Too Many What If’s
Posted: October 27th, 2014 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 646 Comments »When you lose a game like the Eagles yesterday, the loss gets replayed in your mind over and over. What if Nate Allen stays deep? What if Chip Kelly challenges the spot? What if he goes for it on 4th/inches? What if Josh Huff doesn’t fumble in the Red Zone? What if Nick Foles isn’t picked off in the Red Zone? And so on.
There was not one moment that lost that game. There isn’t one person to blame. The Eagles were flawed all day and simply had too many What If moments against a good team. You can do that against the Rams or Skins and get away with it. Not against the Cardinals, especially on the road.
I went back and re-watched the goal line sequence. After review, I’m not sure Chip Kelly would have won a challenge. I think it was a terrible spot, but you need visual proof. Unfortunately, there is a Cardinal defender that blocks you from seeing when/where Chris Polk’s legs hit the ground. You can guess based on the way he’s moving that he’s still off the ground, but I didn’t see definitive visual proof. That took some of the sting out of not challenging. But again…what an awful spot. I don’t know how the on-field officials were so off.
The worst thing about the loss is that it ruined some things I’d love to be happy about.
* If you set aside the 2 long TDs, the Eagles defense played well. They allowed one long TD drive. They allowed one short FG drive (which came after an INT). The Eagles let the Cardinals get a few yards here and there, but controlled them for the most part. They played good, solid team defense.
Unfortunately, those 2 mistakes gave up 155 yards and 14 points. You can’t just ignore them. I need to study the Fitzgerald TD at length to see who was at fault. Nate Allen accepted the blame for the John Brown TD.
I don’t know what to say about Nate. That was an awful play. Just dreadful. Your gut reaction is to want to cut him and say “Enough!”, but that really doesn’t accomplish anything. Earl Wolff thinks he’s injured and Chris Maragos isn’t as good as Nate. Unless the team is ready to promote Ed Reynolds from practice squad to starter, you’re left with Nate. You just have to use this disastrous moment to teach the other players what not to do. They should already know that, but we’ve seen mistakes like this in the past with the Eagles and other teams. Players forget the situation and bite up. That’s just dumb football.
There is still the possibility of a trade, but don’t get your hopes up.
* The loss takes away from the great game Jeremy Maclin had. He was terrific. 12-187-2. Maclin had a beautiful long TD catch and also an impressive catch and run TD. He worked the middle of the field. He made a beautiful grab on the sideline late in the game to put the Eagles within reasonable reach of the end zone.
After 7 games…
Mac – 39-632-16.2…6 TDs…10 catches of 20 or more yards
DJax – 26-528-20.3…3 TDs…7 catches of 20 or more yards
I’m not saying Mac is better, but he has produced big results as the #1 WR this year, just as DJax did last year. Mac is doing a solid job as a blocker and there are no off-field issues at all. The big challenge now is getting him to sign a new deal, but that is a good problem to have.
* The Eagles had another good day of running the ball. We all agree they didn’t run enough, but Kelly obviously thought the best way to attack them was to throw. My guess is that he hoped to build a lead and then run a lot in the 4th quarter. The Cards have a terrific run defense, but if you make the rush the passer a ton early, you could wear them down and then run on them. The Eagles did that, except they didn’t have the lead so that limited how much they could run.
The Eagles ran well enough to knock Arizona from being the top run defense in the league.
And the Cardinals overall defensive ranking fell down big time. They gave up a ton of yards. The Eagles moved the ball really well at times. They just didn’t score the points they needed to and that cost them the game.
What if…
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Great post Tommy. One thing that I am starting to worry about is ball distribution. When we got rid of djax most thought that Kelly was going to distribute the ball a lot more, some to maclin, ertz, coop, and matthews would each have games and that the distribution would be less lopsided than it is. Any thoughts on this.
Do we need another viable second receiver — is it an issue, or not?
The middle of the field feels under utilized, throwing at the sidelines a lot, I though the middle of the field would be our strength this year. Haven’t looked at the stats, but it doesn’t feel that way.
overthrow at the sidelines is an incompletion. overthrows in the middle of the field get picked.
Agreed, just thought our TE’s and bigger WR corps would be eating up the middle of the field, even if they are riskier throws, seems like our throw arsenal has been side lines, tossing up throws for grabs deep and sideways passes like bubble screens etc. The TE’s destroying in the seems from the preseason seems to be gone.
me too. thought ertz would have a game today. maybe foles doesn’t feel comfortable throwing over the middle?
Why aren’t they sending him down the seam?mfeel like he only ran short routes all day..wtf
thought he was going to explode this game. fantasy team struggling.
Honestly, with Foles this year-every pass has a high probability of getting picked. But I get what you are saying.
yeah, was watching NO/GB and seeing the crispness of Brees` throws, kept askin myself why doesn`t Foles throw a pass like that.
but then I also saw SD and Rivers has the worst looking throw I`ve ever seen; can`t understand how he survives
Brees is 35 with 13 years of NFL experience under his belt, Foles is 25 with less than 3 years. That’s a big difference.
Sure,I understand that.
I was just thinking the same.
Plus, it seems as though intermediate throws to the sideline (particularly out routs) are Foles’ weakest passes. Those plays really expose his lack of arm strength.
that might be the answer there, maybe teams are forcing him to throw to the sideline to expose him.
those are the safest throws. if he makes 10 overthrows to the middle of the field he’d have a lot more than 9 picks
The deep ball to Maclin was a 54 yard TD. He caught in 5 yards in the endzone. Assuming Foles threw it from five yards deep thats a 65 yard ball perfectly thrown.
Of course, but that’s my point. That was deep post, which is a pattern that allows you to put some air under the ball while the receiver outruns the coverage. The out routs need to be gunned in there before the defender recovers and has a play on the ball, but Foles just seems to float them in there – usually erring on the side of overthrowing, which avoids a pick, but isn’t really productive.
J. Maclin
12
187
2
54T
R. Cooper
5
88
0
50
Z. Ertz
5
48
0
15
J. Matthews
6
47
0
23
L. McCoy
3
14
0
8
J. Huff
1
12
0
12
B. Celek
2
8
0
6
J. Maehl
1
6
0
6
C. Polk
1
1
0
1
Your point? ;~D . Good point.
“But again…what an awful spot. I don’t know how the on-field officials were so off.”
I know every fan thinks that the refs screwed their team, but it didn’t exactly seem like the refs were cutting the Eagles any breaks yesterday. The No Fun League indeed.
making up for last year.
Yes, once again they were calling ticky tacky stuff and ignoring the really harmful stuff. Call this pick but not that one. They were calling on both teams but many in the first quarter were stupid and hurt the Eagles the most. Then when TWO Cardinals spear their helmets simultaneously into the sides of Maclin’s head – NO CALL AT ALL!!!
Sorry for the caps. Got to change my editing program one of these days.
What if the Eagles had adequate QB play? They would be 7-0 and favorites to win the Super Bowl. This team is so good, but Foles is holding them back. Maclin should have Calvin Johnson numbers this season. Shady would be so much better if defenses actually respected Foles. It truly boils down to one big missing piece that will stop the Eagles from winning it all. (Yeah, there are other flaws like the secondary, but an unstoppable offense would cover for that).
Sorry, but this is a silly counterfactual. If Foles doesn’t make big time plays down the stretch, they lose to the Colts and Redskins and aren’t even in position to win against the Cards or 49ers. His play hasn’t been inadequate, it’s been inconsistent – good at times, bad at others. There’s a difference.
thank you!
very nicely level headed insight.
I thought it was a parody. Hard to tell.
Matt Bowen of BR and former NFL safety puts the blame on Williams on that long TD based on the look.
The problem is of course, that he does not know the play call.
Very interesting. Well Nate took the lump regardless. Tough game to lose, everyone is mad but overall I didn’t come away from the game feeling a whole lot different about this team than before to be honest. Still feeling ok for this point in the season.
I think the conclusion is both blows in coverage.
A minus seven TO differential is not troubling? I’m not feeling ok.
Not at 5-2, not particularly. Not like those count against us next week. If we commit to the run game that won’t be as big a problem. Been trying to make Nick carry us way too much, making him throw way too many passes. Even his most staunch supporters wouldn’t want to put the team squarely on his shoulders at this point. If the Cards were some garbage team, sure, but no I believe we are better than them, just need to clean some stuff up: turn overs and the tougher one, red zone production. But it’s still relatively early in the season.
turnover differential is one of the most important stats in the league. if you want to talk about regression to the mean it means we’re going to lose a lot more games. look at the teams with poor turnover differentials — you don’t want to be them.
or we will have less turnovers in the future because of regression to the mean. Turn-overs are a great indicator to explain past results, hey that team had a bad season, oh look at the Turn over differential, there’s the problem. However they’re a bit flukey as a predictor for my tastes. Red zone struggles however are more systemic. That’s my biggest concern right there.
Red Zone play calling has actually been a concern all year. Where’s the gambler Chip from last year?
Nate already admitted it and took responsibility, while Cary also clearly made an effort to cover for Nate instead of throwing him under the bus again…
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Cary expected inside(quarter field) help
so that’s 2 over the top TDs on nate. i don’t want to believe he’s as much of a liability as he is.
Bit on a dig route both times I believe
god i hope it wasn’t the same exact play call. sort of looked like it.
If it was quarters it was on Williams
i know you defend Nate like you are his mother, and you won’t ever give Cary any respect, I get it…. But both Chip and Nate today said that was Nates fault, not Cary’s..
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Direct quote from chip: “Nate bit the cheese”, “had two really great plays, and one really costly mistake at the end”
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Direct quote from Nate: “that was my fault, I have to do better and be where I am supposed to be”
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I don’t see this as debateable..
That just means it wasnt quarters. Never said it wasnt Allen’s fault, just replied to you who said it was quarters and I said it would be Williams faults if it was quarters.
If you read down, you see how em trashing Allen’s coverage. Allen is a good SS who has good coverage skills, but super bad eye technique.
From being at the game, it seemed like the Eagles just wanted to spread them out horizontally as much as possible because running up the middle vs. Dan Williams & co. wouldn’t be easy.
We did a handful of those fake sweeps where Nick would roll out 5-7 steps and just dump it to a WR streaking in front of him a few yards away.
I think those were basically just like run plays (even though they’re not), like how Big Red used to treat his BWest dumpoffs as run plays.
What if… The eagles drafted Deone bucannon and not Marcus Smith. Maybe ertz catches that TD in an alternate universe.
Ertz timed his jump terribly.
He said he didn’t see the ball until the last minute and by then it was too late.
Ertz is still half a rookie.
You would get your silly lil taste of instant gratification, and you would miss out pn the awesome OLB marcus will grow into..
Whatever we need a safety and bucannon is gonna be excellent. No excuses, gotta make plays. I used to be a Smith lover from the get go, not now.
Seems to me that Matthews could have had that last pass if only he didn’t jump for it. Ugh… Bet he doesn’t jump for a pass that doesn’t require him to jump anymore.
Was thinking the same thing. He jumped and caught it in his body, and the momentum took him out of bounds. If he had stretched with his arms instead (granted a harder catch) he may well have been able to keep his feet on the ground or get them down easier. I thought it was a makeable catch, and would have completely changed all the “what if” questions. Instead, just becomes one more of them.
