Combine Update

Posted: February 24th, 2014 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 129 Comments »

Let’s jump right in and talk about some interesting topics.

Peter King mentioned in an article that the Eagles met with Johnny Manziel. Say what? We’re going for Johnny Football? Uh, no. The Eagles have met with all the top underclassmen for years. This began under Reid/Heckert and continues today. Why? Scouts start doing research on prospects in May. They gather all kinds of info and build detailed reports. Underclassmen declare in late December or early January. The team may have done some preliminary work, but doesn’t have as good a feel for those guys. One way to catch up quickly is to make sure you meet with them at the Combine.

Here is the specific comment from King.

[Manziel and his agent, Erik Burkhardt, declined to discuss how many teams he met with this weekend or which they were, and the executive of the team I just referred to didn’t want to identify his team because it has an established quarterback and didn’t want to drum up controversy in that market. But it’s known from reports in various places that Manziel met with Houston, Jacksonville, Cleveland, Dallas, Tampa Bay and Philadelphia coaches and team officials, and very likely Oakland, this weekend before flying back to Texas late Sunday afternoon.]

This isn’t a big deal. The Eagles are just doing their due diligence.

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The WRs worked out on Sunday and they put on quite a show. That’s bad news for Jason Avant and doesn’t really help Riley Cooper either.

I’ve had my doubts about the return of Avant. He is still a good possession receiver and blocker, but that’s about it. He’s got almost no RAC ability. People think of him as a good STer, but that’s more from the past. Per the Eagles official stats, Avant didn’t have any STs tackles this year. Great leader, but a limited player in this offense.

We don’t know what Chip Kelly wants in a slot receiver, but he’ll have his choice of players. Does he go for a small, quick guy? Does he prefer someone with speed? Does he want a big guy? The WR class is deep and talented enough that Kelly should be able to find what he’s looking for.

As for Cooper, the amount of good prospects hurts his value to the Eagles and other teams. Would someone in need of a solid starter rather sign Cooper or draft a player like Allen Robinson in the 2nd round? You could go for Martavis Bryant or Jordan Matthews after that. Or maybe you prefer smaller, faster guys. Brandin Cooks is an explosive 2nd round prospect. Or you could go for someone like Bruce Ellington with big upside in a later round.

Cooper is a proven commodity…sort of. He had one breakout season and even that has to be put into context. Cooper played opposite of one of the fastest players in the whole league. His RB led the league in rushing and so did his team. There were a pair of good pass-catching TEs. You can argue that Cooper will get even better with a full season as a starter. Or you can say that he needs the right circumstances to be successful. That all depends on your vantage point.

If the price is right, I’m still in favor of keeping both Maclin and Cooper, but there is something to be said for keeping just one and then adding a receiver in the draft. That guy could come in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th round and still be an effective player as a rookie.

In terms of big receivers, I still think Robinson from PSU would be a great fit. He is 6-3, 220, almost Cooper’s identical size. We know Kelly likes big receivers. Robinson has better RAC skills and could be a good starting receiver. Robinson ran a 4.60, but I expected that. He isn’t a burner on tape. Robinson is a workhorse receiver. He caught 97 passes this year. To put that in perspective, Cooper caught 81 passes in his entire career. I think Robinson is the kind of guy who you could feed the ball to.

That said, some of the speedy guys were a ton of fun to watch. Ellington and Cooks aren’t 6-2, 220 guys, but they are both very dangerous with the ball in their hands. Cooks could sneak into the 1st round, but more likely is a 2nd round pick. He ran 4.33 in the 40, which shows great straight-line speed. He ran 3.81 in the short shuttle, which shows quickness and agility. Can you imagine him in the slot or across the formation from DeSean Jackson? Ellington is incredibly fascinating because he used to be the starting point guard for the South Carolina basketball team. He ran 4.45, which gives him above average speed. Both guys looked terrific in drills. You could see them as gifted athletes with great body control. These guys could be very dangerous in space.

The Eagles could add a pair of receivers, one for the slot and someone else to play outside. The team could cut Avant and then lose Cooper in free agency. Getting Maclin back would make up for one guy, but he would only sign a short-term deal. Add some other player to battle with Arrelious Benn for a roster spot.

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Tim McManus had an interesting comment in his Combine report.

– Brandon Graham is a player to keep your eye on this offseason.

