The Day After
Posted: May 1st, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 397 Comments »The draft is in the books. The Eagles have added some good UDFAs. Since we’ve already talked about the draft picks, let’s now talk about the UDFAs.
OG Darrell Greene – 6-3, 321 – San Diego State – 3-year starter for SDSU. Played RG. Plays with good leverage and is a powerful blocker. Limited athlete, but good enough for RG. I’m sure one of the things the Eagles liked about him is that he plays with an edge. Shows a nasty streak on the field. Draftable player, but was suspended for some games at the beginning of the year and that may have hurt him. Also was a very deep OL class. The Eagles checked him out before the draft so this is someone they had real interest in.
LB Myke Tarvarres – 6-0, 230 – Incarnate Word – Small school star, but previously played at Arkansas so he has legit talent and athleticism. Had 22.5 TFLs in 2015 and was just dominant against lesser competition. Had a good showing at his Pro Day. Played LB/DE and attacked off the ball a lot. Projects to WLB in the NFL. Could also be a great STer with his athleticism and physicality. Punishing hitter. Really interested to see him play.
DT Connor Wujciak – 6-2, 291 – Boston College – Athletic, hard-working DT. Played a lot of NT and was willing to do the dirty work of eating up blockers. When allowed to attack, he was disruptive. Had 12 TFLs (4.5 sacks) on the season. Draftable player. Good fit for the scheme. Can play the NT role, but also able to slide over and be effective 3-technique.
DT Aziz Shittu – 6-3, 279 – Stanford – Odd player. Played DE, DT and NT for the Cardinal. Led the team with 14 TFLs (4.0 sacks). Put on some game tape and he’s very limited. Watch other games and Shittu jumps out. Can be very quick off the ball. Problem is that he lacks ideal agility. Limited athlete. Has violent hands and uses them effectively. Defensive MVP of the Rose Bowl. Haven’t had a chance to watch that game yet. Would be a 3-tech in the Eagles system. Needs to bulk up a bit. UDFA grade.
DT Destiny Vaeao – 6-3, 298 – Washington State – Breakout season for the Cougars, finishing with 12 TFLs (4.5 sacks). Looks very good at times. Strong Pro Day performance. Did 27 reps, showing upper body strength. Had vertical jump of 35.5 inches, incredibly good for a DT. That shows lower body explosion. You see that on tape when he attacks off the ball. Was DE in base 3-4 defense at WASU. Strong enough to be stout vs run. Athletic enough to rush the passer. Draftable player who can play NT or 3-tech for the Eagles. Good scheme fit.
LB Quentin Gause – 6-0, 232 – Rutgers – Played SAM. Doesn’t have ideal frame for that spot in the NFL, but is strong and will set the edge. Played in space as well as up on the LOS. Solid athlete. 2-year starter who finished 2nd on the team in tackles each year. UDFA prospect who could challenge for roster spot or be ideal practice squad candidate.
WR Byron Marshall – 5-9, 201 – Oregon – Versatile playmaker for the Ducks. RB/WR/KOR. Not a great athlete. Ran 4.56 at his Pro Day. Terrible vertical jump of just 29.5 inches. That would be okay for OL, not a skill player. He is a quick, agile player. I wonder if the Eagles see him as potential replacement for Darren Sproles or more of a slot receiver candidate. Ran for more than 1,000 yards in 2013. Had more than 1,000 receiving yards in 2014. Only played 4 games as Senior before getting hurt. Was KOR this year and averaged 27.5 yards per return.
WR Cayleb Jones – 6-3, 209 – Arizona – Son of former Dallas Cowboy LB Robert Jones. Began at Texas, but left after breaking the jaw of a tennis player. Got a fresh start and Arizona and spent 3 years there. No incidents. Star receiver for them in 2014, 2015. Averaged 15 yards per catch and totaled 14 TDs. Big receiver who can play through contact and make tough catches. That’s the good news. Bad news is that he only runs 4.65 and also doesn’t get much separation from DBs. Will need to learn to run routes. Has potential, but needs work. Should have stayed for his Senior season.
LS John DePalma – 6-6, 252 – West Virginia – 4-year snapper for the Mountaineers. Also played some TE. The Eagles need competition for Jon Dorenbos.
WR Hunter Sharp – 5-11, 196 – Utah State – Suspended for the first 2 games of 2015. Came back from that and posted solid numbers. Ran 4.51 at his Pro Day. Has good RAC ability and a bit of return experience. Doesn’t have great speed, but was effective downfield receiver at times. UDFA prospect.
WR Marcus Johnson – 6-1, 204 – Texas – Explosive speed. Ran 4.39 at his Pro Day. Unfortunately, a straight line player. Terrible agility numbers (4.39, 7.26). Had a 37-inch vertical, which shows explosion and helps with his speed. Caught 61 career passes. Also has some KOR experience. Long shot, but you live the size/speed combo.
RB Cedric O’Neal – 5-11, 204 – Valdosta State – Very good small school player, but limited pro prospect. Scored 49 TDs and averaged more than 6 yards per carry. Had a very strong Pro Day workout that got teams attention. I’m just not sure how he will adapt to stronger competition. Certainly has the physical ability to play in the NFL, but I’m not sure about the polished running skills. Worth a look in camp. The Eagles did show interest in him prior to the draft.
CB C.J. Smith – 5-11, 188 – NDSU – 3-year starter for the Bison. Broke up 56 passes in that time. Picked off 8 others. You love that kind of production, but also worry why so many passes came his way. Sloppy tackler. Must get stronger and more physical to have any chance in the NFL.
TE Dillon Gordon – 6-4, 295 – LSU – Crazy story. Started 25 games, but got hurt and missed most of his Senior season with Achilles injury. Victim of a stabbing at a bar so I’m sure that incident prompted plenty of questions from teams. Lists at 295, but doesn’t look that big to me. Good blocker, but I don’t think he’s likely to convert to OL. At his best blocking vs LBs and DBs. Had 7 career catches. Get him healthy and see what he can do in 2017.
C Bruce Johnson – 6-3, 302 – Maine – Good athlete who started for 3 years. Won the 2015 Rimington Award for the FCS level, meaning he was the top Center at the FCS level. Dominant at his level. Watch him play against Boston College and he more than holds his own. My favorite UDFA and it isn’t even close. Hell, might be my favorite Eagle. This kid is rattlesnake mean. Blocks until the whistle blows and then keeps going for half a second. Doesn’t want to just block his opponent. Wants to put the guy on the ground and drive him through the earth until the dude is in China. I’ll be writing a lot more about him this spring.
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I’ll be posting a draft recap and all kinds of thoughts in the coming days.
The Eagles made some interesting moves and added some talented players. There are a lot of football and non-football angles to discuss.
Overall I think Howie Roseman and the scouting staff did a good job.
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Tommy, your attention to details is much appreciated. That and your unambiguous support for the home team is why this site is visited by me every time I’m online.
I’ll be honest… When you read these little bios on players, so many of them sound good it’s like.. A lot of them have a good chance to make the team, but you realize it’s just not possible….
It’s like a kid in the candy store effect. I want them all!
To get a better view you really have to read multiple scouting reports from different sources. It gives you a much better idea. I was originally pretty down on our 3rd round OL (not going to try and type name) after reading a scouting report. I then continued to read about 10 of them and came away impressed. I went from pissed to really liking the pick.
Ironically Semmy ( I am going with the hockey nickname paradigm) completely stoned Shittu ( can’t go with the hockey paradigm for that guy) in the Stanford game I watched on Draftbreakdown.com. He didn’t even get to stand around the pile…. 🙂
A huge departure from the squeaky-clean draftees of the Chip Kelly (and to a slightly lesser extent Andy Reid) era. Not a fan of guys with rap sheets but at the same time, we’re not talking about taking flyers on these guys in the 1st or 2nd rounds (cough…Bengals, Cowboys….cough)
The overall philosophy appears to be to build a mean, tough OL and D and let the so-called skill players do their thing.
I desperately wanted that CB that the Chiefs got last year by the name of Peterson.
Rated as the best cover guy in the draft but with major character flaws. He ended up being an enormous playmaker for them last year, single highhandedly changing games.
Sometimes its worth it to bring someone like that on board. He could very well be a top 5 CB in this league at some point soon.
Marcus Peters
Yes!
Phillies are tied for 5th best record in baseball.
It has been a fun start but it is very early
Yea, given their offense this isn’t sustainable. But it’s certainly fun!
Mets have 8 losses now, Phillies are responsible for 3 of them,
Nats have 7 losses, Phillies are responsible for 4 of them.
Not a baseball fan, but living in the DC area it’s always good to see the Nats lose. Except for missing out on the Papa Johns coupons!
Yes, it is surprising but welcomed. Please dont jinx it lol.
This writeup and analysis is very much appreciated, TL. Awesome stuff. The analysis on Bruce Johnson is interesting. Eagles have added a lot of talented pieces on the interior of the OL, especially at C. Kelce has been banged up and the depth at the position gives the team great insurance.
darrell greene? i might have some trouble rooting for someone with a name like that.
Heh, that dude could play.
We got him 33 years too late. He was almost as good as Michael Haddix. lol
I like what they are doing with OL depth.
And seems Mills was a steal. Good job.
