Let’s take a look at the players the Eagles are showing some interest in.
VISITS TO PHILLY
WR John Ross
WR Corey Davis
WR Mike Williams
RB Leonard Fournette
RB Dalvin Cook
DE Ryan Anderson
LB Reuben Foster
CB Marlon Humphrey
WORKOUTS / MEETINGS
WR Chris Godwin – Penn State
RB Jahad Thomas – Temple
RB Elijah Hood – UNC … Duce Staley ran his Pro Day
RB T.J. Logan – UNC … Duce Staley ran his Pro Day
RB Matt Dayes – NC State … Duce Staley at his Pro day
TE Blake Jarwin – Oklahoma State
TE Michael Roberts – Toledo
TE Adam Shaheen – Ashland
OT Olakunle Salako – Oklahoma State
OT Antonio Garcia – Troy … Jeff Stoutland at his Pro Day
OL Ethan Cooper – IUP
QB Nathan Peterman – Pitt
DT Elijah Qualls – Washington
DE Jordan Willis – Kansas State … DL coach at his Pro Day
DE T.J. Watt – Wisconsin … DL coach at his Pro Day
DE Derek Rivers – Youngstown State …assistant DL coach at his Pro Day
DE Avery Moss – Youngstown State … assistant DL coach at his Pro Day
LB Brandon Bell – Penn State … has visit, but local kid so not as meaningful
CB Chidobe Awuzie – Colorado
Multiple people at Oklahoma State Pro Day
Multiple people at Penn State Pro Day, but that’s somewhat local
Multiple people at Wisconsin Pro Day
Small School Pro Days (more noteworthy than a scout at Stanford or Florida)
Scout at UNC-Charlotte
Scout at Richmond
Scout at JMU
Scout at Harvard
Scout at Missouri State
So what does all of this mean?
Nothing definitively. These are hints about the players and positions the Eagles are interested in.
We know the Eagles need a DE and RB, and they have checked out those positions. We don’t think of TE as a need, but Brent Celek is probably entering his last season and this is a deep group of TEs so the Eagles could jump on someone if the right guy fell to them. Would they take O.J. Howard at 14? I’ve wondered about that. The Eagles haven’t shown public interest in him, but he is a terrific prospect and would be an interesting choice. I’m not advocating for the Eagles to take him, but it is good to consider all the possibilities.
I think it is interesting that the Eagles had Jeff Stoutland at Antonio Garcia’s Pro Day. Garcia is projected to be a 2nd round pick. Would the Eagles take a future LT with their 2nd rounder? That wouldn’t make many fans happy, but Jason Peters might be in his final season so this is another possibility. One thing did occur to me about the O-line. UDFAs won’t be coming to Philly. They’ll see how deep the line is already and go somewhere that gives them a better chance of making the roster. The Eagles will need to draft an OL if they want one, or go for small school UDFAs who will be less choosy.
Always keep in mind that the draft should be as much about the future as the upcoming season.
There are plenty of Pro Days still to come so the Eagles will be doing more scouting in the next week or so. And more prospects will be visiting the NovaCare Complex to meet with the Eagles. The team can bring in 30 players for visits, plus all the local guys they want. Players have to live in or go to college in the metropolitan area to be considered local. Temple is local, Penn State isn’t. Unless you are a kid from Philly who went to PSU.
Here is a quick look at Awuzie from Colorado. I think a 3-4 team that does a lot of blitzing would love him. Great off the edge. Good cover guy as well.
I'd be surprised if Colorado CB, Chidobe Awuzie, doesn't end up receiving a first round grade from me; he has everything you look for. pic.twitter.com/TSpYg9nXyt
You guys have asked some questions in the past week or so and I’ll address as many as I can.
Do you think the Eagles draft Dalvin Cook at 14? No, I don’t. I am not a big fan of spending 1st round picks on RBs. As I’ve written here, Cook is the kind of special player that could make me make an exception to that. He was a great player for Florida State the past 3 years and would be a terrific fit in the Eagles offense. But…there are just too many issues with him. Character. Medical. Fumbles. Bad showing at the Combine. Cook is incredibly talented, but you want a pick that high to be someone you’re really comfortable with.
All that said, I am judging things from the outside. The Eagles met Cook. They talked to him. They had their doctors check him out. They could come away from that feeling different. It is possible he will be in the mix at 14, but I think that is a long shot.
What will happen at RB? Howie Roseman talked about aggressively addressing the position. That doesn’t mean pick 14 will be used. Heck, that doesn’t even mean it will be a 2nd round pick. The Eagles are checking out a lot of RBs and they will have a few targeted. They might like a guy who is going to be a 4th round pick. Or they might hope Cook slides into the 2nd round and they’ll go get him. They know it is important to find a talented RB to pair with Wentz. They will choose a few and hope to land one of those guys.
