Draft Craziness Starts Early
Posted: April 14th, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 352 Comments »The draft isn’t for another 2 weeks, but we already have a huge trade. The Rams moved all the way up from pick 15 to the top overall pick.
Titans trade No. 1 pick to Rams for No. 15, two 2nds (including Eagles'), 3rd, '17 1st, and '17 3rd. Rams get a '4th (Eagles' pick) and 6th
— Zach Berman (@ZBerm) April 14, 2016
This affects the Eagles in a big way.
St. Louis didn’t make that jump for the heck of it. That’s a deal you make to go get a QB. Okay, so which one? Initial reports had them going for Carson Wentz. Then Adam Schefter reported the Rams were focused on Jared Goff. So we really don’t know right now.
I look at Jeff Fisher and can see him going for Wentz.
Think about Fisher’s past. He had his most success with a big, strong-armed, athletic QB from a small school. Steve McNair helped Fisher get to the Super Bowl. Wentz isn’t exactly like McNair, but there are more than a few similarities. Wentz also makes sense when you think about the Rams offense being based around RB Todd Gurley. Wentz has the arm strength to throw deep and stretch the field, which makes it tough to load the box. Wentz also runs very well, making him dangerous on bootlegs and plays like that.
There is also a case to be made for Goff. I just happen to think Wentz makes more sense for Fisher and the Rams. I’m not alone.
Although @MikeMayock likes Goff… — "In my mind, it has to be Carson Wentz [to the Rams]. It's not even a question."
— Sam Farmer (@LATimesfarmer) April 15, 2016
With Cleveland and possibly SF looking for QBs, it will be tough for one to slide down to the Eagles at 8. Suddenly trading up to pick 2 makes a lot of sense. The Eagles could also talk to the Ravens about a deal for the number 6 pick. If Cleveland doesn’t go QB, just getting ahead of SF may be enough. It is possible that neither the Browns or Niners will go for a QB. Both organizations have depleted rosters and need more than one guy.
Goff is still my preference for the Eagles. We’ve heard they prefer him. We’ve heard Wentz is their guy. We’ve also heard a lot about them having interest in Kevin Hogan, a mid-round target. The Eagles are doing a great job of keeping everyone confused.
Not sure if out there but source tells me @Eagles were runner-up to @RamsNFL for trade with @Titans for No. 1 pick @NFLonFOX @SiriusXMNFL
— Alex Marvez (@alexmarvez) April 14, 2016
Sources says Rams gave package they did because of belief Titans were ready to pull the trigger on a deal with the Eagles.
— Howard Balzer (@HBalzer721) April 14, 2016
#Titans GM Jon Robinson says he had multiple offers for No. 1 overall pick. #Eagles one of them until withdrew earlier in week, per source
— Ed Werder (@Edwerderespn) April 14, 2016
We don’t know anything for sure, but that’s a group of different reporters all claiming the Eagles were in serious pursuit of the top pick. You would have to think they would keep talking to teams about moving up, especially if the cost is less.
The key will be if there is a player they still covet. Not like, but covet.
Do the Eagles have Wentz and Goff rated similarly? Do they really want both players? If not, they’ll only move up if the guy they like isn’t picked.
You also have to wonder if this means Paxton Lynch becomes a serious target at number 8. I know the Eagles have checked him out thoroughly, but have no clue if they like him. I can’t stress this enough. You don’t take a QB for the heck of it. You have to truly believe in the player.
If the Eagles were truly trying to get to #1, there had to be a player they really wanted. It will be interesting to see if today’s deal takes that player off the board or if it just complicates the pursuit of him.
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I’m not a big schedule guy.
#Eagles 2016 schedule as released by the team: pic.twitter.com/U6bJF44gZZ
— Jeff McLane (@Jeff_McLane) April 15, 2016
Starting with Cleveland. Cool.
Finishing with Dallas. Cool.
SEA-GB-CIN. Not so cool.
BGN did a terrific job of putting together some cool observations on the schedule.
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Wentz is gone, and that’s who Eagles wanted… Don’t think they have enough interest in Goff to trade up to no 2 spot.
As much as I like Wentz, NO WAY is he worth what LA spent to get him. So glad we’re not on the other end of that deal.
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Glad the Rams paid the king’s ransom to get their man. Now it is possible 3 QB’s are taken before the Eagles pick at #8. That means the Eagles will get one of the top 5 positional players ( non QB’s) in this draft. We should be able to get a stud who can help us from day one. I am hoping drafting Myles Jack is now a real possibility. If not then Bosa, Buckner, or even a trade up to #6 to get FSU DB Ramsey ( trade #8 and a 3rd round pick w/ Baltimore at #6) is a real possibility now. Sam Bradford is our QB now. Let’s support him fully and build the team around him. Go Eagles!
Week 4 Bye? #shitdamn
Horrible, unless the team stinks in the first four weeks and needs to regroup.
Dallas@Philly week 17
The Cowboys are gonna freeze their asses off.
Traffic is probably going to be a complete mess with the mummers.
Happy New Year.
I liked Wentz the most but I think Lynch has the highest upside. I wouldn’t rule him out at 8. Of course, if the Browns go with Goff at 2, then SF could easily go Lynch too.
For the record, I’d hope that we get a non-QB in round one: one of six- Tunsil, Ramsey, Elliott, Treadwell, Jack, Hargreaves. Haven’t decided the order. I’d take Vernon Adams in round 3.
I think it was a couple days ago, I asked if Lynch @8 was on the table if Wentz/Goff were gone. It was before the trade, but I have a feeling with all the hype that both would be gone by 3 or 4.
Don’t really get the upside argument when applied to QBs. Basketball players, sure; DEs, sure; WRs, sure. But how physically gifted does a QB need to be?
Don’t think there’s one answer. But seems like qbs that come out in this day in age are pretty athletic.
The good side of the Rams and Browns possibly taking QBs this year? We’ll have less competition next year for QBs.
I hope HR reads your comment. A QB at 8 this year is an investment that, IF it pays off, it won’t be for two years at least. In two years we could be a much better team in need of a QB, if we don’t squander resources in the meantime.
You’ve got the Jets, Broncos, and 49ers who will be looking to adding a QB. You’ve also got teams like Arizona, Chicago, Kansas City, New Orleans, Houston, and Dallas that might draft someone if the right prospect is available.
Rams saved the iggles from themselves. Hope the 49ers do us a solid and trade up to 2. Howie has been a magician this offseason but it appears success has gone to his head. Just sit at 8 and let a blue chipper fall to you. Would love Jack buthe that’s not likely. I can see Baltimore taking us to the cleaners if Cleveland passes on qb at 2 so we jump ahead of the 49ers. Someone lock Howie up until the 8th pick draft night. Boy wonder is over thinking things at this point and eagles fans should be very nervous. 2 weeks is a lifetime away and Howie has the itch.
Part of me wonders if the Eagles are letting their name be dropped in order to raise the price for the Rams. The rumors aren’t completely consistent — not sure we could be the “runner up” if we “withdrew”. That would go along with the conspiracy theories of the Eagles trying to get folks to trade up for QBs in order to push other prospects down. But, maybe they do love one of the QBs that much.
Howie didn’t make the crazy deal. The Rams did. Howie apparently explored his options which is his job.
Well it didn’t go to his head, because apparently he didn’t offer up the big deal. For all we know, this might be Howie playing it cool.
Say what you will about his talent evaluation, Howie does not have a habit of overpaying in trades. In fact it’s usually the other team that’s overpaying him. I wouldn’t worry.
Reposting this here:
Some schedule thoughts. For me, the release of the schedule has
little to do with the teams we play (since we have known that since the
end of the season) and much more to do with the challenges and
advantages the team gains from the schedule itself. So with that in
mind:
Week 1 (Sunday @1 PM vs. Browns) – If I remember correctly,
the last couple years we had a primetime games week 1, so it’s nice to
start the season with most of the rest of the league and not have to
wait the extra
time to watch the Eagles.
Week 2 (Monday @8:30 @ Bears) – Both teams get the extra day, so no significant advantage/disadvantage.
Week
3 (Sunday @4:25 vs Steelers) – We will have a day less of rest coming
of the Monday night game, giving the Steelers an advantage.
Week 4 (Bye week) – This sucks. Having a bye week so early in the season
(earliest
it can be) may make things more challenging later in the season. The
bye week doesn’t just allow for rest, but allows teams to recover from
injuries.
That early in the season, we are unlikely to accrue as
many injuries and then won’t have the bye week later in the season to
use.
Week 5 (Sunday @1 @ Lions) – We have the extra week off so
clear scheduling advantage for us. Hopefully Andy Reid taught DP
something about how to prepare during the bye week.
Week 6 (Sunday
@1 @ Redskins) – Both teams are coming of 1PM games the previous week.
Redskins are also playing an away game the week before while this would
be the second away game in a row, although DC is an easy away game to
travel to, so hopefully that doesn’t cause a noticeable disadvantage.
Week
7 (Sunday @1 vs Vikings) – Vikings are coming off a bye week, so they
have the clear scheduling advantage. At least it’s a home game.
Week
8 (Sunday @8:30 @ Cowboys) – I’m not a fan of this at all. Cowboys are
coming off a bye week, so two games in a row we play teams coming off a
bye week. Plus, we have to travel to them. From the scheduling
standpoint, we are definitely at a disadvantage in this game, a division
rival.
Week 9 (Sunday @1 @ Giants) – And it only gets worse…
Giants ALSO are coming off a bye week. Again a division rival off a bye
week. And while it is a nearby game, we are still the away team.
Three weeks in a row playing against teams coming off byes, two of them
division rivals. Schedulers did a bad job here.
Week 10 (Sunday
@1 vs. Falcons) – Falcons played the week before. Unfortunately,
Falcons are coming off a Thursday night game, so they have three days
extra rest. It’s not another team coming off a bye, but it may as well
be.
Week 11 (Sunday @4:25 @ Seahawks) – Going east coast to west
coast. Seahawks are coming off a Sunday night game @ NE but clearly
have the advantage being the home team.
Week 12 (Monday @8:30 vs.
Packers) – Packers are coming off a Sunday night away game while we are
coming off a West coast trip. As the home team, we have a slight
advantage.
Week 13 (Sunday @1 @ Bengals) – Bengals have the extra day of rest and are the home team, giving them the advantage.
