Bennie Logan
Posted: February 25th, 2017 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 91 Comments »Bennie Logan is the Eagles top free agent (apologies to Bryan Braman). We still don’t know if the team will be able to bring Logan back. With Fletcher Cox making so much money at one DT position, there is only so high the Eagles can go with Logan’s salary.
My guess is that the team does want him back. When he was healthy, the defense played very well at the beginning of the year. Logan played his best football early in the season and then suffered a groin injury in the first Skins game. He was still solid when he came back, but I’m not sure he got back to fully being 100 percent.
In a normal offseason, teams would be lining up for a shot to get someone like Logan. This year there could be a lot of good free agent targets.
Brandon Williams – BAL
Kawaan Short – CAR
Dontari Poe – KC
Johnathan Hankins – NYG
Sylvester Williams – DEN
Nick Fairley – NO
Logan would probably be 4th on that list, but that could change depending on what teams are looking for.
Shot 9 – Bennie Logan made his presence felt Sunday in his return to the lineup. Impacted run and pass game #FlyEaglesFly pic.twitter.com/HWb49Arg0h
— Fran Duffy (@fduffy3) November 14, 2016
Bennie Logan gets a jump on the snap, Kouandjio gets blown up… pic.twitter.com/q8zOl668Pt
— Robbie Duncan (@DeadeyeDunkan) December 13, 2016
Bennie Logan, strong like bull #GBvsPHI #FlyEaglesFly pic.twitter.com/vTI3chqA5n
— Josh Cohen (@jco3215) November 30, 2016
You can see Logan has a good combination of strength, quickness and athleticism. He can shoot up the field and be disruptive. He can 2-gap and eat up blockers. Logan has a role in every defense. That will help his value.
He also is the kind of high character guy you want representing your team. This is the kind of guy you want to reward with a big deal. If the price is right, I think the Eagles will make a strong push to keep him. If the market for him turns out to be better than expected. the Eagles might find themselves looking for a replacement in free agency or the draft.
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If Logan does walk, Hankins would be a player of interest for me. He had 7 sacks back in 2014 and we know that Jim Schwartz loves DL who can get to the QB. Hankins isn’t a great player, but he is talented.
Watch @BigTimeHank shed his block and wrap up Zeke for a loss. Needless to say, this d-line is really good against the run. #Giants pic.twitter.com/1ZROaVQu1h
— Justin Witmondt (@JustinWitmondt) December 14, 2016
Always fun to watch guys make plays against Dallas.
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Logan will be gone.
It felt like a totally different defense when Logan was playing last year. The games he missed were most of the games the Eagles came up limp. I hope they find a way to keep him.
I kept clamoring last off season to re-sign him, and every writer would say the same thing: he’s not a FA until next season. Well now it’s next season and now he’ll probably be gone. The writers don’t run the team or pay the salaries, but it was like they just shrugged it off.
Salary cap was a reality then too. Fletcher Cox was the priority and in the same boat last offseason. They also decided they wanted to keep Vinny Curry for Schwartz; that may be the deal which prevents Logan from being re-signed. Many/most wanted him re-signed, but it was just as obvious there was no room to do so.
Aw man, if only the FO had listened to your clamoring, we wouldn’t be in this situation!!
I don’t disagree that signing him earlier would have been better, but maybe he was really trying to test the market.
I thought the forced narrative was that our defense declined after we lost Ron Brooks?
Is that statement incorrect? Were we equal or better after we lost Brooks?
crap, I should have said because, not after. Dammit
Correlation =/= Causation
I don’t think it’s that we missed such an amazing talent in Brooks, so much as that we had a solid or at least serviceable player at that position. Once he went down, the rest of the defense had to shuffle to accommodate for the lack of even serviceable talent, and thus the defense declined.
It’s not “We” loser. Get a life or kill yourself, loser.
I don’t know if that was a forced narrative. The stats supported the theory, along with the fact that after he was injured, Jenkins was consistently playing in the slot. Is there a reason you seem to want to piss all over this “narrative”?
So Nick Mangold is around…
And would be a big upgrade at C………….if he clear waivers and wants to play here on a one year deal lower than what we’d save on the cap by cutting Kelce and playing Sem over Barbre Doll at LG.
isnt he old as balls?
Old balls you say?
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And yes, he’d be stopgap assuming they drafted a C/G guy early to slide into starting next year.
Vested vets don’t go through waivers, but still no thanks. We don’t need to sign anyone that won’t be here in 3 years.