Wouldn't you rather have McCaffrey? Better in every combine metric, had better hands and route running https://t.co/ASb3o41NhC
McCaffrey is a terrific player and he would be a real interesting addition to the offense. I know some people doing mock drafts have had him going to the Eagles at 14. I like McCaffrey, but I just don’t know that he’s the 14th best player in this class. That feels a bit rich to me. You question the wisdom of using a pick that high on a RB. The argument for him is that he also is a gifted receiver and returner so he can handle multiple roles. I would be surprised if the Eagles went for him at 14.
In regard to character questions, didn’t the Eagles show you what they think by signing Mike Vick back in 2009? Fair question. The answer is yes and no. That did show that Jeffrey Lurie is willing to keep an open mind and take chances on players. At the same time, Vick was coming out of federal prison. He had paid for his crimes in a major way. That’s different that hitting a woman and facing relatively minimal repercussions.
Also, the Eagles didn’t invest anything in Vick. He didn’t cost a draft pick. He was cheap to sign. If the Eagles spend a 1st, 2nd or 3rd round pick on a turd and he gets in trouble, that’s essentially throwing that pick away. That can hurt a franchise for several years. I do think Lurie will have an open mind and listen to his football people, but this is a very different situation.
@lawlornfl if Revis is willing to play for the league minumum signing him should be a no brainer for the Eagles, no?
Won’t happen. Revis wants good money. I’ve read somewhere that he won’t play for less than $8M per year. I could be off on the amount by a little, but it was a report I saw recently. I have no interest in Revis at that kind of price. If he was available cheap, maybe. Honestly, though, the Eagles really should focus on finding long term solutions at CB. The constant shuffling of starting CBs is bad. They need to find a couple of guys they can play and develop. There would be some growing pains, but that would really benefit the team in the long term.
@lawlornfl Hi Tommy, any chance the Birds are expecting Alex McCalister to step up and contribute this year?
I’m sure the Eagles would love McCalister to take a big step forward. He has a terrific frame and he has bulked up from last summer. I do not know if he is big enough and strong enough to handle NFL blockers. McCalister is a natural pass rusher and showed good potential at Florida so there is something to work with. This isn’t hoping some slappy at the bottom of the roster magically finds talent. McCalister does have NFL ability. It would certainly help if he could contribute this year.
A few of you have asked about pass rushers in the 1st round. I think there is a decent chance the Eagles take a DE. Derek Barnett from Tennessee is the most logical target, due to value, fit and the whole package. I will write up a post on DEs that the Eagles could consider at 14.
I know a lot of people think the Eagles will go CB at 14. That is a great fit in terms of need. The Sidney Jones injury takes away a player who would be the right value. I’m not sure about other CBs being worth pick 14.
I will say that the more I watch Marlon Humphrey from Alabama, the more he grows on me.
It is easy to say that, but reality is so much trickier. Are fans willing to cheer for players with serious questions in their past?
Football is a brutal, primal game. We talk all the time about character, but the clean guys Chip Kelly loaded the roster with didn’t exactly win a ton of games. It is unfortunate that sometimes the best players are highly flawed human beings. Reggie White was the anomaly, not the norm. He was a guy you could be proud of on and off the field.
Think about a pair of recent Florida State QBs. E.J. Manuel had no character issues at FSU. He had a good career, going 25-6 as a starter. He was a good student. Manuel was drafted in the 1st round, but that was a mistake. For all his good traits, he was a flawed prospect on the field. Jameis Winston is a very different subject. He was a great college player and led his team to the national title. There was no question that he deserved to be a high pick.
Except for character.
Winston was accused of rape. He avoided prosecution, but did settle a civil suit with his accuser. Beyond that horrific situation, he had other legal issues. There is also the fact that he handled the rape allegation so poorly. He never seemed to grasp the gravity of the situation and acted as if nothing happened. Even if he was innocent, being accused of something like that should be overwhelming and really affect the way you act.
I will never be comfortable with Winston. I’ll always think of the rape accusation when I think of him.
If I had to choose either Manuel or Winston to lead a TD drive to save my life, there is no question that Winston would be the choice. He is an infinitely better football player. And that’s what makes football and character such a complex marriage. If you want to win games, you simply cannot have the best people. You must be willing to embrace some turds, for lack of a more eloquent phrase.
Will the Eagles do that this year?
Ezekiel Elliott would seem to be heading to the turd category right now, but he had a brilliant rookie season for Dallas and is already one of the best RBs in the NFL. He’s a special player so he might be worth the headache. You know the Eagles front office had to be thinking about Elliott when they brought in Dalvin Cook for a visit. He could be their talented turd/star runner.