The people we talked to believe he is a 4-3 defensive end, pure and simple. Not a scheme fit.Howie Roseman knows the value of pass rushers in this league so I don’t think he will be in a hurry to trade Graham necessarily, but I do think he will entertain any offers that come through.

Graham would benefit from a fresh start and could be attractive to 4-3 teams looking to bolster their pass rush. The Eagles need to build this defense with pieces that fit. Not a lock, but I think there is a decent chance he gets dealt.

I mentioned the other day that I think the Eagles should trade Graham. I don’t see him fitting in the 3-4. Deal him and use some resources (draft pick, money) to build up depth at OLB.

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  • Insomniac

    Was there a reason why Dee Ford didn’t work out?

    BG to Seattle for their 4th round pick sounds fair but it won’t happen.

    I still think Jarvis Landry fits every criteria except for being a burner for being the ideal “Chip Kelly” receiver. A name that isn’t mentioned at all for WR depth for us is Kevin Norwood. He could be a great value pick if teams decide to overdraft the workout warriors.

    • anon

      Ford was held out by the medical staff. Apparently in his physical they noted that there was an issue with the surgery that he had for a herniated disk like 2 years ago, they said there could be an issue if he exerted himself. It’s unclear whether it’s a big deal or not a deal at all.

      • Anders

        It is because the combine has a rule that if they find anything, the player isnt allowed to participate even if he wants. Austin Sefarian Jenkins was held out for the same reason (fracture in his foot he didnt knew he had)

        • Ben Hert

          You’d think they’d have some kind of full physical similar to what they’d get at the combine before hand to get that stuff out of the way.

          • Anders

            It costs money and they can still interview and work out at their pro day.

    • Anders

      I wanna swap him for Shea McClellin. McClellin is getting moved from DE to SAM LB this year, but the Bears really need a DE, so I guess they would be happy to make the swap.

      • GEAGLE

        Oooh I like him

    • GEAGLE

      If trade BG to Seattle for Jesse WilliIams(if his knee checks out)..with them cutting red Bryant!they may not want to trade jesse

  • anon

    Rotoworld / Profootballtalk noted that Jerry’s son is the one that was praising manziel — saying he was a young Romo (wow).

    • Weapon Y

      Only in the Jerry regime would “young Romo” be a compliment

      • Anders

        If Manziel became Romo as a passer, he would be a star (Romo has one of the highest career passing ratings in NFL history)

  • D3FB

    Other Wide receivers I cold see us target: include
    Cody Hoffman: good production, big boy, decent RAC skills
    Cody Lattimer: 6’3 215, loves to block, good hands, good speed for size
    Michael Campanaro: 5’9, 191, ran a 4.46, solid hands, great production with terrible QB play, workhorse player from the slot, shifty. Do yourself a favor and go watch a few tapes on this kid. He is fun to watch.

    • anon

      Tons of great people did their thing on saturday. Excited about WRs since it’s a need (even UDFA should be strong).

      • D3FB

        Nice thing is if there is a run on WR it pushes other players down. If there isnt there will be great talent sitting on the board on day 3.

    • mksp

      Thoughts on Abbrederis or Herron for the slot?

      • D3FB

        I’m a fan of Abbrederis. Runs great routes, history of concussions concerns me.
        I don’t have any strong feelings on Herron. I’ve watched a couple tapes. He’s a good athlete, decent RAC ability.

        • mksp

          Didn’t realize he had a concussion history. Takes him off board for me, especially considering the 4 rep bench press. Get in the weigh room dude! Do some neck exercises.

  • Flyin

    The #3 WR… This may be a dumb question, yet that’s expected of me…

    My understanding in a traditional offense the #3 WR is the slot guy.

    So if Maclin was healthy this year, would Cooper have been the #4 WR based on Avant being the slot guy? Rather than #2?

    • D3FB

      Correct.

      • A_T_G

        Agreed, but that also means that the numbering isn’t representative of how they are plugged in when an injury occurs. The #3 doesn’t get plugged in for an injured #1 or #2 necessarily.

        Actually, what I am describing is exactly what we all saw happen just months ago. So, never mind. I just wasted all of our time.