Matthews is a rookie.
Indeed. Doesn’t make him a good or bad player. Just one more play which could have been made. (He didn’t even get one foot in bounds, so it would not have been a catch in college either.)
was also wondering if Riley Cooper had NOT jumped he may have caught a TD when the Cards D Back swatted it back almost into play ..but he still could have grabbed it!! (was it Riley C ..think it was…)
Toes down and stretch instead of run and body catch?
This is where Chip needs to step up and be the great genuis, facilitator and leader we’ve been told over & over he is. None of the issues that led to yesterday’s loss are new – poor red zone performance has been an issue all season, turnovers have been an issue all season, poor secondary play has been an issue both seasons, his QB has struggled all season and his play calling has left much to be desired throughout the season. What is he doing to fix these things?? He keeps saying they will “clean these things up”, but they continue to be issues. He’s got to start finding solutions.
Yep. Chip is starting to sound like Andy Reid up there. “Gotta do a better job”.
Someone posted earlier saying something about Foles going through “growing pains” as a young qb. I’m of the opinion Chip is going through a similar process as he transitions from college.
Very well could be true…if so we should probably slow down or stop with the “genuis” comments about him then. It is not Chip’s fault, but he has been way over-hyped and heralded when he has not even won a playoff game yet. He has done a lot of things right and has a 15-8 record so far and I believe he will get it figured out, but we need to see real progress with this offense now, No more excuses.
I want perfection and I want it now, dammit. The season is not yet half over, and remember, the backups on the offensive line do not sustain their blocks long enough to expect a reasonably strong running game. If the running game clicks, Foles gets more open looks, and starts to resemble that guy who wore 9 last year. If you think Kelly has been hyped, get back on the bus.
Well, we hired him and are paying him to make these tough choices and make the proper adjustments, right? If the backups on the OL are not good enough, then Chip is partially responsible for that, right? He helped pick and develop them. I still believe in Chip, but did not expect us to be 32nd in red zone efficiency or -7 in the turnover stat or continue to field an erratic offense when he was heralded as an offensive guru. The ST and defense have mostly held up their end of the bargain; its the offense that has held us back so far….isn’t that supposed to be Chip’s forte?
To be clear, Jeff Lurie owns the team that you and I think of as ours, and he, not we, hired CK. Ticket- holders and everyone who spends a nickel on jerseys or drinks help to fulfill Lurie’s contract with Kelly, but surely you know that is the extent of our input. I saw enough last season to convince me that the Eagles have a great coach in Kelly. I don’t deny your right to carp about the failures and there are plenty, but I am enjoying this journey, apparently a lot more than you and many other fans. Let me ask you this: If the Eagles were first or second in red zone productivity, but their record was 3-4, would you be happier than you are now?
“I’m not saying Mac is better”
You don’t have to. JM is doing that for everyone.
their stats are pretty close. foles also spread the ball a lot more last year. gotta wonder if riley’s really better for the offense right now.
Their stats are pretty close, only Maclin’s are superior. He’s also a better blocker, better decoy because he runs hard on every play even when he’s not the primary target, and better locker room presence and teammate. He’s pretty clearly been a superior player to Jackson this season.
Cooper’s another matter, but while he’s not a good starting caliber WR and can definitely be upgraded upon, he’s played competently of late and is not a prima donna. A significant downgrade from DJax in terms of talent to be sure, but maybe a necessary one for Chip to ultimately build the culture he wants.
i don’t think it’s who is better it’s what would the team look like with BOTH. We didn’t cut jackson for cap reasons.
Blocking is key.
But so is the attitude when you’re not getting the ball. Coop seems to be perfectly built for that role. Not sure Desean would be ok with getting limited targets with all of the weapons.
Well, the statement was made regarding Mac being a better player. So let’s address that….Yes, clearly.
I tell you what, you take Mac out of this offense and insert Jaccpot and it would be an even bigger shit show. Mac is the only reliable constant on the outside and please don not try to state that Jackson was remotely reliable or constant at anything related to football.
On Maclin: His stats would also probably be a lot higher had he and Foles connected on some earlier throws this season. He might have been over 800 yards already with another touchdown or two.
Building culture by employing Cooper?
Were you not around last summer?
Basically. He certainly doesn’t disapear when it matters
Tom: to add, this morning chip says that if you study all the past challenges, it’s a low percentage or the time where spot of the ball has been overturned on a challenge… Personally I haven’t done the research so I can’t speak on the success rate of challenging the spot, but I found it interesting that chip new that, keeps showing how thorough he is
Eagles had one or two hard spot challenges last year. Especially at goal line there are two many bodies to see the ball and knee clearly. And if refs get it wrong you need absolute proof.
I think challenges involving the spot of the ball are usually pretty shaky. I seem to remember a bunch of them from the Andy Reid days, and they rarely went in the Eagles direction. I still think it would have been worth a shot – I’m still not convinced Polk didn’t break the plane of the GL on that 2nd down run.
Nate Allen also made a GREAT play on forcing the turnover and recovering it in bounds…naturally the offense did nothing with the opportunity, but I thought the D played pretty well all day – the offense really was the culprit for why we lost: 3 turnovers, 0-3 in the red zone etc.
Two losses, where eagles were ahead with lead in fourth quarter, gave up a score, then marched back and put ball in wr hands in end zone. So, so close.
Not that eagles are lacking in come from behind victories either.
can’t win every close game. we escaped a couple of times this year but can’t win all of them like that.
Both on the road, against two of the best teams in the NFC. People need to keep perspective – both losses sucked, because we were so close to winning both games. But in the big picture, neither is anything to be ashamed of.
Not at all. Frustrating, no doubt. But, still gotta feel good about this team moving forward with plenty of football left to be played. The main sucky thing, however, is both the 9ers and Cards have tie breakers on the Eagles right now. But, I still expect this team to win the division. The 1st round bye is so close though…
One thing I take as a really good sign, even when things get really rough for FOles, he almost always steps up when it matters and gives us a chance to win at the end.. 1:22 left in the game, 2 TO.. Take you all the way down field and gave you a chance to win, just like he did in the Niners game.
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I’m already more comfortable with Nick in the clutch than I ever was with McNabb.
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I find it to be a very good sign in a young gunslinger
very mentally strong in that sense. doesn’t let issues spiral. just not a great arm and right now not very fundamentally sound.
My concern for him right now is the ole bringing the house blitz is very effective against him and this is a copy-cat league. He’ll need to, or Chip needs to help him, find a way to beat that or we’re going to see a lot of that the rest of the season.
No sacks but it rendered his throwing to snap an chuck it down field immediately and pray or throw off the back foot.
surprised we didn’t hit screen passes on the last drive, i think it’s b/c we din’t have TOs in case we couldn’t get out of bounds.
Agreed, but then people have been way too good at sniffing out our screen passes this year, we need to self scout or something to see if we are giving off a tell or something. Those things used to be devastating. I guess we still bust one once in a while though. Can’t get 20+ yards every time I guess.
Thankfully that is easily countered when an opponent keeps doing it. If he can recognize it, audible, and get the ball out fast..
And actually, at one point yesterday, on a blitz, and quickly threw a quick pass to Cooper in the flat that went for 9 yards. With someone faster, that’s a big play.
good point
Actually, he burned the Cards repeatedly when they brought the house against him yesterday. They did force him to backpedal and throw off his back foot, but he was getting the ball to open receivers and making them pay.
Pressuring him with four or five man rushes, moving him out of the pocket, and mixing up coverages appears to be what troubles him the most (as is typical for young quarterbacks).
ah, haven’t gotten to watch a second time yet, will be interesting to chart it out. Honestly if he could clean up those picks he wouldn’t be doing badly at all. Not a super star, but really not bad.
God help a team trying to protect a 1 or 2 point lead in 4-down situation! The man drives when we need him too. We just gotta figure out this Red zone woes. Was hoping it would be fixed after the bye week, but the Cardinals are a good D, especially when the field shrinks, haven’t given up hope yet.
Foles RZ issues, and really all his issues this year, come from him panicking and running wildly backwards immediately after catching the snap which allows the Ends to run up the field past our tackles, and then he just continues to run backwards and then throws the ball while spinning around backwards, closing his eyes, ducking his head and turning his back to the play. Not exactly the way you see Peyton, Bree’s, Brady play the position. not sure how you teach someone to not continue with that awful habit.
I like to call what you described “the Kevin Kolb Syndrome”
i must know….why do you spell foles like FOles….?
Yeah, I missed the thread when that started and it’s been ever since he took the job from Vick. Why?
Good grief. Why was a miracle, last-minute, game-saving, drive even necessary? Not scoring in the RZ = bad. Turnovers in the RZ = the worst.
Cuz football isnt a picnic. Shit happens
I know we’re all down today, but this team really reminds me of Andy’s early days. They just keep fighting and are in every game.
Before Chip got here, we would have failed on that 4th down play or committed a holding penalty.
The guys seem to be buying in. The culture change has been remarkable. We just need to upgrade the talent in the secondary.
Literally seconds before that 4th quarter Cardinals long touchdown, I looked at my friend and said that, strategically, it might be better to just let them have the touchdown than to let them milk the clock off on a long drive. I trusted our offense more than I did our defense. Only a couple of plays from working…
PERSPECTIVE:
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Andrew Luck: 26/45 400yards 3TD, 2 INT (garbage time TD) Blown out on the road…
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Russel Wilson: 20/32 199yards, 1TD, 1INT put up 13 points coming off a two game win streak
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Cam Newton: 12/22 171yards, NO TDs, 1 INT. Put up 9 points all day, has 50 starts under his belt
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Flacco: 17/34 195yards, NO TDs, 2INT.. 100mil dollar Super Bowl winner
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Dalton: 21/28 266yards, NO TD, 1INT
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Tannehill: 16-29 196yards, 1TD, 1 INT
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Bunch of young QBs trying to grow in a league where it’s very tough to win.. FOles might have outplayed all of them yesterday in a losing, very flawed effort. No reason to over react.. Development of young QBs doesn’t happen overnight, and their will be adversity!
as you said last week it’s wins and losses. Ravens really needed that game they are in the midst of blowing their playoff hopes. That RW stat is pretty on par with what he was last year.
what i really respect about this team is that there’s no game where people just don’t show up.
OK, I’ll bite. These stats taken from the 100 foot level favor your point. But to really accurately compare them all-let’s look at the season stats. Foles stats are across the board worse than every single one of these QBs that you just named. Yesterday was not an aberration, it was a trend.
There is nothing to bite. I listed facts, take it how you want it
I want to beat the crap out of Eal Wolff. He was supposed to step up and take the safety spot from Nate…. While my boy Deonne Buchannon was blasting dudes smh…
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Gonna send OL Miss Cody Prewitt tape to chip lol.mcant we trade for mark Barron on something, anything is better than this
Buchannon had some up and downs yesterday but he made some big plays too. It would be nice to have a 1st round pick who is meaningfully contributing.
Did you miss #65 way out wide blocking for Maclin? Pretty sure that play features 2 first round picks.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2014102609/2014/REG8/eagles@cardinals#tab=videos&menu=gameinfo|contentId%3A0ap3000000418212
Actually, 3 first-round picks:
LJ blocking PP for JM
Sorry, I look at rookie production as nothing more than a bonus. I just liked Deone. Has nothing to do with him playing. He could sit on the bench his entire rookie year and I still would feel this way.