That’s reasonable. Operation anti-anorexia needs to be in full effect at C however. I’m DONE with Kelce.
Mangold isn’t coming here for under $3.8 million.
With our salary cap situation I would prefer we let Logan walk and sign an upgrade at CB or WR in his place. I believe the team can come close to replacing Benny’s production with an older , cheaper stop gap at DT and we can draft someone in later rounds at that position who can be groomed to start in the future.
I believe the Eagles need to get 2 starters in FA. 1 at WR and one at CB or perhaps both at WR. We will also find a few FA’s for depth in the bargain bin.
Hoping we can trade Barwin, Kendricks, Sproles & Kelce but it sounds like we would be fortunate to get something for just 2 of them in trade.
March 9th can’t get here soon enough. I am excited to begin constructing our roster for next season.
Sproles isn’t going anywhere. The others could be traded, depending on partners.
I can live with Sproles returning for his final season, but we could get 4 million in extra cap space to help sign someone at another position if we part ways. In addition I think we could get an extra late round pick via a trade and possibly send him to a team that he can compete to win a super bowl with in his final season. I don’t think it is a given that Sproles will be back, but if he is here that works as well.
I’m with “2 starters”, but I’m only trying to pay #2 level starters at those positions. We need the top guys to come from the draft and play on bargain basement wages for 4 years before we extend them.
Well we need a starting CB in Free Agency. Can’t go into the draft needing 2 CBs…
I’d much rather keep Logan here than risk an outside guy being yet another bust. Logan doesn’t spend an unseemly number of games injured, never makes the news for bad reasons, and is a known quantity of quality play. Odds he goes full Vinny Curry and turns into a lazy thief are minimal.
That’s my fear with letting him walk. It seems like a forgone conclusion Howie will either spend big at CB or Wr in free agency. They both might be gambles. Bennie would be much closer to a sure thing.
Exactly. I’m not trying to be in the free agent F up business again. I’m f-ing done with turds like Nnamdi and Maxwell. Or Steve Everett if you’d like to go back to the first Lurie era signing that was a total bust.
I will give Howie credit though, last year he was excellent in free agency. With the exceptions of Chase Daniel (100% on Pederson) and Brooks, McKelvin, and Bradham (100% on Schwartz), Rodney McLeod and Brandon Brooks were excellent signings. All the receivers signed and released were low-risk/reward.
I’m curious who the under-the-radar players are for this offseason will be in similar fashion to Brooks and McLeod.
One thing that’s hard not to think about is how I keep reading that the cap will be going up by $10+M per year over the next four seasons.
I agree completely.
Thiught Bradham was good, yes he cooled off ..
Bradham and Brooks were actually good signings. Brooks was serviceable at nickel, and Bradham was pretty good. Not pro bowl, but pretty good. For the price paid, both were worth it. Don’t lump them together with McKelvin.
I don’t remember Brooks playing all that well, but I could be wrong. What I do remember is that the 5th DB seemed to be a liability for the the remainder of the season (either Mills or Watkins).
I can’t see them bringing him back at almost $2M next year considering his biggest knock may be that he’s never been able to stay healthy.
I only lumped them together to show they weren’t Howie’s pickups and how good the Brandon Brooks and McLeod pickups were as high dollar free agents.
Good, even red going to need that extra $40m to make Wentz the highest paid QB in the game
Your grammar is perplexing. With your comma usage, I can’t determine where your clauses are divided. If indeed you believe that only McLeod and Brooks were good signings, they’re not exceptions, they’re the rule. And I don’t agree. McLeod and OL Brooks were unqualified successes, Bradham had an off the field issue that was a minor distraction, Daniel was fine but too expensive, and only McKelvin was really a bust.
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That is a subject I would LOVE for Tommy to take an in depth look this offseason. WTF happened to Vinny? Really hope he isn’t just fat and happy now.
The “we didn’t sign Bennie” simulated draft
Round 1 Pick 15: Sidney Jones, CB, Washington (B+)
Round 2 Pick 11: Dan Feeney, OG, Indiana (B+)
Round 3 Pick 13 (ARI): Dalvin Tomlinson, DT, Alabama (A)
Round 4 Pick 12: Samaje Perine, RB, Oklahoma (A)
Round 4 Pick 13 (ARI): Zay Jones, WR, East Carolina (A+)
Round 5 Pick 11: Corn Elder, CB, Miami (Fla.) (B)
Round 6 Pick 10: Jamaal Williams, RB, Brigham Young (B-)
Round 7 Pick 12: Brandon Bell, OLB, Penn State (B-)
The “we kept Bennie” simulated draft.
