Posted: November 13th, 2011 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 148 Comments »

ARZ 21, PHI 17

I can’t believe I just typed that.

Ridiculously awful game from a lot of people, coaches and players.  I’m just dumbfounded.

What a season.  As a Penn State and Eagles fan I have to say this is pretty much a football nightmare.

Wow, just wow.  Horrible.

148 Comments on “Horrible”

  1. 1 the guy said at 4:26 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    They are who we thought they were.

  2. 2 Anonymous said at 4:26 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    I couldn’t even imagine a loss today. Wow.

  3. 3 Anonymous said at 4:28 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    at least, the team got to show desean who’s boss…………………….

  4. 4 Anonymous said at 4:38 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Really? Surprised?

  5. 5 Anonymous said at 4:28 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Rebuilding year… we should get some decent draft picks next year.

    TB lost too – we have their 4th.

  6. 6 Jon Blank said at 4:33 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Since Andy and co have done since a masterful job with the draft the last 2 years….

  7. 7 Anonymous said at 4:45 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    I had this thought, too. We all thought last year was the rebuilding year and were surprised. I think we were just off by a year.

  8. 8 Thorin McGee said at 8:06 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Yeah. I feel like the short offseason clearly hit this team harder than the others, I just hope they can get some good picks and figure things out for next season.

  9. 9 Morton said at 7:59 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    The only way this will be salvation is if someone else is doing the drafting.

  10. 10 Jon Blank said at 4:32 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Juan deserves to be fired today and Andy at the end of the season. That isn’t even debatable at this point.

  11. 11 Steve H said at 4:33 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    I missed most of the game today (and then fox cut to the Giants game late in the 4th), any chance someone can give me a recap of why we lost to the Cardinals?

  12. 12 Anonymous said at 4:34 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Because we suck.

  13. 13 Anonymous said at 4:38 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    But to put a finer point on it: Rookie LB and safety covering Fitz 1-on-1. Mike Vick and the pick machine. Steve Smith is a fvcking moron. And, as Reid is so inclined to do, we completely gave up on the run. I’ll be surprised if the stat sheet shows McCoy with more than 10 carries.

  14. 14 Anonymous said at 9:32 AM on November 14th, 2011:

    i think he had 14. but he went for like 85 yards.
    i believe the stat sheet shows shady with 14 touches for 85 yards, and the rest of the offense got less than 150. why oh why doesnt he get the ball more???

  15. 15 Jon Blank said at 4:37 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Dropped balls, penalties, interceptions, bad game from Vick, bad job by Juan and co once again in the 4th, the usual crap.

  16. 16 Anonymous said at 4:37 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Turnovers and penalties. Dumb play.

    Cards made big plays at critical moments.

    Vick sucked.

  17. 17 Anonymous said at 4:39 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Vick really really did Suck.

    He’s sucked since the Miracle at the New Meadowlands. A game in which he sucked.

  18. 18 Anonymous said at 4:34 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    And that’s the season. Right now, this team looks like it will struggle to win more than a game or two for the rest of the season.

  19. 19 Jon Blank said at 4:34 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    This team no longer believes in Andy. I can’t see how you could watch a performance like this in a must win game and come to a different conclusion.

  20. 20 Anonymous said at 4:39 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    What? Nnamdi lines up offside and that’s on Andy? Chaney is burned on pass and that’s on Andy? Vick overthrows guys several times. That’s on Andy?

    We know you hate Reid, but don’t be silly.

    The coaches did a poor job, but the players were even worse. Everyone is to blame for this and it has nothing to do with faith in the coaching staff.

  21. 21 Anonymous said at 4:42 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Don’t forget Coleman’s missed tackle. Reid needs to put him in a better position to succeed. You know, 8 inches to the right.

  22. 22 Anonymous said at 4:44 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    If any of the players mention being the better team, or being a great team, or ‘Just no putting it together’ this week I may explode.

    You’re right, they were flat out bad once again this week and they need to realise it.

  23. 23 Jon Blank said at 4:49 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Sucks that you missed the game. Had you watched, you would have seen a team completely uninspired that has very obviously given up on its coach.

  24. 24 Anonymous said at 4:59 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Someone has blinders on – and it ain’t you or me or the 99% out there.

  25. 25 Anonymous said at 5:11 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Don’t be a dick. No one is happy, except Morton, but there is no reason to be rude to the host..

    I didn’t see guys that gave up. I saw guys selling out their bodies and guys with their heart fully in the game. I also saw a QB make poor decision after poor decision, and OC that called a dumb game, and Steve Smith who, first, didn’t fight for yards when he should have and then was sucking wind so bad that he couldn’t run at the end of the game.