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Prewitt happens to be a safety that reminds me a lot of Buchanon… As much as I loved Deone, I would still have drafted Marcus.. Want a quality OLB, the sooner we start developing the young athlete the better.
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I find it very difficult to respect the acumen of fans,that make too much out of Marcus smith not playing before half way season of his rookie year. I can’t help but find that train Of thought, just STUPID
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Buchannon- 1st round
Wolff- 5th round
Any indication that Wolff was going to be more than a backup and a role player at this point in his career was wishful thinking on your part.
LOL smh
FWIW, I just talked to him the other night and he said the knee is good (and he has been willing to tell me before that it’s bothering him).
I hope he realizes that this is going to be his chance. Maybe they will rotate him in for a series or too. He hasn’t seen the field on defense since the Frank Gore play.
Hope he realizes that if he gets the “won’t play injured” label it’s like an NFL scarlet letter. I pride myself on viewing development process of young players more accurately than typical fans, and Physically speaking, he has all the talent to grow into a stud safety, but he is behind right now. He should be further ahead of the development process.
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With that said, all hope isnt lost yet.. Look at all the crap people talked about brandon Graham for years, but his NFL brain needs to catch up to his NFL athleticism soon!
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Starting to get the feeling coaches no longer trust him. If Nate gets hurt today. I’m not sure they play Wolff ahead of Maragos right now…could be wrong tho…. HOPEFULLY he can get it together and earn some trust during the second half of this season.. He is out their on ST.mhopefully he makes some plays on ST and works his butt off to get the coaches to give him another shot at safety. I haven’t looked at snap counts, but I def haven’t seen him much since the Niners game..
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This kid is too physically gifted to not get it together. Rooting for the kid, but I’m starting to worry and he is falling behind where he should be on the development curve
your dude just put their best DB in the locker room with a nasty concussion and almost took out Maclin as well. If he keep doing that, he will soon be on the sideline missing pay days
Maybe they,should cut him?
I liked him a lot in last year’s draft….he got picked before us unfortunately…..and we know what we did with our original first round pick…..
This is so wrong….for some reason I thought Deone was picked at 20 and not 27……
kelly laughed off trade rumors, oh well.
Translation: expect an Eagles trade. 😉
i’d love that. and after games from both teams yesterday i can understand it.
Fingers crossed.
SOOO doubtful
When was the last time an in-season trade made an impact? Even Randy Moss was a non-factor when he was traded in that situation. You can’t plug a guy into a new, completely unfamiliar system and culture and expect results just because he has a big name.
and a big body. 7 weeks till playoffs, think he can learn by then.
If we’re talking about somebody like Vincent Jackson, he’d need time to learn all the routes and audibles, develop timing with Foles, etc. There’s no time for that during the season – every practice rep has to go towards preparing for that week’s opponent. There’s a reason it generally takes receivers two whole offseasons after entering the league to excel – it’s a mentally demanding position.
I’m afraid to look at other Eagles sites. Can’t imagine the nonsense floating around today
It’s really, really bad. Sad actually.
you gotta wonder if this is what the team is. right below the top echelon of NFC east teams.
The team is still the team we think they are…this isn’t a finished product by any stretch…
Yes really bad.
Even Eagles twitter is bad.
I haven’t gotten the courage to go on Twitter since the game. I can only imagine
Tommy tweeted after the game that Foles has been up and down but generally more good than bad. He got about 50 responses telling him he didn’t know what he was talking about and that Foles was the worstestest, and about 2 saying that was a reasonable, measured statement.
lol sounds about right.. Turned on the radio and heard some toothless Kenzo ranting. That chip needs to understand this isn’t college lol..l that was the end of my radio listening
All I ask is the Cards beat Dallas next week and Eagles can beat the Texans.
We can all hope. However history/trend is in favour of the Cowboys next Sunday.
I don’t expect the Cardinals to win in Dallas given the fact they are just coming off an emotional win against the Eagles.
Dallas will be on a short week though.
Dallas is on a short week but is playing at home tonight…the short week after playing the Monday night game usually affects the travel team moreso than the home team…..
The good thing is they play Sunday night before Thanksgiving. In New York. They won’t get back to Dallas til 5am. Or about 84 hours until kickoff.
The Cowboys are also due for a loss. They’re not a 14-2 team.
Maybe. They. Are. A. 13-3. Team.
You have to be both deep and really, consistently good to go 13-3. The Cowboys have basically the same key talent they’ve had over the past few seasons, when they’ve ended up 8-8. It’s more likely they’ve played above their heads and are due for a reversion to the mean than that Romo, Murray, Bryant, Free, etc. have suddenly all inexplicably become better, more reliable players several years into their careers.
As you may know me by now, I am more like a “cautiously optimistic” person rather than living on a rosy pony farm.
That being said I really hope that our losses against two direct playoff contenders in the NFC won’t come back to haunt us.
The Cardinals are sitting pretty well at 6-1, having the tiebreaker in their favour. While the Niners “only” sit at 4-3, they will be in a better shape at the end of the season when players like Aldon Smith will re-join them. They have also the tiebreaker against us.
Looking around the NFC it is getting clearer that all divisions – expect the NFC South – can send two teams into the playoffs.
That’s why the games against the Packers and Seahawks will be huge from a playoff implications point of view.
I can live with the Eagles losing to the Texans, an AFC Team, but we better win against the direct playoff contenders in the NFC. We already have two losses against NFC teams and cannot really afford to lose much more.
all games are must win games. the final w/l record is what matters,then details. won`t matter if we go 6-0 against D,NY,Wash if they have a better w/l record.
Well, while I understand where you’re coming from, wins against NFC Teams matter more than wins against AFC Teams. In the long-run and the bigger picture that is.
any loss to any team matters, if that one loss keeps a team out of the playoffs. so for me all games are must win games during the season, until it comes down to the final games where the details get involved(like the Eagles last year against Chicago(i think),since had to beat Dallas anyway). so for the big picture begins from game one,cause we`re filling in the details as the season goes along. you know creating your own destiny and all that, instead of others putting you in do or die situations.
I hear ya. However if you had to choose between a loss against the Cardinals and the Texans you will most likely say the latter; I hope.
I choose NEITHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I hear you. Good points. However, if you consider the fact that Marcus Smith will be playing his best football by the end of the season it tilts the scales in our favor a bit. Right??
You got it. How could I forget about the great Marcus Smith III?!
Was I the Only One screaming at the TV when Chip Kelly decided to run from the shotgun at the goal line? I will never understand why they wouldn’t call a run from under center…!
did the same thing here
Especially since Shady already admitted that he prefers those runs. That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t give Chris Polk another run there.
Chippah should know by now: “all Chris Polk does is scoring TDs…!”
Agree. I don’t get it. Maybe Molk was owned by the NT?
I hated the call too…
With you 100%. I HATED that call, and don’t understand why Chip thinks that spreading out the defense will work on the goal line. Even when the defense knows it’s coming, the QB sneak works 90%+ of the time when all you need is inches, but coaches constantly out-think themselves.
I was screaming as loud as I could. I was hoping they were just trying to draw them off sides.
I was screaming at the top of my lungs.
I been screaming about that since last year and talked about how nice it was to see Foles under center last game, it helps the running game. They did the shotgun run against San Fran if I’m not mistaken. Maddening and it probably won’t ever change. Gotta get some of the college out of Chip, these are bigger faster guys swarming to the ball.
What a bummer. The loss to Arizona will serve well for character building.
Chip called too many passes
3 offensive turnovers
Poor Saftey play from Nate
It was a team loss, one that we will learn from. Chip has to stick with the ground attack. The offensive line has played better as well. The Eagles will learn a lot from this loss.
I really wish we pulled this one off, but it can’t be that easy. I’m still happy the Eagles are winners of 5 and still control their season.
Maclin really balled yesterday. He’s playing to his first round potential and is only getting better each game. The turnovers need to stop… Hopefully they will. Foles doesn’t have me thinking, I know he can play. He will perform down the stretch.. But please stop throwing so many damn interceptions (we all hate interceptions).
Tough loss, hopefully we rebound next week.
My only statement regarding your dead on points is this:
Chip doesnt think he did anything wrong on the play selection, time management, or other assorted coaching issues.
Man, it’s really difficult to get over the fact that twice now, we were literal inches away from winning two very big games, and being 7-0.
Eagles showing they can play with anyone, but are also forming a bad habit of coming up just short on the biggest plays of the game.
The Eagles had three time outs when the bad spot happened.. I assume they would have moved it a little but maybe not as much as they should have, which would save the time out. Chip is a top strategic coach in general but that was a slip-up.
Really puzzled by the 3rd down call at the goal line. Inches for the touchdown, an inch for the first down. Was hoping for the QB sneak or at least have Foles under center for the threat and let him read the defense and audible.
See my post below…
Repeated throws to the flat earlier in the game made me think of Reid’s favorite play. Did anyone else think the play calling was suspect?
I was confused about the opening sequence of calls for sure.
“Earl Wolffe thinks he’s injured”
Had to laugh at this. It’s a shame he hasn’t emerged this year but it’s hard to succeed in this league if you can’t play knicked up.
Trade Wolff, Allen, and a 3rd for Griffin.
WHAT IF ..we kep desean and had 2 reall good recivers !! ..sorry had to do this ..now I will scroll to see if I am the only one
What if we still had Brian Dawkins? We’d probably win the Super Bowl…
Andy never brought us 1 WITH Dawk ,, Andy let Trotter go because he wouldn’t pay him!! that cost us the Super Bowl!!!
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we let Dawk go because we wouldn’t pay him. huge frownie face man!! why you gotta bring that pain up again!! im NOT over HIM EITHER!!
..we didn’t EVEN CALL HIM!!! HE WAS PISSED!!! and they we try and claim him so we can still sell Dawk jersies and retire #20.
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cold move on your part to bring it up.
Joe Banner already openly admitted – on Twitter – that not re-signing Dawk was his biggest regret.
Never understood that because Dawkins had 3/4 of a really great 1st year in Denver, got hurt, and then was largely ineffective. After that he was had some unique talents but was a huge liability in any passing down.
The other thing about Dawkins that Eagles’ fans never admit is that more often that not including in the SB in ’04 his play was underwhelming in the playoffs especially in some of their biggest games.
That decision cost Joe a lot of money.
does that make it right ?
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joe nickles
Q: who’s watching the game tonight?!
Yup, we’ll be watching. It will be painful to cheer for the DeSeanSkins but an Eagles fan has gotta’ do what an Eagles fan has gotta’ do.
Interesting thought: If Baker cheap-shots Romo like he did Nick, will we applaud?
News Flash:
Andrew Luck has 9 picks, Drew Brees 7, Matt Ryan 8, Matthew Stafford 7. Joe Flacco 7.
Foles’ 9 interceptions have popular company….
look at the records of those teams.
They’re pretty varied… Detroit and Indy are doing well, Baltimore and New Orleans are a mixed bag, and Atlanta is a bottom dweller.