Round 1 Pick 17 (WASH): Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan (A+)
Round 2 Pick 17 (WASH): Dan Feeney, OG, Indiana (A-)
Round 3 Pick 10: Kevin King, CB, Washington (A)
Round 3 Pick 17 (WASH): Antonio Garcia, OT, Troy (A)
Round 4 Pick 12: Samaje Perine, RB, Oklahoma (A)
Round 4 Pick 17 (WASH): Taywan Taylor, WR, Western Kentucky (B-)
Round 5 Pick 11: Marquez White, CB, Florida State (C)
Round 6 Pick 10: Corey Clement, RB, Wisconsin (A)
Round 7 Pick 12: Matt Milano, OLB, Boston College (B-)
Dang!! 2 good drafts! I’m kinda leaning towards the “we didn’t sign Bernie” version. Yep…give me that and a smart free agency and let’s see what we can do!
The caveat being that first pick has the valuations for some guys too low right now. Thank you though.
But I hope the Howie / Douglas collective gets some work done in April.
I like White from FSU. If it’s between him and Elder from Miami, that’s a tough call.
“Don’t care if we don’t resign Bennie” draft
14: R1P14
CB MARSHON LATTIMORE
OHIO STATE
43: R2P11
G FORREST LAMP
WESTERN KENTUCKY
74: R3P10
RB JOE MIXON
OKLAHOMA
119: R4P12
CB FABIAN MOREAU
UCLA
139: R4P32
WR TAYWAN TAYLOR
WESTERN KENTUCKY
155: R5P11
WR CARLOS HENDERSON
LOUISIANA TECH
194: R6P10
LB JALEN REEVES-MAYBIN
TENNESSEE
230: R7P12
DL TREYVON HESTER
TOLEDO
your 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th picks are drafted way too low. What makes you think any of them will be there where you took them?
Realistically? Yea. Given what the simulator gives you? No not really.
Losing Logan is not “addition by subtraction” as moving on from some other players this off-season will be. It will create a hole, which will need to be addressed; that means less resources for other needs. And more risk that any replacement doesn’t contribute as much. Too many needs already exist without creating another.
He’s going to get paid somewhere else in FA – justified or not. The Eagles likely won’t be able (or want to) match.
I’d like to keep Bennie for the right price, but he’s not so good that I’d overpay to keep him – especially with the amount of money we’ve already invested in the DL.
I’d actually say Hankins is an upgrade over Logan, and he’s three years younger, so if we ended up with him for similar money I’d be a very happy camper.
As of now pre-combine my board at pick 14/15 would be:
Mike Williams
Cam Robinson
Marlon Humphrey
Corey Davis
I’ll probably add one or two guys between now and the draft but for me it’s one of these four or move back.
I thought the cam Robinson love had cooled off among draft ppl
Draft guys don’t love him, OL twitter is big fans.
He’s inconsistent and I wouldn’t play him at LT early in his career. I get the vibe that he’s a bit immature. It’s not physical ability issues. He’s not 22 until October. I think the Eagles are a pretty ideal situation for him. You’ll have Jason Peters to take him under his wing, we have Stoudtland who is very experienced with this kind of kid, he can slot right in at LG (Peters-Cam-Seumalo-Brooks-Lane is on par with Dallas or Oakland). For the Eagles he fills an immediate hole, moving forward gives you the kind of premium T you would like opposite Lane, and provides “Lane is a moron” insurance.
Down the road I think he could be a fringe top-10 left tackle, I think he’s a monster guard or the best RT in football by year 2 or 3.
He’s less Laremy Tunsil or Joe Thomas and more La’el Collins or Kelechi Osemele. I’ll take a 21 year old version of the latter two anyday of the week.
Drafting an OL in the 1st would definitely stay on ‘brand’ if they are still building along Andy’s philosophy.
Would be shocked it it happened – just because this is such a weak Tackle class, and there are so many Tackle needy teams that if he is truly BPA for the Eagles at 15 then i would imagine someone would have taken him in the 8-14 range already.
I want a defensive playmaker honestly, and would settle for a WR/TE if they are BPA, but i am not a fan of drafting RB’s high (Cap/age/bust rate just make it a really poor allocation of resources) and i doubt OL is going to be BPA where we are drafting.
Cam is the only one I would take at our pick. He’s not without his flaws, which is why he could be available.
What are your thoughts on sidney jones?
I like him, I don’t think the coming weeks are going to be kind to him. He’s going to weigh in really light and run pretty average.