Week
14 (Sunday @1 vs Redskins) – Both teams coming off away games. Not a
long drive for the Redskins so not a major scheduling advantage one way
or the other.
Week 15 (Sunday @1 @ Ravens) – Ravens are coming off an away game against NE on Monday night, so we have an extra day rest.
Week
16 (Thursday @8:25 vs. Giants) – Both teams are coming off 1PM games
the week before, so no significant advantage one way or the other
in a Thursday night game.
Week
17 (Sunday @1 vs Cowboys) – It’s nice to have the extra rest going into
the final game of the season, particularly against the Cowboys. We are
also the home team, so the scheduling advantage is ours.
Overall,
last season’s schedule was a whole lot better to the Eagles from a
scheduling standpoint. Week 7 through Week 11 is going to be a rough
stretch of games playing a bunch of teams coming off extra rest. On top
of that we have a bye very early in the season. Can’t say I am a fan
of the schedulers for the Eagles this season.
Just curious, have you seen any statistical evidence that teams playing on Monday night are at a disadvantage the following week?
I see it thrown around as a given, but my guess is that it probably aligns closely to how well the team normally performs (i.e., they beat the bad teams and lose to the good ones).
[Not that I’m targeting you specifically on this, Iskar, I’ve just seen it mentioned a lot since the schedule came out and it got me thinking…]
There was that lovely 2012 season where our losing streak coincided with a long run of games played against teams with more rest than us. Of course we were a truly awful team so hopefully it was more due to that.
Yeah, but that’s anecdotal. I was thinking from a more historical perspective…
http://www.footballnation.com/content/2012-nfl-schedule-cure-for-primetime-itis/14387/
Oddly, this says the split is positive…
Great find! Thanks!
I’m going to be citing this article now every time someone claims having a short week after MNF gives a team a disadvantage…
Just remember correlation does not equal causation 🙂
selection bias, how many crappy teams have monday night games.
The study doesnt control for the quality of teams. Teams that play on MNF tend to be the better/best teams in the league. Therefore they would be expected to have above .500 records in all games regardless of when or how they’re played. Playing on MNF, getting less rest or time to prepare than your opponent, can still be a disadvantage even if you end up winning. The real study you want to see would be something that took into account expected outcome of the game relative to the strength of the opponent versus actual outcome. I’d be willing to bet that something that is obviously a disadvantage would in fact be a disadvantage and that would show up in the stats somehwere.
weather likely* won’t be an issue this year; we’re not going to soldier field or lambeau in december.
in fact, after thanksgiving, the only away game w/ potential is cincy. the rest are all in philly (save for the 1 other away game down the road in baltimore).
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1st qtr of season: CLE (rgknee?+no weapons), CHI (cutler, alshon, kevin white), PIT (ben+weapons), bye, DET (stafford, tate, m. jones)
2nd qtr of season: WAS (cousins), MIN (off their bye; teddy, AD, diggs), DAL (whoever their backup is, Romo will be IR), NYG (eli, odb)
best opposing QBs 1st half: Ben, Cutler?/Stafford?, Eli?, Teddy?
best opposing WRs 1st half: Antonio, ODB, Dez, Alshon, Tate, Djax
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3rd qtr of season: ATL (ryan, julio, sanu), SEA (wilson, baldwin, j. graham), GB (rodgers, nelson, cobb), CIN (dalton, green, eifert)
4th qtr of season: WAS (cousins), BAL (flacco, s.smith.sr.), NYG (eli, odb), DAL (?)
best opposing QBs 2nd half: rodgers, wilson, flacco, ryan, dalton
best opposing WRs 2nd half: julio, odb, dez, green, nelson
I gather your prediction for Romo week 8 is with fingers crossed. If Romo is playing week 8, he and Ben will be the best QB’s in our first half, IMO.
concur, IHSH
The New York Post reports free agent Johnny Manziel recently threw a party that caused $32,000 worth of damage at his rented Los Angeles area home.
Manziel apparently rented the house for only two days for the express purpose of partying. The renter is alleging the house was “strewn with booze and drugs” in addition to the damage. Manziel is hurtling toward rock bottom at alarming speed.
At least he’s enjoying the ride.
Got the reference. Well played.
When even Drew Rosenhause won’t touch you, that’s when you know you are fucked up and your life is spiraling out of control reaching a dangerous level.
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Rosenhause would represent a cockroach if it could make him 10$
I’m increasingly convinced that Manziel is going to end up not just out of the league, but in prison or dead. It’s a very sad story.
I was on FirstPick and I drafted Jack at 8 then turned around and traded a 3rd third this year and 2017&18s firsts with Oakland at 14. Im jusy wondering if this is at all feasible/has anyone ever done something like this?
I’m not getting what your getting. Call me thick, but what is the prize for either party for all of the trading?
He wants Lynch and Jack.
Thank you. Sometimes my cluelessness is a symptom of my sporadic reading…and sometimes I blame my parents.
2 first round picks this year for this years 3rd and two 1st in the upcomong years
Thanks for the response. It made sense when Mac told me that you were trying to land Lynch. You must love the guy.
I was just seeing what I could get.
I was warming to the idea of drafting a QB, but I’m delighted that it wasn’t the Eagles that made this trade (although I may eat my words if Wentz becomes a HoF type player).
One reason being, I love the draft. It is one of my favourite events of the year. I’m already irked by the fact we don’t have a 2nd round pick this year. I would hate a year where we don’t have a 1st (and maybe a 2nd too). Can you imagine the tediously long off-season. I do hope the Eagles stay at 8.
Yeah but they have the 8th pick, 4 top 102 picks and 9 overall picks. So there’s plenty to be interested in.
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The Eagles and the Seahawks are the two biggest week 1 favorites: http://espn.go.com/chalk/story/_/id/15206901/nfl-complete-list-2016-week-1-lines-westgate-las-vegas-superbook
Week 4 byes shouldn’t be a thing.
Unless its the cowboys who have it.
Always a few desperate GMs. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Cleveland trade out of #2 as well – but that might not come until draft day. Once the Rams make their pick official, if a team was interested in the other QB they might trade a bit more to get him.
This also helps the Eagles too. If and most likely when QBs go #1 and #2, that leaves some really good players to drop to #8. Another desperate team may give up a few picks to get in the top 10.
Else, if it’s a player the Eagles love (and there should be a couple), they could get a stud player. I’d prefer this option (instead of moving either way) because this hopefully is the last time we sniff the top 10 in the draft.
I think the Eagles have now a genuine trade down opportunity with Titans. no.8 is a perfect spot to take Stanley since the ‘top’ tier talent is running out, and the Titans have a huge number of resources so sacrificing some at this point is much more doable.
I am very ‘Lynch curious’, if that is no.8 or a little later via trade down (although if you rate him why take that risk… eagles would need to be ‘sure’ they can get him later). If a Ramsey/Bosa/Tunsil/Jack are there i would not pass over that talent – if they are not i go in another direction.
before the trade I didn’t see any value in the Eagles dropping back. Now that the Titans are armed with picks…seems more feasible…
Moved this from old thread. Waiting for pick 14.
Greg Richards
2 hours ago
With Rams move to top, figured it was time again for a forum mock
draft. I’ll make the 1st pick and then the first person to respond makes
the next pick. Please list your reasoning for the selection. If a
poster makes a pick, he has to wait at least 5 picks before making
another selection.
#1 is obviously between Goff and Wentz. I pick
Goff for 2 reasons. One, Fisher’s job security is tenuous and he likely
needs a QB that is more ready to step in immediately. IMO, that’s Goff.
Second, the Rams are trying to build excitement for their return and
sell tickets and the local guy Goff is a selling point.
With the #1 overall pick in the 2016 NFL Draft, the Los Angeles Rams select Jared Goff, QB, California.
*NEW* I’ve bumped this up. We’re waiting for the #7 overall pick. And no being funny and giving Chip Christian Hackenberg at #7!
I’ll keep this up-to-date with the selections
1. Jared Goff QB California L.A. Rams
2. Jalen Ramsey CB/S Florida State Cleveland
3. Laremy Tunsil OT Mississippi San Diego
4. Carson Wentz QB North Dakota State Dallas
5. Myles Jack LB UCLA Jacksonville
6. Ezekiel Elliott RB Ohio State Baltimore
7. DeForest Buckner DE/DT Oregon SF 49ers
8. Ronnie Stanley OT Notre Dame Philadelphia
9. Vernon Hargreaves CB Florida Tampa Bay
10. Joey Bosa DE Ohio State NY Giants
11. Leonard Floyd OLB/DE Georgia Chicago
12. Sheldon Rankins DT Louisville New Orleans
13. Darron Lee LB Ohio State Miami
14. Raiders- Eli Apple CB Ohio State
McKenzie has similar HWS requirements as Chip, so while I hold Alexander in higher regard Reggie takes the Buckeye.
Made my own mock out of boredom
Rams – Carson Wentz
Browns – Jared Goff
Chargers – Jalen Ramsey
Cowgirls – Laremy Tunsil
Jaguars – Myles Jack
Ravens – Joey Bosa
Niners – Deforest Buckner
Eagles- Ronnie Stanley
Bucs – Shaw Lawson
Giants – Ezekiel Elliot
Bears- Vernon Hargreaves
Saints – Sheldon Rankins
Dolphins – Eli Apple
Raiders – Kevin Dodd
Rams – Paxton Lynch
Lions – Mackensie Alexander
Falcons – Darron Lee
Colts – Leonard Floyd
Bills – Vernon Butler
Jets – Taylor Decker
Redskins – Andrew Billings
Texans – Robert Nkemdiche
Vikings – Laquon Treadwell
Bengals – Noah Spence
Steelers – A’shawn Robinson
Seahawks – Jack Conklin
Packers – Jaylon Smith
Chiefs – Josh Doctson
Cardinals – William Jackson
Panthers – Will Fuller
Broncos – Jason Spriggs
why would the cowboys need an OL? They have the greatest OL every created in any time period in any universe.
Seriously, I highly highly doubt that one….
BPA and everyone except for you knows that keeping Romo healthy for a season is do or die for them?
The Rams taking wentz #1 and then also taking Lynch 15??
ah shit I screwed up
Who takes an lt when they have an lt and an lt in waiting with Collins?
who’s saying that Collins is going to stay with them and not bounce because the Cowgirls has barely any salary cap?
