Rough Day
Posted: December 7th, 2014 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 270 Comments »Seattle looked like a playoff team. The Eagles did at times, but the offense was never able to get going. They might have scored 14 points, but only gained 139 yards and were controlled by the Seahawks all game long.
This game has me ticked off because I hate Seattle and desperately wanted to beat them. At the same time, this wasn’t like Green Bay. The Eagles weren’t run off the field. The defense did everything they could to keep the game close despite being on the field all game long. STs made some plays that helped both TD drives. This loss was on the offense.
The officiating didn’t help matters. I generally believe those things even out over the course of a season, but you hate when one team clearly benefits in a big game. Seattle definitely got the better of the officiating today. That isn’t to say those calls decided the game. They were the better team and deserved to win.
This is a good Eagles team, but they are clearly a step behind teams like Green Bay and Seattle. That doesn’t mean the Eagles couldn’t beat them in the playoffs, but a lot would have to go right for that to happen.
Next Sunday’s game vs Dallas now sets up as the key to the season.
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Pad Your Tackle Totals Night
http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=400554430
you’re not kidding. look at some of those totals.
The Foles bus is warming up in the parking lot. The Sanchez bandwagon has broken an axle and spilled most of its passengers, I expect.
Definitely wasn’t all his fault. We had hardly any push up front… That int from The Sanchize was turdible but Foles has made those throws this year too.
We can excuse Sanchez’s performance, to a point. It should be pretty clear however that the guy isn’t anything more than a decent backup quarterback from the point of view of a contending team.
agree .. no fire in his eyes no killer instinct to take them on his shoulders .. my bud a USC Cali dude told me so when he played w the jets
Clearly some fans are so fed up with Foles struggles earlier this year that they’re willing to overlook Sanchez doing the same or worse. Neither QB has been great this season.
I wouldnt blame Sanchez, but its clear that he doesnt have the creativity to make a difference once a team like Seatle takes away our weapons.
I agree to a point. My stance us that Foles has shown he can make all of the throws. Every one. I do not think Sanchez can make the down field throws we need to open the play book. Just my opinion, but down 14th with foles seems like we could come back. With Sanchez it feels insurmountable.
He is too emotional. If it’s not going well he folds. This is one place where Nick is better. NOTHING bothers him.
Eh, he was very shaky this year. There were plays where he backpedaled 15 yards without any pressure. He was clearly rattled.
Rattled yes. I meant more from an emotional standpoint. Like the game is never out of reach.
I do somewhat agree here Sanchez looked as if he packed it in in the second quarter. Where was all the fire from the Dallas game? Or does he only show fire when the conditions are perfect?
I mean say what you want but I think Foles would have had a better showing today. Like in the Washington game he just seems to be able to take a beating and then get up for the next drive. I’m not necessarily high on him. I just have more confidence he’s able to play poorly and still be able to have a good quarter or half or whatever. It seems like all or nothing for sanchez.
you are COMPLETELY ACCURATE !!! jets broke him. my bud is a high school coach/from cali and HUGE USC fan ..this was his huge complaint when he played for jets
Yeah, Sanchez hasn’t been great, but you’d have to have blinders on to think Foles would’ve been a sure thing in this game.
Don’t think anyone is suggesting that. I just think that Foles would have given them a better chance to win. Between his even keel and willingness to throw the ball down the field, the Eagles might have kept Seattle from sitting on all those shallow crosses they kept trying to run.
You forget the San Fran game?
I remember Nick just missing a pass at the end of that game to win it.
And forgot all the other drives where they couldn’t score any points?
Heh, I was just upvoted you for noting Nick playing well down the stretch vs Arizona and SF. I still place a ton of the blame for those early games on the piecemeal OL. Won’t deny that Foles was a part of the problem as well though.
Yeah, those final drives were good. It was a shame he was so uneven when it could’ve made a difference.
I remember not scoring any offensive points being gifted what…21 by the defense and special teams.
I was at the SF game, and a lot peeps seem to forget that the game would have still been a contest even if the Eagles had scored a TD, the score would have been 27-26 with the Eagles having to go for 2 to make it a 3 point game with plenty of time for SF to get in position to kick a FG to tie.
I remember Coop missing that pass.
or the Washington game?
This game reminded me a lot of the San Fran game, offense couldn’t do much and was awful on 3rd down. I don’t think Foles would’ve done much better against Seattle, Foles is less mobile and does not move well in the pocket (this year) the Hawks pass rush probably would have gotten to Foles more.
No, you are correct. I can not say for certain Nick would have done any better. I don’t think he would have looked as defeated as Sanchez though.
I will say, Foles did do better in his final drives against San Francisco and Arizona (even though he came up short). I have hope if he comes back he’ll be more confident and competent, like when he came back from injury last year…
Foles didn’t come up short in Arizona, Pooper did.
Would have been 30-3 with Nick back there.
400yds 3TD 0 TOs like every other game this year. Oh wait.
Lol, Like Sanchize is ANY better than Foles at this point. At least Nick has room to grow.