Would those be enough to significantly drop his stock? and do you think it would be wise for the eagles to take him?
Yes. Jones played at around 180 pounds and might weigh in within the range of 185-195 pounds. Gaining muscle should slow him down and I don’t think he had blazing speed in the first place. He was bullied by bigger/stronger WRs and it’ll continue to happen if he doesn’t bulk up.
You’re going to be projecting him against whatever WRs are in your division. Would you feel comfortable with him covering guys like OBJ, Dez, and etc? If so then you take him.
Your comment is exactly what I was thinking. Because light+average speed isn’t a good combo because if he puts on weight then he’ll slow down. I guess it depends on how far he drops. If he’s there in the 3rd then sure. I just have the fear of Dez ruining him.
He’s supposedly 180 but NFL dot com has him listed at 170 which makes me think they’ve heard something. I’ll be shocked if he comes in over 185ish. For a guy his size you really want him to be within a big meal of 200.
I do like him, I just worry about the size. We’ll see what Indy brings for him.
Is this assuming Lattimore/Allen//Thomas/Foster are gone?
Generally yes.
I’m not sure how much I love Foster from a roster allocation standpoint (I don’t think you exactly want or need the Panthers LB crew in this scheme). I also don’t have a great feel for his range in coverage because Bama used him moving forward alot, I haven’t really dug into him though so he’s a guy that could get added to the list.
Allen will 100% be gone.
If Thomas works out as well as he’s supposedly capable of he’s gone, if not I’m not sure he’s a clear scheme fit.
I think Lattimore will be gone. A guy with like 700 college snaps and a history of hamstring issues worries me a bit.
Can you explain why you’re high on Humphrey?
I get scared with Alabama CB’s- haven’t had a lot of success lately.
He’s 20, world class sprinter, and will physically smack you.
He’s going to need time to reach his ceiling because of technique stuff, he doesn’t always trust himself, but he can be a weapon in zone stuff early because he’s intelligent in combination with his physicality and athleticism.
Like him back but this team has bigger holes to fill, limited cap space to do it, and has already invested huge dollars in the DL with Curry, Graham, and Cox.
What NFL team has spent a meaningful amount of its cap space on DT and been successful? I can’t even think of a team except going back to when the Skins tried to build their D around Wilkinson/Stubblefield and that turned out to be really disappointing.
1 Tech DT’s do not get paid at a high rate (I expect a Curry tier contract for Logan), and letting walk quality high character players who are starters without a better replacement in the wings never makes sense.
We are loosing Barwin this year, so i don’t see how replacing Barwins cap commitment with Logans is a significant concern. Curry if he does not improve significantly year 2 is getting cut next year, leaving the only DL with serious cap commitments being Cox/Graham.
Add in the fact that our LB situation (once they offload Kendricks) is very cheap, and even if they Sign Bouye for $15m their CB situation will still be cheaper than league average, meaning you can spend more $$ on the DL.
Cap looks tight but that is a lot to do with Bradford’s/Daniels continued cap impacts, both of which should be disappear in 2018.
Never heard Logan referred to as a leader on this team and I could see him getting a decent payday especially for a team looking to really sure up their run defense.
Yeah it creates a hole but the Eagles have more and larger pressing issues.
It’s called “shore up”.
Remember when the skins gave Hanesworth 100 mill? Ahhh the good ole days.
Games are won at the LOS and signing Logan should be a priority.
Unfortunately, the Eagles have not managed the cap well enough to have the space to sign Logan and address the other holes they have on the roster effectively. They would need to short change certain positions to keep him or let him walk.
The fact it has gotten this far along with no news of negotiations or statements/signals from the team makes me think they will let Logan walk. Their hope is he will not get a lucrative enough offer from another team and the Eagles will be able to get him back at a cheaper price. I think that is unlikely and it will haunt us.
Bennie has the same agent as Cox. He was always going to take it to FA.
I’d love to see the evidence for that definitive assertion.
I think when the Eagles did not sign him last off-season it was a clear signal they were willing to let him go. Maybe it was due to him telling them he was going to test FA regardless, but if the Eagles really wanted him and offered good coin he would likely stay IMO unless there is some issues we are not aware of.
This is nuts. You’re picking your point of view, then coloring it in with the facts after the fact. Base your point of view on actual facts, not the other way around.
First off, they absolutely have the same agent. And it was pretty plain for all to see that this agent was not particularly cozy with the Eagles, nor was he into “hometown discounts”.