See potential in Smallwood, but would like more Perkins.
Mills does seem to be a steal. Have you read the article in which Kiper had him rated as 2nd round guy, and some execs had him as a 3rd-4th guy?
I like Smallwood and i think he can end up being a very good #2 RB or 3rd down RB in this league. Im ok with that for now. Next year you have some serious RB talent coming out.
Yeah, and that’s make Dallas pick even worse hahahah
In order to be a steal the kid really needs to get his act together and stay out of trouble. But the talent is certainly there. With TODAYS supersensative NFL climate, a 7th round pick would be insane to not walk the straight and narrow.
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Mills should be thankful and make the most of his second chance because it’s unlikely that he will get a 3rd..
T-Law:
Every year, you put a huge effort into draft prep. And it shows.
The past couple weeks, especially, you’ve put out absolutely top-shelf work,
as we’ve come to expect.
Thank you. For investing your time. For sharing your work product.
And for your commitment to this blog.
I’m privileged to be a visitor here.
Found this website about 5 years ago while on the eagles website. Have read it every day since
Yes thanks Tommy. Been a reader and support of yours for a long time (Rock360 on old Eagles MSG boards).
Well said. I think I’ve literally read every word he’s printed. As well as the vast majority of all these comment threads. Igglesblitz is the first and last Eagles page I read every single day. :~)
1 more UDFA signing that most didn’t pick up on last night – LB L.T. Fialaga of Utah State:
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865653335/USU-football-LT-Filiaga-signs-free-agent-contract-with-Philadelphia.html?pg=all
Utah, the once and future Oregon.
I thought that was Idaho?
I like the competition for Dorenbos. Hell be 36 when the season starts and had a down year last season.
But why can of magic tricks can he do to entertain the coaching staff and players on road trips? Other intangibles?
The wife?
This whole deal hinges on the development and performance of Wentz. If he and the coaches do their jobs and Roseman builds a team that will help him succeed, this draft will be very fondly remembered. If not, we’ll see more turnover and will have to try again. The hurdle is high since we need Wentz to be a star, not just good. Right now it is unknown if Pederson & Co can develop talent, if Roseman can build a sustainable winning team and if Wentz has the tools to make it big. I’ll be cheering them on all the way .
Wentz obviously needs to work out, but for the draft as a whole to be labeled as a success i think 1 of our 2 drafted OL needs to become a good starter and 2 solid backups from the draft need to emerge.
So we have the best FCS QB and best FCS center? Nice.
Dear god, 35.5 vert for a 300 lb man? That sounds terrifying.
Probably registers on the Richter scale. Geologists be like “is there fault line in Philly???”
Lol we signed a UDFA DT with a 25inch vertical, lol the veterans should force him to jump up and down in front of the team all summer to show off his “hops” as his rookie hazing…. By the time I turn 40 I will still be jumping higher than that.
We need an exception to the jersey number rules so Shittu can be number 2.
22?
Deuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuce!
Bears cut OG Matt Slauson. He played every snap for them last year and played well, can play G or C, and is only 30. He was scheduled to make $2.85M this season which isn’t so much that it should cause him to be a cap casualty. I heard though even before they drafted Whitehair that they could release him. There are rumors out there of some infidelity situation, don’t have any ideas on the details. Hooking up with a teammates’ signicant other?
The Eagles don’t have a huge need now on OL but worth exploring.
Back log of guys but given the way we’ve played the last two years you need it
He is an option, but my guess is that the Birds are going to give Barbre and the young guys a chance.
I’d be more interested in Billy Turner when Slauson signs in Miami (connections with Gase and Tannenbaum)
Already way too much emphasis on the ‘off-the-field issues’ with some of the players they drafted in the later rounds. They are basically taking lottery picks and hoping to score on 1-2 as starters. Just become a larger part of the media now to focus on that even more.
I’m not say you support or even give a pass to players who commit criminal action but at the same time it seems like the pendulum has swung a bit too far in the other direction. An Eagles’ draft pick tweeted undesirable and foolish things when we was 18 or 19? Oh no the horror, the travesty.
As for the aforementioned quality issues and character, what about several of the now departed Eagles’ players (Murray, Maxwell, Austin, Alonso) who had lots of dirt come out on them on how they were malcontents last year or had other off-field issues. Now they have the issues with Bradford including the reports today that he is refusing to speak with the Eagles currently.
Character and its value in NFL players is something that is overrated.
Your effort are much appreciated. Always come to this site. I think Greene was paid quite a bit of money and I imagine there will be a lot of turnover on the Oline this year (sorely needed). I think a couple of these guys make the team and many more the practice squad. I also think Kielce better work his butt off as younger, cheaper, bigger people are nipping at this heels.
Not just the competition pushing for his job, but for the fact that im not sure if Kelce is Pedersons type of C.
Kelce is by no means a normal C. He is a very specific tool in which most teams would choose a different tool.
Funny how without Chipper here, nobody is crying about the Eagles taking Oregon players in the draft this year!
The Eagles were working with a scouting staff that until 5 months ago probably had a significant Oregon bias. Perhaps we won’t see as many next draft.
Hopefully this year Howie will fire a few PAC-12 scouts and increase his SEC coverage.
I doubt the scouts had an Oregon bias. From all reports it was simply the man in charge of them that did.
To be a successful scout you need to push stuff like that out of your head and focus solely on the player in front of you. A scout that cannot do that will recommend the wrong player and will not be employed by that team much longer.
Im watching you from here on out, got it
Was thinking the same thing and sort of chuckled when we did draft one.
Maybe the scouting department spent most of their resources scouting Ducks and other pac animals
I would like to see ducks used as pack animals. A flock of them, swimming in a line wearing saddle bags.
Greg has pointed out that most of the heavy hitters in the scouting department are currently west coast facing guys.
No SEC outside of Auburn, Florida, LSU. No ACC other than Wujciak. No big east at all.
Seems like they don’t like their coverage in midwest, mid-atlantic, or southeast.
Here is a random question (no other baggage or factor aside) – would you rather have Mariota or Wentz as the QB of the franchise moving ahead forward?
I’d be willing to bet that ‘new car smell’ phenomenon is prevalent in Philly right now with Wentz being the clear winner. I’m not sure but I might lean toward Mariota.
Interesting question. A lot of people seemed to call MM a system QB this time last year. After a relatively successful rookie year, that thinking has faded. In fact people now have convinced themselves that last year was 2 can’t miss prospects, but these 2 have major questions, but I digress. Now the major concern seems to be based on his ability to stay healthy. While I think that concern is fair, I think it would be hard to argue for a guy who hasn’t played a snap in the NFL, specifically a guy even his own supporters think could benefit from sitting a year, over a guy with some success as a rookie.
Regardless, I’m glad we finally have a guy in the building to hitch our wagon to as the next franchise QB. Seems like a long time since we’ve had anything but fools gold
The main reason people want him to sit for a year is due to the jump in opposing talent from div2 to NFL. I think if he can prove that he can handle that jump in talent in TC and PS it would be no different then throwing Mariota, Goff, or Winston in.
He did handle a more pro oriented offense then Goff or Mariota so the intellect and scheme isnt why people dont want him thrown in there.
Even if he proves he can handle it i would rather have Bradford out there for at least half the season if not all of it. It will simply help alleviate SOME bumps.
Two of the reasons I want him to sit for a year are that he had limited starts in college, and he had some sloppy mechanics (i.e., even when he had time and space to step into his throws, he had a tendency to arm throw it – he got away with that against div 2 talent, he’s going to get in a lot of trouble with that in the NFL).
I think MM was a better prospect coming out, and I wasn’t sold on him last year. But that’s water under the bridge now, and I’ll be rooting for Wentz to prove me wrong.
FCS previously 1AA, Div II to FCS is a bigger jump than FCS to FBS IMHO.
I would rather have Mariota. I think he was the 2nd best QB prospect of the past decade, and last year did nothing to dispel that. However, the cost for Wentz, while high, was significantly less than it would have been for Mariota. I think we would have mortgaged too much for Mariota, so I’m okay with Wentz.
Hard to say. I’ll drink the look aide for now just for the fun. Went>all
Wentz due to unadulterated bias.
Right now, Mariota, though I haven’t seen much of Wentz. I hope I feel different after preseason.
Mariota simply because we know for a fact that he handle opposing big time talent. I think Wentz can, but there is a difference between THINK and KNOW.
There are things that i like about Wentz more then Mariota. His in game intellect (not saying Mariotas is low), his size, and i think Wentz does have a slightly better arm.
MarIOTa. He had a high projection and he has _already_ had success in the NFL, thus less need for projection. Until Wentz does it in the big leagues, he’s a question mark.
I think the big issue last year was Chip saying something like “take our 1 for 2015, 2016 and 2017, take our [add more high picks] AND take any two players on our team.
For those that know: handicap it for the rest of us. Do any of these guys have 50/50 odds of making the team? Are any of them purely camp bodies who will never make it past first cut?
yes.
I would say there is a 50% chance that 50% of the UDFAs make the team.
Seriously though, I would say DePalma has a strong chance to unseat Dorenbos.
I would say it’s less than 50%. If you include practice squad then it’s a bit higher. Most UDFAs end up making the practice squad and work their way into a roster.
