Hot Air?
Posted: February 7th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 291 Comments »The offseason is a lot of fun, but one annoying part of it is all the crazy rumors and reports that pop up. The other day a local writer mentioned that the Eagles “may have interest in Jake Locker “. This feels like agent–speak 101.
Agents love to leak “rumors” to writers to get their client’s names out in the media. And you never know if some other team will be fooled by this. “Chip Kelly likes Locker? Maybe we should give him a look.” I prefer to think NFL teams are smarter than that, but history shows there are some teams that aren’t so bright.
As to Locker, could the Eagles actually have some interest? Sure. He’s 26. He is a very good athlete. The price will be right. But let’s also understand he would be a step back from Mark Sanchez. Let that sink in for a moment.
Locker has always been more athlete than QB to me. At Washington he was able to run the ball and help his team to win with leadership and toughness. The Huskies lost to Nebraska 56-21 in a game where Locker went 4-20 with 2 INTs. They had a rematch in the bowl game and UW won 19-7. Locker was only 5 of 16 in that game, but he ran the ball well and made a couple of clutch plays.
Locker did show some growth as a passer early in 2013, but then got hurt (a recurring issue with him). Like the entire Titans team, Locker struggled in 2014.
It is possible that Kelly could have liked something he saw out of Locker from the UW-Oregon days, but there is no guarantee to that. Locker finished his college career with 53 TD passes and 35 INTs, and a losing record. He flashed potential on a regular basis, but his play was erratic.
I would love to have Locker come in as the #4 QB and compete for a spot, but this rumor feels more like Locker’s agent trying to get his name out more than anything.
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Tra Thomas was interviewed on 97.5 and had some things to say.
Asked about the Marcus Mariota possibility, Thomas said: “Coach Kelly really likes to have as many Oregon players on the team as possible just because I think they understand his system.”
Someone asks about Mariota and that’s the answer you give? Ugh. 32 teams have interest in Mariota because he is a very talented QB. He’s a great fit for the Eagles because played in the Kelly system at Oregon, but that’s hardly the number one reason to want him. He’s a great athlete with good size and a good arm. This is someone who looks like an NFL starting QB.
Asked later about the scheme, Thomas added: “You’re gonna need a running quarterback if you’re gonna run this type of offense.”
Ugh. Didn’t he watch what Foles did in 2013? Yes, it would be great to have a running QB. That would allow the scheme to operate at its peak, but it isn’t a need. The offense can adjust to the QB’s strengths and weaknesses.
Thomas didn’t get brought back as a coach. If this is the level of analysis he was feeding the Eagles, I can see why. Thomas had a reputation for being a smart player. This is really simplistic insight and offers nothing of real value. Very disappointing.
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Thomas talked to Comcast Sportsnet about LB Marcus Smith.
“He’s definitely going to have to get a little stronger out there because when you look at even his body type, he has the build of like a high school athlete still — a young college athlete,” Thomas said on Comcast SportsNet’s Friday edition of Philly Sports Talk. “He needs to put on probably about a good 15 to 20 more pounds so he can really execute and be a effective out there.
“He has the same movement pattern as Connor [Barwin], where you can teach him how to work and throw his different moves in and how to help him with his timing.”
This is more useful info, but a bit of hyperbole, perhaps? Smith has a high school body? The guy led the nation in sacks per game as a Senior at Louisville. That wasn’t all some magical scheme and total luck.
And he went to the Combine and measured in at 6-3, 251. He ran 4.66 and did 23 reps. He had a 35-inch vertical jump. There is nothing remotely “high school” about those numbers.
I have no problem with Thomas saying that Smith needs to get bigger and stronger. Look at Brian Dawkins. He came to the NFL at 190. He left at about 201 and with muscles on top of his muscles.
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I would love to have Locker come in as the #4 QB
I’m pretty sure Locker won’t have trouble finding work as the #2 QB in this league, while some teams might even offer him the opportunity to battle for the starting spot.
You could be right. I still see him as a major project.
I haven’t seen much of Locker, but from that description he sounds like a Tim Tebow.
I considered using that description, but Tebow has such negative connotations that I backed off it.
Locker is infinitely better in terms of mechanics and simply throwing the ball. He’s just not a polished passer that plays consistently well.
Negative connotations? Haven’t you watched Skip Bayless?
My friends and I used to call him Tebow-West and Dan LeFevour from Western Michigan Tebow-North, while Tebow was Tebow-South. I can’t remember if we ever found a Tebow-East that year though.
Perhaps what Thomas means about Smith having the body of a young college athlete is that he has the room to add a lot of bulk to his frame without losing speed or agility.
Locker has had one season since high school where he broke the mendoza line of 60% completion. That was in 7 games during 2013 where he went 111comp-183att, 1256yards, 8TD, 4INT.
Considering the importance of accuracy in this system I just don’t know how he could be considered a likely candidate.
But it wasn’t as if Sanchez was much better. He was right around 60% in ’07, and hit 65% in ’08 at USC. His only year >60% in the NFL was last year with Chip (only broke 55% line in ’11). And Marky Mark had a way better supporting cast during his college days. I honestly don’t know the breakdown of Locker’s throw chart and abilities (if he’s more effective outside/inside the #s, how he throws the deep out/fade/back shoulder/etc., ability to sell play-action, pump-fake and look off DBs, throw screens and wheels, and so on).
More of a devil’s advocate position; it’s not like I’m all OHMYGOSHJAKELOCKERISTHENEXTJOEWEBB. But of the QBs available, I’d take him over Barkley, and honestly put him on the same level as Mark. I also think it’s more likely another team signs Sanchez to start, forcing our hand somewhat in finding a QB in FA. Unless, of course, Chip drafts 2; I’d like to see a Barkley replacement in camp as well.
More Devil’s advocate: Is giving up on Barkley after 2 years the best idea? He was THE #1 QB after his junior year. He got hurt and couldn’t throw as hard. Do we really have an idea how good he really is at this point. He’s supposedly hard-working and positive despite the bench being a very unfamiliar territory. Barkley could step up this year and be a viable back-up. Crazier things have happened with NFL QBs who had far less potential.
I would just say, IMO, Locker has shown more as a pro than Barkley, by far; it’s a great hope to have and one I share, but he’s done nothing to inspire confidence in a magical offseason; enough that competition would not be brought in via FA (especially if Sanchez leaves)
Oh yeah, you’re right that Barkley hasn’t shown us enough to be a #2. Seems like we share the same optimism about his potential, though. Yep, Locker has shown much more. Of course, much of what has been on display has been undesirable, particularly the low completion percentage.
High school or young college athlete build?
http://www.eaglesgab.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Marcus-Smith.jpg
He does look big, though not “rocked up”. Maybe he should get himself on the Lane Johnson program.
You have to bear in mind that Tra is comparing him to special athletes like Max Jean-Gilles.
No high school body here…
http://blog.nj.com/eagles/2007/08/large_Max%20Jean.jpg
Breasts at such a young age? Bulging spare tire? Another spare around the neck? I know linemen need to be big, but it would be much better if there was 30 pounds less fat!! How much is he going to be packing around at 50?? Let’s hope MSII NEVER looks like this, for his own sake!
The last I remember from MJG was him coming into camp in 2011 and a big deal was made of him having lap band surgery during the offseason. He was cut after the preseason and I don’t think he’s played again since.
By the way there was a photo of him that I can’t locate any more where he was holding onto a walker doing some exercises during injury rehab and he looked much fatter than he did in the combine photo.
At the opening of some training facility. Looks much better.
http://www.socialmiami.com/slideshow/social-manny-9246/ne-1.jpg
Nowhere near an expert, but he does seem to have a more linear build than NFL LBers. His arms are muscular, but his legs seem to be thin. It could just be the angle of the picture.
I’ve always thought he looked somewhat lean even in the midsection. Look at other pictures of him. He definitely needs to add muscle and weight and I pray he does and becomes effective. Almost looks like a tight end. It’s weird because in his college uniform he looked bigger. Get that sports science working Chip and put some weight on this kid!
I mean no 22 year old is completely built out. Suggs didn’t look like he did coming out of ASU. Just for comparison here’s Barwin.
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Both in the HOF.
http://www.lambert58.com/images/jack-lambert.jpg
http://img.spokeo.com/public/900-600/jack_ham_1979_10_28.jpg
from Wiki: “Lambert was selected by the Steelers in the second round of the 1974 NFL Draft, though many pro football coaches and scouts thought he was too small to play linebacker in the NFL. (Lambert played quarterback at Crestwood HS before switching to defensive end at Kent State.) While most of his pro career he was reported to be 6’4″ and 220 pounds in the program, he measured 6’3½” and 204 pounds as a rookie.”
Era doesn’t matter. Size doesn’t always matter.
“Ham played college ball at Penn State. In his three years as a starting linebacker, the Nittany Lions had records of 11-0, 11-0, and 7–3. In his senior year, 1970, Ham was co-captain, had 91 tackles, four interceptions, and was an All-American. He had 251 career tackles, 143 unassisted. He blocked three punts in 1968, setting a school record that was not tied until 1989.
He was named the greatest outside linebacker of all time by a consortium of professional sports writers, beating Lawrence Taylor for this honor.”
He looks really lean. Comparing him to our other OLBs and others in the league it’s obvious he just needs to put on some muscle and weight. Tra kinda exaggerated there.
