The Case for Cody Latimer

Posted: May 4th, 2014 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 114 Comments »

Let’s imagine Chip Kelly could create his ideal receiver. The player would have size. He would be strong. He would be athletic. The player would be tough, which showed up in his blocking and STs play. He would have impressive receiving skills, the two most important being good hands and body control. The player would be equally effective on short routes and downfield passes.

Cody Latimer is 6-3, 215. His arms are 32 5/8 and his hands 9 5/8. That is the kind of size Kelly would love in a WR.

Latimer ran 4.44 at his Pro Day, which is good speed. He did 23 reps on the bench, showing unusual strength for a WR. Latimer had a 39-inch vertical jump, which shows good lower body explosion.

Latimer is a good blocker, both in the run game and on WR screens. He is a good STs player. Latimer made 8 tackles on the year, a mixture of them on STs and after turnovers. He recovered one fumble on a KOR. Latimer isn’t afraid to do the dirty work as a blocker or STer.

Latimer has very good hands. He catches the ball cleanly, away from his body. He has excellent body control. He’s able to adjust to the ball in the air. He’s able to make athletic sideline catches and get a foot down.

The biggest knock on Latimer is that he’s from Indiana and is a late riser. You go to Indiana to find point guards and power forwards, not wide receivers. If Latimer played at Ohio State, he would likely be a slam-dunk Top 20 prospect.

One of the reasons that Latimer is a late riser is that he wasn’t able to work out at the Combine. He had to deal with a foot injury, which had bothered him all season. He still managed to go 72-1096-9. Latimer was 2nd team All Big Ten each of the past 2 seasons. This isn’t a case of him being a workout wonder.

Latimer’s sensational Pro Day showing in March got the attention of all 32 teams and that drew a lot of people to his next workout, where he caught passes and did positional drills. Chip Kelly went to that workout to see Latimer in person. Latimer was well known in the scouting community before either workout. The Eagles were interested enough that they sent WRs coach Bob Bicknell to see him run back in March. Obviously Bicknell liked what he saw and the numbers blew everyone away.

And Latimer should fit the Eagles offense very well. He played in a spread attack at Indiana. They run a very high tempo offense. During Latimer’s 3-year career, IU was 10th in the nation in offensive plays per game (83.3). He wouldn’t have to adjust to the Eagles tempo. That would be something he’s already accustomed to.

Is Latimer worth pick 22? That’s the hard question. I don’t have him rated that highly, but it wouldn’t shock me if the Eagles did. They’ve shown a lot of interest in him. I wouldn’t be overly upset with Latimer at 22. He has the potential to be a very good NFL player. I don’t see him as a project or anything like that.

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We’ll find out just how much the Eagles like Latimer in a few days. Is he a primary target or not? Do they take him at 22 or do they trade back and try to get him a few picks later?

I don’t know for a fact that the Eagles do like Latimer. It just sure seems that way.

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  • Sconces

    Man I like this guy, but man I don’t know if he’s worth a first round pick.

    • ryan pertl

      Why? What about his game worries you?

      • Sconces

        I’m not a scout.

        • ryan pertl

          You don’t have to be one to have an opinion. I’m just asking what makes you hesitant about him. Because he’s a late riser?

          • Sconces

            That and this seems all too much like speculation just because we showed high interest. I tried to watch his tape and he looks good, but then again so does just about every WR. I just don’t know if he’s worth it, but if Eagles take him at 22 I trust their opinion.

          • Malcolm Jones

            but where is his 3rd or 4th round grade coming from…analyst or your own opinion that he does not remind you of 1at round talent?
            because Colin Kaepernick was taken really early according to the talking heads and now those same talking heads say he is a franchise QB that popped out of no where…

          • Sconces

            Does anyone know what the term “I don’t know” means?

          • Sconces

            BTW Kaepernick sucked last season

          • oreofestar

            He is extremely overrated average QB that gets talked about like he is elite

          • Malcolm Jones

            he is a raw QB and can either become better or become gimmicky… my point is everyones board is based on how they see a prospect…some may see Manziel as best QB, others may trust Bortles, its all about your system, your ability to coach up and your preference and your projection of talent,

  • korman

    Late risers always worry me, even when there are examples of it in the past working out like Dontari Poe. Even if I am fine with Latimer (I think you I rank him similarly), I couldn’t help but think of he’s the pick at #22 then it would’ve just been more conducive to take one of the CB’s and wait for a WR in the 2nd.

    If the hypothetical scenario plays out, say:

    1st Round: Latimer, WR. 2nd Round: Buccanon, S.
    Or
    1st Round: Fuller, CB. 2nd Round: Moncrief/Robinson, WR.

    I’m more inclined to take the second option.