Nobody’s saying the Foles of this season solves all our problems but his ceiling is clearly higher than Sanchez’s. The best Sanchez can give you is “workmanlike, manages the game, doesn’t turn the ball over” – a poor man’s Alex Smith, basically. Foles is inconsistent but on his best day is a lot better than that.
Can’t believe you just compared Mark ‘chuck it up for grabs twice a game’ Sanchez to Alex ‘checkdown’ Smith.
I said “the best he can give you”. That’s basically how he played on Thanksgiving.
In a game where he has to chuck the ball up and take chances for you to win, like this one or Green Bay, you’re in trouble with him. Foles has proven he can win those kinds of games.
Please don’t pretend like Sanchez is ANY better than Foles right now…..
Nah pick foles is not my qb
Great, who is then?
Your answers are restricted to guys actually on the roster. Meaning it’s either Sanchez or Matt Barkley.
I rarely complain about officials as well but how many intentional grounding calls weren’t made tonight against Wilson? That PI against Bradley…… come on, that was a good play and a penalty was not needed. We had a lot of mistakes today and feel like we stopped ourselves from winning.
the flag was needed.. on seahawks!! he bear hugged brad as he was going for the ball!!
I wouldn’t be so ticked about the PI calls against Philly if they’d called them against Seattle too. There were at least four plays where the Seattle defender was there early and no call was made. Biased refs are the worst.
The Seahawks defenders get those calls against every team. It’s very frustrating to watch them because they seem to be playing the “we can hold every play and they won’t call all of them” game, and getting away with it.
tru!!
Yes, totally agree.
Someone tweeted this stat. Maybe just coincidence but when this particular officiating crew is reffing the game Chip Kelly is 1-4 and Seattle is 5-1. Food for thought.
Even if we lose to Dallas, which I don’t expect, we’d still be in the driver’s seat for the NFC East title, as we’d only have to beat playing-out-the-string Giants and Redskins teams to clinch it because of their previous loss to Washington, while they have a tough game against Indianapolis. The #3 seed and a playoff home game against Detroit or Dallas are what I expect.
That would be a successful season, especially considering how much harder the injury bug bit this year than last. However, the ultimate goal is to take that next step and be on the level of Green Bay and Seattle – that last bit is going to be the tough part.
If we lose to Dallas, they would be a game ahead, so we would would need them to lose again (likely to Indy) and we would need to win out to win the division.
You’re right, of course. Somehow I blanked on the fact that they actually have the same 9-4 record we do now.
See my post ⬆️⬆️⬆️
so many intentional grounding calls that werent called…. it was a sham of a game by the refs… and that sea player that flopped should be fined…. they need to do sumpin about floppers, esp when its clear they flopped. IMO
LOL, the REF pushed him!!!! It wasn’t even Allen! lol.
Well to be fair I’m pretty sure the Ref was laughing at him as he flopped.
unsportmanslike
The Seahawks are one of the main reasons why we have big physical receivers (and jettisoned Jackson) as we need them to get off at the LOS.
An excellent scheme with average-above average players will beat teams like the Cowboys and Titans but you need excellent players to compete with the likes of GB and Seattle week to week.
The team is clearly missing a few more pieces to challenge for a SB and I think we knew that coming into the season. In saying that, the referees were very poor today
Agree, especially considering many people thought we would only win 10 games this year, we are in excellent position for a “rebuilding” team.
Jackson went 110 and a TD against SEA.
Still with this?
agreed.. wish we had desean Jackson sitting on the sidelines as an 8 million dollar option istead of say jeff maehl for one ..
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ok since I broke the silence and went there …. I LOVE seeing Josh Huff IN FRONT OF THE Punt Catch EVERY SINGLE TIME!!! way to GO( but can he hold onto a football to save his life ??)
God I was yelling at the screen when he was all angry on the side-line. I was like Josh I love you man but shut up and hold onto the ball. Please!
Tommy,
I disagree with you.
You might already want to start with the non-call clear PI against Ertz on the first drive. That was a tone setter…
The extremely biased/bad officiating kept two scoring drives alive for Seattle that ended in TD’s. We lost by less than that… You know, the ineligible downfield, and IIRC there was a 1st down conversion on 3rd down where a blatant false start was missed; same on the completion for 1st down in front of Jenkins.. Likewise right after the somewhat dodgy long PI against Fletcher, they missed a blatant double hold against Logan (C and RG are grabbing him).
Yes, Seattle was the better team, and if we had won, we would have stolen one. But to say that the officiating was not decisive… sure looks like it when looking at how the score ended up…
Sure, the offense was atrocious. Yes, Jenkins dropped a likely pick-6.
But in a game like this, with two defenses dominating the respective offences, atrocious officiating like today can and on this occasion quite possible DOES decide games…
random – i think every website should have the disqus comment system, and thank you tommy for using it!!! – just felt like saying that.. some websites u never get your comment replies.
Like I said a couple of days ago. The winner of this game is going to be the no 2 seed. Since we can forget about a first round bye, the Eagles season will be on the line next Sunday. Should they somehow manage to lose to Dallas, Philly will NOT control their own destiny anymore.