He’s under contract for 3 more years.
Tyron Smith is 25 and a top 5 LT in the game.
Collins probably continues to play LG and may kick out to RT when they look to replace Free.
They drafted a swing T comically high last year.
Cowboys wont go OL in the top 100. All they really could use is a backup G/C.
It’s 2 more years if I remember right. Collins is going to get the most money he can get in FA and that was pretty clear when he signed with Dallas for the most money. Draft Tunsil and slide Free to RG, Now you only have to draft guards whenever Collins leaves.
Zak Martin?
Cut Free and have the most ridiculously stacked OL of all time.
UDFAs are three year contracts, so two years left for Collins, and more to the point can renegotiate after two years — so he may be looking for much bigger money after this season (though can’t leave except by trade).
I tend to agree though that the Cowboys would not go OL at the top of the draft. Could see them going Jack, Bosa, Elliott, etc. in that spot.
3 years, but they are still RFAs after the 3 years. So he can be tagged for peanuts. Even if he does demand a new deal after this season, Dallas has way too much leverage for it to be anywhere near top dollar. Something like 5 years 30 million. That’s a drop in the bucket with the rising cap.
Whoa saying Dallas ever drafts for the future?
They have been since Jerry let his son do the drafting..
Yeah but what team at 4 with tons of needs drafts at the one spot of depth on the team?
Would I take a LB that might have a bum knee or one of the best OTs to come out recently? Bosa isn’t on the same level as Tunsil and like I said before Tunsil is BPA.
Im hoping for:
Rams – Wentz
Niners -Goff
chargers- Ramsey
cowboys – Bosa
jags- Tunsil
Ravens – Stanley
Cleveland – Buckner
Eagles – Myles Jack
If Tunsil is there at 5 you have to go get him.
Not if im GUARENTEED to get Jack (assuming we are comfortabke with his medical of course…
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Rather take Jack with #8, instead of packaging #8 and a 3rd to go get Tunsil…
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I would only want to trade up to #5, if there is only 1 player left between Tunsil, Ramsey and Jack… If two are still available at #5, I wouldn’t want to trade up, take our chances one gets to #8
With Tunsil and Johnson you have your offensive tackles set for the next decade. That’s a nice spot to be in, and I’d give up a third rounder for it.
I don’t like the idea of trading up for a defensive back, it just doesn’t make sense to em.
You still have the Rams at 15, sh/be the Titans. If the Titans want to jump back up to 8 to get Stanley, would folks here do that and get 15 and our #2 back? Possible Lynch is there, if they like him, or could go CB like Alexander or Jackson, then O-line in round 2.
I doubt the jump from 15 to 8 wouldn’t even net us the Titans second round pick and yea someone pointed that out earlier. Going to revise this later.
If we are trading back to 15, I would want a second rounder, and I would want the Titans To give us a second round pick next year for our 3rd (ideally 4th this year)… If we aren’t drafting Goff/Wentz. Think it’s important that we Sacrafice picks now for extra picks next year in case bradford DOESNT earn an extension, we will need extra picks to trade up for a QB next year. Can’t rule out SAM yet, but it would be wise to put a contingency plan in place like loading up on extra picks inNext years draft to stockpile trade up ammunition for next year
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We should charge the Titans a little extra than just a second round, make them pay for the fact that we will be trading down into a lower tier of prospects while allowing the Titans to get one of the top tier guys.. After all the extra picks they got, Id hope that we play hardball for a little more than a second round pick
Titans have too many holes to fill to throw around more draft picks. Unless they really love someone there then by all means squeeze everything you can get out of them. It’s just that pick 15 doesn’t have really have anyone that would make me think that they were better than whoever the Titans would take with pick 8. The first pick in the second round might get us a potential guy or luxury pick.
I wouldn’t think of them as fools if they trade for the right to draft Stanley. They need to protect Mariota who got banged up all last season
But you think 15 is too low to get a guy? I guess they can always move back up.
Rams trade to no.15 with no picks and draft another QB? Think you need to revisit the 2nd half of the mock draft.
(although i could project a trade where titans go to no.8 for Stanley and we get our pick back and we draft Lynch at 15)
That was updated.
Judging from what I have read here Stanley would be only a slightly worse pick than Paxton Lynch at 8?
People don’t like boring. Taking Stanley would be boring. Maybe the right pick, though. It can’t be overstated that we have a 34 year old LT.
I thought he had really short arms and is far from a lock to be an NFL starter?
You have to be thinking of someone else. He has 35 5/8″ arms.
Some like him as much as Tunsil.
Projects as a prototypical OT.
Could easily be the case. I’m ignorant enough that the listed arm length doesn’t mean anything to me. I just know that if your arms are short you should go to the glue factory and if they are long you should go to Canton.
almost 36″ arms is pretty damn big. That’s a wing span of like 8 feet.
I would be ecstatic if we took Stanley at 8
Our Bye week is 5 or 6 weeks too early .. that ducks
Think the key to having any chance of Jack falling to us is:
1) need San Fran or the Browns to take the second QB with the #2 pick
2) Wee need the Chargers to go Ramsey so that Tunsil falls to the Jags
3) need jags to take Tunsil over Jack
4) Ravens take Stanley over Jack..
5) then we need the #7 team to take Buckner or Zeke
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Not totally impossible, but a lot has to fall just right for the Jack attack to fall to us
I don’t think there’s any chance that neither SF/Browns pass on a QB.
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Eagles will need to move up. IF the rumors are true about them trying to get to 1, I wonder if they stop trying now and that opens up discussing to 1 – move up or 2 – move back. I guess now it’s obvious(if rumors are true) that HR was targeting a QB with the move to 8. If one’s not there, maybe they do trade back…
rumor is they pulled the offer early in the week.. before 2 qbs came in.. lynch with a trade down would be nice..
It’s interesting I think there’s a good chance all 3 qbs could be gone. I don’t like picking DBs super early in the draft, though i’d love patrick peterson on this team.
I think once you get over the “don’t take a running back at in the top 10” I think people will love having zeke on this team during the regular season.
Huh? I don’t want the eagles to trade for either of these QBs
“It is possible that neither the Browns or Niners will go for a QB.” — I would imagine — since the Titans were not going QB — calling them first didn’t happen. Teams called Cleveland first(moving to 2nd would be less costly). Cleveland wants a QB. It’s going to be hard to move Cleveland out of position for a QB. (I know, never say never). Teams called Cleveland and they had to be asking way too much. Now, after this trade, IF Cleveland had an price, it just went higher…
Problem is if the Rams traded with Cleveland, some other team, lets say the Eagles, could still jump em for the QB they might want
true — but you’re still getting 1 of 2. Unless there’s huge difference between the 2 of them. The speculation going back and forth about who the Rams will take kind of says — either QB has the upside/risk.
Steve McNair helped Fisher get to the Super Bowl. — Just letting that sink in a bit more. Super Elite level QB is not always needed….
McNair was among the best QBs at the time.
And no you do not need Rodgers level QB play every year, but you need above average unless you have a great defense, but if great defense was all that was needed, why didnt the 91 Eagles win? Thats right because the got terrible QB play
And OL and RB.
People tend to forget just how much offensive crappiness Randall’s athleticism was able to hide during Buddy’s era. From scheme, to trenches, to RBs, those were some of the worst offenses of their time, if not for Cunningham’s ability to improvise. And improvisation tended to lose to execution when calendar turned to November and December.
Not me, I became an Eagles fan at this time, despite living in Hawaii, because of that astounding athleticism. I remember that the “running game” consisted of short throws to WRs. It didn’t help that the NFC East was murderer’s row back then.
If they had Randle, they would have made the SB most likely.
But you can win without OL or RB (see Pats, Giants, Ravens, GB)
We were talking about 1991, weren’t we?
What is this blasphemy, saying the ’91 Eagles didn’t win the Superbowl?
that’s the never ending debate. Did the Bears with a great defense and an ‘ok’ QB? or Ravens … etc…
The Bears had a great defense and Hester as a PR/KR.
The Ravens in 2011 got one the greatest post season in history out of Flacco.
Its a sliding scale with millions of variables. The Broncos won this year with the worst QB play I can remember in my life time.
They also had one of the greatest defenses of all time.
Its easier to find a franchise QB than build that type of defense
Exactly. Just using it as a point for the sliding scale. Sammy B was better than Peyt this year.
Wish I could up vote more. Just because he wasn’t Peyton Manning he wasn’t elite? Lol. I would gladly lop off a digit for the next McNair. Hell… I would take one off at the first knuckle for the next McNabb.
McNair was no where near elite. If he’s Elite than McNabb was elite. I refuse to call 5 elite.
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Just a matter of opinion. People throw around ‘elite’ and ‘great’ a lot easier than I do. McNair was effective and fun to watch — but his numbers are far from what I’d call elite.
Yeah I dunno I just go by what I interpret to be the actual definitions of the words. So I take Elite as a comparison to the rest of the QBs in the league at the time. I take great as a comparison to the rest of the QBs ever.
Not sure how a guy shares the MVP with Peyton freaking Manning in his prime and isn’t considered elite.
I never used the word great. Two words, with two meanings.
If you define “elite” as “all-time great”, then neither McNabb or McNair was elite. But the only QBs of the past 20 years who would meet that bar were Favre, Manning, and Brady. If you define “elite” as “top 5 or close to it at the position in the prime of their careers” (which I think is really the standard you need to shoot for to reach a Super Bowl), both McN’s qualify.
I dunno… I’m a weirdo. I like to use the dictionary as my guide for definition.
Sure, but any subjective descriptor like “elite” is going to (1) involve an arbitrary cutoff point and (2) be relative rather than absolute. No dictionary is going to use Steve McNair’s level of QB play as example to define the word.
You just have to compare his level of play and results to the other QBs at any given point in his career to determine if/when he was elite at any given moment. MVP of the league pretty much settles the argument. He was elite for at least that season.
Yeah, I agree with you. I don’t think either McNair or McNabb is a top-tier all-time QB the way Manning and Brady are, but they were both perennial Pro Bowlers who played at or near a top 5 level for the better part of a decade. That to me is elite.
Sure as hell was elite when he took them to the Superbowl. If “elite” means HOF performance over 10-15 years, then that word has ceased to become useful.
McNair could have won..if he didn’t also meet one of the best playoff QBs and one of the most prolific offenses of all time.