Yeh, get that crap out of here Tra. The kids in my high school were lucky to bench 225 once.
doesnt really matter, the truth is Marcus was always going to need his rookie season to get stronger before he could produce, the eagles knew this before they decided to draft him… its really not uncommon. Lack of strength is usually why college OLBs need a year before they can really be ready to produce at the NFL level…tre didnt mean any harm, he was laughing the entire time, and he is right that marcus wasnt strong enough to play this year, but everyone who LOVED MARCUS as a prospect already knew that was going to be the case..
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the best part from Tre was he confirmed that moving marcus to ILB really was just a numbers situation because of the injury to Meco and 3 OLBs playing like Beasts in front of Marcus.. Eagles threw Marcus in at ILB just to see if maybe he could surprise and overthrow Casey Nathews and Acho,.,, Marcus is an OLB, thats how eagles really view him, and thats where his future is..
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marcus should make a big leap this year, but year 3 is when we will really see this kids true beast ability..im really excited about Foles,Cox,Kendricks, Vinny, boykin in year 4, Bennie,ertz and Lane in year 3. Those 8 players should all make significant improvements from the players we saw this year…thats 8 significant upgrades.. jordan,Huff,Marcus, Watkins, Beau will also all be better than the players we saw last year… thats like 13 upgrades total just by young players expecting to be stronger, more experieced and improved next year than they were this year… sign like 4-5 free agents, draft 2 kids that end up being able to help as rookies, and thats like 20 positions upgraded from this years 10-6 team
For some reason I really like the idea of getting Mauldin and pair him with Smith for the future. It’s could one of those cool stories about how college players joined up in the NFL and continued to play well.
you get my vote..been watching him since last year.. id def like to see him in eagle green
Tommy great articles the last couple of days.
I’m not sure Tre is wrong about needing a running QB. But the argument’s a little more nuanced. It goes something like: “Kelly’s offense magnifies the benefits of a mobile QB more than most and probably more than any other in the league. QB mobility is a comparatively high leverage element to have in the Kelly offense. It’s a key tool for putting the ball where you have a numerical advantage, and being able to do this is critical when you run simpler plays at a high speed.”
I do think it’s important to address the Foles counterargument. I like Foles a lot, but I’m still unsure about whether we can replicate the offense’s success with Foles. The running game was unbelievable that year and probably unsustainable at that level. Having a healthy O-line and burner at WR could help, but I’m not sure it gets us back there.
Oregon Ducker and I were discussing this about a month ago. The blur offense may just need a mobile QB. That QB still needs to be able to play from the pocket, but it’s not enough for the offense to really crank.
This is why I actually see a pretty good argument (which I almost never do) for trading a bevy of assets to get Mariota.
Tommy, I don’t think highly of Eckel, but he specifically stated the information was coming from another agent besides Locker’s. So, I don’t think this is a matter of an agent trying to pump up his client’s worth. A part of an agent’s job is to know the marketplace and I’m sure just like pro personnel guys he looks at team needs and scheme fits. It seems to me this is more of a connect-the-dots informed thinking thing. Just from reading Eckel’s article, it’s pretty clear that it’s not concrete information and just speculation. Of course, that gets warped when repeated by other media sources and it becomes a “Eagles interested in Locker!” rumor.
I don’t think anyone thinks highly of Eckel.
The agent who gave this nugget to Eckel could work for the same agency as Locker’s guy. Or maybe that agent is doing a favor for Locker’s agent. Still is forced and awkward info.
Eckel’s mom?
by Mark Eckel
PHILADELPHIA — By the time you read this, LeCharles BentleyJake Locker already will be an Eagle.
NJ.com is a joke… eckel and Elliot parker compete over biggest hack in Philly sports media,.,im baffled has to how NJ.com waste their credentials on elliot Parker. million people would ask better questions in the locker room than that fool
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the only person with a clue associated with NJ.com and that ackel, Parker posse is Matt Lombardo, he has had a good grasp of eagles reality while the rest of the media were saying dum things like Foles would be traded because he couldnt run fast or chip kelly wanted to draft Johnny Manziel…
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we should all make an effort to just ignore NJ.com morons and not give them any pblicity, hacks to the fullest
Amazing that Locker was drafted as high as he was. That’s how desperate teams are to find a franchise QB I guess.
Exactly. And that’s why I don’t get the talk about MM falling.
there isnt anything to get…. just people being foolish, or silly..its not like there is a QB that could climb the board and end up getting drafted ahead of marriotta… after winston, someone will desperately need a QB and realize MM is there best option in years, and end up drafting him…cant wait til the jets get him so we can put it to bed… he better watch out that the skins dont draft him lol
I now understand why he wasn’t brought back. This seems very borderline sour grapes. Next thing u know he will say the college gimmick offense doesnt work. He was about as insightful as Warren the Sapp
In my brief impression of Smith is that he needs to get mentally up to speed at the NFL level. It NEVER crossed my mind that he didn’t have the physical tools.
March will be the most important month of chips tenure thus far.Honeymoon phase is over, its only fair that we hold him to normal standards which dictate he most produce a playoff birth in year 3. he experienced what bad injury luck can do, and i expect him to be prepared to weather it next year…
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we have plenty of immediate holes to fill, and people need to stop thinking we can fill them in the draft. immediate needs, next years team will be forged in free agency… if free agency ends and we dont have a safety or whatever, we cant expect to fill that hole with a rookie. anything we get from a rookie is just a bonus, next years team is built in free agency and we have alot of work to do and not all the money in the world. we need to be smart with our signings. we need like 3-5 players, so cant pay for two super expensive free agents..
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something like:
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1)Da’NORRIS SEARCY, Safety (SEARCY) has to happen. we could go with Gilchrist, Rahim Moore, but if you arent going to sign a quality cornerback upgrade im going to need a serious safety like Searcy, not settling for someone like Gilchrist. get me Maxwell and id be willing to accept a lessor safety like Gilchrist. Costly move but nothing too expensive like McCourty
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2)PERNELL McPHEE…Going to need an OLB, might just be a good idea to cut ties with cole and BG now, and get our future OLBs in Place, and a backup BISEXUAL LB(goes both ways OLB and ILB).:
OLB pass rusher is probably our most expensive addittion
1)Pernell McPhee is probably the best we can do
2)Jabaal Sheard
3) Sam Acho
4) Worlids but Titans are going to steal him from steelers
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3) BROOKS REED(Bisexual Backer, goes both ways OLB/ILB: Might be a good idea to sign Brooks Reed, he can play some OLB for us(rotation) but also be ILB insurance in case Meco cant come back from injury). But I would want Brooks in addition to someone like sheard, McPhee… This Might be too expensive to add Brooks and a stud pass rusher. I dont think Brooks will cost as much as Barwin, but he wont be that much cheaper either.. But we would have a quality backup to rotate in at both LB positions..
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4) VIRGIL GREEN: I am a big celek and Casey fan, but id let go of either if we could steal him from he broncos who are busy paying julius Thomas and trying to keep Tamme. Virgil is their 3rd TD, he will be on a new team next year, we should take advantage of the perfect compliment to Ertz and have him replace Casey or Celek. Id give him James Caseys deal which should be enough to land him
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5) Davon House: Cheaper signing similar to Bradley Fletchers contract…hasnt proven he can start because he was behind tramon williamns and Sam Sheilds but he has proven to improve each of his 4 years, he is a team guy, not all about the money, should be attracted to our college environment and family atmosphere which he appreciates about GB. Pakcers have 16 free agents, i assume he will have to look for a new team. we would be signing him to compete with Cary and Nolan for the outside spots
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Depending on what we think Herremans has left in the Tank we could need to sign a RG
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we cant count on any rookies, anything we get is a bonus, but Im sure a few rookies will be able to help out next year.. say 2 or 3 rookies help us, I think these 5 signings could be enough to really help us take the next step next year, along with all our young players being a year older, more experienced, another year in the weight room..
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McPhee OLB
Brooks Reed OLB and ILB
Greene TE
Davon House CB
Searcy starting Safety
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Draft a WR, OG, ILB, CB,OT, maybe another DE.. and 1 or 2 should be able to contribue next year… thats like 7 upgrades in Free agency/Draft combined for next year, combine that with young players growth and improvements from continuing to gel and that should make us a playoff team next year..
that isnt going to be cheap, but its not crazy either and we would be cutting contracts like James Casey, Cole, possibly Demeco, losing Bradley fletcher and Casey mathews contract in free agency
we would be left with:
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Beast young DL
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OLBs: Barwin, McPhee, MS2,Brooks Reed
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ILB: Kendricks, Brooks Reed, rookie like erik kendricks, Meco
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Safety: Searcy, Jenkins, Maragos, Wolff, Reynolds
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CB: Cary, Nolan, Davon House, Rookie(Q-rollins)
Nickel Boyin
Dime: Jaylen Watkins’…
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Thats not a bad young defense to go to war with
Offense:
Foles, Sanchez, Barkley
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TE: Ertz, Virgil Greene, Ertz or rookie(Max williams/jesse james), Burton
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WR: Maclin,Coop,Pope,Huff, Rookie: Devin Smith? Jalen Strong? Phillip Dorsett? Sammie Coates? Funchess? possibly trade for a young player whos team doesnt value him like Cordarrel Patterson?
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RB: Shady,Sproles, Polk
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OL… either replace Heremans in free agency, or draft the G and T from Oregon..
Tom is absolutely right, Lockert major step back from sanchez.