What’s your point?
detroit is doing well at 5-2, indy is at 5-3 after getting blown out. stafford’s picks have cost his team a playoff birth more than once. Falcons and Nola are lucky they are in the same division otherwise they’d be out of playoff contention.
again — I don’t see your point. Indy was dominant the week before. Luck lost a fumble and gave a stupid safety. Are you saying that on Indy’s message board they aren’t calling for Lucks head … yet fans on here are calling for Foles? Or is your point, even though there are a lot of int’s — Detroit/Indy/Eagles ARE playoff teams? Are you saying you wouldn’t want Luck as your QB?
Great stat.
It’s the league. Passing is essential. QB’s are protected and they are gonna take chances.
The odds are against the defense on every pass.
People need to realize that we’re one win away from 6-2. That’s on pace to 12-4, I think we would all take that.
Schedule is slightly harder in last 8 games.
I tend to look at travel more than schedule. Both west coast trips are done. Longest travel will be to Dallas.
Our offense should be productive in every game.
Another issue I have is the clock management at the endo f the games. This has been a reoccuring problem in my mind. Yesterday, during the second to last drive-the FG drive-we snapped the ball about 5 or 6 times with about 11 or 12 seconds on the clock. Now, I am only counting the plays inside the Cards territory. There was about 3.5 minutes left, we eventually ran the ball to the 3 inch line and kicked the FG with about two minutes left. My thoughts are this: either do hurry up and snap the ball as quickly as possible-which is your alleged offense-or bleed the whole damn play clock. We knew we were inside their territory with the score tied. Make them burn timeouts or let the clock run out. But for the love of God, do not help the opposing team by keeping damn near an extra 60 seconds(total) on the clock. This is something I have seen time and time again and it is my number one beef with Chip.
could actually be the real culprit. should have taken more time — but at the ams time we need the tempo to be effective.
Dude, at no time yesterday during the last drive did the play clock ever even get close to 5. In fact, I don’t recall it ever dipping below 10 seconds. Besides, bleeding the clock was way more important than any value gained by going early to throw off their snap counting.
I think chip was bleeding the clock. But snapping with 5-10 sec on clock so defense can’t time snap.
I think this team was poised for mistakes based on letting Desean go and having two rookies worked into the rotation. I also see so many promising things with this team moving forward. I can’t believe the strides the front seven have made. I am excited about that young group and special teams.
I am so thankful that one of the safety spots is locked down for the next 2-3 years with Jenkins but the glaring hole next to him keeps showing up. Having a veteran next to Allen/Wolf helps but there is still just such a big hole there. I would have loved seeing Howie go after a safety upgrade at the trade deadline but don’t think anything good was being offered, as the safety position is a pandemic in the league right now.
One thing I was not ready for this year was the 1-2 BAD picks a game thrown by Foles. Is Musgrave secretly working for 31 other teams and sabotaging our promising, young QB? I was a big supporter of Foles but what can you realistically pay him if he plays the remainder of the season out in this same fashion? Hard to say he is an upgrade over a Sanchez, Orton, Fitzpatrick type player, and they come cheap with minimal commitment. I thought the bye week might sort some of that stuff out, but man, just really poor decisions.
The ints are crazy, and there was more bad throws that weren’t ints. A few I was holding my breath cause they looked terrible coming out, rainbow as he is falling backwards.
http://www.phlsportsnation.com/2014/10/25/the-eagles-midnight-green-jerseys-to-replaced-by-kelly-green-ones-by-2016/
Completely unreliable source but I would love to see it happen. Even wear my old Wes Hopkins jersey again.
i now like the black on black
Hate that trend in every MLB sport. So 00s and played out.
i thought we played well in those jerseys. like the mental effect.
It is a sample of one game and the color of a uniform has nothing to do with how a team performs.
Those Steelers throwbacks are awful, yeah.
Personally I think the Bucs have the worst primary uniforms of any NFL team. The design looks like something salvaged from an XFL/Arena League team.
Every now and then you still see one of those horrendous Eagles’ powder blue/yellow atrocities at the Linc but they have really dwindled the last 2 years. Didn’t see a single one at the Rams’ game.
Along with those Packer throwbacks. Ugh those are almost as bad.
Eagles have already practiced in midnight green.
Lol…so basically this is just some guy relaying an unconfirmed conversation at a local sports store with a guy who claims to work for Nike.
As was mentioned, there are pictures all over the Eagles site of them receiving their midnight green jerseys, and I would expect that they will be worn for the Carolina game on MNF.
I know. Complete garbage but I did like McCoy in the kelly green.
No one mentioning the Eagles’ kicker and that is exactly what you want to hear. Continues to quietly have an excellent season.
Yes awesome kicks. Smart move by FO
Completely disagree though about the ‘smart move’ and it was largely just good providence and fortune. They bungled the situation last offseason, realized they had a huge issue by the middle of preseason, and then were left scrambling to find a solution.
Yes bungled, yes lucky. Spears was a real candidate, he just didn’t have it. Smart to not have stayed with tried and true, trusty vet, Henery.
Thank god for the long FG situations in the Jets game that Parkey converted. If we don’t get those attempts, the front office likely just goes with Henery – but Parkey was luckily given the opportunity to steal the job.
Those kicks were so clutch. With his job and his future on the line, the kid nails the kicks. He’s got the mojo.
i hope to god he’s not a one year wonder.
I’m just glad he got the chance to show it. There was no guarantee those attempts would materialize, and I don’t think he makes the team without them.
I am not not an apologist for the front office. At first I thought that what they did was shortsighted and moronic. However, the more I thought about it, I realized something. A kicker doesnt necessarily need a particular scheme to show that he is effective in the NFL, he just needs to show he has the chops-on any team. Consider that the front office wanted Parkey over Murderleg-it was reported as such through the media. But they missed out on him and the Colts got him. They knew that the Colts signed Parkey to come to camp and compete with Vinatieri-which was a joke. So essentially, Howie’s buddy, Ryan Grigson, signed our kicker and gave him a real life audition in NFL games and had Parkey in case Vinatieri got hurt. When it became clear that they wouldnt keep Parkey, their was already a relationship with the Eagles who had a full scouting and game performance chart of Parkey. I truly believe this was planned. How, if Viantierei had gotten hurt……
Not planned. Parkey was announced to be cut. Then traded before officially traded.
Don’t get the ‘Maclin vs Jackson’ argument or other completely irrelevant ones too.
Issue was that they resigned Cooper to a decent-sized contract, cut Jackson for nothing, and haven’t adequately replaced Jackson’s production. Yeah, yeah culture triumphs strategy generally but you would be hard pressed right now to argue that it has.
I would love to see V. Jackson here as a red zone target who could largely but cut off this offseason if the Eagles desire. The question is what is the asking price. For a late round #4 pick, it is damn tempting.
Eagles are one injury away from pure roster filler like Maehl getting significant PT and Matthews/Huff being forced into primary roles.
Maclin + Jackson.
Would you give the Bryce Brown pick? I would.
Haven’t adequately replaced Jackson’s production? Maclin has been better this season than Jackson was last season. So how have they not adequately replaced it?
But it’s not an either or proposition. It’s what would the team look like with both.
Probably not as good as you think. You can’t just take Maclin’s stats this season and add them to Jackson’s last season – there’s only one football to go around, they have redundant skills and don’t complement each other all that well, and neither would get as many opportunities with the other around as a result. Furthermore, they’d lose effectiveness in the downfield running game and screen game since Cooper is an excellent blocker and Jackson is basically useless in that capacity. Then there’s all the unquantifiable distraction stuff you’d have to deal with with Jackson bitching about not getting the ball enough, insinuating that he’s not happy with his contract, etc.
I’m not saying Jackson wouldn’t make them better on the field, but I don’t think the improvement would be as significant as people think.
what downfield running game?
Re-watch some of Shady’s runs when he gets into the secondary (admittedly a rare occurrence this year because of the play of the O line). As often as not it’s a block from Cooper that turns a 10 yard run into a 25 yard run. Ditto the screen passes.
What if we drafted a WR that wasn’t Jordan Matthews in the 2nd round? Cody Latimer and Devante Adams had way better body control/hands/boxing out compared to Matthews,
I don’t know if it was illegal to block for Shady on that 3rd and 2 but Matthews just stood there flatfooted. Block the damn guy rookie, sure we got the first down but there wasn’t even any defender visible for the next 10 yards.
Eagles continue to get almost nothing in terms of production out of their draft picks so far this year and it has hurt them a bit especially with some of the injuries.
Matthews has been ok for someone who’s getting a ton of chances. Smith, Watkins, and Huff really hasn’t done anything to make you feel reassured.
Beau Allen has been solid. Mathews seems to be producing at a higher rate than Avant did in the slot. Brandon Bair has had some nice moments. Huff looked good on that run after the catch until he fumbled (he broke several tackles but needs to correct the careless way he held the ball) and he had several nice blocks on the perimeter. Cody Parkey has been a gift from the heavens and responsible for winning at least 1 game. Granted Bair and Parkey weren’t draft picks but they still are rookies.
Are you expecting highlight plays every series/games? That isn’t a reasonable expectation.
No but it has been Matthews and Allen so far and neither has done much. Bair was a FA.
For a rookie WR Matthews is producing well – the perception is skewed by the draft class. Honestly both he and Allen are performing in their roles as you would expect at this stage in their careers if not better.
Bair is still a rookie. Does it somehow devalue his addition to the team that the Eagles were able to add him to the roster without expending a draft pick? I don’t get this obsession with where someone was drafted after the fact. The draft is a cross between an auction and a gamble – you are betting that you can grab the players you like before other teams do. If you are clever enough to know to wait on a rookie till after the draft it shouldn’t be held against the acquisition. Same with Parkey, they may not have gotten him in the draft but he is still a rookie and a major contributor. Would you feel better had Parkey been drafted him in the 4th and Bair in the 5th? If so, pretend Ed Reynolds and Heart are RFAs while Parkey and Bair are draft picks. Because, it doesn’t matter now which were picks.
Was just thinking about this. This was a truly great class of WRs, and I’m not sure we got two of the better ones.
I remember making some mumbles about Martavis Bryant before the draft…
Instead it’s Josh Huff.
Talent is Talent is Talent.
It’s up to you to do a good job coaching knuckleheads, misfits, and crooks.
And hey, take a look at the next ten or so people drafted after Huff.
Huff has soured on me considerably. I wouldn’t have minded so much if he hand’t been making grumbling noises about not getting on the field recently.
A reporter who is basically paid to get a player to say something controversial got a rookie who was coming off an injury and surely frustrated with his situation to say something dumb? Yep, fuck that rookie.
Lol it’s the Philly way smh
Hard to know. Matthews looks good, not great though.
I wrote this yesterday but it bares repeating: don’t rush to judgement on the production of rookies and young players. There was a ton of noise about JPP being picked after BG during his one great season, but since he has fallen off the map and BG is being more productive this season. A lot can happen over the course of the first few years of an NFL career.
Indeed. Especially with WRs. The verdict on every single 2014 draft pick right now is “don’t know, it’s too early”. That goes for guys who have been productive like Matthews and Allen and for guys who haven’t like Smith and Huff. People are so impatient and so prone to ignore history – the player who makes an NFL impact as a rookie is the exception, not the rule.