Last year, only 4 UDFAs (including practice squad) made the roster. Keep in mind that these are fringe guys unless they improve drastically so they’re often long shots.
I like Destiny’s chance to make an impact, simply because we don’t have a lot of penetrating D-tackles on the team. He also has the athletic tools based on his combine/pro-day numbers. The incumbents in front of him are guys with the complete wrong tool box 🙂
“50 % of the time it works all the time.”
Greene and Tavares both got a ton of money (it offsets against PS money) so they are similar to Bamiro a few years ago in that they’ll both be on the PS at the minimum.
The DT’s all have a shot.
One of the WR will likely at least make the practice squad.
Smith probably has the hardest time. We have alot of CBs.
At the end of the day though it’s pretty hard to say. I liked the Nebraska-Kearny OL last year. He didn’t make it out of OTAs. Rice looked like a camp body and made the roster.
Nice, thanks.
Is it a positive reflection on Howie that so many UDFAs have a legit chance, or a negative reflection on the quality of our roster?
Part of it being scheme switch. Part of it being lack of top 150 picks. Part of it being smart about where to allocate UDFA resources.
C Bruce Johnson – 6-3, 302 – Maine – Good athlete who started for 3 years. Won the 2015 Rimington Award for the FCS level, meaning he was the top Center at the FCS level. Dominant at his level. Watch him play against Boston College and he more than holds his own. My favorite UDFA and it isn’t even close. Hell, might be my favorite Eagle. This kid is rattlesnake mean. Blocks until the whistle blows and then keeps going for half a second. Doesn’t want to just block his opponent. Wants to put the guy on the ground and drive him through the earth until the dude is in China. I’ll be writing a lot more about him this spring.
Our Nate Ilaoa award winner already.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y41_X2NMTE4
Bruce Johnson highlights
Very enjoyable. I see why Tommy likes him.
Love that pick in 7th round. Bring in some guys with something to prove
Bruce, whats for breakfast? Pancakes! Whats for lunch? Pancakes! Whats for dinner? Pancakes!!
Envisioning an eagles team with a dominate OL and DL is making me giddy.
BOOM! And if he plays vs the Jags Bruce will FLAPJACK!
You know you suck when a 4 yard run’s part of your highlight reel.
How about when the end of your highlight video only spurs two suggestions from YouTube, and neither of them is football highlights?
Lifelong Philly fan (all sports) living here in Brunswick, Maine, home of my alma mater. Speaking of maters, Bruce’s mom and dad will be joining my friend Steve (grew up in Chester) and me as the only Eagles’ fans in the Pine State.
I grew up just down 295 in Yarmouth, home of the Clam Festival (Philly phandom courtesy of my dad). Dirigo!
Very cool, Baloophi. Best festival (of its kind) in Maine. I drove my fire engine red 2002 Tacoma in the parade two years ago. Do you consider it a blessing or a curse that you dad imbued you with Philly phantom? And, yes, Dirigo, indeed! Onward and upward!
No, I’m here in Maine as well, so there there’s at least one more. I’m a huge fan of getting Bruce, think he’ll make the final 53.
Where in Maine? To Bruce, I think center is one position that a small school player can fill adeptly. As we all know, the position isn’t highly valued in the draft. I like Tommy’s evaluation and enthusiasm for him.
We’re in Dexter, right on Wassookeag lake. Yeah i agree with your thoughts on the center position. he has a good chance of being a backup for G/C.
I was born in Brunswick!
What? Do we know each other? Navy brat?
Pops flew P3s. I was only there 10 months before he was discharged.
Great place to live. Miss the base and the P3’s warming up to take off for deployments. But the conversion of the base to civilian use has been a godsend for our town.
Fear not! You aren’t alone up there! My family started out in Pa & South Jersey but have been infiltrating the far northeast since the 70’s. Including Maine. I lived there until 2011 & still have family in Bangor, Old Town, Patton & Presque Isle. Every one of them rocking Eagles Jerseys on Sundays, too! :~)
That is very comforting to know B & I. We noble few should gather at a sports pub sometime and suffer through an Iggs game as family.
Now that is a fantastic, and highly doable, idea. Sounds great to me!
RE: Bruce Johnson – “…drive him through the earth until the dude is in China.”
If Bruce is going to do that, he’s going to have to make a few turns in the crust. According to science, the location directly opposite any point on the earth is called an “antipodes.” Assuming half of his games were played in Orono, Maine (home of the Black Bears), if Bruce drove his man directly through the earth they would most likely surface in the South Indian Ocean, roughly 600 miles southwest of Perth, Australia.
Should Bruce make the team and one day drive Maliek Collins, Matt Ionnidis, and / or Louis Nix through the earth, he would surface once again somewhere in the Southern Indian Ocean, whether he started in Philly or in one of the cesspools our divisional rivals call home. In fact, were Bruce to drive an opponent through the earth at ANY NFL stadium (and even the British locations and Mexico City), he’d still pop up somewhere in the Indian Ocean. Hey, maybe he’ll find that missing Malaysian Airlines plane!
Now if we were to flip the “all the way to China” adage on its head and Bruce were to start in, say, Beijing’s National Stadium and drive his guy through the earth, he would surface in a field just north of the San Matias Gulf in Argentina – not far from where conspiracy theorists believe Hitler disembarked a submarine after staging his death and fleeing Germany. Maybe Bruce can look into that mystery, too.
Brilliant! Thank you for improving my quality of life, sir.
Something else that is interesting Tommy is that Bruce Johnson had a higher SPARQ score than any offensive lineman that was drafted! He also has 35+ inch arms which is crazy for a 6’2″ center. He has longer arms than Tunsil, Decker, Conklin, and Spriggs who all range from 6’5″ to 6’7″. Thank you for bringing him to our attention.
50 of these guys made NFL rosters last year. If one or two make ours, it’ll be a fun story.
If 50 UDFA make the NFL, odds say at least one of these guys will make it. Given the way the Eagles draft went -lots of late picks, few “roster lock” picks I’d say the chances are very good 2 or 3 three of these players make the team.
Think a LB might make it if they show something – we lack depth at WLB/MLB so if someone shows something and plays well on teams they have a chance. We do not have a young WR to develop so a guy might make it at as the 6th WR if they show potential. DT will be in flux with scheme change so a DT might make it onto the roster if guys struggle in that change.
So those are the available ‘spots’ and i imagine that Bruce Johnson has a chance just because looking at his measurables, honors and his highlights that he was not drafted.
From one of our own – so who is getting cut?
https://twitter.com/igglesnut/status/726894627626868736
what’s the deadline to meet the roster maximum?
Right now the draftees and UDFAs are just promised to us. I don’t remember at point in time where we are allowed to be over 90 actually contracted guys. I think as guys officially sign others have to be cut.
from what I can find on quick searches — teams must “open camp” with 90. Couldn’t find anywhere that says only 90 on contract or 90 by rookie camp. I didn’t dig deep – but from what I read on bleeding green nation and huffinpost – you open camp with 90 and nothing about only 90 under contract prior to camp. Interesting to see what happens. Obviously cuts have to happen, just don’t know when.
still mixed feelings about all of this..When CK was here everyone got out pitch forks and torches with all the rumors of moving up to get Mariota. Way back then, no QB was worth that kind of move. This year – two teams did it and are being applauded for moving up to get lesser quality QB’s.
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This year, depending on ESPN or NFL Network, Cleveland did not make the right move. They can not get their franchise QB right and should have stayed at 2. You flip to the other channel and they say Cleveland made the right move and the Eagles gave up way too much. Bottom line is nobody knows.
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I was all in for CK to move up, so I’m all in for Wentz. Learning though, the move really sux when it comes to the draft. This year was boring, next year, no number 1 — boring again. Have to pray FA works. Getting and grooming young talent, aside from QB, is going to be tough for a few years….
I think everyone agrees we need a great QB to be great.
Last year, many people were against moving up because they thought we might have one in Bradford (and people feared Chip’s disinterest in getting fair value).
This year, the people who are still behind Bradford are fewer. Those people seemed to still be opposed to the trade up.
Of course, if Wentz doesn’t work out, everyone will be against the trade posthumously.
“This year, the people who are still behind Bradford are fewer.”
As a person who believed in Sam’s skill set and wanted to see him get a legitimate chance to succeed this year, I don’t think anyone is standing behind Bradford anymore, including me.
I think those that are still against the trade for Wentz, tend to devalue the QB position in general.
I still prefer seeing Bradford start at QB for us instead of the rookie, especially enough to not accept some crappy lowball offer for Sam.. If we can’t get any legit value for him now, build up his value and trade him next year
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I’d love to find out that Wentz is some QB prodigy Savant that improves faster than we could have imagined, but we can’t assume that, so I still value having Sam here, and while his agent said a lot of crap that I hate to hear. So far no harm no foul. If him feeling betrayed only causes him to miss a week or two in april/early May, no big deal. I don’t like hearing an eagle take that stance at all, I think his agent has given him some poor advice that won’t get SAM what he wants..but if he comes back sometime in next 7 days, I’ll get over it…. However, if he continues this crap up until June, and doesn’t come in until it’s mandatory, im going to be pissed Especially because it benefits No ONE..
