Eagles Draft Talk
Posted: March 19th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 391 Comments »There isn’t one overriding topic tonight so let’s hit a few draft topics.
* What position do the Birds address with pick 20? When it comes to the 1st round, think players not positions. The best example I can give is Dallas taking OL Zach Martin in the 1st round last year. Their defense was in desperate need of help. Dallas passed on defense and even Johnny Manziel and took Martin. He had a great rookie year and that team played their best football in years.
As easy as it is to get fired up about a certain position, the Eagles need to focus on finding the best possible player.
* Could it be a WR? This is hard to say. I think the Big 3 (Kevin White, Amari Cooper, Devante Parker) will be long gone by pick 20. Is Jalen Strong worth that pick? I’m not so sure. Would Chip Kelly have any interest in Dorial Green-Beckham? Another tough question. DGB is huge and athletic. He also got kicked out of Missouri. DGB transferred to Oklahoma and the coaches are supposedly saying good things about him.
DGB would likely be a Top 10 prospect with a clean background. If Kelly is willing to take a chance on Sam Bradford’s knee, why not take a chance on DGB’s character? We know Kelly loves big guys. DGB is 6-5, 237. That is one huge WR.
I have my doubts about DGB being a target, but he is really talented and this wouldn’t shock me.
* Speaking of character issues…what about CB Marcus Peters? Back in the summer of 2010, Kelly was trying to convince Peters to come to Oregon to play for him. If Kelly still wants Peters, it will be much easier this time. Kelly would just have to draft him.
There are varying stories about what happened with Peters at Washington and why he was kicked off the team. The Eagles have scouts and other personnel who will get to the bottom of the situation and will know the real truth. If they think Peters is a good guy caught up in a bad situation, they’ll have a 1st round grade on him. If they think he has serious coachability issues, Peters might not even be on their draft board.
And…here is some Combine stuff.
And here is a piece comparing Peter to Tray Waynes.
That’s a lot of Marcus Peters content in a short time. Is that a coincidence or are the Eagles trying to tell us something?
I am very impressed by Peters the player. I have no idea what to make of Peters the person. I’ll be very interested to see if the Eagles have any interest.
* Will the Eagles add a QB? Kelly made mention of the Eagles checking out all the QB prospects in a recent PC. He loves Macus Mariota, but what if MM is gone? There is a lot of speculation about Brett Hundley, but the guy I could see Kelly loving is Bryce Petty. He is a pocket passer who has some mobility. He led the best up-tempo offense in college football and put up some crazy numbers.
Eagles QB Coach Ryan Day had dinner with Petty the night before his Pro Day. Kelly saw him up close and personal at the Senior Bowl. Do the Eagles like him a little or a lot? Could they shock everyone and take him at pick 2o? Would he last until their 2nd round pick? Could he slide to the 3rd round?
Petty is far from perfect, but QB is a weak group this year. My guess is that some team will spend a 2nd round pick on him.
* Phillip Dorsett of Miami might be my favorite WR in the draft. The question I have is whether he can be a volume WR in the NFL. Dorsett caught 36 passes as a Senior. He did catch 58 as a Soph. I think erratic QB play hurt his numbers. I just wonder if you could plug him in as a starter and feed him 80 catches or is Dorsett more of a complementary guy who is meant to catch 45 to 60 passes.
* I would love for the Eagles to spend their 2nd round pick on OL Ali Marpet. Yeah, he’s from D3 Hobart, but the guy is smart, tough and athletic. It would be kinda cool to replace D2 Todd Herremans with a D3 player. Jimmy Bama and I spoke to Marpet in Mobile and he absolutely seemed like a Chip Kelly guy.
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Jimmy Bama and I were supposed to record a podcast on Wednesday, but ran into complications. Ditto that for Thursday night. We’ll see if we can get one done on Friday. We promise to get one done.
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I dont get the dorestt love, tyler lockett is head and shoulders better then him. the next Antonio Brown!!
Watching him at the Senior Bowl…up close and personal…he was incredibly impressive. I stood next to a GM and various scouts on the day when we were down on the field. Everyone was blown away with how explosive and gifted he was.
is this lockett or dorsett that you are talking about tommy?
In the piece he’s talking about Dorsett.
I read “Eagles Draft Talk” and had to run upstairs and change my pants before I could finish reading the rest.
did Cossell and Ross tucker start their draft breakdowns on the weekly podcast yet?
I have no idea, I don’t listen to them. Any good?
Cossell is always good – has a very individual take and does not care what the perceived value of players is, or where they are mocked – just the quality of the players
The covered WR’s this week which was interesting.
def worth the listen…. i think they did because I saw reports of cossell talking about the WR prospects.
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1) he doesnt like davante Parker as a #1, lacks down field ability, views him more as a crabtree complimentary guy
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2) says strong doesnt play up to his speed yet because he needs to tighten his route running, alot of wasted motion right now, but he thinks its correctable for Jalen
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3) compared White to TO
Strong has a false step t the beginning of his routes sometimes that give away what he is doing. He has good routes though
yea, well, we had a depressing morning on 24/7 going over the Safety prospects.
conclusion? they’re not very good
I read a lot of that actually. I came to the conclusion that Token is not a very nice person. I think one solution is to roll with what we have but use a pick on someone like Eskridge, Geathers or Drummond. Someone with size that can be had a bit later. Maybe Derron Smith who is my favorite safety but is about 2 inches too short.
Is DGB similar to Plaxico Buress? I don’t know anything about DGB. Size reminded me of PB.
Calvin/josh gordon
except Gordan and Calvin are great athletes, DGB is more Kelvin Benjamin in terms of athletisme
Hopefully his hands aren’t as bad as Benjamin’s.
They are aint, but I was more comparing their athletic profile, but it seems Plaxico had just has terrible combine numbers as Beckham
I know — typo — but it’s still funny to read “They are aint” … I think Benjamin will improve tremendously this year….
Yeah, those comps are terrible.
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DGB off of potential and Peters out of on field ability are easily worth the 20th pick In the draft, but who knows if they will be on our draft board
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While all the draft talk is great, Chip wanted to reach to secure Jordan Mathews in round 1 lasts year, so how could I not think there is a strong chance he will reach for Fisher? Then again if he is the perfect fit to play RG next to Lane and eventually move to RT, who’s to say that’s not good value at #20. Everyone thought KYLE long could be had in round 2, he didn’t make it past 22 and he wasn’t draftes with eventually playing Tackle in mind….. if that is chips intention I hope that he will be able to pass on him if a serious talent falls to 20 unexpected like
Bud Dupree, Falling to #20
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Love Dorset but not as a volume WR, I don’t think he will be an Antonio Brown type. I trust him more to he a deep threat, maybe a Kenny Stills type. Like Ty Monthomery if he can be had in late rounds. no idea what they think of Funchess but he should atleast be am redzone weapon. I am really high on Jalen Strong buy I don’t know about 20…..would t mind a TE like Maxx Williams or Jesse James .. Oklahoma NT Jordan Phillips …
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Still hoping for a draft night trade for Cordarrell Patterson
DGB and Peters? That’d be a hell of a draft.
Marpet in the 2nd? Love the guy but that’s way too early. I was thinking he wouldn’t go until the 4th, maybe 3rd at the earliest.
Why? because he is D3?
He has all the measurables you want, fantastic work ethic and is actually very sound technically. Performed well at the Senior Bowl so you have seen him against decent competition.
Because his tape doesn’t say 2nd round.
He’s flying up boards. The guy can flat out play and is a really good athlete.
I asked myself a few questions about Peters and came to this conclusion.
Can Peters cover the more speedy Djax/ODB?
He shut down Brandin Cooks once in college, However, Djax is the fastest guy on the field compared to anyone in the league. You miss your jam and you’re done. ODB is the total package and is on another level compared to what Peters played against in college.
Can Peters stay in line for Chip?
We cut Djax. Let Maclin go and traded Shady. Peters supposedly has an ego, Chip doesn’t like egos.
Peters is a very talented player but I’ll understand why we don’t take him at 20.
OBJ is more about quickness than pure speed, only way to cover Jackson is by jamming him at the line or double cover him.
Boykin had great success covering OBJ in the last game because he has the quickness to stay with him and that is also where Peters win and Peters also has the size to jam WRs at the LOS
I’m pretty sure ODB torched everyone in the last game of the season. Still..ODB is still faster than Peters.
Boykin blanket him in the last game, but Boykin was only on him when he was in the slot, just hard to remember because OBJ torched Bradley Fletcher.
That is why I want more matchup based coverage. Lets take the Giants or Cowboys. Put Boykin on OBJ/Beasley, Maxwell on Bryant/Randle and Thurmond/Carroll on Williams/Cruz.
“great success” i’m guessing Boykin wasn’t covering him most of the game?
New interview with Foles
http://mmqb.si.com/2015/03/20/nick-foles-trade-st-louis-rams-philadelphia-eagles-nfl/
I can see why Tommy thought Foles is fake. Such Andy Reid-esque answers.
Sometimes he reminds me a bit of Jack McBrayer
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c3/Jack-and-triumph-show.jpg
I don’t see anything wrong with anything he said there. Is it possible he’s just a nice guy?
Yes.
You must have not heard Andy’s press conferences then.
I was busy doing entertaining things like cleaning out the fish tank and such. Doesn’t he clear his throat a lot, repeat the same canned answers from the past 10 years, “put them in positions to succeed”, “that was my fault, I’ve got to do better” (but never does), and end it by saying, for some reason, “time’s yours”.
I think Foles is a legitimately good guy. I hope he does well.
I just think sometimes his answers are too PC. He literally says the right thing all the time. You need to mix in a bit of negativity every now and then. Then again…when dealing with the Philly media, maybe being too safe is the smart way to go.
It’s amazing how people will latch on to the smallest bit of negativity and force it to define you, though.
Thanks for the link
Confirms what we should all already know – Sal Palantonio is a hack.
Sal is not half as bad as some of the other drones…
It is amazing how he makes up quotes to generate sensational healines and there is no substance to anything he reports. What an ass.
he is like misanellis butt buddy, what can we really expect
After restructuring Bryan Braman’s contract, Eagles have gone from 7.57 million to 7.65 million in cap space.
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From MMQB:
Looks like the last Eagles arrest was S Keelan Johnson on July 19, 2014, for pushing a police officer after a bar brawl in Tempe, Arizona.
Thanks alot Keelan Johnson
and the Pats had a pretty big one in 2013…
Was that guy arrested for wiggling his Wang at some broad or just questioned and cleared?
That was Nate Allen, and yes he was officially cleared.
Right, but was he arrested before he was cleared?
We all know that guys who look like Nate Allen get arrested more easily than guys who look like Jimmy Kempski -and who’s the criminal there?
No. I think he was brought in for questioning but never arrested.
Cool. Want to keep the feet of those arrest-trackers to the fire!
Technically yes, I guess he was. He was never charged with anything, and the prosecutor (I think it was the prosecutor) came out publicly saying it was a case of mistaken identity and he shouldn’t have been arrested.
Still, he should be on the arrest list then.
The guy that was being looked for was driving a recent, big black pick-up truck similar to Allen’s. If Allen was in a Prius, he wouldn’t have been detained.
It’s all grain of salt since I am just a guy and I don’t have access to watching every play of all the players in the draft but I feel that if the Eagles don’t move up for mariota there is a very good chance there will still be a good player on the board at 20 this year. From everything I’ve seen peters looks like a much better player than Waynes. Waynes had a better 40 time and that’s important for a cb but it’s not everything. He wasn’t really all that impressive in the games I watched. Peters seems like more of a playmaker to me. Dgb and agholar are very impressive. I’m not sure I get the love for dorsett unless people think he can bulk up. He doesn’t look like much of a yac guy which seems to have been a theme for this offense. If those guys are gone it likely means Landon Collins or a good OL or OLB prospect got pushed down to 20. The only thing hat worries me is the possibility of the Eagles doing another head scratcher like Marcus smith and me having to order a new tv remote from Amazon after I’ve smashed mine to bits.