No one is ignoring history here. How many Portland fans regret passing up Michael Jordan just because he wasn’t a choir boy?
Who is the Michael Jordan we passed up?
Cody Latimer can’t get on the field. Davante Adams has fewer catches for fewer yards than Matthews. On what basis do you think we’d better off with one of those guys than we are with Matthews?
who on the broncos would you bench for a rookie not named Sammie Watkins.
In other words, rookie production is as much a product of circumstance as talent… excellent point!
100% true. Smith has opportunities. Matthews is a starter i can’t tell if he’s good or not he’s sort of limited in what he does. what does cooper do the 50 times a game he’s not targeted?
Andre Caldwell.
Moncrief and allen Robinson, my boys, are playing better than every round two WR you can think of. Devante is close..
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But if you are regretting Mathews after 6 games, that’s a lil coo coo if you ask me. See how Alshon jeffries looked as a rookie? Jordan will be fine
I’m just surprised at why I’m expecting things that I know he can’t do right now.
I’m taking my own advice when someone called this a must win game:
BC1968
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2 days ago
No no no, don’t make that mistake. The Eagles can survive a loss
tomorrow no matter what happens with Dallas MNF. I would be devastated
and pissed if they lost, but I wouldn’t call the division. Sure it would
be very worrisome if we see sloppy play, Foles and the defense stink up
the joint, and we get blown out. The last game of Oct when you’re 5-1
isn’t a must win or lose game for the division.
Maybe if we were
going into this game at 4-2 you could say that, but this team went 7-1
in the second half last season so even at that record it wouldn’t have
been impossible. What the Giants did last week was lose a must win.
We’ve also seen what those jerk-asses have before though. Come tomorrow
I may have to come back and read this for my own sanity, haha…but I
think we’re looking at a win anyway.
That’s genius at work, no worries on my side. 62 passes 2 ints isn’t bad when you compare it to what other great QB’s have done. Pretty sure one time Brady had a 62 pass game with 2 int’s and a td in a loss.
Edit: Sloppy play would be considered penalties, but geez, yesterday’s officials don’t count.
Pretty sure one time Brady had a 62 pass game with 2 int’s and a td in a loss.
Not nitpicking here, but Foles had 2 TDs yesterday. 😉
That’s what I meant in Foles’ favor.
The second guessing I don’t get is the run-pass disparity. It’s fair to second guess anything, and people may be hypothetically right, but this is a fan base that is used to second guessing Reid’s West Coast Offense. Kelly’s base offense is generally centered around the run. Kelly created a strategy to beat the league’s top run defense. National experts didn’t think the Eagles would win, and the Eagles would have won if it wasn’t for you know what, you know what, you know what, and you know what.
Here’s something that I’m going to say that’s going to make everyone feel better: The Dallas Cowboys will LOSE tonight. No doubt, this is not a game they will win. The Redskins will shut down the run, Romo will throw some picks and the skins’ offense will do enough on their side to score more points than the Girls. There you go, feel better now.
You saying it doesn’t make it so. They have a 99% chance of winning & everybody knows it.
99%? No NFL game is that guaranteed, especially not divisional games.
Seriously thanks for stepping in there, what a freaking party pooper.
The Broncos could play Colorado State and wouldn’t even have a 99% chance of winning.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/chicago-bears/0ap3000000417882/Lamarr-Houston-injures-himself-celebrating
No commentary needed.
There’s a gif in the comments here comparing his injury to Stephen Tulloch’s. It’s exactly the same celebratory dance. Maybe they need to ban this one?
http://deadspin.com/lamarr-houston-injures-self-celebrating-sack-while-gett-1651006345
must be some kind of 5 point palm exploding heart technique where you 1) sack QB, 2) do discount double check move and 3) jump up at same time as # 2, then you take one more step and your ACL tears.
what if Nate learned from game tapes? He did it last year. He’s done it this year. Going out on a limb here — he’s going to do it again…
I really have a hard time believing the eagles will make the playoffs this year.
and if they do, does it matter because from what we’ve seen they will lose in the first round by 4 points because of the same old story of not scoring in the redzone and a bad interception or fumble. both games against playoff teams end the same way.
Why do you assume this team won’t improve? Last year they improved throughout the season. So far this year they have improved – though they still have a ways to go. They have yet to be out of a game, unlike GB, SD, IND this week alone. No team goes 16-0. No team is without flaws.
That’s a good point and a fair bit of perspective. Thank you. I’m feeling emotionally exhausted from this loss. I dnt agree with the OP’s first statement but it is frustrating to lose to playoff teams. However they have all been away……
I still am blaming the fire alarm for the issues in SF…
Seriously though, I am incredibly frustrated after this loss. The fact that the defense was really in control of the second half except for those 2 plays is just torture. But it makes me remember in years past when the games were the other way around and the birds would win off of 1 or 2 big play. I remember how nerve wracking that would be, especially knowing that the next time the two teams faced those plays would not be there. At least that is what I keep telling myself over an over to calm the frustration.
You do know that even the two or three best teams each year go like 4-4 or 5-3 against playoff teams.
We better win the rest against teams about .500 then.
they haven’t been improving really, its the same every game except against the giants.
I think they will improve but our schedule is the reason I don’t think we make it, and if we can’t beat good teams we shouldn’t make it anyway I guess.
The run game has been steadily improving as the line has gotten healthy. Foles is hitting more big plays than he was earlier in the season, still making mistakes but not the same mistakes. Defense has been improving as well, though they are still making mistakes they are getting off the field on third downs far more consistently than earlier in the year when they couldn’t get a 3rd down stop to save a life. They have a long way to go and there are lapses, but there has been improvement.
Except, not. The Colts are likely a playoff team and the Eagles beat them. The Giants are potentially a playoff team and the Eagles spanked them. This is the definition of “small sample size”.
I want to know the game plan to stop A. Foster. So far, nobody has…
facing a running game seems much more doable unless he goes out for 75 yard passes.
The skins held him to 3.8 ypc, which isn’t anything special. He had 0.8 ypc against the Bills.
We held Ellington to 3.1 ypc last night.
Yep, I’m pretty much done making excuses and was really looking forward to beating a playoff team. We are what 1/3 in playing playoff teams?
Indy, W…
SF, few inches…
AZ, few inches and a missed challenge.
so 1-2 then
touche’ but im sure you see my point that they were not blown out in either loss.. maybe im just a glass half full type of Eagle …
When you have 3 interior lineup with zero experiwnce all playing next to each other, every win is a major feather in your hat no matter how ugly the win is… I don’t know too many teams that Can overcome, 3 lineman making their 1st starter all playing next to each other… When you are dealing with a situatipn like that, the friggin Redskins basically become a playoff team… No jason peters?
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Now when we get our line back. I agree, time to spank some quality teams. But have no fear, this schedule is tough and provide plenty of tough challenges to get us ready for a playoff run. If we make it to the playoffs with this schedule, having to overcome all the injury adversity we were faced with, quality of opposition won’t be an issue
You’re right, I’m just so emotionally drained from that loss. It was SO many ups and downs. My fragile emotional state couldn’t take it.
Go cure cancer and stop being depressed. Med students can totally cure cancer.
Its funny that people think you can just “cure cancer.” There are so many different ones in different places that they are not the same. Take for instance leukemia which is a white blood cell cancer, it is one of the easier cancers to “cure” because the cancer is in the blood which makes it very easy for drugs to get to. Also it typically divides extremely fast making the drug work even faster, i.e. the faster the cell divides the faster it gets killed. Contrast that with other cancers in the brain or kidney which is harder for drugs to work on making them harder to treat.
I’m aware. I just enjoy teasing you because your sleep deprived. I’m going to hell.
We went on the road, win or lost, we brought the Ruckus to the Colts, Niners and Cardinals, 3 teams who should all be in the hunt come crunch time. Win or lose, we Played them hard and were literally within inches of Beating all 3… I’d bet we grow and improve more than those 3 teams over the course of the second half of last years growth is any indication of the teachers and hardworking players we have grinding at Novacare everyday…
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It’s going to be an interesting second half of the season my friend and the NFC has NEVER been more WIDE OPEN! If we can be one of the healthiest teams in DECEMBER, WHY NOT US, we have Darren friggin Sproles.. That tiny IMP-Beast makes me so confident lol
If Mathis and Kelce were in, does Polk get in for a TD?
unclear but maybe play call is different.
Oh hell yeah!!! Chip def would have went for it if we had our hogs up front… We should have went unbalanced line, stuck JP on Lanes side, and stuck Celek on that side, lined up under center and feed Polk straight ahead!
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During the game, I wanted them to kick the FG, but regardless of how the game played out, I think I was wrong wanting the FG..
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Worst case they stops us and get the ball on the 1yard line. Our ST reputation is scary punt blocking Monsters which means they wouldn’t even have called plays to try and score, they would have called plays to try and get enough room to punt, and then stop us and go to overtime..so even if they stop us on 4th. We Prob force them to punt, and get the ball back tied, either win the game or go to overtime..
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This doesn’t even have to do with the fact that we gave up the TD and lost.. I just think this was the sound way to play things n that situation going forward.. I agreed with chips decision to kick yesterday, I wonder if Chip regrets it like I do
Well just for perspective, in post-game PC and again today, Chip cited last year’s game against Dallas (when both those guys were on the field) as the reason you don’t go for a QB sneak in short yardage situation – apparently that play is no longer in the playbook. So I don’t know that any of us can really say what Chip would do in a similar situation in the future.
Perhaps more important is what he thinks about RZ offense in general – it seems to me that what is working in the middle of the field is not working so well inside the 20.
watching chips press conference i like that he always tries to stay positive. when talking about nick, nate, defense in general. reminds me of rob ryan when talking about geno smith.
asked about the no call on the hit on mac that knocked peterson out… just replied, ‘Oh…. that was interesting’ you could tell he was pissed
That also had a bad spot. The refs were pretty consistent in giving poor spots and missing important calls. Hey they will call incidental hands to the face whenever possible, but 2 blatant horse collars and a targeted helmet to helmet – oh let the players play…
Whatever about missing the call but they actually threw the flag on coops horsecollar then picked it up again… Even Mike Periera said it shouldn’t have been picked up.. But I agree they were awful yesterday
Yep, the head ref who was 40 yards away yelled at the backjudge who was right there. It was terrible.
Chip gains nothing by telling the full truth. By supporting his players he can gain a lot.
There are ‘tells’ remember before Nnamdi was he released a reporter asked about Nnamdi and chip said something like “he has some skills to play football”
That’s really weird that the Saints DC is talking about Geno Smith.
What a game to analyze…so many plays to obsess over. Trying to narrow down my frustration at any one or two players is not working this week. I am coming down to blaming the coaches, i hate to think it but both Kelly and Davis were out coached.
With Kelly, the problem was the blitzes. On third and goal at the end, Peters missed his block. The only blocked missed was Peters. Check out Casey’s block for the ages, levels 94 who was over Peters at the line. Peters of course as the design of the play called for, left 94 and was to pick up the linebacker but was too late and the linebacker hit McCoy at the 3. McCoy did a great job pushing through with strength to get over the 1. Peters is not to blame, the linebacker got off straight into the A gap as ball was hiked. The problem then was the play call asking for Peters to move from left tackle to the A gap to catch a blitzing linebacker. How do we know the linebacker would be blitzing the gap? Doing it all game, it is the Cardinals, it is what they do.