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Sitting out the entire month of May will not bring him the trade he was looking for. So there is no reason for it, and nothing to gain. If anything he is giving a rookie more reps than he would be getting, when he should be focused on doing everything he has to do to keep the rookie on the bench… bradford HASNT had a healthy offseason in years, we need him to learn a new offense, and he needs to learn the offense and put himself in position to have the best season of his career. Since it seems like the NFL Is done allowing him to get by on Potential and he finds himself for the first time having a legit threat on his heels and having to produce if he wants to be a starting QB for someone past this season
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Im going to start getting really pissed if he wastes the entire month of May in Oklahoma simply because he has nothing to gain by it, he has to be smarter than that, regardless what his agent tells him. His agent has made him look bad enough already, keep this crap up, and he risks starting to look bad in the eyes of other franchises who he has to addittion for this season
Chip would have given up so much more in a Mariota trade,.. This draft was rough, but after that we only lose one pick next year and one the following year… I didn’t want the Eagles to trade up, a lot of it is because I expected to have to give up more than we lost.
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HOWIE is right about this being a unique opportunity. Not only were the top teams willing to trade away their picks and let other teams move up for QB, but just as important Roseman found a good opportunity to spread the compensation over the course of 3’drafts instead of 2 drafts which would have hurt much more.
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Of course This will all come down to Wentz.. If he becomes a franchise QB it will have been worthwhile, if he busts it will go down with 2011 as a draft disaster
I think Cleveland figures let’s get a bunch of picks, and we will still suck next year and can get the QB then. It’s not a bad idea for them.
Eventually they’ll get good and that strategy will backfire.
That’s gambling on a lot: how many potential-franchise QB’s are in the draft, how many other desperate teams need a QB, and whether or not the top 1 or 2 teams needs a QB themselves…
we said the same thing last year and the year before.
I like their entire blueprint this offseason for the Browns, but IMO they have been blowing the most important part, Player Evaluation..Rg3? A weak arm USC QB to play in Cleveland weather? I really don’t like Dodd!… But I could be wrong, and maybe they prove that they nailed the player evaluation part too..,, either way, I applaud them for their plan this offseason, but agree with Roseman that it provided a unique opportunity for us
I think Cleveland improved their depth alot. If everything breaks right I think they got maybe 5 starters, but honestly looking at their haul, it’s alot of meh.
agreed. to put it short and (not so) sweet — their game plan is to throw shit against the wall and see what sticks…they may have more rookies make their team than most teams draft picks…lol
College production is undervalued seems like a weird bet to make.
oh I thought they were terrible, taking USC QB and didnt they take like 5 WRs in a weak WR class. You go Cleveland. I was really interested in their money ball approach in football. Then they made too many picks based on college stats instead of projection it sounded like.
Totally agree… For a team with so many picks, I think they had a horrible draft. Im sure they upgraded a few spots which isn’t that hard to do when you are by far the least talented roster in the NFL, but I expected them to have a much better draft than what they ended up with.
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I like The Wr from Baylor, but I thought Dodd was one of the most over rated players that was talked about as a first round prospect, and I don’t even like him at beginning of round 2..
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With all those Damn picks, how do you not take a flier on some of premier risky talent like Jack or Jaylon?
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And I have no idea WTF they are thinking when it comes to QB with RG3 and a kid with a MIKE Kafka arm drafted to play in extreme weather like Cleveland? Cardale jones sucks, but at least he has the arm strength to even have a shot of playing in the elements of a city like Buffalo… Getting tired of how cocky Hue Jackson is, with all the “Trust me” talk, and the “we aren’t like every other team” talk..trying to rub it in EVERYONEs face about how they have a unique and better way of doing things. Hue Jackson was a quality coach I respected but its rubbing me the wrong way how cocky he is acting this offseason.
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For the most part, I actually agree with their plan for this offseason, and I think the patient rebuild is something I trust more than any off the past Browns regime. There is a lot about their blueprint for this offseason that I really do like:
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I pretty much like their entire plan, but then they get to the player Evaluation part, and they have mostly botched it in my opinion… And no matter how great your plan is, if you botch The player Evaluation aspect of the plan, the rest is irrelevant… I could be wrong and the kids they drafted could prove to be brilliant picks for all I know, but there were only 1 or two times during this draft when I really loved their pick, and it should have been more frequent considering how many damn picks they had… Where as some other franchises really blew me away with how many quality picks they made…. But Maybe the New Browns really do know better than everyone else and end up proving to be masterful at player evaluations, but I expected them to have one of the very best drafts, and I was surprised at how dissapointing it looks to me.. I don’t love the Titans draft either.
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IMO a lot of teams were able to do much more with less this weekend than what the Titans and Browns were able to accomplish.
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Another sneaky quality draft for the Bengals,
Texans
Redskins
Obviously the Jags killed it
arizona
Seattle got two young beast DTs
raiders
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i would rank Browns and Titans as one of the 10 worst drafts this year, but you never know, maybe they prove to have had a brilliant draft.. But with all the draft picks they had, 5 years from now this could look a disaster draft for them if this draft wasnt a success, and it has a chance to be epically bad if Wentz ends up being as good as the Eagles think
A 295lb TE who isn’t converting to OL? Why stop there? Might as well supersize the beef and go with 400lb McGowan
can the big meanie from Maine play Guard?
Hey, Gian, Paul Bunyan is our patron saint, so, yes, nasty rattler can guard, tackle and center…all at the same time!
Works for me…
Shut the fuck upppppppo
Flagged.
Fag away.
https://youtu.be/QA1CLzZoCsw
Watched this last night.
Positives : incredibly accurate and th ball has tons of velocity. Keeps plays alive always looks down field. Reminds my of a slow Mike Vick with a much more accurate arm and he is tall
Negatives : he can be careless holding the vakk. Lots of fumbles. . He tries to run people over. This will get him killed in the nfl.
They should be able to get him to stop trying to run dudes over and protect the ball bette
Overall I think he it gonna be good any i am going to jump in any get a Wentz jersey
you have been SO NEGATIVE in the past… I don’t think your going to do well as a positive poster.. just my thoughts.. have a good run tho if you can.
I don’t give a fuck about you. Don’t respond to my posts. Fuck you.
that’s better. Give in to the dark side.
there it is!
Welp, 2 hours, huh? The road back from Trollsylvania is much longer if you keep ducking back under every bridge you come across.
He could also be from:
Trollsburgh, Trollston, Trollin Park, Trollington, Trollsville, Trolladelphia, Trollianapolis, Trollas, Los Trollangeles, Trolland, among others.
This nigga…
I regret that I can only flag this once.
Dude the comedian said it about Obama as the white house press dibner. If you can call the president that then you can call anyone that
You are going to have a long road back from Trollandia, but this is a good first step. I laughed at the comparison to Mike Vick, except for the speed, size, and inaccuracy. That doesn’t leave much Vickness.
The way he runs is similar to Vick.
Probably better to just re-roll a new name if you want to make good thoughtful posts, like this one.
Don’t respond to my posts. Your a fucking pussy. I will kick your ass day in and day out you faqqot lover
*you’re
Oh, also, flagged.
Fag away
Eagles didn’t draft you in the 5th round did they?
Dallas had Lynch as their 12th overall player on their board.
Dak Prescott Probably doesn’t feel too good having to hear Jerruh not shut up about how he should have traded more to get Lynch
if hes that high up they should have made the trade.. glad they took jaylon WAY to high tho..
I am still surprised that Lynch did not go earlier – was sure that some teams would have him rated along those lines and so would have traded up to the late teens for him.
This draft comes down to one prospect in Carson Wentz. It would also help if one or two other draftees pan out but really that doesn’t matter. In order for this draft to be successful is that Wentz gets us to the promise land and eventually win one, otherwise a bust in my eyes with so such mortgaged on him. Thanks Tommy for such great insights and depth on players.
The WVU rb looks like a keeper
He looks sharp and some good value maybe earning a spot on the roster.
Yeah man. Illiterate bigot that hates Philly. Looks very promising.
He was 17 years old. . And there’s nothing wrong with not liking fags.
If you were to go fuck yourself what would that make you?
A child molester, I think.
Fagged
Nothing wrong with lacking the brain cells to dig a ditch either, but doesn’t mean I want that posting on my fav Eagle site.
That’s a little bit extreme, seeing as the expected value of those picks had we kept them is in no way a superbowl victory. This guy needs to be a franchise qb that gives us a shot for a decade, that much is true. But the dude can be Dan Marino and not get a SB, and that would be a brilliant pick
It’s ok he is gonna win 3.
It’s definitely extreme, but realistically you would be happy with a Dan Marino type a.k.a. McNabb success but no rings? I see your point but this fan base needs a ring.
Anyone else already really dislike this RB?
Ok, whats the deal with this guy again? He said some mean things about Philadelphia in the past?
Yeah when he was 17-18 he tweeted some pretty stupid stuff – although it all lacks context since he was tweeting to like 6-7 followers who were his friends. The Philly stuff is nothing to me – screw it i have cursed this city and team plenty of times when they piss me off or do something stupid… but i do that because i love both and am deeply passionate. That stuff means nothing really. The homophobic stuff is more concerning but lets be real 2010 to 2016 has seen a lot of changes and there is a bit more awareness that ‘gay’ is not a term people should be using in a negative context on social media…. few years ago seemed not so much.