Peyton wasn’t so hot last season, either.
Fisher also has face planted ever since McNair was no longer his QB… McNair is the only Guy Fisher had success with really
How many Super Bowl winners in the past that had their bye week in week 4?!
Did you honestly expect to challenge for the SB this year? You’ve been smoking too much weed.
all we need is a rb
But, but Bradford….
The defense.
Howie extends a giant middle finger in the direction of the LA Rams.
I hope the Rams and Browns are set at taking Wentz and Goff first and second. That would push elite prospects like Ramsey, Bosa, and Tunsil down the board into the range where we could trade up for one of them without it being cost prohibitive, and also ensure that one of Hargreaves, Stanley, and Elliott will be there at 8. Please God don’t draft Paxton Lynch at #8 overall. If he is the pick I will be steamed.
I’m not sure much changed. Just the teams. Cleveland/SF were expected to take QB – now Rams join that list and Cleveland or SF move to non-QB. The only question I guess is how far Tunsil now falls…
Dallas already has a 22 y/o All-Pro left tackle. They’re not going to take Tunsil. I think Bosa or Ramsey is a far likelier pick for them. The Jags or Ravens are likelier landing spots for Tunsil.
Cowboys would take a QB, RB, DE, Safety, even possibly a LB before they take a Tackle.
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Dallas could use a guard for once Collins replaces Doug Free at RT, opening a hole at Guard… Do the Cowboys still have Ronald Leary?
Hue LOVES RGme. Interesting to see if CLE actually goes QB. Forget getting anything from RGme if they do. Man has a ego that needs constant stroking.
Getting to Open the season against RGknee is GLORIOUS!
We paid 2 qbs like $30m and we’re still looking for a QB, RG has like $600k guaranteed.
So what? All I’m saying is Hue loves RG3. They could very well draft a QB, but t wouldn’t shock me if they didn’t.
Drop drop drop.
Pick pick pick!
Jack, Goff. Jack, Goff. Jack Goff. Man, I can’t decide. But either way it makes me excited!
well played, sir.
And Cox gets extended when the pick is put in…
If this were Chip I would trust that he very much wanted to move up to number 1. He just isn’t complicated. We thought he was, but he was so simple it stumped us. With Howie on the other hand I know that I shouldn’t make assumptions. No matter what the outcome is, we will all believe that we got our guy. This isn’t like when Chip was forced to take Lane but made no bones that he really wanted Dion Jordan. It won’t come out that Doug wanted player X in round 2 but Howie knew he would fall to round 4.
Whatever happens will at least reasonably seem that it was always the plan from the start. Some people don’t like that. I love it.
Re: Chip’s man crush on Dion Jordan – underrated “what if”. We should be very grateful Miami was dumb enough to take him at #3 and let Johnson fall to us. The Kelly regime would’ve fallen apart even faster if we’d blown that pick and we’d be looking at a fading Jason Peters with nobody on the roster behind him.
Hate to be a Monday QB hero, but I always hated the idea of drafting that kid “Plaxico Jr.” as I called him. Dude looked like Plaxico…taking tackles.
Johnson was my #1 target in that draft class. When you’re right you’re right…
But, I also thought a converted fireman could play OG. When you’re wrong you’re wrong.
As a fan, evaluating a player’s character (which is a huge factor in my opinion) can be pretty hard.
I remember one expert saying post draft that Watkins was the safest first round pick and a starter from day one.
Yea, Jordan concerned me in that draft as well. I never thought he was worth that high of a pick. Of course, I felt the same way about Lane Johnson, but at least LJ has been a solid to very good tackle. If I recall correctly, Star Lotoullelei (sp?) was the guy I was interested in. I don’t remember though if I wanted him at 4 or if I thought before hand you could trade back and still get him (he went 14).
I thought everyone LOVED Dion Jordan before the draft. Unclear to me whether chip could have kept him on the straight and narrow but think T was a bigger need.
I can admit being drunk off the Dion Kool aid… But I also happened to strongly feel that Lane was going to be better than both Fisher and Joekel, and I thought Fisher was a straight up Fraud…
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> … but he was so simple it stumped us.
Occam’s Razor. We made it more difficult than it needed to be.
I cannot remember a gonzo draft trade that seemed so appropriate for both parties. Tennessee got the “king’s ransom” it was holding out for, and the Rams, in a downward spiral since an unknown Tom Brady snuffed their candle in the 2001 SB, after fleecing Dan Snyder, after acquiring a boatload of high picks as compensation both for the trade and for their consistent under-achievement have completely exhausted the “we don’t have a quarterback” excuse. (Or have they?) Jeff Fisher, who has not been held accountable for what seems like his whole time in St.Louis, has assembled a defense that should be able to make that team a contender, and every season they win some division face-offs in a tough division. But they have not been a playoff team in a long time. Now they’ve got their franchise QB, or so they hope. However it shakes out, the old regime gets a mulligan, the greedy owner gets a reprieve, the new fan base gets a reason to tune in, and the old fan base gets to move onto more substantive concerns.
I don’t think either Wentz or Goff is a prospect worthy of the ransome the Rams paid for that pick. After years of fleecing other teams in QB-centric deals (RG Knee, Bradford) it appears the worm has turned for them.
I think you may be correct about the QB’s, but the Rams are a bad team (organization really) and they have a young, talented roster with the exception of QB. They would’ve been criticized more for sitting still, I think.
Yeah. Also can’t underestimate the impact of them needing to “make a splash” with the move to LA. The sports scene there is all about glitz and the fanbase has the attention span of a goldfish so they’d likely be forgotten about by week 4 if they trotted out Case Keenum and Nick Foles again.
RE your low opinion of the two QB’s: I actually like Goff, but when you consider that the best QB in the league was taken 26, Brady was taken in the 6th round, the Colts built a franchise around their golden boy and got 1 stinkin’ SB for their troubles, THEN a consensus #1 drops in their laps, and they regress as a team. Whoever said draft a QB every year sounds like a genius.
I actually don’t think that badly of Goff, I just don’t see him as a guy that’s worthy of selling the farm to get a la RG3. Nobody was talking about him as a #1 overall type prospect at any point during his college career, nor earlier in the offseason, but now that the draft is approaching all of a sudden he is? That makes me suspicious.
I do think the Eagles absolutely, positively have to come away with a guy who could develop into a long-term starter at QB in this draft. The thing is, I think this is a draft that lacks truly elite prospects at the position but does have plenty of guys who have the raw tools and could be developed. I’d be very happy to pick someone like Cardale Jones, Connor Cook, or Dak Prescott with one of our 3rd rounders. I just don’t want to sell out for a guy who’s arguably not all that much better than those guys as a prospect.
You mean, it’s a trade that lets both teams reset the “off with their heads” clock? Good point. Win-win, in that case. Not a fan of giving up that many assets to pick a marginal prospect at QB, though.
i honestly doubt howie had any intention of trading up to number 1. it would not surprise me if this was basically a 3 team trade without the rams realizing it. with howie helping ten get a kings ransom by upping the trading price and ten will repay the favor by giving us slightly above average compensation to move back up to 8. Hopefully pick 15 and pick 33 (or atleast a 2nd). Makes more sense than howie actually offering some crazy package to move up for 2 decent qb prospects.
I hope for the meanest, nastiest, least-fair schedule possible (hard to tell what the strength of schedule actually will be at this point).
Get the lowest possible record without tanking and showing the team top to bottom where the bar is set to be a great team.
Sounds pretty straight-forward, but the cauldron that is the NFL has this pressure to show results that complicates the matter. Doug has to believe that Sam can perform, and, if he (Sam) does not, and the Eagles draft high next season, there is no guarantee that a franchise QB will be out there.
The part that annoys me is week 8 we play the Cowboys coming off a bye, and the next week we play The Giants coming off their bye…
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Let the Giants have a month to prepare for us and we will still slap those clowns around
Bumped this up. Looking for someone to make pick 15
Greg Richards
2 hours ago
With Rams move to top, figured it was time again for a forum mock
draft. I’ll make the 1st pick and then the first person to respond makes
the next pick. Please list your reasoning for the selection. If a
poster makes a pick, he has to wait at least 5 picks before making
another selection.
#1 is obviously between Goff and Wentz. I pick
Goff for 2 reasons. One, Fisher’s job security is tenuous and he likely
needs a QB that is more ready to step in immediately. IMO, that’s Goff.
Second, the Rams are trying to build excitement for their return and
sell tickets and the local guy Goff is a selling point.
With the #1 overall pick in the 2016 NFL Draft, the Los Angeles Rams select Jared Goff, QB, California.
I’ll keep this up-to-date with the selections
1. Jared Goff QB California L.A. Rams
2. Jalen Ramsey CB/S Florida State Cleveland
3. Laremy Tunsil OT Mississippi San Diego
4. Carson Wentz QB North Dakota State Dallas
5. Myles Jack LB UCLA Jacksonville
6. Ezekiel Elliott RB Ohio State Baltimore
7. DeForest Buckner DE/DT Oregon SF 49ers
8. Ronnie Stanley OT Notre Dame Philadelphia
9. Vernon Hargreaves CB Florida Tampa Bay
10. Joey Bosa DE Ohio State NY Giants
11. Leonard Floyd OLB/DE Georgia Chicago
12. Sheldon Rankins DT Louisville New Orleans
13. Darron Lee LB Ohio State Miami
14. Eli Apple CB Ohio State Oakland
Tennessee trades picks 15 & 43 to Eagles for Ronnie Stanley. Eagles select Paxton Lynch. J/K sort of.
Yeah, I considered an option of at each pick proposing a trade down and if 3 people agreed then it was done but figured that would be too complicated.
Right it would be. I’m just messing. I made 12th pick so I can’t make this pick.
I’m going to call this thing dead. There was a lot of interest the first time I did this.
this looks like an easy 9-0 start then we hit some tough games.
so we are looking at a 10-6 to 11-5 record, nodoubt.
nice season Bradford, you too Jmatt.
sproles you never get old, and Nelson we knew you had it in you.
Way to go Schwartzy!
Pass the dookie.
the dookie? had to look that up never heard it before.
My apologies. I endeavor to never be vulgar, but I confused the spelling (and pronunciation) of a colloquial term for excrement with the colloquial term for a rasta pipe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7uQGBSzsSo
Yeah I was gonna say.. usually the expression is “I want to have some of what you’re smoking” but in this case I’d have to pass.