  • Weapon Y

    Rational people like me know this was just the Eagles doing their due diligence. Just wait until all the rabid anti-Foles trolls start yapping about how Chip’s had this secret conspiracy this whole time to get rid of Foles and now he has his sights set on Johnny Manziel to be Plan B for Michael Vick. Guess what, guys. If Chip wanted Foles gone, he would’ve been traded last year when Andy called us from Kansas City. Foles and Chip are a perfect match. They look for the big play, but are risk averse to turnovers. Foles is superb at reading defenses, which is THE most important trait to running Kelly’s option plays. Saint Nick ain’t going anywhere for a thousand years. Chip said so himself. Johnny Football (while part of me loves watching him and doesn’t give a you-know-what about the stupid media-inflated BS about his “character”) ain’t coming here.

    • Flyin

      Does this mean Foles can fill in as the #3 WR? And pass it to himself?

    • shah8

      I’m amused.

      1) No young QB is ever any good at reading defenses. Not Foles, not Andrew Luck, not Russell Wilson, and neither Joe Webb. Takes about 4-5 years of regular starts before you can do it. Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco pretty much only just started to truly get the hang of it in 2012! And Vick is for sure better at reading defenses than Flacco. Or Stafford. That’s because he’s a vet.

      2) I’m not ant-Foles because I hate him, just like I’m not pro-Vick simply because I love him. I simply believe that he has insufficient athletic talent (arms and legs) to be a viable starter. It doesn’t mean that I don’t tip my hat to him for the season he has had, but it does mean that I believe it is very unlikely that opening day 2015 will see Foles as the starter. He’ll either have to get much better than I think he can be (and monster credit to him if that happens), or he’d have to have the front office stubbornly supporting him like Speilman’s support of Ponder.

      Seriously though, when you look at QBs without the genuine tools needed to play (relative to peers), only Brad Johnson and Wade Wilson were ever consistent reasonably high quality performers. Even Chad Pennington yo-yo’d a bit. Most of the rest, like Jake Delhomme, who had a hyperbolic Steve Smith for his peak career, or Matt Hasselbeck/Trent Green with historic OL and rushing attacks, these guys tend to yo-yo with a good year, bad year–and they only ever make noise when they have a good defense, because virtually every one of them (with the exception of Chad Pennington, to a lesser extent Delhomme) wilts in the playoffs.

      Compare with some, say, Philip Rivers. Generally, year in and year out, he’ll more or less give you franchise QB production, good stuff sends team to playoffs, bad stuff damps down to 8-8 or 7-9. If you splice together Vick’s healthy years, not too much yo-yo either, but again, injury can be a disqualifier, but wanted to make that point. That’s what a franchise quarterback actually is. Pretending that Foles is one will not ever make him one. That’s really up to him, I guess. And I strongly doubt anyone is going to put up with opportunistic scoring next year–nobody missed how consequential the low scoring until Keenan Allen had to leave the game was.

      • Dave

        “Takes about 4-5 years of regular starts before you can do it. Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco pretty much only just started to truly get the hang of it in 2012! And Vick is for sure better at reading defenses than Flacco. Or Stafford. That’s because he’s a vet.”

        Either you’re saying intelligence can be learned or that reading defenses is easy once you learn how to do it.

        If you’re stating the former, I lol’d; If the latter, I will remind you of Antoine Winfield on delayed corner blitzes and how well Vick read them.

        • shah8

          Delayed blitzes:

          1) Are a reflection of just how much defenses *respect* Vick, and just how much the field is tilted when Vick is running the offense. It’s simple recognition that Vick will pick apart any secondary, given a clean pocket.

          2) All QBs that liked to hang onto the ball face their share of delayed blitzes. Aaron Rogers and Ben Roethlisberger (not so much now he’s getting rid of the ball faster) were two that definitely saw their share in 2011 and 2012, and no, they didn’t do any quarterback-fu and made the defense pay. What their *TEAMS* did was either change the offense, like for Big Ben, or in both cases, get a genuine running back to shove the safety to reading the plays more.

          3) That the delayed blitzes worked as well as it did is a reflection of Reid’s pronounced tendency to pass the ball, and the lack of hot routes or any sort of real way to adjust routes. No option routes in Reids offense, and it wasn’t easy to make a defense pay in the passing game. Also, I suspect one reason Reid just tried to bulldoze on was because delayed blitzes are unsound defensive practices. It generally required an excellent tackling safety or CB to do well, which is not what every team had–and if you mess up or if the OC catches your timing, you’re very, very, screwed.

      • Jernst

        All that sounds great except for the fact that Joe Montana, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Tom Brady (especially early in his career before he developed a stronger arm), and Kurt Warner all failed to meet your requisite physical aptitude tests too.