The murder case i have no idea about the actual story but it does seem that he has put that in the past and is a team leader. Think the whole situation is blown out of the water for the poor kid and i felt his press conference was a travesty – kid was excited to be an Eagle drove down to the team immediately and then got rosted by our beat reporters having done 2 minutes of wiki research and looking at some retweets.
I probabaly would have tweeted some dumb things too when I was younger. I read he deleted his twitter account after he was drafted. All we can hope for is for him to have a good locker room mentor and produce a bit on the field. Hes a 5th so low risk medium reward
He’s a junior. Tons of uoseide. Lines up at WR a lot. He gonna be good. Mark my words
Hey remember how you were gone because you said Sam Bradford wasn’t going to be on the roster?
That was fun.
Then again that would require you to have any consistency or character.
Yeah nobody had the balls to bet ne. Your loss
Several people did
Show me the post. Nobody did
remember when you bet that KC would win the super bowl?
I beat you then.
I don’t even know who you are
Sorry.
Here you go:
Nice paint shop
You used that one already.
A high school kid tweeting dumb stuff doesn’t bother me, especially since he was basically having a conversation with friends. The real question is how is his agent so incompetent not to go through his tweets when he declared and signed on?
The criminal stuff is more concerning, but we will see if he has grown up.
The criminal thing is hard to evaluate; at first blush to me, it looks like the prosecutors used it as leverage to ensure his cooperation. Whether they had a legitimate case to back up the charge is a whole different question. Would assume the team dug into the stories involved to get a better feel for just how culpable he might have been.
Each one taken individually is no big deal. All of it adds up to what seems like a big ole douche to me.
There’s that, and then there’s the story about him leaning on a murder witness to recant testimony against his friend. Talented kid that seems like a real dumbass.
Though if you’re going to draft a fucking idiot like that, I’m glad it’s at running back where they’re statistically easier to replace.
Nope just you. Watch the game tape.
Until there’s a major incident if there is as an Eagle, it’s ok. We put up with Shady. I don’t care about the Philly stuff. When I first heard there were bad tweets I thought it would be much worse stuff. He’s a 5th round pick. It also may mean we’re still in the market for a RB in future.
I mean Shady seemed like a really genuinely good dude that just got corrupted my money. That was the take I had. This guy is already a public ass.
Shady assaults women and beats up cops. Yea, good dude
How much of that was before we drafted him? What charges have been brought against him?
Never said he wasn’t a piece now. Just that he didn’t seem like it before.
Who the fukc cares. They are football pkayers. Go to church if you seek christ
The GF stuff might have been before, but I don’t remember. Uktimately we don’t know what we’re getting from anyone. Tweets are stupid and it was from HS.
Sounds as if he’s been a stand up guy since the alleged witness incident. So not really like there is a history of drugs, abuse, violence, etc.
Itbwas witness tampering in a secobd degree murder case. He told someone dude don’t testify against Chris and the feds used that charge to get his friend Chris to okead. Really no bud deal at all
The key difference is level of media attention.
Don’t forget, very bad tipper.
He was corrupted by ego/spotlight more than money. Like so many of these fools are.
Ray Lewis killed someone. Would you being the obvious pussy that you are not want him on your football team?
I don’t really care for the tape, and really don’t love the off field stuff.
What don’t you care for about re the tape?
He has good vision, finds creases, gets upfield. Feels like he’ll be a good system RB.
He looked pretty good in the Oklahoma game, that’s for sure. Based on that game alone, I would have thought he would have gone higher.
Average vision, can’t break tackles, average athlete. I mean he’ll make the team and get carries, he’s just a dime a dozen back.
One thing he has going for him now that the past is behind him, is that past.. Wilmington is a TOUGH city to grow up in.. I’m surprised he only had that on his record…. lots of crime, high murder rate, gangs and drugs (heroin) everywhere… Shots being fired every day generally with a homicide… I know hes got a checkered past but he seems to have really owned it in the presser and realizes he was in a bad situation.
Glad he got himself out of it and is doing well for himself. Hope he thrives in our system as well!
yeah, he handled that press Confrence well. It is a little worrisome that he now plays for a team that’s so close to the knucklheads he grew up around, which probably means that we had to really do our homework on that kid and have to be extra comfortable with the man that he has grown into to make us ok with drafting him to play so close to home.
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But some kids do learn and grow from past mistakes. Hopefully this young man becomes one of the success stories. Young men like Wendell and Mills paid for their past mistakes on draft night, losing a lot of money falling in the draft. That should be a rude awakening for these kids. I like that we have a guy like Duce Staley who he looked up to, and that we have Sproles who is known to be a class act with a world class work ethic to set an example for the kid.
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Mills probably cost himself even more money on draft night. Fortunately we have such a classy and respected veteran leader in Malcolm Jenkins at his position who we can count on to take the young man under his wing. We also have Bennie Logan who was one of Mills “Old Heads” at LSU, and Logan is known for being a class act.
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The kid from Florida allegedly didnt have legal issues, but obviously he did something wrong.. Again, he is a player drafted at a position that has some serious veteran leadership in place like Barwin, BG, Curry in place to help raise this puppy the Right way.
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We been prioritizing Choir boys for years now. If we have so much leadership in place already, we might as well take advantage of it and start using classy respected veteran leaders like Sproles, Barwin, Jenkins to mentor some of These kids..it’s also good that the kids with a checkered past are really only being drafted to the position groups that have quality veterans in place.. I
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It’s not like we are adding Kids with behavior issues at positions like WR or LB where we only have a bunch of young kids at Those position groups. We took fliers on kids at positions where we have guys in place that can be counted on to help mentor them… Andy always did a pretty good job giving kids a second chance and managing them and growing them into men who generally have learned from their past mistakes. Hopefully Pederson, schwartz and the staff can prove to have a similar touch that Papa Bear Andy had for these sort of things
Let him produce and accumulate concussiona/CTE unless he demonstrates consistent character alterations. Use/abuse him. Karma can work in our favor. Life is complex.
Trying to get a gif in here.
Speaking of Smallwood — looks like WVU had a beastly O-line, also looks like a chip kelly running back. Wodner if he’s better than Barner
What chip kelly running back lines up as a WR? Demarco fucking Murray??? . Go watch the tape because obviously you didn’t.
Smallwood will be the starting RB on this team
Does anybody worry that the Redskins now increasingly appear to have a very competent GM/front office who finally has actual approval on the roster instead of Snyder or one of Snyder’s cronies?
Yeah they are likely limited with a strict ceiling because of what Cousins can do (feel about them like I did when Pennington was the Jets’ QB in the early 00s – a legit playoff contender but a 1 and done team in the playoffs) but I don’t see them slipping back to 6-10/7-9 unless Cousins goes down for an extended stretch. I see them a 9 or 10-win team right now.
I really liked their draft. The Norman pick-up I think might backfire as I don’t think they play a lot of zone, which C is where Norman thrives. But yes, I don’t really see them as the Dan Snyder joke anymore with McCliughan
I did too. They did do anything really splashy but made a bunch of picks that should incrementally add to their roster this year.
Boys will be the prohibitive favorites to win the NFC East this year with some people picking the Giants. I like the chances of the Skins probably a lot more than most people to repeat as division champs. No NFC East team has done that since the Eagles either over a decade ago. It has been a division that has been in annual flux.
Cowboys way overrated IMO, though I think they’ll be better
There has to be some sort of derivative or formula to calculate Cowboys success depending on hype. Almost seems like the more hype they have the worse they do.
The boys season will rest on health of Tony and the Defense…same as every year.
Its Romo. What are the odds he plays 16 games next year and is 100% healthy come playoff time next year? 20-25%?
zeke is a huge upgrade on rb they had last year.
Which is scary considering McFadden led NFL in 100+ yard rushing games
Probably. He’s broken his collarbone like 3-4 times now.
I actually miss the days when the NFCE was considered the best division in football (even though it really wasn’t). If the division gets really good and we can manage to make the playoffs within it, we are better for it.
It is poised to be the best it has been in several years. Don’t see both wildcards coming out of the NFC East but I could see the Giants/Boys/Skins winning at least 9+ and two teams in double-digits this year.
I see the Eagles going 2-4 in the NFC East right now and getting swept one of these teams.
Its hard for me to judge this team with a new staff. My initial feeling is that I wan’t to disagree, but I can’t right yet.
it wasn’t when they produced the SB winner like every year for a decade?
They were pretty badass in the Gibbs, LT/Simms, Dallas Triplets days.
I meant early 2000s… your talking well before my time of understanding what the heck was going on in the world.
Yeah i totally agree, solid team, but Cousins isn’t good enough.
http://www.nfl.com/player/kirkcousins/2532820/careerstats Check out these stats from last year, he was pretty good, honestly.
Kirk Cousins is the kind of quarterback that gives you a shot at the playoffs every year, but is never good enough to carry you to the big game.
Better than what the Eagles have now, unfortunately.
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That’s not a high standard.
Good stats against bad teams. Skins didn’t beat a team with a winning record.
hmmm good point, I guess we’ll find out this year.
Cousins was 7th in production, 6th in efficiency according to DVOA last year, right up there with the big names. “Elite”. Let’s hope he can’t keep it up 🙂
All the hype being said, Redskins didn’t beat a team with a winning record last year. Lets see how they do with a first place schedule this year.