    I think everyone can agree that Vick sucked. Can you honestly say that he didn’t want to win? Give us a couple examples where guys had a chance to make a play but chose not to because their heart wasn’t in it.

  26. 26 Jon Blank said at 5:17 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    I don’t know what you were watching either then. Was it all heart when Steve Smith dived 2 yards short of a first with no one around him? What about all the drops? Were those indicative of a team concentrating on the job at hand? What about the complete lack of urgency on the final drive with the season on the line? It reeked of something, but it sure wasn’t heart.

    I apologize to Tommy for my harsh disagreement. I think we are all a little upset right now.

  27. 27 Anonymous said at 5:31 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    I’ll give you Smith (actually, I’ll give him to you free of charge), that was a guy not giving his all.

    The other stuff is lack of execution or concentration, or whatever. To me, that is a separate problem from heart. The players still want to win, they are just failing.

    I don’t know that that is better, or that it speaks much better of the coaching staff, but it is definitely different.

  28. 28 Jon Blank said at 5:55 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Heart isn’t the players wanting to win, it’s giving it all to make it happen. I’m sure the players want to win, but they sure aren’t giving their all to make it happen.

  29. 29 Anonymous said at 7:08 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    I don’t know, I just don’t see that. Players aren’t laughing and joking on the sidelines while they are losing, because they care.

    But also, guys are making mistakes because they are trying to do too much, not because they are refusing to give their all. Guys are fumbling while fighting for yards. Guys are failing to get out of bounds because the want to fight for more. Vick is getting hammered trying to get to the first down. Coleman is selling out to stop Ducett. Guys are over-pursuing because they want to get to the running back.

    What are you looking for from players during a losing effort to show they have heart? Are they supposed to yell and scream at each other? That shows less leadership, not more heart.

  30. 30 Jon Blank said at 7:18 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Most of the things you are talking about aren’t describing this game. They were completely uninspired, especially on offense. Even the idiot commentators noticed it. Again, I’m sure the players want to win. It just didn’t seem like they felt like putting forth the effort that it required to do so today.

    Again, I’m not talking about post game reactions, I’m talking about stupid mental mistakes and a general lack of focus, on top of a less than stellar effort.

  31. 31 Anonymous said at 8:11 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    We are getting pretty thin here, maybe we just leave it at disagreeing. I agree with the focus and the mistakes, but (other than Smith, who is still on the table) I haven’t seen the less than stellar EFFORT.

    Again, what would you see as heart in a game where a team is outplayed? Or are you saying that simply being outplayed means a lack of heart?

  32. 32 Zachary said at 7:32 PM on November 13th, 2011:


    This is a sinking ship and the captain always goes down with his ship. Reid’s ship has taken on a lot of water…he’s about to go down. So yeah, I blame him for pretty much everything.

    Nnamdi offsides? Chaney burned? Vick terrible? Reid makes the play calls, hires the coaches and picks his players. At some point, Reid’s chubby little fingers are all over this loss and every loss.

  33. 33 Morton said at 8:00 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Who is responsible for the poor drafts? Who is responsible for the Juan Castillo hiring? Who is responsible for the free agent spending spree that has produced a bushel of duds?

  34. 34 Gregory Post said at 8:09 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Tommy, its has to be somewhat with faith in the coaching staff. At least, it seems like there is a clear leadership problem in the locker room. Some of this stuff has to do with poor confidence, because we’re seeing sure-handed receivers dropping balls and Mike Vick overthrowing his receivers several times. Maybe its on Andy, Marty or Juan. I know the Eagles have had awful games but this is by far the worst they have played this season.

  35. 35 Anonymous said at 11:24 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    You are truly a gifted writer and evaluator of talent. However, with the utmost of respect–as I understand that this is your blog–you are wrong. Reid has lost elements of this team. I think that in every instance of a coach losing his team, there were always only a small minority of players who stop playing for the coach. I think that is what we have here. I will give you a few examples of players displaying an I don’t give shit mentality and quitting on the field.

    1. DRC last week. He lets his guy catch the ball and then he just claps his hands in frustration and waits for someone else to come tackle the guy.

    2. Against Buffalo I think–DRC and Asomugha, multiple times are caught walking on the field–WHILE THE PLAY IS GOING ON!

    3. Finally, Asante’s refusal to play closer to the receiver off of the line has been a huge issue for us since we signed him. And it has been published that the coaches are upset when he does it, but he still does it. WTF kind of cracker jack coaching team takes that crap?

    Seriously, I might vomit if I have to hear any more apologies or explanations for Reid. He makes the dumbest and most arrogant decisions and he gets a pass. Why does every two minute drill we have ever run since Reid was coach look like it is in slow motion? I am sure this is where someone will say it is the players fault, but at some point the coaches have to instill a sense of efficient urgency in them. Also, I find it more than coincidental that we have had this same issue throughout the years, regardless of the QB.

