Coverage Questions

Posted: July 31st, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 95 Comments »

Alshon Jeffery and Torrey Smith have looked terrific. Jordan Matthews is playing well, as always. Nelson Agholor is having the best summer of his career. Second year players Marcus Johnson and David Watford are doing everything they can to make the team. Rookies Mack Hollins and Greg Ward do not look like rookies. Receiver might have gone from a huge question to a position of strength.

While it is great to see the receivers lighting it up, there is a downside as well. They are beating Eagles CBs. A lot.

Jalen Mills has been the best of the CBs, but even that is good and bad news. Mills is more of a #2 CB. You don’t want him going up against the best receivers in the league, week after week. Patrick Robinson has been erratic in his career and unfortunately the good version of him hasn’t shown up yet. He is a veteran player so the light could go on for him at any moment, but there are no guarantees that happens.

Rasul Douglas has struggled in Training Camp. He showed promise in the spring, but the complexity of the NFL game has caught up with him. Douglas can still turn things around, but he’s struggling right now.

Fans have started to ask about going after Darrelle Revis, or whatever big names are still on the street. I don’t think the Eagles are going to make a move. The players on the street are generally there for a reason. They are declining. They want too much money. They aren’t completely healthy. Or some combination of those factors.

Sidney Jones has the potential to be a shutdown corner, but he’s a long term solution. He might play this year. He might sit until 2018. The Eagles want to be smart with him because they like him so much. Douglas might also be a long term answer. He’s not the first rookie to struggle with a big playbook and all the techniques the coaches want him to use.

The Eagles are looking for a “good enough” solution for 2017. That might be Mills, Robinson and Ron Brooks in the slot. Maybe playing in games will bring out the best in Douglas. C.J. Smith and Aaron Grymes have each had good moments. They will battle for jobs and playing time.

One bright spot is that the Eagles do have some young players they are trying to develop. Previously the team was cycling through veterans who weren’t that good today and didn’t have a lot of potential for the future.

I am curious to see how the CBs play in the preseason games. Practice normally favors the offense. Games will give us a better idea of whether this group can be effective in 2017.

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On to practice. Wentz to Agholor for a long TD. 

Air yards.

And now Wentz to Torrey Smith.

More air yards.

The receivers are getting open deep and Wentz is putting the ball right on the money. The vertical passing game just wasn’t there enough in 2016, but it looks like that will change this season.

Beautiful.

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Jimmy Bama did see some positives from DBs today.

• Rodney McLeod laid a big pop on LeGarrette Blount during a running drill that knocked Blount on his butt. Later McLeod popped Zach Ertz over the middle. Blount and Ertz both have at least 50 pounds on McLeod.

McLeod was more up and down last year than I expected. He’s in Year 2 in the scheme and has spent a season working alongside Malcolm Jenkins. That can be critical at the Safety position. You need to be on the same page as your teammates and know all the details of the scheme. It would be great to see McLeod raise his game a notch this year.

• Rookie UDFA CB Jomal Wiltz had a pick today too. He jumped an out route, made a diving grab, sprung to his feet, and returned it for a score. Wiltz has stood out numerous times in camp, and is an early dark horse of mine to make the 53-man roster.

Wiltz caught my eye when studying the UDFAs after the draft. Here is what I said back then.

Wiltz was my favorite of the UDFAs, but also incredibly frustrating. Iowa State must have 237 DBs and they play them all. Every snap was Where’s Wiltz? Sometimes he was at RCB. Other times LCB. Sometimes he was in the slot. Sometimes he was at Safety. Other times he was on the sideline watching so the other couple of hundred DBs could get snaps.

Wiltz is small at 5-9, 178. He has a track background and reportedly ran 4.43 at his Pro Day. I can’t verify that, so take it with with a grain of salt. Wiltz returned kickoffs as well as playing DB. I loved him because he played with so much attitude. There was definitely some Jalen Mills to his game. No finger wag, but he let receivers know about every incompletion. He might be small, but was an aggressive tackler and wanted to be in on as many plays as possible. His best pro spot is the slot. Wiltz is a long shot for the NFL, but he could be fun to watch this summer. He will compete. I bet Jim Schwartz will enjoy his spirit and aggressiveness. And who knows…maybe he’ll improve with a more defined role.