James Walker
@JamesWalkerNFL
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Ohio State RB Ezekiel Elliott said he feels the #Eagles are showing the most interest. Philly swapped first rounders w/#Dolphins last month.
Meh, that means Mathews and Sproles would be getting $8 M to ride the bench. Mathews has 2 years and 9 million left on his contract, unless he is traded, this seems like a waste of a high draft pick.
$6.5M, not $8.
Apologies, I’m was mixing up contract years. They do have a $8.5M combined cap hit in 2016 though, which is still significant.
Report that the Cowboys and Niners want Ryan Mathews if we make him available for Trade
If SF/Chip trade for Mathews, we will get excellent value.
Right!… A slimmed down Carlos Hyde and Mathews one two punch could be nasty. Ryan Mathews probably wouldn’t mind going going, back back, to Cali Cali…Niners have a nice arsenal of draft picks, at the very least I hope they take Taylor Hart off our hands.
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I respect Ryan Mathews enough to not want to see him traded to Dallas or anywhere in our division
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I actually don’t mind seeing us keep Mathews this season. But if Roseman is going to cut him after the season, Id rather see us get something for him now
He also said he would like to be in Dallas or Philly, the two teams showing him the most interest. He was on ESPN this morning responding face to face to all the questions McShay had about him.
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Niners/Cowboys allegedly would like to trade for Ryan Mathews…. Kind of expected us to trade him all along….. Niners have a lot of picks, send them Mathews and Hart if the Eagles actually end up taking Zeke
LB Jaylon Smith is expected to sit out 2016.
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/721016462945738752
Good for him, think he would be crazy to try and come back to fast…. If he takes his time to get right, he could still have a long career ahead of him…
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He should go to the Texans, who are already using Blood restriction therapy along with the Houston Rockets, this new type of therapy apparentky did wonders for Clowney and keeping Dwight Howard on the court this year
Use one of our 5’s or our 6.
Is it really possible that The Rams traded all that to move up without knowing which QB they are going to take? They can’t be that dysfunctional can they?
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There better be a guy you believe is going to be a QB GOD to pay what the Rams paid movin up..
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And if they do know who they are taking, what competitive advantage can they gain by keeping it secret and screwing with all the other teams?
Why jump to one if you’re agnostic between two guys? I’m sure haul required by CLE would have been less – that is unless CLE is DEF taking a QB. Seems to me CLE’s gm is the type of guy that would want all the picks he can get.
Yeah it didn’t make much sense to me either… If a coach/Franchise I respected made this trade, I would never think it’s possible that they would have made this trade without Loving one clearly more than the other… But when it comes to Fisher and the Rams, I can’t put that past them..
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Both players have question marks, so why is it a mark of dysfunction if they are undecided at this point? Leaf or Manning, Smith or Rodgers, they can be only so sure at this stage of the game. TL made the case for Rams liking Wentz (see Steve McNair references), but Goff can get on the field this season, which may be a big deal for that franchise. I’m all in on kicking Rams at every chance, their owner deserves nothing less, but put yourself in their position. You need a QB, there are two in the conversation, one appears much more polished, the other appears to have a higher ceiling, and should be able to extend plays much better than the first. I bet there is heated disagreement in that FO.
I don’t know about you, but I would only want to see the Eagles ever trafe away so much value unless it’s because they believe so much in a player and see him transcending their franchise to new levels,
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if they didn’t have one over the other, they could have probably gave the Browns a chance to make it worth their while to do the trade with the Browns instead of proceeding with the Titans…. If they see both QB’s as equals, why not try and save a 3rd round pick doing the deal with the Browns instead?
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But I don’t really believe that they don’t which QB they are taking..
A couple things: The Rams franchise has had eons to build a team with multiple high draft picks, and they’ve shown very little success in demonstrating improvement, moving in the right direction, etc. They have hired bad coaches, kept bad coaches, made some good picks, more than a few bad picks (who hasn’t?), but they had a protracted honeymoon with a #1, Heisman winning QB that went sour, and this is the curtain coming up on a new era for the franchise. I find the owner to be a hinderance with his ostentatious, spiteful extravagance, but he has put up some $ for success on the field. Bottom line, Rams have some young talent, but it is hard to turn a corner with Case Keenum or Nick Foles. Should Jeff Fisher have more to show for the personnel in his charge? No question. But Fisher is the owner’s mistake, and the owner has allowed the lack of a franchise QB to buy Fisher some time. Jeff Fisher has this talent for impressing franchise owners and sticking around far longer than he’s had a right to. First in Tennessee, and now with the Rams.
To your question, no, I would not want the Eagles to sacrifice a bunch of high picks on a gut feeling or worse, out of desperation. But that is because we have not had all that many high draft picks, and we have been just a notch above mediocre for so very long. I believe that HR is good enough to improve the team through the draft, but we are also in a QB bind. Still, I think what is happening right now, to quote our esteemed moderator, folks are talking themselves into liking a QB.
The Rams FO has arguably shown more talent in accumulating high picks than in utilizing them. Then again, there is the Jeff Fisher factor. If Kroenke held his HC accountable, he’d have a different HC, and maybe the talent on that team would shine. But the time was right for the Rams to make a move, and without a crystal ball, it is of less importance who they like more.
Are they the new Cowboys/Redskins? Extravagant owner who’s trying to buy his way to a championship?
all of Kreonke’s teams suck
It’d be incredibly disfunctional to make the trade before deciding.
I still can’t shake the Feeling that the Browns will try and trade LT Joe Thomas and CB Joe Haden on draft night
Yeah wouldn’t be surprised. I’m surprised they haven’t tried to move Gordon, maybe you can’t while he’s on suspension.
CLE has drafted a lot of good players, think consistent QB would have solved a lot of their problems but they are in a tough division.
Probably can’t get more than a 7th for Gordon until he gets reinstated and maybe even proves that he can get through the year without pissing Hot… Im a big fan of his talent, but would you want to see us give up more than a 7th for him right now?
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I hope we sniff around Joe Haden, but it be much more Gung Ho about trading for him if he isn’t coming off Surgery that will probably cost him a lot of The summer training..
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Joe Thomas would take us to new Heights if Peters was actually willing to move to left Guard which appears to not be the case…
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Lane, Big Daddy Brooks, Kelce, Jason Peters and Joe Thomas would be a MONSTROUS OL!!!… Sadly it’s unrealistic
Oh man, i’m sure Sammy B and zeke would be setting records behind that OL. Be a big difference from last year when i wanted to turn the game off after halftime.
Right… That would be crazy, but very unrealistic, JP doesn’t want to go to Guard, at least not yet,. Would we even want to pay him what we are paying him to play Guard?… But boy would KELCE be in heaven having the Power of Brooks and Peters next to him….
Think one way or another JP comes off the books after this season.
Maybe. Id say he definitely will be off the books two years from now.
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Can’t completely rule out, JP bouncing back and looking better than last year, now that we are eliminating the constant tempo, and have a former NFL player coaching who will understand when Peters needs to sit out of practice, instead of Chip who was against playing guys that HAVENT practiced.
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JP Wasnt horrible last year. With Doug Pederson trying to run 60 – 70 plays a game, instead of chip trying to run 90 plays a game, less snaps, less practice during the season, less constant crazy tempo, WOULDNT shock me if Jason Peters has a much better year than we think. I wouldn’t bet on it, but he could have 2 good seasons left in the Tank, especially if Pederson running 20-30% percent less plays than Chip was trying to run.
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jason Peters had a lot of solid play last year. We just aren’t used to seeing him get beat as much as he did last year…but with Chip trying to run more plays than everyone, he is giving opponents more chances to beat Peters..
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Hopefully we get lucky and find out he has more ball at a high level left in him Than we think.. But it really drove me crazy how often he was in and out of the game last year. Not only do we need him to cut down on the amount of plays he got beat last year, but we have to cut out the amount of times he goes in and out of the lineup by like 40-50% from last year.
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We probably can’t assume he has two great years left in him, which is why I have no problem with them dafting OL early and often in this draft, but Hopefuly he surprises us and we find out that he has more ball left in him than we think… And whenever we are ready to replace him at LT, I hope we try him at Guard before we put an end to his Eagle career…. Ideally, he retires as an Eagle. But playërs of his a caliber typically go steal money from some other franchise for a year once his team knows that he is done
Agree chip’s scheme is like D’antoni’s can ruin big players. Would expect JP to play at a higher level now that he’s back in a WCO offense that will require him to do less moving. I just don’t see wasting 2 years of LJ at a LT salary for a player that’s 45 years old, even if he’s HOF calibur.
Falcons have The most Brutal schedule.. They play the AFC West, NFC west, Eagles, Packers, Panthers twice… Bucs and Saints Probably beat them once..
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Good luck with that schedule “Matty Ice”.. falcons will be picking top 7 in 2017 Draft
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BS that week 8 we play Cowboys coming off their bye, and week 9 we play our Bitches(aka the Giants) coming off their bye… While it’s bad enough our bye is week 4, we waste our Bye week getting ready to play the friggin Lions? Yuck!
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All I asked for was that Johnny Manziel WOULDNT flame out of the league before we got to play against him once. now we get The Browns week 1 without Johnny, that just sucks!!! At least facing The Joke also known as RG3 week 1 isnt a bad consolation prize
Seen the Jets opening schedule? if they start 1-5 i think it will be a decent start for them… it is brutal.
Zeke claims that the only visits he went on are Cowboys, and Eagles… But he will visit the Dolphins and Bears next week….. Im sure plenty other teams have worked him out,. But only taking 4 visits? Did a team like the Dolphins promise his agent that he won’t fall past them or something?
Ohio State RB Ezekiel Elliott said he feels the Eagles are showing the most interest in him at this point.
He said Dallas and the Eagles. Not sure why it’s being reported as Only the Eagles
Elliott’s a good prospect, but I’m not sure how I feel about taking a RB at #8.
Well it’s interesting to me. Eagles basically have to take a RB somewhere in the draft. Zeke is by far the most talented.
If no QBs and the tackles are gone it’d be between zeke and maybe jack?