    • ryan pertl

      We have three starter quality outside corners (Fletcher, Cary, and Nolan) and an elite nickel corner (Boykin).

      We have Riley Cooper and a guy coming off of his second ACL injury and on a one year contract.

      Which strikes you as a bigger need? People need to accept that this team is going to be built around the offense. We will never have a statistically elite defense under Chip.

      • Malcolm Jones

        what they can expect is a jump in defense, if not from adding players but from them being comfortable in the system and not having to think on the field.

      • korman

        This isn’t about clamoring for defense. I understand what Chip prioritizes. This is about talent and value, and I don’t think Latimer specifically has first-round value.

        If ODB/Lee/Cooks are taken at #22, Id be very happy.

    • oreofestar

      I’d take that 2nd option

  • SteveH

    I’ve been thinking Lattimer is going to be the guy for the past few weeks. Just watching him play, his skillset looks just like what Chip Kelly wants: can beat man coverage, can power through people after the catch, shows good short area quickness. I think Chip wants people who can catch short passes and turn them into medium gains, and Lattimer looks like that guy.

  • andy

    I may be in the minority, but I think the Latimer love is a smokescreen to disguise that the eagles really want Lee or Cooks. This whole, Chip needs a big receiver, concept has totally gone out of control. Everything we know from Oregon and last year suggests he just wants guys that can get open against man coverage. Between Cooper (who they paid a lot of money) and Ertz, we have red zone targets. Anyway, I would be very surprised to see them take Latimer at 22.

  • Weapon Y

    Latimer might be the guy, but I wouldn’t be so fast to assume he’s the ideal Chip Kelly WR. Remember what everyone said about EJ Manuel being the ideal Chip Kelly QB.

    • TommyLawlor

      Okay. But there is a lot of evidence that Latimer would be the ideal guy. Chip got here and the team added several big WRs. Riley Cooper than had his best season and got a healthy extension. This isn’t a total guessing game.

      And no one with an informed opinion of Kelly bought into the Manuel hype last year. That was a projection from people who made a lot of assumptions about Kelly.

      • Weapon Y

        My only point is that there’s a lot of speculation that Chip Kelly won’t draft a “small” receiver. I’d hate for Chip to be so closed-minded to pass on superior talent just because of size. I prefer Pete Carroll’s approach: forget fit. Just get the best players, and tailor the scheme to our personnel.

        • Anders

          Carroll has a very specific fit in mind for his WRs and CBs. CBs need to be able to press and be long, WRs need to be run blockers.

          Its different in the front seven where you can mix and match more depending on the down and distance

  • Malcolm Jones

    Latimer has been my pick this whole time….and I think it has been chip’s pick for a while too….just look at these hints…

    “If you asked me to describe what you want in a wide receiver: separate from one-on-one coverage; be where you are when you’re supposed to be there, with separation; and catch the football,” Kelly said. “And it can come in a lot of ways. It can be the speed element of it. It can be the power and size element of it. There’s a lot of different ways to cut it. There’s certain guys in this league that have both, and that’s why they’re elite”

    “What we’re looking for from our receivers right now is different from what we would look for in a West Coast offense under [Andy] Reid,” Roseman said. “If a guy can step in and play right away, that would be ideal. But we’re not looking at who’s going to be the best player today. We’re looking at who can be the best player two or three years from now.”

  • Sifter

    I like the sound of Latimer as well, but would be uncomfortable taking him at 22. Of course it all depends on who else is interested, doesn’t it? That famous reach Mike Mitchell in the 2nd a few years back by the Raiders…Bears were supposedly very interested too and they didn’t want to miss him.

    What does Latimer offer that Moncrief or even Martavis Bryant can’t? I’m genuinely asking BTW, not making a point!

    • Malcolm Jones

      Considered best blocking WR in draft(in college, Chip would not put you on the field if you could not block), better hands, faster….played in one of the fastest offenses

    • mksp

      Biggest difference is their hands. Moncrief is one of the worst body catchers in the draft, Bryant isn’t great either. Latimer, as Tommy said, really picks the ball cleanly. Latimer is also significantly more solidly built than Bryant, and his ability to block shows on tape.

    • Insomniac

      Latimer is just more polished and ready to start.

  • Joe Minx

    I would be disappointed if he were the pick. Not with him, just at 22.

    If Cooks or Lee or Beckham are still around I don’t know how you pass them up for Latimer. If they’re all gone then that’s a different story.

    • ryan pertl

      I feel like the only reason you say that is because you’re more familiar with Cooks and Lee as prospects. I understand that people are hesitant when a guy comes out of nowhere, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t a great prospect. Beckham is the only guy I would take over Latimer at 22.