Very true, and they are being a little over hyped but I do respect them as our toughest competition in the division this year…
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I don’t buy QB Kool aid after only 1 solid season… Cousins has a lot more to prove as far as I’m concerned, but I have to admit that there GM is doing a better job than any of his recent predecessors.
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Think the Division will come down between the Bradford Eagles and the Skins.
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Cowboys will be in the mix until romo gets hurt.
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Giants are easily The worst team in the division, and I won’t be worrying about that Franchise until they fire their joke of GM… How THAT franchise dares not invest in any OL during this draft is something I can’t even comprehend.. They got a bunch of shiney new offensive toys to play with, but they have done nothing to try and put an end to their OL getting dominated by the Eagles front 7 the past few years..what good are weapons when you cant hold up in the trenches? Nothing they did in free agency or The draft gives them any chance of breaking the recent trend of getting its ass kicked by the Eagles DL.. I don’t see why they would expect different results asking their OL to hold up against Cox and the boys..
Yeah, McCloughan is making a difference. His approach, which is gradually increasing physical and mental toughness of the team through the draft, will test Dan Snyder’s patience, and I won’t be surprised if, in 2 or 3 years, he cans McCloughan for impersonating a snail.
Now that the draft is over I think I’m going to be taking a break from this place for a little while. Some of the disgusting homophobic garbage being thrown around in this post with absolutely nothing being done about it is not something I feel like subjecting myself to.
What are you a queer?
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You can’t ignore one troll?
Shut up nigga
you bitchmade bruh
You niggamade
I admit it… Gay people scare me. I don’t want their cooties rubbing off on me.
Give a 12 year old wifi access in school….
You know he loves that you’re talking about him.
I laugh at how i get this whole board talking about me. It’s freaking hilarious. You chumps are way too easy
you are so over the top, why cant you just enjoy the blog and contribute with regular FAN enthusiasm ..
I’m glad your finally admitting you’re a troll though.. kudos to you sir or madam for outing yourself as a Homophobic person & an Internet Troll all in about an hr or less..
Tommy can you do us all a favor.. Please and thank you!
Perhaps later in life, you will look back on this time as your “dark period”, and lament the wasted energy you spent desperately seeking reaction and validation from others. Perhaps you will regret that you did not spend more time dealing with the fears that keep you up at night, that you frantically attempt to cover up and push aside, that you try so hard to run from that you don’t realize that they are controlling you.
I am so scared of a queer dude sticking his Johnson up my rectum!!! That’s my fear!!! I fear the gays!!
Here’s my profound draft thought of the day: This draft hinges on Carson Wentz. Yeah hows that for a hot take.
Looks like you’re ready to go on ESPN.
On the ridiculousness of draft grades:
Just went and looked at some grades given right after the 2011 draft:
Bleacher Report gave the Seahawks an F for a draft that netted them Kam Chancellor and Richard Sherman. The Eagles received a B+, Jaiquan Jarrett was seen as a good pick.The guy who gave the grades did get some things right – like predicting Christian Ponder and Blaine Gabbert would be busts. But it really does go to show the silliness of the process.
People eat it up though, prognostication gives people something to chew on in the offseason.
That was a hell of a draft by the Seahawks though huh?
Yeah totally. 2012 draft was great too, although mainly for Russell Wilson.
Interesting thing about their current team is how few of their key players were high draft picks. Lots of late round picks, UFDAs in key roles on that team.
UFDAs include Michael Bennett, Doug Baldwin, Thomas Rawls alone
Michael Bennet? He was a FA, I believe signed from Tampa.
oh right true, but he was a UFDA when he came out of college
Was an udfa for the seahawks then waived and went to the bucs
So what if sports writers apply a harmless grade to a draft? It is there just to cover teams, give their thoughts, and drive discussion.
I really don’t see what the big deal is since it is just largely idle chatter. Need something to do because there is a real dead time until training camp starts.
yeah fair enough, don’t think fans should get hung up and slam team as a result. Got to let it play out on the field.
Yeah, but you can only judge based on the information you have, not hindsight. It’s fine as long you don’t take them too seriously.
We extended Lane earlier this off-season right? Poor memory and all, but the 5th year option hubbub today got me wondering
Yessir
Thank you, too many moves this off-season to keep track of them all
Oh yeah….it was one of our 1st moves too. Way back in January. Link….http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/transactions.html
Anyone else kind of glad the Eagles went away from the choir boy act and got some nasty dudes? I am at least.
Also, can we all please agree to just minimize and ignore the troll? No need to egg him on, or respond to him. Minimize his posts, ignore him, or if you really feel like it flag his posts.
What troll?
Hey man if you like gay bashers that makes you cool in my book
I don’t like taking extra risks (Charecheter/injuries) with premier picks, but I LOVE that they are using 7th round picks to take fliers on quality prospects who only lasted Til round 7 because of past mistakes… Out of our 3 late picks with CHARECHTER questions, if only 1 ends up being a starting caliber NFL player it will have been worth while..
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Every year you hear GMs claim that they had higher round grades on the kids they took in round 7, but in our case THIS YEAR, that is a fact…. Be great if Mills, Alex and Wendell all go on to have a future contributing on the field for us, but if just one of them ends up being a legit steal it will have been worth while.
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I would think that generally there is a big difference in taleng between a 7th round choir boy and a kid who is only available in round 7 because of past mistakes.
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And ESPECIALLY THIS YEAR it was important to swing for the fences in round 7 because we didn’t have many early round picks… Normally if you don’t end up with NFL players out of late round picks, no big deal but we had to take risks trying to compensate for lack of early round draft picks
Yeah, I bought into his actual post and got drawn into an exchange. I’ve recovered my senses now. Sorry everybody.
This is a false dichotomy. You can be a tough player on the field and not be a piece of shit off of it.
I want to thank you. And you and you and you. I have a probkem. Because of my insecurities and my fear that homos in existence will in and of itself make me gayi want to thank you. Because of those fears of gays I then troll Internet message boards. I want to thank all of you for helping me to realize where the enjoyment of being a troll came from. In order to make myself better and not enjoy pissing you all there fuck off so much i have decided to become a homo cock sucker. From now on in order to cut down on my posts i am going to watch gay porn at night and masturbate to it. . Hopefully this cuts down on me pissing you the fuck off so nuch. Thank you again.
A little satire in the spirit of the day…
https://youtu.be/s7YW045deBY
Eagles release safety Jerome Couplin
damn that was fast.
Probably stepped on Wentz’s foot.
Given the number of UDFAs we signed, there must be more coming.
Good… He was hyped as a promising young Safety, but I never saw a hint of that since he has been in Philly, and he wasnt a difference maker on Special teams, so I really don’t see much a point continuing to waste a roster spot on him.
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I want to keep Maragos and Braman as our ST captains, and Reynolds has shown more promise than Couplin, so his roster spot should be spent seeing how much another young safety can grow over the course of a season.. I assume Jalen Mills will probably start his career as a safety(on the depth chart)… jenkins, McLeod, Maragos. Reynolds, Mills are probably going to be our safeties this year unless another kid can take Reynolds or Mills spot,..
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Wonder if Couplin even showed enough to make chip want to pick him up
I think you, or the team, spelled “Barner” incorrectly.
Kind of hoping he would be healthy this year and get a shot. He showed up a few times on ST last year. Never was healthy to do anything.
The Miami Herald reports the Dolphins “loved” what they saw from MLB Kiko Alonso in voluntary practice.
Per reporter Adam Beasley, Alonso was “fast and agile,” and “exceeded all expectations.” Going on 26, Alonso had a scintillating rookie season, but has been slowed by ACL issues ever since. He’s a high-end playmaker when right, but has reached “believe it when you see it” status with his health.
Yep, fast and agile right out of the play. Sounds right.
Does Miami run a 4-3?
Shouldn’t be that big of a surprise if he proves to look much better now that he is two years removed from his injury compared to how he looked last year.
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Seems like our DC never particular LOVED him for Schwartz defense to begin with. Because he was signed to a cheap contract, I really would have preffered holding onto Kiko one more year before we quit on him just to see the difference being another year removed from the injury could make, but if Wentz ends up leading us for 10 plus years it will have been worthwhile. But we didn’t give him up, and we got plenty of value in return for him, moving up to #8 and getying Maxwells contract off the books so that we could invest that money into playërs like big Brooks and McLeod. For us, Maxwell was a total Cal dump, so we had to give up something we valued in that trade… But he is the one player we got rid of this offseason that I really would have loved to keep for another year
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KIKO absolutely sucked last year, but I don’t think eagle fans treated him fairly. I really blame Chip and Billy because they should have never put him on the field last year considering how bad he looked both physically and mentally. It was crystal clear that he was playing without trusting his knee, no reason they should have kept playing him. He should have been shut down for the entire season.
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he is in the AFC now, so I wish him the best and hope he gets back to being the player his injuries robbed him of being..
ya Ill believe it when I see it also. He just looks so small out there. Gotta some nice picks early in rookie year but not sure about the rest of his game
NGL I didn’t really want to see him go of everyone we got rid of, because he was on a rookie deal. It took getting rid of him for us to get Wentz, so it was worth it.