I’d rather have any one of Tunsil, Stanley, Hargreaves, Ramsey, or Jack than Elliott. Presuming the top two picks are QBs, the remaining five teams ahead of us would have to take all five of those guys before I’d want to grab Elliott. I think he’s very talented and has a good chance to be a Pro Bowl-caliber back but RB is such a fungible position that unless you have a chance to draft a truly unworldly talent like Peterson or Gurley (which Elliott IMO is not) taking one with a high first round pick, ahead of a blue-chipper at another spot, is a suboptimal use of resources in my view.
Not Hargreaves… Good prospect, but not good enough to be mentioned with those names..
He’s 5th out of 5 among those guys for me. But I still think I’d take him ahead of Elliott.
I think he belongs towards the top of The second Tier of prospects(which isn’t an insult by any means), if Hargreaves becomes an eagle, ill be annoyed if Roseman doesn’t trade back like 3 spots and then Take him.
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If we stay at #8, we better come away with one of the top tier guys.. If we are going to take someone from the top of the next tier, I want Rankins, but I can live with Hargreaves if we trade back first. I can live with Hagreaves becoming an eagle, but I think we can do better at #8
I would say that lots of late round backs have limited success. Thinking about the backs that are worth a second contract after starting for most of their first, i would hazard to say that they are mostly top picks.
Sure every year there are RBs that break 1,000 yds that you pick in fantasy only to have them flop the following year. Look at all the RBs that denver has run through in 3 years, Pats have cycled through a bunch, ATL, Miami, Oak, CLE, SD, BAL since ray rice left, the list goes on an on.
Then you look at the Bears, Philly (prior to McCoy leaving), Pitt, Vikings, now Rams, SEA, KC when their guy can stay healthy, consistent elite production.
If 15 RBs get drafted outside of round 1 this year, how many can be expected to become Franchise backs? 2 of 15? 5 of 15?
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We don’t just need a nice RB that can be part of rotation.. We need to find rookie legs that can go on to become our #1 back. I don’t like the Henrey kid in round 2 at all, so from round 3-7, how many RBs will go on to start for their franchise for 5-7 years? 1? 2? Maybe 3? If It ends up being one of the more stacked RB drafts, like 5?
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/04/15/ezekiel-elliott-says-eagles-have-shown-the-most-interest/
Zeke was on Sportscenter and on First Take with Skip Bayless, McShay, and Coach/Preacer Herman. If anyone is interested in hearing what he had to say.
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Mentioned the Eagles a lot, claims he made a great connection with RB coach Duce Staley and enjoyed his time with him. talked about us as a team that has most of the pieces in place to build something special, and how some of the ways Pederson talked about using him appeal to him.
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that’s interesting, trying to remember if there were people in the last couple of years that the ealges seemed like they were all over that we passed on.
Think we did a good job head faking with that WR from USC that went to Jags.
Yeah, I’m trying to think back to 2013 pre draft when we know that Roseman was still running everything his way,,
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I remember that predraft media was all over the place talking about Dion, Eric Fisher, Dee Milner (which infuriated me because I knew he was grossly over rated), and then I remember that the Wednesday (the day before the draft), our entire Local media zeroed in on Dion and Lane and everyone in philly was reporting that the pick would come down to one of those two…
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Zack Ertz was never connected to us, but most expected him to go round 1. I remember Walterfootball had Bennie Logan penciled in as our 3rd round pick for like a month, a month n a half leading up to the Draft. Still Baffles me why they felt so strong about Logan/Eagles in round 3 for over a month leading up to the draft, when that site usually changes names in its mock every week.
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This is why it’s so hard for me to believe that all these national media members are talking like HOWIE is so transparent and that they know what we are up to..
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HOWIE wasn’t involved last year, but I remember after the draft Agholar talked about how the Eagles showed the most interest in hiim
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I remember when our pick was announced on 2014 and the announcer said marcus..my whole body went cold i thought he was gonna say Marquis lee but when i realized it was Marcus smith..i let out a sigh of relief. Probably one of the only eagles fans that had that reaction
I was happy we drafted Ms2 when I heard his name called…3 summers later im still looking for a crumb of validation out of him lol
Marqise Lee
most likely smoke?
Yes, i think lots of gamesmanship
Number of team visits isn’t a reliable interpretation of draft interest. Visits are often used as smokescreens or to answer remaining questions about players: character-wise or injury-wise. If a team is confident in a player’s character and has no remaining questions, there isn’t necessarily a need to use one of a limited number of private visits on him.
I am aware of that,,, but I don’t think Zeke was answering the question in terms of Visit. On seperate occasions he was asked which team is showing the most Interest and he listed Eagles and also Dallas. he went into some detail about how he enjoyed his time with Pederson and Duce and liked Pedersons ideas of how to use him. didn’t go into any detail about Dallas. And then on a separate occasion(same segment) he was asked about his visits and listed Eagles, Dallas and scheduled visits with Miami and Chicago next week.
Im aware of all that but there is plenty examples of guys who were brought to novacare that ended up being drafted by us to ignore it, but there are also plenty of guys who we drafted that we didn’t bring in for visits, for Example, I believe Agholar was never brought to Philly, yet he said we were the team that showed the most predraft interest in him, we chose to go work him out in Florida instead of bringing him to Novacare.
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I don’t think Zeke going on TV and saying the Eagles showed the most interest means that we should think he is our Target. But today was Zeke day on Espn, he appeared on 3 or 4 different shows, nothing ground breaking but worth checking out. He went head to head with McShay answering questions that scouts have about him, he did a segment where he broke down his own film with McShay and Antonio Pierce.. Some good stuff, but no reason to come away think he will be an eagle any more or less than you did yesterday
TFY Draft Insider’s Tony Pauline reports the 49ers and Cowboys are
interested in trading for Ryan Mathews if the Eagles make him available.
Chip should be willing to give us the 7th overall pick plus a future second for him.
You know I haven’t been pounding the table in his defense, but I would be highly upset if that happened. I guess I am just to lazy to knowingly buck convention. Then I have to defend my point and I just want to nap.
I think Ryan Matthews is 100% the Bell Cow any team needs. He isn’t AP, or Gurly, but he is a versatile beast of a back. He hasn’t always been durable, and that is his only real downfall. Before Demarco Murray won the rushing title I thought of the both of them as very similar, giving the edge to Matthews (probably because he wasn’t a Cowboy). I actually remember laughing at my friend after a FFB draft because he drafted DM in the 2nd and RM last until like the 6th.
Don’t trade Murray and don’t draft Elliott. Keep RM, keep Sproles, get a young guy you trust like Polk. If/when RM goes down the lead guy is Sproles but the young guy is there to help. Lets not forget we always have the TE kid who I like so much, but never remember his name.
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Burton.. it came to me
How about another RB for LB trade, Chip? Ryan for Bowman?!
Chips Loves injured players too much to trade us Bowman
NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport reports teams have “differing opinions” on UCLA LB Myles Jack’s (knee) medical recheck. – not sure what that means.
This could mean that he has a shot at falling to #8.. Of course it could also mean that the Eagles are one of the teams that aren’t comfortable with his medical..
I guess it’s also possible that teams putting concerns of medical out there are trying to get him to Fall to them.
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Pretty surprised we haven’t seen a report of the Eagles bringing Jack to Novacare to check out how that knee is looking now. I’ll be Baffled if next week passes and we still HAVENT brought him in..
Roseman doesn’t telegraph his intentions
Right? Which makes me immediately feel that any report on what the Eagles want is a load. That Princess Bride clip Tommy posted the other day was perfect.
It means taking him is more risky. Most likely some teams didn’t pass him and that’s a giant red flag for me.
there are 6 must win games on the schedule for Doug.
if we can get 4 of them we should be happy I guess, can’t sweep the division really.
coach em up doug.
Tunsil never played an entire season? Injuries/suspensions….
Getting the Feeling that the teams spreading the rumors about questions of jacks knees are full of it and hope teams don’t draft Jack so he can fall to them because there are plenty of teams that are so comfortable with his knee that they don’t even have him listed as a guy that needed a medical Re-check..
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Pretty big DISCREPENCY between being so comfortable that you don’t even feel the need to check his knee again, and teams “concerned about his knee healing slow”
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Sounds more and more like Jack is perfectly fine, and some team is spreading crap trying to get him to fall to them…. Hopefully devious Roseman “little Finger” is using “the Master of Whispers” to spread ugly rumors about his knee
If I was a player with the chance to go 3rd or 4th overall . . .
but was ultimately picked by a team at 8th because the GM spread rumors about my medical condition . . .
Yeah, that’s the kind of team I’d want to land with.
I really doubt teams are doing that. Look at Drew brees shoulder for two teams having different opinions on the same injury
Heard that every team cleared him at the combine and no team placed him on their list of guys that needed a medical re-check… Anyone know if that’s true or false?
I am plenty happy with passing on him. If he were to be there in round 3, then we talk. To many guys with less scary injuries have never come back though.
ridiculous
Which part? Passing on him or taking him in the 3rd if he falls? Assume you mean passing on him. That’s fine. Since you were so contrite, I will return the favor in my response: Foolish.
I heard that every team cleared him at the combine, and no team put him on their list of guys they wanted a medical re-check with, but im still trying to find confirmation… If so, would it really be unheard of for a team that wants to draft him to put something negative out there about him? When it comes to the predraft process, I have heard worse.
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If no team wants a medical recheck of Jack, then seeing some team Exec who won’t go on the record put out something negative like that seems fishy to me.
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Had he ran the fourty at his proday, there probably wouldn’t be anything to question.
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Ultimateky I only care what the Eagles do, and I would hope they know EVERYTHNG there is to know about the medical condition of a kid we spend a top 10 pick on… But even with this latest report/rumor/speculation, however we want to categorize it, I still think it’s unlikely that he gets to #8
Pretty sure that just about every team was in on his recheck. If no one wanted one would he have even done it?
I admit that with Bradham, Hicks and Mychal all having Durability concerns, it would be Ideal if The LB they draft has a clean medical history.
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But Even if Jack experiemces a draft night fall, he still probably never even makes it to #15
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I wonder if all these questions just come from not running the 40 at the combine?
So in this scenario teams have access to the accurate information, some teams evaluate it, those teams float false rumors, and the other teams listen to the tumors instead of looking at the accurate information themselves?
I am having trouble seeming how teams are going to be fooled into letting him fall erroneously.
don’t get bogged down in facts or logic.
he’s on a roll . . .
O/T . . .