Cant believe Kelly would say they tried a sneak last year that did not work so he would not try again.
I want to blame Foles on last play for running backwards 12 yards. But Cardinals were blitzing, they showed blitz, they likely were going to follow through with blitz. For receivers to get into end zone, Foles had to backpedal to give them time since it was a 7 man blitz. The only way that play would work given the blitz was the severe backpedal. So, that is a play call that puts Foles in an awful position. Maybe have McCoy run a route out of backfield to the ten and catch and make a cornerback miss. If a linebacker broke the blitz and covered McCoy then heave it into the end zone.
I also want to blame Nate Allen, of course. But we all know who he is at this point and what he does. We know he looks into the backfield too much. The Cardinals coaches knew this. The only way they would call for a bomb when needed five yards was because they were waiting for this play all week… get Allen looking at backfield or closer to line of scrimmage, and forget his responsibility as a “safety” and burn him — burn Allen, not Williams, we all know and Williams knows he does not have elite speed.
So why blame Davis? Davis should have guessed they would try to exploit Allen and should have reminded Allen to sit back no matter what. If he did tell him right before the series (not in the film room last week), then Allen is to blame.
I’m pretty sure the coverage was to stay behind everyone.
We need to clear up the last play…BOTH chip kelly and Nate said the last play was on Nate.
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Chip blamed only Nate for it, not Cary. Said: “Nate had a really good game, made two excellent plays, and one bad, very costly play at the end”. Direct quote: “Nate bit the cheese on that one”
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nate also admitted that it was on him. He said he was supposed to be in Quarter coverage, and his depth was off, needed to be further back…
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It was 3rd and 5, and he bit on a double move(fake dig route) trying to make the stop on 3rd, but instead the dig route was just a fake and they had the balls to go deep in that situation.
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I feel bad for the defense. They played some quality ball with the Exception of two “X Plays”.. In the second half they forced like 4 or 5 3 and outs in a row…. That front 7, didn’t get sacks, but they had a really sound showing..
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This week is another test. Our defense is good enough to shut the Texans offense down, but they have star power at skill positions Iike Hopkins, Andre, foster.. So while our defense should shut them down, gotta be careful and not let up the Homerun X plays that screwed us yesterday
1. FG was smart. 100% chance of three points and making cards go 60 yards for tie and 80 yards for TD. Whereas going for it on fourth is 30-50% chance of scoring and cards need 80 yards for TD.
2. Third and goal, still gotta trust your best player to get inches and not be predictable.
3. Foles is still 5-2. The huge change from last year is dramatic. Almost like the difference is attributed to bad oline(33%), no run game (33%) and then question marks (33% ??). Seems like teams have taken away his tendency to roll to his right. So he is not trusting molk and Tobin and therefore not stepping up, he backpedals throwing from back foot.
4. Nate Allen is bad but a middle of the league number 2 safety. Can’t replace him this year. Knowing the defense really well is crucial. Everyone calling for his release is being silly, he is not going anywhere.
5. Defense is legit but two bad plays can lose game. Palmer wasn’t sacked but he wasn’t comfortable.
6. Did beau Allen technically start this game? From what I’ve seen Logan generally outplays him.
7. Maclin had two terrible punt catches, looks like he misjudged ball and caught then on really dangerous short hops.
8. Not a good day for jmatt and Huff but he see their potential. Jmatt is going to win those jump balls in the future. That game ending throw is what Ertz and jmatt were drafted for. Huff has Sproles balance and toughness, quick burst without hesitation through traffic, could really see that last night.
8. 7 games into season and the offense still just looks “off” hard to think that the offense will ever be more consistent, and the red zone struggles are going to continue.
The wonderful media favorite pet DiccSean record BEFORE last year:
2012 2 TDs
2011 4 TDs
2010 6 TDs
2009 9 TDs
2008 2 TDs
Pleeease no more crap about the FORMER Eagle, Mr. Wonderful who contributed SO much. So much sulking, not so much blocking or “leaving it all on the field”.
Every loss from now on, “wouldn’t have lost with DeSean.” Mix repeat.
Sounds about right. I also notice that none of the complainers have one word of praise for Mr. Maclin. Guess whining is easy, admiring must be difficult.
maclin had a huge game. obviously. Foles threw for 400yds and 2TDs, that’s awesome too — it’s a shame that it came in a loss big those are big boy numbers. Mac’s responsible for half of the production i thought there’d be more diversity in the offense.
The ball is getting spread around, catches per player:
Maclin- 39
Cooper- 29
Matthews- 29
Ertz- 24
Shady-19
Sproles- 16
Celek- 12
Maehl, Casey, Huff, Smith, and Polk all have receptions.
the problem, i think with losing desean is that we don’t have a viable second receiver on the roster. doesn’t have to be him but it’d be nice if we had someone.
The NFL schedule makers were really nice to dem Cowboys.
First the Eagles need to travel to Dallas on a short week and for the rematch the Cowboys will have 10 days of the rest. We may be lucky to break the series. But don’t take a sweep for granted.
Go LolSkins n
The schedule makers are trying to fit 32 teams into 16 games each, while finding available dates in stadia AND making sure that the last few games are within the various divisions. I very seriously doubt that their computerized programs give a flying fig about the Cryboys OR the Eagles.
You are such a party pooper sometimes.
Great read on the exact science of how the schedule was made.
http://mmqb.si.com/2014/04/24/making-of-2014-nfl-schedule/
Cowboys are 7-5 on TG Day the past 12 years.
And 2-2 the past 4.
FWIW
maybe true but pretty sure I read an article in the past year showing the home games on Thanksgiving give an advantage, and arguing that hosting should be spread out among other teams.
Dallas is 29-16-1 in all TGD games.
Many of those years, Dallas was a very good team. Dominant even.
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Detroit, on the other hand, is 34-37 over the years.
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So make of those numbers what you will.
I’m not sure what they mean.
means turkey day is a must win game for the eagles.
Thanks for that info. Let’s hope they will be 7-6 and 4-5, respectively.
Seriously man, get over your fear of the Cowboys. What have they done over the last 20 years to make you so scared of them?
Lol, I’m not scared of them. I respect this year’s Cowboys though. Just trying to keep things in perspective unlike some Eagles fans still thinking it will be a cake walk to the NfCE crown.
Clearly it won’t be a cakewalk. It almost never is. But I think the Eagles match up just fine with the Cowboys.
To change the topic, I have a bone to pick with/about Chip. The Eagles have a problem when they need to get a yard or two for a first down or a score, this was a problem last year, and it’s still one this year!!
it’s nice to have a “smaller, athletic Oline for what chip likes to run the ball, but when you need 1 or 2 yards for a 1st down or a score,were not getting the job done. I thought Bryce Brown or Polk would be the backs to get us those tough yards, but Chip seems to go with shady most often and the o-line has struggled with “straight on” blocking and shady usually has to break it to the outside. I know with a limited roster you can’t stack mammoth run blockers, but i would like to see Chip go “outside the box” and maybe use an update of the old 1980 Bears with the use of William “refrigerator” Perry play that Mike Ditka often called.
We would have to work on this in practice, but how ’bout trying Bryan Braman who is 6″5″ and use to leaping over guys and with his stretch could surely get a yard or 2 more often then not….or Beau “the freezer” Allen, we’ve got to do something. The lack of “power running” in the red zone is, in my view is even more of a problem then Nick . Chip likes culture, well right now, our eagles aren’t looking too majestic when needing a yard.
I would have gone for the Touchdown (1YD) or at least a first down (6 ins.) and even if the refs screw it up, Palmer still has to go 991/2 yards and we might get a safety.
Yes, Both times at the goal line could have been called differently. Passing league or not, the running game still works. In fact, a running game is necessary.
Short, succinct, and totally correct.
You are spot on Bob. We lack a power running game, which sure comes in handy inside the red zone. Bubble screens appear useful between the 20s, not so much inside the 20. I think Chip will eventually have to prove that his offense and chosen personnel can be successful in the RZ; for now, concerns are justified.
the eagles are 0-2 when they have to score from the 1 yard line.
LMAO at the Earl Wolff shot, good stuff man…
Shout out to Nolan Carrol..kid made about 5 really nice plays and coaches also think he has really grown into that dime cb/quasi LB role and should be a nice piece of the defense going forward…sucks that he kept cramping up yesterday so he kept going in and out of the game..
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Malcolm Jenkins was balling yesterday, as was Meco Ryan. Both read the QB, knifed thru the line and torpedo Ellington for a loss of yards.. Both had some big plays in coverage too. When we get another quality Safety, combined with Jenkins it should really take our defense to the nexty level..
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I heard from a little birdie that their is a chance we decide to go the safety route with Jalen Watkins, but nothing is written in stone yet with him
whats up with wolff? I like him he looks super athletic, why can’t he get on the field?!!!
Don’t think we trust him. And I hope we didn’t label him with the Scarlett letter: “Will not play thru injury”
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He is behind in his development. Should be further ahead, but all isnt lost yet. If his football brain can ever catch up to his athleticism we will have a fantastic safety on our hands..But “IFs” aren’t guaranteed.
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He is still getting ST opportunities, so hopefully he can turn things around and contribute to the defense the second half of the year. It’s not even close to being too late for the young man, but he can’t fall That behind where he is supposed to be interms of his growth trajectory
“I need to study the Fitzgerald TD at length to see who was at fault.” Looked to me like Fletcher took an atrocious angle. Part of it was a perfect play call from AZ, but that should not have gone for more than 10 yards at most.
I’m throwing a friggin Party when that dude retires! I can’t wait to the first Eagles vs. Cardinals game after Larry retires. I can’t wait for that day!
we didn’t lose the game because of the refs, but I struggle trying to think of a game where for the entire 60 minutes, I felt more cheated by the refs than yesterday…. Can anyone think of a better example. All the first downs they got, being bailed out of bad situations from penalties..
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What’s really disgusting is if a ref crew is going to call such ticky tacky crap against us, then you have to blow the wistle and call those horse collar plays that were close. If we did anything close to a penalty, the flag came out, yet it felt like they got the benefit of the doubt so much when they committed those fringe penalties that can go either way.
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Everything felt so bush league. From the Embarressing commentary, the horrible production of the broadcast, the ref crew.
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Pig face arians has no right to ever cry to a ref again. I hate bruce arians SOOO sooo much. Him getting a win at us is the worst part. I don’t even mind being 5-2, it’s that we lost to him that eats at me.
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Take care of business next week against Fitzpatrick and we go 6-2 the first half of the season. I’d sell my soul to the devil if you guaranteed the Eagles a 6-2 start every year. I don’t care about other teams winning or losing, go 6-2 the second half of the season and we get to control our own destiny. I’ll gladly take a 12-4 finish no matter what playoff seeding we get… If the road to the Super Bowl doesn’t go thru having to win IN seattle. I’m not as concerned about homefield. Tho it would certainly be nice
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Besides beating Cowboys, I want NOTHNG more than running into Arizona in the post season for the right to end their season!!