We haven’t hear Jim Schwartz rave about him yet. Maybe that will be coming soon. Wiltz has an uphill battle, but he’s the type of player who doesn’t give a crap about the odds. Wiltz is the guy who would try to run through a brick wall to prove you wrong about something. DBs with that mentality always have a fighting chance. And it helps when they make impressive INTs in practice.

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Here’s Brandon Lee Gowton.

• Injury updates: Doug Pederson confirmed Randall Goforth tore his ACL. More info about him and others hereDonnel Pumphrey seemed to tweak his hamstring late in practice. He didn’t return after that, so that’s something to keep an eye on. OL Josh Andrews went back to the locker room with what seemed to be a hand injury.

Hate to hear Goforth tore his ACL. On the cold and pragmatic side, he wasn’t a standout in camp so it doesn’t hurt the team that much. I hope the young man can rehab and be ready for next summer, whether that is with the Eagles or another team.

Humphrey injuring his hamstring isn’t good. That’s a player the Eagles wanted to mix in to the offense. Let’s hope he’s back quickly.

Another good day for Agholor.

• Today’s crowd was very pro-Nelson Agholor. They cheered him when he caught passes with no defense on the field during group install. They cheered him when he returned a kickoff to the house despite the fact he couldn’t actually be stopped or tackled.

The encouragement seemed to help Agholor. He finished practice with a number of good catches. Agholor faked Patrick Robinson out with his shiftiness while running a short route. Then he burned Ron Brooks for a deep touchdown catch. Agholor made a short catch with his hands extended while Jalen Mills gave him a nice big thud. Normally that would’ve been a ball he’d drop but he held on. Agholor had another deep touchdown reception when the defense totally failed to cover him. The Eagles’ lackluster cornerback play isn’t hurting Agholor, for sure, but he did some legitimately good things in terms of route-running, showing off speed, and, you know, actually catching the ball.

Just keep stacking those practices. Soon, success is a habit and becomes almost second nature.

• LeGarrette Blount is running well. He showed good speed on a run to the outside. Then he hurdled a dude to extend the play. Blount isn’t known for being an active pass-catcher but I haven’t seen him drop anything since he signed with Philly. Maybe the Eagles will give him some regular season targets to test if the defense is being honest.

I have been impressed with some of the clips I’ve seen of Blount. Really looking forward to seeing him in a game.

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Now for Jeff McLane.

  1. The offensive line appeared to win the day in one-on-ones. Jason Peters said after practice that he thinks the Eagles offensive line is among the top five units in the NFL. Having tackle Lane Johnson for a full 16 games should help. He owned defensive end Brandon Graham on their first encounter. He crossed his arms in a waving motion to signal his victory. Center Jason Kelce gave little ground to defensive tackle Destiny VaeaoHalapoulivaati Vaitai, who struggled during team drills a day earlier, centered up Graham and blocked him to the ground. Tim Jernigan and Chance Warmack – two new guys – faced off and I had a tough time figuring who got the nod. Warmack was driven back a few steps, but that was all he gave. Tackle Taylor Hart (!) tied up Chris Long, who then proceeded to take his angst out on Vaitai and Matt Tobin with devastating moves. Derek Barnett continued to work on a counter move. Tackle Victor Salako didn’t bite on his outside-in fake, but he also couldn’t contain the rookie end on a speed rush. Tackle Dillon Gordan fared much better and stood up Barnett. Guard Isaac Seumalo was an immovable beast against defensive tackle Justin Hamilton.

Always love to read OL/DL notes. I’m curious to see how Chris Long plays this year. Being in this system could bring out the best in him. It will also help to have guys like Fletcher Cox and Tim Jernigan pushing the pocket.