      Since his pro day I’ve been watching Latimer’s games and he blows me away every time. He’s a very motivated blocker and has awesome hands. I love that he doesn’t dance after he catches it either. He gets the ball and immediately turns it up field.

      • RC5000

        He doesn’t blow me away. If he did he’d be in the top 10. He is a good player. Doesn’t elude after the catch or run by defensive backs. Has decent but not great separation. Often goes down a few yards after the catch.

        • ryan pertl

          I respectfully disagree. I agree that he isn’t very elusive, but that’s just not his style. He’s very physical and doesn’t run around sideline to sideline. He gets the ball and turns up field.

          I just outright disagree with your analysis on his speed and separation.

          • RC5000

            He isn’t a burner and doesn’t have more than one gear. He would be in the top 10 if that was the case. That is why he is probably going to be available and we’re talking about him. He doesn’t have elite speed or separation. He is good though. Like I said if he “blew you away”, I don’t even know why you’re talking about him. I would think you would think he was long gone by 22.

          • Malcolm Jones

            San Fran ran him through a route tree and what they need is a guy to stretch the defense….Eagles and 9ers might see something scouts for other teams may not have seen. San Fran may take him at the end of round one

          • ryan pertl

            I’m going to go ahead and end this discussion here if your argument is actually based on where he is projected in mock drafts. He isn’t a finished product, but your comments about his speed just don’t add up.

            > Runs 4.4 40 on a bum foot
            > Averages 15+ ypc past two seasons
            > ???
            > Speed and separation issues

            lolwhat?

            It’s like you think that there is one supreme big board that everyone follows during the draft. Think for yourself. Can’t stand when people just read a Kiper comment and pretend it’s their own opinion based on anything substantial.

            Your entire argument on “why are you talking about him if he blew you away” thing is silly at best. I liked what I saw. I like what I’ve seen from Attaochu as well. What is your point? It’s like you’re arguing that I think every good player will be a top ten pick. That’s not even possible and is a very weak point to attempt to make. According to you only top ten picks can be really impressive.

            It’s almost like you don’t realize that every year scouts and GM’s discover people late in the process. Three main factors contributed to him being overlooked:

            > Played at Indiana
            > Didn’t participate at the Combine
            > Stacked draft class at WR

            I have no issues with you having a different opinion. Just don’t attempt to take a shot at my logic when you’re the one using flawed logic.

          • RC5000

            I don’t go by 40 times exclusively especially 40 times on a different track than Indy and also that may have been hand-timed. Everything at Indy is level. I don’t know what percent Latimer was with his foot.
            I have to go by his tape. Running without pads on doesn’t prove you have elite separation.
            I go by what is on tape. He gets tackled and covered without getting separation. Brandin Cooks ran extremely fast at the combine and I don’t think it matches his speed on tape.
            Neither of them are burners. I don’t think Beckham, Cooks, Lee, Robinson or Latimer are elite in terms of speed and separation and none of them particularly have an extra gear.
            As for your statement that you liked what I saw , that is what I would say rather than “I was blown away”. I agree with you. I like what I see with Latimer. He is a good player.
            As for me thinking for myself, I saw Latimer long before his Pro Day and didn’t run to watch his games like you did. I didn’t need to. I am here to read Tommy’s opinion and his support for his opinion. I read some others who agree with what I see that he doesn’t have great separation and an extra gear. There is nothing wrong with checking others opinions that you respect and who provide support for it.

  • nopain23

    I like Gilbert over Fuller..but I admit I’ve seen highlights of fuller never watched 1 sec of him this college football season. Can anyone enlighten me as to why Fuller seems to be getting more attention than Gilbert. at 22 Barr and Dix will be long gone as well as the top WRs.Im hoping one top DB falls to us. Den nard or Gilbert..my preference being Gilbert. if Barr falls to us by some miracle then that’s the draft for me.its a wrap!!!

    • oreofestar

      Gilbert won’t be there at 22 likely but it seems everyone has different corner rankings so it is not impossible it is just Fuller met with Chip, Billy was all over him he fits our scheme and is good value and 22 so he keeps coming up

    • D3FB

      Fuller is the best fit for us. He’s tough as nails. Gilbert is the athlete. People who know DB’s better than me say they have some issues with his pedal and lateral movement. I hate his unwillingness to get off blocks, and to make tackles. Fuller is the most well rounded in coverage, he is experienced, with jamming, pressing, off man and zone looks. He gets off blocks and sticks his nose in against the running game. He can play nickel corner, he can play safety. Worst case scenario with Fuller you get Bradley Fletcher 2.0 or move him to safety and you get Malcolm Jenkins 2.0. Best case he’s a top ten corner with annual reservations to the pro bowl. With Gilbert some people think he has an outside chance of being Patrick Peterson like. I think that’s a bit silly Peterson is 6’1 220. That’s insane. I think a more likely best case for Gilbert would be DRC. Worst case he’s your return man and backup corner who is frustrating because of his athleticism. I’ll take Fuller.