The Eagles could go for CB Teez Tabor in the 2nd round. He hasn’t assaulted anyone, but apparently has multiple positive drug tests. That’s also reportedly an issue with Alabama pass rusher Tim Williams. Michigan CB Jourdain Lewis was recently charged with domestic violence. The Eagles could use CB help, but is he a guy you want to draft?
Oklahoma has a pair of very talented prospects. Dede Westbrook is one of the best receivers in the draft. Joe Mixon has 1st round talent and looks like a special RB at times. But boy do they have issues. Westbrook had a couple of troubling incidents.
Westbrook was accused of throwing the mother of his two children to the ground in 2012 and biting the same woman’s arm and punching her with a closed fist in 2013, according to the report. Westbrook was never convicted in either incident, however.
Mixon is well known at this point. He punched a fellow OU student back in 2014, leaving her with 4 broken bones. The video is troubling to say the least. It is one thing to hear about arrests or drug tests or charges, but seeing the incident makes it feel so much more real.
It would be easy to say the Eagles should take all of these players off their draft board. Who wants to cheer for guys like that?
Kansas City took a chance on Tyreek Hill last year and he turned out to be hugely important for them. Hill was kicked out of Oklahoma State for choking his pregnant girlfriend. That’s about as troubling as it gets. He went to West Alabama and finished his college career. KC took him in the 5th round and he was a key reason that team got to the playoffs last year. Without Hill, they don’t make it.
Should they be embarrassed by having Hill on their team? Should they apologize for his success?
We all have to decide what we can live with.
I don’t believe in drawing a line in the sand. I know it is a cliche, but I do believe things have to be done on a case-by-case basis. One of the issues here is that we’re talking about young men. I was a better, more responsible person at 25 than I was at 20. Part of that is due to learning from mistakes. I never choked a pregnant woman, though, and that’s a huge difference. Being a knucklehead who drinks too much beer is worlds different from someone who is violent, especially with women.
In some cases, circumstances matter. Laveranues Coles had multiple issues prior to the NFL. Assault. Academic suspension. Theft. Improper benefits. He was finally kicked off the Florida State team. Quite the scumbag, right? It turns out he was sexually abused as a kid and that affected him for a long time. Becoming an adult and getting into the environment of professional football brought out the best in him. To my knowledge, he never got in trouble in the NFL and was generally considered a good player and good teammate.
Coles is the anomaly for the most part, but that’s why it is important for teams to judge players as individuals and not just draw a line in the sand.
I think one of the keys to taking a chance on a player with character issues is that you need to put that guy in the right environment. Think about Hill in KC. He had a strong head coach in Andy Reid. Alex Smith is a veteran QB and good leader. Jamal Charles, Derrick Johnson, Tamba Hali and Eric Berry were the kind of team leaders who create a strong environment and police themselves. That’s a good situation for Hill.
Are the Eagles ready to handle a troubled player?
Carson Wentz is a young QB, but has already proven to be a good leader. Darren Sproles, Brent Celek, Jason Peters and Malcolm Jenkins are big time team leaders. Doug Pederson is only in his second year as coach, but he learned under Reid and seems to have a good feel for the locker room. I don’t think Pederson would bring in a questionable player if he thought his players couldn’t handle the situation.
The Eagles took players with some issues late last year. Jalen Mills and Alex McAlister each fell in the draft due to character concerns. Spending an early pick on Cook or the other players mentioned above would be a completely different story. That player would have high expectations and would be under a microscope. Every action would be heavily scrutinized.
The flip side is that the Eagles would be adding a key talent that could make the team better. Maybe much better. Risk. Reward.
Howie Roseman, Joe Douglas, Doug Pederson and the rest of the front office have to decide if this is the right time to take a chance on a player and if that player is in this class. Trying to balance having a team the city can be proud of and a team that can win games is a tough task. I don’t envy them some of the decisions they’ll have to make in the next month.
The Eagles have to spend pick 14 on a CB, right? That is a critical position and the Eagles don’t have much there. Or maybe the team will add an impact runner or receiver, someone to play with Carson Wentz for the next 5 to 10 years. That would certainly make a lot of sense.
The DE class is loaded, the DT class isn’t. There are only a couple of possibilities for DT at 14. The first would involve Alabama star Jonathan Allen falling. That may seem unlikely due to his reputation, but there are some concerns about his shoulders. If Allen were to slide, the Eagles would have a chance to take a terrific, but flawed prospect. The only reason he would slide is if teams were genuinely worried about how arthritic his shoulders truly are.
I don’t anticipate Allen sliding, but it is possible. Allen is a gifted DL and would be interesting to pair with Fletcher Cox. Even though I don’t think it will happen, I’m sure the Eagles will discuss what they would do if Allen did tumble down in the draft.
Malik McDowell is a more realistic possibility. The 6-6, 295 Junior from Michigan State would be a really interesting addition to the Eagles.