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there is no realistic option that can be a better #2 for us than Mark Sanchez in year 2 of this offense. he is better than any other free agent QB in year 1 of this offense. I know everyone things he will sign on to start for some crappy offense, but i wouldnt be surprised to see him re sign with us and have an open competition to push Nick,,, I would handicapp the best odds of our 3 QBs next year being Foles, Sanchez and Barkley. I think all 3 will be brought back and we wont draft any.. sign a UDFA QB
I’ve been attending my high school’s football games since the late 1990s. The only linebackers I’ve seen with bodies remotely similar to Smith’s are Dan Connor and Mark Herzlich.
Central League!!!!!!!
Indeed!
Although neither of those two combined are even close to Floyd Wedderburn.
It took me 45 minutes to remember who Floyd is. I never saw him at Upper Darby. I just remember him from Penn State.
Hah. I played against Dan Connor back in the day. Herzlich went to the same HS I did but years afterward. Was excited when he got to the NFL but very disappointed when it turned out to be with the Giants.
Hey, those guys aren’t in high school!
The Baltimore Sun’s Mike Preston believes DL Haloti Ngata could be cut if he and the Ravens cannot agree on a contract extension.
Baltimore’s preferred option in dealing with Ngata’s untenable $16 million cap hit is a contract extension similar to the one OLB Terrell Suggs signed last offseason, but Ngata has been reluctant to renegotiate the last several years. The Ravens could save $8.5 million by cutting Ngata, but Ngata was still a force inside last season despite missing four games due to suspension. With Ngata heading into the final year of his deal, an extension makes sense for both sides, but it is still far from a sure thing Ngata is a Raven next season.
Pairing Ngata and Cox, now that would be a ridiculous line.
On either side of Logan. The blitz possibilities would be sick.
would be so bad ass
http://overthecap.com/player/haloti-ngata/1377
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. If I’m Ngata I tell the Ravens to get bent. If I’m the Eagles I start tampering with him now and tell him to not give an inch, because we’ll pay him that whole $8.5 no questions asked and talk extension right away like we did with Sproles.
Are you benching Cox, Logan or Thornton while paying the 31 year old, injury prone Ngata top dollar?
Thorton
Why in the name of all thats holy would you want to do that?
Because I think Ngata is better and Thorton is not as good as Logan or Cox.
agreed… Im not looking to lose Thornton, but if we can upgrade him, why not?
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Ill take upgrades anywhere we can get them.. Ced is a RFA anyway so we wold have to pay Ced and Cox soon anyway, might as well pay for Cox and Ngata instead lol
In regard to your avatar: Psalm 103:12. ;~)
Im sorry, I dont know what that means. I just find Genghis Khan an interesting character and an interesting time in history. Also, its a cool ass quote.
i would NOT re sign Thornton if we got Ngata.. Thornbton is a restricted free agent
yep,I love Ced but if we can get a mid round pick from a tender and get Ngata at a reasonable price I’d do it
Theres is no way Thornton is going to get a contract like Ngata. I also think both you and Media Mike vastly undervalue Thornton, or still think Ngata is as dominant as he used to be.
I might have watched the wrong games, but he isn’t nearly the same player. He is obviously still great, although not dominant, but I would be super scared signing him to a huge contract, especially when we have a young player like Thornton playing as well as he did, who i can’t imagine wanting HUGE contract. Also, Ngata might not have missed many games, but every single time i saw the Ravens, it was mentioned that Ngata wasn’t 100 % or playing reduced snaps, or was just returning to form. Seems like the dude haven’t been healthy since 2012. Not a good sign when you’re 31 and approaching your 10th NFL season as a defensive lineman.
if we sign Ngata i will have his Jersey before he even does…lol
he’s only 31 right, and he went to school at…..OK lets make this happen how much money?
Locker is a better bet for us at #2 than pretty much every conceivable #2 except Sanchez. And, honestly, no one knows whether Barkley has shown well in practice this year or not. Maybe Chip sees him as #2. I wouldn’t mind a Locker signing at all if they can’t re-up Sanchez.
Matt Moore would be significantly better. He’s a much better passer, has won games in the NFL, and plays the position properly.
I thought Moore was rumored to be getting a shot at a #1 job somewhere–can’t remember where now, though.
That would certainly preclude him from becoming our backup.
He’d probably be more of a sure thing as a backup. Less risk involved. He doesn’t have Locker’s upside though.
That might be true, but Locker’s upside has yet to materialize because he plays like his head’s up his backside.
So you’re saying Marcus Smith II is the Next Dawkins ™.
Well if he’s not muscular enough for linebacker, he’s probably strong enough to play safety. 😛
really nervous about free agency. its so important for us this year. Every hole needs to be plugged in free agency. Cant look at the draft to fill immediate needs… when free agency ends we should have all our holes filled and the majority of next years team in place…maybe 2 or 3 rookies eventually earn playing time…. depending on what decisions we make with: Casey Mathews, Herremans, Meco, Brad Smith, BG, Trent Cole, James Casey, Brent Celek, Bradley Fletcher… we could end up needing to sign 5, 6, 7 free agents this year.
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Year 3 is upon us, time to show results, and THIS YEARS draft is meant to fix next years problems so for example: if you plan on cutting Cooper next year, his replacement should be drafted THIS year so that by the time we cut Cooper the kid will be grown enough to be able to be to fill his shoes next year…
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we cant fill this years holes, in this years draft…. doesnt work that way.
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which makes this a crucial free agency going into year 3
And you missed the possibility that Maclin might not be around either.
I’m content to see if the Eagles can offer him the Jordy Nelson deal, but tag him if he won’t sign it. I can’t go huge dollars for Maclin.
no chance… it will get done before free agency, he would be franchised and extended later if we really needed it… Maclin has to be an eagle this year, im not to concerned
I’m more convinced, after looking at the numbers, that he’ll be no matter what for 2015. It just might have to be on the tag if he’s being unreasonable and thinks we’ll play him more than Green Bay paid Jordy.
The first shoe needs to drop and Mac clearly doesn;t be the one setting contracts for everyone else. We have to wait for at least one of Cobb, Crab or Smith to get a deal.
That sort of works, but here is where guys are currently. I can’t put Maclin above Jordy. And Cobb, Crab, and Smith should be above Jordy either.
http://overthecap.com/position/wide-receiver/
what we pay Maclin isnt really important…. whats important is how much you are spending on the WR position in total. and when you look at the position as a whole, Cooper will be cut after the season and all the other WRs will be on cheap rookie deals since Brad smith is also a free agent… so they can afford to pay one WR big money if all the other WRs are on cheap rookie deals for a few years
IDK honestly after one of them gets a contract that can be the guideline for Mac’s contract I guess
i dunno about that… figure Damaryious Thomas might have to be franchised, unless they Franchise Julius at a TE price tag. if Demaryious is franchised that does us no good
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Packers arent going to extend cobb so he will end up getting signed on the open market, and we need maclin signed before he hits the market
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Like Cobb, Crabtree probably wont get a contract from the ninerts, so he wont sign til he hits the open market which again, doesnt help maclin
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there is going to be a big discrepency between how smith views his Value and how Torry Smith produced this year, so i think that will be a tricky negotiation and Torrey more then Maclin will need someone to set the market first…… ‘
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Maclin and the Eagles might have to come to terms and set the market themselves which probably is bad for all the other WRs sine Maclin will give us some type of small discount, he wont price his way out of here. but he will get the lucrative deal he deserves…broncos extending Demaryious instead of Tagging him is probably the best hope for someone else to set the market for Mac
That lucrative deal had better be structured, although at way more money per year, the same way as Cooper’s deal. If Maclin’s knee junks itself again I’m in no mood to have to eat dead money endlessly. I’d like to see a contract from which we can escape after 2 seasons for minimal dead money. If he won’t sign something of that style, we have another reason to stall him by using the tag.
could be something like Desean that needs to be addressed again after two years. we will find out how much we miss howie, or if howie is still involved by if we are protected in the contracts we hand out in free agency.. Howie learned his lesson not to F without a condom… hopefully howie is still helping in that regard or his underlings learned from howie… i dont feel like chip needing to learn this lesson the hard way… im sure chip learned something from the deal howie worked out with Cooper and why it was important to protect ourselves in that deal
Well, Howie is still writing the contracts!
hope so…spadaro was asked how they will work together, and he said, more than anything howie wants to win a superbowl, if not, he wont be here,… of course spads is the ultimate optimistic kool aid drinker, says howie hasnt been a problem at novacare so far…
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Hpwie is making 1.7Mil, hopefully we are still getting his expertise..which is contracts
If it were to happen, which i doubt due to Coopers contract, and the money Smith will want; how would you feel with Maclin and Smith? Smith would be a good downfeild threat, more physical then Jackson. I beleive under Kelly, Smith could put up good numbers. His downfeild ability would open up the offense more. Again, a pipedream, but i think it would be nice.
If you want to add a better downfield guy, how about adding Vincent Jackson for a 4th round pick and seeing how he does for the next two years at appx $10 mil /year with no guarantees?
I don;t mind adding Jackson AND signing Mac if we can restructure JAX
Depends, i sort of stopped following him like a year or so ago. Havent heard much about him so im going to assume he really fell off. Am i right or not?
there really is no reason to be concerned. only reason some fans are worried is because a few irresponsible media members speculated about the possibility. Nothing has happened that we should be worried about. we arent even close to reaching the deadline yet, and switching agents most likely meant having to start over…. I dont really see a scenario that Maclin wont be back next yeat.. Its not like they can let him walk and find something cheaper in free agency… why would thy really care about Malcin when Coop is getting cut next year and all our other WRs will be on cheap rookie deals?