      Here’s two tapes on Fuller, it will take you 15 mins, but you’ll come away with a whole new appreciation for his game.

      http://draftbreakdown.com/video/kyle-fuller-vs-alabama-2013/

      http://draftbreakdown.com/video/kyle-fuller-vs-georgia-tech-2013/

      • Malcolm Jones

        This draft is full of bigger corners, why take in the first round when you can get Baptiste later or Colvin….top half of the draft is WR, OT,(strength)..we have six picks… take the best Quality player on the board…to me, there are alot more quality guys later at CB and I dont want to see fuller or Gilbert sitting on the bench trying to learn if we draft them that high.

        • mksp

          This is such a flawed way of approaching the draft. Fuller is miles ahead of Baptise and Colvin is coming off an ACL injury, and even when healthy wasn’t on Fuller’s level.

          And you can play this game all the way down the line. Why take Latimer at #22 when you can get Jordan Matthews at #54? They’re not the same player, one will have a significantly bigger impact than the other.

          Fuller isn’t just a *big* corner.

          • Malcolm Jones

            I spoke a little fast… my real problem is we have three corners who will all know the defense and have playing experience in the league, the rookie, esp first rounder would be expected to start from day one. Cary and Fletch are on the payroll and Nolan is as well…why draft a CB that high to sit… I would trade back or take another position

          • D3Center

            The rookie wouldn’t be expected to start day one. The ideal philosophy of the draft, as D3FB said, and as executed the best by the 49ers is to not need rookies to start from day one. They need to earn their job and not come in with the pressure to have to start from day one.

          • GEAGLE

            Even if u think there isn’t much of a difference between Latimer and Jordan…if you pass on Latimer at 22, it’s still a crap shoot whether you even find Jordan on the board at 54…so with that line of thinking, you can screw yourself out of both players

          • oreofestar

            I would rather have an impact Defensive player frst round and then between jORDAN, DavantE, Donte, Allen, Cody, these guys can not all be gone at 54

        • D3FB

          Colvin is 5’11 180lbs. Not sure I would call that big. Baptise is only going to be able to play press. We are going to want corners who have good size but can do it all. The only guys I have interest in CB after the first wave would be Gaines, Desir, Aikens, and Carrie. None of those guys played at big time schools.

          Excluding injury nobody we draft this year is going to play 1000 snaps. Nobody is going to play 700 snaps. Even if we take a WR really high they are only going to play maybe half the snaps. Mosley, Haha, Martin, Sua-Filo, and Barr might be the only players who would see a ton of time. Even Barr would be rotational in year one. That’s not a bad thing. It means our roster is to the point where we don’t have to force rookies into playing extended minutes. That’s a sign of a good team.

          WR is loaded. That’s why you can take a guy in round two or three and still get a high quality player. Corner falls off dramatically. OT may be deep but not alot of those guys fit our blocking scheme. Kouandijo, Moses, the Tennesse kids may be great players but they don’t fit our schemes.

          So corner isn’t a huge need this year. But the long term future of the position isn’t great. Cary’s contract get’s a bit silly next year. Fletcher is always hurt, and becomes a free agent after next year. Carrol hasn’t played a snap for us yet and has a massive 26 starts. Using Carrol to say we don’t need a CB is like saying well we have James Casey so we didn’t need to draft Zack Ertz. Fuller brings long term stability to an important position. He can be used creatively, and eased into playing time in year one.

          You don’t draft to fill immediate needs in the draft, you draft to bring the best players in for the long term future.
          http://mmqb.si.com/2014/04/10/seattle-seahawks-draft-strategy-needs/

          • Malcolm Jones

            understood and point taken… My thoughts went to how many people we have at the position and how much money is being spent at Corner. The Howie said this:

            “Well, I think it is complicated,
            because you have guys that you want to have back and also, what
            resources are you going to devote to that position with the guys who are
            already on the roster? And then you look at it in the draft, obviously a
            very strong position, so I think … it’s a complicated situation but
            we’ve never ruled out bringing both of those guys back,

            Now while he was talking about WR in this quote it was weird to see him talking about how many resources you devote to that position….that got me thinking why am I going to give a CB a first round check, and pay nolan,Roc, Marsh, Fletch, Boykin and Williams…if anything Id pick up a cheaper prospect with upside and coach him up rather than toss that money this year. WHile the position will need a upgrade soon, I think the team may be a little better now that our Cbs are not learning on the go anymore and with Nolan pushing them I feel we will either get the best out of them or they wont start.