Dorsett doesn’t look like much of a yac guy ? Where’s my bang head against wall emoticon. That’s one of his biggest positives.
https://youtu.be/JZatnTkhT8Q
I’ve watched that and maybe yac isn’t quite specific enough for what I meant. There are a few highlights here where he makes a catch in the open field and eats up a lot of yards after the catch because of his speed so that’s a fair point. I just don’t see him having quite the same shiftiness as some of the other guys and he seems to go down after first contact most of the time. Maybe his speed makes up for that. I don’t know. I’m not saying he’s not a good player. I’d just be a little surprised if they took him in the first. A few of these clips look like Jaquan Jarrett level bad angles taken at him that lead to big plays but again maybe he is just that fast.
Dorsett is like Jackson that his speed can create YAC, but he isnt a guy who will break a tackle or juke a guy
YAC is what it is. As you say he eats up a lot of yards after the catch.
I’d be surprised if they took Dorsett in the first. Dorsett is shifty, changes direction easily with little wasted motion. I also think he’s very smooth and fluid and he explodes in and out of his breaks.
As for bad angles taken at him, you can play that game all day with just about anyone. Part of it may be because of him.
The bad angles is 100% because of his speed, guys simply aint used to taking the right angles to a guy with 4.3 speed. It was the same reason Bryce Brown could potential become a great RB, because he has the speed once he cuts the corner
At this point it’s probably fair to say that Bryce Brown will not become a great RB.
Most likely true
Waynes is better than Peters in coverage. Peters might be better in college but Waynes will be better in the pros.
I’m obviously not a pro at evaluating but I feel that secondary guys are the hardest for me to get a read on especially coming out of college. Just out of curiosity why do you think that Waynes will be better?
You can’t teach speed. Waynes can recover if he gets beat. Peters has shown that he sometimes can’t if he does.
Not a single team from Texas still in the tourney. All 5 were eliminated today.
Although SMU was cheated.
Although SMU was cheated.
Fisher in the first. Marpet in the second. Trade Mathis for a safety and pick up a nice underrated WR in rd3. Done.
what kind of safety are you getting in return for 34yr old Mathis?
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Done huh? lol simple as that?
I see your point, but think about it; Mathis has graded out as the best og second best G in the league in every one of the last four seasons. He is actually an elite player at his position even if he is 34 years old, no signs of decline yet. He should have a few more years in the tank as an above average starter. So this is the kind of safety I’d expect in return – a proven veteran above 30 who should have a few more years as an above average starter.
you arent factoring into the equation how much easier it is to find a guard then a safety…. plenty of quality guards you can find to get the job done… there are barely enough good safeties in the league for every team to have 1…. we love mathis because he is awesome, and he can play at a high level… but a 34yr old guard making 5mil has zero value… we would be lucky to get a 6th rounder for him
Yes, the whole idea with trading Mathis and creating a hole at G would be to stuff a hole at S and then rpioritise G in the draft where there is more talent for us. All it takes is some team who has it the other way around – a glaring hole at the G position and a veteran safety they want to replace with a younger ascending player. Trading Mathis for picks I think is competely ondoable or very bad value at least. Trading him for a decent player seems much more sensible since he is a decent player himself. And we could throw in a late round pick if need be. We could even go after the scrap pile if they are serious about trading him. How much do you think we’d need to add to a Mathis-for-Vaccaro trade?
..Actually screw that. I don’t want that trade. I want Mathis to stay so our Oline can be beastly this year and we are free to grab any really good WR/CB/LB prospect who drops to the 2nd round. (And then sprinkle Jaylen Watkins/Couplin with fairy dust to magically infuse them with amazing safety-instincts.)
You are seriously overrating the trade value of a soon to be 35 years old G.
heck we gave him permission to find a trade last year, and he couldnt find anything worth leaving philly…why would that increase now after another injury riddled season and a year older?
Idk but Eagles fans seem to overrate our own players…
Every fan base probably over rates their good players and under rates their bad onesm
Yes. I like to do that. It helps pass the time.
“There is a lot of speculation about Brett Hundley, but the guy I could see Kelly loving is Bryce Petty. He is a pocket passer who has some mobility. He led the best up-tempo offense in college football and put up some crazy numbers.”
Petty all day over Hundley. Great post Tommy.
for me, Petty over Hundley for the Eagles is obvious….rather not draft any QBs… but i would believe in Petty drastically more then Hundley
Given where they will likely be drafted, I like Petty more than Hundley for the Eagles. But I’m not sure Chip thinks that way. If he wants to hedge his bet that Bradford is the guy, I think he’s going to get the guy he likes better, regardless of the difference in price. And by most accounts from people I respect, that’s Hundley.
no one has any clue if chip likes hundley more then Petty
True. I wasn’t claiming to know that Chip likes Hundley at all. Just that most analysts that I respect like Hundley better. I’m not going to try to predict Chip’s draft, because I think it’s fairly clear that Chip thinks differently about pretty much every aspect of it than everyone else. But I do enjoy reading other’s attempts, as, well, there’s really not much else to do for another month or so, Eagles-wise.
its not even you,,,, by now thats the consesus. Id bet half the fanbase assumes that is true, even tho we have nothing to base that off of
It’s hilarious that people think that Chip hedges his bets. WTF does that even mean? A fall back plan in case Chip is wrong? If Chip is drafting scared about his own decisions, this system is in serious trouble. Chip is not hedging any moves…
lol right…. even funny are the morons who say that chip was getting nervous because he was losing the people of Philadelphia, so he went out and got Demarco Murray to calm us down…. if we had a coach/GM who made moves to make the dumb fanbase happy, he would go down as the biggest hack ever… i dont get where people come up with this crap. inflated sense of sef importance that chip would give two craps what anyone says…
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and if chip is going to “hedge his bets LOL”, isnt that what giving Sanchez 9mil is for?…how is a rookie going to save us if Bradford sucks? people are crazy with the crap they invent… the sad part is it picks up momentum til it ends up being the expectation, and then we are all pissed when chips move doesnt meet the false expectations we built up..smh hedging his bets, LOL
Hedging bets is not acting scared, it’s acknowledging risks and trying to mitigate them intelligently. Sounds like Chip to me.
thats why he gave sanchez 9mil…. doubt chip is looking for a rookie QB to save his season..
Where did I say anything about saving the season? Obviously, Sanchez is the hedge for next season. A rookie project (and note that I include MM as a project in the NFL) is a hedge that Bradford isn’t the long-term answer, whether it be for ability or injury reasons. I think the Eagles would love to have another project at 3rd QB not named Barkley, if Bradford is the day 1 presumptive starter this year (and I think he will be).
there is this concept that GMs care about, called “allocation of resources”
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lets see… after we dumping a boatload into the rb POSITION, demarco, Ryan, Sproles, polk is still here..
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he dumpen 13mil in Bradford, what 9 in Sanchez? and now he will also take one of our top 2 picks and spend it on a QB? oh and we also happen to already owe the Rams our 2nd round pick Next year on a QB..
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so basically we are just going to dump everything into RB AND QB?…..personally I assumed when he dumped all those resources into the QB position it was so that he didnt have to dump a high pick into it, allowing him to use those quality piks on adressing major need that will directy effect next season…. Call me crazy, i preffered worrying about a starting Guard before I was concerned about the 3rd QB…
Preach.
Traditionally, you’d be right. But as I said, Chip does not look at the draft traditionally. Furthermore, there’s something to be said for the “shotgun” approach to finding your QB. It worked pretty well for Seattle.
Again, I have 0 idea what Chip’s thinking is. I don’t even rule out the big trade up for MM, even though I don’t like it and think it’s unlikely. I’m just acknowledging one possible line of thinking he may be pursuing.
Forgot about the Matt Flynn deal before Wilson.
True enough, though I think going for a QB in the draft is more about hedging bets that will pay off in a couple years.
Its not acting scared? OK, you want a different word. Insecurity? You do not trade for QB, sign a back up and then draft a qb early and say Oh, I have to take this guy because I’m nervous about him being hurt. What ever word you want to use — is NOT Chip…
Again – did I say he was nervous about him being hurt? Nope. But it is a risk, and it’s stupid to pretend it doesn’t exist. Much like there’s a risk that Bradford never even sniffs the performance he showed as a rookie. I have no idea how those risks are quantified by Chip, but I have no doubt that he has. And that he has plans for addressing those possibilities. Being prepared is not the same as being scared or nervous. It’s being smart.
Draft talk? Talk about this draft! (although I got into some bad picks towards the end)
Round 1 Pick 20: DeVante Parker, WR, Louisville (A)
Round 2 Pick 20: Ty Sambrailo, OT, Colorado State (B)
Round 3 Pick 20: Ronald Darby, CB, Florida State (B+)
Round 4 Pick 14: Bryce Petty, QB, Baylor (A)
Round 5 Pick 9: Leterrius Walton, DT, Central Michigan (B+)
Round 5 Pick 20: Adrian Amos, FS, Penn State (C+)
Round 6 Pick 20: Terry Poole, OT, San Diego State (D+)
Round 7 Pick 20: Craig Mager, CB, Texas State (D+)
Casey Matthews
Keenan Clayton
Bryan Smith
Stewart Bradley
Chris Gocong
Matt McCoy
Quinton Caver
Barry Gardner
Given that trend trading away our best draft pick at LB [Kendricks] since 1999 (!!!) would be utterly insane.
who is saying we’re doing that?
mariota groupies
still? Going a looooooonnnnnggggg time to the draft with people holding onto this idea…
cant wait til we are only 2 weeks out from the draft.. easier to handle mentally. right now it feels like weeks and weeks left of insanity
Peoplezzzz
Stewart Bradley
Chris Gocong
.. I liked those 2 dudes ..wonder why/how they didn’t pan out
Chris KingKong was better suited in a 3-4. Just a shame we didn’t run one back then.
Matt McCoy was a total bust though.
(I cut & McCoy was pasted ..so I edited to Stew Bradley .. I liked GoKONG and Stewart Bradley)
My favorite was Bradley. When he first started — he was an absolute beast. Then…well….shit happens I guess. I’ve always wondered what happened to him after such a promising start.
He totally destroyed his knee and lost any confidence in it again
And followed that up with a devastating shoulder injury. Sigh… what could have been.
Damn. I remembered it was an injury but not how serious it was. I remember him in a game vs. the Giants and punished the rb. Oh well….
I like Gocong, I’m just not sure he was a great fit for most of his time here. But he was very good at setting the edge in run defense when they made the run to the NFCCG. He was part of that defense that really came together towards the end of that season.
Right now I have a feeling our best options at 20 will be OL guys.
I’m all for that. We’ve got all these running backs, now let’s make some holes for them to run through.
no idea why people keep trying to connect landon Collins to us, but it sounds like amateur hour… does this sound like a malcolm Jenkins clone?
“I don’t think he’s someone a defense is going to want to match up in man coverage on a down-by-down basis. He doesn’t have elite cover skills, but he provides a physical presence and takes great angles to the ball. He’s more comfortable playing downhill and is like an extra linebacker on the field for defensive coordinator Kirby Smart.” said NFL.com’s Daniel Jeremiah.