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non issue
We might have to. In this case overpaying him is better then not paying him at all due to our other receiving options unless the starters are Cooper, Mathews, with Huff in slot. Not ideal.
Its also a possibility that a meteor strikes Earth tommorow. Maclin is needed by this team and the FO and coaching staff recognizes that. This was a situation they prepared themselves for when they cut Jackson. Maclin also wants to be back. If we lose him i will contact you and send you half of my weekly check. Seriously.
I agree complete. This is a huge FA for the Eagles, and I too have a feeling we might end up signing a pretty big number of FAs, and not just bottom tier guys. I’ll think we end up spending on 1 or 2 players, not the biggest trendsetting positional contract, but somewhere along the lines.
I see us adding some DBs and depth for the OL, before we even look at situations that may arise when it comes to Graham, Cole, Meco, Casey etc.
The only thing I’m looking at for the moment however, is the signing of Jeremy Maclin. There is no way im letting Mac go anywhere, unless Chip just decided something like, he wants D Thomas and wants to wait until his situation is clear. J Mac = bring back
yeah Maclin isnt going anywhere!!!
DaNorris Searcy S
Pernel McPhee OLB
Brooks Reed OLB/ILB
Virgil Greene TE
Davon House CB
Maclin WR
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waive cole, James Casey, lose Casey Mathews, Brad smith, BG,Nate Allen, Bradley Fletcher and possibly herremans to free agency
Uuuuugh Willams and Demeco better be doing something about their contracts if they’re staying
I think Carrol may very well start in Williams place with a new FA corner opposite of him. People keep forgeting about Carrol.
Thats what I think. FA corner with Caroll
I would be happy with that as long as a good safety is added. Carrolis a physical corner with good speed and better ball skills then Williams, which isnt saying much. I think he would be a slight upgrade over Williams, and wouldnt get beat deep as often. Watkins would take over Carrols role from last year. Saves money because Williams would be cut, and you wouldnt have to sign two starting caliber corners, only one.
Carrol is def starting regardless of what happens with cary
I think Carrol will start, however i dont think Williams will be the other starter opposite of him. What are your opinions of Carrol? I just see him as a solid CB with good size and speed.
i would assume contract extensions lowering their cap, give them a two year deal, that we will really only make a 1 year deal
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not sure about Herremans. No idea how much we think he has less in the tank..
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we dont need to do anything at TE, but because a stud like Virgil Greene who really fits us is available, i would gladly give him celek or Caseys spot
I know you love, Searcy. I’m personally not that convinced of his decision making abilities, but he does seem to make an awful lot of sense. McCourty is a pipe dream and the other safeties just aren’t without significant flaws. Rahim Moore have similar issues in terms of reading the play.
McPhee is an interesting choice. I doubt he would come here unless BG is lost and Trent Cole takes a significant payout or is gone too. He’ll come here to start. A similar interesting player might be Obrien Schofield. Seattle can’t keep paying all those rotation players, and having a trio of Barwin, McPhee and Schofield should bring some pressure while Marcus Smith grows and hopefully sometime will show me he isn’t a complete waist of a pick.
I’m not a huge fan of Brooks Reed. Seems like a player with no significant strength to me(to be fair not real weaknesses either), but i just can’t imagine a situation where I would want him on the field. Not a great pass rusher, run stopper or cover guy from what limited action I saw from him. I would prefer going more traditional and looking at Mason Foster, Nate Irving and maybe one of the Dolphins MLBs. I might even look to Lance Briggs, Sean Weatherspoon or Justin Durant.
I would also be really opposed to bringing in Davon House to a position where i would have a fair expectation of him starting. Not for the Eagles. If we had 2 decent CBs who were serviceable, but was looking for someone who might end up being more than acceptable, i would bring him in on a 2 year contract, but we need someone who have started games in the NFL. If we loose out to ridiculous bids for other CBs, then so be it, but im not going after House as the main CB target. Personally I always had Kareem Jackson as the main target. Not the perfect size, but the dude can cover.
If we cut Williams and need to replace 2 CB spots, House might be an ideal target. And theres NO way i’m paying Cary Williams his salary. Absolutely not. HELL NO!
I dont know about the cuts. I have a feeling that we won’t chance things up too much on the TE position. I also think Trent Cole comes back at a new cap number and that Casey Matthews understand that his best choice may be staying with Chip.
Interesting choice with Herrdawg, I remember having considered that too. Theres a lot of choice when it comes to guards in FA. Old guys and younger guys, Studs and serviceable starters.
Good post!
searcy is IMO is the best we can realistically do. Hard worker, great tackler, good ball skills, was involved in all types of plays in coverage yet didnt commit a penalty all season (sounds like a trait our secondary aka flagville could use). and i know he wont be playing for the bills next year. I would love McCourty, but i suspect this is the best we can do THIS year and i do expect him to really blossom during his next contract
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McPhee i would go after and just let go of Cole and BG. gotta cut the cord sooner or later, McPhee is a perfect fit for our multi front defense, might as well stick him opposite of Barwin and let Cole and BG walk..
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Brooks Reed I only like for his versatility to play OLB and ILB.. I wouldnt want him holding down any role, but i wouldnt mind him rotating in, while backing up both positions.. if Meco is healthy, no need to sign him, but if we need a veteran ILB, id love to get one who can also play OLB since I want to draft a young ILB any way
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Virgil Greene is a BEAST, the perfect blocking bruising TE to pair with Ertz.. giving him James Caseys contract should get i done
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CB market sucks, Davons best football should be ahead, he was stuck behind two solid corners hopefully he will flourish with opportunity. But we will have to draft a young corner anyway, so hopefully he eventually becomes our stud corner and these veteran corners are just place holders..
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I like some CBs actually, how much do you think Greene will cost? I wouldn’t mind Searcy? What are your thoughts on Parker, Sheard?
i assume we can hand Greene the contract we gave James Casey and that would get it done..i gotta find out more about his special team ability tho
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Jabaal Sheard i wanted to trade BG for as soon as chip arrived. Loved him since Pitt.. My OLB wish list for us:
1)McPhee’
2) Sheard
3) Worilds i think the Titans will steal him from steelers
4) Acho
If we cant get McPhee id turn to Sheard
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parker, parker parker? cant think of who your talking baout. Parker who?
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which corners do you like and think the eagles have interest in? doubt we have interest in cromartie, maxwells price tag, tramon williams and peanuts age, Flowers and buster skrine too small, Culliver and Perish Cox wont fit our culture… what corner am i missing? I see Davon House, and maybe the 2010 first round bust for the saints, whats his name, Patrick robinson? what corners am i missing?
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ILB’s the only thing i see besides Brooks Reed is like Mason Foster, nothing special… Brooks Reed is like an upgrade of Casey Mathews who backed up ILB and OLB… problem is he is probably going to be too expensive to sit on our bench, since we will need to draft a young ILB who i will want to start within the next year or two… so say we draft erik kendricks and he is ready to start by mid season or next season. can we afford to pay brooks to be a backup, and will he even play special teams which he needs to do to sit on our bench? brooks Reed is probably the least likely, unless he is the only OLB we sign which i wouldnt be happy about
We might look at Smith or Weatherspoon? I guess but FA is not the way to go for ILB if you ask me.
Ron Parker
Think Cox could get a look he is no where near as stupid as Culliver in my opinion. Think they will look at Max, Kareem,Cromartie if the price doesn;t get crazy, I know it is not realistic though but if Revis gets out there then teams my turn the attention to him.
Like the pass rush market
Revis is signing.. Kraft basically announced it saying his 20mil dollar deal is just a placeholder until they work out his extension. they have no plans on losing him
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eagles wont want Cromartie and he is dusting off his Old Jets jersey as we speak, you can count on him signing with the Jets, following Todd Bowles
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Max we will like but the price will quickly get absurd and we drop out if the seahawks dont use the franchise tag on the only healthy member of the LOB.
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Kareem I am assuming will get extended. he has a good year and Joseph is getting older. i dont see why texans would want to lose him
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Culliver and Cox both have red flag issues that would keeo chip from having interest IMO.
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lets see Perish cox:
1) charged with felony sexual assualt as a rookie in 2010 and had to miss the entire 2011 season before finally being aquitted
2) 2009 arrest for driving suspended license
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3)suspended from the cotton bowl
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Cox is sort of viewed as a 1 hit wonder. he got in trouble his rookie year, then played special team and handled Dime duties for a couple years, and he just had a big contract year where he played solid… his contract year play doesnt resemble past play at all. Culliver is the better cover of the two, so i often see rumors that the niners expect to lose culliver because he will get better offers, so the niners end up retaining Cox…
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i guess its possible, but id be surprised to see him an Eagle, unless Davon House gets extended by GB… House is a high charecter guy, isnt all about the money who i could see us liking… basically Davon House is this years Nolan Carrol
Ron Parker? the safety for KC? i didnt wantch KC much this year, but before they ever found out Eric Berry was sick they NEEDED to upgrade their safeties, now that eric Berry is sick, they really need to upgrade their safeties.. I have no idea how Parker played this year, but if KC wants to upgrade him, id like to think we can do better… Isnt he a strong safety?
the Toddfather is not a free agent.