          • D3FB

            The same argument can be made at WR. We have pretty similar money committed to both spots. We’re already paying Riley, Maclin, and Sproles. Ertz is going to see some snaps there. Benn and Smith are experienced guys who can produce. A rookie WR will probably get 300-400 snaps. Fuller can play all four special teams, and will probably be ahead of Carrol on the depth chart. That means he gets to play a few games this year. He would be cheaper than Carrol, Fletcher, and Cary and has higher upside. Both spots you are looking at a player who would see limited snaps in year one, but would bring an infusion of young talent to a position that isn’t completely settled. To me it then comes down to the fact that you can take a WR in the second, third, or fourth round who can be a strong conributor and starter in the future, and nothing at CB is nearly as likely in the same rounds because of the depth of the WR class.

          • Malcolm Jones

            but its no guarantee mac stays healthy, nor a guarantee that he stays instead of going for the money next season. If that is the case cooper would be your #1, I kinda want a quality player. Also Benn is coming back from a injury and is not signed long term. With not a lot of depth behind that and never knowing when sproles age will catch up… I see WR as chaotic whereas, why I dont feel we have Revis and Sherman at CB, we can survive if Nolan pans out and if we pic up another piece in the draft as depth. But I guess you can say the same if Fletch gets hurt so we both just have a difference in opinion. I wont be mad if we get a cb…I just want a trophy.

          • D3FB

            Fair enough. I guess we just disagree on the prospects of the current eagles players at CB and WR.

          • GEAGLE

            Take Dontae Johnson and Antone Exum in rounds 4 and 5 and figure out whether to play them at Safety or CB later

      • nopain23

        Thanks. Good info. If Davis wants this guy like someone intimated then I’m all for it. Get the man the players he wants to form HIS defense. My only question is Fuller worth a 1st Rd pick or can he be had in the second?

        • D3FB

          He won’t be there in the second. If he somehow lasts til the second, which I don’t believe will happen he’s gone in the first first 5 picks.

        • ztom6

          Fuller is not a sure bet to even make it to 22.

      • GEAGLE

        Absolutely love his game and I’d be content seeing us draft him at 22, however it would really surprise me. If we aren’t taking a WR at 22, I wouldn’t be surprised if we have Tuitt,Marcus Smith, Attaucho and Barr(obviously) on our wish list ahead of a CB at 22…I struggle seeing us take a CB in round 1, when we have some serious needs in our front 7 and CB is one if the deepest positions in this draft…I like Fuller, so I wouldn’t at all mind being Wrong. But I’d be pretty surprised to see us go with CB..

        Have a feeling we look at what we have at CB and Safety and view it as a quality stop gap opportunity that allows us to really fortify our front 7…Afterall, we can add all the CBs we want, but it doesn’t matter much until you have a top notch front 7 in place…thinking next years draft is when we will really focus on getting top notch young talent in the secondary,,,

        Next years draft could be extremely interesting in that, good chance the eagles pick will be in the 20-29 range….also a good chance that we prioritize adding CB and talent at Guard next year, and Oregons IFo OLOMU CB and Hroniss Grasu C/G could very well be first round players in that 20-29 range…

        • oreofestar

          okay Fuller it is…

  • GermanEagle

    Tommy

    I am really looking forward to your dream draft scenario for the Eagles.

    • TommyLawlor

      If you watch Draft Academy on ESPN, you’ll want to take Marqise Lee and Pierre Desir. Very likable guys.

      • GermanEagle

        No, didn’t watch that. However maybe Lee and Desir can get special guest roles in ‘Modern Family’. Then we’d be talking.

    • A_T_G

      My dream scenario is that moments after pick 21 is entered, Goddell announces that they just noticed that the Texans forgot to check the box at the bottom of their draft card labeled “Yes, for real. No take backs.” and therefore invalidating their selection of Clowney.

    • Insomniac

      It would be something like…

      Eagles trade Graham plus a 7th for the Jaguars #3 pick and take Khalil Mack.
      Eagles trade James Casey plus a future 6th for the Falcons #6 pick and take Sammy Watkins.
      Eagles take BPA at 22.
      the rest of the draft? pfft who cares.

  • ryan pertl

    People hoping for a defensive heavy draft are setting themselves up for a major letdown. Here is a quote from Roseman after last year’s draft:

    “When we went back and studied the teams who’ve won, they have a strength,” Roseman said. “They’re not just in the middle on both sides of the ball. And when we looked at our offense and looked at where we had players rated in the draft, we saw that there was an opportunity to really strengthen positions there that we thought could really help us be successful on offense.”

    Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-eagles/Howie-Roseman-on-Eagles-offensedefense-imbalance-Successful-teams-have-one-strength.html#oLxhuWuzzHE6OpOG.99

    • TommyLawlor

      Thanks for the quote. I’ve been looking for that.