    Anyway, how did Jarrett look to you? I am excited because I actually saw a few decent hits out of him. He seemed out of position in passing downs a few times but that is to be expected for rookie.

  36. 36 Anonymous said at 9:35 AM on November 14th, 2011:

    i thought i saw DRC do that again this week. wasnt quite as blatant…he didnt completely stop running after the guy this time, but he did seem to give up on the play.

  37. 37 Anonymous said at 4:35 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    So. Who wants to talk draft??

  38. 38 Jeppe Elmelund van Ee said at 4:35 PM on November 13th, 2011:


    Please share some thoughts about how we turn this around for next year! Maybe you can make a post instead of a DGR?

    Which coach can become our new DC? Which position-coach has been awesome this year? How much can we get for D. Jackson? 1st + 3rd? Asante?

    What positions do we need to strengthen in the first few rounds in April?

    Please write about something else than this season – I can’t stand another line about this hideous season!!!!

  39. 39 Mac said at 5:44 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Part of the DGR is to come up with constructive thought about the game. Something that is very difficult right after a game is over (actually, whether it’s a win or a loss).

    Let’s not lose sight of the fact that this game wasn’t 21-17… it was actually 27-17 (2 gift field goal misses just like the 49ers game).

    I always find Tommy’s break down of the game to be enlightening. I can already recall plays or even whole series where the team looked good. The question is… what was happening when it wasn’t working? There were a lot of run plays that were blown up, and to me again it looked like Nnamdi was directing traffic up to the last second before the snap instead of just locking in on his man… as a couple examples.

  40. 40 Anonymous said at 4:37 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    As a die-hard PSU and Philly fan, I’ve never experienced a low like this in my life.

    I just cannot fathom how this team has regressed in the manner they have this year. They are just brutal to watch. Honestly, this is by far the least likeable Eagles team ever. There’s really no redeeming quality or personalities with regards to this team.

  41. 41 Mac said at 5:47 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    There was one play… at the end of the game where Mike Patterson worked to get the crowd in the game, and guess what… They responded! Why the hell are these players on defense not doing more of that? Do they think that they suck so bad that they’re afraid no one will cheer them on? I see a defense with almost no leadership on the field, and while there are certainly more tangible problems (hello tackling) but… it’s time for at least one of these “high character” team leaders to step up and be a leader.

  42. 42 Anonymous said at 4:37 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    The pussies in the front office won’t do a damn thing either. Someone needs to be held accountable. I’d clean house. MM and Juan gone. MM has gotten predictable, and stupid. Calling three straight passes in the 4th qtr when ur up a touchdown? Two were incomplete?!? But like it was said before. Win or loses don’t matter. Desean was taught a moral lesson. That is what is important today.

  43. 43 Daniel Rodriguez said at 4:42 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Um…yeah…it just went through my head…WOW. I just took my jersey off. And to think, I am supposed to go to the Seahawks and Eagles game…not sure I even want to do that now. We officially SUCK!!! Everyone’s arguments were that we were playing teams with winning records…HOW ABOUT NOW!!! I never comment but man, I need some antacid.

  44. 44 Anonymous said at 4:43 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Nice timing by AR to deactivate Desean. I guess that sums up his season any way. Take cafe big fella.

  45. 45 Ron Longley said at 4:45 PM on November 13th, 2011:


  46. 46 Mac said at 5:48 PM on November 13th, 2011:


  47. 47 Anonymous said at 4:46 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    I posted this in the game thread after it ended, but no one is going to return to that crime scene:

    I don’t believe the view that the DeSean benching was a negotiations ploy, but if it was, it backfired. After watching what the offense looks like without him, I am ready to pitch in for his new contract.

  48. 48 the guy said at 4:50 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Aside from LeSean McCoy, the offense has been bad all year. Maybe not this bad, but bad.

    They came into the game scoring 3 points a game in the 4th quarter, despite all the blown 4th quarter leads. This week, with a blown 4th quarter lead, they scored 3 points.

  49. 49 Anonymous said at 5:14 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Playing against a much weaker defense, this was a much less potent offense than the one that has taken the field throughout the season.

  50. 50 Mac said at 5:52 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    WR corps looked really weak today. So many dropped passes I felt like I was watching Reggie Brown again.

    Vick left 6 on the field with that turd to Celek early in the game too.