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teams picked on Landon in Coverage…. no one was afraid to throw at him… Personally, i LOVE the Big Hitters at safety. I think there should be a place for one in every defense… but by now it should be pretty obvious to us what this regime values in the position and this kid doesnt come close to being the type we look for in this scheme….i would love a Big Hitting Enforcer of a safety, but it doesnt look like that will ever happen under this current regime..
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really pathetic to see “experts”, trying to connect obvious dots and mock him to us, when im not even sure he will even make it on our draft board…….and he is an alabama DB…yuck…
People see we don’t have a SS and instantly connect the dots. They just don’t realize we don’t use a SS.
we have major hole at safety and the #1 ranked safety has a good chance of lasting to #20… if only it could be THAT simple. We need a safety, the top 1 is available, sounds great…WE WISH it was that easy… our luck, we have a chance at the best safety and he cant play in our defense smh…. this damn position is cursed for us
Well i really don’t like any college safety to come in and play in our defense at safety. Really think we need a corner convert.
Well we drafted a corner/safety last year Watkins and Carroll is a corner you could convert. and we could use a corner who can play corner.
i dont like this safety class either.. billy Davis has a history of converting CB to safety… malcolm was a converted CB, we just went after McCourty a converted CB.. thats probably a safe assumption to make….. which is why im still holding out a smidget of hope we make a trade for the Browns Tashuan Gipson, CB/S out of wyoming
we do have a connection with Bama and Collins though most of the people mocking Collins to us probably don’t even know that.
“no idea why people keep trying to connect Landon Collins to us”
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If the Eagles needed a new equipment manager, the experts would say the kid at ‘Bama who polishes the shoes and helmets would be Kelly’s 1st pick.
See how easy that was?
I have a feeling this going to be a draft that leaves us all scratching our heads and every draft pundit hates because Chip is going to do what Chip wants to do to get his players.
Finally! Someone who understands what’s going to happen…
Well if last years rumors have any truth to them chip doesn’t understand player value at all. So yeah that is likely to happen.
If lasts year’s rumors have any truth Chip wanted Matthews in the first who was very productive as a rookie. Seems to me he wanted the right player. Right player>value
I think going for value in the draft is only good if you also get good players. I have zero problems if Kelly “reach” for a player in terms of value, if he has a good rookie season like Matthews
And he wanted Taylor Hart in the 3rd. Value > wrong player.
Well he also wanted Hart in the third. A guy that never played a down.
I agree. I think there will be a lot of complaints that we could have drafted back 6 spots and picked up another pick and still got that guy. You never know right, but Chip doesn’t seem like a guy who just picks another player from the tier if his initial guy is gone. He seems like he wants his initial guy.
the value stuff sounds great and all… but can we really be upset that we have a coach who identifies prospects he can win with and goes into the draft trying to make sure he comes away with those prospects that he has identified?.. if chip is able to go into a draft and actually get the guys he specifically is targeting, thats a good thing where I come from… value be damned…
Of course we can be upset by it. We’re Eagles fans. We get upset at everything on knee jerk reaction.
But I’m not necessarily saying him getting the players he wants is a bad thing. You have to let him do it his way. Can’t give him the keys to the organization and then expect him not to. I’m just saying we’re going to look at the draft and probably say “WTF?!” Time will tell if they’re the right picks or not.
I think it’s entirely reasonable for different people to have different notions as to what constitutes value in a draft situation. Just because those ideas differ from Mike Mayock’s doesn’t make them wrong. And just because some draft pundit says that someone will be available in the 4th doesn’t mean that he will be.
Sure it’s reasonable and the next time Mel Kiper Jr. gets a draft right, it’ll be the first time.
But as someone posted below, if the rumors from last year were true, this draft could have some real head scratchers. It won’t necessarily be a bad thing. We all know you can’t judge a draft immediately, but the knee jerk reaction is going to be interesting.
Every year I hear some version of the argument “[Player’s name], even if he turns out to be a great player, is a bad pick because he would have been available [some-number-of-picks-or-rounds] later”.
“Picking Richard Sherman in the first round would have been a bad picked because you could have got him in the fifth”
I hate those people.
Yep, and disagreeing with that simply means we don’t understand proper valuations or something.
FBF (Flash Back Friday) — remember when back in the day when people were saying ‘you don’t take your best inside cover guy(Boykin) and simply move him to the outside’ …. ah, the good ol’ days….
You mean back when we thought we had 2 pro bowl corners on the outside?
Are you talking about Joselio Hanson?
Who was saying that (besides Billy Davis)? I only remember people wondering why he wasn’t given a shot outside in the base defense.
Bill and Chip defended not to move him…
That’s what you meant by “people?”
I apologize — I can not name, nor remember, ever single fan that supported those two “people” (assuming I’m using people correct there, maybe I should say those two individuals?) ideas. There’s a zero chance, every single poster agreed with their(their meaning, the thoughts of two people) thoughts…so I do think “people” is more than appropriate…
Great read, Thanks. Marcus Peters — That’s the kind of thinking I expected from Chip. The “diamond in rough” player. The – wholly cow, who is THAT kid and he turns out to be a stud. When Chip came on board, we got Casey. I was like, man – this kid must be something because it’s someone Chip targeted right away. Didn’t happen. That’s just one example. Hoping this draft — we find a beast — whether it’s wr or cb or ….
im hoping fto find Zack Martin
Try looking in Dallas.
Marcus Peters is not a diamond in the rough. He could have been a top 10 pick if nit for the off field stuff
Peters isn’t as good as some people hype him to be. He’s still really raw and gets beat more often then people realize. Combine that with his attitude and etc..not really top 10 worthy.
I say he could have gone that early. Woul have been interesting to see where he’d ended up if eh had played the entire year. I think he’s a natural at the position. He has work to do, but just has a good feel for it.
not meaning Peters specifically…it’s the thinking.
I think Chip will do some moving up in the first round this year, but not for Mariota. I can’t imagine how much it pissed him off last year to miss out on those “6 players” they were targeting. I don’t see him allowing that to happen again, for better or worse.
I have a feeling we’re going to get ripped off in this draft. Hopefully the players we get back make up for the value loss from possible stubbornness.
I think you may be right about being “ripped off” in terms of pure value in the draft, but I like the fact (or at least I am intrigued to see how it will play out) that it seems like Chip will target specific players that he wants and try to make sure he gets those players.
Haven’t the Eagles usually done this in the past, with Howie and before that Banner at the helm?
The problem with that is that missing on picks is a harsh reality of drafting. If you reach and the player busts, you lose the player and the value you gave up to reach for him. Do that occasionally and you’re fine. Do that as a rule, and you run the risk of having a Danny Watkins/Jaiquann Jarrett/Curtis Marsh/Casey Matthews draft.
It still comes down to how good the players become, regardless of when you took them. Danny Watkins wasn’t a bad pick because he was a reach. He was a bad pick because he stunk.
I agree with you. But a bust that costs a 1st and a 2nd sets the organization back further than a bust that just costs a 1st. And a bust that costs three 1sts and whatever other ransom people were suggesting for Mariota…. Well, that’s really all I’m getting at. Sure, if they work out, it doesn’t hurt as bad, but who knows what that other pick(s) you gave up to get your pro bowler could have been.
“but not for Mariota”; “I can’t imagine how much it pissed him off last year to miss out on those “6 players” they were targeting”.
Chip has described MM as the best football player he’s ever coached. Said he processed info like Peyton Manning. Said he thinks he’d win multiple superbowls in the league. Why wouldn’t he move up for him?
Not saying he will or he won’t, but the argument against is not hard to make. It’s simply that there are too many holes on the team to fill and that the team will not have several of their draft picks available to fill those needs sufficiently.
That’s the argument, no question. But speaking of Peyton Manning, look what happened to the Colts when Manning was injured in 2011. More or less the same team as in 2010, when they made the playoffs. A great quarterback can cover up a lot of holes, arguably
No question. If you think Mariota is the next Peyton Manning you almost have to pay whatever it takes.
That’s what I’ll never understand. All the research — all the time spend, man hours, visits, dinners etc etc you come away with “6 guys” you want to target — and you miss out on all of them? Either you’re targeting the wrong people or your not grading the right group of people….
They expected at least one of the 6 to fall and they didn’t. The assumption is that Chip wanted to move up and wasn’t allowed to, but either way, that’s got to be in the back of his mind when he goes into this draft.
It’s a question of resources. It will take multiple first round picks to get MM. If we have to give up a 4th rounder (I think we have two anyway) to move up a couple picks and ensure that you don’t miss out on one of your targeted players, that’s not so big of a problem. Do you really not see the difference between those?
I bet that if Chip cannot pull off a deal for MM he will trade back to pick up more draft picks and get Petty a the QB early in the 2nd round. I know that will piss people off.
Rams fans have a good sense of humor:
http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2015/3/19/8227447/st-louis-rams-nick-foles-all-22-tape-study
That is great stuff!
I still think Coates would be a great fit for this offense. Big, fast and physical. Fantastic yac capabilities. He has the potential to be a fantastic blocker with his physicality. They comments below may read, ” if he could catch.” Well I think several of his drops came on deep balls. I didn’t see him drop any balls over the middle or on screens. If he is gonna drop balls, I would prefer it to be the deep ball because it still keeps the defense honest. The DC isn’t going to say, ” he might or might not catch it deep, we can let our cbs play him tight.” Furthermore, for every drop he has, he has a spectacular catch. Sammie also spends time with a child you has/had leukemia, tell me that isn’t a high character Chip guy? If we want a first round WR I would pick Strong but if Sammie is there in the second, you have to take a serious look.
Jordan Mathews had drop issues and that didn’t stop the Eagles from taking him. I wouldn’t mind Coates.
Good point Javi.
My buggest issue with Coates is that he’s not a hands catcher. matthews had some concentration issue. Same for Kelvin Benjamin. The difference is that can easily be improved. Coates needs to be taught how to catch from scratch. I doubt he ever is a consistent pass catcher. its why he’s nit high on my list.
Everyone after the first round is going to have their weakness. Now because he is a receiver, if he wasn’t fast, had great leaping and RAC ability, plays special teams and is super physical, we wouldn’t even be talking about him. The point is, he has characteristics that can make him an explosive weapon in our offense. If he had, lets say, Maclin’s hands, would he be a first rounder? Probably. I just see too much potential and ability already there to write him off, you know?
In response to “he is not a hands catcher” or “he can’t catch a deep ball” I present this (I hope it works):
http://www.draftbreakdown.com/gif-embed/?clip=253869&gif=UnfortunateBabyishDuck
I agree with you in theory. However to me hands are the equivalent of arm strength fir QBs, speed is for CBs, or arm length is for tackles. Very difficult to impossible to improve on in the pros. Guys that have high drop rates dont last long in the NFL while the Jason Avants seem to hang around forever.
I know you like the guy and thats fine. If he improves in this area he coukd be a stud. I just dont have the faith that he will improve and knowing Chip he would not last here long if that was the case. I’d rather a devin smith, phillip dorsett, or Breshad Perriman. (Perriman also drops his share of passes, but like Matthews he can imprive due to being a natural hands catcher)
If you watch the video, I think it clearly shows he is a hands catcher. In the 3 games I watched him on draftbreakdown, he only dropped 3 catchable passes, 1 deep ball, 1 on a screen and I can’t remember the last one. I would take the gamble on him in the second and that is the key, he isn’t a first rounder neither are the receivers you listed. Its all preference and whether or not he can make an impact. If you put Smith’s hands on Coates body, that’s a top 10 pick.