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Last and certainly not least, Fran Duffy and Chris McPherson.

4. In the 9-on-7, or Inside Run portion of practice, there were a few players who stood out. Vinny Curry started things off with a bang, meeting LeGarrette Blount at the line of scrimmage on the first play. Linebacker Mychal Kendricks shot a gap and ran into the backfield for what would have been a tackle for a loss in what may have been the most impressive play of the drill. Linebacker Joe Walker came downhill, bounced off a pulling guard, and made a play just north of the line of scrimmage late in the period. The biggest hit of the period may have come from second-year guard Darrell Greene, who clocked a linebacker on the final play of the period.

Walker seems to be having a solid camp so far. It is encouraging to hear about him shedding blocks and making plays. He’s always been athletic. Being physical enough to handle blockers is the big challenge for him.

Greene is very under the radar. The Eagles liked him a lot as a UDFA and paid good money to get him. He has the size and strength to be a good run blocker. Just have to see if he’s athletic enough to handle quick DTs in pass pro.

A. As the first-team group got started, Lane Johnson and Brandon Graham both battled hard on the first rep, as did Fletcher Cox and Brandon Brooks. Jason Kelce anchored down well against nose tackle Destiny Vaeao on a snap where you could really see Kelce’s athleticism and ability to bend come into play. Tim Jernigan beat Isaac Seumalo on a “push-pull” move, shocking Seumalo with a strong punch, and then swimming past him on the way to the QB. Vinny Curry bull-rushed the left tackle, Dillon Gordon and karate chopped the ball to the ground.

B. As we went back to the other side, second-year tackle Halapoulivaati Vaitai had an outstanding rep against Graham, throwing the Pro Bowl pass rusher to the ground at the end of the play. Jernigan bull-rushed Chance Warmack back into the pocket and right into the lap of the proverbial quarterback. Derek Barnett   beat Matt Tobin with a bull rush and then spun inside when he got as deep as the quarterback, which is exactly what you want to see on that play. It was a great rep for the rookie first-round pick. He won on his next rep with an inside spin move. As the backups rotated in, I noticed multiple strong reps from converted defender Taylor Hart, second-year guard Darrell Greene, and former third-round pick Dallas Thomas.

Lots of good details in there.

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95 Comments on “Coverage Questions”

  1. 1 A_T_G said at 12:28 AM on July 31st, 2017:

    Roster cutdowns are going to be painful this year. It seems like every day there is a new name to add to the surprising success list.

  2. 2 T_S_O_P said at 1:22 AM on July 31st, 2017:

    No mention yet of Stefan Weisniski. A possible trade candidates?

  3. 3 or____ said at 6:33 AM on July 31st, 2017:

    You no like depth?

  4. 4 Corry said at 7:19 AM on July 31st, 2017:

    They just signed him to a deal so I’d think any trade would come with dead money on the cap. I can’t imagine they’d want to deal him with a potentially expensive off-season coming up. Then there’s the fact that he’s an effective backup at guard/center.

  5. 5 Guy Media said at 7:54 AM on July 31st, 2017:

    He’s ready to step in as soon as Kelce is gone.

  6. 6 Sb2bowl said at 10:52 AM on July 31st, 2017:

    They won’t trade him; good insurance inside and at C. Veteran presence, manaegable salary and cap figure.

    If he was traded, we’d have $1.8m in dead money. Would have to be a helluva come up to eat that much money.

    From a cap standpoint, it looks like he’s here this year and next. Manageable salary- $1.4m this year, $3.1m next year. Not bad insurance to have overall.

  7. 7 T_S_O_P said at 1:21 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Not an active trade candidate, but I like our depth enough, that should the right offer come, the harm of trading him could be offset by the reward. Finally, I really like Wiz.

  8. 8 wee2424 said at 11:01 AM on July 31st, 2017:

    I really like the way DP has this team competing. I don’t think enough is said of that.

  9. 9 CrackSammich said at 1:56 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Eh, it doesn’t sound like any of the promising prospects are really going to end up as starters. One back of the roster guy isn’t going to be all that different from another back of the roster guy.