Officiating crew seemed unprepared for such a high profile game – can’t imagine this crew working a playoff game, they should be relegated to the OAK vs JAC games. I was happy to see Chip getting vocal on the sideline with the officials – hopefully this crew grades out poorly and we don’t have them work another Eagles game.
I have stayed away from the blogs, so don’t know if people have commented on McCoy replacing Polk on 3rd down run at the 1. I remember seeing a camera shot of Shady on the sideline after Polk ran on 1st down and his expression read “that should be me in there”. Don’t know if Deuce felt he had to “handle” McCoy and insert him on 3rd down, but I’m curious if Chip would have preferred Polk in there with the play they called – maybe something they’ll need to address and adjust for the next time.
Poor Bill Davis, really called a great game. His entire head was red after Allen debacle. Hope he can turn it around, we don’t have much in the way of viable options. There’s just no words to describe how inexcusable his decision was on that play. Maybe his strip/fumble recovery earlier caused some hero-syndrome thinking on his part?
I actually think the Eagles would take care of the Cardinals pretty handily in a rematch, especially with staring O-line and Sproles in the lineup.
Today many talking heads are calling the cardinals the best team in the NFC. But I don’t get how anyone can watch that loss yesterday and think that we lost to the better team. I don’t fear that team at all, I hope we get matched up with them in the playoffs, home or the road. They won’t ever face our OL this weak, and they won’t ever get that many calls again.
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Really really hope to play them in playoffs and end their season! I need to see us rematch them
I didn’t realize how crummy the spot actually was on Polks goal line run until seeing the evidence today. Those officials were freaking terrible.
Week 8 and we just lost our 2nd game, overcoming serious injuries Not every team could overcome. last year we lost our 2nd game in week 3, more important than winning yesterday, we got out of the game without any serious injuries. In a league where injuries help snape entire seasons, moving into 2nd half of the season every game you get out of without a key injury is BIGTIME.
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Teams who today woke up weaker than they were when they woke up yesterday:
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Kelce and Mathis will have fresh legs for rest of season/playoffs.
In my best Omar Little voice…”INDEED!!!” Lol
I agree about the Cards, they couldn’t move the ball with any consistency and had 2 big plays off of terrible plays by our DBs. Our offense seemed to move up and down the field on them.
it’s true If we play them again I would much rather have lost the time before as opposed to have won.
That’s true also…
ATTENTION FANTASY GMs:
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Earlier this week I picked up tampa bay RB Charles Sims who is on IR designated to return. I figured with Doug Martin struggling, they would give the rookie a bunch of looks when he came back from injury… Sounds like the coaching staff has confirmed it, and he could be producing as soon as week 10 against the Falcons..
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Hoping he provides an extra boost for my playoff run.
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Heard Tampa may be also shopping the muscle hamster
Sims is a good all-around rb. Runs N-S, has a little wiggle, and can catch.
Yup yup..figure if his first game is week 10. By the time playoffs start around week 13, he could be rolling in some big games by then. Hoping he emerges as my secret weapon in the playoffs.. I’m being greedy since Maclin and Emmauel Sanders alone, literally beat my fantasy opponent ths week lol
Take it hard and don’t forget, we’ll be back on that field. Maybe two more times.
http://i.imgur.com/943QE9m.png?1
He needs a haircut
http://i.imgur.com/TCTWepq.png?1
I’m watching the video, froze this part before he gets knocked backwards and appears to end up short. Not only a first down but clearly a Touchdown
http://i.imgur.com/jKxfwKz.png
They need a tracker in the ball. They have them on the equipment already – the technology is there
I read an article about the issue of tracking the ball and, yup, you’re right. The league could do away with the guys holding the 1st down markers. If I remember correctly, the technology would apparently involve having laser devices posted around the perimeter of the stadium with a chip inside the ball. Something like that. There were also arguments against the change because some guys like the tradition of bringing out the chains to measure for a 1st down.
I’m wondering to both of you, does New York give them that with this video freeze?
This is on Chip btw, look how clear that is, if you watch the rest of the video, he gets pushed back immediately, but that wouldn’t matter.
The team replays are at the mercy of the stadium from what I remember. Away teams are often at a disadvantage and they don’t necessarily get the TV feed. Perhaps all potential scoring plays should me be reviewed instead of relying on the at being ruled a scoring play first?
Yeah, the away team is going to get the slowww replay.
The problem the Eagles had is that the feed the Eagles were given upstairs too look at replays was not the same feed as TV viewers got.
Yep, the visitors replay.
If the reason for not implementing a technology that will improve the quality of the game is “because of the tradition of measuring with chains”, whoever argues that should be fired. And sent to Siberia. The fact that we rely on people in their 60s and 70s to keep up with the athletes, and use their shit vision to make inexact measurements is already laughable.
They use this video replay, it goes to NY, and unless they think the ball is somehow below Polk’s chest up in his ass how could they not call it not only a first down, but a touchdown? This is a touchdown, we lost 7 points. We earned and Touchdown and didn’t take it. Yep, that’s how I look at it. Its pissing me off to no end.
A similar argument takes place in baseball. The ball could be electronically tracked through the strike zone; the home plate umpire would no longer call balls and strikes.
There would still be ambiguity with where a player is technically down as well but the accuracy of the spot would increase even with all those issues and the ones you mentioned. You can still have poeple holding the sticks for posterity and to visually show how much farther to the first down… But I will always argue for advancement over sticking to traditions verbatim.
If they took that to New York and froze that, you think they give it to him? The first down or the touchdown?
They have the technology in soccer. And the refs know in a couple of seconds whether a close ball was a goal or not.
send that picture to the nfl commissionor so the ref standing there can fired for sleeping on the job, or for blatantly favoring the home team.
Why no up tempo?
500 flags.
Especially on plays where Eagles made questionable catch… Hurry up and snap the ball!!
Not sure the skins have the run defense to expose the Cowboys weaknesses. I don’t know that the skins defense can force them to pass, and if they do, I’m not sure they have the horses to expose their weak pass blocking…
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But I they do have the pass catchers to run after the catch and expose weak dallas secondary…alfred Morris may be able to run behind trent Williams, but im not sure what shape the skins OL is in…
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Dallas shouldnt struggle with this team, but dallas is over rated, and hopefully the division game dynamic gives the skins a chance..
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As a Rabbid redskin fan tonight lol, why is this jackass starting Colt McCoy? I know Cousns was bad, but it’s Colt McCOY!!!
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Let’s go Redskins!!
So Chip said he wouldn’t run that QB sneak last year cause Dallas shoved it down their throats, so I guess he was talking Kelce there. Or even more weird, he will never run that play again because it failed last year.
i thought that too, but doesn’t elbow being down mean something?
But it couldn’t went down ahead of anything? You know what I mean? It would’ve had to slide.
You’re 2 for 2 with that post, BC
Showed the pic to Rueben Frank on twitter and got a yep from him. Some favs and retweets. Even from fake Nick Foles, which is awesome, Fake Foles or not, my life is now complete. haha
Steve young:'”tonight Dallas makes America believers and shows that they are for real”… Beating Colt McCoy is setting the bar a little low, don’t you think? Smh.
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Hope Washingtons garcon, Desean and Jordan Reed catch balls and run all over this weak secondary. Seeing alfred Morris control the clock would be awesome. dallas defense gives Up the same percentages, they just control the clock with the run game and keep their defense off the field…they are very beatable…if your QB isnt Colt McCoy!!
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Go skins!!! Lol
I wish Washington could bring out the Cousins that played us.
OMG Dallas winning plus Jon Gruden = TORTURE!!
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In the first minute of the broadcast, this blow hard is praising them for overcoming the loss of their “best CB, Morris Claiborne”… Give me a friggin break. Can you provide some oppinion that coincides with reality that happens on this friggin planet?
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Last week I heard about what a leader Rolando McClain was LOL… Let that comment simmer in your brain a little… Rolando McClain praised for leadership!!! Lol I can’t take it!!!!
I didn’t think I’d say it but YAY!
More yay! Expose these phonies.
Wooo hoooo
Between tweener TEs niles paul and jordan reed…who blocks for the skins?
Oh crap!!!!!!!!!!
Its going to happen
Yep, now Dallas is moving and there goes that illegal contact crap.
This is beautiful
figured there would be some happy people on here.
Aww the refs are still giving us a problem? lol ok no..whew
The refs are back in preseason form.
We could’ve used that play yesterday.
OMG OMG OMG OMG
Punch this in.
Yeah, need a shutout to win this game.
I’m a Rabbid Skins fan tonight baby!
I know cousins isnt the answer but he’s better then this idk what gruden is thinking
I would take him right now, really would. There’s no way with this guy, maybe Cousins could manage a game or something for a chance at this crap.
on the eagles?
I don’t understand!! How the hell can you put Colt on the field when you have another healthy arm?
he’s making a change for the sake of making a change, not a smart HC move at all
That’s the truth..what a dope
The power of Snyder compells him.
Hahahahah- it’s going to happen. Cowboys are having one of those days.
Is the game over yet?! Awesome.
No but they have 3 turnovers and its just the second quarter. Too bad Washington is inept so they have blown a few opportunities
The scoreboard says 3-0 and last time I checked a football game lasts 4 quarters, sometimes 5.
Edit: 7-3.
I wrote that after Dallas coughed it up on their own 20, I didn’t realize colt McCoy would be so utterly inept and give the ball right back.
It might have been after murry’s fumble actually. Regardless Dallas was killing themselves at that point
Americas team!! LOL hide your woman and kids the big bad Cowboys are coming,., what a joke, I can’t wait til this team is really exposed.
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Best OL in the NFL LOL.. I’m gonna make sure I ask Mathis and Kelce about that one,,
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Leopard can’t lose its spots.. Demarco Murray, in the end is going to be Demarco Murray, a very talented RB who will fumble, and won’t last 16 games!!!
D-SHAWN JACCSON!!!!!
Who?
The guy on the right.
Still love that picture. As long as DeSean keeps talking trash to the Boys, I don’t mind.
Some Gangsta…THUGLIFE!!!
He was ducking before the guy was even there
Wonder if a single significant player is moved before the trade deadline.. Doubt we make any trades…
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But if I just Commited all that money to jay Cutler, I’d consider trading brandon Marshall away.. Just do something different, try to jolt to that system.. Cutler and Marshall just isn’t working. Trade brandon, and they still have ppenty of weapons… Don’t think you can move Cutlef and I assume cutting him comes with monster cap hit…so move Brandon Marshall… It doesn’t work. It’s friggin Jay Cutkers 9th year,,, I expect FOles to be 10 times better than him when he has 8 seasons under His belt
Cutler and bmarsh are like pb&j. They are super close from Denver days.
I just turned off the TV when Gruden said: ‘how about them Cowboys’.
Good night guys.
Wasn’t sure but I guess it’s official, announcers can be cheerleaders
No serious person could think skins take this game. Djax had a big play that would have been a td if the ball was better that’s pretty much all I expect from their offense. I can understand not liking him bc it’s just too easy. When you’re trailing you just try to feed him with a big play instead of running an offense but he’s earning that $8m.
Dez BRyant is a free agent lol somehow I struggle envisioning Dez bryant with Chip kelly lol
Everytime the Cowboys execute in the red zone, I die a little inside….especially since Jason Garret is a buffoon.