    I was hopeful that Vick’s character had changed when I saw how passionate he looked in the pre-season. Watching him go to the sideline and just hang his head while Cooper slapped his knee… just doesn’t look like a fired up team leader. Looks like a “talented” guy who probably assumes the rest of the team isn’t up on his level. Obviously I’m not in his head… I’d kinda like to know what the dynamics are of this team.

  51. 51 Anonymous said at 4:47 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Tommy, 5th blown 4th quarter lead of the season… are we entering NFL record territory? Could Juan Castillo be the worst 4th quarter defensive coordinator in the history of the NFL?

  52. 52 Anonymous said at 4:52 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    The offence has been appalling in the fourth as well.

  53. 53 Anonymous said at 4:59 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    According to Reuben Frank, we’ve tied the record and set the record for most blown 4th quarter leads at home.

    This truly is a dream team, just not the dream we had in mind.

  54. 54 Anonymous said at 9:38 AM on November 14th, 2011:

    and we’ve only actually PLAYED 5 home games….

    5 home games –> 4 blown 4th qtr leads in those 5 games. wow. just…wow…

  55. 55 Jon Blank said at 4:47 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Eagles player of the game: Desean Jackson.

  56. 56 Mac said at 5:53 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Toss up between Landri and Colt Anderson.

  57. 57 Anonymous said at 4:50 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Does this really suprise anyone? Pretty much the same crap we’ve seen all year, they had their chances but they cannot come up big when it matters.

  58. 58 Mac said at 5:54 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    I was telling my GF that when there were about 5:00 left on the clock… her response was that i could switch and become a Raven’s fan like her.

  59. 59 Jon Blank said at 6:10 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    The Ravens are getting killed by the seahawks. Your house must be fun right now….

  60. 60 Mac said at 6:21 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Luckily for me… she has switched to making cookies with the game in the background instead of just focusing on the game. lol

  61. 61 Thorin McGee said at 7:18 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Your teams lose and she bakes cookies? Marry that one.

  62. 62 Anonymous said at 9:22 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    also in a ravens eagles household. Not a good night. Spent 7 hours in a bar while on vacation in florida to watch both of those awful games…

  63. 63 Mac said at 10:53 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    That’s dedication right there.

  64. 64 Anonymous said at 9:26 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    True wisdom.

  65. 65 Mac said at 10:52 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Excellent point!

  66. 66 Scott Buchanan said at 4:51 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Take an average Oline coach and make him your DC and what do you get??? Andy should be fired for this move alone

  67. 67 the guy said at 4:55 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Just to check, you guys do realize the Eagles offense managed to score 10 points against one of the worst defenses in the league right?

    The defense is bad, but come on.

  68. 68 Jon Blank said at 4:57 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    The offense was terrible, but the Defense still had a 7 and a 3 point lead in the 4th quarter. They managed to blow 2 4th quarter leads to a terrible team starting their backup QB.

  69. 69 the guy said at 5:04 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Without the defensive score the Eagles wouldn’t have had the lead at any point in that game.

    You may not like how they played him, but getting beat by Larry Fitzgerald isn’t embarassing. The way the offense played was definitely embarassing, and DeSean and Maclin being out is no excuse.

  70. 70 Jon Blank said at 5:09 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Getting beat by Fitzgerald is embarrassing when you are covering him with linebackers and safeties. Why is Fitzgerald single covered by the rookie safety on a critical 4th quarter drive? Badly outschemed again. Not surprising with an idiot mediocre offensive line coach running things.

  71. 71 Mac said at 5:56 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    I’m am kind of seeing some potential in Jarrett, but yes I was seething to see him 1 on 1 vs arguably the most dangerous WR in the league. I mean really WTF?

  72. 72 Jon Blank said at 6:11 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    In his first start no less. I don’t blame Jarrett for that at all. Horrible, horrible job by Juan putting him in that situation with the game on the line.

    In fact, Juan should be banned from talking to any first or second year players so he doesn’t ruin their careers.

  73. 73 Anonymous said at 9:42 AM on November 14th, 2011:

    what i have to say is kudos to the cards OC. they were constantly moving Fitz all over the field to get the matchup they wanted.

    where is the counter move by our DC? does he not see what the offense is trying to do? why does he not match up samuel or asomugha on him whenever he is on their respective side of the field?
    why is DRC still playing so much in the slot?

    everything happening on defense is just so maddeningly frustrating.
    i can’t believe that i stuck up for juan for so long with this defense. i wanted to believe he could run this D. nope. chuck testa.

  74. 74 Anonymous said at 5:00 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    When you do have the 3rd, 4th and 5th WRs out there AND you still refuse to run the ball…voila!

  75. 75 Anonymous said at 4:56 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    The players are making hard to root for this team, that said, I will keep cheering until game 16. If we only make one move in the offseason, I want it to be firing Juan and getting a smart, upcoming DC or really anyone with Defensive experience in the NFL.