  10. 10 Ark87 said at 4:57 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Yeah it is, but it’s not to get too into the weeds of the roster. We have access to little nuggets, an acrobatic catch here, a disastrous drop there: basically anything notable, or in other words, an outlier event. We aren’t with them for anything else of what they usually are.

    Meanwhile the coaches are with them every snap, every drill, and have film on all of it. And every year they make informed decisions that blow our minds because we make narratives out of extremely limited samples.

  11. 11 Charlie Kelly said at 12:44 AM on July 31st, 2017:

    I like football!!

  12. 12 SteveH said at 4:45 AM on July 31st, 2017:

    It’s a shame we can’t swap some of these promising receivers for some promising corners… This team really seems set for success this year (barring injuries of course knock on wood etc.) except at the corner spot. It seems like every year all we really need is mediocrity, and we can’t even get that.

  13. 13 Anders said at 5:08 AM on July 31st, 2017:

    I know DVOA isnt perfect, but according to them, we had the 2nd best defense even when the DL didnt get near the QB.
    I have zero idea how that happened

    https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2017/defense-and-pass-pressure-2016

  14. 14 Someguy77 said at 9:29 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    It is what makes the Eric Rowe trade that much more frustrating and a couple of bad signings like Kendricks and Curry that prevented them from going after a starting CB this offseason

    If this team had one solid outside corner, I would like their chances to win 10-11 games and possibly take the NFC East.

  15. 15 Dave said at 6:37 AM on July 31st, 2017:

    Cornerback is definitely going to be the Achilles heel of this team. On the bright side, Dallas is in the same boat with Orlando Scandrick and Nolan Carroll as their starters with a 2nd and 3rd round pick as the backups.

  16. 16 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 10:03 AM on July 31st, 2017:

    I wouldn’t go that far. Their DC has proven resilient. And id think Id take Awuzie and Lewis over most of what we have at CB.

  17. 17 Dave said at 10:07 AM on July 31st, 2017:

    Have you seen Nolan Carroll play?

    Rookie DBs rarely play well… learning schemes and coverages takes time.

  18. 18 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 10:21 AM on July 31st, 2017:

    I just think Marinelli gets a lot out of the guys he coaches. He makes it work and I think the Cowboys offense will protect their D again.

    I truly hope they fall apart. Everyone always says the D is going to break but its always good enough.

  19. 19 Dave said at 11:06 AM on July 31st, 2017:

    When your offense scores 27 points a game, the defense has a much easier job.

  20. 20 Benny6968 said at 12:23 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Actually Carroll may still be an upgrade over what we have at this time.
    Remember that he beat out these players already with the exception of Douglas and Robinson, and I am pretty sure he would beat out Robinson as well, from what we have seen so far in T.C.
    I guess we can hold our collective breath and hope someone steps up or the Eagles make a trade.
    I am hoping we go the trade route as it may be our best chance to land a decent corner.

  21. 21 Dave said at 12:28 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Carroll beat out a 7th round rookie and Ron Brooks based on his stellar attitude, knowledge of the playbook, and ability to break up short passes in practice.

    Robinson is this year’s version Leodis McKelvin.

    Im not nearly as worries this year because I believe the offense will score points, which should improve the defense.

  22. 22 BobSmith77 said at 6:44 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Robinson needs to be better than McKelvin last year.

    Granted McKelvin was a gimp for a decent portion of last year playing on one healthy leg but it got to the point he was getting help on almost every single play.

  23. 23 Tumtum said at 11:12 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Nolan wouldn’t start here?

  24. 24 Dave said at 7:26 AM on August 1st, 2017:

    He may be marginally better than who we have, but he is 30 with no upside. It’s the reason the team let him walk. Sometimes it’s better to see what a younger guy can do.

  25. 25 ChoTime said at 3:26 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    They’re in the same boat, but they have a great offense. So maybe not exactly the same boat.