Yet
When I brought up the possibility of Todd being cut, not everyone liked that idea. Now more people seem to think he may not be back.
Chip can be a little ruthless and he hasn’t talked about him the way he talks about cole or meco or peters or celek.
doesnt mean he cant be cut… i have no idea how much we think he has left in the tank.. but Kelce and Todd have been injured 2 of the last 3 years… Kelce is young, maybe its time to look for our RG of the future…
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i have no idea how much he has left in the tank so i really have no idea what the eagles are thinking when it comes to him
Unless we draft someone that surpasses him in TC and preseason i think there is no.doubt he stays.
unless we think he has nothing left and there is a free agent available who we view as he perfect replacement.. but if i had to bet on it, i would probably bet on Herremans being back, competing with a rookie we drafted….but always a chance that the OL is so important so we end up going after or;lando Franklin or some Stud RG in free agency…. then again, OG is one of the positions that there is a decent chance you can draft someone who can handle playing as a rookie. so i def think there is better odds of drafting a Guard(hrnoniss Grasu or Arnie Kouanjo) then signing a free agent, unless we love one of the free agent guards
Its very possible we sign a stud but i think Kelly would rather draft a young guy that he can have for years. Correct me if im wrong but this is a decent draft for G. Im in the miniorty that thinks the Birds are going to go Oline early. I wouldnt mind as long as the pick turns out good. Oline s VERY important to Kelly, as it should be. I also think that Herremans is in obvious decline, but at the same time if healthy can be effective for another year. He is the weakest link on a very talented Oline.
Crazy situations come up on these dopey draft simulation games. At least I don’t expect Jameis Winston and both the top corners to be available at #20.
What the heck are you talking about dude?
Round 1 Pick 28 (DEN): Benardrick McKinney, ILB, Mississippi State (B+)
Round 2 Pick 20: Jaelen Strong, WR, Arizona State (A)
Round 2 Pick 21 (CINN): Sammie Coates, WR, Auburn (B)
Round 2 Pick 23 (ARI): Hauoli Kikaha, OLB/DE, Washington (B+)
Round 2 Pick 24 (PITT): Gerod Holliman, FS, Louisville (B)
Round 2 Pick 27 (DEN): Eric Kendricks, ILB/OLB, UCLA (A-)
Round 3 Pick 20: David Cobb, RB, Minnesota (B)
Round 3 Pick 21 (CINN): Josue Matias, OG, Florida State (A)
Round 3 Pick 22 (ARI): Lynden Trail, DE/TE, Norfolk State (B)
Round 3 Pick 23 (PITT): Senquez Golson, CB, Ole Miss (B+)
Round 3 Pick 28 (DEN): Ibraheim Campbell, SS, Northwestern (B)
Round 4 Pick 14: Ben Koyack, TE, Notre Dame (B+)
Round 4 Pick 20: Jeremiah Poutasi, OT, Utah (A-)
Round 5 Pick 20: Charles Gaines, CB, Louisville (B)
Round 6 Pick 20: Leterrius Walton, DT, Central Michigan (A)
Round 7 Pick 20: Sean Mannion, QB, Oregon State (B+)
Don’t know about Winston, but the “top corners” will be gone. In spite of the many comments about the Eagles having the “worst” corners in the whooole league, it is not true. There are many bad or indifferent or mediocre corners in the league. Similiar to safeties.
lol we actually had the best safety tandom in the NFCE.
when?
This past year.
Giants?
Have to disagree. Jenkins at this point in their respective careers is better then Rolle. Alot of Giants fans dont even want him back. Jenkins is also betterthen Bown. Allen is better in man to man coverage then Brown. While overall i would give Brown the nod over Allen, yet again i think Allen is better in man to man coverage. You can call it a tie between the two tandems, but i will give the Birds safeties a little extra credit due to the fact of the garbage they had to protect that was playing in front of them. A safeties job is alot harder when the corners in front of you are just plain bad. I think Allen is alot more talented then how he plays. I think years of horrible CBs in front of him, the wide 9, and stupid coaching decisions (castillo) killed him.
I’ll give you that, our corners suck
You cant have an all star cast at every position, however in todays NFL if your CBs suck you better hope to have good safeties and vice versa. What Seattle has is very rare, and unattainable. Hence Browner leaving and Maxwell now leaving. Even in NE who has a very good secondary Revis is leaving. MCcourty is a FA, but i think he will stay. If the Eagles get a a very good CB, and have a solid one, with Jenkins at safety, then another good safety, Jenkins level or better, i think you go from one of the worst secondaries to one of the better. Esspecially considering our pass rush. Howver this is expensive and easier said then done.
Revis is not leaving, Browner will leave.
?? Browner isnt even a FA. Revis is supposed to make 20 mil this upcoming season. Patriots just won their SB, they arent paying him that.
Kraft announced they are keeping Revis, they said the 20million dollar deal is just a placeholder deal and they are working out an extension as we speak… and they are franchising McCourty… no idea if browner stays or goes but Revis and McCourty will be Patriots next year
I knew MCcourty was leaving but i wasnt aware of what you stated with Revis. Unless i missed something why would Browner leave?
long term extension
Your right about Revis. I clearly missed some article or NE press release. Why do you think Browner will be leaving? If he does do you think Birds will have interest in him over Maxwell?
Yeah but if you put Williams. Fletcher together you may have the worst tandom. There definetly are worse corners in the league, but maybe not a worse tandom. Add Allen who is supposed to cover their butts and its a recipe for disaster. Williams ball skills are below average, and Fletchers are non existent.
yeah you can say safety is weak but you can;t have a mediocre safety tandem and put them next to a bottom 5 corner tandem and expect good results
I agree 200%.
you can chose to play it more realistically
Not really. If what is going on ahead of me is ridiculous, there’s no saving it.
you can chose to only draft players that would realistically available
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say you want to trade back but all the compensation being offered you know is too unrealistic.. for example say you want to trade back from 20 to 25 but they are compensating you with a 2nd round and a 3rd round pick which you know is unrealistic… I would accept the trade and create a realistic scenario.. for example taking that trade back, i would realistically get the 3rd round pick in return but in this case there is an extra 2nd rounder, so to compensate for getting an extra 2nd rounder i would do something like say, Pretend that I got that EXTRA 2nd round pick for trading away Vinny Curry on draft night..
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so instead of getting an unrealistic 2nd and 3rd round pick from trading from 20 to 25, its like I only got a 3rd round pick for trading back(which is realistic), but ill pretend that the 2nd round pick came from trading away Curry or next years first round pick to make it more realistic
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or sometimes if i want to trade back and they give me too much compensation, in the next round Ill try and trade up one spot and overpay for it so the computer accepts it..basically I offer a trade up 1 spot so I can give back the compensation that was unrealistically given to me the round earlier and im left with realistic compensation for the trade back…
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doesnt matter who the computer drafts, when its your turn to pick you can always chose to draft someone who would realistically be available and you can fix the unfair compensation you recieve in trades by attatching stipulations like pretending this is a mock draft where im also trading away vinny for a 2nd round pick, or pretend you got the extra 2nd round pick trading away next years first…
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you can always chose to make that game pretty realistic, even tho who the other teams will draft isnt going to be realistic. you can play it as realistically as you want… i never draft players i would never find available at that pi ck in real life or accept too much unrealistic compensation in trades
When does FA start?
March 10th
March 7th. :-p
Dont see anything wrong with Tra’s answers.. Simple answers yes.. But doesnt look like there was any follow up questions to elaborate
Smith having a High School build could see where hes coming from.. His body his muscle looks lean.. Hasnt matured yet doesnt have that thickness.. Doesnt look like he hits the gym.. More of the natural athletic body weight lean.. Get his nutrition sorted n good gym program be no prob adding on few Kgs of muscle in the offseason
if you heard the interview, he was laughing and joking the entire time.. really didnt give any malicious answers at all
Ok cool.. Just reading off what was written in the article
As D3FB said, how on earth is this close to a high school build?
Compare him and Connor Barwin.
http://www.houstondiehards.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/barwincombine.jpg
Barwin from the combine
haha honestly how isnt it?? Its like a Marathon runner compared with a sprinter.. With Smith being the Marathon runner.. Hes got the long lean look.. Dunno if its coz he played QB n didnt lift focused on more light, flexibility type workouts.. Just looking at him i would think he plays Basketball
So Jake Locker isnt the flavor for everyone.. Heres 2 QBs i wouldnt mind seeing what they can do.. Blaine Gabbert or Christian Ponder.. Thoughts?
I’d rather have Locker than those 2
Any reason why? All 3 are athletic.. The other 2 are better passers too
Ponder. Sucks. So. Bad.
Your answer is too simple. I dont like it lol Nah thats cool just tryna think of names other than the obvious ones talked about
I don’t have a high opinion of Locker either, but he’d be the better choice between those three mentioned. Just my 49 cents.
Agreed, however he now and then had flashes of being good. Granted they were far and few in between, and he was greatly assisted by AP.
I dont know what to make of backup QB. The thing is you dont want to pay a backup QB alot of money, however with Foles injury history i really think you need a good one in place. Even before Sanchez took a snap for us, i think if you made me pick out of those 3 i would choose Sanchez. It would be really cool if Tommy were to write a peice on backup QB including who is available and his opinion on some of themselves . Tommy if you see this i think it would be a nice article and much appreciated. I think there are going to be alot of QBs that didnt make out their first time around and would like to come here.