It’s really strange to say that about a team that was going into today’s game at 9-3 and with a 90% chance of making the playoffs. This percentage will drop significantly with a loss next Sunday.
Don’t get me wrong: I still believe we are the superior team compared to the Cowboys, but winning the NFCE is not a gimmie as some Eagles fans may think on here.
We. Want. Dallas.
I am not too worried. As big of a gap as there was between us and Green Bay/Seattle, Dallas looked just as outclassed against us. That is not a 12-4 team – they will lose at least one of their remaining games, maybe two (I think it’s better than 50-50 they lose to Indy, and @ Washington has historically been a tough game for them to win as well no matter how bad the Redskins are).
Momentum is on their side this time though.
ha ha ha ha ha ha. We’ll stomp a mud hole in the “momentum” Dallas got from Chicago.
They win one game against a crappy Bears team and all of a sudden they have “momentum”? Please.
Yeah I have no doubt we come out and just demolish Dallas. I think our team is going to be fired up especially after losing such an emotional game at home. Dallas is going to be our punching bag next week.
We are a QB that makes plays, and one more defensive guy that makes plays away.
Meanwhile, Seattle is probably merely one Dez Bryant from terrorizing us all next year.
Lord help the NFL if they get a quality WR in there. SMH.
Makes it even more pathetic that Baldwin was running around free practically all game.
smh… jenkins got burned a few times… pissed me off
Yeah he had a really rough day. Sometimes had good coverage but his guys still made plays on him. Burned a few others. And that awful drop. Ugh.
Lord help the NFL if we finally replace Nate Allen and Bradley Fletcher.
And Carry “sure please run past the first down marker before I push you out of bounds because I avoid contact” Williams.
Sammy Baugh – led league in passing and interceptions.. can’t recall what year..
Seattle ain’t getting Dez Bryant or anyone like him. Russell Wilson is about to get paid, which means the days of them having 15% more cap space to spend on the rest of their roster than the competition are over. Employing a criminally underpaid franchise QB is the biggest advantage a team can have in the modern NFL and Seattle is about to lose it.
that run by lynch early inthe game for 21 yards when it was 3rd and 15 really pissed me off… smh
Sucky Nate Allen ran away from trying to fly to the ball and stop Lynch short of the marker.
every run by marsahwn lynch that got stuffed still ‘seemed to get’ 3-5 … every time Shady ‘seemed’ to make a nice fake and nice run for 5 .. nope it was only for 1 and every now and then maybe 3
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coach went easy on him on the sidelines … somethings going on in his head
seems like everytime they rushed just 3 russel just ate them up.. i give wilson credit he is a beast at creating time, and knowing when to run it
yes he tooled on our beloved trent cole in the 1st half …was very very psyched to see trant make the adjustment and make some real nice plays!! smart dude..thank you trent (but how many offiseds calls have you cost us on key 3rd downs?? damn man tough to watch)
also i thought they should of let sanchez keep it at least once, every fake he had a ton of running room
He should have run it instead of chucking it up for grabs twice that I remember. The Cooper int was one and there was another one.
I tried to warn some of y’all about the loss awaiting us today. No matter, we’re just not as good as Seattle.
We’re going to WHIP some Cowboy backside next week however.
I can smell 12-4.
Congrats on your correct prediction! Now, don’t break your arm patting yourself on the back.
Ha ha ha ha ha, I’m only going to mention this one more time; when I get to chat with GEAGLE on here next.
Your just going to piss him off and he’s going to say something he shouldn’t. Not worth it.
Nah, he and I are good. I can break his stones without him going nuclear. We’re both out of control homers, I just happened to not see this game as a win while he did.
Noticed that GEAGLE was conspicuous by his absence.
They might let him out of the padded room this late on a Sunday night.
He’s 100% my boy on here, but he was way too optimistic on this game.
I was hopeful, but had this game as a coin flip. I think I had it pretty close, but was surprised by how inept our offense was.
I was more miffed at how bad we were on pass D on long throws.
That’s been true all year. Can’t say that it surprises me at anymore.
It bothered me due to the quality of guy catching passes for Seattle.
Picked on Fletcher and Jenkins. Jenkins was matched up against Baldwin and just doesn’t have the gears. Fletcher is a big play waiting to happen for the other team. Frustrating, but not surprising.
All games. LOL.
But it’ll be justified for wins over Dallas, Washington, and the Giants. It’ll also be justified for our wild card win.
It will not be justified when he tries to argue us into a revenge win in Seattle during divisional weekend.
Media Mike over GEAGLE by a bunch of points. Go easy on him, though, he’s definitely one of us.
Like I said earlier: at least an ex Eagle just became America’s next top model. How beautiful are we???
This wasn’t a good time to look that vulnerable this late in the season. How long have we been saying that our secondary sucks and we needed to hit on those draft picks for them?
But we all knew this. We’ll still be 12-4, win a wild care game, and lose at Seattle in the division round.