        And, Vick, as much as I love him as a football player and respect his career, who is the epitome of physical gifts when it comes to running ability and arm strength, only had short bursts over the course of his career where he was anything more than a running back w a strong arm playing inefficient QB.

        • shah8

          Again, don’t be belittling the good players to boost your fave. Joe Montana was not particularly weak for his peers, and when he got older, the 49′ers started getting antsy for Young, precisely because Montana couldn’t do certain passes that really needed to be made anymore.

          Peyton Manning, when he was drafted, was not at all a weak armed QB. Compared to Ryan Leaf, sure, he was weaker. And in general, Manning(today, with help), Brees, Brady all could do the basic throws, with accuracy. Foles isn’t in that category, which is why he avoided certain routes.

          And lastly, no matter how much verbiage people like you use in order to push the line that Vick is a RB who could throw, the basic fact of the matter is that if he actually was Darren McFadden or Ronnie Brown, he wouldn’t have been picked No.1. He wouldn’t have had successful seasons and postseason glory. Vick has, and always did, a superb natural accuracy, and was one of the most effective young QBs, running and throwing, since Dan Marino. That he had young QB issues, same as most any other young QB, is nothing new. That people will point to such issues, or “issues” to QBs like Kaepernick, Cam Newton, RGIII, specifically when they underperform their own, *previous* metric, rather than underperforming against peers or against a baseline tells it all.

          • rls255

            “Vick has, and always did, a superb natural accuracy, and was one of the most effective young QBs, running and throwing, since Dan Marino.”
            I must have been watching a different Vick than you have. I agree that Vick is, for the most part, a fairly accurate passer. But to say he has a superb natural accuracy is a bit of an overstatement. Part of being an accurate passer is anticipation, something that I feel Vick struggles with at times. He’s able to make up for his lack of anticipation with his canon of an arm, at least most of the time. This was more evident during this Eagles season than any other while Vick has been here in my opinion.

      • Maggie

        In general I agree. There have been occasional exceptions, but we hear all the time about how much faster the NFL game is than college, so that, in general most players, regardless of position, take a year or two to really understand what’s going on. In fact we read on these boards all the time about “grooming ” players at all positions. I do have to disagree a little bit on a couple of current guys though. Russell Wilson and Andrew Luck will be 2 of those exceptions in only their 3rd year, I believe.

      • Sean

        Are you really under the impression that quarterbacks with less than ideal physical gifts are the only ones who have poor games in the playoffs? You seem to be, but the facts, as is the case with most of your assertions, don’t back it up. We could do a more ambitious study, but we’ll just look at this last postseason. Alex Smith this year: great playoff game with 44 points scored for his team. Cam Newton: bad playoff game with 10 points scored. Now, I’m not saying Smith is better than Newton, just that mega-talented players are also prone to bad playoff games, in the same way slightly less talented ones can post good playoff games.

    • GEAGLE

      Can’t wait to watch Cox crush that lil,bitch ass stink bug manziel

  • Sean

    There is so much talent at WR in this draft that the Eagles would be doing themselves a major disservice to not pick at least one. At some point, a WR is going to be BPA.

  • Maggie

    Mr. Lawlor, nice to see you confirming my recent reassurances about doing “due diligence”.

    • GEAGLE

      H haha you needed reassurance for the obvious? God you annoy the fuck out of me on a daily basis…

      • sonofdman

        That seems like a rather intense reaction to an innocuous comment. Maybe tone it down a notch?

        • ICDogg

          I still think it’s funny to read GEAGLE’s posts in the voice of Joe Pesci.

          • rls255

            Howard Eskin’s voice also works.

      • mksp

        Jeez man, if this isn’t the pot calling the kettle black I don’t know what it is. Please respond to this post with a 1,500 word rant that is word for word the same rant that you posted on Birds 24/7. Preferably over-the-top praise for a mediocre player and your most recent plan for the offseason. Thank you in advance.

        • Michael Deen

          Dude is muff cabbage…

      • A_T_G

        That is completely inappropriate and unwelcome.

        • Maggie

          Thanks, A_T_G. When I used the term “due diligence” a couple of days earlier, I had been attempting to reassure someone else, anyway. While I don’t profess any insider knowledge about the workings of the Eagles front office, I do have some knowledge of how a business runs. And since I have followed the NFL off and on since crying over Brian’s Song, I know a little bit just from osmosis if nothing else.