  • Scott J

    I’d take Latimer over Benjamin any day.

    • oreofestar

      I’d take Brandon Coleman over Benjamin and I wouldn’t take Coleman until the 4th at earliest

      • Scott J

        Yup. Benjamin has bust written all over him.

        • oreofestar

          yep he will be a complete bust…

    • nopain23

      Thank you sir!!!!!!!!!.

  • oreofestar

    I have loved Latimer for months before he came popular thought he would be an amazing 4th round steal but at 22 I have to say NO NO NO earliest I’d take him is low 30s in a trade back scenario

    • ryan pertl

      The farthest we could trade back without risking missing out on him is 26th (CLE). The 49ers, Saints and Panthers would be all over him if he falls that far.

      • phillychuck

        Cleveland is reportedly interested in trading up for a couple of guys, but I don’t know if we will be far enough up.

        IMHO you trade back at least once, and don’t fall in love with one particular player that you wind up over-drafting. If Lee and Latimer are both on the board at 22, trade back with CLE and take whoever survives. Heck, do it again if they’re both there at 26.

  • Scott J

    This is the kind of crap that can drive you crazy – Can you imagine if Fuller and Lee are available at 22, and we take Lee. Then Latimer is sitting there at 54.

    • ryan pertl

      I don’t see any chance that Latimer is there at 54. I’d be shocked if he made it into the second round.

      • oreofestar

        Here is my thing Matthews, Watkins, Evans, Cooks, Latimer, Adams, Moncrief, Lee, ODB, Benja…nvm, Robinson I mean they can’t all be gone at 54 which is why I would take Fuller in a heartbeat over Lee

        • ryan pertl

          Feel like you’re ignoring that CB is just as stacked as WR. Fuller is a late riser himself. We already have three solid outside corners and an elite nickel back. Why would we place more emphasis on that position than WR where we have a one year wonder and a guy on a one year contract after his second ACL.

          We’re an offensive team. We’ll most likely go offense first.

          • Anders

            After Gilbert (if he is your thing), Dennard, Verrett and Fuller, there is a huge drop off imo. Roby maybe, but he is like the Moncrief of CBs and I do not want that

          • ryan pertl

            There are 20 CB’s in ESPN’s top 150 players and 22 WR’s. CBS has 22 CB’s in their top 150 and 22 WR’s. Just because you haven’t heard of guys doesn’t make them worse prospects. All of those top CB talents have major question marks.

          • Anders

            I know plenty about the CBs after the ones I mentioned. Im not just a super big fan of them outside of Phillip Gaines.

            Verrett might be “undersized” but the guy can play (he is also only 1 inch shorter than Asante Samuel or Sheldon Brown is). Dennard just plays like the Seattle CBs and how Cary Williams also likes to play.

            Fuller is a “late” riser for the media, but 100% GMs knew about for a long time.

          • ryan pertl

            Fair enough.

            Verrett is very talented, but he’s injure-prone and undersized. Would I take him? Possibly. Would Chip? Highly doubt it. He, as you know, places an emphasis on size and Jason doesn’t meet that criteria.

            The same could be said about Latimer.

          • D3FB

            The difference is though that there may be an equal number of guys, but you can make a rational argument about any of those 22 WR’s in our offense. The CB’s? Not so much.
            Of the 22 CB’s in the top 150:
            I think it would be fair to say Chip doesn’t want CB’s who are under 5’11. That elimates: Davis, Gaines, Lawson, Jamea, Reynolds, Joyner, Verrett, James 14.
            The Florida corners don’t show a whole lot on film and are really overrated. When the best of the bunch is the guy who couldn’t beat out the other two and couldn’t get consistent playing time at safety, something is wrong. 12.
            McGill and SJB are both old, and force you to play exclusively press. They don’t exactly fit the “versatility” mold. 10.
            Breeland ran a 4.62. That’s ok if you’re Richard Sherman. He’s not. 9.
            Exum blew out his knee. Nobody is sure if he’s a corner or a safety. Ran a 4.59. Not at corner. 8.
            Roby’s inconsistent as all heck, and a pretty big character concern to take in the first two rounds. 7.
            Mitchell has 30″ arms.
            You are left with: Dennard, Gilbert, Fuller, Gaines, Desir, Aikens.
            Gaines, Desir, and Aikens all played at smaller schools.
            Suddenly things don’t look so great.

          • ryan pertl

            The crucial mistake that you make is by assuming he wants all of the WR’s available. Like, seriously? Did we not just witness him cut ties with a guy because he didn’t fit what he wants at WR? I think his name was Desean or something like that. I’ll google it and get back to you.

          • D3FB

            No but he likes a whole hell of alot more than 6 out of the top 22.