He would be scary if he had snoth’s hands. Still he dropped 3 passes in 3 games. He would oead the league every year with that average. Again I know you like him and if we draft him Ill certainly hope for tge best. I just wont be optomistic until he proves me wrong, which I hooe he does
You are right, that would be a terrible drop rate. I guess we’ll see. I think we go OL in rd 1 and Wr in rnd 2.
i wouldnt be mad if we took him in round two… we need an outside WR with some serious speed, but who can also block his ass off… sammie works for me… “sammy to sammie connection’?.. we have jug machines for a reason
And like I said, it’s really only the deep ball. He just needs to focus, his hands aren’t the worst ever, he just has trouble tracking over his shoulder.
Just needs a rear view mirror attached to his helmet
“Objects in mirror appear closer than they appear”
I do wonder if they have a rule against something like that.
How about Google Glass and a camera mounted on the back of his helmet?
there we go, the Pats get away with stuff like that all the time.
speaking of which, I think it was trumped up but where is the NFL report on deflate gate? The NFL is becoming the NCAA in that there is just not even a semblance of being accountable for anything. If it hurts the league, the league blows it off. If the league can’t brush it under the carpet, then it buries the player and puts them no the exempt list etc.
How long can it take to tell us the results of deflate gate?
I agree also. The guy is a physical stud. Reminds me of Coradelle Paterson a bit. Isn’t he high character as well?
Yes, he visits a little girl with cancer, often.
What I love about Sammie is he usually produces in the biggest games in that offense. Kelly likes spreading the ball around and seems to like changing from week to week so it seems like Coates could be a great fit in Cooper’s role.
you mean — an nfl player shook the hands of a reporter and the reporter was impressed with his strength? go figure….
I think more like, he squeezed so unnecessarily hard that the reporter’s hand will hurt for hours
I’d expect nothing less from a ‘paper pusher’…
andrew Brandt was the cap guy for the packers a few years back. I’m sure he shook hands with everyone he signed a contract to. Not sure this matter, but at least he has a frame of refrence ti compare to.
Food for thought. This is how Peters grade stacks up to last years CBs and this years according to NFL.com.
Trae Waynes – 6.3
Jalen Collins – 6.3
Justin Gilbert – 6.3
Bradly Roby – 6.1
Darqueze Dennard – 6.1
Ronald Darby – 5.9
Kyle Fuller – 5.9
Jason Verret – 5.9
Kevin Johnson – 5.9
Marcus Peters – 5.8
PJ Williams – 5.8
Quintein Rollins – 5.7
Not a pretty picture: Giants take a “selvie”…
The Giants signed the former Dallas Cowboy to a one-year deal, the team announced Friday.
Eagles worked out Josh Freeman, only thing that you can say is that eagles are looking under every rock for a QB. I do like that CK is being really thorough — looking at everyone.
Freeman is the anti Tebow. Some QB skills, especially out of the pocket, but absolutely not the kind of guy Chip wants in his locker room. Wonder why he even works him out.
I could see Tebow because of high character. With Freeman, he would have to nail the interview process. Personally, I don’t see it, but what do I know.
Agree here. He is the worst. Every time I watched that guy screw up on the field (which was every other play), he looks like Jay Cutler and blames the guys around him. I can’t stand to see guys consistently do that on the field, especially QBs. Poor leadership. Peyton Manning is terrible with crap too. I don’t mind seeing it from time to time, but consistently making the sour face and bitching at your teammates for every mistake is unbecoming of a leader.
Well, if you are a true leader are rarely make mistakes, like Manning did in his prime, I don’t have anything against a QB demanding perfection. Brady is that way, Manning is that way. Rodgers and Brees aren’t easy on their teammates, too.
Thing is, if you make as many mistakes as the next guy, you better shut up.
looking at everyone to be a 3rd stringer? (cough) waste of time(cough cough)…it’s funny because people said CK rushed into doing the trade for Bradford that he doesn’t know what he’s doing. Yet he’s being extremely thorough with a 3rd stinger. I’m not sure he can be both…
Kelly said he watched every NFL pass Bradford threw that is not rushing. Granted with the injuries, that’s only 50 passes.
Tony Romo doesn’t like the Eagles very much
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/03/tony_romo_tells_jimmy_kimmel_i_dont_like_the_eagle.html
hopefully he feels that loss in his back this year.
What was the alternative? I really don’t blame him for that. I expect all of our players (- Murray, that would be unfair) to “not like the Cowboys very much”.
Good summary. BPA may be the high philosophy, but big board rankings always include need as well. The odds of a very solid OL or WR being available at 20 are high. Even if the #1 RB is there, the board will have at least one of the other positions rated higher. Same might be said for S. Probably only 1 QB rated above 20, can’t remember his name. Several 4-3 guys we won’t be interested in. Makes for a high probability of OL or WR being top pick, with CB certainly being in the mix as well. I suppose they might be interested in a total package DL/LB, but those are not likely to drop. Still developing one from last year, anyway.
Sam Bradford is or is not going to be the Eagles starting QB in 2015. My question is, IF Bradford is not going to be the Eagles QB, why make the trade for him when they did? What’s the strategic value of a several weeks Bradford-era where you’re hyping up a QB who’s not truly in your long term plans? It’s already been publicly confirmed that Cleveland’s 19 pick was (and presumably will continue to be) in play for Bradford. Was Chip’s casual press conference aside that he’d already been offered a first rounder just an inconsequential, uncalculated remark, or was it designed to establish a baseline trade value (presuming the press would do its due diligence and determine that first rounder to be Cleveland’s 19 pick) that any interested party would have to match or better. I think Chip truly likes Sam Bradford, and thinks he could be a good bit more successful than Nick Foles in his offense, but that does not mean that he won’t trade him. By trading for Bradford before the draft, you gain flexibility. You can keep him (and you must sell this publicly), flip him in a trade for Mariota, or else simply flip him for a pick.
So far the conventional wisdom seems to be that Chip either truly wants Bradford to be his starting quarterback, or else he’ll use Bradford in an attempt to trade up for Mariota. What happens to Mariota in the draft at this point is anyone’s guess. Maybe he goes to Tampa or Tennessee and our interest is moot. Maybe Chip remains so focused on getting his guy that he’s willing to trade up to one of those picks to get him. But if Mariota goes early, and the cost to get him is too prohibitive, does that then necessitate that Bradford is our QB going forward? What if Chip has a very high grade on Hundley, Petty, or some other QB, thinks they could be truly elite in his offense, and considers them a much better value than selling out for Mariota? What if someone ups the Browns offer? What if Cleveland offers 12? Would we be okay with a return of, say, Devante Parker, Jake Fisher, and Bryce Petty from the first two rounds of the draft?
then Sancho starts?
could be
joe banner is hilarious
him and Frank Caliendo should do a show.
Banner is a GREAT follow on Twitter.
I’ve grown to really appreciate him. His interviews have been great as well.
Joe Banner is a next level thinker, whether the knuckleheads in Philly appreciate him or not.
I thought Howie pushed him out, but in the new article it says he talks to Howie every day, which I found odd.
Banner knows it’s part of the business
I’m amazed how NFL scouts still value pro day so much over film
How ’bout Head Coaches?
Same, so stupid and worse is they still havnt learned from it yet
Does it amaze anyone else that Darren Sharper raped all of these women and nobody seems to care?
No not really…. because no one really cares about Ray Rice anymore.
Atleast Ray Rice is black balled from the NFL.
because he isn’t good enough anymore.
His defense will be that he was brought up watching the Cosby Show
Dallas just asked him to come out of retirement.
Peter King doesn’t
isnt he sort of out of the spotlight since all that happened?
The prosecutors who’re gonna put Sharp in prison for the rest of his life — and then the prisoners who are gonna rape him when he arrives — those guys care. A lot.
http://www.theneworleansadvocate.com/news/11898147-172/darren-sharper-has-struck-plea
Apparently he has plea deals in LA and New Orleans (breaking)
NFL.com has Jets, Packers, Seahawks, Bills and Colts as Free Agency Winners. Guess a lot of football folks think Eagles overpaid on Bradford. I don’t mind that at all. I think if Bradford has a career year and leads us to just one playoff victory, Jeff Fisher may not get much love.
Bradford was not a free agent pickup, so I don’t see how he would figure into winning or losing free agency, if there is such a thing
They named Seahawks winners because they landed Graham.
Yeah, that switched me up. When they said “overpaid” I immediate thought of Maxwell.
Losing Maclin was a huge blow. They should have re-signed him prior to the free agency period.
Right now their starting outside receivers are Matthews and Cooper. This means that they have to invest a high pick on WR this upcoming draft when they could have used that on some other position like OLB, OL, or CB/S
One of their criteria was value. They applauded Green Bay for hanging onto Cobb and Bulaga, and not overpaying either of them. They listed the Jets acquisition of Brandon Marshall. My understanding, Maclin was not going to sign without having the leverage of free agency. It worked for him. I’m okay with it. Kelly stopped his bidding at a reasonable place, I thought.
It was a blow, but part of normal football operations. I bet if you ask Kelly, he’d tell you that McCourty was a higher priority target. We “settled” for Murray, which may turn out just fine if Ertz and/or Huff step up, or we sign a WR in rounds 1/2, in another deep WR draft.
I remember during the preseason of the Dream Team, I pointed out that we were weak at the most important spot on defense, LB. You could now make an argument that we have the best LB contingent in football. If Bradford’s health holds up, we are looking *very* good this year. And the concerns over his health have been way overblown. They aren’t irrelevant, but if there were guarantees in football Vegas would go bust.
If the Redskins traded for Bradford, a similar deal to what we gave up, you’d be laughing at them and calling them “lolskins”. Admit it.
no matter what they do….
yes but i also wouldn’t have taken as much time to learn about bradford’s potential and whatnot.
how much did Redskins give us for Foles in this hypothetical before they traded him to the Rams?
That’s true, but the Redskins haven’t coached a team to 10-6 in multiple years and have earned no benefit of the doubt.
Exactly.
Edit: never mind I thought we were talking about Maxwell. Duh.
Greg Rosenthall, 25 March 2013: Eagles free-agency winners.
Cornerback Bradley Fletcher, safety Patrick Chung, tight end James Casey, defensive tackle Isaac Sopoaga, safety Kenny Phillips.
Good thing I didn’t buy any of these jerseys. Winning FA in March = so much hooey.
Judy Batista has a good read re: Hardy/Cowboys/hypocrisy:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000480269/article/cowboys-signing-of-greg-hardy-raises-questions-of-hypocrisy
Vick went to jail and bankrupt. I don’t think Hardy – Vick is a good comparison. You can decide not to give Vick another chance, but he waaay more earned it than Hardy.
The NFL acting as morality police is insincere and they are absolutely horrible at it.
I don’t think Hardy is a very good person or is deserving of sympathy, but even criminals deserve the right to have a job. When you talk about the NFL, or any company for that matter, not being allowed to hire someone convicted of rape, or domestic violence, or assault, you have to realize that this is basically a drawn out death sentence. Sex offenders can’t live anywhere, can’t work anywhere. If you’re wondering who the people sleeping on the streets are, a lot of them are the ones that can’t live or work anywhere. Where’s that puts the Cowboys? He’s a liability, but a liability that is still one of the best people in the world at his job. They wouldn’t be paying him so much if he didn’t still have market value. There’s no doubt in my mind that the Bucs and Seahawks wouldn’t sign him for less money, but are playing up their superior morality for the publicity.
If it helps with anyone’s morality, just remember that he’s doing irreparable damage to his body/brain.
I’d agree that I don’t begrudge a person to go find work after their legal business is settled; just not in my organization if we’re talking certain players / legal issues.