That secondary doe……. WOOF!!!!!
d got plenty of stops. o could not hold up their own.
We need to get some draft picks in the secondary higher than the fourth.
You mean earl Wolf’s not the answer? Shoot.
Isn’t Earl Wolff working on his residency at the Novacare Complex? Usually people who spend that much time working with doctors actually become doctors.
It’s a little sad to see so many people here harping on the officiating. If you’ve ever gone to another team’s blog after the Eagles beat them, that’s exactly what you’ll see.
This team did plenty on their own to lose. The officials did not cost us this game.
The refs sucked, but their sucky officiating didn’t cost us the game.
Yeh we definitely lost the game ourselves, but you would be a bit ignorant if you didn’t see blatant calls missed, especially early.
Those always go both ways. Still, based on the other teams’ blogs, we benefit quite a bit from missed calls ourselves.
I didn’t think so early. It seemed to even out in the second half. I will never say the refs lost us a game though.
Bad calls are part of the game. Biased calls are a problem. Seattle got called for I believe one PI call and Ertz had to beg for it. Flag still came really late on that play. Philly got called for crucial holding and PI calls early in the game that extended Seattle’s drives. Biased refs piss me off worse than incompetent ones by a long shot.
This is exactly what you’ll see on every other team’s blogs when we win.
With the exception of the Indy game, they don’t have a leg to stand on. Even that game, we had one crucial call non-call go our way. Wasn’t like they tilted the field our direction.
Exactly. Officiating was garbage, but the Eagles wouldn’t have won even if it had been perfect. Seattle just stomped us.
Didn’t see a stomping. We got beat and soundly. Wasn’t nearly as one sided as the GB game though.
No, not the same kind of thing as GB but they put a vise grip on & suffocated us.
I don’t remember nearly the same amount of good plays on defense in the GB game. GB could have started 1st and 40 and the Eagles had no chance of stopping them. This game, we forced a bunch of third and longs. So many third and longs were forced that it became comical. Read the comment thread and count how many 3rd and long comments there were.
The problem this game was an offense that couldn’t convert on third down combined with Seattle doing a great job of eliminating our big plays. Almost every game this year, we’ve gotten a handful of +20 plays. I don’t remember one this game and we just aren’t built to win in a slug fest.
Ahum….
Two TD scoring drives were extended/made possible by the refs, rather than force Seattle to punt… we lost by less than 14 points… Might Seattle have been able to still win it? Sure…
But for most of the game the Seattle offense was not able to do much either…
If you want an example of a game – similar to this one – where the Eagles did not win, while the officials were pretty good? See San Francisco.
This is the first time where I’ve felt that almost every crucial call went against the Eagles. After about the 6th or 7th no PI call, Peters gets flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct for complaining about the no call. Again, I’m not saying that Seattle had nothing to do with it or that they wouldn’t have won regardless. I’m just hot that the refs were so clearly biased.
Its so ironic that Peters gets flagged and not Sherman…. He is so annoying out there.
I get your point and even agree to an extent. I tend to yell at the officials for uneven calls even when we win though. Officials didn’t cost us the game, but they made it an even steeper uphill climb.
People weren’t pissed at the officiating after the Green Bay game, San Francisco game (aside from the obvious jacked up spot near the end on Chris Polk’s run, that was garbage), the Cardinals game… There’s always a little grumbling by every team after a loss.
This, however, was very clearly one where the Hawks got away with quite a bit, and that is doubly frustrating because their whole gameplan is to foul as much as they can get away with. You’ll recall they are the whole reason the NFL was focusing so much on illegal contact this year, because they specialized in mugging receivers, with the (correct) belief that the advantage it gave them outweighed any penalties they received because they knew the refs wouldn’t flag them all the time.
I would have said well, we just weren’t taking advantage of the lax game the officials were calling, but then they PI’d Bradley Fletcher on what looked like one that could have gone either way for a backbreaking 44 yard penalty.
So for the very team that the rules emphasis was put in place for gets away with all the shit the new emphasis was supposed to stop, it’s pretty frustrating.
I knew it was gonna be a long day with the officials when the first 2 plays of the game were illegal contact on Sherman (mugging the shit out of Maclin past the 5) and pass interference on some random LB hitting I believe Cooper or Ertz early.
Very well said.
But we can’t bitch about it because everyone else bitches about it so any arguments here are obviously wrong because other people bitch about it after their games!!
That’s a silly argument. So something isn’t worth discussing ( regardless of it’s validity) simply because it’s something that gets bitched about often?
It’s kind of like when someone goes to prison and says “I’m innocent” you just ignore their please because everyone says that. Then you know sometimes it does turn out the person was innocent. Not often, but it happens.
The offense was awful today, just awful. Good special teams and pretty good defense considering they were on the field 2/3 the game.
Refball was in full effect. Seattles first touchdown was completely gifted due to a huge miscall on the downfield linemen. Not to mention the multiple bogus PI calls, and of course they don’t call them on Seattle when they are blatantly grabbing down the field.