The Washington Post has an article up showing how the Top 50 contributors together donated $248 million personally and through their privately held companies — nearly half — of all Super PAC donations.
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Yeah, the Supreme Court’s 5-4 decision in Citizens United sure nailed it.
If money = speech, why isn’t my mother-in-law a billionaire?
your wife spent it all
If your want the money out of politics, you need the politics out of money.
It’s a clever and catchy soundbite, but realistically, how? If there is a government that does literally anything at all, there will be money involved that can serve someone’s interests.
Great phrase, unless a human brain is applied to it.
Think it’s going to have a bigger impact on the state and local levels. Don’t think it’s working as planned in the presidential race.
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excellent point. that’s where CU has been the most impactful for sure.
that doesn’t make it ok, there is a ton of power there. And impacts the senate and house.
it’s all just fixed. I’ve lost a lot of hope that politics works in any kind of fair way.
We finally have the tech to run a true democracy, where everyone has a say in everything the government does, and has the resources to have an informed opinion. Then Boaty McBoatface come along and reminds us it is a HORRIBLE idea.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/22/world/europe/boaty-mcboatface-what-you-get-when-you-let-the-internet-decide.html?_r=0
nah, one of them just figured they would get rid of the middleman. Why go to the Auction when you can just run the Auction house.
We’ve certainly seen that those state and local levels can make a much bigger difference than the presidential. We fool ourselves into thinking that voting once every four years is enough to make a difference.
but those 50 people only count for one vote each right? right?
what could be wrong with that?
You are joking right?
I don’t agree with the Citizens United decision but the job of the court is to interpret the Constitution and law without bias. What the practical effect of that intepretation shouldn’t really matter. They are deciding what the law is. If the people don’t like the practical effect of the law then they either need to amend the Constitution or lobby the legislature to change the law.
Interpreting the law allows for personal bias. Always has, and it’s certainly true right now. In other words, there is no reasonable claim that Citizens was a result of impartial or unbiased analysis. It was a political decision, even though the majority of Americans would prefer to deny that the SC has political bias.
There is no way the Court is doing that.
Greg:
What you wrote is surely a correct, simple description of the role of judges under U.S. Const. Art. III.
But the rubber hits the road when you get to the word “interpret.”
Notable how, before he died, Justice Scalia championed “original meaning” — using contemporary sources from the time of the Constitution’s framing.
Corporations, way back in the 1780s, were not “persons” in the manner commonly thought.
That certainly what the SCOTUS thought in late 19th century through Citizens United.
In a 5th A case called Hale v. Henkel (1906), the Court held that a corporation “is a creature of the State” with powers limited by the State.
Then along came Citizens United — and 5 justices say that congressionally imposed spending limits on corporations violate the 1st A . . . ’cause corporations are people too.
Nothing’s so simple with the SCOTUS, I regret, as “they just interpret the law.”
Well put.
Yes, all true, but it’s not my point. It’s a bad interpretation of the law because it’s a bad interrpretation of the law, not because the results of the interpretation are bad.
Greg:
Thanks for the clarification. AGREE 100%
Well court really screwed themselves because now they’re seen purely as a political body and i’m not sure how you ever really step back from that.
It’s bad if politics entered the decision, which many people feel it did. Which I guess gets back to your point.
The constitution mentioned campaign financing in relation to billionaires? I think not.
As I said, I don’t agree with their interpretation. What I’m saying is that their interpretation should depend only on what the law says not what the result of that interpretation is. That leads to interpreting the law in a biased manner to achieve a desired result.
I’m glad that shitheel Scalia is dead.
The Josh Innes Show @JoshInnesShow 23m23 minutes ago
Our NFL insider @AllbrightNFL has heard that the Eagles proposed trade to the Titans was a 2016 1st/3rd pick and the 2017 1st/2nd/5th picks.
GTF outta here, i hope it was just to bait the rams to spend two drafts for a qb.
Dangerous bait.
What if the Titans said “yes”?
Then you have a top QB prospect to lead this “new” regime.
Solid:
Would have loved that deal.
I mean, I wouldn’t have loved it. But, compensation aside, you either have a young QB you can hitch your wagon to for your franchise or you don’t. Right now, we don’t.
Agreed.
Part of the Eagles’ calculus — assuming the offer happened — may have been that with Bradford, the Eagles’ 1st in 2017 wouldn’t be a premium Top-10 pick.
Historically, as you move lower in the 1st Rd, you get further away from sure-fire hits. No rocket science there.
It’s a rationalization. And the Birds need more talent.
But without a great QB — sorry SAm! — the Birds’ll be plodding along . . . like most every other team.
Yeah very true, those picks are less bad if you’re picking in the 20s. But draft time next year would be so boring.
That was part of the Redskins calculus with RGIII as well… so hard to predict injuries / disaster seasons sometimes.
I just can’t tell if these guys are any good — we talking Derrick Carr level?
The Eagles are just going to have to suck in order to get a QB. Full on sixers, let’s go.
I wonder what it would take to get to #2 now.
Extremely expensive,.. It’s basically the new #1, and in some ways even more valuabke because now only 1 of the 2 QBs is available. Those analytic guys are going to get a kings ransom if they end up trading it
The value of a solid #2 cannot be measured easily.
Looking at this offer, seems more like the Titans would have said “No, thanks” — not the Eagles saying “no mas.”
Just out of curiousity, how can you stand to endure listening to that blowhard Innes? Hands down, that dude is by far the single worst thing that has ever happened to Philly sports radio. Id Rather hear 24 hours straight of Angelo Cataldi, then to endure 1 hour of Innes…. I can’t think of another man I ever found to be so unbearable.. Id rather listen to Elliot Shor Parks, and I don’t think I ever said that about anyone.
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As much as I hate most philly sports radio, I have to admit that it’s a love/Hate relationship, because whenever I’m in Italy, not having sports radio While driving around is one of the very few things I miss from philly
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BTW, I’ll stab Roseman in the neck if he ever dares give that up for any prospect
I’ve never listened to him, and stopped listening to any sports radio long ago, in fact. I just saw this on another board and posted it here.
Gotcha,,,, Im really interested in hearing from one of that Dudes “Fans”, because im so baffled by how that man gets any ratings, I actually liked hearing Hollis Tank Thomas every now and then, and now I can’t listen to him because he is paired with unbearable Innes
I am also disgusted by Josh Innes.
For those complaining about the early bye week:
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/is-this-real-is-the-late-bye-week-a-competitive-advantage/
Turns out there’s no correlation between a late bye and winning more games, or even a late bye and getting to the Super Bowl.
Ah, facts!
BC:
Nooooooooooooo!!!
You’re ruining a great, fact-free talking point.
Numbers ruin everything.
Because everything follows the average, all the time.
As if we are good enough for it to really matter anyway. We need two quality drafts to even have a chance at an elite roster ready to contend. If we are going to have to deal with less than Favorable bye weeks, this is a good year for it
Just wait and see. The team will be down trodden 1-3 going into the bye week… and then Sammy B will have one of his legendary shower room talks (everyday over a two week period) and they will reemerge to win the NFC East en route to a heart breaking NFC Championship game that will be lost by Nelson Agholor dropping a pass from Paxton Lynch.
NFC Championship here we come! Lol im down, sigń me up!
We would have to be 0-3 going into the bye… And if we lose to the pathetic Browns and Bears, that would be so much worse than losing to the Falcons last year. To also lose to our Pennsylvania Rivals oh man would that suck
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And after what Detroit did to us on Thanksgiving without Bradford, they better go into Detroit and Slaughter the Calvin Johnson-less Lions coming off our bye week…. That may be the the game I would be disgusted to lose the most out of the first 4. And just beating the Lions ISNT even enough. bradford better run the score up on the men, while Cox gives Stafford the beating of his life.. Im Sure our Cox and the roughryders wiill be Fired up to Get Scheartz a win against his ex Detroit team. We better demolish that team on some 55-6 type ish
0-3 it is… it’s been a long week. at any rate, I’m expecting almost anything this year from this team.
Any source on what a four day week correlates with?
I’m loving these real facts and stats around here.
I know this was said yesterday, but it bears repeating. Grantland was a great site and sorely missed.
Wonder how much Power chip currently has?
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BALDI made statements that have sparked rumors about alleged trouble in 49er paradise already. Even rumors/reports about it always being a case of “1 guy wanting to hire chip. While the other guy never wanted Chip”… Does that mean a case of Gamble vs. Baalke, or York vs Baalke?
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Even if Chip is powerless at the moment, most relationships at least start with a GM trying to get a coach the players he wants.
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But even tho chip failed miserably at building the “Culture” he seemed obssessed with Building, we at least saw Chip create a roster of guys that would all show up for every offseason training session mandatory or not, And at least he created a roster of players who didn’t get arrested (which unfortunately is rarely the case in the NFL)… His stock as a coach took a major beating, which was all his fault, to the point where there was almost no market for his services once we fired him, and allegedly he had to reach out to the few teams that even gave him an interview. so clearly this all points to someone who most likely has very little power outside of the 53 man roster(im sure there are guys he isn’t even allowed to cut and keep from the 53 man roster)..
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His lack of options after his Fall from grace in philly, led to having to take a job with a team who has had one of the most lenient owners and GMs when it comes to employing criminals. Power tripping Chip Kelly went into year 3 without a guard because he just had to cut mathis because he sat of mini camp, and NOW that Coach is leading the 49er roster that has been full of “questionable Charechters” to put it Mildley… He is now coaching a team who has an elite 25year old RT that retired, walked away from the game, and now seems to plan on being reinstated, but seems to be milking dragging his feet long enough to miss some of the offseason training when he has a new coach, new offense to learn, and has to get in super shape to play at that tempo?…. This to me makes it pretty clear that Chip has been nueterd in a big way and ISNT very powerful at all which is unfortunate for all The other GMs lol
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One of Chips viewpoints that make him a good fit with the Niners are his willingness to gamble on Injuries, The Niners have had a lot of picks in a handful of drafts recently, and it seemed like they always invested picks in guys that needed to be redshirted as rookies trying to take advantage of talented players falling in the draft because of injuries. So Chip and Baalke should be on the same page when it comes to not being timid when it comes to injured players…
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I can’t help to feel like if Chip had any real power and full backing of the franchise we would have seen a more active offseason, cutting or trading takented guys he has no patience of dealing with like azy playërs, guys with questionable commitmemt to football, guys who break the law, Fullbacks and positions He devalues.. Yet it’s been a rather quiet offseason especially for a franchise that had a ton of Cap space, but is dealing with a pretty drastic and significant coaching/scheme changes.
