twitter.com/JimmyKempski/status/704748780696895488
Should have outbid Denver for Brock. Hes shown more than most, think of it as SB rookie deal. Wonder if this time will be looked back on if he ends up being really good and nobody bothered.
Would have had to outbid Denver, Houston, and any other team that is QB hungry. I have never been a Bradford supporter but this is a good deal for the Eagles.
I agree that it was a good deal, given what we thought it was going to be. I just don’t like the player. But, I suppose it’s one of those deals where, as an armchair GM, you overestimate what you’re going to get from another team’s FAs versus your own. I just hope they are able to draft a good QB prospect.
What has he really shown?
Meta thought of the night:
Is the devil we know better than the devil we don’t know?
Here’s a thought to counter that thought: Do we even really know the devil we think we know?
While it is true that missing reads are missing reads and missing throws are missing throws, maybe the Kelly/Day/Bradford tandem just wasn’t the right fit. We have no idea what the Pederson/DeFilippo/Bradford system will bring us.
Then again, for me, Bradford is a lost cause beyond redemption. It’s not like he was running for his life out there the whole time. After his time in St. Louis, I just think he has no trust in his protection and he’s feeling phantom pressure and forcing the issue. I don’t think you can unlearn that. We will see
The devil we don’t know could have been another devil we know, but wish we di-unt. The ‘Chize. Is it possible to die by “BOO!” ?