The whole game left a shitty feeling in my stomach, mostly because of the poor offensive performance, also because of the embarrassing 3rd & Long conversions, and just how horrible the game was to watch. Especially the officiating.
I think the worst part about Sanchez is his inability to get his head in the game when things aren’t going well for him. That is a terrible trait for a qb.
So McCoy now has 3 fumbles in the last 2 games (luckily his knee was barely down for one last game, so technically didn’t count). I am losing faith a little faith in him.
He’s always scared the @!#$ outta me how loose he carries the ball. Amazing he doesn’t have more fumbles for his career.
Really? I mean he beasted the last 2 games. This one wan on the line as much as him. That fumble on the 20 Killed us though.
did he beast, or is the OL healthy? he wasn’t beasting when the OL wasn’t healthy, so it makes me think the OL is more important. Now he is great in space, but against some defenses there isn’t space, it’s more like bust through the whole and carry someone with you. Watching DeMarco and Lynch back to back, I just get a little frustrated with McCoy.
I’m just mad. I may not be totally reasonable right now.
That’s totally understandable. The line was healthy tonight and nothing really happened. I do wonder what the offense would look like with a bit more of a pounder than more of an elusive back. Perhaps more of a Polk type and have more of a McCoy type as a backup?
right nothing happened. And our OL is really freakin good. So what happened? Their D is so good that it shuts down both our pass and our run? That seems hard to believe.
I guess we will see what happens. yeh?
http://eaglescap.com/Players/LeSeanMcCoy.html
McCoy’s contract makes him easy to move on from after 2015 if he’d like to keep helping us thrown games away by fumbling.
Tommy we got dominated in a different manner than the GB game….but the resulting analysis is still the same…we still struggle against the better teams….based upon recent play both Seattle and GB are as close as we are getting to elite for this year at least….we really needed our pass D to play better….it has been our Achilles heel against the better teams…. Really annoyed by this performance….while I think we still make the playoffs….we are probably on and done….
I think 2 and done. A bit better than last year.
I agree. Win wild card round, lose division round game in Seattle.
We’re heading for another GB mudhole stomping.
That would mean we’re in the NFC title game then. Green Bay is going 13-3 and getting home field.
Sorry, you’re correct. For some reason I was thinking our 2nd week would be in GB.
Pass D STINKS.
UGH, its just so bad. We make shitty WR look good, all the damn time.
5.2 yards per play wasn’t bad. 85 plays and almost 50% conversion on 3rd down? That’s a problem.
Good point. I was joking with my wife, “Hey look, a 3rd and 15, you think we stop them?”
I’m starting to think it might be better to be the #1 Wild Card and play the winner of the NFC South on the road… bummer of a loss today
so maybe AZ can beat Seattle? Then Seattle ends up going to GB and winning the playoffs, then we play Seattle again at home in the NFC championship?
If that happened, we might get Seattle here as the #6 seed.
No thanks.
well if you have to beat them, why not here in the first game rather than there in the 2nd game?
anyway, who knows.
Because I want the pleasure of running up the score on Arizona or Detroit on wild card weekend.
do that in AZ 2nd week.
How many defensive backs would you guys snag in the first 3 rounds this year? It would be easier if many of them weren’t douches i.e. Shaw, P.J. Williams.
Three 😛
Lol, that’s what I was gonna say. Trade up for an additional second and get Sammie Coates though.
I haven’t looked that closely at who’s available in college. I’ve been laughing at the one site that I do read that is convinced we select Ifo Epkre-Olomu despite him being 5’9″.
Check out Sammie Coates from LSU, he is Chips perfect receiver. Him or the kid from west Virginia.
Coates transfered from Auburn to LSU recently?
wth am I smoking? btw Gilbert had a nice pick 6 today!
Blind squirrel..
Lol, I gotta give you the business.
Draft 1 n sign Byron Maxwell from the Seahawks
Do you think Byron Maxwell will be nearly as effective when he’s not playing with three Pro Bowl caliber teammates in the secondary? I don’t.
Five.
PJ williams I’d say
There’s a 0% chance he’s on the Eagles board.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/15/sports/ncaafootball/for-an-fsu-football-player-a-hit-and-run-becomes-two-traffic-tickets.html
.05% maybe?
If he falls to the fourth, maybe, but some other team will overlook his shortcomings long before that.
Yeh, that’s what I was going to say. He’ll get take in the second at the LATEST.
It’s a shame because he and Peters are by far the two best CB’s in this class and check all the boxes from a physical/scheme/talent standpoint but both are sociopaths
It’s really frustrating because I’m looking for a good cb to watch some tape on and everyone I say, “wow! He looks good,” has off the field issues.
Seattle defense was way too physical for us. Like it or notvwe were completely overmatched and could not move the ball what so ever. From the running game, to the short passing game, to the middle and deep passing game, we were absolutely SHUT DOWN. No other way to describe it.
Defense played well enough for us to win, but Seattle’s defense played two times better. We were completely overmatched on offense. Sanchez looked uncomfortable from the second he took his first snap. We are now 0-4 against the class of the NFC, and with this game, it’s clear where we stand.