If Josh Gordon got his life together, I’d be cool with giving him another chance. I’m still offended we signed Vick.
i went on a rant about the hypocrisy yesterday. so fed up with the bullshit and it makes a mockery of the situation, and the public should be ashamed of themselves for being sheep who dont care about an issue for more then two days..
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Basically it has become a routine:
step 1) Player gets in trouble for some heinous act
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step 2) Team is forced to practically cut him because its what the public has come to expect
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step 3) some other team gets to “give him a second chance” for a fraction of the price.
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what a bunch of bullshit. We pressure a franchise into cutting quality players, yet we are perfectly fine with the next team picking him up and giving him a second chance? makes a mockery of the issues…
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you can beat your woman, and you will get a 6 game suspension, you will be waived, but some other team will pick you up right away.
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if we werent hypocrites and sheep we would make a big deal out of the Next franchise who takes advantage of the situation and profits off a womans misfortune by being able to get Greg Hardy at a cheaper price..
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if its all bullshit anyway, then lets stop pretending and just let the team keep its player. Greg Hardy made 13mil last year, while the panthers could have spent that on players that could help them,.,, Hardy got paid, Jerry Jones is getting one of the top 20 defenders in the NFL, and the only party really being punished is the Panthers. they wasted 13mil last year on a player they got nothing out of, and now they are forced to lose one of their top 3 players not to feel the wrath of public outcry…but its perfectly ok for jerry to profit off this, get a top player for a fraction of what he would cost… you would have to payt lke 50mil to get Grag Hardy on the open market. its disgusting…. if you arent going to pay Hardy fine, but the Panthers should either get to keep him, or they should be given a 13mil cap credit to spend on whatever they want,… the Panthers cant be the ones who get punished the most/… thats just a joke and makes a mockery of the situation and its an insult to our intelligence..
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ozzie newsome and the ravens disgraced themselves…superbowl champions and a year later they have 8 arrests in a year? disgusting… The niners were a top team for years and always had one of the most criminal filled rosters in the NFL….
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now Ozzie Newsome claims they will change their ways and wont employ scumbags anymore, and like a week after this announcement, Bernard Pierce gets a DUI at 5am smh.. Newsome had 3 RBs the past 3 years, Rice gone to knocking out his wife and dragging her unconsious body, they let Forsett get away and now Bernard is gone with a DUI,…… what good is it that Bernard Pierce got waived because he put himself and society at risk by getting behind the wheel of a car drunk, if the Jaguars literally pick him up a day later? how is this ok? you arent cleaning up the NFL, you just keep recycling scumbags and move them from one team to the next..
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why should John Harbaugh be punished because grown man Bernard Pierce is an asshole, while Gus Bradly is allowed to profit off this? if we arent going to care enough to force Real change, then cut the bullshit and pretending like we care just long enough to force a team to cut a player, and then stop giving a crap when someone picks him up the next day…what a crock of shit
ACV,
On what basis did Hardy gain an appeal of his “conviction”? I see a judge found Hardy guilty, but he appealed…and witness did not show up. But I don’t understand, typically you appeal on rules of law not facts. This case seems all facts (who did what to whom). If appealed on a rule of law, you would not need the witness.
I ask b/c I am trying to judge the value of the “conviction” or was it just that there was enough to go to trial. I googled some articles but can’t find any that care to tell me the details.
thanks in advance.
edit: typically you don’t appeal rulings on facts b/c they are not appealable. So I don’t understand what role the judge played. If her ruling was so egregious that her fact finding was overturned, then everyone who says he was convicted is doing him a wrong.
not sure if I understand the North Carolina process properly but from what I gather it is an automatic appeal, all his lawyers had to do was request it.
I’m not ACV, but lemme throw in my 2 cents. In North Carolina, misdemeanors are initially tried by a judge. If you lose, you can “appeal” that result by having your case tried by jury. In Hardy’s case, the judge found him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, he invoked his right to appeal, and the government dismissed the case when the alleged victim didn’t show up.
threatening to kill someone is a misdemeanor?
this makes some sense, thanks
is that the same as threatening to kill my TV when Sanchez throws another pick?
oh, and my remote…double homicide…
Victims testimony in ct also differed from her testimony to cops. There was no trial at all bc victim wasn’t a reliable witness in the first place.
It’s true that her statements were inconsistent but there absolutely was a bench trial, and the judge found him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. The state didn’t dismiss because she was a bad witness, though she may well have been. It dismissed because it couldn’t find her.
Right. she was willing to show up for trial #1 but not trial #2, having been (one might assume) sufficiently compensated.
That’s a strong possibility, yeah.
I don’t practice criminal law, and I’m sure ACV knows way more than me, but I think it is something weird in North Carolina, where the Judge trial was more like a preliminary trial.
That’s what the news accounts implied. Everyone’s entitled to a jury trial, but apparently in NC you get a judge trial first.
seems citizen friendly. You get two shots at being found not guilty. If you win, you stop. If you lose, you get to spin again.
The automatic appeal probably sets aside the original verdict, so one would risk getting a lengthier sentence in order to spin that wheel.
true, but still better to have the option. You just might choose the re-spin less. Makes it easy for judges to be tough on crime and get re elected too right?
Just for misdemeanors though. But yeah, it’s a good deal for defendants.
I’m also not a lawyer, but I’ve seen a lot of Law & Order. If his lawyer wants to make an impassioned plea and perhaps frame the assistant DA’s ex-spouse for the crime they can definitely appeal.
Maybe Hardy called Saul
Lots of good answers.
Here’s my 2 cents.
North Carolina — like most states — has a multi-tiered criminal court system. For example, traffic court (also called municipal court or magistrate’s court), superior court (court of common pleas in PA), court of appeals, supreme court.
In North Carolina, all misdemeanor cases begin in what’s called district court. (It could have been called “magistrate’s court” or “misdemeanor court”.) A trial is held before a judge. No jury, at that point. The goal is to move things along.
Hardy’s charge was a misdemeanor assault. (As an aside, even if he’d been tried by a jury and convicted after all appeals, he faced — based on NC’s sentencing guidelines — ZERO time as a first offender. Under the law, the maximum theoretical sentence was up to one year in prison, I believe.)
Anyway . . if a defendant is found guilty in district court in NC, he has an automatic right to appeal their case to Superior court.
The reason? Because every person in every state has the constitutional right to a jury trial — guaranteed by the 6th Amendment to the US constitution, incorporated via the 14th A as applicable to the states.
So the purpose of the “appeal” of his conviction in Hardy’s case from the district court to the “Superior Court” was so that he could have his jury trial.
So the buzz-phrase you heard is that Hardy’s appeal from the district court conviction was “de novo” — which means the case starts over again without regard for what happened in the district court.
From there, the process is pretty conventional. A conviction leads to an appeal to the appellate court and, depending on the jurisdictional rules about what cases must or may be heard, to the NC Supreme Court.
“From there, the process is pretty conventional.”
Except when the victim is bribed to not appear, thus rendering a trial and proper guilty verdict impossible.
But the obvious guilt of Hardy aside, thank you for explaining the legal process in NC.
The government offers a co-conspirator probation if he testifies against the other alleged co-conspirators charged with securities fraud totaling $100,000,000.
No bribe there, right?
Apples and oranges in my book. The co-conspirator isn’t really a victim.
In either case, there was a reason Hardy was found guilty of that crime by a judge; he abused that woman. I don’t begrudge him his freedom via the legal process NC, but the fact of his original guilt remains.
Judges in North Carolina are elected.
Think that influenced his decision?
A fair point to consider, but looking at how badly some fans close ranks around the obvious transgressions of their players it might have been smarter to have ruled not guilty.
No question that fans can be myopic.
Vick has his loyalists and apologists (including many NFL players).
Hardy has his.
All that aside, I can’t emphasize how valuable a jury verdict is, generally, because you have 12 people — with very different life experiences — usually reaching a unanimous verdict about a very important question in someone’s life.
It’s a remarkable event, when done right.
$hame we didn’t get a chance to see one with Hardy.
State courts are a disaster because of elected judges.
Who do you thinks paying for all their campaign adds?
(No, not football players — for sure.)
I’m with you on the lunacy of elected, rather than appointed, judges. An independent judiciary is a necessary thing.
I still see Hardy as guilty and abusive slime.
MM:
Having been on all sides of the legal system, I hold a different view about the money paid to the accuser — in so far as calling it a bribe (or obstruction or tampering).
Nothing in the American legal systems is simple.
And I respect you’re POV on that. As far as Hardy is concerned I see him as a massive POS who I wouldn’t want on my team.
MM:
Hardy’s not someone I’d invite to a barbecue. No question about that.
Bar fight? He’s my man.
Ha ha, a prison riot would be more fitting for that guy.
If I’m getting into a bar fight, I’m bringing Charles Barkley.
Great call . . .
Barkely’s a beast — and a great barbecue guest, too!
And if you really want to know who you’d want on your side in a fight, get Derrick Coleman. There is a really long article on the Malice at the Palace fight between the Pacers and fans of the Pistons. Several support staff personnel were all quoted as running immediately to Coleman because nobody in the world would fight him. I once saw Derrick Coleman grab Corliss “Big Nasty” Williamson by the neck, throw him down on the scorers table, and drop a series of massive punches on Big Nasty’s head.
Wiliamson was 6’7″ 250 and Coleman grabbed him like you might grab a broom.
Wow. Very tough dude.
i remember the corliss/Coleman fight…. DC was def a bad ass…… but the best NBA fight ever was Barkley and Lambeer… that was like a WWE fight, falls count anywhere, where they start fighting in the ring,l then they fight in the stands, then they fight in the locker rooms, then they fight outside…craziest NBA fight ever
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I miss the pat riley Knicks team tho…loved those psycho’s. John Starks, Anthony Mason(Rip), charles Oakley(Tyrone hill is still hiding from him)..used to love that team…
The best Oakley story is when Tyrone Hill owed Oakley $50k due to some poor luck gambling with Oakley one off season in Cleveland. Oakley approached Hill in the pre-season before a game started to ask about his $50k and Hill kind of blew him off. Oakley b-slapped and told him it was going to be double the next time they saw each other.
Oakley got in trouble for pegging a ball off of Hill’s head the next time.
Tyrone eventually paid.
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/basketball/oakley-hill-feud-over-gambling-debt-1.284722
yup!!! thats why i said Hill is still hiding from Oakley to this day! he used to be scared to death. I remember as a sixer he didnt come out of the locker room til right before tip off lol
id rather have him… then to have our quality men have to block that scumbag… Id prefer he serve a year long suspension, NO pay… his entire salary donated to woman of domestic abuse..FIRST TIME 1 yr suspension, and we wont talk about 2nd time, because there wont be a 2nd time… You can have a 2nd chance, we wont even discuss giving you a 3rd… thats what needs to happen!
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atleast Ray Rice isnt allowed to play but thats just bullshit. he isnt playing because he isnt very good. If he was capable of getting 10 sacks next year he would be on a roster already
Id rather have him on my team, then for Jason Peters or Lane Johnson to have to block him twice a year…but Id Rather him not play at all, atleast for an entire season with NO PAY. His money going straight to help the case associated with the crime created..
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im sitting here rooting for stone cold losers while I watch:
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1) the SEAdderal Seahawks, who will give ANYONE a “second chance” win superbowl
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2) The Ravens have 8 players arrested in 12 months time like a year after they have a superbowl to show for it
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3) 49ers had a roster full of knuckleheads for YEARS while being one of the dominant teams of the past 5 seasons. They are such scumbags that they were one of the few teams that wouldnt even cut their star player no matter how much trouble he caused LOL… Aldon Smith was making threats in airports, getting caught with an arsenal, getting all types of HAMMERED, LOL there was NOTHING he could do to get Baalke to cut him
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while I watch our boyscouts lose smh? when the hell will chip start giving out a few “second chances”? lol at least we got Kiko. He isnt a criminal, but he isnt exactly wired right either. Kids like half a psycho and I adore him for it! 🙂
SEAdderal Seahawks . . .
priceless
Hands on a woman; you’re not on my team.