  76. 76 Jon Blank said at 5:00 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Only on the Eagles could Desean be benched and actually increase his potential contract value by showing how absolutely pathetic this offense is without him.

  77. 77 Anonymous said at 5:02 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Like I said, this was like that Oakland debacle of a few years back.
    And Tommy, you forgot the key word: Unacceptable.
    Hopefully Lurie got the message today and will make the change tomorrow, if not tonight.

  78. 78 Scott Buchanan said at 5:09 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    I just saw Juans post game interview…what a fucking joke…that better be his last interview..period

  79. 79 Mac said at 5:57 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Juan is a good coach and a good football guy in general. I have been advocating giving him a whole season to work it out… but it’s becoming quite clear that he isn’t cut out to be DC in the NFL.

  80. 80 Daniel Suraci said at 6:06 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    He just does not understand coverages at all. He kept a rookie or LB on Fitzgerald the entire game and played zone 5 yards off on the Cardinal’s last TD pass.

  81. 81 Anonymous said at 5:15 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    He looked broken. Any chance he got a phone call?

  82. 82 Anonymous said at 5:16 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    He’s just passionate, that has never been a problem.

  83. 83 Anonymous said at 5:17 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Do you think this will add to the QB controversy in Arizona, or will Cardinals fans temper their excitement with the knowledge that Skelton’s performances have come against the Rams and Eagles?

  84. 84 Jon Blank said at 5:20 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Maybe they could trade Kolb back to Andy.

  85. 85 Daniel Suraci said at 6:05 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Definitely will flame the QB controversy. Kolb has looked horrendous out there.

  86. 86 Daniel Suraci said at 5:32 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    At points the Cardinals had two defensive linemen rushing and we still passed. This was a failure of coaching just as much as the players failed to execute.

  87. 87 Daniel Suraci said at 5:42 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Also can we fire Juan now?

  88. 88 Anonymous said at 11:30 AM on November 14th, 2011:

    I saw that I thought the play calling was pathetic.

  89. 89 Anonymous said at 5:36 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    At this point, I don’t think anyone can honestly argue with the fact that this team is soft. 5 four quarter blown leads, 4 at home, players consistently and repeatedly shooting themselves in the foot, a dc who doesn’t know how to use the players he has, head coach/offensive coordinator who criminally under-utilize the team MVP (14 carries in a game we led the majority of the time with no DeSean and Maclin being out a few series?!?!?!?!?!?). This team has checked out (or more accurately, never checked in) and is simply pathetic.

    On a separate but related note, barring an undeserved and unrealistic miracle, AR should be fired at the end of the season. I realize Tommy and maybe a few others disagree, but at this point, dismissing the conversation is not good enough and is disingenuous.

  90. 90 Anonymous said at 5:39 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    I blame Dave Spadaro. It’s a culture of incompetence that starts at the bottom and goes all the way up to the top.

  91. 91 Steve H said at 7:05 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    lol, this made me laugh.

  92. 92 Anonymous said at 7:05 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Awesome. Lol

  93. 93 Anonymous said at 7:27 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    haha, the fact that u mentioned my favorite punching bag, Spuds, just made me very happy.

  94. 94 Anonymous said at 5:50 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    You know what is wrong with this defense. It’s the fact that Asante HAS to play on his side only. So everytime you need a play, you just line your best receiver on his side somewhere and it dictates what you can do. Thats how you end up covering fitzgerald with safeties and linebackers. I can’t believe a guy is so selfish he won’t allow the coaches to move him around.

  95. 95 Jon Blank said at 5:57 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    If Juan and Andy are letting that happen to the detriment of the football team then they both need to be fired immediately.

  96. 96 Anonymous said at 6:12 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    I don’t think they should be fired over that one thing. There’s a whole list….This team actually plays well when they “are put in a position.” This is a completely different game if Nnamdi gets to follow Fitz around all game. We win 17-14. It’s frustrating, but they know Asante would tear this team apart from the inside if they MADE him move.

  97. 97 Jon Blank said at 6:22 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    So bench him. Had no problem benching Desean for missing a meeting, and they definitely needed him today. If Asante is going to throw a fit because he’s not comfortable even if its better for the team, then he should be benched.

    And yes, there is a huge long laundry list of reasons to fire the coaching staff.

  98. 98 Anonymous said at 9:45 AM on November 14th, 2011:

    i thought i saw both asante and nnamdi on nnamdi’s side of the field at least once.
    we probably do that when we are playing man. then we give each guy a side of the field when playing zone.

    i think the problem is more that we’re playing zone coverage with this defense after proving that we suck when we do that and they can be decent when playing man.