The defense is very solid in the front seven, Fletcher Cox is on his way to the top with each snap he plays, same goes for Kendricks and Curry, etc… But that secondary? Disgusting, Jenkins reminded us why he doesn’t play cornerback anymore, he displayed terrible man-coverage skills. Cary Williams proved his tendencies to be inconsistent and non-instinctive are not fixable, and Bradley Fletcher? Do I have have to really go any further than just mention his name? That 44 yard penalty truly draws up his game and his ineffectiveness as an NFL starter; what’s frustrating is that this happened against a very week receiving corps and offense in general. Which Lynch on LOCK DOWN the entire game, you would think the Seahawks would lose this game, but then we’re reminded of our lackluster secondary and here we are back in square one and tied up with fucking Dallas ONCE AGAIN.
This game pretty much sums up that we’re not at the level we think we are, at least not yet.. And this is coming from a fan like myself who thinks the Eagles can beat ANYBODY in this league with ease. Sometimes you have to take a step back and truly embrace the fact the team is just not there yet in terms of competing with the upper echelon of the NFC .. And thats okay. Because we will be there very very soon.
Extremely pissed the fuck off over this game. Unbelievable.
The flag on Fletcher should not have been thrown. That call was crap.
Like, I would need toilet paper to deal with it.
Would have been fine with that call if they’d have called the one on Celek and Maclin in the first 3 and out.
Indeed it was. I honestly thought that call was on Seattle.. Man was I livid. Such bullshit!
Me too man, me too. I got over my hatred after the 3rd quarter. Hey, we are still rebuilding and we are in first place in our division. Lets take it from here and see what happens. O, and for the love of god, get us some CBs!!!!
Seriously! The only good thing Fletcher has is his height, but the dude plays 5 inches shorter. I have never been so frustrated with an Eagles secondary as much as this one.
I wouldn’t be so sure. I think you are forgetting mile marker 23 & 24.
O u c h. Wasn’t even that long ago and yeah, they were AWFUL.
I have the memory of those two completely blocked out of my life.
Did you watch SNL last night? There was a skit that reminded me of your comment.
Lol nah I didnt.
I think people have not really noted this…but out of the top tackles that year, we have lucked out with Lane Johnson’s performance and continued growth so far…
I was just thinking that today. He is by far the best out of the top 3 taken.
One of the problems with taking 3 DBs in the 1st three rounds? We need at least one starting quality guard if not two soon.
Idk what the deal with Tobin is but there might be something there. We could use the center from Oregon who can play center and guard. That would be the best.
I thought a few people (Tommy etc.) felt Johnson was the best of the 3
I did as well. Didn’t really understand why he went third. I guess he was the best for us?
Least polished of the three. Best athlete but least experience. Good coaching has done wonders for him.
I am watching the 2nd half on DVR, every time Wilson throws the WR is like 2 yards away from the CB. Every time we throw the DB is draped on our WR.
Literally draped. Maybe a flag or two.. just saying.
not these refs
Unless there is a wing on the helmet.
There was a wing on everybody’s helmet!
They have a beak
Seattles D is excellent at closing in on the ball.. They play so fast and physical that you can’t help but understand why they Butt-Plugged Denver in the super bowl.
how is it like all of their players seem faster and stronger than ours?
They are faster and stronger than most players. You never really notice how good a teams defense is until you play them, and man did I notice.
they must have a great strength coach
The have a lot of talent in that secondary and have devoted picks to the position as well. They hang their hat on being able to outphysical your receivers.
Adderall.
I think I bought into what GEAGLE was selling this week, and I feel worse. I did not see our OL dominating their DL.
Early on I thought we did a solid job. As the game wore on, we got worse though. Against other teams, those four to ten yard runs might have gone for fifty. Credit Seattle’s team speed.
Note he’s disappeared now that we’ve lost. If we would’ve won it would be all back-patting I-told-ya-so’s.
was the Seattle OL called for holding even once? We got so much penetration, then Wilson starts moving around and normally that’s a recipe for holding.
Not that I recall. I do remember an Eagles LB getting called for a bogus within the five yards holding call on their first possession. Alright, I feel like I’m validating blindchow’s comment on complaining about refs now. My last kvetch on them.
Many, many bad holds. Just poor officiating all around.
Right at the start of the game, there should have been a PI call on Seattle. Not called.
Per Brandon Lee Gowton. @BrandonGowton over on BGN
Chip Kelly’s Eagles are 1-4 when Bill Vinovich’s crew is reffing games. Seattle Seahawks are 5-1.
Food for thought.
Saw this on the other thread, but I’m past my quota for complaining about the refs this game.
then we should have played more physically.
Look.mRef’s were bad, but that’s not why we lost. We lost because 1) our offense was terrible, and 2) our pass defense was worse than our offense.
Yes to 1. No to 2. Pass defense was bad, but not the primary reason for loss. Pass defense was what it has been all season.