Systematically murder countless dogs and operate a dog fighting ring; you’re not on my team.
Drug stuff, beating up dudes who act like they’re tough buy find out they’re not, general goofy stuff; I’m cool with 2nd chance here.
hands on a woman, you arent in the league
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murder dogs…. you arent in the league
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“beating up dudes who act tough,,,,,”….. hopefully you play LB for ME!!!! lol
On the subject of NFL policing its own, I think it cannot do nothing when it is helping to make some scumbags a whole lot of money. Part of the NFL’s problem is nobody wants to be punished for taking a hard line, and that happens quite a bit. I would like to see NFLPA and owners commit to zero tolerance for rape, abuse, gun-related misadventure, and generally violence and threat of violence outside of the game. For this to work, all franchises must be compensated in accordance with their loss. And franchises that take the biggest risks, meaning they draft knuckleheads and moral cretins more than most, should be compensated less generously. The standards can all be explicitly spelled out. This can be done with compensatory draft picks. Everybody wants to win, and everybody has a stake in trying to protect their assets, but owners need to see franchise as an asset with an image more critical than great player who is a violator.
So you’d rather take money from players who can maaybe change the lives and those of their families and friends and give it back to teams / owners? Nah. These guys are 21-25. Some have little home training I’d rather spend some of Goodells salary or cash teams hoard and provide mentorship programs for guys coming in so hopefully they don’t make the same mistakes. It’s one of the issues with having no one over 30 on these teams.
Is a compensatory pick coming out of players’ pockets? What I referenced are not “mistakes”. If a man chooses to slug his spouse or chooses to engage in intimidation by physical coercion, or any other incidents of solving problems with violence, let’s not pretend they didn’t mean it. These guys are often pampered and excused and tolerated at every turn, from grammar school to the NFL. The pretense helps nobody, particularly the player. Making exceptions for your guy means you’ll have to make exceptions for my guy and nothing changes. The NFL is not a reformatory. It is a massive industry that features world-class athletes who are well-compensated for their abilities. None of them are guaranteed anything, and the NFL’s position on violence has huge ripples throughout our society.
Zero tolerance for “misadventure” and “generally” anything? Zero tolerance sounds great in bars and on forums, but real life is too complicated, the world isn’t black and white. If you think Belicheck wouldn’t abuse a system where he could cut someone he didn’t want and be rewarded for it, you haven’t been paying attention.
Mob mentality and reactionary decisions are a terrible model. Look at what happened to AP this past year. Complete and utter BS.
look what happened to his 4 year old son.
talk about utter bullshit
What do you mean?
I thought you were saying Ap’s punishment was utter BS no?
and I was just mentioning that his poor son got the worst of it…
It was. Not that I would do that to my son, but this is America. AP wasn’t drunk or on drugs, he disciplined his son in the manner he felt appropriate. You want to give him counseling, fine. But that was a complete overreaction, based on fear of public backlash from previous under reactions. AP appears to have had his son’s best interests in mind. You may disagree, but if you want to tell me he deserved to lose a whole season, I’d like to check your life with a fine tooth comb. Hell, 90% of the NFL probably deserved to miss the season, under those guidelines.
I think a whole season was a bit much for sure and you are right it was because of the fear of public backlash thanks to ray rice.
but at the same time, drunk or on drugs is him harming himself, he hurt a little defenseless 4 year old… that is pretty bad. I don’t know that it should have anything to do with his job except for he is a public figure I suppose and the NFL is trying to save face, but then again child abuse is a crime isn’t it….just because he see’s it as a fit way of dealing with his kid surely does not make it right.
I dont think it’s right either.. But I have a hard time feeling he should be severely punished because his intensions seem to genuinely come from the right place. He should be educated, maybe a big fine donated to child abuse foundations, but no way did a 30 yr old RB deserve to lose an entire year when he doesn’t have too much playing time left in him…how much longer will a 31yr old physical unhinged RB play?
i agree… The only way he should have been punished if he had Malicious Intent…. I dont think he enjoyed hitting his son like that. I think in his head he was doing what was best for his son, instilling discipline in him the same way he was raised. Obviously im disgusted by the pictures of the bruises… but this isnt someone who neglected his child who ended up getting hurt, this isnt someone who was enjoying beating his son… I believe he was genuinely trying to raise his son the best way he knew how……. He absolutely should have to undergo tons of counseling, and parenting classes… but no way did a 30 yr old RB deserve to lose one of the last few seasons he has left…. i dont agree with what AP did, but I dont agree with the league punishing him the way they did.. basically the league made AP pay for the commissioners short comings. Goodell screwed up, didnt punish disgusting ray rice enough, AP was the next to get in trouble, so he had to pay the excessive price. he basicaly was the scape goat for goodell failing to do his job in the rice scandel
You think his son cares if he enjoyed it? Intent doesn’t matter. The outcome does.
You know, Hitler had Germany’s best interests in mind.
I go to that extreme because you’re being ridiculous. Parents rarely, RARELY, abuse their children intentionally. Sure, there are monsters out there, but for the most part, every one of them had the “best interests” of their kids in mind and “disciplined them in a manner that they felt appropriate.” You want to say the NFL handled it incorrectly? I’ll listen to your argument. I’ll probably agree with you. You want to minimize legitimate child abuse? You fuck right off with that nonsense.
Full disclosure: I work in child welfare.
Hitler? Umm, ok.
Much easier to judge than to lead.
If anything is reactionary it is turning the other way when one of your stars is known to have brutally abused a woman. I haven’t addressed DUI and drunken belligerence, and there are a whole lot of players who have done no worse. It isn’t a mob reaction when players and owners can reasonably agree that certain behavior is out of bounds.
Are you talking specifics or generalities? It’s easy to flipflop between the two when making an argument. It appears to me that Hardy is reprehensible. I’d love to see the specific language you recommend to address ALL future instances of player behavior such as this. AP for instance, has already been punished too harshly. Rice as well.
I’d love to see the person who’s lived a life that could survive “zero strikes”.
I think that’d be the way to go if they were serious about it. I think if they want the teams to be able to fully able to cut players for moral reasons, the money should be allowed to come off of the cap, and a compensatory pick should be granted on the same salary guidelines as there are or them now (stars get high picks, 4th stringers don’t at all). But the team is required to pay the remainder of the player’s guaranteed money, because they took on that risk. If you pick up a player that’s already been cut for morality reasons, you don’t get the cap relief or compensatory pick.
I see that being immediately abused, but the union should be able to agree to terms that would make this a bit more above boards than teams setting their guys up to be arrested just to get cap relief.
Wtf!!? Since when am I Keith Earley???? Lol….
Fast food and middle class. Hahahah
The other day, my screen showed a name, article titles and comments all in Spanish (or similar looking language. If this keeps up, I am going to feel uncomfortable posting credit card and social security numbers in the comments section for Tommy.
I know for a fact that chip does not want a running qb, because I read it here, but I thought this sounded interesting from chipwagon, talking about the running game:
Fortunately for the NFL defenses that have faced the Eagles in 2013 and 2014, they’ve only had to deal with a mobile QB when Michael Vick was starting. Since Vick got injured, Nick Foles, Matt Barkley and Mark Sanchez have run the Eagles offense. Adding the read-option component to the inside zone makes it an even more dangerous play, but the Eagles haven’t really had that dynamic since October 2013. As a result, since we didn’t have a mobile QB in 2014, we aren’t going to talk much about the read-option
Dangerous the the long term health of your franchise player if you go to that well one too many times.
of course. the pros are too gnarly on defense I guess. but don’t most qb’s get hurt n the pocket, aside form rg3.
I don’t recall vick getting hurt that way, although it was running when he pulled his hammy.
I don’t want a qb running and getting hurt either, no way, but the threat, just the threat is something….
but it will catch up to the qb if he runs out there. vick was special i guess because he sooo fast, was soo fast…
Yeah, the speed of some guys is alluring but it always fails them in the end and they’ve never learned how to play the game the right way.
Shame there are too many coaches that don’t put the work in to develop an athlete into a real QB.
oh but I do remember a couple years ago vick got smashed in the pocket when they swung him around and slammed him into the other guy.
The takeaway from that is Vick is just too dumb to feel out a rush.
russel Wilson is another exception, because he is smart enough to slide right, and only run when it’s wide open
Wilson is such a uniquely intellectual talent that I don’t think you can ask another guy to play like that.
why don’t we think that Chip’s best QB can’t slide like Wilson does? MM has years in Chip’s system already and yet we can’t think maybe he can decide when to run or not, and when to slide, and not get hit much?
“Could”; sure. “Will”; I can’t expect a guy to be Wilson.
And I don’t doubt we could coach Mariota out of running too often, but I’d have to see it to believe it. His rushing attempt totals at Oregon are far too many.
I hear you but Chip realizes you can’t run as much as in college (players are faster etc) and if he thinks his offense can hit another level with MM then I want to go along for the ride.
who knows. There’s too much time before the draft.
It’s not about the injuries like broken ribs or torn ACLs. RBs don’t last long past the age of the 30 because they’re brought down to the ground a lot. 20 to 30 times every game, 250-450 times a season. Over time it makes them weaker and less explosive.
Good pocket QB passers can last until their early 40s because on a bad day they might get 2 or 3 times.
But if you have a QB that gets tackled to the ground 10 to 15 times a game, it’s going to affect his passing and reaction times.
This draft is a tad Oregon heavy up top, I hope people like it.
Round 1 Pick 20: Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon (A)
Round 2 Pick 20: Jake Fisher, OT, Oregon (A)
Round 3 Pick 20: Derron Smith, FS, Fresno State (A)
Round 4 Pick 14: Ben Koyack, TE, Notre Dame (B+)
Round 5 Pick 9: Leterrius Walton, DT, Central Michigan (B+)
Round 5 Pick 20: Chris Conley, WR, Georgia (A-)
Round 6 Pick 20: Hayes Pullard, ILB, Southern California (B-)
Round 7 Pick 20: Quandre Diggs, CB, Texas (A)
MM:
Would you make a move for Mariota? What spot is your squeal point?
I’m actually more wanting to see what Bradford (or Petty if we go in the draft this year) to be honest
I wouldn’t mind any type of trade for Mariota as long as we didn’t go over the point value chart for the trade.
If we throw in players for Mariota I had better see them valuated at a high level as part of that deal.
I just don’t want to see multiple draft picks nukes to go and get one guy.
You cannot build a good team in the NFL if you don’t have a lot of your own cost controlled draft picks in the first 4 or 5 years of their deals on your team as starters because of the cap.
But all in all, if they can get Mariota on the roster and not get ripped off for whatever spot they take him I’ll be interested to see how it goes.
I’d only be apoplectic if they overpaid for the pick or took Winston or Hundley.
Assuming they love Mariota as much as widely believed (1) They have to move Bradford in the deal and get that #1 pick from Cleveland; (2) They have to have enough cap space and trade ammo left over to get a half decent safety this year. Clearing Bradford would take care of the cap space part.
Where do you do tehse drafts to get grades? I use fanspeak, which was pretty fun last year, but is a bit balky/buggy this season.
first-pick.com
First pick . com is the one the gives grades.
The problem with that site is that every other team is Dan Snyder and is always offering you a ton of picks to trade up, so you have to resist taking it seriously.