  26. 26 eagleyankfan said at 7:23 AM on July 31st, 2017:

    A Kendricks sighting….

  27. 27 Corry said at 7:41 AM on July 31st, 2017:

    Corner is probably going to be painful to watch this year, but if the line can be consistent and Jenkins doesn’t have to play the nickel corner role, I think we can mask at least some of the problems.

  28. 28 Guy Media said at 7:53 AM on July 31st, 2017:

    Yeah, if they can stay healthier by one guy relative to last year it’ll be a big help. I’m not a big fan of what happens once Jenkins jumps into the slot.

  29. 29 Sb2bowl said at 11:05 AM on July 31st, 2017:

    At least we know this going in; we’ve addressed some deficient areas, but as a team we still have a lot of building to go. Expecting a rough year from the secondary allows a better (more realistic) perspective when the games begin.

    And as Guy M said- health will be the key. Jenkins in the slot dissolves the strength we have from our safety play, he needs to stay back there with Rodney to give us a fighters chance.

  30. 30 D3FB said at 1:36 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    I’m going to guess they’ll sit in cover 2 a lot. Use the range of Jenkins and McLeod to deter bombs. Mix press, off man and zone for the underneath guys.

    If they can do that they’ll force teams to drive 10-15 plays. Up the chances of a drive killing penalty, turnover or sack.

    When it doesn’t work it’s going to feel like death by a thousand paper cuts and kill TOP. But it’s probably a superior strategy than having to win 49-45 every week.

  31. 31 Dominik said at 1:55 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Totally agree. One should not underestimate how much it hurt their Defense last year when Brooks went down. Not because he’s very good (he’s solid at Slot CB imo), but because Jenkins isn’t as good at Slot CB as he is at Safety and especially because Watkins simply sucks.

    They had bad CBs last year. Maybe the group this year is even worse, but it’s not a big difference. And still, they dominated the Steelers and the Falcons, two top 5 offenses last year (maybe top 3). But that’s when Jenkins was at Safety along with McLeod. I think McLeods play suffered also because he had Watkins instead of Jenkins as a partner when they played Nickel (which is really often the case, as we all know).

    We all won’t get to see good CB play in 2017. That’s almost a given imo. Maybe that can change if Jones comes back and is as good as advertised, but I don’t anticipate that in 2017. But that doesn’t mean other teams can just kill us because of the CBs. With a really good DL, two good LB and two good Safeties, you can hide weaknesses at CB to some degree. And the Eagles have the potential for that. The rest is sloppy CBs stepping up to be at least halfway decent, maybe solid, and good coaching. It won’t be an easy job for Schwartz, but it’s doable imo. He has a very good reputation as a DC. He has to show that his reputation is for real.

  32. 32 BobSmith77 said at 6:52 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Maybe but besides Logan last year they had an almost completely healthy front 7 last year.

    Lots of consideration for who may be the most ‘irreplaceable player’ on the Eagles’ defense right now but I would strongly argue it is Hicks.

    Hicks doesn’t have the upside of Cox and likely isn’t a Pro Bowl-caliber player. Very good starter though who is fairly versatile, is adequate in coverage with good hands, and is solid sideline-to-sideline.

    Walker is a huge dropoff.

  33. 33 Dominik said at 7:33 AM on August 1st, 2017:

    The front 7 was healthy, yes. But now, they have depth, at least on the DL. Obviously you don’t want injuries, but they have 3 NFL proven and at least solid DEs + Barnett, a talented rookie. Can’t ask for more than that as depth, realistically.

    Most irreplaceable player on Defense should be Cox, Hicks or Jenkins. You have to look at the back-ups to make that call, imo. If Watkins beats out Brooks again as #3, I’d even say Jenkins. Watkins is just terrible, no other way to describe his play, imo. I’d have a much better feeling if Brooks is the #3 Safety.

    If Beau Allen comes back fully healthy, he should be able to form a serviceable back-up DT group along with Qualls and Vaeao. Plus you have Jernigan, who could be a solid DT #1 and they can sub in Curry or Long on passing downs.