          • ryan pertl

            I could say the same about the CB’s. Your argument is flimsy at best.

    • Insomniac

      Then take both of them. Our WR depth is atrocious anyway.

    • GEAGLE

      I’d be completely shocked if the birds took Lee,KB or Cooks with Latimer and Allen Robinson still available

  • Scott J

    It’s a shame we don’t have a high second round pick because I think we could get a first round graded receiver there.

    • oreofestar

      I am totally fine with the wr at 54 I just can’t see 11-12 wrs go in the top 50 picks even if they are all worth it some will dop and we can have our picks of lets say Adams, Matthews and Moncrief at 54 then pray Barr or Gilbert falls or take Fuller or Dennard

      • Malcolm Jones

        Jeremiah Attaochu may be at our second pick… in this draft that does not have a lot of OLBs i rather get one then have projects…get WR out of the way and you can take one of the better OLBs left

        • oreofestar

          I will be shocked if Attoachu makes it to 54

          • Malcolm Jones

            They have like 2 or three people ranked a head of him in most of the stuff I heard and I think people will be taking the last top tier WR, 2nd tier QB’s, and some of the 2nd tier safties in that round so he may fall a bit

          • GEAGLE

            Depends,,on how GMs see chrichton, Trent Murphy and Demarcus Lawrence…will Attaucho be higher on teams big boards than those 3? He is higher on mine,,,how about Kony and Dee? Were are they on teams big boards in relation to him….

            There are so many quality prospects that I don’t think we can rule out finding him or Marcus on the board when we pick..fingers crossed…I wouldn’t focus too much on 22 and 54. Think there will be a lot of movement in this draft, who know where we end up picking…I could see scenarios where our first pick doesn’t come til like #38..or one of those cases where you move back two spots for an extra 7th…doubt we end up picking where we are set to pick

  • Baloophi

    *** L.A. DRAFT PARTY! ***
    Thursday, 4:30pm
    Public House 1739
    1745 North Vermont Avenue
    Los Angeles, CA 90027

    Attention Los Angeles area friends: laeagle and I will be gathering together Thursday at Public House 1739 to watch the draft, drink some beer, and heckle other teams’ selections. This hallowed tradition can trace its roots all the way back to last year when we did the exact same thing.

    All are welcome, and there’s even a rumor that Anders is making the journey from Denmark to join us. Did I just start that rumor right now? Yes, but you can never be certain of rumors this time of year…

    Public House is a surprisingly cavernous tavern but you’ll be able to find us easily because I’ve acquired a secret weapon: an Eagles helmet phone. We have no idea how it will come into play during the draft, but we’re both confident it will somehow prove essential.

    • D3FB

      Figure out the Eagles representatives number at the draft. Call them. Convince them that you are Jeff Lurie, laeagle is Chip, and Ders is Tom Gamble, who has a cold which totally explains his accent. Proceed to make picks. Giggle incessantly when Eagles nation is in an uproar that you got Rodger Goodel to say that the Eagles picked Jerry “Boo Boo” Gates in the first round, when he’s a seventh round box safety. Insist Rodger calls him Boo Boo. Hope to God they let the Eagles make their actual pick and you haven’t doomed the franchise. Enter the witness protection program when Lurie sends his henchmen after you. Flee to Denmark with Anders. Be the three amigos of Denmark. Plan complete.

      • Baloophi

        The Three Amigos of Denmark?!?!?!?!

        I’m calling my agent…

        • D3FB

          Of course you have an agent. LA people…

          • Baloophi

            Life insurance agent – if part of the gambit is for me to pick Boo Boo Gates with our first rounder, I imagine GEAGLE would put a bounty on my head.

          • D3FB

            Can I be a beneficiary?

          • Baloophi

            You’re not getting the helmet phone, if that’s where this is going. I’m getting buried with that thing.

    • laeagle

      2 things to add:

      1. While part of me is a bit disappointed to see the EaglePhone prior to Thursday, and thus lose the joy of surprise, another part of me is happy to now have time to prepare for being in its presence. That thing is glorious. More noble, inspiring, and awe-inducing than even my wildest dreams could have led me to believe.

      2. I make no promises that anyone who shows up will actually like me.

  • GEAGLE

    Like Tom, I could def see us liking him as high as 22. But the Niners were also said to be high on him, and hey had a rep at his pro day when eagles kept Cody an extra 20min to watch him run our routes…Could Cody at 22 be what gets the 49ers to trade us #30 and #77 to go get him? I like Cody a lot, but I don’t like him more than using 22 to add two high caliber weapons like Allen Robinson at #30 and use #77 on whoever falls between Moncreif,Sefarian Jenkins and Tre Mason…..#30 could be extremely valuable, with teams who plan on taking a QB in the top 7′of round two, possibly wanting to trade into the end of round 1 so they can get that QB on a 5yr rookie deal, instead of only 4 years if they don’t trade up and take him in round 2…teams are seeing the success of teams like the eagles,Seahawks and Niners who are paying g chump change for their QB on rookie deals..