Second, they did not sign him last offseason because THEY DID NOT HAVE TO. They had 4 other players who were due for a resigning, who would have otherwise been on the open market. They prioritized those players. Because they had another year to work something out with Bennie, if something was going to be worked out.
I get so freaking tired of people bending every fact around some bullshit narrative that everything the Eagles do is evil or mismanaged or some weird combination of the two.
They did not resign Bennie last offseason because they didn’t have the money. They were resigning other players who were coming due. They also had another year to see if something was going to work out with Bennie. They also have a lot of money invested in the line, so they weren’t going to bend over backwards to get something done like they did with Cox. This is plain and simple and does not need to be twisted into yet another scathing indictment of the terrible Eagles management. There’s plenty that they do that is worthy of actual criticism without having to start pulling things out of our asses.
Wow, pretty over the top reaction.
I asked for evidence for a claim that was made with absolute certainty and no support. Just because two players have the same agent does not mean they would never sign with the same team. In fact, players with the same agent have signed with the same team many times.
Agents and teams who supposedly do not like each other make deals all the time, that again is a silly claim without any verifiable evidence that proves the contrary is true in this case.
Before you accuse others of bending facts to support a bullshit narrative, look into the mirror. The holier than thou condescension crap is not needed on here. We are all fans talking about our team. I know nothing more than you do and do not pretend to.
The Eagles and Logan have had chances to make a deal and have not done so. It could be he refused their offers. It could be they never made any offers. It could be the agent has poisoned the well between the two parties. My point is I would make Logan a priority because I believe the LOS is where games are won and Logan is a good talent and character for our team. If they let him go or he decides to leave, so be it. I think it is a mistake.
This isn’t about whether keeping Bennie is a good idea. I’m all for it, if we can afford it. But looking at our cap situation, and the amount already invested in our DL, we probably can’t. The world isn’t perfect.
What my response was about was your immediate assumption that the Eagles did something wrong by not extending him last year. It may be that they work something out with him, it may not be, but if you don’t see the reasons why this isn’t a done deal yet, taking into account their other activity, Bennie’s agent, then you’re missing pretty obvious facts, and it’s because your criticism of what hasn’t happened yet seems to be more important.
As I said, this attitude of attacking the front office for pretty reasonable decisions, or more importantly, for things that haven’t actually been finalized, is a waste of energy. it’s negativism for negativism’s sake, and you’d do better to find real issues to worry about.
At the end of the day, if Bennie walks, I think every sane fan would both regret it and understand it. And I’m pretty sure that’s even without taking into account what the end result of our entire FA period is; it’s just a fact that sometimes guys leave when you can’t afford them, and paying that much money for two defensive tackles isn’t necessarily a “can’t miss, why would you ever do anything else” plan.
They will keep complaining and even blaming the wrong people for years unfortunately. Just a couple of days ago someone was reviling Chip for driving away Maclin. 3 years ago. Howie let Maclin go to KC because Maclin wanted more money than the Eagles wanted to pay. Like you say, simple explanation, but people want to rant even when they are using alternate facts.
Hey!! It’s not “We”. You don’t work for the team nor write the checks, you are a nobody loser.
Of course they were willing to let him go, that’s stating the obvious. The only players on this team they probably aren’t willing to let go at this point are Wentz, Cox, Graham, Jenkins, and Hicks. That’s probably the complete list.
In a perfect world Bennie comes back. I just don’t think he preformed well enough in this defense to break the bank. Sure he was nicked up and it is a small sample size. Unfortunately we are stuck with the information we have to make the decision.
If the marker for his services is within our budget, great. If not, oh well. I would love caviar on a tuna fish budget, but I sure ain’t gonna pay caviar prices.
Sometimes it’s better to have quality tuna than cheap caviar.
Especially if the Russians killed all the wild sturgeon leaving jacked up farm fish for your enjoyment.
Sturgeon. Fraser River. Check it out.
You cant keep everyone and Kelly’s single year of mismanaging the cap have put Howie behind little on the cap.
“Bye, Bye Bennie, Bennie Bye Bye!”
I know you love him Tommy, but he ain’t comin’ back
I am interested to see his market develop. Very stout against the run, not much of a penetrator. There are a lot of DT’s on the FA market. I like him but so much is tied up on that D line already I feel like he was gone the second Cox signed his deal.
When Bennie signs with another team will you please headline an article “Logan’s Run”?
What’s everyone think of Budda Baker? To me, he has the instincts of Jenkins, but the size and toughness of McLeod.
Just did this tonight off of fan speak with CBS board.
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