  99. 99 Anonymous said at 5:58 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    $50 they win next week. Just to tease everyone

  100. 100 Jon Blank said at 6:07 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Normally I would agree with you, but it looks like most of this team has quit.

  101. 101 Anonymous said at 6:05 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    I’ve got to put the guys in a better position to win…..times yours

  102. 102 Anonymous said at 6:13 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Bye, Andy Bye
    On the road to KFC
    Eat, Andy Eat
    Have a cheeseburger for me
    Pass it low
    Pass it high
    Tell Jauny C goodbye
    Bye, Andy Bye
    on the road to KFC

  103. 103 Anonymous said at 6:20 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Ok. Some heads need to roll for all of this.

    There is no reason not to fire Juan now. The season is over. He put a rookie LB and a rookie Safety on one of the best WRs in the league. Unacceptable. Nnamdi should have been shadowing Fitz all day.

    Cut VY. That dream team comment has put some bad voodoo on this team all year. At this point, does it matter if our backup QB can win us games? No.

    Cut Steve Smith. You give yourself up two yards from a first down? Negative. GTFOH

    The rest of the firings can wait until the off-season.

  104. 104 Anonymous said at 6:24 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Smith’s play is indicative of the team this year. They are soft and undisciplined. All style and no substance. Can you believe they gave that ahole $2 million? Ugh. Cut Riley Cooper too. This is his 3rd year and I still don’t know exactly what he does.

  105. 105 Daniel Suraci said at 6:26 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Smith has trade value, even if it’s a 5th round pick. So does Young. Cooper has potential and is completely underutilized. But Juan needs to go. Seriously, anyone could do better than him. The front office really needs to go as well, our draft picks have sucked for years.

  106. 106 Anonymous said at 6:36 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Smith was given a 1 year deal and is a FA at the end of the year so he can’t be traded. Cooper…I don’t know what anyone could have possibly seen in him to say he is underutilized. I’d argue that he isn’t used for a reason.

  107. 107 Daniel Suraci said at 6:48 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Oh geez, you’re right on Smith, sorry don’t know where my head was there.

  108. 108 Anonymous said at 9:46 AM on November 14th, 2011:

    i think VY is also on a 1 yr deal

  109. 109 Anonymous said at 1:21 AM on November 14th, 2011:

    Young has trade value? I want some of what you’re smoking.

    Anyway, we should keep Young around in case we hire Jeff Fisher, and then we can let him fire Young as a welcome gift.

  110. 110 Anonymous said at 6:32 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Cooper is a second year player with potential. You don’t cut a guy like that because of one dropped pass. Not to mention he’s been our second best ST player behind Colt Anderson.

  111. 111 Anonymous said at 7:03 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    What potential? Just because the Eagles talking heads say he has it, doesn’t necessarily make it so. He’s had other drops the past two years and he doesn’t get on the field for a reason. How many overachieving white dudes that can play STs does a team need? Well, I guess ST returns haven’t cost us a game yet this year. Anyway, I’ll be more than happy to come back here and admit that I’m wrong, but I predict that Cooper isn’t even in the league in two years. At some point, these guys with potential that play STs need to make plays on O or D until u draft the next guy with promise.

  112. 112 Anonymous said at 6:29 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    At this point what is firing Castillo going to do? It’s not like someone will come in with 7 games left and be able to get anything done, let him finish the season at least.

  113. 113 Jon Blank said at 6:35 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    I don’t want Castillo anywhere around any of the young defensive players. He’s bad enough to derail careers.

  114. 114 Daniel Suraci said at 6:48 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Exactly, we don’t want these guys learning bad habits.

  115. 115 Anonymous said at 11:10 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Well, at least now they’re learning fundamentals.

  116. 116 Jon Blank said at 11:47 AM on November 14th, 2011:

    Seems more like they are unlearning fundamentals.

  117. 117 Anirudh Jangalapalli said at 11:48 AM on November 14th, 2011:

    Or learning fundamentals of losing. Castillo 101.

  118. 118 Anirudh Jangalapalli said at 11:48 AM on November 14th, 2011:

    Or learning fundamentals of losing. Castillo 101.

  119. 119 Gregory Post said at 8:14 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Because he can get used to the system and implement his style of coaching earlier. The problem is, coordinators are rarely fired because it will be impossible to replace them unless its an interim position with someone internally in the organization. So maybe Johnnie Lynn, the Safeties coach. If they were similarly to fire Andy, it would have to be someone like Marty to take his position, and Jeff would know that this move would probably be counterproductive at this point in the season.

  120. 120 Jon Blank said at 6:38 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Watch the Giants will lose to go along with Atlanta’s loss to rub it in.