          • A_T_G

            Your voice adds to the conversation regularly, but I don’t care if you professed your belief that our scouts should be scouring Ireland for leprechauns for our offense because they are hard to catch, for the fifth time in a week. Comments like the one from GEAGLE are why I don’t read the comments on other sites.

  • Iskar36

    Having speed at WR is nice, but especially in the scenario with Cooper not resigning, I would be terrified of having such a small WR corp with Ellington (5-9, 197) or Cooks (5-10, 184). I just don’t have much faith in Benn being a reliable WR (I personally don’t think he is a lock to make the team even if healthy) and that ultimately leaves Maclin as our “big” WR. While speed is nice, I think it can be schemed against, and we have a QB who doesn’t have the biggest arm in order to fully stretch the field as it is. I think size simply creates unique matchup challenges, especially when you have speed on the other side, so I would much rather focus on finding a guy who can create those size advantages than add speed to an offense that has plenty of that to begin with.

    • Sifter

      I share your size concerns. And the solution may as simple as this: if Cooper goes, draft a big WR, if he stays, draft a quicker WR. Either way whoever is drafted need to be comfortable in the slot.

    • Anders

      I think size is so overrated.
      If we go with 2 TEs we already have the size and if we go 3 WRs, is size really such a big problem? Depends on the WR you pick, but if you pick a guy like Beckham Jr at 5’11, he would still win 90% of jump balls over a CB.
      Also look at some of the best offenses in the last decade, they often only had 1 or 2 big guys and they was often the TEs only.
      I have no problem taking a Cooks, but I also wanna upgrade at TE (next year why might only have Ertz and Iggy).

      • eagleyankfan

        Two offensive came to mind. Saints and Denver. Those two would be the exception as they have size all over the place. But, two main cogs in their offense(Moore/Welker) are under 6′.
        I agree size is overrated. I think the saying “playing bigger than you are” applies. I like Cooper and I’m not a fan of Avant(I think he’s an ordinary Joe easily replaced) but I don’t think either play “bigger”. Cooper is close but not quite there.
        Along the lines of WR — a lot of people are assuming Maclin is 100% and will be 100%. No matter how many people we see return 100%, it’s never a given. I favor Mac over Desean – only if he’s healthy…

      • Ark87

        I agree for the most part, but it is nice to have in the red zone. The big QB throwing to a big WR (sometimes a TE as you pointed out) in the redzone was a revelation this past season, it would be missed (perhaps not so dramatically though, as you pointed out).

    • Mac

      I think it’s about matchups. Our big corners did not matchup well vs small speedy shift WR but somehow managed to lock down the dynamic duo of Marshall and Jeffrey on chicago. To that end… i agree we need at least one big WR. Especially since chip seems averse to the idea of flexing ertz outside.

  • Baloophi

    Though not immediately linked to the Combine… RIP Harold Ramis.

    • P_P_K

      The guy was a comic genius.

  • SteveH

    I think ideally we keep Maclin and Cooper, and draft someone who can play the slot to replace Avant. I’d rather we didn’t take more than 1 WR with all the other holes on the team. Of course none of that really matters since the Eagles will likely go BPA anyhow, so we could end up all over the place so far as positions go. Think players not positions right?

    • Anders

      “Think players not positions right?”
      Why I love us to pick Beckham and Landry (or Josh Huff if you want more speed in the slot) from LSU no matter our other needs. All 3 fit our offense and two of them would be great slot WRs and Beckham can move all over the place. And they are all 3 great ST players and can all 3 block in the run game

      • shah8

        I’m beginning to believe that Beckham will not make it to our pick in the first. There are more first round caliber WR this year than normal, though.

        • Anders

          Beckham is below 6, that will drop him for some teams that might want Benjamin or a Jordan Matthews over him.
          I also think a lot of teams will have Cooks over Beckham (I do as well). So potential 5 WRs in front of Beckham and I doubt 6 WRs get taken in the 1st.

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  • GEAGLE

    Jerry jones admits that he might have to release Demarcus ware

    • eagleyankfan

      just a hunch — Jerry is throwing his name out there to generate some talks. I doubt they let him go.

      • GEAGLE

        Dude have you looked at their cap problems, I’m not even sure they have much of a choice…

        • eagleyankfan

          I know..but soon we’ll be hearing how Romo etc. will restructure their contracts….you can’t let a guy like Ware just walk..One person in the nfl I don’t trust/like is JJ. So if he’s saying something, I’m not buying it…

          • A_T_G

            Yeah, at this point it is a negotiating tactic. It sends a message that no one is safe and it encourages sacrificing for the good of the group.