If Jim liked the guy he would be here. Plain and simple.
Coach Schwartz doesn’t like coaching eunuchs.
Good luck with that Miami.
Not surprised at all. Wouldnt shock me ifit came out that Alonso was a little difficult for Howie to give up. I know it was only 1 play followed by ALOT of bad ones, but that INT against ATL was insane. The kid was still clearly injured or having trouble getting over his injury when he returned to play with us.
If he is healthy i believe he can really ball.
Get it done Howie!
https://twitter.com/RcpSheet/status/727214211328282625
How many times have we heard they are imminent on this deal? I guess the guaranteed $$$ is higher this time.
Well it’s almost always a fake account….
This one is a fake account as well it seems.
True. Like this one.
Yeah but it will most likely be done soon, we don’t want him missing too much of The offseason and they Probably had to take a break for a week of two to really focus completely on the draft.
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I’ll be surprised if he doesn’t sigÅ„ a new deal by May 14th.,. I assume getting that deal done is now back at the very top of the to do list now that the draft is behind us
Fake account
Yup, fooled the Philly media that retweeted it and in return fooled me too.
Hillary for President!!
Fake Twitter below but still… the longer Cox goes w/out contract the more uneasy I get. I’m sure it will still get done but… I want it to get done.
No one talking about fact that cox has no deal and isn’t at OTAs.
Cox ain’t getting a new contract. They will used the franchise tag on him and won’t resign him til the last possible second. He wants top dollar and there is no advantage for the eagles to assume top dollar risk.
I’m not sure if I sing right away if I’m Cox. I might want to see what Mo Wilkerson gets first.
I’m not if this is out there, but does anyone know of a good place to get some details on the offense Pederson ran for Reid in kc? There’s been so much great film breakdown over the last few years of Kelly’s offense, and going deep in the film with descriptions brought football to another level for me. We never had anything like this when Reid was around, and it sure looks like his offense has changed with the times anyway.
Thanks in advance if you know of anything!
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/
You can search the site or contact the writers to see if they could point you in the right direction for any all-22 breakdowns of the Chiefs 2015 season.
Be cognizant that their offense was catered to Alex Smith and consisted if a lot of short routes and check downs as he is a true game manager.
Yeah Wentz has much more of an arm than Alex Smith, I wonder if our O is going to be more vertical.
they’ve added a couple of speedy receivers and got a qb with an arm so got to think yes.
“More of an arm than Alex Smith” is an understatement according to the Eagles opinion of Wentz. They have been Raving about seeing his arm strength in person and how much velocity the ball comes out with to the extent that some claim there hasn’t been a cannon like Wentz at the combine since Matt Stafford who is in the top 3percentile when it comes to the biggest arms in the league..
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roseman also doubled down on that in his interview with Gargano this morning talking about having the arm to play in our weather being something they take very serious when deciding on QBs.. Where as a team like Cleveland seemed to,disregard that completely drafting a kid that lacks that big arm to play in Cleveland weather.
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Hopefully Wentz really does have a comperable arm to Stafford, that would be awesome for us. Looking forward to seeing that arm in person at open practice and preseason This summer
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Sure hope this kid pays off for us
one thing i think i have noticed with Wentz is how easy he throws it. he does not have to look like his whole body is going into the throw to do a rope across the field to the sideline. I wonder if there is even more room to grow in terms of throwing strength if all of the QB coaches they have work on getting all of his legs into this throws. I remember Barkley looking strained to do a sideline throw, like his whole body going into a 20 yard throw.
Pederson intends to go vertical. It’s why he and Howie keep targeting WRs who can stretch the field. And Wentz has a ton more arm than Smith
You can tell it is by the WRs we have targeted recently. Add Ertz to the mix as well.
I think you are going to see a pretty different passing game with Pederson in Philly. He will still heavily use the screen game, running game will probably be the same, but with how Pederson is gunning for fast WRs i think you are going to see a much more aggressive downfield O. He has the arm strength at QB to make that work now.
Wont surprise me if the passing game resembles what Reid did in the later years of Mcnabb. Run will be more heavily utilized then with Reid.
Just checked out ye olde Chipwagon and saw an article from January that I had never seen, sadly called “Where Did It All Go Wrong?”
http://chipwagon.typepad.com/eagles/2016/01/where-did-it-all-go-wrong.html
yeah that was interesting. hilarious, the first run of murray’s in the post chip season was for 50 yards right up the middle…
Thanks for turning the knife in that old wound!
This is the type of stuff that had me screaming at the TV
“One of the obvious signals for a head coach when he gets fired is when you see a lack of execution at multiple positions or levels of the team. For the 2015 Eagles, that was the issue. You couldn’t pin their execution problems on one area and therefore it because harder to use the lack of talent excuse. The Eagles finished the 2015 season as the 3rd most penalized team in the NFL. The offensive line was particularly damning. Furthermore, the offense was tied for 2nd in the NFL with 31 turnovers on offense. They lead the league in drop %. Being top of the list in one or 2 of these categories can sometimes be explained, but if you review all the statistics that generally make a team “bad” you’ll find the Eagles were near the top of many of those lists. This was a mistake-prone team and that falls on the head coach especially if his whole offensive attack is built around “execution””
Yup. As you point out the OL wasn’t just a sieve, they were sloppy and tops in penalties. Two years running. I don’t get the Stoudtland love. Maybe he was great in college, but he hasn’t shown much in the NFL.
And to double down on the sloppy play never improving; Malcolm Jenkins called out the coaching staff for failing to consequence guys for that type of preventable bad play.
I’m still astonished the wheels came off so badly last year.
I was such a Chip fan, but when trying to figure out their early struggles last season, like this says, when there are mental lapses, sloppy play on all levels, the only conclusion was the head coach was the issue. heart vs head thing that took awhile to accept. but interesting how fast i can turn, my heart and head fully moved on and feel almost sorry for niner fans.
Can we convince Oregon Ducker to love Pederson?
No he’s a 49ers fan now.
No one really knows for sure because it’s not like Pederson is a classic system guy. The staff has experience in a ton of different systems. The three main guys who will be putting the offense together are Pederson, Reich, and Defillipo. You’ve got Reid WCO influences, RPO influences, Tom Moore influences, Air Coryell influences, K-Gun influences, ground’n’pound influences.
Run game will be combo of zone and gap schemes. I think Cincinnati and Houston are roughly good indicators of what that will look like.
roseman gave a good interview with Gargano this morning, which is worth a listen:
1) Compares Wentz arm strength to that of Stafford which if accurate is fantastic for us.
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2) Personality wise, Wentz reminds him of Brent Celek(which he talked to Brent about last week), which would also be great for us.
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3) Lack of draft picks in the Early rounds made it important that we compensate and get some real talent out of the later rounds which is why it was important to take a chance on these kids who were only available because of past mistakes.
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4) also had to try to compensate for a lack of picks by being “more aggressive than they have ever been signing UDFA’s”…. The last few weeks the Eagles have been pitching to agents and playërs how our lack of draft picks would provide Undrafted players great opportunities to make a roster and even being aggressive with the amount of money offered to a couple of them.
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5) DT was the one position they expected to address that they were dissapointed about not being able to address, with something like 25 DT’s drafted where as typically only like 17 get drafted, and that hopefully an Undrafted DT or two can end up bailing us out.
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6) continued emphatically claiming that we won’t let Cox go anywhere and that he will be an eagle for a very long time.
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7) admitted to also be worried about LB depth and durability concerns but that we weren’t going to be able to take care of all our needs This offseason, says the kid from Oregon is 6’2, pretty fast and athletic, long arms and was the Juco defensive player of the year before going to Oregon
Whether or not these strategies work, we are definitely in a hole due to the past couple years and the picks we gave up to get Wentz. Glad to see that Howie et al at least have a plan to address the unique situation they find themselves in and aren’t assuming business as usual will get the job done.
It sucks this year, but I think we will be where we need to be next year after the draft
This sign was spotted outside the Novacare Complex in memories of the great Chip Kelly era in Philly:
I’ve been told a few times that I am missing a few screws, and now I think I’m missing a link.
? Is there supposed to be an image?
Click re-fresh?
Truly gutted that I didn’t bet 100 bucks on Leicester City winning the Premier League. Could have really needed half a million $$$….
You could always bet on them being relegated next season, probly get similar odds. It could’ve happened to Chelsea this season so.. you never know.
“marcus Hayes retro draft”
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#13 Paxton Lynch
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#77 Isaac Semaulo
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#79 Braxton Miller
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#100 Sheldon Day
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Wendell Smallwood
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big V
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Countess
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Alex McCalister
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jalen Mills
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Oregon LB
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meh!.. I would have loved to see us add Sheldon Day at #100… But I’d rather have Wentz than Lynch and Braxton Miller..
If we kept all of our picks I would hope we end up with a better back than Smallwood
One, nah, two trillion down votes for citing that guy.
K apologize for the gross understatement.
Released WR Freddie Martino to go along with Couplin
“Wants to put the guy on the ground and drive him through the earth until the dude is in China.”
Now one of my favorite Eagles.
This is early, but why the F not.
53 man roster projection.