  121. 121 Anonymous said at 6:48 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    This is one of the worst losses in Eagles’ history, and there have been many, many bad ones…

  122. 122 Anonymous said at 6:56 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Psychologically speaking, it’s going to take several seasons of above-average, comeback-laden games before I don’t expect to lose every game where we have a 4th quarter lead…

  123. 123 Steve H said at 7:24 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    It’s almost pavlovian in its regularity. I abandon hope if we aren’t up by at least 20 with less than 5 minutes left in the game at this point.

  124. 124 Anonymous said at 8:19 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    What is more scary is the possibility of some of our young players experiencing the same thing.

  125. 125 Anonymous said at 7:03 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Watching SF gives me LB envy. Damn I’d love to have a guy like Willis.

  126. 126 Jon Blank said at 7:22 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Giants lost. So if this organization wasn’t full of soft idiots next week’s game would be meaningful.

  127. 127 Jon Blank said at 7:26 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Seattle and Miami winning. Hopefully Peyton throws a fit about drafting Luck and the Eagles get him.

  128. 128 Steve H said at 7:32 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Just to kick us while we were down the Giants decided they would lose today, which would have let us gain a game on them in the race for the division.

    I missed most of the game so I just finished reading through the 1st and 2nd half threads to see if I could get a sense of what happened today and wow, it must have been a real clusterfuck out there.

    In other news, the Bronco’s won a game with Tim Tebow completing 2 passes. Yes you read that correctly, 2 complete passes the whole game.

  129. 129 Anonymous said at 8:17 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Why did you subject your self to that?! You could have just asked. We could have instructed you on where to cut, where to abrade, and how much salt to use.

  130. 130 Anonymous said at 7:36 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Reading some guys in the Philly media keep referencing not having DeSean and they need to stop. DeSean has been horrible. More dropped passes than any WR in the league and helped blow the game last week with that fumble. Last time I checked we were 3-5 with DeSean. If we can’t beat the sh*tty Cards when they’re starting Jon Skelton that’s our own damn fault. I don’t want to hear who we’re missing when again they’re starting Jon Skelton!!! A good team would’ve blown the Cards out.

    I laughed because it was almost as if Rodney Harrison was in on the joke with us about Andy. He just said, “every week Andy Reid’s team is on TV and he gets up here and says we weren’t prepared well enough and we’ve got to fix it, and every week they come out there and look sloppy and unprepared.”

    It’s funny because we can say we need to make wholesale changes! But isn’t that what we just did this year? Ultimately, I think we need a new DC and a few upgrades on defense (LINEBACKER!!!!).

  131. 131 Jon Blank said at 7:54 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Desean would have opened up the underneath routs and they wouldn’t have been able to put 8 in the box and focus on Shady, even if Desean didn’t catch anything. Even if it was a total team lack of effort today. If I was Rosenhaus I’m pointing to today as evidence of how bad this team is without Desean in the lineup.

  132. 132 Anonymous said at 8:13 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    8 in the box? Shady averaged 6 ypc!!! we didn’t need DeSean to open anything up. let me say that again 6 ypc! here’s another number for you…14…as in he only had 14 carries. You’re missing your 2 starting WRs and you only let your best player carry the ball 14 times! we had the lead the whole freaking game and Shady ran the ball 14 times. That’s embarrassing. i’m not saying DeSean wouldn’t help and of course you’d want him in the lineup, but give me a break they can’t beat jon skelton and a 2-6 team.

    if i’m the eagles i’m pointing back to Drew and showing him the leading # of drops by desean and then i’m sending him tape of that punt return fumble and then i’m showing him our record of 3-5 with DeSean. if it’s true they’re holding out for $10 mm per season D-Jack is not worth it.

  133. 133 Anonymous said at 8:15 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Agreed. I had almost forgot how much harder it is to pass when teams don’t respect your deep threats.

  134. 134 Thorin McGee said at 9:14 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Really, hasn’t DeSean’s value sort of worked itself out by now? He clearly isn’t Larry Fitzgerald or Hines ward, but he is also important to the offense and really dangerous. He should be valued somewhere around the 10th best WR in the league.

  135. 135 Anonymous said at 12:43 PM on November 14th, 2011:

    Hines Ward?

  136. 136 Anonymous said at 10:10 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    I’ll ask you the same thing…is 6 ypc not enough for you? that 8 in the box you guys speak up gave up 6 ypc! And that deep threat you talk about hasn’t been there all year. We’ve been 3-5 w/D-Jack and he’s come up small all season (see post below on drops/fumble). That’s really what you took away from this game was our deep threat was the problem?