Maybe offense was worse? They were both terrible
well it all falls on our offense imo our defense was on the field 80% of the game or some ridiculous amount. When you never get a break you will eventually see some cracks. Our pass offense isn’t good but it’s not like Russel wilson is a world beater.
Never said they were. Did I? just putting it out there. Don’t read to deeply into things.
I read too deeply into everything.
What a crock. The pass defense had a few bad moments, but they kept Wilson from passing even when he had time, in the first half, and they held the defending Super Bowl champs to 24 points. Isn’t our offense supposed to score 40 per game? Right?
Who are the other losses to?
That I’m not sure. Like I’ve said elsewhere I’m sure this is an occasion of small sample size and I realize that correlation =/= causation. I’m not up to it but it would be a fun study to go around and look at all the teams and styles teams play and match them up with certain crews to see if certain officiating crews just tend to be a more favorable/unfavorable match-up for certain styles of offense/ defense and if such a thing is even worth considering or is negligible. I’d say in the long run it’s probably negligible but could be interesting to look at the small scale effects.
I mean if this is the kind of crew that allows for physical play from corner backs that obviously favors a team that actually has physical cornerbacks. Assuming such a bias exists of course.
Which is why I said food for thought.
Maybe our replay expert should do a scouting report on that week’s crew
Well that might not actually matter. Though I’d be surprised if they didn’t. I’m sure that kind of thing happens all the time. I guarantee players at least have an “idea” of what they can get away with. Like I said though if a crew is lenient on physical secondary play you actually have to have a physical secondary to take advantage of that.
Wow. That’s pretty skewed I’d say. Surely the league would take notice? Or not.
Kendricks and Cox balled today. If as Brent from Eagles Rewind says, the most important thing this year is that one or more players show they could be elite (because ultimately you need elite players here and there to win a SB), then these two are answering the call. They both have just been kicking ass.
Great point.
Eagles need more talent.
Culture can get you only so far
I’ll take culture over talent, but ultimately you need both.
It’s scary how that defense also..destroyed one of the best offenses ever in the Superbowl last year.
Well hey. Good point. We did put up more points than the Broncos did. Small miracles.
lol you two.
How about, culture can beat scheme, but it can’t beat talent?
While discussing the referees, no one has mentioned the no call on Trent Cole for striking Wilson in the head on a third down incompletion.
Mark Sanchez threw for less than 100 yards. He completed 50% of his passes.
This is the 21st century NFL, where quarterbacks routinely throw for 400 yards in a game.
McCoy ran for less than 60 yards.
Sanchez couldn’t throw the ball.
The fact is, Seattle kicked the Eagles’ collective ass.
Seattle’s D kicked the Eagles O’s ass. Our D balled. Our ST’s were good. Offense was completely inept thanks to no threat in the passing game.
Agree. Completely.
Well we could discuss all the no calls obviously. Officiating was bad for both teams it’s just that the bigger mistakes slanted in one direction. Fairly simple. I do like that an honest discussion of the officiating is considered too low-brow to some though. I agree with your other points though. Sanchez just didn’t seem to have any fight in him.
For everybody harping about the CBs, it was the LBs who gave up a bunch of those passing plays and Jenkins who had his worst game of the season including that dropped pick 6 which was a back-breaker. 24-21 totally changes that game and one the reasons I wasn’t crazy about the Jenkins signing is because Jenkins wasn’t a playmaker. After a really solid start, he has leveled off quite a bit.
McCoy also came up small tonight. Didn’t think he ran decisively as the game wore on and that funke was huge. For a guy who is supposed to be an All-Pro, he has come up small in slit of a lot Eagles big games in his career towards the end of the season & playoffs. May have passed Montgomery but I would still take Monthomery (Westbrook and Watters too) if I needed an Eagles RB in a big game.
I thought on the initial watch that Fletcher and Jenkins were the guiltiest parties on the third down plays. Billy Davis loves matching up his safeties in man to man and Jenkins was just outmatched by Baldwin all day.
On McCoy, you have a very good point about him coming up small in big games. His style works best if he’s able to get in the open field regularly, and against playoff caliber defenses, that doesn’t happen nearly as often. He needs to show that he can grind out the tough yards against physical defenses. We held Lynch to 3.7 yards a carry and it was still easy to be impressed by how hard he ran.
Fletcher got beat on 2 plays I remember but the pass inf call on him was weak and he did break up that deep ball. Wasn’t the biggest issue as he has been some weeks.
Only guy with and speed today on the lb or secondary for the eagles was kendricks and he still doesn’t seek to be moving in coverage as well as he did before he got hurt.
Shocking at the game how much faster the Seahawks players looked in coverage.
encouraged to know our dEFENSE can play a full 60 minutes nonstop with barely a moment to sit down.
I’d sure like it if they didn’t have to though.
Other observations:
– they shaded Earl Thomas over to Maclin’s side an awful lot today. Figured they could handle Cooper 1 on 1 and they did.
– Sanchez looked for Matthews too much but Simon and others as necessary did a number on Matthews who couldn’t create space and was bottled up all day.