Sanchez looked good when he came in.. Then it was quick to see his limitations.. Those limitations killed this O going forward into the season.. Be good to see a write up on QB options
Yeah, teams were able to watch tape on him, see that he was not a downfeild passer. They were able to crowd closer to the LOS to try and take away short and intermediate throws while also being able to defend against the run. Seattle was able to do it real well, and their tackling is very good so they could limit the YAC.
Tommy
When will you offer your annual off season plan?
Since when became Mark Walberg a Patriots fan and why was he in the Robert Kraft’s box at the Super Bowl????
I think Mark Wahlberg was at the Super Bowl when the Pats won their first. He is from Boston, so i kinda doubt he’s band waggon.
And I always thought he was an Eagles fan. Must be because of his role in sniper…
You mean his role as Vince Papale?
And this as well.
I hate Patriots fans more than the team itself. How many Patriots fans did we know before TOM BRADY came along? I knew zero, but now? Forget about it.
He was born in Boston so always probably.
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BYU signed a 6-7 410 pound 18year old from Tonga. if those are anywhere near accurate then wow
Can he move without the aid of a cart?
It’s kind of weird to say it, but I think this guy has the frame to support enormous weight.
Apparently he’s a dancing bear and carries the weight well. doesn’t even look “fat”
wow
I imagine he would be a nose tackle. Not sure what else fits. At that height and weight he’s not going to be able to get low enough to use leverage. He’s just going to have to be strong as hell.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9Bl2M7IQAEG8nG.jpg
Wow, Steve Kafusi is mentioned in that article. That guy SUCKED. I saw the name and just about spit out my coffee.
“Ugh. Didn’t he watch what Foles did in 2013? Yes, it would be great to have a running QB. That would allow the scheme to operate at its peak, but it isn’t a need. The offense can adjust to the QB’s strengths and weaknesses.”
I’m having a hard time agreeing, Tommy. Foles success in ’13 was due to the newness of the scheme itself. 2014 showed show how limited the offense can be without an athletic QB. Defenses were well prepared in ’14. Especially with the QB getting no respect on the read option which allows McCoy to get stuffed as much as he did all year. It’s pretty clear at this point.
The thing is, its not like Kelly really did anything “new”. All defenses have seen these things before. Anyhow, the numbers he put up were also due to skill. You cant just put up numbers like that and say it was all scheme.
To the first point: How can you support that the success of the scheme was due to the “newness?” We ranked top 5 in offense both years.
As to McCoy’s struggles: he has always has trouble with going down in the backfield. The o-line didn’t help him at all either.
Because “offense has been figured out” narrative is more fun.
You don’t think there is any truth to that argument? I think there was against good teams (thinking SEA and SF) — that’s not to say that given better QB and better QB’ing we couldn’t have still put up points, but undoubtedly it wasn’t as easy as it was last year.
Part of it was DC’s have a read on the weaknesses of our players which i guess is different than the weakness of the “scheme”.
“Figured out” implies that it’s gimmicky. It’s not the wildcat formation, it’s a philosophically, and X’s and O’s sound offense.
What is our offense?
It’s a run game based on the inside and outside zone. Blocking schemes that have been run for a long time, and are still lynchpins of many offensive schemes in the league today.
Our passing game is a pro style west coast derivative. Also widely run across the league.
Packaged plays? That’s just a natural progression of the game. Your linebacker comes up to play the run, cool we throw it over his head to the TE on a seam route, he plays the TE, well now we just hand it to the running back. Succeed or fail, that will be one of Kelly’s legacies in the league as alot of teams are adapting packaged plays.
The heavy shotgun spread looks? Most teams spend more time in 3 wide, in the gun than under center in 21 personnel.
Everything else is just window dressing.
Does anyone make the argument “oh the Jets sucked because teams figured out their I-form ground and pound scheme?”
No, because at the end of the day it’s about execution.
If the league has our offense “figured out” why is it still the best defenses that give us fits?
Execution.
We had a MASH unit on the offensive line. An erratic young QB for half the season, and a backup for the other half.
I don’t care if you run the Wing-T, veer option, pro style I-form, Air Raid, Run n’ shoot, K-gun, Pistol, A-Wing, or A11. Under those circumstances your offense will struggle.
The “figured out” narrative is simply pushed by the media because they A) aren’t smart enough to effectively understand concepts B) do but explaining it to the masses would be too difficult or C) they don’t care, “Has Chip been figured out?!” pieces are clickbait, they drive traffic, and it’s all about the dolla dolla bills y’all.
Bravo!
No
Except the running QB is likely to be worse with the football and hurt more often. The running QB is likely to never learn how to throw the football properly in the NFL.
If we’re ditching Foles at some point, it had better not be for a Kaepertrash, Scam Newton, RGme, and/or Johnny Streetball type,.
Two ways of looking at Tra:
1. He hung around Chip, Shurmur, etc. and knows something we don’t.
2. He was a low level guy on the staff and is in the dark like the rest of us.
I tend to lean towards the second idea. His title was coaching intern. I was an intern for a company last summer and you better believe I didn’t have the faintest idea what was going on behind the corporate bigwigs’ closed doors. If so, it is kid of sad that he’s parroting the likes of Warren Sapp and Jamie Dukes.
3. He hung aroud Chip, Shurmur, etc., but is lacking any real intellect due to the “education” received at Florida State.
Re: Foles
One aspect of Foles’s problems this year that has been beaten to death is the OL’s problems. I think, however, that the specifics of the OL’s problems compounded problems. I argue that it is harder for Foles when the interior OL (guards and center) struggle than when OTs struggle. When an OT struggles, Foles can climb the pocket as long as the centers and guards are ok. This happened a lot in 2012. Without Kelce and Mathis at the same time, Foles could not climb the pocket and looked uncomfortable. Obviously he is not quick and is not great at rolling out of the pocket if interior pressure forces him to do so. I’m neither excusing Foles nor burning him at the stake. He isn’t, as of now, a QB that can put a team on his back when players all around him struggle. He isn’t Russell Wilson or Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers or even Ben Roethlisberger when it comes to improvisation. But he’s at least a competent passer who is clearly better than at least half of the starting QBs in the NFL. Given his smarts, he definitely could become even better than that. The risk of staying with Foles is much less than going with a random rookie or free agent. The rewards are almost always higher too.
There is a lot right i what you are saying, but the problem is that we have, in all likelihood, already seen the best season that Foles will ever have. If we see another season at say 80% of ’13 (projected over a full season) with a better D supporting him, then maybe we win a playoff game, but nothing more than that.
He’s a guy that MAYBE you can catch lightning in a bottle with if the rest of the team is playing great. I just don’t think he has the skill set to be as productive as he would need to be to thrive in the postseason.
I mean projected out for 16 games, Foles was 33tds/3ints. 80% of that is 27tds/2ints, so basically 2013. That production in his 2nd year in the NFL and first in Kelly’s offense…… I’ll take that production all day. Plus he fits the culture and is a likeable guy, I think you gotta find someone that is as close to sure fire as you can get to replace him.
I split the seasons as 15(’12,’14) and 13(’13). So the not so great performances in those seasons had slightly more weight than ’13, ~53.5% to 46.4%. Since they evened out to 28 games I set the projection to 14 games at ~75% of peak then expanded it to a 16 game projection. Then added 5% performance since I said 80% would be realistic.
It came out to ~27 TDs 10 INTs after rounding. That’s assuming 16 games played. At a more realistic, for Foles, 14 games. It looks like 24 TDs 9 INTs. With a run based offense, I think that either of those would be faiirly plausible for a good, but not outlier-like season where the ground game is clicking.
Also, if his Foles’ maximum potention is what we saw in 2013 then, awesome. He may never be able to reach that again, but it shows he has the ability to great. I don’t think Foles is your typical franchise qb but I think because Kelly is the coach, the birds are not a typical teams
Same goes for Brady. i don’t think he was your protypical QB when he was drafted, but worked his way towards being great.
Ultimately, what I’m saying is that build the team first and then worry about the QB. It may be the most important position but smart teams know how to mitigate that.
You’re exaggerating his downside. Foles led the Eagles on a game winning drive against the Saints. He left the field with the lead. Why can’t they go further if the defense improves?
He’s just not that good. That’s all. Adequate and capable when everything is running smoothly. Interception prone and erratic when it’s on his shoulders.
“But he’s at least a competent passer who is clearly better than at least half of the starting QBs in the NFL.”
GET EXCITED.
Lol, i like Foles but that was funny.
Yeah, you’re right. Let’s just go to the magical Hall of Fame QB tree and get us a clone of Tom Brady. Not everybody can have a star QB. The idea that you need one to win a Super Bowl is just absurd. Joe Flacco and Eli Manning are not even close to being star QBs, and neither of those guys even had an elite defense behind them in at least one Super Bowl they won (2007 Giants I will count as elite for the sake of argument, 2011 Giants I will not).
All three of those guys are also better players than Nick Foles….
If you wanted to throw Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson into the conversation, then maybe…
Eli and Flacco are not better than Foles. Eli might be one of the worst QBs in the NFL. And why do people think Foles won’t get better as he gets more experienced?
Yeah we’re gonna have to agree to disagree on that one.