O – (25)
QB (3) – Bradford, Daniel, Wentz
RB (3) – Mathews, Sproles, Smallwood
FB (1) – Mueller
TE (3) – Ertz, Burton, Celek
OL (10) – Peters, Johnson, Kelce, Brooks, Wisiewski, Kelly, Seumalo, Bunche, HPV, Gardner)
WR (5) – Matthes, Agholor, Huff, Randle, Givins
Special Teams Dudes (3)
LS/K/P (3) – DePalma, Parkey, Jones
D-Line (10) – Graham, Barwin, Curry, Smith II, Braman, Martin, Cox, Logan, Raciti, Destiny
LB – (6) – Kendricks, Hicks, Bradham, Goode, Hepburn, Walker
DBs (9) – Rowe, Carroll, Shepherd, McKelvin, Brooks, Jenkins, McCloud, Maragos, Mills,
P-squad – Countess, McCalister, Monghai, Boyko, Johnson (UDFA center from Maine), Marshall (UDFA Oregon), Rice, Greene (UDFA G San Diego State), Gordon (UDFA “TE” LSU, and somebody random.
Awww you forgot everyone’s favorite player Kenjon Barner… 🙂
Tommy has me excited to watch this kid Johnson in camp.
The UDFA guys are always tantalizing, but only one or two of them usually make teams.
Babre just an outright cut might be aggressive. I hope he doesn’t start but I think he makes the team – probably for Bunche since Isaac and wiz are C.
Barbre let too many d-linemen get aggressive with our QBs and RBs last year; I’m in no mood to see him back.
I only put in Bunche over Barbre because of some stuff the writers were putting out about how the coaches were talking up Bunche at mini-camp.
McCalister over Smith II. Also why do you have Braman as a DL?
Braman listed as a “DE” on the team’s official roster now.
And because Howie owned the Smith II pick, I doubt he’s getting cut.
You have an opinion on this with zero data points for either in an NFL 4-3?
Yes, people can have opinions. Do you not have one at all on the matter? Smiths body is currently far more NFL ready. That is a fact.
I really dont think a 7th rounder will beat out a former first rounder, no matter how bad he is.
Highly doubt McCalister beats out Smith. Smiths body is more NFL ready by far and yes he is more talented.
McCalister isn’t ready to contribute. He needs at least 20lbs. If he plays well he makes the practice squad or get a phantom IR.
They gave Greene $100k guaranteed…id bet he’s on the 53
And the LB like $90k some. Way above average UDFA
I think they can pay him that on the p-squad, but I agree he ain’t going far.
Someone (Greg?) clarified that the big guarantees offset PS salaries. Basically, they were guaranteed PS as a minumum.
I think it was him. In either case, those guys will be here.
The money offsets against PS wages.
It’s the Bamiro treatment. He’s pretty much guaranteed a spot on the practice squad but 53 is unlikely. Lacks versatility, so won’t be active, at that point it’s not difference between PS and inactive OL.
I don’t understand how smallwood is better the barner or tucker for that matter.. we still have tucker yes?
Barner is putrid. They drafted Smallwood to play. Kempski already has Smallwood over Barner on the updated depth chart, so that isn’t even just be flaming Barner on my own.
And sadly, Tucker isn’t back from his hamstring (I think) disaster. He might be done.
nah he’s not putrid
A word of advice, he’s not troll but, don’t try to reason with this guy….
He definitely troll
I think Tucker is unfortunately pretty much done. Im not as down on Barner as some are. I do think he has some talent as long as he is used right, but it would in no way surprise me if Smallwood quickly proves the superior talent.
I look at Barner as a faster, quicker, and stronger Mahe without the steady hands that you are confident he will not fumble or muck up the punt catch.
I cant figure out why it seems everyone has Huff and Agholor over Randle.
Yes Agholor is a first round pick, but by a different regime. While im not even close to calling him a bust he did have a bad rookie season. I think Randle is miles ahead of him at this point.
Huff has potential but has not been able to put much together. I view him more as a slot guy or even offensive weapon. Randle is hands over heels the better WR right now.
I’m really coming around to this regime. Doug seems like he’s putting together a seriously nasty team. They took risks on talent with background issues. It’s gonna be a crazy training camp, probably way more fights than under CK. I hope this defense returns to being feared by the league.
There certainly seemed to be a concerted effort to erase some of the softness.
Hopefully we get a brawl in a pre-season game.
Peter King, through talking to GM’s and coaches, says many around the league feel no empathy for Bradford. Obviously it depends on who he polled, but I think everyone should be able to read past Sam’s bullshit here. He’s butthurt because he was the first pick, and people raved about his talent. He has been giving huge contracts far outweighing his production and more about his “potential.” At some point dude, you need to compete. You are a professional athlete playing the most important position in sports. This just continues to irk me every day, and I was one of his supporters for re-signing him. Absolutely crazy that this kid (not a kid– 29 years old) wants some sort of guarantee from any team with his mediocre production.
The first day of camp, when he finally shows up, Doug should make him push a blocking sled up and down the field all day, off to the side where teammates can see him. The second day, if he returns, give him the playbook and carry on as normal.
He’ll probably go run home and tell Tom.
He’ll get injured on the way home. I guarantee it.
No way brittlesticks survives that… They better have one of those mini dump-carts on hand to pick up the pieces
He’s like Bruce Willis in The Sixth Sense, where the character, although there are many hints, doesn’t realize he’s dead. Sam Bradford doesn’t realize he’s not a good QB.
Yea but if you look at specific quarters within a handful of games during garbage time, he was pretty darned good.
Wow…this is poetry. You have perfectly described “franchise quarterback “. -Sam Bradford
Thanks for ruining the movie!!! 🙂
I see dead quarterbacks…
Crap, I was finally going to watch that this week. Really he’s dead?
I was one of the dummies who never figured it out.
Yeah – trade didn’t happen, not going to happen, it’s time to move on. I had empathy for sam before, but now it’s time to show up and “mentor” the rookie.
Reminds me of the Ryan Mathews / Demarco thing last year.
I’d bet you’d get the same reaction from players. I’ve said it before, but this cannot sit well with other players.
Yeah man, Sam seems to have this weird sense of entitlement to a starting job. I haven’t liked him since we got him, can’t wait to see him go.
Wasn’t a fan of the original trade, but I understood the logic of taking a huge risk with the hopes that you could turn him into a top end QB. I would have rather stuck with Foles, see what happens and if he failed (which was likely), draft a QB.
Going into this offseason, I wanted Bradford gone. I don’t think he turned a corner in the last 7 games, and continue to view Bradford as a below average starting QB. Again, I understood the contract we signed him to because you don’t know who you will be able to sign in FA/draft, and for the sake of the rest of the team, you do need a functional QB (which Sanchez isn’t either). Still, especially with the benefit of hindsight, I would much rather deal with the lumps of going with Chase Daniels (a QB Pederson clearly has a high opinion of based on the contract) for the season until Wentz is ready.
The only hope I have with Bradford is that he is able to play well enough that some team will trade for him this year or prior to next season. The problem is, with the way Bradford is acting up so publicly, he is even hurting his chances of us being able to trade him and is likely hurting his value.
I doubt I would ever route against an Eagle, but Bradford is making it incredibly hard for me to like watching him. For the sake of the ability to trade him, I hope he plays well, but outside of that, I would love to see Wentz and Daniels outplay him.
And not hard to envision the other guys outplaying him given his attitude
Myke Tavarres highlights.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/535050/highlights/7763409
love how he dives over chop blocks.
Obviously best player on the field, he leaves his feet way too much…he’s not gonna be able to get away with that in NFL
F it. He’s my UDFA crush, tied with destiny. I want both to make the team. Worst case scenario we get more of our choice at RB with next year’s second.
Yeah, I like that nasty streak. It’s what made me such a fan of Runyan.
Maybe he light up pre-season games like Joe Mays did.
Andy STUDEBAKER, or am I misrembmering…
Yeah looking like mine too
Holy crap. About 50% of his hits cause the runner to lose the ball. And he’s faster than everyone else on the field in every play. Can you imagine a guy this good at the NFL level? Lawrence Taylor II…
Some of his hits looked like from a video game.
Okay, this highlight video is just absurd. I was heating up a pan on the stove and forgot as I watched, dumbfounded. I had to take it outside when the smoke reminded me.
How is a guy this clearly dominant, yet doesn’t move up to higher competition? Is there something in his background? Is he going to crumble when the other guys are good, too? Are we going to be asking how colleges missed him at his HOF induction?
Finally, when Snoop chose his college, was he aware there was a school located in Weed, CA?
The Jaguars declined LT Luke Joeckel’s fifth-year option.
top 3 picks in 2013 all massive busts. thank god miami saved us from dion jordan
That and the tweet from Chase Daniels welcoming Wentz to Philly and saying it is time to get to work both seem to have undertones. The kind of undertones one aims at a colleague that one is too professional to speak about honestly.
I wonder how Bradfords and Sanchezs relationship was.
Now I wonder if the Broncos asked Mark anything about Bradford during the the trade discussions. Not that they’d base a final decision off anything but it helps to have inside info and perspective.
I am starting to like the idea of Myke backing up and pushing Mykal.
But can Myke play MIKE?
I don’t think this was mentioned earlier, but Freddie Martino was released as well today.
On a GE side note, the Germans once again show their efficiency with Boehringer being the first draft pick to sign a contract