– kelly almost seemed too conservative at times with the play calling today. When Foles was the starter, this team threw more deep attempts per att than any other team in the league. Often felt they forced it and it lead to some of Foles struggles while with Sanchez they seem to be keeping almost every thing under 20 yards.
– Eagles coaching staff had done a good job of scheming this year but they struggle when they run into a team that is more physical and for the first time all year too much speed.
– tip of the cap to the Seahawks secondary who played physical coverage but did it with speed and hit hard & wrapped up. Looked like a throwback game with WRs being draped and struggling to find some open room.
They stopped calling deep balls at some point with Foles. He kept missing them, and they changed their approach. He was 5/33 on deep balls.
I gotta ask, what would you like to see happen at the QB position, this year and going forward?
Shoot them all, start fresh.
Sorry just trying to get in the blindchow mentality.
Joe Webb?
That’s the Shah8 mentality. That’s a place I dare not go.
yup. Do wish we had him as an alternative.
How’d Joe Webb do today?
Lol no idea. I hope you know I’m kidding
I have no idea. I just want someone who can play.
I’m still pissed we didn’t at least give revis a chance
yeah in theory but we aren’t good enough for a $12m corner.
We didn’t even bring the man in
Still wonder what would have happened with Desean today instead of Cooper. Would have struggled too but it amazes me how soft Cooper is on man press matchups and this game was begging for just 2-3 big plays by the offense to turn things in the Eagles favor.
I thought the Eagles would lose this game before the year and at the bye. Still have an excellent chance to go 12-4, wrap up the division, and host a playoff gave in the 1st round.
Just understand why people are down because this team had struggled against every good team in the NFC and i can’t see them either going into Seattle, GB, or even Detroit and winning a road playoff ganes. AZ is the exception because of hoe pitiful their offense has been under Stanton.
Sherman said the same thing that DJax is a loss to the team.. Also said Maclin complains alot lol
LOL, Sherman should talk….. He is such a pest. He was probably complaining because the refs were calling a one sided game.
Do you mean it wasn’t lopsided enough? Right? Like every play should have been a penalty to Philly?
Sherman is a jackass. His opinion is hardly worth listening to.
How would we go to Detroit?
Why are you wondering how this team would look with a wide receiver from another team? A wide receiver who had 2 touchdowns in 2012 and 4 touchdowns in 2011?
Jordan Matthews already has 7 touchdowns and Maclin has 9.
Why would we want some whiny a$$h@le from another team?
ajax went 110 and 1 against seattle w/ colt mccoy throwing to him.
DeSean is gone. LET. IT. GO.
Not talking politics here but the Eagles’ fans who booed the protestors after the game, yelled a lot of obscentities, and threw stuff at them just added to the rep Eagles’ fans get as being a-holes.
Add the 2 fights I saw in the parking lots including one Seahawks fan who got jumped by 3 guys. Inside the stadium is night and day difference from the Vet but outside their are still a lot of idiots and jerks who vandalize stuff snd want to start fights especially the guys with no tickets who just tail gate. As I get older I grow more and more tired of that BSz
The Philly fans are scumbags is a lazy national media narrative, it’s more like, drunk people who are in large groups, and mad over a sporting loss tend to be assholes, regardless of geographical location.
Here is a list of messed up events at sporting games not in Philly.
http://philly.barstoolsports.com/random-thoughts/reader-email-and-word-doc-philly-dude-kept-a-log-of-all-scumbag-fan-events-from-other-cities-for-years/
I’ll generally agree but there is some kernel of truth to Eagles fans being a-holes. Gone to NFL games in a bunch of different places and the only parking lots pre-game I felt was worse was SF when I lived out there.
How did the crowd sound? I was at the game and our section was the worst. We made much noise as possible but when seahawks made plays their fans made more noise. Maybe cause it was club level (my first time on club seats). Embarrassed to call them eagles fans.
I’m embarrassed for the Hawk WR who faked that flop.
I’ve talked myself down from the edge. Here’s my post before bedtime. The Eagles are a very good, but not elite, football team. Tonight they lost to the defending Super Bowl champions, who might even repeat. They went down fighting, no shame in that. Shady set the all-time rushing record.The Eagles are going to win the NFC East with a 12-4 record, their best record in ten years. They may well win a playoff game. They ain’t gonna’ win the Lombardi. Last year was good, this year is better. Life ain’t so bad in Eagles Nation. A lot of fans would trade places with us. G’night.
My parting thought… Despite the defenses struggles, the front 7 was balling out for most of the game. I feel really confident in our young bucks up front, lead by Cox and Kendricks. It’s nice to finally have a good young core to build around on defense, now if we could just get some talent in that secondary we’ll really have something going for us.
Sorry to disagree but the Refs did decide this game. How many first downs did they get by penalty. Then completed a long 3rd down we get called for a hold and how far down the field was there Lineman. I counted at least 5 easy to call PI against us, nope only 1 which I did not count. The calls made us change the game plan. The NFL lost a fan today, I will always love the Eagles but games like this convince me Money runs the Refs. NFL head office money.