All this worrying about Foles, Mariota, Hundley, etcetera. Doesn’t everyone realize the solution is already on the roster? Free G.J. Kinne!
hundley wont be an eagle. we wont have interest
[…] Hot Air? – Iggles BlitzThe offseason is a lot of fun, but one annoying part of it is all the crazy rumors and reports that pop up. The other day a local writer mentioned that the Eagles “may have interest in Jake Locker “. This feels like agent–speak 101. Agents love to leak “rumors” to writers to get their client’s names out in the media. And you never know if some other team will be fooled by this. “Chip Kelly likes Locker? Maybe we should give him a look.” I prefer to think NFL teams are smarter than that, but history shows there are some teams that aren’t so bright. […]
[…] Hot Air? – Iggles BlitzThe offseason is a lot of fun, but one annoying part of it is all the crazy rumors and reports that pop up. The other day a local writer mentioned that the Eagles “may have interest in Jake Locker “. This feels like agent–speak 101. Agents love to leak “rumors” to writers to get their client’s names out in the media. And you never know if some other team will be fooled by this. “Chip Kelly likes Locker? Maybe we should give him a look.” I prefer to think NFL teams are smarter than that, but history shows there are some teams that aren’t so bright. […]
[…] And as Tommy Lawlor notes, this is a guy who led the nation in sacks per game as a Senior at Louisville. Something makes me think not too many high school kids could do that. […]
RIP Dean Smith.
Does Anyone have the editor’s number of the Philadelphia Eagles 2015 calendar?!
January: Jeff frigging Maehl
February: Riley Pooper
What’s next for March?! Brad Smith???
Devin McCourty.
Man, he’d be on the cover for the 2016 version!
FA begins in March. They can go back and retroactively add him. If not, I’m rooting for Will Murphy.
Ha. Well played, sir. I’d prefer Brittany of the Murphys though.
friggin nervous. free agent is so crucial for us this year. Im a draft junkie and i dont even care about the draft this year because of the importance of free agency this year… you look to the draft for improvements that will go in effect 2,3 years down the road..Next years team is built in free agency, and next year is a crucial season where chip has to produce…its no longer year one and year two of the chip era, need to improve NOW, which makes free agency this year the most important time of chips NFL tenure so far…. in 4 weeks the market opens, and we find out what type of team we will have in 2015…
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if free agency ends and we had a haul like last year, where we sign Searcy(malcolm Jenkins) and Davon HOuse(Nolan Carrol) and then sign two special teamers, THATS NOT GOOD ENOUGH for year 3… we have big holes that need to be addressed and we dont have the luxury of waiting for a rookie
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i cant even get into the draft because of the importance of free agency this year, and we are only a month away from starting to get an idea about next years fate…
I’m glad your desperation now vmatches the rest of us.
no matter how much you like and believe in your coach its only fair to hold him to the same standards as everyone else… and normal standards are coaches should be taking you to playoffs and maybe even winning a game in year 3… as much as i believe in chip, he needs to be held to the same standards as anyone else
I heard Freddie Mitchel is making a guest appearance.
April is going to be Na Brown’s breakout month.
FREE AGENT TARGET!!!
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MUST STEAL THIS KID!!!
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Virgil Green – TE – Broncos
The Denver Post expects the Broncos to try to re-sign free agent TE Virgil Green.
If the Broncos accomplish this goal and can’t find money for Julius Thomas — a distinct possibility if they franchise tag Demaryius Thomas — Green could emerge as a 2015 fantasy sleeper. 26-year-old Green is a freak athletically, and a good enough blocker to function as a three-down tight end. Tight ends play a major role in new Denver coach Gary Kubiak’s offense.
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perfect chip kelly player to pair with Ertz, can replace Celek or Casey
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=6570&line=306688&spln=1
Why wouldn’t Denver just keep him and let Julius Thomas get overpaid by another team?
you would be ok letting Julius walk for our 3rd TE if this was the eagles we were talking about?
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i dont know about you, but letting that kid get away is playing with Fire… Id Rather keep both if thats the case, letting Julius walk takes some balls man
That could be the case or is Peyton the guy making the TEs that good everywhere he goes?
LOL
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ESPN Cleveland expects the NFL to “come down hard” on the Browns for embattled GM Ray Farmer allegedly texting in playcalls to the sidelines.
Characterizing this an “Offseason from Hell,” beat writer Tony Grossi expects the Browns to face some “combination of fines, suspensions or draft choices taken away.” Johnny Manziel is in rehab, Josh Gordon is already done for 2015, OC Kyle Shanahan essentially quit due to organizational dysfunction, and 2014 No. 8 overall pick Justin Gilbert already looks like a lost cause. And now the Browns may lose 2015 draft choices.
http://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nfl/football
Dion Jordan Lovers…. This is an important Domino that needs to fall for us to have any shot at trading for Dion…:
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Dolphins GM Dennis Hickey recently met with Mike Wallace.
The Miami Herald believes the meeting hints the Fins are “open-minded” about keeping Wallace despite his well-known personality conflict with the coaching staff. The Dolphins wouldn’t save enough salary cap space to make releasing Wallace worth it, one year after he led the team in touchdowns (10). Scoring TDs is pretty important, and Wallace does it.
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No way Miami eats the money to trade Dion if it also has to eat the money to cut Wallace… if they keep Wallace for this, trading Dion becomes much more possible than it would if they cut Wallace
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=5329&line=306683&spln=1
FREE AGENT Target… Top pass rushing option for Eagles:
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The Baltimore Sun expects free agent OLB Pernell McPhee likely to “become a very rich man this offseason.”
If so, compensatory-pick hoarder GM Ozzie Newsome will be a happy man. McPhee just turned 26 and is coming off a 7.5-sack season. McPhee can rush the passer from several different positions, but was a role player in Baltimore. It sounds like he’ll get paid full-time-player money by his next team.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=6671&line=306678&spln=1
haha wow
WIPE YOUR MOUTH, HOE
huh? the only comments i ever cut and paste are from roto… do you not see the quotes and the baltimore sun? who gives a shit about rotyoworld, it comes from the baltimore sun via rotoworld… and im sure most of the time you see “roto” after the quotes… if you thought i was trying to pass them along as mine you are just a fucking idiuot being a bitch for the sake of being a bitch… you know my thout=ghts are my own clown..
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i dont pass off baltimore sun quotes as my own you groupie bitch
5 bitches
2 idiots
2 morons
2 clowns
2 groupies (I’m not sure you understand what that word means)
and a fool.
That certainly seems like an appropriate reaction. Certainly no appearance of someone caught and trying to deflect attention in that response. Name calling and vulgarity, perfect.
Would it be so hard to preface your pastes with “From Rotoworld:”
important to not waste time on the free agents that will be retained by their current team… Trying to post quality options that fit us that actually have a chance at escaping the clutches of their current team and reach the open market like:
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1) Searcy has already told the bills he wont sign an extension and they already have his replacement in house so the Bills wont be putting up a fight. Searcy will play for a new team next year, why not us?
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2)Pernell McPhee going to be too rich for Ozzie Newsomes blood, he will play for a new team next year, perfect fit for our multi Front defense, he can replace BG and linbeup all over the place to rush the passer from a bunch of different spots…. for example, no point in talking about Justin Houston who KC wont let get away..
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3) Virgil Greene… Broncos have to sign Demaryious and Julius, also the other TE Tamme is a Free agent. Broncos probably dont want to lose Virgil but i think there is a good chance he turns down an extension and hits the open market/ perfect chip kelly player
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4) Davon House.. GB has 16 free agents, Two starting corners ahead of house, probably will have to let him walk… good chance he is on a new team next year and he is this years Nolan Carrol type, under rated corner whos best ball is still ahead of him
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not only do
Would you pay for Ngata if he gets cut by baltimore? Same question for Tamba Hali.
fuck yes! we have to pay thornton, he is a restricted Free agent, rather pay Ngata than Thornton..
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to be clear im not looking to actively replace thornton but if there is a chance at an upgrade ill take it… ngata, Logan, Cox is a freightening front
Yeah some guys are game changes for that line, especially since we rotate those guys. Plus Ngata is a savvy vet, championship experience. I could get behind loving our front 7 if we make a couple of improvemetns.
I thought he was older than 31 but apparently he still has a good 3-4 years left. Perfect for us, what a frightening, frightening line.
Barry Finke says…. “DO IT”… Finkle out!
exactly…. not actively looking to replace Thornton, im perfectly happy starting him the next few years, but if a special upgrade comes along that can transcend us to the next level, id love to jump on it… multiple times i heard chip talk about how rare guys like Ngata are so hard to find.. heres your chance/. go get him!
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get me Ngata and the two Kendrick boys will fly around like seek and destroy missles behind that line
Yes, that would be something else. Ngata would probably looking to go to a playoff level team also.
Haloti’s Ngata youngster. That would be a contrarian Eagle FO move, and an awesome one. Maybe the new GM (Kelly) can make room for just one more Duck?
Is Green a better blocker than Ertz? Kelly likes Casey for special teams play, and he’s not a slouch at blocking. I agree that he’s an expensive luxury as underused as he is, but Ertz is the F TE and you think Kelly will want another F? Also, your info on Searcy is encouraging. I’m still not convinced that Rex won’t sweet talk him into staying – with a hefty raise, of course. Everything I hear from the Rex Ryan lovers is defensive players love to play for him. Hope I’m wrong – he’d definitely be an upgrade.
In 4 years, Locker has thrown for less than 5000 yards. His career QB rating is 79; last year it was 71. Sanchez ‘s career rating of 74 is lower but on 3X the yardage. Also ,
Sanchez had a QBR of 88.4 last year. Donovan McNabb only topped that 4 of his 11 years in Philly.
history has shown – that a change of scenery can do wonders for a player. I’ve scene enough of Sanchez to know I don’t want him. I’d rather see a younger kid with potential over someone who’s already peaked.