            It might actually happen, but I don’t think Jerrah saying it makes it any more or less likely to happen.

  • GEAGLE

    I want Moncreif, Jordan Mathews and OBJ. Wouldn’t mind Landry in the 5th. I like him more now that he had a horrible combine

    • Anders

      I do not see it with Moncreif.

      • mksp

        Yeah neither do I.

    • BreakinAnklez

      Did anyone catch Matthews 10 yd split?

  • Julio De La Cruz

    Are Eagles interested if Demarcus Ware gets cut?

    • Tumtum

      I don’t think so.

  • jtre

    Take the best defensive player available in the first (preferably OLB or Safety) Then draft Martavis Bryant, Kelvin Benjamin, or Jordan Matthews in the second.

    WR is so deep that there’s no reason to reach unless Mike Evans somehow falls which he won’t.

    I’m actually hoping a run on QBs, Tackles, and WRs go early so a stud defensive player can fall into our laps. Dream Scenario we get Bar, Clinton-Dix, or Pryor. Grab a solid receiver in the second then go BPA from there.

    • Sean Stott

      Pryor is not a first rounder at this point.

  • P_P_K

    I really don’t understand why the Eagles would spend time with Manziel. Same for any team spending time on a player in whome they have no real interest. Why waste everyones time?

    • Ark87

      Personnel obsession, they keep profiles on a ton of players, often after a trade or signing, you’ll hear Howie say, we really liked so and so back in the draft, didn’t work out for us then but we’re really excited to have him now. Point is, you never know if someone will work out with the team that drafts them. We like to have these things sorted out, just in case.

      • Mac

        There may be an element of know thy enemy mixed in as well.

      • P_P_K

        Thanks. makes sense.

      • Tumtum

        Not to mention due diligence. They need to have as accurate a grade as possible on every player entering the draft. Johnny is a top talent. The most questions you hear about him are in his attitude. Meet with the kid so you know where he really stands on your board. If he is there in the 3rd and you have a high 2 grade on him, take him (those numbers mean nothing just an example). Sort of A-la Matt Barkley.

    • Anders

      called due interlligence. You never know if a player drops or a trade possibility happens.

  • CrackSammich

    A complete hypothetical, that isn’t really in any way possible.

    Do you think if Chip could get his hands on a bunch of receiving tight ends in the Vernon Davis, Gronkowski, Jimmy Graham, etc. mold, do you think he would see them as interchangeable with the WR? I fully understand that I’m listing once in a generation talents here as example, but can you imagine the damage that could be done with a field consisting of Ertz, Casey, Celek, and then rookie TEs like Ebron and Lyerla?

    • A_T_G

      I think Chip’s focus on creating mismatches and the way we have seen him use Ertz and Celek support the idea that he isn’t really concerned what kind of receiver is getting open down the field. In that sense, I agree.

      On the other hand, I think Chip sees value in getting enough speed on the field to create the space and mismatches. In that sense, I don’t think he sees them as completely interchangeable.

      • OregonDucker

        TRUTH A_T_G!!

    • Neil

      I don’t think we’re going to use any 4 TE sets. I bet he would love to have an Ebron or Lyerla to go out there with Ertz and with, much less of the time, a Celek or a Casey as well.

      Also I’m not sure those guys are once in a generation. Very, very few of them before now but you just listed three who happened to emerge at the same time. I think the freak receiving tight ends are going to become more normal as time goes on.

      • Tumtum

        “any” is a strong word since he used some 4 TE sets last year with only 3 noteworthy TE.

        To answer the original question I think if he had one of those 3 guys listed he would invariably have a package with the at WR and at least 2 other TE on the field. Imagine the nightmare matching up against that, I can see all the big plays now.

        • Anders

          Yea we used 4 TE set with Cooper has 4th TE.

  • nathalie a

    blimey. it works !!!!!!!!

  • jtre

    Calvin Pryor is not having a good day.

    1st we find out that he not 6’2”as listed but actually 5’11”

    Then he comes out and runs a 4.62 unofficial

    • James

      Thats good! Hopefully he drops to us!

    • Insomniac

      He was overrated in the first place.