As if Jason Garrett has anything to do with what’s happening out there anyhow.
He calls the plays, as far as I remember.
Does he? I thought they took that away from him.
Idk, mate. Maybe he just stands on the sideline. Lol
Yeah he doesn’t call plays he just manages timeouts.
He doesn’t. I really think the Cowboys are winning in spite of Garret rather than because of Jason Garret. I mean the man iced his own kicker….
Respect to every Eagles fan watching this MNG. This is pure torture and you must have some love for masochism.
watching DJax slow down to catch underthrown deep balls is amusing when it’s not for us
Ehh nothing impressive going on that’s making me burn inside.
Haha, Brandon Carr just punched Desean Jackson in the facemask after the play was over.
Drop Jackson. Plus he streaks down the field if the ball is thrown harder and higher
Hed have 2 tds if McCoy could throw
Walking my dogs probably when the other happened.
Nice. Nothing impressive happening here.
Dallas does not look all that impressive- didn’t last week either. If only Washington had a semi competent QB
If they had the Cousins that played us they’d be up
Wow, Berman had to do his halftime talk about the Steelers’ QB, wasn’t able to talk about Dallas I guess cause they are playing. Must’ve killed him.
Dez was is in for sure, just crossed the goal line. Like that other guy on our team. Rhymes with Folk.
Molk? When did he almost score?
Ha! I was thinking, who’s going to have a rhyme for that? And the most obvious pops out.
I remember as kids, my youth, there was such thing as a center sneak. Weird play but youth. Weird, we could’ve ran it every time but didn’t.
Edit: Sorry, not organized ball.
Either illegal or impractical in the NFL. Ball must be hiked to the QB, and a forward handoff is only legal if the player (center in this case) turns around to face his own goal line. Not a good recipe for gaining yards.
Yes, of course lol
We’re still playing football and it’s the second half. Hey, I’ll take it.
Dallas defense, struggling against Colt.
Holding KILLER
TD to FG to a big for 0?
Ok happy happy joy joy
Why the eff did they switch to Colt Mccoy anyhow. Did they really think he was better than Cousins?
Gruden is a reactionary coach. Just dumb change for sake of change is what fans call for coaches should be above that
I remember one time I was in an Eagles gameday thread just posting and posting by myself. Thought, hmmm no one cares. Didn’t realize the real thread had started. Oh, that was yesterday, funny memories.
Need to be careful, Tommy is a ninja with posting those new threads ;).
True that.
Another Td missed by a bad throw
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw????
More tears of joy after this game would be great news.
omg showing jerry isnt enough we gotta hear him now. This is pure torture
Football genius. Well rhymes with genius.
Jumped almost through the ceiling on that play.
same
And then a beautiful play.
Romo hurt? ouch
Uh oh spaghetti O
hes tough he’ll be back
Yeah but that back, and last year. Could linger for a few games.
shit looks really serious
im lolling
Get up. I want to beat you at full strength.
Not like we have been full strength. He’ll be there by the time we roll around. Probably miss one play. But that back, that back.
Hit didn’t look that bad, could be his bad back.
Saw this coming.
That back, that back.
Jerry was going to cry? Wonder if he would do that for me? Or is it a football thing?
id cry if i saw $50m go down the drain
If that’s the same as last year, not good.
As much as I hate the Cowboys, don’t like seeing Romo get hurt
Damn, the backup always gives the pickup the team needs.
Wayyyy down
Block in the back not called
Stupid, you know what they’re going to do
Barf, seriously? The first play without Romo and you give up a 60 yard run?
murray 8 straight 100yd games — crazy.
Dez shut down! Twice!
by a rookie 4th rounder. Where are you Watkins?!
The draft is like a box of chocolates. Sorry, had to do that.
About to learn safety to relieve Nate of his duties?
Collecting Social Security?
Man, Breland looks like a player.
not for us he’s under 6 feet….
too bad boykin doesn’t have a 40″ vertical. oh wait….
actually after #22 played yesterday he can stay in the slot.
Maybe you have to figure out a different way to get sacked if you know it’s coming and you have a history of a bad back.
Looked like he got caught in indecision between trying to spin out of it and just going down.
Yeah I was joking, that’s a quick decision to make.
Of course i started Tony Romo in fantasy. Also Backups on Backups skins could pull it out.
Beautiful, expose this defense, because should have so much more.
fucking desean jackson.
They were gonna hit sooner or later.
it’s there all day. could have used some of that last night in the 4th quarter.
Cowboys DBs are what we thought they were
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
can’t over throw djax
I don’t want him seriously hurt, but I can’t cry for another team’s injury, because…well……hmmm…
DeSean could have some kind of crazy day today.
Maclin is going to roast this team.
Can you imagine? And we need the TE’s to get in this game! Ours I mean, all of them.
djax + maclin. what would they do? plus mccoy running.
oh man scary
How about Maclin + Ertz with McCoy + Sproles?
they have to actually target ertz for him to be effective. i notice you just left the other WRs out of that equation.
Nah, didn’t want to ruin the happiness I get watching Dallas lose by arguing over how cooper will be fine and the rookies are showing promise
All part of chip’s master plan
Genius. Could never play chess with him
Get this in there.
gtfoh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can’t believe they ran that. shows how to be effective in the RZ.
Even my g/f screamed with me and she has no clue!!!!!!!!!!!
Please please please
Cowboys are messin up lol.
A lil bit, a lil bit.
GIve them great kickoff…well touchbacks all game anyways. But still…happiness
What a play call, for a qb playing the defense in front of him. He wasn’t going to find anyone with all those guys back. That was beautiful.
Here comes Jerry to perform surgery on Romo.
Let the yearly meltdown commence. Please let this be the start
Oh yea
Lol “throw some whiskey on it son”
Here we go baby, a heavy does of defense.
Yea no 60 yarder, way to be ready for the obvious.
Hold just pulled that jersey
you gotta give it to jerry he’s the biggest cowboy fan there is.
Man look all those o lineman down there early.
Thinking about them having to go score again is not a good thought.
Loving this QB run
Uhhh this drive baby.
defense is getting exposed by a 3rd string qb
Jacksonnnnnnnnnn Get the damn first down!!!!!!!!
that’s the “see why he’s not here anymore” jackson.
Run forward, do a juke, push your way past the marker! JEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZ
Mother of god inches
Stretch it.
So another 4th and 1 to decide how the division can look. Heart pounds.
Bring Romo for the inevitable int.
he better watch his back
Nice.
OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
Dallas Defense
Oh man, I’m dry.
Jon Gruden thinks every playcall is Spider 2 Y banana.
Shit a first down starts burning clock here. Pleaseeeeeeeee
delay of game — unbelievable.
yep
and then a huge sack to take them out of field goal range. unbelievable
they only need one more first down to ice it.
That would be nasty. f-ing idiots…f-ing jerks
wow
Crap man
You can’t trust the Redskins to do anything right.
Don’t do this, please, something has to happen here. Short something there would’ve got them three.
FG is too far, Dallas gets in range, it’s over…but then, Dallas doesn’t have to drive far no matter what.
Big time
Classic int time
Could you imagine a safety to end the game
The way this thing has been going. Even a hold. Nothing big please, keep them deep. No timeouts so Dallas will run time if they feel they get a 1st.
if romo comes back and leads a winning drive, goodbye TV and radio for me
Compared hi to John Wayne, I threw up.
epic comeback by romo here… vomit-inducing sports radio all week.
Int Int Int Int Classic Romo
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CLASSIC CLASSIC CLASSIC
What crap luck
I hate this game, I really do
Review what? A Redskins recovery
you can’t even write this stuff
Goddamnit Kerrigan.
how does he not keep that ball??? god im so glad im not a redskins fan
This is as bad though.
Now a stop and get the ball back. But who thinks the crap play already happened? Crapppppppppp
Hate this sooooo bad. They still have 3rd and 8.
how the fuck isnt that a hold?????
are you kidding me
HOLD! THERE WAS A HOLD I NTHE ENDZONE! WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!!
Saw the hold also…crazy that’s two points they were too coward to call.
Crazy, just crazy. Hooked him clear as day. If I ever stop watching football it will be because I get tired of garbage officiating.
Geez
the redskins will blow this hard.
That throw is ready for int to go back, it really is.
all that bad luck over the years has turned into good luck for dalla s..regression to the mean i guess
thank goodness, that was obvious IG
YESSSSSSSSSSSSS what a blitz barrage that was. Amazing
We need something amazing to avoid OT
Game should have been over already, ridiculous noncall on the hold in the endzone. Couldn’t have been more clear.
No DJ returning punts?
gruden doesn’t like thinking during games
our guys would have known to fair catch in that situation.
One big play in the middle and a timeout
should have let djax try to win that game.
A walk off punt return touchdown? That never happens.
With Romo gimpy this could really be a good thing the way the Skins were running their blitzes.
worst coin flip ever.
We need a td or they get the ball and can get something as easy as a fg anywhere close.
“we”? this is still the redskins, friend.
Sorry, we need them to get a TD
Also, it could mean as Eagles fan. I guess.
true
We, as Eagles fans, are okay with this ending in a tie.
Sometimes I wonder. It’s easier to hold and get the ball back and get in FG range?
bailey is a beast.
Let’s drive this, finish it.
“Let’s” as Eagles fans? 😉
Absolutely.I’m thinking in division terms. We are Eagles fans rooting for Dallas to lose.
Nice start. I forgot we could FG and make them get a FG and end the game if they dont score.
3rd and short please here.
dangerous throw
LOVING IT!!!!
WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Crazy throw and catch.
dont f up please
facemask!!
TD please please please
Has McCoy looked at the intended receiver for less than 5 seconds before throwing it to them yet?
shh dont tell the cowboys
i love the no replays of these blatant penalties
Another short and 3rd Pleaseeeeeeee
WIn here
Damn….damn
to be honest FG is more then what i expected on first drive
True dude, one turnover…they win.
Interception and happiness all over the place.
Romo gimpy, keep blitzing? Risk big play though.
Here we go, stop them. 4 downs or turnover.
Wow nice play. 409 to McCoy and the Skins offense. Something’s wrong there.
Here we go!
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
OH GODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
why play so off?
Still a fg don’t lose it. Risky here.
damn witten
I thought only QB can take timeout on field
Here we go!!!!!!!!!!
yessssssssssssssss
WOOOO HOOOOO
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
99% right! You called it earlier (not the 99% but the Cowboys loss)
that was almost some houdini romo shit
That’s what I was waiting for dude
Haha, Romo freaked out for no reason there lol.
Who told me about the 99 percent chance of lose when I guaranteed victory?
you right, you right.
Romo could’ve took a lane to run
Breeland is who i wanted instead of watkins
but if we got breland we would have missed out on huff 🙂
insult to injury.
5’11 and runs a 4.62 let’s not crown him yet.
breland game of the year. nice draft there
OMG OMG OMG OMG
Romo was not under pressure there, he just happy footed it around the pocket for a while. lol.
Dallas fans were laughing at us yesterday. How did the skins do it?
cousins and rgiii might not see the field again this year.
Well not including the bye week, we’re even. Plus there’s a division loss for them.
This takes the sting off yesterday’s loss
lol at the media fight after
yeah i don’t know what that was about. “No means no!”