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philadelphia Chip probably:
1) Cuts or Trades Bruce Miller for being a fullback, and his domestic violent issue a year or two ago
2) Tells top young RT to piss off for being Lazy and dragging his feet on the reinstatement process instead of getting his fat ass in shape to play at his crazy tempo
3) gets rid of Torrey Smith. Chip DOESNT seem to enjoy the typical Diva NFL WR.
4) Kap would probably have been traded for a 5th round pick already if he didn’t bow down and kiss EMPOROR chips ring..
5) Jeff Maehl and other Ex ducks would have been added at least to the 90 man camp roster just to have some players who already understand how chip wants to train
6) Built a state of The art Smoothie Bar
7) Elevates Azzinaro to Defense Coordinator especilly when he was having a hard time finding someone to take that job
8) Inmediately given The little rugby player player a 5yr Riley Cooper level extension
9) Traded for Dion and Kiko
10) gave us more than the Broncos gave us for Mark Sanchez
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Hopefully the Niners rivals all have a year filled with costly injuries, chip inexplicably leads that crappy roster to a fantastic season, so that he can Usurp Baalke or at least elevate his boy Gamble to GM, so we can see the Mad King back in power next offseason, even tho he is the type who could refuse to do any business with Roseman out of spite, but even if we can’t take advantage of his warped impressions of “Value”, we can still enjoy his trades with other teams from a far
In 2015, a total of just 46 NFL players were arrested, including for such things as reckless driving.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/arrests/
That’s 46 out of about 2,000 players — including practice squad types.
It’s not the problem you make it out to be. At all.
Chip doesn’t necessarily need choir boys, he just needs players with growth mindsets…players like DeMarco Murray and Byron Maxwell.
Ah, the irony of Kelly being unshakably set on getting players with a “growth mindset”
What a crock of crap that guy was.
It’s ironic that Chip displayed classic signs of having a fixed mindset himself by not accepting Howie as a “football guy”.
Which bothers me, because that was a good book.
The US Women’s soccer team is much worse in comparison per capita
Interesting that the two best LBs in this draft are having differing opinions on how they recover from their injury. I would love to know what the team’s stance on Jaylon Smith is.
If you invest a top 100 pick in Jaylen, I think a team allowing him to play as a rookie would be really foolish and short sited. Where as If Myles Jack doesnt end up playing as a rookie it would have to be considered very Dissapointing and even more alarming because of how long it will have been since his injury/Surgery occured..
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It would be interesting to find out how the Eagles see jaylen. I would think its unlikely that a team would take him top 15.. But he is so talented that we probably can’t rule out some teams considering him worthy of a Flier in the late 20 range.. Wonder if we would even be comfortable enough to take him in round 2? Round 3? Possible that he is completely removed from some teams board.
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You would think he is one of the guys who’s opinions will vary on the most along with Noah Spence, Nkemdiche.. Shawn Oakman would have been one of those guys but he is completely undraftable now.. As in, possibly even too Hot for Jerry Jones which is a rare level
I think you would have to look at the history or returning from nerve damage. Has it ever been done before? Former Eagles safety JR Reid had damage to his peroneal nerve too. He never fully recovered, although he did play with a brace.
Odds are, Smith never fully recovers. If he does play, he would probably have “foot drop”, which would limit his athletic ability and require the need for a brace, even for everyday walking around.
Carson Palmer had nerve damage in his arm but he turned out ok.
Good memory, I forgot that. Apparently, he had a bruised nerve that had a high recovery rate.
My uncle is 77 and had major back surgery recentlh with severe nerve damage (prior to surgery). The Dr told him it may take over a year for the nerve to heal and that he may always have nerve pain.
I guess the question comes down to whether Smith will heal enough that pain may be the only issue, or will the damage cause permanent physical limitations. BTW, I looked it up after my first post, but JR Reed severed his nerve. It appears Smith merely bruised his, which should be recoverable.
Pretty sure at his last workout he looked to be recovering well. Even a severed nerve can grow back but at an extremely short rate or 1mm per day. However other nerves can take up the slack of the damaged one which aids in recovery.
Will smoothies make him feel better?
Reports are all over the place for how severe the damage is for Smith right now. First there was no nerve damage then there was it’s very bad then Smith works out at his pro day and now we’re back to it’s very bad again. Is one accurate report that hard to get?
J. Smith not playing first year, may never play at a high enough level at all. Really too bad, if you sign him (a) blown roster spot, (b) i’d get an insurance policy on the cash.
This is mildly interesting.
https://imgur.com/O9GaaWX
https://twitter.com/HBalzer721/status/720724319727259648
Pretty sure Tommy used that exact tweet in the article…
He did. This is what happens when you try to get everything in like 2-3 hours a week. 🙁 Sorry.
Hypothetical question for mock draft purposes:
If the Browns were to trade OT Joe Thomas, what do you think they could get for him? Elite LT but 31 years old. Turns 32 in December.
A 3rd round pick.
Yeah, I’m thinking at least a 2nd. 31 isn’t that old yet. He’s not just a good LT, he’s the best in the league.
I would put Tyron Smith above him at this point. Thomas can still definitely help out a Super Bowl contender like the Panthers for the price of a low 2nd round pick.
Would you give up a 3rd for him?
Not for the Eagles. For some other teams that are likely to not get one of the top-tier OTs in the draft, then yeah I think Thomas is worth a 2nd.
What happens with with JP – you think he retires or we retire him?
JP sticks this year, retired or is released next year. Eagles’ situation is a little different in they already have their LT to replace him. Finding a RT is a lot easier. Can be done with mid-round pick or moderately priced FA.
What if they can get Tunsil/Stanley (or whoever is better of the two) – LJ still goes to LT? Would it be better to try to get stud bookends, or is RT overrated?
IMO, yea we need two bookend OTs. It’s sort of like a luxury but this is a luxury of like having the best healthcare instead of..lesser healthcare.
That would be awesome and I think Johnson would stay at RT.
They could bring Tunsil along like a QB, let Peters start with Tunsil backing him up and bring Tunsil in when he’s ready.
Sounds too good to happen though.
Depends on if he can still play at a high level this year. I love JP but we’re going to move on from him soon.
Im more interested in taking Joe Haden off their hands. I think they will end up trading Haden and Joe Thomas
Think his age combined with his contract will probably make it a 3rd round pick.
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Hadens surgery this offseason would probably make his trade value a 3rd round pick as well
I think they will trade Joe Thomas, and possibly also trade Joe Haden. Id expect they would get a 3rd for both guys
Is there a possibility that Lynch and/or Cook go in the top-10? Is there more than one desperate GM in the league, and if so, could we get some benefit from that?
Well, Tampa Bay w/ Winston is at #9 and the Giants w/Eli are at #10 so if the Eagles don’t want either at #8 I’d say no. But the Saints at #12 had Lynch in for a visit yesterday. Could Chicago at #11 be interested? maybe.
Chicago needs a QB. Saints need a succession plan. It’s possible, but you’re first mind is probably correct. If Cleveland gives up its pick before draft day, the possibility could be stronger.
I was feeling good about the schedule when it came out last season and saw a 9-7 season before the draft & the playoffs as NFC East champs.
This schedule has a murderer’s row in it for the Eagles with a really tough 2nd half. I see 7-9 again right now with that schedule & the Eagles’ roster.
Yes! It’s the opposite. That means they go 9-7. I think you should predict them to go 3-13. Just kidding, but I’m about where you are. I’m hoping somewhere between 7-9 wins.
On the other hand, this is already a better team than they had last year when they went 7-9 and they are a season removed from two 10-6 seasons. While we should probably anticipate some pain in transitioning to a new offense, Schwartz’s defense seems to be partially defined by a lack of complexity.
10-6 wouldn’t stun me but almost everything has to break right including the defense notably improving into a Top 10 unit & continuing to get above average special teams play. I see this team right now as I saw them the last 2 years (~.500 team with a little more likely downside this year than the last 2 years).
The offense right now just seems like it is going to be very pedestrian and struggle to put up points consistency.
Get the Eagles team in order and the schedule will take care of itself. This is not a terrible team but there’s a lot still to do.
CBS Sports’ Jason La Canfora reports the Browns’ desire to trade out of the No. 2 overall pick has “intensified” since the Rams moved into the No. 1 overall position.
La Canfora is one of the NFL insiders who believes Cleveland prefers Cal’s Jared Goff over North Dakota State’s Carson Wentz, and that the Rams will draft Goff. “Goff is and was the Browns’ guy,” La Canfora tweeted. If the Browns are desperate enough to move down, it’s possible the No. 2 pick could go for a slight discount. That could benefit the Eagles, who are known to covet Wentz.
Shefty is on NFL Insiders saying the Eagles are the most likely team to trade to #2… W’ell see about that..
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Sal Pal says Roseman has talked to all the GMs picking ahead of us, and a few of the GMs picking behind us..
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Personally, I think that if we trade up to draft a QB, Roseman is a MORON for giving Bradford 22million… If you wanted Bradford,but already know that he won’t be your guy Longterm, we should have treated Bradford the same way the Jets treated Fitzpatrik… I respect Roseman to much to believe that he can be this Incompetant to give SAM 22 mil, give Chase what they did, AND package valuable picks for a QB eliminating any chance of SAM being here Longterm which was what we paid him 22mil to find out.
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It would make signing Bradford the dumbest move of the offseason, where as if he doesn’t take a QB his offseason will be considered brilliant. if they draft Wentz, there is NO WAY THEY CAN EVER EXTEND BRADFORD, and if there is No Chance of that, then giving SAM 22mil will become the single worst move of the offseason.
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Im excited to see What Bradford can do, and I praise the signing, but only because the signing meant we paid to evaluate SAM one more year, buying another year before we have to make a decision on SAM. If you draft Wentz, there is NO DECISION TO MAKE, because we won’t be extending Bradford no matter what he does next year, and if there was No chance of extending him, it will turns a Solid signing, into the dumbest signing of the offseason.
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I respect HOWIE too much to think he isn’t better than that, I know all the rumors and all the talk, but I need to see them come out of this draft with Wentz to believe it… My money’s on drafting Hogan later in the draft