      • Anders

        I will say his combine (both athleticly and size) have dropped him for me. I liked him on his potential and size, but him dropping 2-3 inches in height is huge. I also thought he looked faster than 4.63 on the field tho.

    • Patrick

      LaMarcus Joyner isn’t really lighting it up speed wise either, although it will be interesting to see his 3 cone drill and his shuttles, because him being short and light and then only putting up a 4.55 isn’t very impressive.
      A lot of the corners are seeming to have a good day though. Gilbert, Roby and Verrett doing fine, Fuller a little slow on his 40. As with Joyner, i look forward to seeing Fullers and Gilberts 3 cone and shuttles.
      Deone Bucannon is really the only big name safety not doing bad and he isn’t exactly lighting it up so far. For a lot of the safeties i think a lot of the teams will go back to watching film, because they didn’t help themselves like we have seen before.

      The pass rusher were a weird group too. Obviously a shame that Dee Ford and Attaochu can’t compete, but we saw some weid stuff. Kony Ealy wasn’t fast or explosive in the jumps but then post the same 3 cone drill as Barr. Obviously both Ealy and Clowney didn’t impress in the bench press, even considering the armlenght. Clowney and Mack looked super explosive in the jumps where Barr was a little disappointing and then Barr posted a better 3 cone drill than both of them. I still think Ealy would be a bit of a weird fit as a OLB. Mack proved he has a better burst and more power of the line than Barr, but Barr seems quicker, which might show that Mack is a better physically as a pass rusher while Barr is in a better position as a coverage guy. Pretty much lines up with what i saw from my limited viewing of the tape. I would still take Barr over mack though, just going by his raw talent.

      Oh and the Wide outs is just incredible this year. Kelvin Bejamin obviously isn’t a guy who will wow you at the combine, but I think he did good, if not borderline great. The same goes for Allen Robinson and Mike Evans who was also acceptable, although Evans was faster than I expected. Brandin Cooks looked fast, quick and elusive, but I like Beckham more. He posted great numbers, but just looked so fluid doing it, its like watching DeSean in sprint, he just have that natural runners look to him like an olympic sprinter and I saw similar things in Beckham. With the bad numbers posted by some of these safeties, i wouldn’t hate picking up one of these WR if the pass rushers are gone, as much as I did a week ago.
      And Sammy Watkins is the real deal.

      • jamesbondage

        Joyner’s 3 cone time was horrendous (7.26 I believe). The combine definitely dropped his stock. Plus, given his lack of size, I’m not sure if he goes even in round 2 at this point. However, tape doesn’t lie so if he sticks around ’til the 3rd round, I don’t know if you pass him up.

        • Patrick

          Yeah, at the time I was writing it he hadn’t done it yet, but you’re absolutely right, he didn’t do himself any favors. Right now Deone Bucannon is the only guy I’m comfortable with. Have to go back and look at Pryors tape because something doesn’t ad up. He got a little overhyped by Eagles fans, but he still looked more athletic than his numbers. His pro day might end up being really important. Even Clinton-Dix scares me a little.
          Fuller did help himself a little after a slow 40, showing some decent quickness. Not Verrett quickness, but decently for his estimated draft position, although I still like Roby better.

  • SteveH

    Just read the Cowboys might cut Demarcus Ware. I’d love to kick the tires and see if his production amps back up switching back into the 3-4.

  • Sean Stott

    I don’t like Racist Cooper but he does have RAC ability. I’d also hate to see us get rid of Brandon Graham. He needs more opportunities to play.

    • Tumtum

      I think before his knee injury he would of fit the scheme very well. After, not so much. It will be better for his career if he does to a 4-3 team. I would like to see him succeed, and it just won’t happen here.

      • Sean Stott

        I agree, I too want to see him succeed. If he leaves it will be bittersweet. Always liked that dude.

    • Crus57

      So what you’re saying is that Cooper buts the RAC in RACist?

  • Joe Minx

    How is it possible that Daniel McCullers had the worst vertical jump?

  • Tumtum

    Way to use the crystal ball on BG and beat the rumor Tommy. Things like this are why I rarely disagree with you.

    On a side note you mentioned Cooper could be more dangerous with a full year as a starter. I know it was a brain fart, but worth pointing out his stat sheet from the first 1/4 + of the season just appears that he was a back up. So do too many of the games he had after his break out, which is why I say money is better spend elsewhere. Unless the market really doesn’t work out for him like everyone seems to think it will. If we can get a team friendly deal I would be all about it.