Why are we talking about the draft as if Chip Kelly is done with trades and free agency?
I hope he’s not done with cutting players yet. DeMeco collecting $7 mil to sit on his rear end is vile.
Because they have very little spare money for free agents and even fewer attractive targets. Trades have happened out of the blue, seems to be little on the horizon there so……
I’m no baseball expert, and I only follow the Phillies from a great distance, but what the heck is the deal with the Phils not giving their home grown talent a shot in the pros? I read they just sent Mikael Franco back to the minors and they yo-yo’d Darin Ruf back and forth constantly last year. They’re not going anywhere, they aren’t world series contenders, why not give the kids some run?
Franco simply isn’t ready yet. If you rush him up to the majors too soon, he could flame out before he gets enough minor league ABs to really learn the game properly. They’ll get him up here soon enough though.
I agree that Ruf should be up here and playing every day. He’s played enough in the minors and deserves to show what he can do full time.
Maikel still has holes in his swing he needs to work on.
Ruf is 28. He’s not really youth. He’s somewhere between a AAAA guy or bench player.
let me give you some advice: don’t even follow the Phils from a distance.
sixers are getting on my damn nerves,,, this is absurd. Nerlens already has 15 points at halftime. he wont stop dunking on the dirty knicks, and instead of being able toe enjoy him massacring them, im scared to death we are going to win tonight… must LOSE to this team!!!!! important two weeks, we play the lakers twice(MUST LOSE BOTH). Hopefully the lakers stick it to their owners and win meaningless games down the stretch like they did last year… we also play the Kings twice and MUST LOSE BOTH GAMES because the lakers are oinly 3-4 games ahead of Lakers, so if we give Lakers two wins and the kings stop winning games the lakers might catch them… They cant SCREW UP THE BLUE PRINT: AKA Backcourt of the future Emmanuel Mudiay and Stanley Johnson!!!
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hopefully get Myles Turner or Devin Booker to bring off our bench with the Heat pick…
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if the Lakers dont give us their pick this year its still a very valuable trade chip. I hope they would consider drafting Mudiay with our pick and using that Lakers pick to trade up from the Miami pick and snatch up Mudiay… best case scenario we get those two and still get to use the Heat and Thunder picks(fingers crossed)… but if we had to, I would be willing to use our pick, the lakers pick, the heat pick and the Thunder pick, all 4 picks to come away with Mudiay and Stanley, Its THAT SPECIAL of a backcourt… to pair those two with our twin towers and have Grant and Saric at SF, bring Wroten, Covington and T-robb off our bench….now we are talking..
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this is an excellent draft class so we cant go wrong, but it would be absolutely HUGE for this franchise to come away with an explosive 6’5 locamotive of a pass first PG who can get to the RIM WHENEVER HE WANT in Mudiay, and pair him with a James Harden Type scorer in a young Lebron James body… Stanley is going to be fantastic. the hitch in his shooting stroke is gone, and he is starting to shoot it beautifully.. That kid is going to average 20-28pts a night at the next level. 19yr old 6’7 240lbs of muscle who will light it up from 3 pt line, bully other guards with an array of post moves, or bully his way thru traffic and explode thru the air for a dunk…. The backcourt of the future… would be huge for our franchise..,. That dunk he had yesterday when he went baseline and exploded from almost outside the paint looked just like Lebron… and as good as they project on offense, they are both projecting to be high level defenders who really take pride on their defense
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get it done hinkie
Don’t worry about it. Nerlins is pumping up his trade value so Hinke can trade him for future draft picks.
yeah right… trading MCW is very different then trading a defensive game changer… truth is MCW would still be here if we could get him to sign a jrue holiday type extension. The problem is he was getting to insanely inflate his stats here and him and his people already started talking “MAX CONTRACT”, and hinkie made the right decision, he isnt a max player……. bet if we could have kept MCW, let him inflate his stats but sign a 40yr 40mil extension, he would still be here…
Sad is the MCW trade and the signing Ish Smith might be reason why the Sixers are playing so well
So says the guy that made the proclamation that KJ McDaniels would be resigned in the offseason based on “what you hear on the inside”. You actually jumped down my throat when I worried they would not resign him. I was a fool to think they would even keep him the rest of the year and an even bigger fool to listen to you.
To heck with that. Lakers are definitely going to lose twice to the Sixers.
Dunno about that. Lakers screwed the owners and won too many games late last year. While some teams like The magic will mail it in this time of year the Lakers are the opposite, their players will player their hardest these next couple weeks because they aren’t really Lakers players. They are a team full of Nomads who are going to want to play well at the end of the year because they are playing for a job next year. They will try to leave a good impression at the end of the year with alll the GM’s league wide… Exactly what happened last year, they sucked, but while teams mailed it in late in the year, they won meaningless games because they don’t have many actual lakers on the roster, as in guys with multiple years on their contract worth of security.,,most of the lakers have to find a new job this summer…need Brett brown to sit Mbah Moute our glue guy and one of our top defenders… I just need the lakers to do EXACTLY what they did last year, suck all year and win meaningless games at the end to stick it to management… And even if we don’t get the laker pick We can package it with the heat pick to trade up to like #6 or #7
That’s why you send straight to the bench any player that is playing too well. Besides, some of these guys could(bless their hearts) put out 100% effort and they’re still going to suck. Tarik Black? Ryan Kelly? Jabari Brown?
What I want to see is two teams playing each other, both blatantly trying to tank, as in purposely throwing the balls into the stand, dribbling it off their foots. A clash of wills to see which team has more tanking discipline.
Jesus Christ. I sacrificed two years to tank for draft position, watching a team openly designed to lose… Finally we get to the end of this very tough to ensure phase, all they have to do is lose for two more weeks after losing for two damn years and our sacrifice has a chance of paying off with great draft positioning… All this losing on purpose, we get to the very end and I have to now worry about is winning too many games because our coach is letting Mbah Moute play and score 15 points against the pathetic Knicks who is our direct draft competition? I can live with Nerlens or Jerami playing great atleast it’s good for their development .. But after all this sacrifice to let players who won’t be here next year screw up our draft position is ridiculous.. How is hinkie allowing Brett brown to play our veterans against teams like the Knicks, Lakers and Kings who we are in direct draft competition against
We had the 6th pick two years ago after trade, 3rd pick last year and Sam did well so stop worrying. Pretty deep draft at top also. Knicks stink , someone has to win.
The fact is, the Sixers are no longer the worst team in the league. This isn’t like last year where the top 3 guys were pretty obvious… there are quality options at 4, 5, 6.
Honestly I would prefer having Russell or Towns over Okafur.
However if you get the chance to draft Okafor you probably have some interesting trade-down options.
I think Okafor is going to be special. I really do. That guy has some phenomenal footwork. I little soft defensively for a 7 footer though
two kinda interesting lesser talked about players
…Bobby Portis who has put his offensive game together and Mario Hezonja is intriguing. Really don’t know anything about Porzingis except rumors OKC was going to draft him last year and he pulled out of draft. sorry about sixers talk
Even the Miami pick is getting on my nerves. Currently standing at #17 with two wins games behind of being #18 and two games ahead of being #10.
OKC is two wins behind #19 and they’re probably not going to play Durant this season.
I gave up hope on the LAL pick. I was hoping that they would have the 5th worst record and that some team with a 6 to 14 worst record will jump them in the draft leaving Philly with the #6 pick. That’s not going to happen, they’re 4 games behind the #5 worst record.
With the Sixers having the 3rd worst record, maybe moving ahead to the 4th, it means that their pick has more than a 50% chance of being in the 4 to 7 range.
yeah i’d like that Heat pick 10-12 range. lot of teams within a couple games.
the Lakers were never going to fall back. the west is far tougher. they will probably finish ahead of us in tank but it’s still up in the air. we have two games vs Lakers one at Lakers Sunday night.
If the Heat pick were to fall to #10 or below they get to keep it. I think their pick is going to be at it’s highest point ever this year. Next year they get back Bosh.
Everyone who follows sixers knows that but thanks anyway, i follow it . they were 10th and won 3 in a row. 10th-12th would be the best place. 9th is 5 wins behind. only 14 or so games left so I’m hoping Miami lose some now.
My interest in basketball waned the second time Jordan retired. Out of curiosity, how many teams are trying to lose at this point? Do people still go to the games? What is the protocol for fans? Do you cheer when your team scores, or turns it over?
I know what you mean… Watching Noel play like that though is exciting in and of itself. And Ish Smith… I’m starting to think he’s actually a player.
You should be happy that Hinkie has found a few potential gems and Noel is stepping up, which proves Brown can coach the hell out of this team.
Also next year if Embiid is healthy and the Sixers still get a guy like Russell, they will be in play offs.
Its not Towns or bust for the Sixers, just as it wasnt Wiggins or bust.
i dont even know what you are talking about. I always knew Nerlens had way more offensive potential then people realize..
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and the dream to get out of this draft with is a mudiay/Stanley Backcourt…. Hinkie should trade all our first round picks this year if he has to, to come away with those two.,.,.
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if the Lakers dont give us their pick this year, trade their top 3 protected pick next year, the heat pick, and the thunder pick for Stanley Johnson. Throw in Wroten if you have to… and draft Mudiay with our pick… philly wont be sorry
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and hinkie still has 5 second round picks to play with
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wish we could add Cauly Stien freak defense… if we had defensive front court pieces of Stien, Nerlens, Embiid, Grant, T-Robb, no one would want to play us in a 7 game series… we could bring Grant and Stien off the bench and teams wouldnt even be able to run pick n rolls because they are so athletci they will blow up your pick n roll with length, switch and be able to handle who ever they are matched up with… freak defenders… Adding Stien to our defensive arsenal would be insane… but he falls in between our picks so i doubt we have a chance at him…
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shoot for Mudiay/Stanley,… settle for Mudiay/hezonja
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if we dont trade the Heat pick try and snatch up Myles Turner, stretch 4, super athletic shotblocker, rebounder off our bench, or Booker…. if we dont trade the Thunder pick, try and snatch up RJ Hunter.. he will really be a nice player at the next level, now you see every defense focused on stopping him and he still thrives… embiid wil give him wide open looks on the wing next year and his gamne will really flourish when every team isnt worried about stopping him
I agree. And the Sixers take so much sh#t for tanking when in reality other teams aren’t even trying to hide what they are doing. To Anders below, I get it, Brown can coach. But if the whole plan is make sure you get a star, then picking 2nd versus 4th can be a big deal.
I’d much rather they lose out, and I don’t care how bad it looks to make that happen. Just sit Noel, say his foot hurts. It’s no worse than what the other teams are doing.
How about this one?
20: R1P20
WR AMARI COOPER
ALABAMA
52: R2P20
CB KEVIN JOHNSON
WAKE FOREST
84: R3P20
WR DEVIN SMITH
OHIO STATE
110: R4P14
QB BRYCE PETTY
BAYLOR
137: R5P9
C B.J. FINNEY
KANSAS ST
148: R5P20
S CLAYTON GEATHERS
CENTRAL FLORIDA
180: R6P20
OLB DEION BARNES
PENN STATE
212: R7P20
CB BRYRON JONES
CONNECTICUT
Super optimistic but I love it!
Implying Amari Cooper isn’t gone by single digits.
It’s a mock draft simulator. They’re just playing it out the way the draft board falls for them.
It doesn’t make any sense though. There’s no chance Amari Cooper is available at #20. He most likely won’t be available at #10.