    Because they have very little proven depth at LB, I would agree with you, it’s probably Hicks. Even though it’s close and Cox is the better player overall. Goode as your MLB in a reg season game (he practices with the 1st team right now) would be a giant weakness. More so than Allen/Qualls/Vaeao + Curry/Long on 3rd down imo.

    btw: I think you’re way to pessimistic about Hicks. I wouldn’t say his ceiling is Kuechly/Wagner, but his ceiling isn’t that far behind those two. Maybe not All Pro, but Pro Bowl level. And he isn’t “adequate” in coverage, he’s the best LB in coverage in the NFL statistically – even by a wide margin. Of course it helps him in that regard that the CBs suck, but he’s still elite in coverage.

  34. 34 Anders said at 3:59 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    We just need Brooks to stay healthy so Jenkins isn’t forced to the slot

  35. 35 D3FB said at 9:35 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    I actually think we’re ok with or without Brooks. Douglas is pretty much the only guy in the group who can’t play slot. We may be dogshit on the outside but we’re ok with nickel back

  36. 36 DJH said at 4:03 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Turan Davenport was in BGN radio recently and he said the team does plan to play a lot of cover 2 to allow Mills to be aggressive in going for picks and PBs. They feel that’s a strength of his. But also as you point out, cover 2 plays to his weaknesses as well.

  37. 37 Ark87 said at 5:21 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Wish we were a tad more aggressive on the 3rd and 5+ yards. Seem to always call coverage to play 10 yards deep. “yeah yeah let them have the first down, maybe the QB will miss, just don’t let them have a touchdown”

  38. 38 D3FB said at 9:33 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    I looked it up late in the season and IIRC we were like 13th best in 3rd and long. It always just feels like you’re the worst team in the league.

  39. 39 Ark87 said at 12:48 AM on August 1st, 2017:

    to think we were otherwise efficient enough to carry that to what, 4th defensive DVOA? At the end of the day the corners stink, but they stunk last year and the D was fine. Up to the O to take it to the next level.

  40. 40 BobSmith77 said at 6:17 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Rather see this, maximize turnovers, and hopefully get at least average or better red zone defense.

    There will rough TOP games especially if Pederson gets pass-happy and has Wentz throw 45+ times.

  41. 41 Dragon_Eagle said at 9:00 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Our D-line can mask some of the problems, but Schwartz will need to gameplan either getting creative to disguise the safety help in the hopes of getting away with a few or saying F it – Jenkins you are doubling ODB/Dez all game long.

  42. 42 Tumtum said at 10:39 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Problem is the D-line didn’t mask anything last year. On paper are they better right now? I would say no.

  43. 43 Dragon_Eagle said at 11:23 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Or did they? Think about it.

  44. 44 peteike said at 11:55 AM on July 31st, 2017:

    Wiltz is our new Boykin

  45. 45 Benny6968 said at 12:18 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    I would like to see Howie go out and make a trade for someone like Kyle Fuller or perhaps with a CB heavy team that is in need of WR or OL or even RB help.
    We seem to have an abundance of players at certain positions but we are very light at LB and CB.
    If we can solve this problem at CB, then this team will have the best chance of winning games this season.
    Since the Eagles have invested so much into surrounding Carson with talent, it would seem like a waste if our CB was not upgraded to average at the very least.

  46. 46 peteike said at 12:41 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    ya kind of makes sense depending on who they target. That or hope D line can get pressure and help them. Maybe they are serviceable enough in that regard. Corners will get burned on every team/every game to a degree but come Monday morning that stuff doesnt matter. God forbid a lb goes down, our depth there is not great either.

  47. 47 Bert's Bells said at 3:15 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Is there such a thing as a “CB heavy” NFL team?

  48. 48 Sean Stott said at 5:34 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    I was just about to say the same. I don’t think there’s a team in the league that has better CB depth than WR depth.

  49. 49 Tumtum said at 10:38 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Would be super hyped for Fuller. He is from my town.