    How about the biggest thing on offense in this game is only giving a top 5 back, who was avg 6 ypc, the ball 14 times! Especially on a day when Vick had nothing going. Oh and in a game you were winning! Shady should’ve had 25 carries. He’s avg 6 ypc yet we’re coming out on offense and just chucking the ball. Stupidity.

  137. 137 Morton said at 7:58 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Do I really need to say anything?

    I’ve been saying this since the PRESEASON, folks.

    Spending money on over-30 free agents is the surest way to FAIL in the NFL. Championship teams, hell, just winning teams, are built through the DRAFT almost exclusively. Splashy free agent signings are the last resort of poor General Managers who desperately try to cover up their draft mistakes with free agent spackle.

    Draft well or die.

    Brandon Graham over Carlos Dunlap, Earl Thomas, or Jason Pierre Paul. Passing on Sean Lee and Navarro Bowman. Overdrafting Jacquian Jarret, a low-rated prospect by most, in the second round. Drafting a 26-year-old offensive guard in the first round of the draft. Drafting Casey Matthews at all. Throwing away premium picks to amass a volume of late-round picks who end up being cut from the team eventually. Signing some of the most overrated free agents in the NFL. And on and on.

    Howie Roseman and Andy Reid have fundamentally failed at talent evaluation in the past several years of the draft. This team will continue to spiral into mediocrity because of poor drafting.

    The problem lies in personnel acquisition and coaching. If Howie Roseman is mostly responsible for these signings and draftings, he must go. If Andy Reid is mostly responsible for them, he must go instead or as well.

  138. 138 Anonymous said at 8:15 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Just packed up all my Eagle stuff totally just can’t what just happened to the season. I’ve been a fan since the 60’s WTF. A seasn that went from “Dream” to NIGHTMARE”.

  139. 139 Anonymous said at 10:35 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    Coverage on ST play has been exceptional the last few games. Fun to watch those guys plow through the return teams. On SNF Costas just rhetorically asked “why would anyone kick to Devin Hester?” At least April’s squad is firing on all cylinders.

  140. 140 Anonymous said at 10:53 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    it’s over, rock.

  141. 141 Anonymous said at 11:02 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    I could list 25 reasons why this defense is not successful, (and won’t be for at least a couple of years) however if Sean Mcd was given this much raw talent to work with deploying JJ’s 46 defense we would be a solid top ten defense this year.

    Nothing against Washburn but has any team ever won even a super-bowl berth running the wide 9 defensive front?

    Vick had a poor game. When a quarterback is firing high, he’s holding the ball too tight, in otherwords trying too hard. Mcnabb was the only NFL QB who would fire low while overthrowing.

    I am in the camp of replacing the whole defensive coaching staff. There are simply too many mis-matched coaching parts.

  142. 142 Anonymous said at 11:05 PM on November 13th, 2011:

    And congratulations to J Chaney for the first blitz sack of the year…it only took 9 games for someone other than a defensive lineman to get a sack. UGH!

  143. 143 Mac said at 11:51 PM on November 13th, 2011:


    We must…


  144. 144 Mark Sitko said at 8:36 AM on November 14th, 2011:

    In one day I went from still hoping we could make a run at the playoffs, to wondering if we have a chance for Luck…get out of the way Colts and Jags…we’d like to throw our glove in the ring to challenge for the worst team in the NFL…WOW – this is the worst season in the Reid era, right?

  145. 145 Alex Karklins said at 9:18 AM on November 14th, 2011:

    I almost never consciously choose to miss an Eagles game, but somehow I just knew that this game would be a struggle. I just didn’t have it in me to yell at the TV, so I brewed beer with my friends instead and got game updates via Twitter. I made the right choice.

    I think the Eagles are now at the point where they have to think about their QB of the future. Vick is infuriatingly inconsistent.

  146. 146 Eric Weaver said at 9:25 AM on November 14th, 2011:

    The real sad thing is this team will probably maul the Giants up in the Meadowlands this week. And probably be just up and down enough to pull off an 8-8 season and miss out on some great top 10 talent.

  147. 147 Anonymous said at 11:25 AM on November 14th, 2011:

    I find it laughable that the team slogan this year is “HEART” considering they have none of it.

    I’m glad we brought in Nnamdi this year, and utterly REFUSE to let him just stick the top WR on the opposing team all night. He held Fitz to 2 catches for 26 yards last year…unbelievable.

    The stubbornness from the management, all the way to the players has made this easily the least likable team I’ve ever watched as a fan for the last 25 years.

  148. 148 Jon Blank said at 12:18 PM on November 14th, 2011:

    Apparently Vick had 2 broken ribs suffered on the 2nd play of the game.

    No word on the mysterious brain trauma that effects Juan at the start of every 4th quarter.