That is exactly the thinking that caused the AI-controlled GMs of the teams 9-19 to snub him and get him to 20.
can i get a link to this simulator?
http://fanspeak.com/ontheclock/choose_board.php
The Eagles should trade for this offensive lineman from the Ravens and Penn State:
http://deadspin.com/ravens-lineman-john-urschel-loves-math-more-than-you-lo-1692687404#
Maybe he could help tutor Bradford in Calculus II.
Round 1 Pick 29 (IND): Cameron Erving, OT/OG, Florida State (A)
Round 2 Pick 20: Byron Jones, CB, Connecticut (A-)
Round 2 Pick 22 (DET): Marcus Peters, CB, Washington (B+)
Round 2 Pick 23 (ARI): Jake Fisher, OT, Oregon (B-)
Round 2 Pick 25 (CAR): Breshad Perriman, WR, UCF (A)
Round 2 Pick 26 (BALT): T.J. Clemmings, OT, Pittsburgh (B+)
Round 2 Pick 28 (DAL): Phillip Dorsett, WR, Miami (Fla.) (C-)
Round 2 Pick 29 (IND): Devin Smith, WR, Ohio State (C)
Round 3 Pick 20: Jay Ajayi, RB, Boise State (A)
Round 3 Pick 24 (DET): Ben Koyack, TE, Notre Dame (C+)
Round 4 Pick 14: Kurtis Drummond, FS, Michigan State (B-)
Round 5 Pick 9: Chris Conley, WR, Georgia (D+)
Round 5 Pick 20: Zack Hodges, OLB, Harvard (B-)
Round 6 Pick 20: Clayton Geathers, SS, UCF (A)
Round 7 Pick 20: Antwan Goodley, WR, Baylor (F)
I think there’ll be a lot of competition in camp if this happened.
I’ve noticed that Clemmings has started to slide on that side. I wonder if that is just fans not picking him as early or an actual slide down mock draft boards from writings hearing that teams are souring on him.
His tape is not amazing, and draftnik’s got excited of his perceived athletic potential and ability to be a good LT. Teams see someone with a lot of technical issues and not the most violent personality. the beating he took at senior bowl did not help. Will be a very interesting decision on draft day. If a team thinks they can teach him the skills and he can pick them up quickly he could be a top 15 pick. If not he could slide to early 2nd round.
Round 1 Pick 26 (BALT): T.J. Clemmings, OT, Pittsburgh (B+)
Round 2 Pick 20: Breshad Perriman, WR, UCF (A)
Round 2 Pick 21 (CINN): Jalen Collins, CB, LSU (A)
Round 2 Pick 26 (BALT): Derron Smith, FS, Fresno State (B)
Round 3 Pick 20: Jay Ajayi, RB, Boise State (A)
Round 3 Pick 26 (BALT): Lorenzo Mauldin, OLB/DE, Louisville (B)
Round 4 Pick 14: Bryce Petty, QB, Baylor (A)
Round 5 Pick 9: Nick O’Leary, TE, Florida State (A)
Round 5 Pick 20: Kenny Bell, WR, Nebraska (B+)
Round 6 Pick 20: Clayton Geathers, SS, UCF (A)
Round 7 Pick 20: Nick Boyle, TE, Delaware (C+)
If we’re looking at the roster in terms of who might not be on it in 2016 and beyond, I wonder how much that’ll impact who they draft in 2015.
QB – I’m not going to touch this.
RB – Murray seems long term, Mathews is mid-range, Sproles shouldn’t be here past 2016, and Polk is only part here right now.
WR – Cooper’s back alley abortion of a contract should have him gone after this season, Matthews and Huff are here for a while. Maehl, Murphy, and Pratt ideally aren’t on a 53 man roster.
TE – Ertz is here, Celek should not get another contract (or even be payed $4.8 mil this year and $5 mil next year for being a 3rd tackle at this point of his career), and Burton is not a guy you make long term plans around.
O-line: Peters and Mathis are older with Mathis already being shopped. Lane and Kecle are long term players here, we lack a starter at RG, and our backups sucked last year.
LS/P/K – I’m not stressing on this group.
D-line – Cox is under control through 2016, Bennie should be here, Thorton is cheap to keep, Allen is here, Curry has one year left, Hart may or not step up, and Bair is a fringe player.
LBs – Barwin, Graham, and Smith II are here outside. Meco making $7 to lay around is a war crime – but he’s “here” for now. Kendricks not being signed beyond this year raises questions. Kiko should be here to stay. Brad Jones should have a spot in some way, shape or form. Acho, Goode, Braman, and Long are what they are.
S – Jenkins is a starter. Maragos is a special teams ace. Wolff cannot be counted on. Reynolds is question mark. Couplin and Prosinski are guys.
CB – Maxwell is set at one spot. Carroll is here. Boykins has one year left on this roster. Watkins is a question mark. Thurmond is a one-year rental.
So without touching QB; we’re missing long term quality at WR, TE, 3 O-line spots, DE, S, and CB. I still don’t like where we are at OLB if Smith II doesn’t get to the 8 (+/- 2) sack level this year.
Should be an interesting draft.
Free agency could be fun next year as well. The Eagles currently have 45 guys under contract for 2016 and have $117 mil pledged in salary for what should be a $153 – $155 mil cap.
I’d still like to project a cut of DeMeco from this year’s cap where the Eagles currently have about $7 mil of space. They, in theory, have $14 mil to carry over to the appx $35 mil they’ll be under next year.
Going into next year the only guys I need to see cut are Cooper and Celek. That gets another $8 mil back vs. the cap.
Given all of that, I’d call at least $53 million a good number to look at for 2016 cap space.
We’ve got a ton of good young players coming on on new deals that’ll eat up a lot of that in 16,17, and 18. Lane, Ertz, Bennie, Matthews, Kiko, and Cox are the first ones that come to mind.
Seeing what goes on at QB is the big question with money as well.
there must be some kind of flow chart decision making tree for DeMeco that Chip is waiting to see how it plays out before doing something.
Yes, by the love of my Eagles, 7m is crazy for him. You reward Barwin, compared to Graham, and you give your third ILB Ryans 7m. How does that look like for other players all over the roster?
I think they will give Meco the pay cut, but I don’t know why that hasn’t happened so far. Maybe they wait for the rehab process, but that’s the only thing I can think of.
I think this, more than anything, is why people wonder if he’ll only be third ILB in a few weeks’ time.
We only owe Mufasa $100,000 before the season, and due to his injury he would have had a limited market in FA anyway. So the Eagles will let him come in and compete in camp – give leadership and do his recovery with the team, and we will look at things then. If both Kendricks and Kiko are fit we will ask him to take a significant paycut/extension or cut him. If either is not ready to go for some reason we have a perfect replacement this season.
But why give Meco the leverage? I don’t get it. He’s a leader and great in the locker room, but if Chip says to him today: you get 3m base + 500k in incentives, otherwise we will cut you. How could Meco say no to that? If would be a good deal for him (he’s probably worth 2.5-3m, probably even less with the injury and the two down skills) and the Eagles still save 3.5-4m against the cap.
If Kendricks or Alonso get hurt in camp, or if Kendricks gets traded, Meco has leverage, while at the moment, he will happily accept anything north of 3m.
Even if you talk about a leader and great locker room guy, why would you give leverage to a player? If the Eagles want to pay him good money to make him happy, they still can do that (like my example with the 3m base + 500k), but a team should look to do those things on their terms.
Now, it could be the case that Meco and the Eagles aren’t even sure if he can play anymore. But if that’s the case, why did Chip said in his presser that Meco will be back? He could have just said: “I hope Meco is back, we want him back, but we have to see how the rehab is going”, with no harm whatsoever for any party.
meco has no leverage.. he got hurt in november.. it doesnt matter what happens to kendrick or Kiko, Meco wont be ready to start in september… I assume this is chip being a class act, respecting Mufasa to do him a solid and not throw him on his ass like this where no one would touch him and he would be lucky just to get a lowball offer. I assume that if there is someone we want to trade for our sign and we need to free up money, we can adjust his contract,,, but if there isnt anything to do with the money, I assume we just leave him alone, use his leadership to help the locker room get over some of the big losses of friends, and mesh all these new eagles into our locker room…
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im not even sure Meco will be ready to really compete in Camp… figure mini camps are like 5 months after his injury. No way he will be ready for the mini camps.. Camp is like 8 months after the injury, how is he going to win a job 8 months later? how is he going to play in the preseason 9 months removed from achilles surgery at the age of 31? how will anyone count on him to start in september? he may not be able to even get a low ball offer in free agency,…
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to me it seems like Chip having Class, really respecting Mufasa and possibly try to hold on to him an get him to reture as an eagle eventually, maybe move him into the coaching staff in a year or two after he is tired of tryingb to get back to the player he was. took him 2 years last time
No coach will expect Meco to start in september 10 months removed from achilles surgery. How could they? he is 31 years old, and the last time he suffered the same exact injury he was 26yr old in his prime and it still took him two years to get back from the injury..
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I assume he is here out of respect to not throw him out on his ass mid rehab at the age of 31 when no one will touch him unless someone tries to seriously low ball him.. he is also doing his rehab at novacare with our team trainers, doubt we throw him out on his ass mid rehab… He is here out of respect for the class act he has been, and we figure we can use him in the locker room now more then ever since we are having so much turnover, losing key guys and bringing in new faces. Kendrick also seems to miss two games per year, hopefully Meco will be ready to fill in short term for mykal if he gets hurt midseason…. but i doubt meco will be able to win some camp competition this summer and be counted on to play a big role in september because he got hurt late in the season…
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im sure he knows that if we need money he will either have to take a pay cut, or restructure to free up some cash… but considering the injury timeline and the fact that we already saw how he recovered from this type of injury, I assume he is here out of respect, and for his leadership… nothing more…. and Im talking about one of my 5 favorite eagles and favorite LB since Trotter
RIP Concrete Charlie.
I was 16 when the Eagles won the Championship in 1960…What a fun ride that was…Van Brocklin to Retzlaf & McDonald…Cobcrete Charlie playing center & MLB…..We handed Vince Lombardi his only Championship LOSS! …R.I.P. Charlie…
He was way before my time but even I knew he embodied what the Eagles should be. May his legacy be passed onto every future Eagles fan generation.
I know it could be misdirection but what do you take of the rumors that chargers could trade rivers for MM, saints could trade Bree’s or jets could take him. Which teams do you think really have interest?
I think all 3 will have interest. The thing with Mariota is that he has limited nfl scheme experience and needs technique refinement, but otherwise has everything that you want at QB. If a coach believes they can teach him he could be really good in 3 years time. If you are the chargers and think rivers is not going to resign with you get ahead of the curve and get the future now.
If you are going into full rebuild mode as the saints Brees will stop you getting any top QB in the future and you may think rebuild this year and next and be in a position to contend in 3-4 years time – something Bree’s may able to give you.
As for Jets – they are a superbowl team with a QB and a decent draft
I like that we worked out Josh Freeman. He was the QB throwing to Nelson Agholar during last weeks work out… i dont know how much Freeman fits our “character requirements” but I would love to see chip trying to develop his skill set instead of Barkleys or Tebows..
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Tebow can only be an Eagle if he wants to be the ultimate ST player who happens to be our emergency game day QB, and possibly a wildcat QB for Goal line to preserve Bradfords body and have Tebow/Demarco run some read option plays in the redzone… can also switch it up and use Tebow as a fullback lead blocker for Demarco in goal line. No team will practice for Chip kelly using a lead blocker
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its a shame Tebow is a Brat about playing QB,…Id love to stick him on our roster as a key ST beast like Braman, let him be the emergency gameday 3rd QB, but ONLY if he lets us try to develop him into GRONK!!!!