The question with McDowell is value. He won’t be a 1st round pick to everyone. Others will see him as a Top 20 guy. I think he would interest the Eagles. I don’t know for a fact they like him, but he makes sense. Jim Schwartz loves long, tall DL. McDowell is 6-6 and has arms that are almost 35 inches long. He is versatile. McDowell can play nose tackle, under tackle and end.
McDowell didn’t have a great 2016 season. The whole Michigan State team was down. Ideally, you would like a talented veteran like McDowell to play well and make the guys around him better. Instead, he didn’t play consistently well and also missed 3 games due to an ankle injury. McDowell is a Top 15 talent, but he didn’t play anywhere close to that level last year.
The Eagles talk about wanting hard-working, tough guys that are highly competitive. McDowell’s 2016 season did not show him to be that guy. There would be risk in taking a player like him. At the same time, if things click, he could be an inside force to pair with Cox for the next 5 years.
My point here isn’t to say the Eagles should draft McDowell, but I think we can get trapped in a cycle of talking about the same prospects over and over. The Eagles might have some player in their sights that we’re overlooking.
While this isn’t a great DT class, the Eagles will have targets in other rounds. Nazair Jones has a very similar build to McDowell and is a talented DT. He is more of a mid-round target.
Nazair Jones fantastic job using his hands to keep cut block off of him, then closes to collect TFL of RBhttps://t.co/isO4U6i1Kt
Jones isn’t much of a pass rusher. He is more of a run-stuffer, but that might work well with Cox. We don’t really know what the Eagles are looking for. Jim Schwartz loves pass rushers, but with Graham, Curry, Cox and whoever the team adds at DE, he might like a run defender to add to the mix.
We’ve got a lot to learn with Joe Douglas being new to the draft this year and Schwartz also having some say about who he wants.
The Eagles are taking a look at some really talented runners and receivers. But what do the visits mean?
Players cannot work out when they go to team facilities. That has to be done on the campus of the prospect. Teams bring prospects to them usually for a medical or character concern. Davis has an ankle injry. Fournette missed time this year with an ankle injury. Cook has medical and character concerns. Williams had a serious neck injury that cost him almost all of 2015.
No matter how much you love a player’s game tape, you have to check out these other factors before assigning that player a draft grade. Durability and character are critical to success for pro prospects.
Teams are not going to waste visits. They are allowed to bring in 30 prospects (plus all the local kids they want). Teams need those 30 visits to count. Now you have to understand that not all visits go well. The team can have genuine interest when they meet with a prospect and a couple of hours later they can be removing him from the draft board. That happened with one prospect last year.
Just because the Eagles brought in Cook doesn’t mean they will take him at pick 14. If anything, I would bet against that.
There are some smokescreen visits. Tom Heckert admitted to this a few years back. Since Howie Roseman learned from him, I assume the Eagles still do this. It isn’t something you would necessarily do every season and you certainly wouldn’t do it much because there are so few visits. Still, it is something to keep in mind.
The key thing to take away from all of this is that visits don’t mean the Eagles love those prospects. They had questions and wanted some answers.
Visits do matter.
All those prospects visited the NovaCare Complex. All were 1st round picks of the Eagles. Just because you come to Philly doesn’t mean you will be drafted, but if you are drafted early by the Eagles, you probably did visit. Does that make sense?
Chip Kelly really drafted guys that visited. That was true of 1st round picks, but also Jaylen Watkins, Ed Reynolds, Taylor Hart and even a UDFA like Travis Raciti. Chip loved to meet with players and lock in on them.
Last year late round guys like Blake Countess, Alex McAlister and Wendell Smallwood all visited the Eagles. Be sure to pay attention to who comes in for a visit, but be careful not to draw any definitive conclusions.
What we know so far this year.
WR John Ross
WR Corey Davis
WR Mike Williams
RB Dalvin Cook
RB Leonard Fournette
DE Ryan Anderson
LB Reuben Foster
CB Marlon Humphrey
A few of you have asked me to list my top 15 or 20 prospects. That way you can have an idea of who the Eagles might be looking at for pick 14. I am still working on my draft research, but will do that soon. I will tell you now that I won’t have any QBs in that group, but there could be one or two that go before the Eagles pick. Heck, it is possible three could go if teams are desperate enough.
The Eagles had assistant DL coach Phillip Daniels at Wisconsin’s Pro Day. I’m sure he was checking out T.J. Watt, J.J.’s little brother. Watt played OLB for the Badgers in their 3-4 scheme, but would be a DE in the 4-3. Watt is 6-4, 252 and a good athlete.
Nice long arm tech from TJ Watt. He let this play get away from him with some help from RT 59 (*mighty* close to a hold as passes Barrett) pic.twitter.com/P1ubj4VYmD
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