  50. 50 Tumtum said at 3:56 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Tommy went and said what everyone was thinking about the backfield/wr dichotomy so far. Oh well it was a fun few days!

  51. 51 CrackSammich said at 4:27 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Wow, we are just absolutely stacked at slot CB…

  52. 52 Ark87 said at 4:50 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    good, sliding Jenkins to slot CB to be adequate and losing his services as a pro-bowl safety (and replacing him with garbage) wrecked us pretty good last season.

  53. 53 CrackSammich said at 5:46 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    I mean it sarcastically in that none of our corners are good enough to play on the outside.

  54. 54 BobSmith77 said at 6:14 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Mayock was on 97.5 today and he thought the Eagles don’t even have a #2 CB on the roster right now. We wasn’t sour but acknowledged Schwartz has his work cut out for him.

  55. 55 Sean Stott said at 6:57 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Mayock is clueless, I’m kind of glad he said that it means we are loaded at CB.

  56. 56 Tumtum said at 10:35 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Love him or hate him.. he did play D1 ball at the CB position. I feel like if you value his judgment anywhere it is at CB.

  57. 57 Insomniac said at 8:03 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    He is right. Out of all of the CBs we have active right now, I only think Douglas has the potential to be a #2 CB.

  58. 58 Tumtum said at 10:34 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    And not this year..

  59. 59 BobSmith77 said at 6:21 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Bragging about the 23k crowd is pure Eagles’ marketing hype.

    They had over 45k the first year Kelly was here at the first open practice at the Linc in 2013.

  60. 60 Nailed It! said at 6:28 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Why even post about this? Haha, it was the first open practice and I still feel like 23K for a practice is a pretty large number all things considered.

  61. 61 BobSmith77 said at 6:46 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Because Tommy posted about a Tweet about it and the Eagles’ marketing dept tried pimping this last night to the reporters. It is just to provide some context.

    I get the sense there is a fair amount of interest in the team compared to last year at this time but that was before Bradford got traded.

    Last year was probably the lowest amount of interest going into trading camp (at least early on) probably since Reid’s first year here.

  62. 62 ChoTime said at 9:14 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Good catch. Context is everything, and removing it is the biggest tool for all propagandists.

  63. 63 A_T_G said at 10:07 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    So what you are saying is this was the biggest crowd in the history of inaugural open practices? Much bigger than any during the previous administration?

    Got it.

  64. 64 A Roy said at 10:28 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Yuger. The bigliest.

  65. 65 Nailed It! said at 6:31 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Just happy to be reading training camp reports again. There has been a huge drop in comments over the past few months and I hope we can get the community back to where it was last year at this time!

  66. 66 BobSmith77 said at 6:40 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Added that the Eagles can’t be 61/39 either in pass/run ratio either and said it was ‘simply way too much especially for a rookie QB.’

    Completely agree. Eagles did have some RB injuries which did make it tough but the Eagles went 1-6 when Wentz threw 40+ passes & the only win was the last meaningless game vs Cowboys.

  67. 67 Nailed It! said at 6:42 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Uh what?

  68. 68 BobSmith77 said at 6:42 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Wrong place to add my comment.

    It was to my one down below about Mayock’s comments today.

  69. 69 Fufina said at 7:43 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Its so weird, I was hyped up until the draft, and i am more confident in this team and roster than any in a decade honestly. I am feeling a sneaky 11-12 win season and at least one play off win.

    And yet i cannot quite get hyped for training camp. Maybe its just me getting older but until we get real football on the horizon i just am not feeling it this year. Maybe the sixers offseason was too hype and i just have not re-adjusted back to football yet?

    Anyone else in a similar situation at the moment?

  70. 70 Dragon_Eagle said at 8:53 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    11 or 12 wins??!!! You forgot your meds again, didn’t you?

  71. 71 ChoTime said at 9:13 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    I remember getting so hyped up in the offseason. Those were fun times. Then the first game of the season, and Randall’s knee…

  72. 72 Tumtum said at 9:57 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Well 3 days ago I was all in for Eagles…but for some reason the Orioles bought. Now I’m slightly hyped to see what they can do. Uggg.