  • fartman69

    Is there a pass rushing OLB in the league that the Eagles could get in exchange for Graham? Like, what about an OLB that is in a similar situation as Graham- 1) talented but does not fit his team’s scheme, and 2) one year left on the contract, which gives him extra incentive to play well (for a new contract)? Or what about a player in a different position of need (WR, S, NT, ILB)?

    • Baloophi

      Love the handle, fartman69!

    • GEAGLE

      Jabaal Sheard from the browns, but they don’t really play a 4-3( actually I don’t even know what defense they will run with Horton gone)

  • Baloophi

    I finally cracked the draft!

    22: LAMARCUS JOYNER – S – FLORIDA STATE
    54: MARCUS ROBERSON – CB – FLORIDA
    86: MARCUS SMITH – DE – LOUISVILLE
    118: DEMARCUS LAWRENCE – DE – BOISE STATE
    150: MARCUS WHITFIELD – OLB – MARYLAND
    157: MARCUS COKER – RB – STONY BROOK
    214: MARQUESTON HUFF – S – WYOMING

    • ACViking

      Cracked indeed.

      • CrackSammich

        Alright, guys, you can stop talking about me…

    • jamesbondage

      Joyner ran himself out of the 1st round with his poor 40 and 3 cone times today… possibly even round 2

      • BreakinAnklez

        I think you missed the point.

        • jamesbondage

          Oops. Man, I had been so zoned-in on Joyner and/or Pryor getting drafted by the Eagles that I completely missed the joke. Thanks for the clarification

    • A_T_G

      I am excited by that Marcus guy.

    • SuPaFrO

      I would expected Marcus to go higher..

  • Weapon Y

    One idea that just occurred to me: If DeMarcus Ware is released by the Cowboys, should we sign him? I know he’s older and banged up, but I’d definitely be interested if we could get him for $4 million to $6 million per year.

  • Insomniac

    Hey Tommy, could Aaron Donald play in our system?

    • holeplug

      1 gap system far better for him

    • GEAGLE

      Expecting Dallas to take him

  • Corry

    I would LOVE for the Eagles to land Robinson. Watching him the past few years, he was such a clutch receiver for PSU. He can really high point the ball, but I will say he can drop some of the easier passses. Got my fingers crossed we can land him.

  • Vick or Nick

    Getting DAT and Colt Lyeria during the draft would be pretty cool.

    Like I’ve said, our offense is good and in the NFL you need be great at what you do. More weapons will push this offense to historic categories.

    Teams started focusing on DeSean and Shady as the year went on. Cooper had a few big games but couldn’t be consistent threat.

    I have a feeling if Cooper resigns, everyone will look back and think we should not have paid him so and so much money.

    We need another explosive threat on offense. Cooper is just another guy.

    As seen at the combine, there are many explosive athletes in this draft. Time to find guys who are also great football players in addition to being athletically gifted.

  • thedtrain12

    Graham + a 2nd for Dion Jordan!!

    • SteveH

      I’d do Graham plus our first for Jordan.

  • rls255

    Would love to see Robinson in Eagles green. I’m admittedly biased being a PSU alum, but I can’t think of one area where he isn’t a clear upgrade over Cooper. His 4.60 40 time doesn’t worry me since he’ll benefit from lining up opposite Jackson just as Cooper did. He won jump ball after jump ball at PSU – even when Hackenberg threw into triple coverage.

  • Anders

    My top 2 defensive prospects right now are Dennard and Shazier. I really doubt Dennard gets near 22 and Im beginning to think Shazier will also go before 22.

    • Patrick

      Do you have Shazier as a OLB or ILB in our 34 D. I don’t love(as I do with Mack and Barr) him as a pass rusher, and we already have Barwin on the opposite site who is more of a coverage guy than a pass rusher. I do love Shaziers athleticism and explosiveness, but with his technique and lack of strength, I don’t see a great pass rusher. He is however intriguing as DeMecos successor and Kendricks’ partner.

      • D3FB

        Shazier projects as an ILB in a 34 scheme.

      • Anders

        He is 100% an ILB for us.
        No way I would consider him an OLB outside of a 4-3 scheme

  • Anders
  • GEAGLE

    Deone Buchanon is the best we can do at safety

    • Anders

      He is just a pure SS and we need a FS more. Tho of course if we sign Mitchell and draft Buchannon, TEs and WR might not wanna dare catch anything over the middle again.

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