    So if we take an extra 3rd and move down to 30, there will be a real chance a team picking at the beginning of round two like the Jags or Raiders wants to jump the Texans, give us another extra 3rd to move,up to 30…so we could see a case where turning down Cody Latimer at 22, ends us getting us Allen Robinson,Tre Mason and Austin Sefarian Jenkins lol…basically getting 3 high caliber weapons for our first round pick,leaving all our normal picks to build the defense…

    If we end up not trading back and using the 22nd pick. I’d assume we end up with either Barr(if lucky), or Allen Robinson, or Cody Latimer which we can comfortably allow ourselves to fall in love with because they will most likely both be available at 22…

    A player no one is talking about is Stephan Tuitt…it that kid were to fall to like #45, I could see us mortgage a future pick to add him

    • oreofestar

      Stephon needs to get to 54 for him to be an Eagle and even then it depends what is on the board also you know I like Cody but at 22 no way…people need to calm down I think people are just getting tired and he is flying up mocks because of extra time I think most GMs may still have 2-3 rd grades on him I would take A Rob over him any day

      • Malcolm Jones

        all it takes is one guy to see what nobody saw in him and to snatch him up… during Brady’s draft all those teams passed him multiple times…knowing now what we didnt know then….everyone should have had a V8…that why i only care how the eagles view him.

      • GEAGLE

        Kid has the ceiling to develop into a better WR than Cooks,Lee and ODB…those players will be better rookies..but let’s not pretend that Cody and A Rob don’t have higher ceilings…with the right coaching, Latimer or Robinson could end up being the top WRs from this class behind Sammy and Evans..

        What we need to do is stop pretending the mock communities thoughts of what pick a kid is worth is gospel….I don’t see how anyone can look at the Potential of A Rob or Lat, and undoubtably say that Front a offices won’t think they are worth the 22nd pick…

        Mock community is convinced Dee Ford is worth the 22nd pick…I have a 3rd or 4th round grade on him…Thursday we find out what the NFL thinks of him..
        ..
        Last year Mock community was convinced Sharrif Floyd was a lock to go top 5…NFL front offices strongly disagreed and he didn’t even get taken in the top 20…
        ..
        Will Cody definitely go in the 20-27 range? No clue…but IMO, he is top 5 in terms of upside of this crop of WR prospects. I can name 5′WRs who will probably have better rookie years, but I don’t see 5 WR who I would bet money on developing into better WR than Cody 3′years from now…of course a lot of different factors will have a hand in deciding who grows into the better player…but personally I’d rather take a raw guy with a world of potential at 22, than to take a safe player who I can count on being good, but probably doesn’t have the ceiling to be special(like Lee)..

      • Anders

        Normally it is the other way. GMs and scouts have had him high for a long time, but because he played at Indiana, online draftnicks didnt really watch him before his crazy pro day.

    • Amber Jack

      Every scouting report I have read about ASJ says he has a terrible work ethic/attitude.
      I will be shocked if they take him. Chip wants high character guys with great work ethic.

    • eagleyankfan

      GE – we still have a friendly bet on what the eagles do at 22?

  • Rick H

    Only if the Eagles trade back in the first round and get at least a 3rd rd pick and a 6th. They would have to trade with someone at the top of the 2nd round or no deal.

  • Tom W

    Matt Waldman author of the rookie scouting portfolio has latimer ranked in top 5 of all wrs in this class. I watched 6 of latimers games and thought he could do everything. Great hands separation deep speed strength blocking routes. My fourth ranked wr.

    If Barr, Mosley, and haha, and odb are off the board, and assuming eagles are stuck at 22 I’m fairly sure we are taking latimer, or attaboy or dark horse deone Buchanan. I think latimer is going no lower than 32 to the Seahawks.

  • A_T_G

    I like how quickly he catches, tucks the ball away and gets upfield. The ball goes from flying through the air to safely secured almost too fast to see.

  • Anders

    What I like most is that he uses his size and that he got natural soft hands.

    • GermanEagle

      You think he needs using hand lotion?

      • Anders

        If he did maybe they would become silky smooth? Maybe that was Chris Carter’s secret?

  • Anders

    Wow just saw on Twitter that Bill Parcells wanted to take Reggie White in the USFL draft in 1985 when they had the 3rd overall pick, 1 in front of the Eagles. Dear god everybody should be happy Reggie White and LT didnt play on the same team.

  • Mark Vicera

    Reminds me of Jason Avant.

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