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Nobody wanted Sanchez because of the “butt” fumble. Eagles took him and showed you can be successful regardless of someone’s past. Why wouldn’t we think they could help JL as well — regardless of his numbers in a terrible system?
If you think Sanchez was successful why don’t you want him?
He was who he always had been. A limited guy who can’t make big boy throws outside the numbers and who throws it to the wrong team way more than is healthy.
There’s a very short list of QBs who sucked out loud for years then switched teams and played at a high level. I very much doubt Jake Locker makes his way onto that list.
Comparing Sanchez to McNabb?? lol Small sample size there man.. How many games was that? McNabb in this scheme Eagles are contenders straight off the bat no doubt about it
I’m Sure Marcus needs to get stronger just like every rookie defensive player, but I’d like to know what high school Tra Thomas went to if this was your typical high school football players body.
I dont know what High School doesnt have guys this size? lol Its the norm these days.. Kids are lifting at an earlier age.. Its either in the genes or your training n eating hard.. Smith looks like hes got the build of a 17-19 year old
No way a normal 17-19 year old LB is that big. The top OLB in this recruiting class is 215 pounds coming out of high school
haha thats a typical weight man.. What you been looking at all this time toothpicks?? lol Here this pretty much says what i told you below with what he looks like
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/02/eagles_marcus_smith_answers_critics_has_a_chip_on.html
250 is big for an OLB in the NFL, its small for a DE, but big for an OLB. If he really is 265, he is one of the bigger OLBs in the NFL
He should be that weight lol Hes 6’3 n long.. He looks like he could get to 270 n still run n play smooth.. Seriously man nothing was wrong with what Tra said.. Just by first glance you could see what he was talking about.. There are kids coming out of High School hitting the field that parents are now getting their kids to play Soccer n Cricket coz they are too big.. Its just the norm these days lol
Also how is 250 the norm for an OLB when the best players in high school do not weight 250 if they are play LB?
Youre focused on the position.. Tra doesnt say he looks like a OLB High School athlete.. He just says High School athlete.. Hes 250lbs but does he look it? Does he look strong to you? Does he look like he lacks that thickness at his age?? Its a simple observation from Tra.. People saying he shouldnt say this or that lol I dunno what he said is wrong too be honest.. I read what he said n instantly oh true he does
How many high schoolers are 6’4 250 pounds? Only the top fraction of football players coming out of high school is that big.
Also what does High School athete really mean? Why not just say that he has the body of a QB instead of a pass rusher?
High School athlete to me just means a young under developed body still growing.. Nothing wrong with this is there? Would you rather be called you have the body of Tom Brady?? lol
Since Thomas was coaching Smith, maybe this was a motivational dig. Smith’s response,”…everything he said he’s told me before…” sounds like the comment was better understood by Smith than by listeners/readers.
the listeners all understand Tra meant no harm… the problem is the readers dont get it from the transcript
It’s not the norm. People that big and that built are still the 99.9th percentile. It’s not unheard of, but you’re talking about the 5 star All-Americans, not just the best two or three players at every high school.
Also my issue is there are ways for Tra to express his point that MSII needs to continue to get bigger and stronger (so does every rookie), but phrases like “high school athlete” aren’t throw away lines. It’s simple word association. He knew what he was saying was going to get picked up, and he would get called back to do every radio show in the tri-state.
haha yo D3FB.. I was 105Kgs coming out of High School turned Pro Rugby at the age of 19 n at 115 Kgs.. 120 my off season.. I was considered a freak then being the few.. Now looking at it now its become the norm here.. Gyms are opening up left right n center.. Kids wanna look good, lift heavy n smash people on the field… Seeing that Tongan kid get signed up.. People think damn man moving with that weight.. Its in the Islander genes its nothing new
We only use metric to weigh drugs here, mate.
haha 5gs of Creatine a day the good stuff;)
That’s the difference. Tra isn’t talking about Polynesian high schoolers. I graduated from high school in 09. My junior year our confrence had a DL who went to Vandy and an OL who went to Illinois. My own team had a DB for WVU and an ILB for Navy (Polamalu), none of them we’re completely shredded up in high school.
Oh mate you’re seriously over thinking n taken what Tra said the wrong way lol
Honestly i see no issue with what Tra said lol Fans will see it differently catch some feelings about it.. But man its a Pro sport.. Getting called to have a body of a High School athlete is easily fixed.. Just hit the off season hard! No moaning about it.. No big deal.. Stop catching feelings fellas sheesh lol
But what does high school athlete really mean? Why not just say he has the body of a QB?
I doubt that he fits that description at 265lbs. What is encouraging is he’s a great athlete who lacks sufficient power for OLB play, but he can and will get stronger. Don’t know if Smith is as good an athlete as Boykins, but he could turn out to be particularly effective at pass coverage AND rushing the passer, which is a rare combination.
athletically, Smith was the next best thing to Anthony Barr. If the Eagles covetted Barr, makes sense they were high on Marcus…. Most OLBs arent strong enough as rookies, its really a position you need to draft a year ahead of when you need them to produce because alot of them need to spend the first year getting stronger until they can make a mark at this level
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fortunately the important thing is a young plzyers limitations? things that cant be overcome no matter how hard you work at, fortunately strength doesnt fall in that column, and with his athleticism, long arms, size, hard work and good coaching should provide us a Quality well rounded OLB in our future
Maybe that was Tra’s size in HS.
The same school where Andy Reid went to:
This just proves what i just said about Smith lol
Smith said Saturday that that analysis of where his career currently stands isn’t anything new to him.
“What I’ll say is … Tra was right,” Smith said. “My body type has to change. I can’t look like a quarterback forever. That’s what I used to play. I’m still, during the season trying to look like that type. Right now I’m 265 [pounds], I’m really eating well, trying to maintain that weight … I’m running with that weight and I’m feeling really good right now.
“Everything that Tra has said, he’s already told me before. When he says that,It’s just the truth. I just have to get bigger and stronger and be productive at that weight so the coaches can be impressed.
I think Smith hits the point here, its not his weight, but how it is distributed that is the problem
Yeah the thing is people are focused on the weight how much he weighs.. Personal trainers will tell you your weight on the scale shouldnt be the indicator of what you look like or how strong you are.. Tra said he looks like he has a body of a High School athlete.. This is the main part i see nothing wrong with what he said.. If you lift, played semi or pro sport you can tell just by looking at their body, muscle how much it has been worked on, grown, adapted, matured.. Hippy workouts arent gonna make you grow man. Working out like a QB aint gonna make you strong like an Pro LB.. It is what it is.. Tra sees it n Smith knows it.. Hit the Gym rookie gainz are waiting for you!
So it really wasn’t a parting shot. At least the way I’m reading this, even after no longer being part of the Eagles organization, Tra still wanted to provide some motivation for MS2.
Exactly bro! lol I dont see it that way either.. Man if you cant take advice, criticism from your friends, coaches or someone of that sort.. Then you must have your head on strong n either know yourself that there needs to be improvement or you think you have no flaws.. Motivation thats what i read from it.. Not bringing him down
He has MSII’s phone number. Call him. Text him. Invite him to come do some training. Let him know you’re there to be a sounding board. Don’t criticize him publicly.
haha man you think this is bad?? Check out those fat boy classes they tell the class how much you lost or gained.. Its a motivation tool.. Some might think oh thats harsh telling everyone.. But those big people know what they signed up for.. The hard truth on why they are big n the need the goal to lose it.. Smith is a Pro now he gonna get criticism from all angles.. Tra could of texted, talked to him.. Maybe hes already told him something similar during training.. You thinking this is bad what do you think of the fans calling him a bust or whatever.. Who is Smith gonna listen to n take advice from.. The Fans or Tra?
I hate to belabor the point, but there’s an old saying: “Praise in public, punish in private.” What people are trying to tell you is that it’s okay for a coach to call you out in practice or in the film room or in the locker room, but it’s not okay to make the identical comment through the press.
Yeah i can understand that saying.. Like the second paragraph says Smith already knew this as Tra has already said things similar to him before.. Hes not praising him n hes definitely aint punishing him
techincally you arent wrong, but society has become a bunch of pussies, and this is the world we live in… we will blow anything out of proportion, soft society busy giving out 7th place trophies lol
I was thinking of the word soft.. But bunch of pussies will do lol
basically…. wish our entire society had to spend a month in a russian prison. its embarressing how soft we have beconme since like the 90s which isnt even long ago. lol we tell people they cant smoke outdoors.. as if with this Giant atmosphere someones cigarrette smoke is going to head directly for a non smokers lungs, like give me a break
Different motivation tactics work for different people. Some people respond well to a public challenge. Others don’t. It sounds like MS2 is taking it well. And, really, in a way, as part of “the public”, it makes me feel a little better about MS2, because it seems like it is most likely a fixable problem.
I mean you can’t be afraid of the truth. I’m sure OL look at him and aren’t intimidated..
MSII agreed and took it in stride, he was like Tra told me throughout the season, he can’t look like a QB forever.
Tre really never took a shot at him. when you hear him say it there was no malice at all in his interview,… i dont see how anyone that Heard Tre make those comments can think he was maliciously taking shots at MS2… Tho I understand why it can seem that way from the transcript