  73. 73 Dave said at 10:05 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Maybe this will help https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/841d41661a41c9568d52de7c86898463e5f80a2a67682b6b69f582661494cfed.jpg

  74. 74 Tumtum said at 8:56 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    It always drops down in the off-season. This season was little more dead than usual because (thankfully) the team has been boring this off-season. Lets hope it leads to much more meaningful conversations this winter.

  75. 75 D3FB said at 9:31 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    This is pretty typical. Over the summer it’s typically the same smallish crew. There’s only so many times the same 7 arguments can be had. It’ll pick back up after PS games and the week 1 game thread and post game thread will have 500+ comments.

  76. 76 Sean Stott said at 6:57 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    I just got some inside info from someone who went to USC and was close to the players. I can’t wait to pile on Nelson Agholor the next time.

  77. 77 CrackSammich said at 7:03 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    cool

  78. 78 or____ said at 8:30 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    So am i understanding you right that you are holding out until you can compound negativity? Wtf?

  79. 79 Sean Stott said at 8:41 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Correct.

  80. 80 Dragon_Eagle said at 8:52 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Go Team Negadelphia!! Kick ’em when they’re down!

  81. 81 ChoTime said at 9:13 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    awesome. I can’t wait until the first week of football.

  82. 82 Tumtum said at 9:56 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Haven’t been a fan of Nelson’s but I still want to see him do well. Hate for your own team is never healthy.

  83. 83 A_T_G said at 10:03 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Pssh, old news. I heard about that months ago.

  84. 84 DJH said at 8:31 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Turan Davenport recently mentioned that Alshon and Nelson Agholor knew each other prior to Alshon joining the team. I wonder what the connection was and if Alshon’s presence has contributed to Nelson’s solid practice performances?

  85. 85 Tumtum said at 8:54 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Yeah, that’s why Nelson gave him his number, right? Nelson picked that number because of Alshon in the first place?

  86. 86 DJH said at 9:24 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Thanks I had been unaware of that:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bleedinggreennation.com/platform/amp/2017/3/11/14890198/alshon-jeffery-jersey-number-eagles-philadelphia-17-nelson-agholor-chicago-bears-uniform

  87. 87 Tumtum said at 9:54 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Hey I was kinda right on something… only kinda. Still take it.

  88. 88 P_P_K said at 8:34 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    I was talking to a buddy of mine who is a big Packers fan and works for our local community health agency. In a moment fantasy and bluster, I announced to him the Eagles were going 16-0 this year. He wants me to come in. Something about a Haldol shot.

  89. 89 Tumtum said at 8:54 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    See a surgeon about the foot in your mouth too!

  90. 90 P_P_K said at 9:02 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Right after the shrink.

  91. 91 ChoTime said at 9:12 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    OT: Happened to read an article about Baltimore fans reacting to Kaepernick’s possibly being signed there. And then the comment section. Wow… So there is like a 3 to 1 reaction, talking about 1000 votes each comment, any time anyone mentioned that they had no problem with Ray Lewis or Rice (ie, people who killed other people or beat their women), but they do have a problem with a guy who demonstrated against racism against black people. In other words, of those who commented on that article, the great majority seemed to think Kaepernick’s offense against morality was greater. This country will never cease to amaze me.

  92. 92 SteveH said at 11:07 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    I’d wager a fair bit of them would say that he was disrespecting the flag or the country, or some other jingoistic nonsense rather than just saying yeah we don’t like it when black people start making noise.

  93. 93 Dragon_Eagle said at 9:28 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    I just bet dinner on the outcome of our game against the L.A. (cough) Chargers. Dumb or not dumb?

  94. 94 Tumtum said at 9:53 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    Fair bet.

  95. 95 daveH said at 11:42 PM on July 31st, 2017:

    If it’s with Priyanka Chopra its the grrrrrrreatest bet ever